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Health Anxiety
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The "pieces" talk about their susceptibility to internet health recommendations. Communist Lance blames capitalism again.
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Self-Diagnosis and Health Anxiety
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I'm POS.
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Went to the internet to self-diagnose.
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Don't really know, but maybe I've thrombosis. Now I'm gonna eat a giant spoonful of cinnamon.
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Two more hours later and there's blood in my stool. This is better than dying.
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Fuck yeah. Dying. Fucking cinnamon.
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what What are you doing? You hear that? ah'm meeting my I'm eating two raw garlic cloves per dia, per day, because I read i read in that and in a 30-second Google search that it's healthy and good for your heart.
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That's as far as I i dug in. I might have got a message from like WebMD, and I was like, I'm running with it. Well, hold up. Wow, that burns. Well, hold up. Damn. Why are you worried about this? Fuck.
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what Do you have heart issues? Do you have, like, does your family have issues, heart issues? Does anyone's family not? Well, I mean, genetically, do you have family members with specific heart issues?
Family History and Health Goals
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That's probably just a prod, I think my dad might have, I mean, i guess yes. The answer is yes.
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Like, I think my both my grandparents had, um both my grandpas had heart attacks. My grandma might have, my dad, I think is on some medication, but he's super healthy for his age, I would say.
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And are you worried about your health? Is this like something that like you get anxious about and you're like, oh, I'll try this? Well, I think i i think i I kind of decided that I want to be as much as I can, like the best shape of my life when I turn 50. Like not just body, but everything. Emotionally, physically, whatever. If I go get a blood test, my cholesterol looks good.
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My... The most important, obviously, is tea. My tea is over 6,000, so I'm just banging testosterone. But ah yeah, like financially.
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so But i'd like to I'd like to just eat healthy for a couple of years, like really healthy and see if it's all bullshit or if to see if I feel better. Whatever. everything Everything works better.
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You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Uh-huh. Yes, I do. So you're trying things. and this But this seems like one with some consequences. It'd be hard to be around you for like two hours after you. Dude, have you ever eaten? I don't understand.
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Maybe I'm wrong. But no first of all, no one's complained. Second all, it's not that bad to eat two cloves of garlic. Everyone acts like it's like you're going to be fucking breathing fire and your stomach's... It's like nothing happens at all.
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Well, I don't know that many people have the self-confidence to tell someone their breath's bad. I think people are also used to that garlic smell after going out to dinner and they smell it on their family members or Is that an Italian joke?
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Being racist. I don't know, dude. It sticks to my wife. like She eats garlic and it's it's nasty coming out of her pores, dude. But is it a bad smell for you or is it like is it just noticeable? are you like, get the fuck away from me? I don't like it.
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don't like it, but I know what it is. So it's, it's not as scary to me as some random sort of dead skunk cat smell coming out of somebody's mouth. So I know what it is, but just curious if you thought about that.
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Well, would you, would you, write yeah, I mean, I'll probably brush, I'll probably eat after I brush my teeth, but I usually do, I try to do everything in the morning. So I try to get like a lot of good shit in the
Online Health Trends and Information Overload
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morning.
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But the the reality, well, I didn't turn off the the alerts, but the reality is like, i I could run wild. I probably could run wild. The kind of way you said you run wild with with financial stuff and really digging in deep.
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I could run wild with online ah online advice of what a way to be sort of naturally healthy. and And that's kind of a trend right now, right? With this like foods and what's healthy sort of stuff that RFK is talking about. and but you're not really on social media.
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Part of what happened is like I had to get back on social media because of the, uh, because of my work. And then I, and now all my feeds are like Pete, like I'll go in there to do something for the slabs and I'll get like eight messages about how drinking apple cider vinegar is like great for your heart or blood pressure something like that.
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And I'm just like, okay. Right. And I'm like, all right, is that better than, is that like eating two cloves of garlic, albeit painful? um Is that better than like going, I might as well just take a, ah what is it? A lipid? what Like, I don't know if you're on cholesterol medicine, but but whatever, a statin? Is that what it is for like blood pressure or something? like what's you know is it better It's better to grind out eating kale and spinach and garlic and all this crap than just take a statin.
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Yeah, but your behavior in trying these things or being interested in it, is it stemmed from an actual health anxiety or health risk? Or are you just like sort of food curious?
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Um, I'm not, I'm trying to think if I had like, I mean, I never, I had, if you take your, I think I got one, one, like maybe eight years ago I had, I got like a super high blood pressure test and it was like, like you have to get it for, for it to get your license.
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But it was, i was not in a good state. I think I was like, I was partying maybe. I think I went in there like pounding a diet Coke. had some like medicine. mean, I probably had high blood pressure, but, but then I started monitoring it and then I went to a cardiologist and he was like, no, you're good. I took like an EKG or something and he was like, you're fine. But I think that stuff fluctuates.
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Yeah. But I know that you're not going to get like, you're not just naturally going to get your blood pressure is not going to go down as you get older. Right. So, so now that we're getting close to 50, you probably should, whether you think you have a problem or not, should probably try to be healthy.
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Yeah. yeah So it's more like that, but, but like, I mean, you know what I've been doing. Like, I don't like I went surfing this weekend. I was out in the water forever. I felt I felt good. I don't feel like tired or short of breath or any of sort of warning signs that they they say.
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So I'd like to keep that going. Mm hmm. OK, so you have a reason. And what makes you believe what you read, bro? Because like, I mean, there seems like there's other things to do besides Mao on garlic cloves.
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that's That's why we're here, isn't it? That's why we're having this episode. How do you... why'm mask what What do you believe that shit for?
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i don't know. Actually, that's a good point. But where do you start? Like, okay, do you feel better? If you read it on WebMD, do you feel better than if you read it on like a YouTube star?
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You know, or someone who's like, lower cholesterol now, like with lemon juice and... Ginger, like just because it's on WebMD you know, like the the Mayo, what is it? The ah thing up in Minnesota, the Mayo Clinic, like they they'll put shit out and stuff like that. Like, do you, I mean, how, why do you believe that exercising is better for you than not exercising?
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Because probably because you saw some result, right? Like there's something tangible there. Well, think it's an interesting topic in that there's there's personal experience, but there are some things that and have over the decades been validated that if you do, I don't know, I worked in healthcare. care So it's obvious that exercise as, you know, through double blind I don't know how they actually they test. Okay. See, there we go.
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so now we're going, how do you you, you think double blind is what gets you going? Like a medical test or like a- Double blind medical trials are proven to be the only way to have a definitive understanding of the effects other than your own personal experience.
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So I give validity to both of those. Well, let's talk about each. And who, but who has to do it for you to believe it? um research scientists, actually people who are trained in research.
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Are you talking about
Skepticism Towards Pharmaceuticals and Capitalism
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like a pharmaceutical company? Yeah, independent research company or providers like, you know, physicians and other physician researchers.
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But no, not, I'm not going to take Pfizer's word for it. Yeah, Pfizer's going to come out with the health benefits of opioids. No. Right. Well, that's kind of but I'm almost, I'm kind of like mocking myself. Like,
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I don't know why, but why would i why would I trust some dude on YouTube or like a Google search more than Pfizer, you know, to a point where like they they probably have created a cholesterol medicine that's that's probably helped a lot of people.
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But I would steer away from it as as much as I possibly could unless I had to take it. And i'm like, I don't, it's kind of weird. Like why, ah why do i not trust them? Well, there's secondary effects to their their medications too that not a lot of people want.
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And I don't know what all of them are. i just know that you know you take some of the stuff my dad takes really has a way of making him devout, devout fundamental Christian.
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Yeah. Well, it just doesn't do well for her his, his body function, but that's a good joke. It's good joke. I'll cut that out. does Yeah. But like, so you were in the industry, but, and you would, you, you, you've dealt with doctors and you trusted, you trusted those people.
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And yeah and like it's like, where do you, I mean, you trust like these like holistic doctors. a lot of people think that's a load of shit. Like maybe eating garlic is nonsense. No, I don't mind somebody who's what they call a DO o and they do a little more holistic training. They do a little chiropractic.
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What is that? I don't know what that term is. it's It's a type of physician. For a while there, it wasn't very well respected, but they did a little extra training to sort of look at the body more holistically.
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And I can't speak in an educated way about a lot of this health stuff, so bear with me. But like I trusted the system that I worked in because it was a not-for-profit and there was an incentive to like provide care that was clinically validated, that worked.
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And so theyre exercise, all we what what comes up? Exercise, a healthy diet, mostly plant-based, and then please don't smoke.
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and and try to limit your alcohol consumption. Those are the primary things that would come up in people's like lifestyle assessment. If you could avoid those, you're probably going to be healthy. Now, everything else that we read about or that we're sold on, it's like...
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out there on the fringes. And here's my take, which will be the theme for Lance in this episode is capitalism again, does such a fantastic fucking job of attacking our vulnerabilities that in this space of wanting to feel healthy, of wanting to be better, they can sell us almost anything.
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And I'll give you some history on that from what I recently read. But like, dude, I try to go to a source that says, look, it's our job to try to keep the population as healthy as possible.
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and an organization that that bears the brunt of not keeping their population healthy. So the company I work for, I felt like fit that bill. The health care Keep population healthy.
00:11:36
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Yeah. Keeping the population healthy is in their best interest because the way that they're paid, it's basically, you know you could argue, well, they they might withhold treatment, but the way that they're paid incentivize them to keep people healthy in a preventative way versus just treat, treat, treat, do procedure, procedure, procedure.
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So I look at what they were advocating for. Is it validated? And that's probably my source. but But I also am subjected to my own personal experience.
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And I think here's the thing that's tricky, right? It's like, what works for you? You might like eat these garlic cloves and like shit's great. And you feel great and you feel energized and you do it the rest of your life.
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I don't know. I can't take that away from anybody. 60 over 30 for the rest of my life. Yeah.
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Yeah, so you have a little bit of like, what's in it for the people publicizing it and then and then just your own personal, like, i did I did this and I feel better. And that's enough. Yeah, because it's such a head, it's it's such head games now and people are selling such bullshit.
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All the way back to the multivitamin, dude. And you know who started the multivitamin? Some dickhead through direct marketing, Neutralite, fucking ultimately ended up partnering with Amway.
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Ultra religious, hold up, ultra religious freaks who are out there selling the dream of perfect health through these vitamins. Honestly, I've never had a doctor tell me you should take a multivitamin.
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And I don't research this stuff, so I'm talking out of my ass. But like I've heard that your body has a trouble your body has trouble absorbing that. A body that's already eating a decent diet has trouble absorbing that stuff.
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So that that industry, though, is effing huge. It sold a dream of health, like preying on people's anxieties. It's like growing by a second. And it's, but it's expanding to every year there's some new trend and and some absurdity. This has been going on, dude, since the 1800s. Or probably way before.
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People selling miracle cures because it's like we need to, we want to buy it. And especially people who are really vulnerable. they're They're so susceptible to that. So that's my biggest
AI in Healthcare and Longevity Lifestyles
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concern with this shit, dude. but Well, my, see, that that's the, that's where I'm at. Like, so it's just growing out of control and it can't all be true. But like,
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Is there any party that goes, whoa, there has to be some advancements in science and technology and and understanding the body. And now you can you can get a blood test that might reveal deficiencies. And and now because of that, I think there's another test that people want you to do, but like ah you can fix it.
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Like people are like, well, you can fix these problems without, like you can fix them. It might be through a supplement. It might be through through medication. It might like you can fix them. So you should take advantage of that. yeah is Is any of it true? advancement where you're like, well, that actually is true. They have a way to treat this now that's better, and so you should do it. like Or is it just like the old fucking thing of hard work, eating right, exercise, getting your rest, and and not getting fucked up is really all all it is No, I think there's something to be said about advanced genomics and the future of that and using using AI to like understand opportunities of improvement and in ah in a human body or a specific human body, like for you, for Matt.
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there That's there. I just don't see it being implemented in the medical industry quite yet for most of us to to take advantage of it. So what happens is some schmo on TikTok or wherever comes and sells us a version of that or a story and we buy it because we need it. Man, we want to feel good desperately.
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Shit. We're in a fucking, we're in a world that's like built around productivity and optimization. And what did you do yesterday? And what'd you do today? And why do I feel tired? And why do I feel sad?
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And like, I can be hit by any number of people and, And next thing you know, i'm I've got to fucking squeeze lemon juice in a cup in the morning followed by like turnips, raw turnips.
00:15:41
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And then I get it. Actually, by the way, can, if you think about it, your lawn grass is good for you and just people making stuff up or trying things. And, What are they selling?
00:15:51
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So some of them are just selling content and then they're supported by ads behind it. And that's one piece of it. That's what's kind of scary now. yeah It's like a secret. They're not selling anything. You're like, oh, it feels good. But you're like, oh, they're just getting followers because the they're selling themselves as a marketable thing, right?
00:16:08
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Yeah, totally. I'm down with like hearing somebody share their personal experience. So like the people that were all cool about the ice bath. And then someone came along and tried to validate the benefits of taking an ice bath and how great it was. And I'm sure there's some benefits just like when you ice your swollen foot to decrease inflammation.
00:16:29
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But most of us don't need to take an ice bath to have good health. 250 degree sauna to 33 degree ice bath. Yeah, I might indulge that.
00:16:41
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Well, when somebody's like coming up with some wild new juice called like Orange Extreme, this is made from pure orange rinds and we grind it up for six weeks and let it ferment.
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And then we dry, they come up with this elaborate story and then we feed it through a strainer, patented strainer that we made here at Extreme Orange.
00:17:06
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This will be proven to help your back. Grass-fed oranges. It's surprising to me how often people will buy any of this stuff. Why network marketing? Why direct selling of these health products in particular ah have so much religiosity and so much support?
00:17:24
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for these miracle cures, these things are running through the churches, dude. These health things that you're susceptible to, that Matt is susceptible to, they run through the religious community for some reason. I find it fascinating.
00:17:36
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But no, dude, I don't believe any of these motherfuckers. What do you believe? Okay, have have you... so Let's get off like the the sort of miracle solution. But if you if you read, did you ever read any those books like The Blue Zones and any of that stuff? Where the guy went around and found the the the areas of the world that have the most ah people that have lived 100 years old and just went over what, I mean, he had it he sold books and a show to Netflix, but he's basically just showing people what they were doing.
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Yeah. Like the Japanese and the Greeks. it doesn't one and There's a place in Costa Rica too. And like, do you but the what do you get make of that? You think it's nonsense? Are you like, okay, these are some some good principles. so Like,
00:18:20
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I think that's some actual decent longitudinal research. It's maybe circumstantial in the sense that like, are we going to be able to recreate that in fucking Denver, Colorado with smog spewing in my fucking face every day? Like, I don't know.
00:18:36
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For 900 bucks at grocery bills Whole Foods. But perhaps if I go drink like a, you know, six ounces of wine and some Greek olives every day or whatever, try to replicate, that would help me.
00:18:48
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I think mostly it would psychologically help me. assuming I'm not transitioning from the shittiest Burger King diet ever to one of these solutions. If I was already eating decently and exercising, and then I transitioned to one of these blue zone solutions, I don't know what the net effect would be. So not totally sold on all this, but.
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No, I think
Dietary Control and Aging
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you're right. the The idea is like, it's probably not what the person did, but it forced them to control themselves of some other bad thing. And that's really what happened. more than like, oh, I'm on a strict seventh day at this nut diet or something. like that they Yeah, it's like, oh, well you just made a decision to be healthy, like anybody does and then they're healthy, right?
00:19:30
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Something like that, yeah. But it's good, good. those are those are Those are interesting stories. But my sense of somebody that seeks out like garlic cloves is they're looking for a sense of control in ah in a world that's naturally full of toxicity and naturally full of pollution and things outside of our control. Genetics.
00:19:51
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You think I'm after that? Well, think all of us are, dude. Yeah. I just think like if I mean, garlic, it's no secret that like people have been talking about garlic's benefits for forever. Right. Like I'm just like kind of at a point where I'm like, ah you know what?
00:20:06
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It's pretty easy just to eat some garlic. I don't have to think about a great recipe or anything. It's like I could just eat some. So i'm like, oh, I need some greens. I'm just going to plow through some kale and spinach and arugula every day.
00:20:17
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I'm just going to hammer it. I don't I don't need to make it like a sweet meal or enjoy it like I'm in the Mediterranean island of Crete. just like I'm just going to hammer it. Yeah. So i'm just kind of taking shit that we already know, which is like, hey, vegetables are good and I'm just going to eat them.
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Garlic's good. going to eat them. I think that's good. It might be control, but also it's you can almost chalk it up to laziness where it's like I'm not trying to figure anything out. It's like this seems like an easy way to be healthy. So I got to do is tear through a couple pieces of of garlic without without offending anyone within 10 feet of me with my breath and shit.
00:20:52
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I honestly think if you are exercising regularly, you're eating decently healthy, which based on what you described, you are, and you're managing stress effectively, that's pretty damn good.
00:21:07
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And everything else is you're probably getting sold on some nonsense. I don't know that you need the garlic, but if you like garlic, fucking go for it. Well, that's a strong... take I like eating raw garlic like well I don't know man but I can do it you make pizzas so don't know bro yeah but it tastes great when you cook it and it's like oh that's fucking that's pussy bro to cook cook garlic and have it taste good uh uh that's not that's about sacrifice but part of what it what I got into this was like when I was up in St. Louis and working like 15 hour days I just kept it real easy like every day I was eating the same like four or five things and I actually was like I feel pretty good
00:21:45
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Like in what way do you feel good though? Well, I was handling these 15 hour days without like feeling very lethargic. I actually think I lost some weight, but but that's probably just like from busting my ass, you know, stress.
00:21:57
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Like you lose weight when you get stressed, like good stress, but stress. And who knows what, what I, what I was depriving my body that, that made it burn fat or burn muscle, whatever it was doing to get me to lose weight.
00:22:10
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I mean, not like a ton. I was only up there for three and a half, four weeks, but. I mean, every day I was eating kale, spinach, beets, sweet potato, and then either like trout or like a lean ground beef, basically all day.
00:22:25
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And then fruits, strawberries, peaches, bananas, and oranges. And give that's good, man. I mean, that gives you a sense of, I think that is a psychological boost in of itself. It's like, I see healthy food, I'm eating healthy food, and I'm like, I'm going to feel better mentally because of it.
00:22:44
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I should write a book, right? That's how I should capitalize it or become like ah a, what do you call it? Yeah. but How St. Louis taught me to eat healthy. Yeah. And I do a review.
00:22:55
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Yeah. Stupid. People might be like, that's ridiculous and not sustainable. But, but, uh, I just, it's like hard to decipher now. What's it's just, you know, it's the same shit. I'm like talking to my kids about like not getting online too much or believing everything you see, but then I'm like,
00:23:13
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huh someone comes on and says they have like exactly what you said maybe not to the point where they're grind doing whatever their space age technology on orange grinds but people are like oh these things together will help you lower your blood pressure like there's shit like that all over the place or whatever or stress or uh inflammation like people talk about inflammation a lot now it's always the same shit it's like ginger lemon juice uh ah garlic and you're like maybe that shit's real it's like it's hard now to decipher what's real but i but you could just come in and it's not hard to decipher it's the same it's always been as like be active don't eat a lot of processed crap and everything will probably be fine but when you're active aren't you creating information
00:23:56
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Yeah, I mean, that's like you're working out, you're tearing down. You're supposed to be like tearing down and hurting your body, right? So that it can rebuild itself back up stronger. ah so that that word in itself just always, I'm always a little suspicious of.
00:24:08
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But who am I to say if like something makes someone feel better? i just know, and there are people close in my family and people I know that are mixing up lots of little serums and have pillboxes like supplements, just tons of shit.
00:24:28
Speaker
And I just like, why? And then I see what else they're eating. And I'm like, those don't go together. Yeah. So you can't fix the other thing with this thing is kind of. No. Yeah.
00:24:40
Speaker
Well, you can't fix it for I don't think you can fix it with vitamins and different things anyway. You might need to supplement if you have an actual deficiency and maybe you go to a natural path or you go to a they take your blood and they actually do some analysis and see you need.
00:24:54
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need little more calcium or something like that. Or maybe you're of a certain age where people benefit from a certain supplement. I'm all fine with all that, dude. It's just the the selling and the I see how vulnerable we all are. And I've done it myself, but like the sense of control, I'm going to take this.
00:25:10
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And then they told me to take this. And then before you know it, I've seen somebody in my family popping six to eight pills every morning of rando shit. And then anytime something comes up,
00:25:23
Speaker
they have some specialty or some weird fucking thing for it. I guess that that makes you feel better, but I don't think it works because they put some shit on me after I like got, don't know, I got scraped up walking through the woods and I'm just like, this stuff is stupid.
00:25:37
Speaker
Yeah. that i Well, you kind of answered it but I was going to say, do they seem healthier or like, are they doing the other work though too? like I said, the fundamentals of health are exercise, good diet, managing stress. And so you can't always manage stress, right?
00:25:56
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Like it's not always in your control. The other two are. And like, I see most people neglecting the first two, dude. Yeah. And there's a little bit of like, I mean, with like that stress, for example, like you said, okay, life is stressful.
00:26:10
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You can't manage it all the time. Like it's going to like right now, if some, if your kid called you and something happened or it's stressful and you shouldn't be like, ah, it's okay. I've taken my magnesium. So it's like, it's fine.
00:26:23
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Everything's good. Like you should, yeah, you're going to be, there's going to be anxiety and stuff, but also like, yeah, there's, there's like, we, we try to, or there's also just the idea of getting older is what it is.
00:26:34
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We're fighting against that a lot. Right, and isn't it scary? It is scary because your genetics come to roost, dude. they they You can't escape them. Like if you have heart disease in your family, you gotta think about it.
00:26:46
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What would you do? i don't know if you have in your family, but like I just told you, I think both my grandparents had, my grandpas had heart attacks. Would you be like, I should look for a pharmaceutical solution now? So I can live a long life or would you be doing what I'm doing?
00:26:59
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I would probably make sure I'm getting regular checkups, but I would eat healthy. I would do this stuff you're doing. Yeah. I don't know if I would move to the garlic. What I mean, um I definitely eat healthy and exercise. but That was just a pump to show up, dude. It was just a ah content creating tactic.
00:27:17
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No, I would do that, but I have that i have the fear. what What I've come to like accept, I think is that, Despite our best efforts. I mean, you could be a marathoner and and still have a heart attack.
00:27:30
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and People are dying all the time. i don't know you know. After I made the stupid cancer dick joke, I i thought that maybe I'd get cancer this week. And you know I'm worried about all that stuff just like anybody. like I'll piss like three or four times after drink three cups of coffee and I think I have a major prostate issue, but it turns out I just drank A gallon of coffee. soccer ball down there in your drawers through the prostitute. Well, definitely. It grows. For all of us, it grows.
00:27:59
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but like we don't you know We don't know. We all want to feel good. And we're vulnerable. And we are getting older, which makes it even worse. so i've I've seen some family members start to take so many weird things as they age.
00:28:13
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And I guess if it makes them feel better, go for it. But I just don't want to see people getting sold. And then some of these things, they don't know the consequences of. Like the guys that were pumping all that the extra tea, testosterone, some of them had some sick side effects, dude.
00:28:26
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if If like, I don't know, whatever trusted source, like the Cleveland Clinic, in combination with the BBC, in combination with with some fucking non-for-profit group, came up with the idea that that ah increasing your testosterone naturally is is good for you?
00:28:45
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Would you do it? Are you like, it's not natural because it goes down with age and that's just the way it is? Or would you be like, okay, I'll take a look at that. I'd say if I am associated with the trusted healthcare care organization and they start recommending stuff.
00:29:01
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So for a while there, they were recommending a colonoscopy after the age of like 50 something and they lowered it. And so I got it earlier because I figured they lowered it because of medical research and seeing increased incidence of colon cancer.
00:29:21
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So like, as for that yeah, things like that, i will, I will ah try to adhere to. Do I follow all the guy? Like, I don't even go to the doctor, be honest with you very much. I need to go and probably take my blood or something like that just to double check. But like, I don't know.
00:29:35
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I feel fine, but that's not the point. I think we're going to get older and something's going to fuck us up. I got it backwards, dude. I like, I won't go the doctor until I'll be like, I'm going to go the doctor.
00:29:47
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so I'm going to get crazy tight on everything instead of like going and seeing what's wrong and then go backwards. I'm like I'm going to show that motherfucker, but I haven't been a doctor in like forever.
00:29:59
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You should probably go, dude, and get your blood pressure, get your basic labs and get that stuff. Just at at our age, you want to just double check.
00:30:11
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but I have some fear that all these doctors are just like, no, you should you should we should medicate. like They're on the take too because there are some quick trigger doctors that are just like, no, you should medicate.
00:30:23
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I would think in a semi-socialized healthcare system, they wouldn't do that. Well, yeah, but you go to, for that type of stuff, you probably go to a private doctor just for quickness. But I mean, i probably, i probably could, could go ahead and get, get like a checkup or something through the, through the healthcare care system. Oh, fuck. What is it?
00:30:43
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Reminds I should probably, I should need to go pay the healthcare. It's the 18th of the month and I wasn't here. Damn, dude. I'm exposed right now. oh So oh we got that was a great episode. I got to go.
00:30:58
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no. But that fear, okay, think about people that are in tremendous pain or they have really weird symptoms going on. Like think of like a vertigo symptom where every time you stand up, you're dizzy or something that's just like life altering or pain. That's like you can't.
00:31:16
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Describe it. Debilitating. Debilitating stuff. Like I get, dude I fucking get that you're scouring the internet and trying all sorts of shit from medical marijuana to like strange Brazilian elixirs to fucking eating radishes that you blended up and then poured into a glass of vinegar, all kinds of weird stuff. I get it that you're trying all that because what a what else do you have?
00:31:43
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Especially if the medical system doesn't have answers for you. Some people have this like body pain type shit that they can't describe or diagnose and they're searching for answers. And they're almost mocked, right?
00:31:55
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They're mocked. I can't talk down to people like that. What I worry about mostly, what I could rail on for 90 more minutes is just capitalism's power in sucking vulnerable people dry for stuff they don't need that's my biggest concern in this health but space and you just see it so much now dude well that's what that's where i have like what's the angle like this garlic thing what's the angle that i'm missing maybe there's no angle like what's the angle you know because it's like okay i can't see a capitalistic angle on somebody telling me
00:32:32
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to eat garlic, but maybe there is. Big garlic. Big garlic. Yeah. No, it's probably content creation, bud. Yeah. It's probably ads. there's There's something to gain. I mean, even that the Blue Zone thing, like but it's like why are people telling yeah it's like, why are people telling you this?
00:32:51
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Maybe for validation too. I think that's a piece of it. I mean, some people will get on Reddit and just like drop their health.
Influencers and Environmental Concerns
00:32:59
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a routine or drop their stock picks because they're looking for for validation somehow. I mean that- There are people that go like, wow, good job.
00:33:07
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Yeah, I don't know. wonder about like like this guy, hu Huberman Labs, these guys. Yeah. Is that nonsense? Well, he's a scientist. Yeah. yes He's all reputable. Like the the place he does his work at and everything seems legit, right? Besides how he's treated women.
00:33:26
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ah Yeah, he's reputable. Treated him with what? Full-bodied erection because it all has his wonderful testosterone and and whatever. There was a bunch of controversy about his abuse.
00:33:39
Speaker
Now you got to bring this into it. A couple years ago, dude. I'm trying to healthy, and now... well Well, look. No, but someone like that, yeah he has something gain. He sells supplements and shit, I think. Absolutely. He is selling, selling, selling. is that Does that dealer what does it delegitimize his his studies To some extent it might, it depends on how he's characterizing things.
00:34:04
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One of the things that got unpopular is him coming out with the studies around alcohol and just saying that there's absolutely no situation where this is good for you. And that seemed reasonable.
00:34:16
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I haven't listened to him a lot, but it does seem like he's getting more into that sort of supplement, manosphere, I'm the i'm a big muscle head, you should also be that way craze.
00:34:29
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Not, I've seen him speak not necessarily in that realm as well. Yeah. If you know doctors, there's only so many things you can be an expert on. Yeah. So I'm not sure what the breadth of his discussions are.
00:34:42
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but That's right. That's where it's like, there's that's that's kind of almost like the antithesis what you're saying. Like for me, it's like, there's no way a doctor, like a normal doctor knows about a lot of this shit. He doesn't even have time to.
00:34:55
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Well, but they have a clinical knowledge database. Yeah. Yeah, and they they have all the, like how you said, you can you can kind of use your own experiences. Well, they probably know, oh, I have eight patients that this happened to. and But like, i don't know, there's a big push online for like creatine, for example. It's good for your like to fight amnesia, mental loss, in addition to whatever else it does. Amnesia that for like Alzheimer's?
00:35:19
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Yeah, and it's like, that might all be bullshit, right? But it's like, it's it's rampant, it's everywhere. If you type in, yeah. And then you're like, is that true? Everyone's no, you should be taking creatine.
00:35:31
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Like a lot of different people are saying that. And i just wonder, like ah a normal, your family doctor, well, he doesn't have time to fucking do an experiment on creatine or he could read the same thing I am. Well, no, he's relying on medical research.
00:35:44
Speaker
But the pro everything says not enough research has been done, and that's just where they leave it when you get into the medical field for – how do you spell creatine? Well, in those arenas, yeah. that's that's ah That's your first red flag. Now you could try it, and maybe it has benefits for you.
00:36:03
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Here's Cleveland Clinic creatine, what it does benefits. What does it say? Tell us. Speak the truth. What happens? You start to speed up muscle recovery, boost water content, muscles, increase metabolic hormones.
00:36:17
Speaker
I mean, most of this is is has to do with muscle growth and yeah recovery ah and and minimize dehydration, which is good. ah don't know. I'm not going to read this online. Yeah, it sounds like you should do it.
00:36:33
Speaker
But but that you know that's like where it's like, ah, a lot of people are saying it's helpful. Are they all just out to fuck everyone? That's where that's where I'm like, I know they a lot of they probably at the a lot of them at the end of it are like, and our creatine is the purest. It'll be like a long message about how great creatine is for you. and then I'll be like, by the way, we sell it.
00:36:51
Speaker
And it's it's great, right? Are they out to fuck you? No, not necessarily. But like let's start with the guy that preaches this solution. He's on YouTube. He's likely looking for views so that his advertisers pay more.
00:37:06
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yeah That's one thing. Okay, the other the creatine company, sure, they know that it works for muscles, but how can they grow sales? We're always thinking about more, more, and more. This is the dirty capitalism again, Matthew.
00:37:18
Speaker
We're always looking about fucking more. And so they go, what's another audience of people that we can get? And let's let's see if we can tie this. Maybe a doctor did some... preliminary research or any research tying it to the prevention of Alzheimer's and here we go now you got motherfuckers buying it for that reason it that they're always trying to sell more so creatine now you can use it for anything penis growth creatine does it all grows your hair back and if you can find any links any grain of truth there may be a grain they'll sell it dude that's what's sad yeah but now our normal sales channels our marketing channels are are different now which is why it's weird
00:37:55
Speaker
There you go. That's exactly right. They're super different. They're also like about representation. So if I'm a patriot right winger now, I'm getting sold from like this muscle head about I need to do Zin for for my nicotine. Even if I wasn't a smoker, these are good for you, bro.
00:38:12
Speaker
And then you need to fucking take creatine or whatever. Creolick is the ultimate supplement that I want. But yeah, I mean, you can run wild quickly. And you know you and I, i'm probably now more on the internet than you, but you're not even out there looking for it.
00:38:26
Speaker
But it'll sneak up on you. No, I have health worries, though, of things, mostly toxic stuff in the air. And I don't think enough people think about that. But like... I mean, you're breathing in some shit. So I went and so went and did some wind sprints today because I wanna have a healthy heart into my 90s. No, I did it because it feels good.
00:38:46
Speaker
But there are cars s flying by constantly and I always wonder like when I'm doing these huge breaths after a sprint, what am I huffing? What am I sucking into my lungs? I don't know what to do about that.
00:38:57
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I do worry about my water and I've at times have like hired somebody to bring water and like I'll have it filtered. Have you done any i water tests? Have you gone to that level?
00:39:09
Speaker
Is it bad? They still do fluoride Denver? I think so, yeah. Denver Water, though, does some tests each year and then they'll tell you there's certain chemicals, but you have to really understand the regulations.
00:39:21
Speaker
But people will come out when they're trying to sell advanced filters and say all these things are killing you. And it's like little old grandma's fucking 95 living in Park Hill, Denver for 50 years and- Drinking the same fucking city water.
00:39:35
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, what are you after? Are you going to live to 120? Like, what are we after? And like, you don't know. i just think it's about control. Yeah. I mean, it's like I had my, one of my grandpas who had a heart attack and died, lived in the same house, ate the same food as his wife. My grandma who lived until she was 199.
00:39:52
Speaker
ninety nine Who knows? It's like genetics or... Both my grandmas died. Yeah. Like in their early seventies and my, both my grandpas were mid nineties. It's just, I have no idea. Yeah. No idea why.
00:40:06
Speaker
Your wife is fucked. You're going around for a while, huh? Damn. Yeah. Both of them, their ears and nose just kept growing and growing and growing. So I keep telling my my son when he starts talking about my nose is big, I'm like, you also get there, bitch.
00:40:23
Speaker
Don't worry. 20 years. If you live till you're 140, because because i I give you my secret remedies, your nose is going to be like an elephant. ah Yeah.
00:40:33
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So, but you have a healthy, light you have a pretty high level of skepticism for almost anything besides exercise and and what you found to be eating right. Well, I don't know what else to do other than try to interact with the healthcare system a little bit with some of their recommendations. I did get my colonoscopy.
00:40:51
Speaker
Like, are you buying into like, oh, organics or grass fed beef or any of that crap? Are you not, are you just like, that's nonsense? or you do are you looking at any of that kind of stuff? Cause that's rampant on the internet as well.
00:41:02
Speaker
Well, I've heard enough stories and I've experienced enough interaction with chemicals myself to to to think that like, yeah, I don't know that I want mass quantities of chemicals poured into my on top of my strawberries, for example.
00:41:20
Speaker
Like that's just like intuitively resonates with me. ah Somebody could tell me that genetically modified food and they can go through the science and just say, look, dude, there's nothing wrong with that.
00:41:31
Speaker
I could probably get on board with, but like, I don't like the idea that there's chickens and like a densely populated chicken farm, like pooping over each other and dying because they're so closely packed. I mean, if if I could envision the chicken that I'm eating, it's running up and down a fucking field and squawking and enjoying life before it gets slaughtered.
00:41:51
Speaker
So yeah, dude, i'm I'm with you on the organics. I'm with you on like having a water filter, Well, I'm not, I don't, I'm not buying or everything organic. I was just wondering like, where's your limit? Cause, cause it's hard. Like, I guess my point is like on something like grass fed beef or organic or even creatine, it's hard to get like a medically, a medical specific opinion.
00:42:12
Speaker
So then you're kind of out there like taking it from these pundits or people that are like, well, I did my research. They might not be medical doctors and they might be right. But like it's like, you know where do you draw the line? Because it because there's like a we're like this is this a lot of this is just capitalistic bullshit.
00:42:29
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so But something's probably true. But you're not always going to get a real like wherere what we value as an educated viewpoint on it So. Right. You're not. makes it hard.
00:42:40
Speaker
And the whole concept of processed food is so distorted right now. It's so the category of processed food, if you list all of the things that are processed, there are a shitload of healthy things in that. They just happen to have yeah added some sort of touched it yeah some sort of feature that helps it become what it is like uh rice milk or something that is still healthy but like they also throw that in the same category as like the drumsticks that the chocolate is how's that like a 75 year shelf life yeah you can fucking oh i had those around back when your dad was a kid
00:43:18
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yeah Like literally these. Yeah, these ones. Dude, I don't know. It's it's but it's a confusing world. And I think they've done a great job of like whipsawing all of us.
00:43:30
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i I feel like whether it's propaganda or nonsense, for whatever reason, I think it's probably the fact that everyone's somewhat conscious. All this crap is probably good. the i'd rather be I'd rather have it be this way than just be like, no, everything's fine.
00:43:44
Speaker
It's like, well, there's clear. It's like visible. Like you said, the the eye check is like people are starting to look very unhealthy or have been for last like 40 years. I'm not sure it's a good thing. Yeah, but you can see that you can see the problem the that there's a problem.
00:43:58
Speaker
There's an epidemic. There's an epidemic. i've got I'm just saying it's good that people seem like they're somewhat aware of it. yeah I think it's this it's becoming an obsession. I think social media and the phones. It's like zero, it's too high, and it needs to get back to where it's just like, hey, let's make some good decisions be healthy.
00:44:14
Speaker
right Right. I was given in the pandemic by my company, I was given an app called Calm. The Calm app. And the Calm app had like sort of meditations in it and like famous artists who wrote calming music and stuff like that.
00:44:31
Speaker
And... To access this thing, I have to get on a device that i'm already I'm already susceptible to impulsively checking and scrolling through. And it just seems like the wrong medium to give me ah health, like the phone.
00:44:49
Speaker
And I always worry about the folks, and maybe everybody's different, but the people that are tracking everything through their phone, Their iPhone watch. What is it? What is it a fucking called? What is that piece of shit called? It's not an iPhone watch.
00:45:01
Speaker
a I watch. Who knows? But they're tracking everything. causing Apple watch, man. Look, i got I got to do 140 more steps. I gotta do 100, oh, looks like I didn't sleep well last night. I tossed like 12 times and i yeah I just like, how is that gonna help is That could be worse.
00:45:20
Speaker
Could be so much worse. And maybe in the midst of trying to get your steps, you forgot that it was Jody's birthday at work and you mowed two pieces of cake.
00:45:33
Speaker
you know Put your focus, where you know you bang for the buck lady. So always it always comes back to the processed food office party for you. The donuts.
00:45:43
Speaker
Well, what I worry too mostly about is like the way society structured around productivity. You're almost forced to sacrifice your health to have any sort of career. Like you hear somebody goes into investment banking, extremely high paid job. It's like the demands are 80 to 90 hours of work, 90 hours a week when you start.
00:46:03
Speaker
Like how could you possibly be a healthy human being with that workload? You have to give up something. It could be like you give up all semblance of a social life. so that you work your 15 hour days and work out for an hour. Something's gotta to go.
00:46:17
Speaker
Right. And isn't it ironic that it's always the billionaires after they make their billions that come out with all this guru advice? I always fucking laugh at that shit. It's like, did you shut the fuck up?
00:46:29
Speaker
I shouldn't have done that. it's all It all has an angle, but I mean, the the principles ah have never changed about vegetables and less sugar and salt and all that crap. It's all the same.
00:46:41
Speaker
But yeah, related. um I'm curious what you think about this because it is related. Like for some reason, the Mormons are having a moment. There's something about the Mormon lifestyle that is like pure.
00:46:55
Speaker
And they have had a wide range of influencer success. Like some of the biggest influencers are Mormon, especially specifically in the lifestyle space. And there's like, for example, the whole, you know, you've heard me use the term trad wife and you're like, what's a trad wife? But a traditional wife that stays home, supports the man, has a bunch of babies, makes it all look easy, fucking does what her man needs.
00:47:21
Speaker
Thanks for the gesture, buddy. Yeah, but ah can do it all. And it's kind of can balance and still look cute. and yeah Yeah, all that stuff. So that's all proliferated on the internet. And what's coming out now is some of these influencers sort of phase out and new ones come in. And the old ones were finding like,
00:47:39
Speaker
They were abusive to their kids. Yeah, abusive to their kids. They slept four hours a night to to get out their content. They kind of lived real miserable lives. They had the seven children, but then they had like two people in there helping them raise the children.
00:47:55
Speaker
And it's all a facade. and And so any of this health stuff, I go back to like things like that. Is that that some Mormon thing? It's just like the influencer facade. I mean, there's a great, I watched a great show about the influencer facades. Like they'll rent the inside of a jet, but it's not a jet. It's like a studio that looks like they're andt you know, to to represent this lifestyle. It's different than what you're talking about. But what is it? The Mormons are like, have it?
00:48:22
Speaker
I'm just saying the Mormons have been successful in the influencer space because I think they're offering a purity that like hits the, the moment, the zeitgeist right now, a certain type of like farm,
00:48:34
Speaker
to table fresh purity, have babies, stay at home, all that stuff is like hot right now. So they've been successful. ah But yeah, no, you're right. All the influencer game is really ah facade.
00:48:48
Speaker
And you go, well, sure, everybody knows that. But do they? And do they know that in the health space? I mean, look at the kids. like Do they know that?
00:48:59
Speaker
No, kids don't that. Your kids are probably getting more aware than mine, but they're just like, I think they're rich. I think he really does have a Ferrari. My 11-year-old, he thinks that all these influencers are um like crushing it.
00:49:13
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um um The Mormon thing is interesting because like it's just it's just interesting because, i mean, when think of some of our Mormon friends, they did actually seem like they pretty good, wholesome. The ones that like stuck with it have pretty good, wholesome lives.
00:49:28
Speaker
But they were humans. They weren't like, this is everything's easy or any of that shit. It was like real. But I just chalked it up to like, oh, man, I wasn't drinking a party and partying, life would probably be easier.
00:49:39
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you know They don't drink. They resist vices and then they have a strong sense of community. And the community piece and the relationship piece is of a strong variable in health outcomes.
00:49:52
Speaker
So the more social you are, this very podcast is probably as good for your health or way better for your health than any fucking, you could eat 20 garlic cloves, bro. Can you imagine what I did at the same time today?
00:50:04
Speaker
Oh, shit. Dude, your cock's going be on tilt. I'm Joseph Smith, dude. Call me Brigham from here on out. Brigham Young. Yeah, no well, that's a big thing. That sense of community is probably ah big thing. Actually, in the Blue Zone book, that was like the big thing was like some some sort of faith, not like crazy, but just faith that that there's another power control and things so you don't have to stress about it and like a sense of community that you had like something to wake up for every day.
00:50:33
Speaker
Yep. Absolutely. But. But. I hijacked your thoughts, I'm going to keep going. My grandma that lived to 99 or 100 lived on the other side of the country. Her husband died in like 91. I think she died a month before the pandemic started.
00:50:49
Speaker
She basically it was like alone with all her other family was nowhere close or had all died. She was alone except for when we go visit her. For like 30 years. She did something though, right? She went and played. I mean, like not really, dude. Like she was in an old folks home in a tired town in north Northeast Pennsylvania.
00:51:07
Speaker
And like there wasn't much going on. Well, but here is now here is why we're all susceptible. This is a great point is the variability in human preferences is such that.
00:51:20
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Some of us, and I would put myself in this category with respect to what you're talking about, is like, I value much, much more alone time than my wife. And I feel refreshed, I feel connected and renewed by doing that. And like, she on the other hand, like if she went from one social thing to the next, that probably fill her more. Like I need that like two, three times a week.
00:51:43
Speaker
She probably needs- Isolation? Oh, you need social interaction two times week? Two, three times. Like I need that, like no, more of like a- Even if we were to go out somewhere or- Does this count?
00:51:55
Speaker
Yeah, this counts. That's good enough, right? It's like- Yeah, maybe a little more than that. Three, four, three, five, I don't know. But a lot less than her. I also don't, I'm not, we're all so different. Like I'm not, I don't define myself by how much I did in the day.
00:52:11
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um like she does. And so I think amongst all of us human beings, there's quite a bit of variability, which makes us even more susceptible to the salesmanship.
Plastic Waste Awareness
00:52:22
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Yeah. Yeah. the pla what What do you think about the plastic? Because the plastic's getting a real, taking a real beating lately. And that is just crap that's on the internet, but you actually are susceptible to that or you believe it.
00:52:35
Speaker
a little bit, right? It's not crap. on I don't think it's crap on the internet. I think it's unequivocal that we are producing too much plastic that the corporations are saying we should we are we should be able to recycle, but it's not recyclable.
00:52:49
Speaker
And it's ending up in landfills, in oceans. house How did you get there though? how did you How did you decide, yeah, this is a problem? Like through what's the avenue? Cause it wasn't an influencer, I guess, or something like, how did you get there?
00:53:04
Speaker
I'd say a combination of podcasts, long form type stuff, books, documentaries, and then sort of ah observation. Like if you go into a gas station or any sort of facility any sort of grocery type establishment, there's a whole wall or more of just plastic based bottles.
00:53:28
Speaker
And people have to be buying those in droves. And where do they go? Like those aren't recycled. So there's so much of that. And then the bags and everything we're packaging. You know, that's not normal anywhere else.
00:53:40
Speaker
I could not believe it, dude. This is the first time I ever really tuned in and thought about it. How much, how far behind the US is on like recycling and waste. Like there's no plastic bags here.
00:53:52
Speaker
Like you go to the grocery store, you bring your own bag. You can't get a plastic bag. And then like even where I was staying, there was no, they weren't recycling the plastic bottles. It was like, I was like, maybe Colorado is little more advanced, but I was like, holy shit. I haven't seen this many plastic bags in years.
00:54:06
Speaker
I'm just talking about the packaging too. So like if you went down the candy aisle, you went down any aisle, even things that we like, little individual wrap granola bars, eating a popsicle last night, it's got a little plastic wrapping around it. it Stuff that's perceived as healthy comes in this plastic bag. Yeah, saran wrap, everything. And it's it's so overwhelming to think about how much of that is being used just for our daily consumption.
00:54:32
Speaker
I don't know, where does that go? How does that get absorbed by the environment? ah we're We're burning it. We're throwing it underground. that that People have been doing tests. like These are validated tests where it's showing up in testes and people's in our lungs, so these microplastics.
00:54:51
Speaker
So it's we've produced too much of it, and we still refuse because we're so pro-business, so pro-growth, so pro-capitalism to solve some of these problems. There seems to be a way to sell stuff a little differently.
00:55:04
Speaker
I don't know. Put it in bins. Put it in bins that vend out amount of M&Ms. The bins are going to be plastic, dude. I'd become one of these people like, ah, it's just too much. and know. It is too much.
00:55:19
Speaker
I'm P.O.S.
00:55:24
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Went to the internet to self-diagnose
00:55:32
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Don't really know but maybe I've thrombosis Now I'm gonna eat a giant spoonful of cinnamon
00:55:48
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Two hours later my stomach really burns. Two more hours later and there's blood in my stool.
00:56:00
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This is better than dying. Fuck yeah.
00:56:10
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Fucking cinnamon