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Don't Trash Police Officers
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Police officers make mistakes but do enough Americans acknowledge how challenging it is to be a cop?
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Perceptions and Challenges in Policing
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Some of us can't even put a shopping cart away, but we feel entitled to bitch about the job police officers are doing? Unless you're coming straight from the underground, NWA style, you should have little to say about police officers.
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If you're not black or brown, you should love the po-po. Because for you, when shit goes down anywhere in this country, the police show up to handle it. police officers show up to that sketchy apartment to remove a physically abused one-year-old.
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They get to witness severe bruising, burn marks, and broken limbs on that one-year-old baby. And then, when the drunk abuser shows up at the apartment, they get the job of staying calm while handcuffing the psycho.
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Police officers show up to secure an area where gunshots are fired, and they get the joy of witnessing a 14-year-old gunshot victim bleed out. The police absorb these kinds of traumatic events into their psyche every week.
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Even an innocuous traffic stop can lead to something unexpected and crazy. I'm cool if white people have one-off gripes about dickhead cops. There are some dick cops.
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In fact, one such cop gave me a ticket for driving under the influence of drugs before he confirmed the results of my urine test. I told him I didn't do drugs. But because I wrecked my car and there happened to be a guitar and an amplifier in the back seat, he must have thought, hmm, this guy has to be on drugs.
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So when my urine test came back negative, I had a very bad ticket to lawyer out of. But I've also had a cop give me a warning after I threw a high school party in a hotel room.
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Lots of liquor, but no ticket whatsoever. In college, I had a cop take me to a detox facility after he found me sleeping in the back of my car. And after I was completely sober, he drove me 40 minutes back to my car.
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Ten years ago, I had a cop pull me over with my young kids in the back seat, and perhaps feeling empathy for a stressed-out parent, he let me off without a ticket. Man, I sound like a loser.
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But my point is cops are regular people, and even though I had a really bad experience with one cop, I refused to disparage them all. Why do a lot of honkies have something to say about police officers?
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What's up with these crackers? The system is working for them. Let's discuss on the I'm a Piece of Shit podcast.
Personal Experiences and Encounters with Police
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These motherfuckers crazy.
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Don and Judy's son. Did you ever think 20, 30 years later, you'd be getting an email invite with the title Cunt Face?
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I knew it, bro.
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I felt it, dude. I knew I could go the other side of the fucking earth. You'd follow me.
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You'd follow me with you with your odd use of the English english language. Mm-hmm. I, were you dropping, you using that kind of language? My last name in high school that that I don't remember.
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I called you cunty. Yeah. All the time.
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I remember something a ah British guy would do. I don't know if you went to, yeah, they, you they throw that word around a lot. I think they do. They do it well. Did I, did I have any stupid names for you?
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You just embellished Los Angeles and stuff like that.
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Did we ever get busted together by by cops for anything? you remember? yeah any i don't I don't think we did, dude. I think there were times where we were carrying liquor.
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open containers, what they call them, underage, and and we would like throw it if we saw a cop ride by. high school or college? College. Walk around Boulder, maybe, or Greeley. Yeah, not college.
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Or not high school. I mean, we did have a few 40s here and there, but in high school. We would think we did it all the time, but I could probably count on one hand. Nah. i mean Yeah.
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Why this don't? We never got, never i don't think we ever got busted high school. Like cops show up. Yeah, but when you think about the actual number of times we drank, it it wasn't that much.
00:04:54
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I mean, just you and I specifically. You by yourself was every night. I was getting it done, dude. No, dude, I don't. Well, you had you had other commitments too, dude.
00:05:06
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I didn't have any other commitments except myself, bro. Well, didn't you date that one girl all senior year? was like the whole- No, that was like the end of, that was like McKenzie talking about?
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Yeah. mean, that was a long time here together though, right? Yeah, but we went to prom and then we were together after that almost until the end of my college career.
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Really? Long distance. Oh, my God. What a joke. Sorry. I don't mean to make light of your you love life, dude. but it wasn't It was a joke. yeah Where was she?
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she moved as her parents moved to San Antonio. so Yeah, so so that but that happened. shit i don't remember when. Sometime, we're I think we were in college already, but our parents moved.
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Okay. And did she ever get busted by the cops? Was she a good girl?
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You don't know? I not she i don't know if she was a good girl, but she she i don't I don't think so. Okay. Maybe before she met me. hanging out with ah Hanging out with a rough crew before she started hanging out with me.
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Oh, right. she was Yeah, I do remember that about her. But right after you guys broke up, wasn't that when you got your DUI? It was close. Well, I don't know about right after. At that night or anything.
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I mean, that was no, no. That was, a I mean, when we break, I don't know remember when we broke up, but it was warm. I know that. And then I moved up to the mountains. I moved up to Bayou. And then I got a DUI and it was December 6th, 1998, I got my DUI.
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And then, yeah, so it was the same year. And how did that go down? Like, what were where were the cops like? Uh, it was funny, dude, cause I, I wasn't, uh, I wasn't even drunk. No, I was, it it wasn't like a, it wasn't even a late night. Like it was, and was working at ski shop, partying with some, some, like, it was kind of like get to know everybody because we had all just started working there. Cause it was you know, right after Thanksgiving.
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And then, uh, so we hit it hard, like Opry ski, but not like fucking crazy, but we're like yeah hammering pictures up in Beaver Creek at, uh, You know what's funny about Beaver Creek? Everything's like
Racial Profiling and Community Reflections
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a ah play on beaver.
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So it's like that liquor store is called Beaver Liquors. And what's this place? Beaver Ritos? don't remember. Hey, but that place looks like Austria, dude. It's um it's pretty amazing now. like they It wasn't a dump when I was there.
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Wasn't? who was still super nice? Oh, yeah. I felt like it looks like they just remodeled the entire resort. They do that. It seems like they, well, Vale, they ripped out like all lion's head. It's unrecognizable, like the the lion's head side of it from when I was up there. but Anyway, so yeah, so we're up at that place, something margaritas or beaveritas or something.
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And then I drove back to my house. I was going to get something, probably maybe some weed. don't remember. but and So it was like we're talking about like 7 o'clock at night or something like that. And I was with this other dude named Matt. And we're driving back to another person's house to like hang out.
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And I don't know why. i don't remember why, but I got pulled over. And they were kind of like, you've been drinking? And I was just like, yeah. And then I find then i spent like a lot of time in jail. It's actually same jail where I think Kobe Bryant went to for for his ah his issues that had in Colorado.
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Kobe seems to get a free pass, by the way. It's like as is being this great dude. Remember all that shit in Colorado? No, he's got a he's got a pretty mixed bag of ah of a record.
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I mean, he was accused of rape, which he might not have raped the girl. was like entrapment, but he was still like, he clearly had sex. He was married and had sex with this girl and a at a hotel. and Anyways.
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Sure. But this is not about Kobe. No, this is about Matt Cunty. I remember too, we had a pipe and it was it was the other dude's pipe and the guy, he he pulled me over around a bridge and he fucking threw the pipe into the, he just threw the pipe into the river.
00:09:24
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I probably still owe that guy a pipe. I probably made some promises out there on that bridge that I haven't. so So then he took me to like Avon ah place, did a breathalyzer. I think I blew like a 1.4 maybe or something like that.
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Now where is that on the spectrum of drunkenness? Not like crazy drunk, but past the limit. I don't even know. i haven't looked at it so long. I think it might be one. You got to go over one or 0.98. Isn't that like levels? There's like a DWI, DUI or something like that. I don't know.
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But I got the full D. I mean, I've heard plenty of stories of people getting way more than blowing 1.4. But, but I did that. And then they then they have ah they don't have a holding cell in Avon. So to drive your ass out the Eagle, which is where the the Kobe thing happened.
00:10:14
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But like so so that's like 30 miles. So you go out there in a cop car and then I sat in a holding cell for for fucking ever. Like I think now in hindsight, maybe they're just trying to send me a message like, hey, don't drink and drive to sober you up or.
00:10:28
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No, I don't know. They kept bullshitting me about that ah the guy who releases out on an accident or... Well, how long? Like, I mean, I got in there probably eight o'clock and nine o'clock at night and I ended up, I had to, I ended up, I couldn't get out there.
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My dad, they just waited till somebody came and posted, posted bail. Like they could have let me out. I've heard tons of stories where in the morning, they just let you go and then you go back to court and whatever, lose your license. But they kept me there. I was probably there till like seven o'clock the next day, almost like 24 It was me, two Mexican dudes, didn't speak any English, and this fucking dude who robbed a liquor store. like He worked at a liquor store, he robbed it, and then he took a bus to Vegas and blew it all in strippers and had like a wild weekend and then turned himself in.
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In Eagle County, he was like, put yourself on a bus and come back here. So he did. And good for him. Yeah. So funny, dude. He's like, man, I like these people, but I just saw I had to control the safety, ah whatever the, what do you call it?
00:11:29
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Like the safe every night or safety deposit box. Couldn't resist. Couldn't resist. And that's another funny thing when you're in jail. Like, hey, we should, we should keep in touch after. and then you're all like, yeah, man, this guy's my bro. Then afterwards you're like, yeah.
00:11:43
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Maybe not. Maybe we'll let that relationship go away. Mexican dudes I didn't keep in touch with either, believe it or not. My Spanish wasn't so proficient back then. but They didn't give a fuck either. They they were just like fine. I was like nervous breakdown. cause After a while, I was like, I think they're fucking with me. i think they're going to leave me in here forever.
00:12:03
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Yeah. But you were scared. You're young still. You're probably what? 19? 18? I was 21. twenty one No. 1998. Oh, wait. 90. 98. I was right before I was turned 22. So I was still 21.
00:12:14
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Yeah, i didn't get it. It wasn't a minor. It was just a straight up DUI. And what was your impression of cops after that? Because it sounds like they left you in there unnecessarily. I mean, I was pretty pissed. i thought I was like, fuck these guys. I just thought they they were fucking with me. and But...
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I don't know if that really, like, in high, like, now that has no no no effect on my view of cops. I think for the next few years, I was kind of, because I don't know if you remember this about me, but du I would, like, never drive drunk. It seemed like everybody used to drive drunk when they were young.
00:12:48
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i would like Even my most clean-cut friends that went on to be professionals would would drive a lot, many more. like The circumstance, they'd always just want to drive home. I never did that. So I always had some chip on my shoulder like, fuck, never drive drunk. and One apres ski, and I'm the one with the DUI.
00:13:06
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Well, it's I was shocked, dude. I was shocked because I and they knew that about you. Your parents educated you well, and you... We're always pretty conservative with that.
00:13:17
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That's interesting. Not the drinking part. Not the driving. Yeah. Wow. So you're you that didn't color you. Maybe for a couple years, it colored your impression of cops. I mean, I would say now, it's hard to say now I'm so fucking old, but like, I think it did.
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But I never, like, that's kind of the interesting thing. I mean, not to dive right into race, but I think it's kind of funny when you hear like other races that have ah like a skepticism of cops. It's like, I have to remind them, hey, we all do.
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We all did. When you're like a kid. you're always like oh here come the cops fucking you know like i always had a skeptic like I was always skeptic of the cops. I wasn't i wasn't necessarily like looking at the cops like, oh, they're pillars of our community. Unnecessary. I'd be like, they're here to fuck with us.
00:13:58
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That's like, that's your feeling about cops. But when you're a kid, like a teenager, I think. Yeah. Well, cause you're doing stuff that you don't want to get caught, but like as a, a white hetero cisgender male, this is 98 bro.
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No, but seriously, like the stakes, you would admit, you would admit the stakes are not as high for you for, for, you know, getting caught doing something bad relative to African-American.
00:14:26
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Would you admit that or no? ah Yeah. Well, I mean, it's hard for me to say, but the data shows that yes, but I can't say that I've been in the shoes of of having been treated.
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I don't feel like I've been treated a certain way by cops because of the way I look at my race. So um if other people say they have, then that's more than I more more than i have. So I would say yes. Know what I mean?
00:14:50
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Yeah, for sure. but i But I feel like I've been fucked with by cops like a little bit, but not like nothing bad, but just kind of like like Like the cops in the U.S. have... Oh, by the way, I would like to say we we've recorded earlier. My internet fucking sucked.
00:15:06
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And I feel like um I feel different about this now over the last eight hours. This conversation? Yeah. Oh, wow. Isn't that weird? okay Do you?
00:15:18
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I mean, anytime you have have a little more time to think about it. But ah yeah, go ahead, man. Well, I just think that for any race, yeah it doesn't even matter. I hate to put things in.
00:15:30
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i agree with you, but I hate to put things in race. It's like bad behavior is just bad behavior on either side of it. And I think we... We have like ah just a general respect for cops and they and they in the US. You kind of think, oh, that's an authority person that could fuck with you. And so you come at it that way. Not like it always in a positive way, but you're like, oh, that's a that's somebody that could could fuck ah good fuck with me.
00:15:55
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Whether it's like just regular traffic shit or actual... yeah coming to break up your party. I mean, the but the reality, I think here's what the difference is. The reality for white people is the only time you actually deal with cops in your whole life is between the ages like 15 and 22. You're doing stupid shit.
00:16:12
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And then the rest of it's just maybe like an emergency situation when your grandparents are dying or something like that. And we don't have that middle, that ground. Like there it's like not an issue in my life where maybe, maybe a black person my age might be like, it's always a fucking issue for us.
00:16:29
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Which, that's the same. I don't have that experience. But I do have the experience like, fuck these people and feel like you're but you're getting a little harassed, but only in my youth, you know? Yeah, I totally agree with that. I agree. And i we'd have to have a... bounce back there, dude. I bounce back. You'd have to have a black person on here to talk about the fear they hold or maintain on a day-to-day basis, thinking about what could happen with a cop.
00:16:50
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So we don't know anything about that. And that's kind of my point with this initial intro was, like, white people... really should shut the fuck up about how bad the police are. Because the job at hand, I just think about the guy that pulled me over.
00:17:05
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Well, it didn't pull me over. I got i had a ah terrible car, as you might recall. It like was really trippy on the axles, and it rocked. That escort station right in there? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and it fucked me many times.
00:17:18
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But i I pulled it hard because i was kind of not I was wiping my window and not paying attention to something. I pulled it a little too hard on a curve, and it just started rocking like a boat in the sea, and then it just sent me down this ditch, and and then the car rolled.
00:17:32
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Totally fine. I was totally fine. Seatbelt? Oh, yeah. But it was like a clean roll. And I just sort of laughed about it. Right. And then but I had my guitar and my amp. I was coming back from Boulder, probably your house for from practice.
00:17:46
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But I was in shock, dude. And the cop was asking me all these questions. And he just said, you have to be on you're on drugs. So he wrote me a ticket for driving under the influence of drugs. And he wrote it before my urine urine test was processed.
Societal Roles and Necessity of Police
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And I'm like, okay, nobody does that, right? There's no but there's no way to test for it. So I got this ticket and my test came back negative and I still had to get a lawyer and fucking battle this ticket.
00:18:19
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So that was, that like colored my opinion of cops for probably five, six years to the extent that I was on jury duty. And I had mentioned that and they immediately let me go. i might use it again if I ever get called back.
00:18:32
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Jury duty. Yeah. So sometimes things like that happen. But as I said in the intro, dude, there were multiple incidents where I got off. Like I got off doing stupid stuff as a kid.
00:18:44
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And, uh, the job itself like to interact with me in that moment well i would have been suspicious i would have thought i was suspicious because i was like really out it out of it he asked me to like count to 10 backwards and i probably took I count to 10 backwards, like, in you know, one 1,000, and I probably took 40 seconds.
00:19:03
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After you just rolled your fucking car, though, right? Yeah, but this was after he took me back to the police station. But if you're, you know, you're in a twenty you're in your early 20s, and you you're just kind of scared. And he wasn't a comforting individual. like But anyway, I was pissed at that guy. and But I did realize, like, for the most part, throughout my life, and I've never thought about it. Just like you said, never. Never.
00:19:28
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But that's the, you know, you can make the leap there from what a lot of people are facing and and what you see on the news about like police brutality. That guy came into that situation with like a preconceived notion that you're some idiot kid.
00:19:42
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with your amp, you're coming out of Boulder and you probably were fucking smoking weed and doing stupid shit. And he already had it set in his head just the way a cop might do racial profiling and be like, had an experience that fucked him up and then might be like, well, you're up to no good.
00:19:57
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And so you actually went through that. and But the beauty the beauty of being white, a white male, so many so many great things, right? But is that after like you're young, it pretty much goes away.
00:20:09
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or it doesn't go away for, for of these other groups. Right. Right. Like you're not going to get, they're not going to, sorry, but they're not going now if you got pulled over the guy's not like you're a drug addict. They're just like, yeah, you pathetic old fuck.
00:20:23
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Yeah. Yeah. No. And in the path, the, the pathway for talking about or discussing police brutality against minorities. i mean, that's a long and windy path that, um,
00:20:37
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I don't want to talk about, but I do want to talk about the other side of it, which is the crying, bleeding heart night person. you know, we can do a little bit about that, but the job itself is not well respected. And so what I would have come to understand is like, of course, as a cop, you are going to show up there to any incident or anything that's out of whack with a chip on your shoulder. Like you are there to assess the situation, manage the situation, but also protect yourself every time you're there to protect yourself. So like, of course, you're going to be a little chippy.
00:21:13
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Like if you ever been pushed to where somebody wanted to fight you, it's not a And the cop deals of that like five times a day. a Like even a traffic violation is a recipe for disaster.
00:21:26
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It's a heightened level of emotion. It's constant. And so it's a terrible job. And for us not to respect it, it's kind of like the teacher argument. It's a terrible job, I think. mean People might love it, but like it's a terrible fucking job. So to not respect it to me is its pretty sad, especially if you're white because the goddamn system works for you.
00:21:44
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I think, um again, not to not to make excuses that we already recorded some of this, but I think we didn't we talked about this this morning. like I think we could start with, like is the world, are we a better or worse society because we have police? And would you rather not have them at all?
00:22:02
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And I have a hard time believing that even people that have been victims of sort of police brutality, people that i like have their clear, clear, you know, they're thinking clearly, we'd be like, yeah, we'd be better off if we had no, no police force.
00:22:17
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Really? You think we're better off, we'd be better off without police? Hell no. I think that's what I'm saying. No, God, if in some of these liberals that were, ah I'm going to just point the finger back at myself because there was a moment there when you saw,
00:22:32
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The dude appeared to be like suffocating George Floyd, where the anger like it rolled over for me is like, what the fuck's happening here? This is crazy. And there were several other cases previously. I can't remember them all because I'm white.
00:22:47
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Trayvon. Yeah, Trayvon was one. But there's some. There's a guy in St. Louis, Brown, Mike Brown, I think, or something like that. Yeah. But there was some serious anger on my part to where I was sort of like, yeah, burn it all down, fuck that.
00:23:01
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I came to my senses pretty quickly. But what I would like to see if I could be idealistic is ah the demographics of the cops reflect the neighborhoods or the beats that they work.
00:23:12
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and And not not perfectly. you know If you could get that, because it is a community job, it's a community service job. And I think that that that would be a good thing. I know that's not possible, but it could could we could do a better job there. Why not? Why not possible?
00:23:27
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I mean, I think you have to have the demand for the job, one. And then I think the system itself has to promote. I think there's been some cities that have done that, but widespread, I'm not so sure. And I don't know, man. i don't It's such a complex arena.
00:23:42
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It's like trying to come up with education policy. But yeah, I would say you need them. You need them for society to function. you need ah um It's essentially a mediator when human emotions ah skyrocket and go to places that...
00:23:57
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you know, we can't resolve ourselves without violence. I just want, yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I'm asking. Like, if you didn't have cops, I mean, everybody, pride like, on one side, everyone's like, yeah, be better with without cops. Why even even have them?
00:24:09
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But then it's like, by saying, yeah, we need cops, you're you're almost, ah it's almost like a vote against humanity where like, yeah, we just can't handle it ourselves, you know? But it's like, what a What happens if if the if there was, sure this has happened some cities, it's like a police strike and there's no police force.
00:24:28
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What happens? Is is like it like immediately falls into anarchy or like nothing? Nothing happens. Or all the all the you know people, i don't know, domestic abusers and criminals and drug and drug dealers are just like, party, let's go.
00:24:42
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like i don't It's like you said, these are a lot of what happens are just like acts of emotion or acts of poverty. And the the policing actually doesn't – like i don't I don't know if the prison system actually deters people from doing a crime.
00:24:56
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And so I wonder if a police force actually stops people. I think – which is kind of sad, you know, because I agree that we need them, but it's also like ah clearly there's police and people aren't like, I'm going to stop doing stuff because there's a force.
00:25:08
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so it's ah I think it's the approach maybe that – is so adversarial. And it's even that way from a traffic perspective. It's just, and and I think a lot of people would want to get rid of traffic cops.
00:25:23
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I don't know what the police force is like in parts of Europe, but I think in some places there's no speed limit, but I don't know what the, how they monitor roads or whatever. But I think some of us would like to get rid of that until you see a teenager drive and they're like, get those motherfuckers out here.
00:25:38
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I got a ticket in Switzerland. I got i got home, like actually a couple, don't even know how the fuck they found me, but i got I got like a letter from the local municipality and it was like a photo radar or something like that.
00:25:50
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It wasn't a cop, but they were nice as nice as hell. Okay. like I saw also william in France some pretty badass policemen walking around. They look like some sort of fucking SWAT team, big ass dudes. And I'm like, wonder know what the hell they're doing. was just like in a public tourist place.
00:26:06
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but So in a utopian society where there was income inequality and widespread success and people took care of each other, you we wouldn't need police.
00:26:17
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And perhaps Portland, Oregon thought that that's what their city was. And then, of course, like the protesters took over police stations and burnt shit down and went nuts and... so So you need apples, huh?
00:26:27
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A few. Yeah. Which you need. I think you need that again, that mediator and somebody to come in and step in. So now, dude, fuck no. Got to have it. I think so. Okay.
00:26:38
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So we need police. And then what we, what we need. i mean, I was trying to think, i know, i know I can, i have like some sort of faded memory of like meeting firemen when I'm in elementary school and then being propped up as like great people. and they got the cool truck and everything.
00:26:54
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they're all ripped with abs and shit. But like I'm trying like there obviously should be some sort of police community outreach programs, not not just that, like when a kid's five, but like some sort of all the way through like the education system.
00:27:10
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It should be like, hey, we're here to help. You know, like, I don't know if there's enough positive energy around what the cops are actually there for. So when you get to know a cop, everything you, you know, all through entertainment or everything else, especially in some communities where it's just like, I mean, it's literally songs called Fuck the Police.
00:27:28
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kit people have ah healthy or unhealthy skepticism of the cop and they never met one. They never had a bad experience. They just know that other people have and they should be yeah weary of them. And then that causes them to act like in a way where you're like, I'm not, you know, I would tell my kids like never fucking resist arrest if I cut in the U S and you won't have too many problems.
00:27:47
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yeah Yeah.
Community Dynamics and Police Interactions
00:27:48
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Cops like, Hey, stop that. Don't go there. You assume the cop's an idiot and thinks, since my kids are half Costa Rican, that they're Mexican. Right. Right. You just assume that he thinks that south of Texas, Mexico. So if they're like, hey, Mexican kids.
00:28:05
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I'm just kidding. just made it anti-cop. but But yeah, you would that's like, I mean, certain things people should know and they won't have any problems.
00:28:16
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Maybe, maybe, maybe, dude. I mean, just cops are on edge. I mean, look what they have to deal with. Like if you want to compare them to firemen, I mean, they're just constantly in the shit.
00:28:27
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And the the firemen come, they deal with obviously paramedic stuff that's kind of grotesque. Nasty stuff from what we heard. Gross, but they're not. Not necessarily like acts of violence. Yeah. Yeah. They're not in the middle of conflict or resolving conflict or trying to investigate conflict all the time.
00:28:46
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And it's just, there's no way to like enjoy that, which is why like who wants to be a fucking cop? Like what personality? that's ah That's an interesting person. I'm thankful for him, but Jesus.
00:28:57
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But that's the way you might get some of the – I mean, to me, it's like who wants to be a referee, where a lot of times the referee is ah is the prick that everyone's yelling at him because it's like who wanted to do who wanted to do that? must be some kind of – I don't know. It's like a a weird thing. No, right. i wouldn' but But what's the number one TV show?
00:29:17
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I mean, it really – don't you think cop shows like are up there in terms of – how many and how long they've been on air. And so like people have been exposed to these, this profession in a glorified way, but they've been exposed to it. It's still amazing to me that so many people are like,
00:29:34
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hey Well, let's do let's do this because I think I know my answer is so your your son or daughter come home. They're like, hey, dad, i and I'm joining the academy. Are you like, no, no, don't do it. Are you like, I'm so proud of you, man. You're going to be a pillar in in society.
00:29:49
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i mean, I know I'd be like, cool, man. if you If you have any other things you like, consider that too, because ah that's a tough life. I don't know if I'd be like, fuck the cops, but I might be like, dude, that's a really hard life you're getting into.
00:30:02
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There'd be that, but I'd also... i could treat it with a level of respect if the population and respected cops. So it's, as a profession, not unlike teaching, but even worse, cops are looked at as just these adversarial racist pricks.
00:30:23
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And that's obviously not fair, and that's why this episode is ah airing. But like... Yeah, I just, it would be tough. I'd say, look, man, a lot of people are going to hate you just because you wear that badge and that uniform.
00:30:36
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And, uh, and the job itself because of that is going to be worse. Yeah. But you, would you would, I mean, I guess you're a type parent that probably let your kid make their own decisions for the most part, but you wouldn't strongly try to be like, that's, you should rethink that decision.
00:30:52
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a might say fireman but i mean fireman it's just it's a different type of trauma but uh i don't know man yeah it's a good question what would you say if it was my daughter i'd be like go for it that's cool that's even more interesting though though like when when i don't know why females this make the decision they're gonna be cops We have several in Littleton.
00:31:18
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Because Littleton's like a small police force. Yeah. It's probably good, right? For the community? Like a female cop? Yeah. Yeah, and i don't we don't know anything about the job itself. like Maybe it is more community-based than we think, but I'm sure they're just dealing. A lot of it's like, depending upon your level, you know you're going to get the homeless guy off the bridge and you're doing shit like that all the time. You're going to resolve a neighbor dispute or some mentally ill neighbor that is acting out. um
00:31:49
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Stuff that happens over and over again or people calling for dumb things. There's a Mexican in my driveway. He's turning turning around, and I just don't think he might be here to rob me because he's brown. I saw it on i saw it on Hannity.
00:32:09
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that Yeah, I mean, i just... it's a weird It's a weird decision, but it could be good. But but like that's one thing. i I don't know exactly where you got... like if there's I would imagine it's kind of a cross cut of demographics where you live.
00:32:24
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There's probably some areas that aren't like super amazing. Like yeah those... Right. Maybe some Hispanic communities or something like that down there. Yeah. There's some that, and you can't characterize them all as low income do. That's something that dumb white people do like you.
00:32:42
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Ha. Uh, no, but there's some people that that have been here for years and are generations and they're doing great. And then there's definitely some early immigrants up near Broadway, bro, that are but not doing so good. I'm saying like the, uh,
00:32:57
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those those cops that are in your area that seem like they got the pretty good cop job is there parts of their jurisdiction that might be like cause a little more action i don't care what they are because that's one thing to be the cop in littleton but can you imagine being a cop in like a harder ass neighborhood where there's a lot of violence and a lot of crime and crack and drug it's like that's really where you're like who's who wants to do that I know.
00:33:25
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I met some people that are in law enforcement and cool dudes. Okay, so one guy, these are both, a lot of people that live up in the mountains are in law enforcement because they try to get away.
00:33:36
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ah So this one guy did drug stuff, big time drug stuff. Like stay out of their jurisdiction when they're off, you mean? So they live up in like conifers and shit like that? It's just more to get away from chaos, I think, to to decompress.
00:33:50
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But yeah, he was a cool dude, but you he saw and dealt with some crazy stuff. And then my other friend- talked about it? Huh? Did he talk about it? Yeah. I mean, he talked about different drug busts and like crazy stuff.
00:34:04
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Not in detail, right? um But then this other federal, this other guy is a fed, but he had done some, like he investigated sex crimes for couple years and, you know, just not great things to like recover from.
00:34:20
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And he's like, that was horrible. So like these guys do these jobs and these guys were cool dudes, but don't know wants to do that, man. Yeah, necessary, huh? What was I saying? I forgot why I got there.
00:34:34
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Did you ask me a question? and We started, I was kind of kidding. I was like, my daughter wanted to be a cop. would be cool. And you said that couple of females in your area. And then I was asking if there's low-income parts of jurisdiction. And then you said that I'm racist against Hispanics.
00:34:51
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Oh, okay. But I got a question for you related to that. And it speaks to what a cop might feel like when they're, what do you say, out of their comfort zone.
00:35:03
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So you're walking down the street and maybe this has happened to you. Have you ever walked across the street and there's like a group of young black dudes coming down? Yeah. Like every day for five or six years. All right.
00:35:16
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So when you first, when, before you were used to it, did you think twice? Cross the street. Did you think twice about? Pick up the pace a little bit. What was happening?
00:35:28
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What could happen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Of course. What about Latino? Like a group of young... Dressed up like jellos and shit. Well, that'd be different. But like just, you know, just the... Did you think twice about what could happen?
00:35:45
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Dude, I have... This is going sound like I think I'm so great, but it's been... It's been like so long since like race is like an issue. i I can't really remember.
00:35:57
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maybe Yeah, maybe. I don't know. like i haven't been I can't remember a situation where i'm like where I feel like there's been a group of Hispanic people where like, oh, this could be a problem.
00:36:08
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Well, sure, not in Costa Rica. No, no, but in the U.S. either, even in Denver. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I spent so much time actually, like, getting to know the mostly Mexican but Hispanic community in Denver because my wife was an ESL teacher, so we met a lot of people there.
00:36:25
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She also did social work up in, like, Adams County. So we'd meet all these people and hang out with them and then working in a restaurant if you become friends with all these Mexican people. Right. And they work hard, right, Matt?
00:36:37
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The Mexicans, they work hard, don't they, Matt? They work hard, yeah. They're real hard workers, Matt. Real hard workers. So, but I will say, like, well, this is not what I think we should finish what you're saying. not what asking me, but like, the street that I lived on,
00:36:55
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the you know, was a neighborhood transition in St. Louis. We had actually my friend, my good friend who bought my house. You know, if we was walking by the same, he's he's from Kenya. He's a real, he's African. I don't even know he's African-American.
00:37:09
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He's African. Now he's African-American. Black dude. he was If he was walking by the same group of black people, I was like, oh fuck, like dudes drinking 40s on that. I'm sure he'd be like, yeah, I'm going to go on the other side of the street too.
00:37:21
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Yeah, because they could peg him for an African. Well, no, just because the scene looked a little sketchy. I get you. I get you. But I'm not i'm just talking about it. Yeah, but I know what you're saying. Like, that apprehension, then you're a cop. And then also you got to deal with, like, they fuck you know they fucking hate you as well, right? They might. Yeah, a lot of times they don't.
00:37:41
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Right. But that they have the same like stereotypes that those guys have, it just feeds into the thing. Yeah. So then take that where you got to resolve and like manage the peace in those neighborhoods as a cop.
00:37:55
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Take that same scenario. It's got to be tough, dude. Ah, it's terrible. i I could probably turn into like... not gonna say a racist pig, but I could definitely turn into a very race kept skeptical, skeptical, skeptical human being, a race skeptical human being.
00:38:12
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You know what i'm saying? Dude, well, you, now you've made it about race, but I'll tell you who are the, when you live that, you live and in those neighborhood in those neighborhoods and the people that, and the cops that are just, they get beaten down by it and they start to formulate their opinions and they see shit.
00:38:27
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The ones that are the most hard ass and are like, fuck this. and I can only say this through experience from talking to them, are that the black cops are fucking the hardest, dude. They're just like, fuck them. Because I had to call the cops on, we had some like hooker crack addicts that that lived a couple of houses down from us, white girls.
00:38:46
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But they had all these fucked up people over there all the time. And I and i was like, but Like some cops came and I'm like, I feel bad because I know this their house, but it's like, it's getting ridiculous. All these people are showing up and this white or this black female cop was basically like, fuck them.
00:39:02
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You don't need to feel bad. Fuck them. They should be taken out of here forever. And all the fucking hoodlums and hang out with them. They're just fucking up this neighborhood. And and I was like, okay. Sorry, but she was like, it was so funny.
00:39:13
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I mean, she said a little more professional that, but she was just like, there was no apathy or sympathy in that. It was like, fuck them. They need to get the fuck out of here and they're ruining the neighborhood and the crew of the dudes that they brought over. And it was like, okay, cool.
00:39:29
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Which I kind of like that because she can say that. Yeah, feel like. Yeah, they can say that. Yeah. Sure, but i think just like I think if you're a cop and you stay principled just throughout your career, really principled about what the job is and what it isn't, which it's got to be impossible, but if you could.
00:39:48
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you know You see cops like that that are robotic, but they're like, no, sir, this is not a race issue. because you are driving fast. But they get robotic. but they they get like robotics And that's probably part of what they test for, right? That you you're, and I'm not going to say simple-minded, but that you're your thoughts are structured in a way that they're not confusing in terms of how how you communicate. And they they're trained to kind of be that way. And they're and and some cops, dude, by the way, are like I've met a few that are pretty boring kind of peeps.
00:40:22
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Yeah, of course. But I get it. Because how you want to be sarcastic when you're shaking someone down? Yeah. Huh. Looks like you're having a real rough day here, fella, as he's like.
00:40:34
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Got a gunshot in his leg or something. i mean, you're not going to be funny. You're just you're just not going to be creative. What's that? Red Sox hat? Red Sox fans are predominantly gay. Just kidding. Anyways, you were going over.
00:40:46
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Yeah. and You and I would be horrible. there There's no room for creativity. And it just would get you. I don't know. Like, do you think that would be... Like, how okay, how how would how how could a cop endear himself to a community that's that's seen all the brutality and skepticism? Like, how else can you do it without a little bit of like, humanality? Is that a word?
00:41:09
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Like, just being robotic about it? Well, just like being robot, no, I'm not here because of race. I'm here because, you know, like if they were like, I don't know how how you do it. How do they set the message? Like we're here to protect and serve, including your demographic, regardless of what it is.
00:41:26
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like How do they do that? how do Well, those relationships are hard hard fought and they're built on trust and like having an ongoing presence. I imagine it's very difficult. But like there's also response teams that just show up to chaos, and there's no way to do that with creativity. First of all, I love you.
00:41:48
Speaker
What's up, y'all? Put the AK down. Hey, yo yo, y'all homies. Yo, homie. Yeah, come on. That's a nice AK. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I like that lowrider, huh? What you got in the back of that trunk?
00:42:02
Speaker
You always see the... A couple kilos? that's which Oh, no big deal, fella. well We're going to have to take care of that. But, you know, I get it. I get it, guy. Let's go play 21. You do occasionally, like, once year, see a video of a cop who'll go, like, play play hoops with a kid or something like that, which is which seems good.
00:42:22
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i always wonder, though. They're kind of like someone can jack their gun.
00:42:26
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But these neighborhoods, dude, and you know you'll see the white folks say, oh well look at all the crime that's committed there. And like obviously you've left people in desperate situations, but they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. No, but they've been in these desperate situations for generations. So they're going to commit more crimes because they're not sure what else to do.
00:42:44
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But to be a cop in one of those areas, come on, how unpredictable are some of those teenagers? Or any fucking teenagers, but but yeah. just Just how unpredictable, though, is one that is in a desperate situation.
00:42:57
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You know, the kind of that... Yeah, that's of problem. The only thing they can rely on is the fucking free lunch at their school terms of, like, resource. Yeah. Because their parents are fucked up or gone or dead or whatever.
00:43:08
Speaker
Dude, that'd be a cop and that's... This is where I just want to people to have a lot more respect for the complexity of this job. And I want that for them because I... ah Well, be good for both sides, right?
Critiques and Understanding of Law Enforcement
00:43:23
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It'd be good for everybody, but i also want to make fun of white people as much as possible. cause Yeah, let's get back to that. So what I call the bleeding heart. It's a woman, right? A woman. I can't listen. There's two demographics when it comes to issues. Yeah, I'll get there. I'll i'll say it.
00:43:39
Speaker
I'll say it, bro. There's two people who are like, I don't care what their cause is. If it's like college kids or like rich suburban white mom, ah like middle class, upper middle class, fighting for some something that they've never experienced, have never been close to, like I'm like, I don't care if they're right. It's just like, stop.
00:44:03
Speaker
I mean, it is woman because you don't really – how many – I mean, you do have kind of like hippie liberal guy occasionally, but you don't see it as much. You don't see like the protesting, screaming middle-aged woman, you know. So we're going to fault the woman because she actually tries to have a voice or opinion about something, but where the guy, the white guy sitting there having a beer. don't fucking know.
00:44:24
Speaker
Drinking his beer. That guy's all right. Would you rather have people step up and voice their opinion or check out? It depends who it is. And if it's in one of those two groups, I'd rather have them be quiet. Shut the fuck up.
00:44:38
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I'm with you on the college thing. The the super idealistic college person that says stuff that they don't understand the broader context and they're just so doubled down on it. That's pretty annoying.
00:44:50
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Well, I just don't like... Like anything on an uninformed with no experience of it. Like, and I shouldn't do that. You're right. But I put that hope both those groups into this, like, what have you experienced?
00:45:03
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I'm not righteous because I live in the hood for a while. I live in Latin America. But these experiences have led to some some other some other things where I'm like, Okay.
00:45:13
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Like, i don't know. I mean, I like my wife. i remember my wife was kind of like, what's going on with these fucking people? Like, because most foreigners, including my friends, think that basically cops are just beating the shit out of everyone all the time.
00:45:28
Speaker
And if you're if you're like a minority in the U.S., you're going to you' most likely are going get the hell beat out you by a cop. It's just a matter of time. and And that none of these people that are getting, that have like issues or cops are like in, like cracking down on people or doing anything bad.
00:45:43
Speaker
all right It's just like all I'm warranted police brutality. And the reality is there's some police brutality and there's a lot of people doing bad shit in the ghetto, which is like regardless of race, it's just bad behaviors, bad behavior.
00:45:56
Speaker
yeah And then you so I lived there and i'm like, wow. these people are fucking killing their own community. You know, like not, when I say these people, it sounds terrible, but some small percentage of people are doing shit. That's really bad. And cops, cops should probably enforce the law on them.
00:46:13
Speaker
And so I don't know. i have like the perspective of being in the middle of that and and being with somebody like talking to a few foreigners that like we're outside of that and then got inside of those communities and their idea, like even coming from Africa, you know, it's just like,
00:46:27
Speaker
what these fucking people doing, dude? You know? So, yeah I don't know. There's like some perspective where i don't know if these some people have. Like how can you when you're fucking 19 living in Boulder? Right, exactly. And went to a private high school or something. Or the only time you get in that situation, again, I've met, I knew dudes like this, it's like because they went to the hood to buy Coke.
00:46:48
Speaker
oh it's little dicey down there it's like okay good now you have life experience yeah yeah it is righteous it's a righteous thing to say because you understand the ignorance of me no of the people that don't have experience with it but they want to voice an opinion about justice and they get ahead of themselves and they kind of make a fool of themselves sometimes i think i've done it on a few things myself don't i'm not going say i haven't but like college kids they're they're definitely earnest and idealistic and of course they're going to speak out about things that they don't have the history on or or maybe they read a couple blogs and now they have ah an opinion have you have you this is what like so i don't know i think you brought this up but you remember maybe on another episode i don't know if we talked to us off air but like
00:47:38
Speaker
there's there's like what bothers me sometimes is people take a situation they don't know about now granted there's stuff like trayvon which is just seems like there's no possible way to like walk around the a terrible thing that happened right like a kid just got shot for nobody even knows why you're it's okay for a white woman in suburbia to be like that's wrong on twitter right no i'm not saying that oh okay my just kidding no no but it's just like oh my gosh that was a horrible horrible thing that happened but i think there was the incident in in wyoming with like uh what was seen as like a hate crime against homosexuals shepherd or something like that matthew shepherd yeah
00:48:24
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and it's And that was a rally cry for a lot of people, including this this type of person that I'm talking about. Horrible, horrible thing that happened. But I think he was actually killed by... I don't know.
00:48:35
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Yeah. His friend who was also gay or something like that. Like, yeah. Over drugs. Yeah. People took it and ran with it and made it like this thing that was so, it was about race and about, and not race in this situation, but about like a minority group being, being, uh, you know, targeted, yeah targeted, targeted,
00:48:55
Speaker
It's just like, I think that happens too much. Like people start jumping to conclusions and then they, and then you're like, wait, you know, the person you're fighting for, like it's something fucking terrible. And like, I don't know if this applies straight up to police brutality, but oftentimes you're like, Oh, there was a criminal though that got, was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or like, I don't know there's like, I don't like when people jump to conclusions and they're not completely informed about what actually happened.
00:49:21
Speaker
How dare you expect people to understand that life is more complex than the headline? That's some bullshit, Matt. No, exactly. That's what this is. like the Being a police officer is a complex job. It's an uncertain job.
00:49:37
Speaker
There are always two sides to the story. And there's fear running through the veins of the perpetrators or the the suspects and the police officers. It's just never going to be a perfect scenario.
00:49:50
Speaker
It's never going to go down the way everyone expects or hopes. It's just a tough situation. Are you happy that cops are giving out DUIs? because That's one thing I have to think about since ah for a while was like, I didn't fucking get a DUI.
00:50:02
Speaker
But there's a lot of data out there that shows that DUIs and like so many people have died about it. Not about it. People have died because of drinking and driving incidents.
00:50:13
Speaker
Are you happy that they're enforcing that law? That you feel like it takes your freedom away? Of course, I think there needs to be a deterrent. I would argue that ruining people's lives i don't I don't know if there's a better way to handle an initial
Education, Behavior Change, and Public Safety
00:50:29
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one. It's a serious offense, in my opinion, I think, because of the fact that drunk drivers have killed so many innocent people.
00:50:37
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But, dude, like is there a better way to set somebody on a path to to not doing that again? Probably. Yeah, because I don't know if it actually does anything. Yeah.
00:50:48
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, maybe in the instant you get the guy off the road that night, but like, it doesn't really, that's kind of my thing is like, I don't, I don't know if it's the same thing with the shit, like, it like drug dealers and gang bangers, you're not fixing the real problem fucking with them. So the in incidents have decreased. I think there's definitely more driving on the influence of drugs cropping up, at least in Colorado because of the weed.
00:51:09
Speaker
But like, I think the education is what's driving the decrease. And you'll see a lot of stuff now. Because of the DUI enforcement, you think it's better? No, it's it's education. It's mostly the education that drives the behavior change.
00:51:24
Speaker
and awareness of like their options don't do this this is how much it costs so you your insurance will likely drop you you're gonna have to get a lawyer all these things that people are that the community has said to citizens about the consequences of this has worked it's helped i think it's lowered and of course we have uber and lyft and lots of different options now too that help right and e-bikes bro don't forget it's profit dude everyone's so worried about getting jacked that they they can't take on the extra calories. Cause, cause CrossFit costs them $800 a month.
00:51:56
Speaker
Yeah. as you can I can't, yeah, I can't, I got to protect the investment. So yeah, I think you need to have the cops there, but no, in of itself, does it change any into behavior? Probably not. How about speed limits? sweet It's a joke out there.
00:52:09
Speaker
Nobody's doing the speed limit and, and there are people racing in between highway and a highway that's super busy. It's a joke. I'm just wondering if, if it's like rethink,
00:52:20
Speaker
the the police force is like the way that the way however they came up with the police force is it outdated and there that creates some of the tension it's like think think about their role in society what they could actually be or is it like nope just arm them up we need we more more armed men out there to stop people from doing stupid shit like it's like no these people should be like i don't know what you call them like you know, citizen protectors or something like which is what they're supposed to be. But like, instead of more like enforcing the law in a negative way, it's more like creating the peace.
00:52:53
Speaker
oh damn solutions maybe if i don't know what the answer is dude i don't understand policing but like if they were always traveling in force and would probably feel like there was more safety there in that situation and there was potentially more room to like connect with the communities that need to be connected wait they should travel in groups you mean Yeah.
00:53:20
Speaker
So they feel less threatened and then they act in a less threatening way, maybe something like that? Uh-huh. Yeah, exactly. That's some scary shit, though. You get four fucking cops rolling down the street sometimes. but Well. It's only scary if you're fucking up to no good or in a marginalized race. Exactly. Then it's scary.
00:53:38
Speaker
Lately, it's like if you're trans. like they're I mean, with Trump, dude, don't you think they're going to get targeted here? I'm not. It's a sensitive issue. How can they? I don't know, dude, just there's there seems to be permission.
00:53:53
Speaker
There's like permission to just be just treat these people like shit. It's like, who cares? It's obvious but for the most part when someone's of another color, black or whatever. True. I see. right how I'm saying like, how can you how can how can you?
00:54:08
Speaker
Yeah, how can you like stereotype or group together like trans? Is it so obvious? Well, I think when somebody transitions from female to male, it's less obvious. And depending on when they did it, if they did it after puberty, from male to female, it's way ah way more obvious. it's Some of them look manly, dude. And I think those people I'd worry about.
00:54:29
Speaker
not only the police, but the public. and then the And then the police's impression of how they should protect those people or the police's motivation to protect those people. I worry about that. And these this is so, this is people who transition to woman a woman later in life are very high risk in Lance's white suburban ah opinion.
00:54:50
Speaker
I think actually you just you just said something that made me rethink a little bit. like and mean It's not always straight up about uh, brutality. It's also like, who are the cops willing to like defend or help or be engaged with and not go in with some skepticism. And you're probably right. Like if they, they probably get treated better than my family, than a black family or our trans house.
00:55:15
Speaker
I don't know what that looks like. Like maybe the there's probably more cops out there and like, fuck these people. And so they're, they're They're not going to give the same effort that they give us. That kind of sucks.
00:55:26
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If you're a black dude and you're wearing glasses versus you're a black dude with a fro and a pick sticking out in the fro. Now the kid with the fro or the person with the fro could have went to Princeton and the dude with the glasses could have done two stints in prison for all we know. Right. But like police officers going to make a judgment based on that physical appearance.
00:55:48
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Wear some glasses. Okay. Dude, that's the worst that's the worst part of it. the race The race thing is like, I have the freedom, because I have had a fro. I was just looking at some old pictures I found it. was like, what the fuck I had when Sophia was like two years old. I think I was at a don't cut my hair contest, my neighbor.
00:56:05
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huge trouble, but it wasn't gonna it wasn't gonna kick me into a category again, racially profiled and fuck with black cop. Most likely unless they just said I was a stoner. Maybe from behind after like you've been surfing three days straight bubble to do of had kind of an African ass back then.
00:56:24
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So I had the whole package. Yeah. So black dude looks a little eccentric. And all of a sudden cops are like, Oh, here we go. Here we go. Who's this?
00:56:35
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Right? So there's that. It's the same probably with Hispanic, too. If he rolls in with, like, the plaid shirt, bandana, and socks pulled up, and low-riding dickies, he might be ah he might be the CEO of Capital One.
00:56:48
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But...
00:56:51
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You might get profiled. We'll end on it. Well, let's wrap this up. But I will say, like don't you wouldn't you worry about a trans woman, African-American trans woman?
00:57:02
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That's probably a very risky human being to be in this country right now. Would you agree with that? Yeah, but to society, yeah. i don't know if this is the police. So what – okay. Okay.
00:57:14
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he human but So what percentage of police do you think that's an issue for? I really don't know, man. Well, because I think the idea with these people that I'm trashing is that the percentage of sort of bigot, racist, asshole, like is higher in the police force than in society.
00:57:31
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so So I think people are like, yeah, there's some there's some good cops. There's a lot more cops that that are racist, a lot more than normal, you know? Well, we just discussed the thesis that the job is tough. Like it's tough. It can.
00:57:44
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Yeah. I don't see how this black trans woman like causes the threatening piece. It's more like they're different. Like what's the threat to the cop? They just don't like them because it's not their values or something. Right?
00:57:57
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I don't know. It depends on if they're taking hormones or not. They could be big. They could be tall. So they might be threatening. They could be threatening. But what? Yes. To your point, I don't think that everybody's walking around racist, but we also talked about how tough the job is and how over some years you might develop some.
00:58:14
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negative impressions of certain subtypes of demographics. So it's a tough job. It's a complex situation. White people specifically, honkies, should not fucking rail against the police.
00:58:27
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Unless they have their own personal experience. Yeah. Which they might. Like there there might be, I'm going to expand on your closing thought. I'm sure there's some trailer park dudes like poor white families that have the same experience They feel like they've been harassed and fucked with by cops and probably have always had that will carry this animosity.
00:58:48
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Because there's probably some neighbor, like some trailer park neighborhoods of the cops are like, ah, fuck these people. Always issues in this fucking redneck shithole. And so there's probably that tension there too.
00:59:00
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those But we're not really talking about those people. No, not the meth heads. Not the meth heads doing wheelies on motorbikes. No. Is there a name that we can sum up?
00:59:13
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A female name that could sum up the people that we're talking to? I don't even know this shit exists anymore, actually. Yeah, we are five years too late. Is there a bunch of like just, the I don't even know. is this something college kids or suburban white people are still like, God damn cops.
00:59:30
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I think it's more of a lack of respect for it. I don't know if the hate and vitriol is still there for cops since 2020. It's more of like another job that we've devalued.
Humorous Closure with 'Piss' Board Game
00:59:43
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And I'm not sure we are always getting our most talented folks in these very important positions. So that was the the whole idea of this. Just following up on the teacher thing because I lack creativity.
00:59:54
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Another failed episode, huh? Yeah, buddy. All right.
01:00:06
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Have you heard of that new board game called Piss? Seriously? Piss? You have to be kidding. No, really. It's an adventure game about drinking insane amounts of water.
01:00:21
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Seriously? Seriously. How do you win? You win if you can hold in your piss the longest. Uh, guess that sounds fun.
01:00:35
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Wow.
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