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A Conservative Is Born
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The Illusion of Understanding: Crypto and Finance
00:00:37
Speaker
The joke's on me, Matt. The joke is on me. Because I've tried to understand these ridiculous things like crypto, poly markets, tariffs, AI, and all the while you telling me I don't really care.
00:00:55
Speaker
I don't really care. So the joke is on me because nothing seems fucking real. Like literally nothing matters. I look at Yahoo Finance. It's just numbers on a screen.
00:01:05
Speaker
It's pixels, dude. that Nothing seems to make sense. Okay, good. Is this ah finance finance or everything? ah you start Are you buying in? Am I am i influencing you at all? Just sort of don't get too worked up in it because it's all fucking nonsense and and news cycles and nothing real?
00:01:25
Speaker
I guess I'm admitting that you are, dude. I don't want to be right. I think you are, though. I think you are. I mean, just look at Yahoo. How can you make sense of anything?
00:01:37
Speaker
Like, what really, what is crypto? I don't even know now.
The Real-World Application and Value of Crypto
00:01:42
Speaker
I know people that use crypto, like they pay they use it to pay vendors, they use Bitcoin as an actual payment method.
00:01:49
Speaker
Like it there is something there. I guess I'm playing devil's a advocate because you're trying to agree with me. But like there is some crypto stuff that's real, like it's a currency that's used to transfer wealth, just like ah dollar bill.
00:02:04
Speaker
Well, why are people why do people sell all their assets and buy into crypto and then adopt this radical, decentralized, anti-government mindset?
00:02:17
Speaker
Why do they do that then if it's just like a ah version of PayPal? what what's What's kind of funny to me is those people probably have a lot of the same mindset as you, you know, like a distrust for what's going on. Like you voice that opinion in all different arenas of finance, supplements, self-help, like you're like a lot of it's nonsense. You you actually agree with some of that.
00:02:42
Speaker
Well, I agree with some of that, but the crypto, dude, is just a ah weird hype cycle that it's been going on for a long time now. But like it's there's this continued hype that I don't know.
00:02:54
Speaker
I don't totally understand. i don't. First off, i there's so many other things I could invest in that make more logical sense. But this thing is, man, there's something about it that people that this particular era were in that people really, really appreciate.
00:03:09
Speaker
Are you jealous in a way that people could just trade blindly and happen and someone might've been the right place at the right time and they got Bitcoin at 40,000, now it's 109 and they can't explain to you what it is or why it fucking worked, but they got lucky while you're grinding it out, doing it by the books.
00:03:26
Speaker
I'm jealous of stock pickers in general, but not so much as crypto, ah not so much crypto because it has had... Fluctuations. Well, yeah, no, not necessarily. I still think it's a silly thing and I don't want to get into it, like the details of it, but I just don't quite understand what's so compelling about it versus maybe some of the options out there, but...
00:03:50
Speaker
what So what the heck what would what is compelling about anything? like what do you what do you Why is it less compelling? I would say Apple. I have Apple. I have some Apple. And it seems to me like a mature stock that I don't understand why it keeps going up. like What else are they going to do? But it keeps going up.
00:04:09
Speaker
I think I got it at 120, which seemed ridiculous. It took a dive when Trump announced some stupid tariffs, but it's at 212 right now. I don't understand why. Well, it was like $300, wasn't it?
00:04:22
Speaker
It got up like $250 or something like that. But it'll get there. It's going to keep going. But i don't I don't even
Growth Mindsets and Market Critique
00:04:27
Speaker
understand why it's a good stock. It's like, what do you yeah you... You don't understand finance, bro, because you fucking didn't pay attention when you were at CU.
00:04:36
Speaker
No, but you everything... What we've also talked about is everything's based on like this crazy growth cycle. and like So you look at a company like Apple, it's crazy profitable. Yeah. as anyone knows has been ripped off buying one of their stupid products. But like, it's also like the market, a lot of the markets is based on weird growth reality and like how they report their growth and like they're pretty mature in that cycle.
00:05:01
Speaker
So yeah, I get what you're saying. And they, they do, they do, they do produce a dividend. Sure. The primary difference is that Apple creates a product and they have a business that produces cash flows and they have millions and millions of people that own their product.
00:05:20
Speaker
Bitcoin is... Some people do use Bitcoin, that was my point earlier. But you can use Bitcoin, use dollars. i I use dollars. And when I go to Japan, I use yen, whatever. I mean, it's not a reason for it to be worth $110,000 or whatever it is.
00:05:37
Speaker
I just don't understand what's driving. i understand it psychologically. But I don't understand why it could have such a huge market capitalization.
00:05:48
Speaker
Well, at the base of what some of the people that are that have got into it, I believe it's a like kind of a way to circumvent the system and don't believe in the system and the powers that be and the way currency works and the way we're tracked and all that stuff. Does that does any of that strike a chord with you?
00:06:04
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. It's just not... It does it doesn't... It wouldn't be emblematic of a... of a transaction mechanism. So this whole stable coin idea, so using a crypto coin to alleviate the fees are associated with credit cards and stuff, really threatening the credit card industry, that is a nice use case, but that requires it to be stable.
00:06:30
Speaker
And with with Bitcoin and some of these other so-called investments and stores of value now, I guess Bitcoin is rare. There's only so many coins. I still don't know what drives people's interest to hold it and hoard it.
00:06:47
Speaker
ah it's it's It's a phenomenon that I've tried to understand, but I should just let go of, I guess is my point. I'm just saying the joke's on me. It's going up. That's all that matters. Just shut the fuck up and and and just get on board, bro.
00:07:00
Speaker
Well, can you separate the usefulness of it and the fact that it actually, like you're saying, maybe it's not Apple, but it has some value because people use it and the price of it that's traded on the market are like two different things.
00:07:13
Speaker
ah how is it How is Bitcoin specifically useful to me if it fluctuates dramatically? And if it continues, it's like these people that are supporting it, they want it to go or they're they're all ranting about it going to a million dollars.
00:07:27
Speaker
It's not exactly the type of thing that I want to do everyday transactions with. yeah the well Yeah, there's that, like the use of it and then the owner owning of it, a piece of it. and like But I mean, currency itself, the interesting thing about is you still need a value, like a stable value to price it.
00:07:47
Speaker
you know And so it's valued at a hundred and right now $108,000, but it's still using another currency as a reference, right? Like ah like its value still based on something else, which is like kind of defeats the point of it being this rebel thing.
00:08:04
Speaker
But still like it's still valued based on another currency, which is kind of weird. Yeah, it weird. I mean, the fact that currency fluctuations, and you know, maybe in the US it's pretty stable. But you look at like Argentina or some these places, like the the value going up and down for for currency around the world is not that abnormal of a thing.
00:08:23
Speaker
Well, yeah. With total political instability, which we may be headed there here in the US. I'm not sure. It seems like you would like this actually though. that The concept of decentralized money?
00:08:36
Speaker
Yeah, well, as you talk about, ah you think that we could be heading towards a real ah authoritarian state in the U.S. and potential world war and all this stuff that it seems like. I never said any of that.
00:08:48
Speaker
Getting world war. Oh, okay. Okay. You're attacking me today, bro. You're fucking coming after my perspective real hard. i never I've never ripped the rip the bandaid off on this one, but now I think about it, seems like you should be a ah fan of this or going in that direction more than against it, given some of the stuff you think.
00:09:05
Speaker
Does the concept make sense to you? If this is about a decentralized currency, why would it increase 40,000% and go down 30,000% and come back up 35,000%? How on earth does that make logical sense for something that I want to do everyday transactions with independent of the government?
00:09:26
Speaker
I also, you know, there's a criminal side to this that as we've seen it play out, hasn't been great for society either. What's that mean? that that Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are used by criminal rings to extort people.
00:09:41
Speaker
And that's a fact. Because it's off, because it's because they can use it like untraceable. Yeah, exactly. So there's ah there's a dark underbelly of it as well. I'm not going to get into that because there's a dark underbelly of most things.
00:09:57
Speaker
Well, yeah. I mean, the the benefit of it could be the curse of it. It's kind of like what people like, well, it's not traceable, so i can so they can't control me. Governments can't control me and and they can't.
00:10:08
Speaker
and But then somebody could use that to do bad things.
Hype Cycles and Information Overload
00:10:11
Speaker
Just like religion, honestly, bro. could be ah It could be at the base a good thing and people could use it to do terrible things.
00:10:19
Speaker
Right. But if you're goingnna tell me it's a medium of exchange, then I would hope that it'd be stable and maybe it rises in value with inflation and that's about it. But who's like who's at fault there?
00:10:31
Speaker
The hype cycle, the thing I don't understand, why I want to stop trying to think about this shit, the hype cycle of of our world now, the the insanity, the reality of the online world where most people seem to live now versus anything real, looking for easy things, easy ways out.
00:10:50
Speaker
that's what That's what I think. I would just wonder, the hype cycle on this one was simply reporting that that it like it was able... I think the information... there's a hype cycle was just how fast information spreads. So a few people go like who the fuck, like, you know, before, before internet and everything, like who fucking knew if the yen was like, Oh, the end was going in the right direction. Like the average person or the, the Lira or some shit was pretty within two seconds.
00:11:18
Speaker
It bit Bitcoin went up. Like, you know, what was it? It was probably at like 5 cents at some point, right? In the last 20 years or some, some shit. it's And so, but if it went to like five bucks,
00:11:29
Speaker
the whole world, including your grandma, know immediately. And then that's all it takes because then somebody, people are like, shit, I should get in. And it just keeps going. Like, I don't necessarily- Yeah, but nobody nobody was saying the yen is going to revolutionize the world.
00:11:41
Speaker
This is going to change how humanity operates. This is going to make people's lives so much better. I mean, Bitcoin hype is insane. It might.
00:11:53
Speaker
I mean, it might over the next 50 years. Yeah. Like if you had a, if this is what's kind of driving us to like a universal currency or something like that, or like a, it probably will. Right. At some point it's like the dollar is kind of like is used to price stuff around the world, but there probably will be like a virtual currency that, that. Sure.
00:12:14
Speaker
as user I agree with that. Blockchain and and some form of virtual currency. It's like Napster, dude. We're at the Napster phase. Yeah. For all intents purposes, we are virtual.
00:12:26
Speaker
But you can't have it both ways. You can't have this like insane investment vehicle that's going to go to a million dollars. Oh, and by the way, this is how everybody in the world is going to exchange money.
00:12:38
Speaker
That's what I don't get. No, I just don't think it's quite as like mysterious and fucked up as you're saying. The fluctuations are crazy. And I know why I got into it. It was just like, I saw people were are starting to make some money and I threw some money at like a just in case, as we talked about.
00:12:52
Speaker
But I don't know if it's like the idea itself doesn't seems to fit in with where we're going. more than walking around with piles of paper money. doesn't seem like the future. okay but Okay, but you don't get why some magical digital token went from maybe the equivalent of a baseline currency to 110,000.
00:13:12
Speaker
You think that's normal. Well, you think that's normal? I mean, that's what I'm saying. how How do you explain that? Like what's driving that? Well, the the only thing I can think of is like the the actual value of currency, like in the US is just it's there's no real value to it because it's they can print whatever they want. And I don't understand how it works, but they did put a limit on Bitcoin, which they'll hit soon.
00:13:35
Speaker
And that usually drives up pricing and stuff. OK, but then in the alternate reality where we were on the gold standard, like a dollar It used to be a gold-backed currency, right? But now that's not really the case.
00:13:50
Speaker
Well, that in that reality, though, like almost nobody would be able to get the equivalent of a dollar. We'd have to like create hay pennies so that the poor could eat. I'm just like, I don't get what's happening is all I'm saying. I don't have an explanation for it. I just don't know what... I guess you just don't like the price.
00:14:11
Speaker
I just don't understand. Yeah. So now it's like become what they're saying is it's digital gold. It's digital gold. It's a store of value because Sakatomi Sakoshi or whoever the fuck his name is invented it and made it rare.
00:14:25
Speaker
And there are a bunch of computers all around the the world like mining for the remaining Bitcoin that somehow that it makes it magically worth a lot.
00:14:36
Speaker
It may be the greatest scam in the history of finance. We'll see. We'll see.
00:14:45
Speaker
um what what's them Where are you going with this, though? If you would like to release yourself of worrying about thinking about it. how do you How do you walk yourself off at the greatest scam in history?
00:14:56
Speaker
I was fucking ready. You buy some? I was fucking ready to stop talking about it, but you started arguing. You started picking apart. What's the show about? It's about this hype cycle.
00:15:08
Speaker
i mean, Trump comes out today. Like, I want to get on here and analyze tariffs. But Trump comes out today and says, ah I'm going to do a 50% sheriff on copper and I'm probably going to do 200% on pharmaceuticals.
00:15:20
Speaker
And so I want to be up in arms about that and sit in here, shoot the shit. Oh, you see what fucking Trump did? now let's talk i mean, it just it's so absurd and weird. all this stuff that's happening that I'm just taking your side now, buddy. You should be fucking praising me. I'm taking your side.
00:15:38
Speaker
I don't care. I am, but you're still saying it's and insane. seems like you're still worried about it. Yeah, so how do i how do you how do you explain what's happening with Bitcoin was my point. And you said, well, how does anything, i mean, a currency in Argentina fluctuates? Yeah, after they fucking murder 500,000 people or whatever they do.
00:15:58
Speaker
Yeah, sure. yeah i'm um'm I'm trying to connect. I mean, yeah, i don't I don't have an answer for you, but I'm happy if you disconnect. But I also don't know if like that's really your thing.
00:16:13
Speaker
There's some connection. and And sort of, you know, carefully studying, carefully studying stuff is how you got where you're at. So maybe you shouldn't just completely leave that and be like, I don't give a fuck about anything.
00:16:25
Speaker
But you might not need to worry about why Bitcoin is at hundred eight thousand. It's like, who cares? Unless you really think it's risky for society and your portfolio and your family, then maybe you should probably hold on to that of a.
00:16:39
Speaker
i think I think that if something that has $2 trillion dollar market cap or even more now, i'm not even sure, and it it does lose value rapidly, it could be very bad for the country and the world.
00:16:52
Speaker
There's a lot of other wealth that's tied up in that and vanishes. But I could be wrong. Well, yeah. I mean, it could just crash, right? Depends who's in it. Like who's got how many people, or you know how many how much of real people's money are locked up in that world.
00:17:08
Speaker
Well, a lot of ah the so-called whales own the majority of it. And apparently they've, the the theory is, and here I go again, trying to understand it. The theory is that they have been hyping it up, using their wealth, converting their Bitcoin back into dollars so they could buy ads to pump this thing high, as sky high as possible, get as many people on board, just create a culture around it so that they can sell for huge profits.
00:17:34
Speaker
Now that's probably has some truth to it, but probably i think there's a whole industry around this stuff that is so much bigger than I understand. But that's just one.
00:17:46
Speaker
Tell me about the poly markets and the... I have no idea what that is. Okay, people are betting. It's just everything exists in this virtual space now.
00:17:58
Speaker
People spend a lot of time betting on things that are going to happen or not happen, whether it's political races, whether it's what an influencer might say, whether it's the stupidest shit you can bet on.
Societal Changes Reflected in Modern Betting
00:18:11
Speaker
Will Taylor Swift sing ah one of her stupid songs in her set when she plays? It's just like betting on current events. Just betting on anything.
00:18:24
Speaker
That's been around, though, for a while. I remember like how long the Star Spangled Banner will go 45 seconds at the Super Bowl. Shit like that. Yeah, exactly. Shit like that. But that it's been around for a while. But like, has it... Here's where you're going to just start an argument. This is like where you're at to today. No, I'm not. I just can't believe you're worried about that. How big it is.
00:18:44
Speaker
How are you... Like, how what are you worried about with that? I'm not worried about it. I'm just saying why... I'm saying this is another absurd thing that so many more people are spending their time betting on ridiculous fucking things.
00:18:57
Speaker
Our young people are doing it. Our young people are on apps. Yeah. doing this, doing betting on sports betting. it just it's It's insanity. like try and I would typically go back and like think about the psychology of it and why ah you know young men are interested in this stuff and why they're spending their time and what has happened to create this. And, oh, it's because of social media and that reality exists differently on a virtual world. And now I'm just like, who gives a fuck?
00:19:25
Speaker
fuck this go Fuck these guys. Fuck these guys. Do whatever you want, bro. You want to fucking bet on whether Martha Stewart goes into menopause? I don't really know.
00:19:40
Speaker
ah Dude, you got it you need to... Maybe you should. Maybe you should do... god damn it. I was going to say, maybe you should be like, I'm going to climb Kilimanjaro or something Maybe you just need to get off the grid.
00:19:53
Speaker
for a while what's what i'm saying what's the point what's the point of thinking about any of this stuff it's all so stupid the poly market tell me why that you you just like oh it's great no i just like your answer is always it's been happening forever lance don't you know that was happening in the 1940s well it's true and it's true right well we're talking about degrees we're talking about order of magnitude more people But how are you getting to this, dude? Because i don't know what even know what the fuck you're talking about.
00:20:21
Speaker
Because I'm in the financial arena. I go to Yahoo. I look at the same picture of that old guy smiling every time the market goes up and then that bald guy looking down every time the market goes down.
00:20:32
Speaker
I go to Yahoo Finance and I see articles. I read them. I'm at Polymarket right And I ponder. So there's apps now. There's apps in the Polymarket that you can bet on really dumb stuff.
00:20:45
Speaker
Fed decision in July, Trump ah experience trump Epstein files made public in 2025. Who the hell would buy yes on that? No fucking way. But that's 13%. Let's see how this works. well This is it entertaining and exciting. Yeah, you you're the kind of guy that will get on there. And that's why, you know, you'll buy Bitcoin. You'll get on that fucker.
00:21:03
Speaker
and I would never do to you. Oh, come on. But i don't understand, like, you buy Oh, okay, yeah, no. And you it's 50 bucks. It's like a payoff. Yeah, so I get it.
00:21:14
Speaker
And that seems like a pretty, there's no fucking way that he's going to release any of that shit unless he really was not there. Yeah. So yes, this is, I like it. So yes. yeah You like it. see See? 75 bucks wins you 575 bucks.
00:21:28
Speaker
I bet you're going to get on there and be fucking dialed in. Uh, I don't know. How does this work? How it works? Like, do I need to have an account? Yeah. You just like your betting app. Go get um one of the poly market apps. There's,
00:21:40
Speaker
But what I don't understand. I mean, there is like FIFA cup World Cup winner. It's just a betting app though, right? Yeah, they'll do sports, but they'll do all sorts of events, whether somebody says a specific word or whether, you know, Joey Chestnut wins the hot dog contest. There's stuff, everything you can imagine, I think they'll allow you to bet on.
00:21:59
Speaker
And I don't know what the social benefit is or the social impact yet. I think a lot of people will probably lose money. and And more importantly, they'll lose their attention. Their attention is going towards these stupid fucking things like crypto and polymarket. And that's why they're not getting any pussy, dude. Maybe, okay. and i Now I can't resist. I can't fucking resist. See, I can't let it go.
00:22:23
Speaker
Once again. Dude. I think, yeah I mean, it's just that, yeah, well, there you go. Like, if you go, well, this all seems like society's going to hell. That's why you should detach because it is, and you you got to stay out of the fray. but But I will say these prop bets that they're actually called have been around for a while.
00:22:44
Speaker
I don't know if this is the sign of of Armageddon. it's It's volume. It's interest. This is what I'm talking about. I know that humans like to gamble and they've gambled on dumb things for a long time, but this is reaching a real interesting, it's reaching a point of concern.
00:23:03
Speaker
Yeah. Well, be this this one's got everything you hate wrapped up in the one, which is
00:23:12
Speaker
Bitcoin above 106,000 on July 97% chance of yes, you say you have 10 bucks to win 31 cents. Yeah.
00:23:19
Speaker
you ten bucks to win thirty one cents yeah Okay, purveyor of easy answers here. help Help me with tariffs.
00:23:29
Speaker
just Tell me what's happening. Well, the stock market broke records recently, right? In the midst of absurd tariff dialogue and even some implementation.
00:23:41
Speaker
How is that reality? How does that make any sense? Imagine any normal president or administration doing anything near what he's doing. And the stock market would collapse by 50%.
00:23:53
Speaker
But somehow we've escaped reality with the most reality TV president. And it doesn't, it's not worth understanding anymore. I want to go on there and rage, and I'm like, what why would you fucking raise threatened tariffs to that level?
00:24:09
Speaker
It's an embargo on pharmaceuticals that could like that save people's lives. We get a lot of pharmaceuticals butceuticals from other countries that save people's lives. So I should just not care. I should not fucking care that you know they're just pulling farm workers straight off the farm and deporting them to some random country that they're not even from. i should just not care about these things. who you Fuck it.
00:24:29
Speaker
Fuck it. I'm mad. Fuck it. I'm mad. I wonder like in that specific instance is like, I mean, I'm like good, fuck the pharmaceutical companies, but it's like ah like when he was just firing away, there was there's a politician here, like a real sleaze ball, this guy, Oscar Arias, who's like, fuck this country real hard, but he's actually won a peace prize or something like that.
00:24:51
Speaker
It's just like brutal. And trump he talked shit about Trump handling of Ukraine or something like that. And then they revoked his like ah visa to the United States.
00:25:02
Speaker
And I think some Costa Ricans were like, oh, fucking Trump's crazy. But in my mind, it was like two negatives equal to positive because that guy's a piece of shit and he's fucked this country hard for a long time.
00:25:15
Speaker
But maybe trump and maybe it was ridiculous what Trump did, but I was like, yeah, that's good. like i don't I don't mind if the pharmaceuticals have to scramble a little bit. So that's how that's how I look at it.
00:25:27
Speaker
Yeah, but your view of pharmaceuticals is that these are all terrible interventions that have side effects way worse than the problems that they attempt to solve. that's That's absolutely not true.
00:25:39
Speaker
Let's get rid of the HIV drugs ASAP because they're they're making people swell. No, I just think they should like... I just wish medicine in general was more about curing the source of the problem and not not prolonged treatment that doesn't that just keeps people on on drugs.
00:25:57
Speaker
so Well, yeah, of course. It was a different topic than tariffs. but That's a healthcare system, though. Yeah, and the pharmaceutical companies are part of that. I mean, it's a double-edged sword in the sense that that the these pharmaceuticals allow people to continue to live. We know that.
00:26:13
Speaker
Would you agree with that? like kind of You're seriously going to... You're upset that we president that's volatile and just talks out of his ass? That really bothers you, dude?
00:26:24
Speaker
All I'm saying is more it's more of it's more of the The intellectual. like is that i like I don't think anyone's listening. like Nobody cares anymore. so i like That's why the market doesn't move ah as much as it did. like At the beginning, remember remember the crazy swings in the market when he first started doing the tariff shit?
00:26:42
Speaker
I think everyone now is just like, yeah, that's going to happen. He's going to do that Okay, but that's an intellectual circus. That's what I would call, don't know, we're all batshit at this point, if that's the case. Because like on in a practical level, going from a zero tariff to even a 10 or 15% tariff is a dramatic shift.
00:27:02
Speaker
But then we're seeing like 25% and some people like four or some countries 40%. We're going to hammer Japan. And you're like, okay, well, that's not real. Well, if this is a negotiation tactic, at some point, he'll have to make it real on a large,
00:27:16
Speaker
a large group of countries and that's crushing. That's crushing. I guess it's not worth analyzing. It's so absurd. I mean, like for me, there's a practical, the only thing I had to worry about is you, ah you doesn't care. I don't really care what Trump's headlines. I do care. Like have to look at, okay, if we're going to get stuff from China or he slaps the tariff on Costa Rica, or there's, then I have to just consider the numbers of it.
00:27:40
Speaker
And like, that's all, that's all I would, I would worry about like, okay, that's going to make our business. ah hard to run and and and then we're going have to charge our clients more.
00:27:51
Speaker
But almost the fact that this is in the the limelight so much, it's like the story is pretty easy. People are like, well, that that's ah more expensive what you said. it's like, yeah, well, your leader just fucking to just put a ah lot more, you know,
00:28:05
Speaker
but But I think it his goal might be to like not have like someone, in my case, not get the wood from Costa Rica, buy some walnut or some shit or oak that they got they harvested in the U.S. I think that's his goal.
00:28:16
Speaker
Do you think? Well, I don't know. I'm not i'm um' not going to try to understand, but I think I'm going to take your approach, which if it doesn't affect me, I'm not going to analyze it. you might move your investments around a little bit, which you mentioned you kind of already have.
00:28:29
Speaker
but Yeah, it doesn't affect me. I'm not going to analyze it, dude. Until I see the toxic waste coming down the little creek near my house, I'm not going to even think about it.
00:28:40
Speaker
Until the temperature rises like 10, 15, 20 degrees and things on my my shingles are melting, who gives a fuck? And the tariffs, I guess, I don't know.
00:28:52
Speaker
If I don't buy those goods, fuck it. ah I just think you either have, you're either going to be like, either need to blow it up, become a real fucking activist, take large scale action or control yourself and what's around you. And that's all you can do.
00:29:07
Speaker
i'm chose I chose B. Well, yeah, it's like, just don't be a hypocrite. You're not. I'm saying like, so you're, you're okay. I'm not saying that like, okay, I went out. It's like, I'm not in my head being like, okay, I don't care. So therefore I'm going to go buy a dually.
00:29:23
Speaker
like a dually pickup truck with, with, because I don't care. so I'm getting a V10 gas guzzling pickup truck. Cause I don't care, but I'm also not fucking, I'm not going to any rallies or anything. I'm just trying to manage my impact on the earth.
00:29:38
Speaker
I take action like that. it doesn't mean that it doesn't, I don't care about the environment. I'm not waiting for a green sludge to come rolling down my street, but, I don't think you can, like the way information comes now, you can't you can't get too worried you can't get too worried about a small piece of information, whether it's from the president or the Environmental Protection Agency or the Iranian, whatever he is.
00:30:04
Speaker
Grand asshole. ah Like I think mate it's funny, you're you're kind of detached, but you're also like, get is it just, it's literally what's coming off of Yahoo Finance? Is that what gets you going for the most part?
00:30:16
Speaker
No, i'm just I'm just, you know, this effort. Are you like in disbelief of where we're at as a society? Probably. I guess this effort to understand what's happening. And and I would expect that more people would be I would expect more people to be up in arms about things. It's ah it's like, i does war matter anymore? I guess war, you'll you'll hear some things, but your average person and...
00:30:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, ah, Ukraine and Russia, they're fighting. And, then you know, you could analyze how that could have much bigger implications in the future with relationship with the European Union and and Russia, and that could potentially lead to a bigger conflict. Like, you could go there, and I just find myself now just being so exhausted, like, eh, war.
00:31:01
Speaker
We've all, I'll be like, Matt, well, Lance, we've always had wars. It's true. We've always had wars. There's always been ah instability in the Middle East. And, you know, the fact that we just bombed Iran.
00:31:15
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and We've done stuff like that before.
00:31:20
Speaker
It's true. I know it's true. But the point is, what's the what's the opposite of that? The opposite of that is what I do, which is like, this is what could happen. Oh, this is concerning. This is what, oh my God, we got to, what's going on with our country.
00:31:35
Speaker
I do it with people I know and in my own head. then where do you But where do you go with that? On this fucking show. Where do you go with that? I guess there's a there's probably a benefit to have some awareness and and to have, I guess, some deeper understanding of what's happening in
Global Conflicts and Public Desensitization
00:31:52
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the world.
00:31:52
Speaker
But to what end, I guess, to your point? What? So I can change my finances? So I can change my investments? Or so I can inform my kids? like Or so I can be ready to leave the country if shit really hits a fan or or anything?
00:32:03
Speaker
A lot of that's just absurd. It's like the probability isn't there for for any of that to happen. Yeah, I mean, but then then it's like, all right, that's it. i don't i have lots see um I guess at my age, I'm having a hard time finding why being informed on all that stuff. Okay, well, let's talk AI. That's a little more practical. That'll affect you and your kids potentially.
00:32:23
Speaker
So let's talk about AI.
AI's Impact on Jobs and Society
00:32:25
Speaker
Already shown to be taking away entry-level jobs. Companies are moving towards this solution fast. There will be a point where there'll be less jobs.
00:32:35
Speaker
It's something that we should think about. Anybody that has kids should be concerned about. And and you can go, well, i I'll just do the Matt refrain. Well, industry's changed before in the past, Lance.
00:32:48
Speaker
Got it. But this is, again, magnitude. This is a type of change that there's not a quick reversal to. Bam. We don't need huge subsets of the workforce.
00:32:59
Speaker
That is pretty much life-altering for many human beings. Already happening. Are you... Correlating that into how you're parenting? Like, are you taking that telling your kids, hey, you're fucked?
00:33:11
Speaker
i Don't tell them they're fucked. But I do talk about, and I think a lot of parents are, man. we talk And this was, I said, I think it's good that you want to become a teacher to my daughter because here's why.
00:33:22
Speaker
And I've talked to my son about different skills that he should be considering. I've talked about- Do you think teaching could be a threat? Well, you know, obviously it gets to gets to a real ridiculous end state. Everything is.
00:33:34
Speaker
mean, humans would have to do nothing, especially if machine technology is available. But ah especially if advanced machine robotics is in play, which everybody says it will be.
00:33:46
Speaker
Life like vaginas. Everything. Everything. Everything. Yes, sir. So this is something that your technique of I don't care could have devastating consequences. But at the same time, me caring and talking about all the potential impacts seems like a fucking waste of time because what am I going to do about it? I'm not going to anything. You already the work, dude. Unless your machines are attacking your accounts and stuff. Like you already did the work not be affected by it. But yeah, I mean, I just don't know what the,
00:34:18
Speaker
like I don't know what the action is, if that's a risk to humanity. i mean Maybe when it comes up to petitions and signing or public interest, because we need to put governors on these machines or something like that, and you you go out and vote or something like that, maybe.
00:34:33
Speaker
but i mean My thing would be, like and shit, it's probably a way that AI will fucking screw up the wood business, but my thing would be to get into something like tangible that's not a process,
00:34:46
Speaker
like, all right, gonna sell some wood. Okay, and would you? It's already, you know, they can already fabricate decent products that are not real wood, so there's that. Yeah, but you could I could create a competitor of robots that harvest that wood and then set up everything. Yeah, I'd still buy it from you.
00:35:03
Speaker
Set up all the, no, but you can set up all the, a competitor comes in and undercuts you because you want to be idealistic and do some natural process. right, I would take the, a I'd take the act.
00:35:14
Speaker
Well, no, they compete with you and they'd set up all the social media accounts and the robots would do it, the AI would do it. but if you're talking you're talking about to Then you're toast, Matt. Yeah, the matt yeah that but there's probably still like a beautiful table at the end of it and you just gotta be a part of it. If all the processes are a lot better because of ah AI, like it's probably gonna go that way.
00:35:36
Speaker
It's like, unfortunately, like you said, everything always fucks the low guy, but all the people doing the sanding and all that crap, but there's probably gonna be better ways to do that. Maybe. I don't know. But like you, ah you know, when you talk about parenting, well, I might encourage my kids to be into more hands-on stuff. Like, I don't know. My son has talked about becoming a chef. Well, that might be ah ah that might be a profession that you can't really take away from Why not?
00:36:05
Speaker
Why not? it's it's It's right in the realm of advanced robotics with AI. All it is, I mean, it's very process-driven. I mean, a lot of chef being a chef is not as artistic as as it's made sound.
00:36:20
Speaker
i mean Take all the recipes. you Yeah, you have recipes, but you gotta have people ordering ingredients and planning and making the restaurant have a cool vibe and all that shit. You think AI is doing everything.
00:36:31
Speaker
It can do all that. I'm not saying it will, I'm saying it could. All right, athlete, you think they're at risk? Could be, yeah. Is that the only thing? Well, you not i mean you've seen movies where they're now showing robots fighting.
00:36:47
Speaker
I haven't. You haven't seen those movies? There's one with Hugh Jackman. Independence Day? You talking about? I don't know what it's called. No, it was not Independence Day. Jesus, dude.
00:36:57
Speaker
No, so so it could, obviously we take it to its ridiculous end state. It could go to a place where almost nothing a human can do is safe. You're safe, yeah. mean, I would think a chef might be at the back end of that.
00:37:11
Speaker
it might be harder and take longer. Let's say the profit motive doesn't isn't there for that to happen. But these are things that I've been spending time thinking about. Your wife's trade, sorry.
00:37:24
Speaker
I mean, if you if you get like a psychologist, ah a robotic psychologist that can adapt and listen and do it, is that gonna put her at risk? Well, she'll be out of the industry, but for people in the future, yeah.
00:37:36
Speaker
But would you encourage your daughter to go in mom's footsteps? Are you like, no, you're probably going to get fucked up? That one seems like it's probably pretty safe in the next hundred years. but It's probably better than some of the others.
00:37:47
Speaker
But it again, it can work because people are getting attached to technology already. They're showing that our human psyches can lose sight of the fact that we're talking to essentially a machine and all of a sudden embrace them like they're friends or like they're advisors and human beings.
00:38:03
Speaker
And there's no friction. I can get what I want out of it. So that could be a possibility, but dude, you're not letting me stay stay on the topic of why I should stop thinking about all this.
00:38:15
Speaker
was just going to say, it sounds like you're doing a good job of of letting it all go. You're not processing it too much. Okay. Let me ask you this then. Maybe you should limit.
00:38:25
Speaker
Can i recommend you get three or you get three things that really bother you and focus on that? Because you start worrying about the the present political situation, ai Okay, but let' let's put it together though. This is what I really want to ask you.
00:38:40
Speaker
alright All right, me. so we we come to a place where a lot of these things, let's say AI is really starting to impact humanity. do you Do you like a guy like Trump in office in that scenario?
00:38:52
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Advocate for him.
00:38:55
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Advocate for him. He's so volatile like that's the window the robots need to take over. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, do you like a guy like that when there's, do you like Trump in office when there's active wars?
00:39:08
Speaker
This is where I crossed the threshold of like Matt's strategy of not caring. And then. I just wonder, I just, I just wonder if it's worse off than because he talks and ah and the way he talks everything, are we really worse off than,
00:39:22
Speaker
some of the other people that have like, I don't have faith in any other leaders to think, Oh man, it was so much better when X, Y, and Z were, were re leading us. and so I said, not that I think he's so great. It's just that I don't think you think anyone else was better. or You don't think the machine behind it all has but hasn't been running forever. Like, I just don't believe that,
00:39:43
Speaker
the people that are actually in power were worse off because he's there. All these people like don't really, don't, I don't believe in like, I just think there's, ah just don't believe it. Believe that we're worse off because of him.
00:39:56
Speaker
Well, I shouldn't say that. That sounds bad, but I, but I just feel like i maybe, maybe I feel like the, I don't know if he, if he really has the influence to really change what's actually happening behind the scenes as much as we think.
00:40:10
Speaker
Well then that would mean that you have no capacity in your personal life to like adjust to change either. And like you're you're not gonna be able protect your kids from any of this shit. No capacity. The president has no impact on the on ah world affairs and on what's happening in the country, especially one that acts so fucking crazy.
00:40:30
Speaker
Things move move along through time for any president. and he And he was in office for for four years. And he says crazy shit, weird shit's happened. Policy has changed.
00:40:42
Speaker
But at the end of the day, like what, what changed him in our lives? I mean, the markets might've fluctuated. We had a ah global pandemic. So I don't know just him by himself is like cause for like, all right, him, him with AI together means the end of the world.
00:40:58
Speaker
Like I have more fear of like, uh, ah few like a few you know like tech companies have a crazy amount of power. I think that's more at risk with what's going on with AI than Trump. you know like A few real power brokers with and with more money than most nations.
00:41:14
Speaker
like I think that's more more worried about that than him, because he'll come and go. He might fuck things up for a few years, but he'll be gone soon. When he doesn't go? Well, that might change my idea of if he becomes Putin.
00:41:27
Speaker
Will you still be like, eh, dude, I don't know why you're worrying about this? At what point would you be worried? That's a pretty big like shift right there. i mean, that's like a big... Like if I was alive in 1940, I'd fucking probably be worried there's a world war going on. I wouldn't be just like, i don't care.
00:41:43
Speaker
Like if he if he actually stays in office and that actually happens, okay, well, that's like a pretty big shift shift in American culture that we haven't seen 200 years. yeah but there's been already an insane shift, dude.
00:41:55
Speaker
Like when when's the last time the president has gone directly after law firms, directly after universities? When have you seen some of this behavior? This isn't like liberal outrage.
00:42:07
Speaker
plucking people off the street. He's got the National Guard in a park where nobody's at right now in Los Angeles. No protesters, just fucking, they're in a park. National Guard Marines showing- Brute force.
00:42:20
Speaker
These are things that don't happen under the watch of, I think, sane people, man. So i there's cause for concern there. But my question would be is like, when do you start caring with any of this stuff?
00:42:31
Speaker
Let's say Bitcoin is like worth a billion dollars, $1 billion. dollars ah Yes. Do you do you think, oh well, that's weird. Did I ride it though? Did I ride it all the way or did get out at like... 500 mil? Did I get out at like a million?
00:42:46
Speaker
um Man, I don't know, dude. like I hear you. I hear all this stuff. I hear the concern, but i don't I don't know what it would take to get me to really start latching on to the news cycles and political decisions and stuff.
00:42:59
Speaker
i don't I don't know. Can't answer it, but I'm not trying to. Well, I just... i You just see some stuff sometimes where you're like, is that is that really what happened? Like LA, the LA stuff where he's sending in the National Guard. and like I mean, on that side of it, it's like... He never did? probably they probably over No, they he overreacted by it. I'm sure it was fine.
00:43:24
Speaker
you know but the was it I don't know what what was happening there, but I doubt it needed National Guard's attention. So let me ask you this. There's just a related question. So Meta, you know formerly known as Facebook, is offering people $100 million dollars to come over for its AI efforts from other companies.
Corporate Influence in AI Development
00:43:48
Speaker
He's he's luring away trying to lure away the top talent in AI.
00:43:52
Speaker
Does that concern you? $100 million dollar pay packages for that stuff. I mean, that but that's what I said. I think those companies, that they have more concern about them those companies more than like the political climate with Trump.
00:44:06
Speaker
All right. Because they are... Well, you do care about something. Well, that's more worrisome than like if you're worried about AI. like Come on. You're not worried about Trump. yeah He must be a right winger at heart, dude.
00:44:18
Speaker
You're not worried about the idiocy in his administration. He's surrounded by fucking...
00:44:26
Speaker
pieces of shit, dude. Fox news pieces of shit. Come on. Just give me concede that. Yeah. That's maybe not as ideal as some of the administration's. Not as ideal in the past, but it's, what do you want me to worry about?
00:44:42
Speaker
What do you want me to do about it? Ensuing chaos, like civil rights going down the drain. ah yeah, that kind of stuff, Matt, just cause you're in Costa Rica doesn't mean you don't care about your brothers up here.
00:44:57
Speaker
The only thing I have a little bit of faith in is if that happens and they and it just pushes too hard in that direction, that the American people will make a decision in a few years to to move in another direction.
00:45:09
Speaker
Like if if if it becomes so obvious that there's like civil rights abuses, there's ah the economy suffering because of it, our international relations are suffering because because I would hope that the American people would see that and vote for it.
00:45:24
Speaker
And if they don't, then it's hard for me to have empathy for for any of this because it's like, these are decisions that people, that's what they want. That's what people want there. The majority wants it and that's what they get. They get the what they deserve.
00:45:35
Speaker
So as long as stay out of that, the crosshairs of that, then I'm like, I mean, you guys voted for this fucking guy. And so I don't know, that's what people want. That's think you should get out of there. Well, what ah when when he reaches, you know, because I've talked about it, but if if he were to...
00:45:51
Speaker
advocate and then secure a third term, advocate for and then secure a third term. Would you? I mean, that would be kind of scary because that's not, but I mean, my ah other thing is like, if that happened, he'd be fucking, he'd be Trump and old as fuck.
00:46:07
Speaker
Like that would be, you imagine, what in six years? Let's just say, so he ran, how was he got? Three years left and that would be set. So seven years, he would be fucking 85, 86.
00:46:22
Speaker
It's pretty crazy. What, what, ah what, but what's your fear? If he, if he was able to, if he actually did this and and ran for office again, your fear would be like, he'd have absolute power. He'd be 86 and he'd be, he'd be basically like able to completely ruin, ruin the country.
00:46:40
Speaker
Well, I just think that first and foremost, the basis of what it means to be an American and what this country was founded on would be annihilated.
00:46:52
Speaker
But you're not worried it, no. So least you've- I am kind of worried about it and I'm trying to figure out if I can take Matt's approach and then I'm concluding after this conversation that maybe not. Well, gotta stop reading stuff.
00:47:04
Speaker
Yeah, I could stop reading. But you you're you're um you value being informed more than you value ah loosening your load. Yeah, well.
00:47:18
Speaker
I guess you're right. I mean, maybe I'm deep down right wing and maybe I don't see that what he's doing is that bad. Maybe that's at the base of it. Maybe, you might be. But you don't, would you, since this guy came onto the scene, and and you'll you'll probably say that you know he it was always there, he wasn't the catalyst.
00:47:37
Speaker
But do you feel as a deep down right winger that there has been more chaos? There has just been extra chaos with this man in our faces.
00:47:49
Speaker
Yeah. For the last 12 years. I just don't know. i just have a, I don't know if it's all him. I think that's like a societal direction. He's the result of it, not the cause of it. I guess that's really what, what we're, what we're arguing here. Do you think Kamala Harris would be acting like this?
00:48:05
Speaker
It's like, I think he's like du the CIA. do you do you think no do you Do you think she would that she would just be you know just another dirty politician? Trump's just like everyone. That she would be out here slinging tariffs left and right.
00:48:19
Speaker
think she'd be walking around talking talking about how she has a 9mm. Really? Yeah, she that. and yeah she did that she she's she I just remember the the the one thing that i the one time I watched her speak, her and the Minnesota guy were talking about how they both had guns and shit, and it felt like a little, why are you doing that?
00:48:41
Speaker
That's why I didn't vote for her, dude, because she fucking said, I have a gun. No, but I mean, why people voted for for they They had perceived like authenticity of this jacket. It's all it's always like, yeah, fucking he's an idiot, but at least he sticks to his guns or stuff like that.
00:49:01
Speaker
And I thought that was... ah like I thought they fucked that up. i don't i Honestly, do you do you have any handle on how Kamala would have been as a president? i don't know if anyone did or does. Well, I'll tell you. But not in comparison to Trump, just as herself.
00:49:17
Speaker
i don't I don't know, I would venture that the the chaos level would be much lower for your average American person. About to implement a bill, dude, that, well, they implemented a bill that's going to.
00:49:29
Speaker
Is that passed, like through the house or everything? It's passed, bro. That's gonna devastate lower income people for no reason and explode the deficit to levels.
00:49:41
Speaker
What do you think, what a like on some of the issues going on right now, ah what do you think she would have done like with Gaza, with Ukraine, with the deficit, Iran?
00:49:55
Speaker
You think she would have brought more stability to the to the conversation?
00:50:00
Speaker
and Oh, yeah. I think anyone. I think the guy down the street that works at fucking Circle K would have brought more stability to the situation. Yeah, good absolutely. Good guy, you're saying?
00:50:13
Speaker
I'm just saying. His head on his shoulders. Yeah, i I wonder, yeah, and I'm kind of like, and maybe she's obviously more like less, more outwardly stable and and doesn't shoot from the hip. But I'm like, does it fucking matter? Like, I don't even know if it would have mattered.
00:50:29
Speaker
You know, like the Gaza thing, like, would she have brought anything to the to the picture that, or is he bringing anything that changes, actually changes what's actually happening? That's kind of where I'm at when I say I don't care.
00:50:40
Speaker
yeah I doubt it. I doubt that there's no way that Kamala would have been like fixing the the issue in Gaza more than he has or less than he has. I don't think. Don't know.
00:50:52
Speaker
Don't know. But you know a sense of stability in a country and a sense of trustworthiness goes a long way. but It's better, ah yeah. I always have to go fishing for the most extreme to get you to care. What if Kamala came in and she...
00:51:05
Speaker
Actively went winaf when after all MAGA enthusiasts, all MAGA voters, and got voting records, rounded them up, shipped them off to El Salvador or wherever, somewhere somewhere else.
00:51:19
Speaker
Got rid of MAGA people, white people out of the country because you viewed them as a ah political threat. Would that concern you? Yeah. Why? Fuck that.
00:51:31
Speaker
I mean, it'd probably be cool. They'd probably be sending them down here, though. They're already here, spending their money in Costa Rica. I mean, if she's just rounding up citizens of the U.S., that would be concerning.
00:51:45
Speaker
Yeah. i don't I don't... if If what they're doing is enforcing actual laws right now, like rounding up illegal aliens, they have we have they have the right to do that. I think it's flawed in the fact that we've they you know recognize that we need most of those people.
00:52:04
Speaker
Are there other cases of legal aliens just being shipped or legal legal citizens in the United States just being shipped out of the country? There's a couple, but they're also trying to overturn i naturalization law, where if you're born here, you're a citizen.
00:52:21
Speaker
And they're trying to overturn that so they can send send children back. and But is it based is it based on the idea that you don't want people coming here illegally just so that they can have offspring that's a citizen?
00:52:35
Speaker
ah It's totally not understood as far as I know. I'm not sure what the thresholds are. you saying, because technically then all of us should be deported. I'd say a lot of stuff, but there's like political stuff and then you go, should all be deported because none we're not Native America except for you, dude.
00:52:52
Speaker
Cherokee, but the, but. Sue, I'm Sue. just think we get, like if you get too focused on Trump, then you go. It's not Trump, it's Stephen Miller. It's the people in his cabinet. Yeah, but it's his, like he's driving the policy and picking the cabinet.
00:53:07
Speaker
But if you go, you have an issue like, I think the way to handle this issue of securing the borders and and and illegal people being in our country. is is have a process for them to come in and just pay taxes and win or lose like everybody else.
00:53:22
Speaker
So they don't have to go through these, and leave you know make it so it doesn't take forever an expense and expensive. we need We need to appeal to poor immigrants as much as we do to rich immigrants. I think a lot of people probably would agree there's there's sort of a problem with illegal aliens coming to our country, and they're trying to address that.
00:53:39
Speaker
So what gets lost in Trump's nonsense is people are like, he's fucking just shipping people away, like in your your example of MAGA. well that Well, they are trying to ah address there are trying to address ah ah problem, problem.
00:53:51
Speaker
a united states problem and Yeah, and they had they've done. Yeah, I'll give credit that the border is more secure. So now what we won't have is a flood of people coming over the border, the southern border.
00:54:05
Speaker
Okay, so that's good. these issues, like if you get too caught up in Fox and Trump and then you lose sight to, well, there is an issue there. But there is a line. in it ah There's a fucking line. So if you're going to go after naturalized U.S. citizens,
00:54:17
Speaker
And I don't know the details of but they are. The the Justice Department wants to go after naturalized U.S. citizens who were born in America and deport them. That is fundamentally protected in our Constitution.
00:54:30
Speaker
That's a line. Why not then when Kamala or the next Democrat gets in office, we just go after MAGA? Go after anybody who's worn a MAGA hat. If I have a picture of you wearing in a fucking MAGA hat, you are a threat to this society. We're going to ship you off.
00:54:44
Speaker
you're the You're the enemy. I'm going to demonize you. I'm going to make you the issue in this country. That's what talking about. like this This isn't just solving problems. This is... Psycho.
00:54:58
Speaker
Very psycho. i just won Very cruel. Well, I think i know you'd probably be able to differentiate, but if that happened, the MAGA thing, even though you probably think it'd be nice follow MAGA people in a way, you'd probably be like, that's ridiculous, right? like um she's the eye i'd be out in the street I'd be out in the streets protesting.
00:55:20
Speaker
I would be out in the streets protesting because that's fucking wrong. it straight up wrong, just like I did for this shit that's happening now. Yeah, I mean, I hope the, well, I don't know. I mean, the i'd like the right way to do it, I still think the right way to do is like if you're in now, you're in and then develop a process for this not to not to happen.
00:55:41
Speaker
Like people are gonna go, you know, they're coming here illegally. They're giving birth for free. They're not paying for it. And then they like, there's an issue there and people are doing something technically illegal. So you're fucking the, you're fucking the people that are, that are the result of it. But at the same time, the way they got there is, is kind of screwy. No, 40% of people that are farm workers are illegal immigrants.
00:56:04
Speaker
If they've been here paying taxes, they've lived lived here, they had a baby. Now we're going to round them up. Their baby's a US citizen. Their child, their five-year-old child is US citizen. it's but it's But that's a hard thing that, it's not just like fuck Trump. It's also like, there's ah that somebody's, people are gonna, if you actually try to try to address this, people are gonna get hurt.
00:56:28
Speaker
Family's gonna get ripped apart. and Just stop, okay. co Define a line though. Just define a reasonable line. my My line would be, If you're here, if you're born here, you are, if you're born here, you're, you're, and you don't have any criminal, criminal background, you're, you can stay.
00:56:51
Speaker
Moving forward, because you have to, you have to discourage people from doing, they're gonna keep doing it. So you have to set line, it's like, if, on this day, if you're born here to an illegal, you don't have citizenship.
00:57:03
Speaker
That seems fair, right? So you tell people that's not gonna work. Like that might be extreme, but if you're trying to get people stop doing that, and there's probably a financial, you know, a financial toll on the United States by people being born here, because I doubt these people are rolling in, dropping 10 grand on their, that's where, if you ask me where my line would be, that would be where I put the line. Okay, but that's not the reasonable policy-like type discussion that's happening, man.
00:57:29
Speaker
It's just straight Well, do agree that might be a way to address it? It could be naturalized people that are already naturalized and then give, and then go, all right, you got lucky. Sure, sure. Because I know millions and millions of people are trying to sneak into our borders just to pop a baby out that puss.
00:57:49
Speaker
But no, no, it's a reasonable policy consideration. I'm sure there's a lot. I don't know if it's millions, but um wouldn't you? Fuck, if you're really fucked. Like i when I used to work at, you probably met, you know, those Mexican guys we worked with at Bennett's, they're making like 30 bucks a month. No, but they're making 30 bucks a month in factories in Mexico before they got here. I get all that, but dude, it's not like the healthcare.
00:58:11
Speaker
Well, it's not like you're coming here for the great healthcare. Okay. Like it's a, it's cheaper in their home country. Just trying to get born knowing that kids will get citizenship. That's it. It's like, that's it. That's worth the risk. Okay.
00:58:25
Speaker
It is, and you can stop that by securing the borders. I agree with that. Well, I think you've got- And if you wanna with policy that actually prevents people from being born illegals, from becoming a US citizen, they still have to go through the same process as somebody who is sitting across from the border seeking to become a citizen, fine. You can deport them right away, deport the whole family.
00:58:46
Speaker
That's fine, but that's- Dog as well. That's not how it works right now. That's not the law. So go through the process to change the law, and then we can talk. Well, my only point all this is like there is probably some work that needs to be done, and and you probably disagree with how they're choosing to do it.
00:59:04
Speaker
But it's not – I don't think it's the it's a fair comparison the MAGA thing cause it's not like they're trying to address a portion the population that either got here illegally or they're descendants of people that got here. But it's laws at the end of the day, and the law says that that person that kid was born here. And you're you're thinking about probably the – Most straightforward example, right? Somebody came across, they had the baby, and now they have that they came here for that reason specifically. I'm talking about people came here to work.
00:59:35
Speaker
People been here for years. They have a kid. Maybe some of them have been here 20, 25 years. Yeah, he's gonna round them up. They're basically Americans. Exactly. So MAGA, they're basically Americans. Some of them committed crimes. The people that stormed the Capitol who are all pardoned.
00:59:53
Speaker
Why can't I take them out of this country? Because we have fucking laws, that's why. We have fucking laws. If we don't wanna believe in the law, then let's not believe in the law, we can have the next democratic president be a fucking psycho, just like this guy's being.
01:00:07
Speaker
So there's cause for concern. Trump is not like other presidents. He's not like Reagan. You're never gonna be able to convince me that what he's doing doesn't have horrible consequences for the country and for the world.
01:00:20
Speaker
You'll never be able to convince me that. That he's done as much controversial shit as Reagan? Or he's done less? No, he's he is a horrible human being that has no business leading a country.
01:00:35
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i think if you dive into some of Reagan's policies, you'll realize he had some pretty bad shit going on. Yeah, nothing. Especially in this part of the world and you realize like what are his policies meant to some of these countries, which you know in a way caused a lot of the problems that now they're they're trying to deal with now.
01:00:51
Speaker
Like, the I mean, you look at some the Central American countries that- they' But you're back to false equivalency. you you if You just can't acknowledge that Trump is probably the worst political figure in our lifetime and even 100 years before.
01:01:08
Speaker
It's so obvious, but there's something there's something where there's that right wing gene that's like, no. I just think there's some, I think it's naive to think that he's he's so much worse than some of these other politicians we've had.
01:01:22
Speaker
Okay, okay. Naive, really? I mean, 100%. Like if you look at um Joe Biden, compare him to Joe Biden.
01:01:34
Speaker
You know what I think about him, dude. Just fucking create an Excel spreadsheet right now and fucking list off all of the horrible fucking things do as Joe Biden did. All the horrible things he did this last four years.
01:01:46
Speaker
Compare them side by side to Trump's actions. but i'm I'm sure you'll find that Joe Biden was way worse. Yeah. Please, fool. but Yeah. Yeah, but okay.
01:01:57
Speaker
While Biden was in office, what happened? There's a war broke out in the Ukraine. like Shit still happened. I don't know what you know bad shit still happened outside of the presidency of the US.
01:02:10
Speaker
It had nothing to with him. and It doesn't have do with Trump, like whether he's good or bad. i just i don't know. and think all stuff is going to keep happening like regardless. i don't have I'm not holding Trump responsible for the war in Ukraine.
01:02:24
Speaker
Now the guy said he'd end it in one day. so So I can be like, okay, where's that? Yeah, I mean, he should be called out for that. Okay, great. I'm not holding him responsible for those things that happen all around the world. i did Just like I wouldn't hold any person. But when you heard that, when when he was like paul like ro saying that on the campaign trail, you immediately were like, that's not it that's not ah ah executable action.
01:02:52
Speaker
Like that's a political fucking lie. And my my thing is like, we've been listening to those political lies on the on the campaign trail forever. Like, may you could argue that it's bigger or smaller, but yeah I'm sure you could do a search on like, even Biden, shit he said on the campaign trail that didn't happen or wasn't true. I'm just asking you, is- But that's why buy I can't care or feel worse about it. Is Biden, you're you're afraid to concede to the fact that Trump,
01:03:23
Speaker
creates more chaos for the country and the world than your regular president. Okay. I mean, come on. It does. If, if you're, i don't know. I mean, it's not creating more chaos for me.
01:03:39
Speaker
i say that I don't know if it has for you either. I think people, ah people like my brother actually, who had a job related to like the court system,
01:03:50
Speaker
They came in one day were like, you're all fired. And then they him another job. it was all part of mu bullshit and downsizing the government. It did affect him directly. Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:01
Speaker
And a lot more people given actions being taken. But there are some just straight up disruptive actions. Yeah. But I also lost my job for no no particular reason.
Trump's Influence and Leadership
01:04:13
Speaker
During the Biden administration. Exactly. But it had nothing to with Biden or Trump. No, it had everything to do with Biden. yeah The whole system is fucked up, dude.
01:04:25
Speaker
Yeah, but okay, great. Not just him. Okay, I know, but he's the worst is what I'm saying. He is the worst. He's the worst. This isn't a liberal thing. that He's just the worst. He's the worst human being.
01:04:37
Speaker
This is not a leader you would want in your life. This is not a human being you would want to rely on. Would you want to rely on him for anything important in your life? Would you rely on him to figure out how to take care of your kids?
01:04:48
Speaker
Would you rely on him for anything important? No. I mean, I'm not, I don't know. It's hard. It's hard to say it's, it sounds like I'm dodging it, but it's hard for me to go. i think I'm not sitting there going, I think Trump is amazing.
01:05:02
Speaker
I also don't see, I mean, I just don't see what he's doing is like, is I just don't think that dude, just don't think that much is really going happen with him.
01:05:13
Speaker
I don't even know, like, i want I wish I could get into like ah like a real like a community that might harbor a lot of illegal aliens or people that are, are what what do you call them, naturalized or should be, and actually see what's happening.
01:05:26
Speaker
Because I do think there's some grandstanding there a little bit. like I wonder how many people, like the numbers on who's being deported and if everyone's like constantly under surveillance now. like i doubt I also doubt that the federal government has the money or manpower to actually do any of this crap.
01:05:41
Speaker
well right Well, I'll tell you that they they're they're doing a fine job. I'll tell you what I hope, and this is coming from an angry, angry. Yeah, you' you've gone the other way, dude.
01:05:53
Speaker
I'm closing it up. You've gone the other way with this, bro. This is what I hope. I hope MAGA and everybody who voted for Trump This sounds sarcastic.
01:06:04
Speaker
I hope they fucking suffer. I hope that those of them that are on Medicaid lose their Medicaid and they got to figure out how to help get health care. I hope those of them who own small businesses who need to get health care through evil Obama's Affordable Care Act.
01:06:21
Speaker
can't do it because now it's too expensive it's there are no more um subsidies if you're making a certain amount over the federal poverty line i hope that they lose health care i hope they don't have insurance that their children can't get care that they go bankrupt and can't work their way out of it because no jobs i hope that charities don't step up to fill the need for snap and food assistance And I hope those people go hungry, especially if they're MAGA, all MAGA people. I want all of them to suffer.
01:06:57
Speaker
So I want red states to really feel it. I agree for the exact fact that that would get that would lead to real change. Hold on, I'm not finished. I hope that MAGA business owners get crushed by tariffs. I hope that for those that are importing goods from other countries, that they get fucking crushed and they lose their businesses and go bankrupt. I hope MAGA farmers can't sell their goods and they get crushed and they go out of business.
01:07:26
Speaker
And I finally, I hope that MAGA farmers who know people that have been in this country illegally paying taxes, paying social security and working, feel the pain when that person is ripped out of their lives and sent off to a third party country, not even their home country.
01:07:46
Speaker
So I hope MAGA gets fucked beyond belief.
01:07:51
Speaker
How's that for not caring? How is that for not caring?