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My WNBA
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Lance thinks the WNBA is going to continue to grow based on an assumption WNBA players are more relatable than their NBA counterparts. Matt isn't on board with that idea just yet. What will make the WNBA more successful? Sexier players? More midwestern white girls? Whatever the case, it appears more people can find something in the WNBA to fan over.
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Toilet Humor and Parody Songs
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What's it like to be a toilet? What's it like to be a toilet? What's it like to be a toilet? I will tell you everything.
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With obesity on the rise, my porcelain is quite strained.
00:00:24
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You keep growing bigger Which makes you poop bigger Which puts pressure on my train What's it like to be a toilet?
00:00:39
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I will tell you everything
00:00:49
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It's trend of spicy food. Hot sauce, chicken wings, Takis. It's taking a toll.
00:01:00
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Your number ones are more acidic. They can peel paint. And that's bad for my bowl. That's bad for my bowl.
00:01:12
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What's it like to be a toilet? What's it like to be a toilet? What's it like to be a toilet? I will tell you everything.
00:01:23
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can be hard to keep my head up
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when you're hitting me with all that stuff.
00:01:36
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It's not just the waist, it's the hemorrhoids, floppy clits and giant balls and hairy bird holes. What's it like to be a toilet?
00:01:49
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What's it like to be a toilet? What's it like to be toilet? You don't think that song is my type of humor, huh?
00:02:12
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you don't think that song is my type of humor huh Well, it's for the kids. it's It's the adolescent humor that seasoned, very wise comics like you don't really enjoy.
00:02:25
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I'll tell you, that's not true, first of all. Second of all, I listen to probably four times a week Lonely Island, which is just like parody songs from the guy from Saturday Night Live, the Adam oh yeah adam sam Sandberg.
00:02:38
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And it's along the same vein as what's it like to be a toilet, but most of it is like just ridiculous sexual shit. where it's like when we're kind of tongue-in-cheek talking about trim and shit like meatheads.
00:02:51
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Dick in a Box is classic. Dick in a Box. That is a classic. Terrorizer. What's she saying? fuck oh Fuck me like the U.S. s military. Fuck Bin Laden.
00:03:03
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That's fucking so funny. I listen to it like 100 times week. My kids love it too. I refuse to spend the time to like really craft the lyrics. I'll just say. That one you got in on though. You put some time in I think.
00:03:17
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No, no. I just like, it came to me real quick and I'm just like, okay, what are some things Americans are doing that I can call out from the perspective of a toilet? And I wrote it real quick and then sang it.
00:03:27
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It's really doesn't take long, but like, it would be fun. It's just, it's hard to take myself seriously doing that, dude. I just go, what are we doing here? What are we doing? That's what I like about the most when you, when you, because you have to write a real song. So that's what makes it funnier.
00:03:42
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Like it's not like Sandler Sandler's parodies were more kind of silly. i like when you write a real song about something like that. When you have to sit there and you have to to kind of look at yourself in the mirror and then somebody's probably picturing you spending the time doing that.
00:03:58
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Somebody being my wife. I like like you could hear that song. It could be in an elevator. So you're going to the top floor of Empire State Building and you wouldn't like really think about it. It'd just be like, oh, this has got decent beat, decent melody.
00:04:11
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And by like floor 17, you're like, what the fuck? This is really about toilets. And then the last three minutes, you just got to deal with it. But I got a good Lance reaction, which I love, which was just, I have some questions about about your co-host Lance.
00:04:28
Speaker
that's That's the best reaction. That's from a new listener. ah but Is that on the the Dark Woke skit? Well, I think it's pretty open-ended.
00:04:40
Speaker
Oh, just all all my comments. it wasn't somebody it wasn't It's not somebody who's been with us forever. It's a new listener. I think i mean, you've been hardcore political lately. Oh, yeah. Well, I just needed to get some things out. But I also think it's got given us some interesting conversations. But I'm getting tired of it.
00:04:58
Speaker
What's your... well what was the I mean, I think she... I'll give up their gender, but they they were... Last week was... Was a was that Miles?
00:05:08
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ah Not Miles. are What's his name? Last week, I hated that episode. I hated my performance. Did you like it? The long one? Yeah. Well, I think you can... I think if that was the first of the of the sort of Trump trilogy, it's good.
00:05:24
Speaker
But then you can't... you can't we couldn't go We can't go too much more about the the Trump probably. No, I'm done with it. I've ranted. All my rants are out of my system. Like I've destroyed capitalism.
00:05:37
Speaker
You've, you've gone along for the ride in a friendly way, which I appreciate. I've destroyed obesity. I've destroyed right wingness. So we even got top, like a lot of the shit we're doing. We're preemptively topical. So it might seem like we're just another tool.
00:05:53
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Like I was not even aware about
Balancing Humor and Seriousness in Podcasts
00:05:56
Speaker
the Pope. And then we went off on Catholic pedophiles for 20 minutes. Well, I had no plan for that at all. yeah That's why I didn't love last week.
00:06:05
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But, you know, you can't have a banger every week, bro. i think I had no problem with the episode. I just know that, ah like, i know it I know your path, dude. Sorry if it's if if you can it's pouring rain here. We have these tin roofs.
00:06:21
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in my studio here but i know that if you push too hard that way you're gonna come out with a toilet song to balance like it's it is what you do know me you're exactly right i i had started to feel like i was taking myself too serious and all of a sudden you saw it last week comes the dark woke skit comes the miles dark woke yeah yeah the miles so that listeners yeah her exposure was miles flint and dark woke And now the toilet, right? And so, you know, I'm about to go on about a big bender of fucking jack off jokes. And, you know, it's just... I can see your family, like your wife, just trembling every time Trump does something stupid because she knows that the counterbalance is just the the great side of Lance.
00:07:07
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It's just like, come on, Donald, take it easy for one day. Well, I burnt myself out on it. It's harder to be interested in it. But, yeah, yeah. But I'm swinging back to wanting to talk some shit. It's just so funny.
00:07:22
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Well, I mean, that song, i would be I'd be down to have that song, a song like that on every episode. Well, know. I know you would, dude. Much respect. I got to say, I got, because go back and forth about stand-up and listening to podcasts, comedians, and because I was listening to someone the other day that was like, dude These athletes that are having podcasts is essentially like putting me to play quarterback for the Broncos, where it's just like, shut up, mateheads.
00:07:51
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You're not compelling. You're not training to speak. and and ah But at the same time, I'm like, yeah, but it's true. Comics train, stand-up comics at least, and actors train to like speak and be listened to and have a good message or have a message.
00:08:06
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But then a lot of then i listen to stand-up comics i'm just like, fuck. these guys just won't shut up. They keep interrupting each other. it gets off the rail. And then i'm like, so the political, like these last two or three or four weeks of political stuff, I'm like, it's probably good to just kind of keep, keep us straight a little bit to not be too much fucking comic-y, but also like, we're not meatheads.
00:08:28
Speaker
So it can't just be like fucking nuggets. what like Yeah, well, yeah, I'm with you. Have you listened to Shannon Sharpe's interviews? Oh, my God. yeah like what Every athlete's interviews are pathetic, except for maybe ah yeah Charles Barkley.
00:08:47
Speaker
Yeah, or something like he, but he gets way up outside of the realm of sports. Yeah, yeah. But I think there's a few ways to think about it. Like, are you putting on a show? And there's some people out there that I listen to.
00:09:00
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They truly put on a show. And then you got your niche pods where they're experts in something or they're experts in interviewing different folks or journalists. You got your your banter ones. Now, the in the category of banter, which is kind of what we do, some real sad, sad talent.
00:09:18
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you don't You're not a fan of that stuff. It's just, I admire a guy like Conan O'Brien, who's real quick. Like, a very few comics or people are that quick in their responses, in their takes, based upon whatever something somebody else says.
00:09:34
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Like, I can never be that. So, you know, I'm going to make a toilet song, and I'm going to probably structure some thinking before I go. So we're we're kind of doing a hybrid, but, like, I'll listen to a guy like that, banter. I'll listen to David Spade and Dana Carvey, but They walk on each other so much. Dana Carvey can't stop.
00:09:53
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Like he's got that Robin Williams kind of bipolar impressionist thing. But yeah the the key in what you're saying, that wit, is like in the patience of letting somebody, like the it doesn't come out right if it's like, I got to get this out.
00:10:06
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But it's like, ah I'm just going to wait and then I got kill her. fuck i got And the payton Conan O'Brien will let the other person have it be funny Yeah. So I like what we're doing, man. I'm having fun with it. So fuck your friend.
00:10:21
Speaker
Fuck her. No, she's, she's, I'm kidding. We'll call her number seven. Listener number seven. She's, she likes it. I've never had most people. I've only had a few people like, no one's ever said I stopped listening to it just because.
00:10:37
Speaker
Oh, my brother said, I really don't like your podcast. Yeah. That was a while ago though. I said, bro, it's all good. That's funny. Who cares? I think if if somebody says that, they're trying, it's like they're they're sending a message about something else.
00:10:55
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It's like their own issues. I don't, yeah, I don't really know why you would say it like that or feel confident to say that. I would never say that to anyone. I wasn't seeking that feedback, but it's okay. Like, I didn't expect you to, but but I've enjoyed it regardless. I think I like what we're doing, man. I mean, that's a good sign if you get that.
00:11:13
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I really don't like your podcast. Like, okay, who gets that? Howard Stern? Not that not many people get it. but But I think... You're swinging for big-time comparisons, buddy.
00:11:24
Speaker
Well, they he was the guy that was kind of like any feedback, any like... like He made his career on people that hate his ass more than people that like him. were We're tuning in.
00:11:35
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The shock value, of course. now Now, I don't think... I think he's an amazing interviewer now. He truly is. He's playing with a different stack of cards. I mean, he's like, oh let's get Paul McCartney in.
00:11:47
Speaker
Well, he yeah, he is. But he's also like the questions he asked, I think he's really developed that skill and he doesn't need all that other stuff, which is what you're doing here, Matt, on POS.
00:11:58
Speaker
Well, I think he's probably, he got to level of we're not ready to get to yet. Because of that, like we're not going to be that open about it our family life or whatever, our sex life or or any of that shit. And like, plus don't have enough time talking about our sex life.
00:12:18
Speaker
Too much. Too much, dude. You know? like but So then the guy he's interviewing or the woman he's interviewing, like for some reason, feel comfortable comfortable comfortableable enough to like open up like that. And so then you're like,
00:12:33
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Those interviews are, mean, haven't imagine i've been listened to in years, but then you're like, wow, this is like some some person that's pretty open about about some intimate shit. That's why it's good, right?
00:12:44
Speaker
It's not just like, what's your next movie about? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, it is good. It's good. And then he's emphatic about things he really appreciates, which is kind of charming, I guess.
00:12:57
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But, okay. Do you still listen to him, by the way? I mean, maybe some clips here and there, but nah. Because I think you got to subscribe. Yeah, I don't even know how you listen to it. Sirius XM, I think, still. I can't remember.
00:13:11
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I used to have it. but So, dude, you're cool with where we're going. We're still still doing it. I'm cool with it, man. I just know your cycle, dude. I know your cycle.
Podcast Evolution and Audience Connection
00:13:21
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Coming up on two years, so I think. Dude, we're coming up on two years. That's fine. Well, we say it. Wait minute. Not that we're five months away, but four and a half, five months away. Yeah, but you know, once you get past six months, you're coming up on it, okay? And also we also we also, if we just look at episodes, we might be getting close to 100 because we did we did those like special series.
00:13:43
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another on yeah and i could release those seniors ones i could just do a big dump of all the seniors episodes but i won't well yeah so it's it's going good dude for us not for anybody listening but for us no it's going that dude that's actually not we'll get on that back on the show plan here but yeah so So somebody who just comes on board, that's when person's like, I have some questions about Lance, but someone's like, where's he work? They didn't hear that earlier episode where we're both kind spilling our...
00:14:14
Speaker
hearts out about my separation and work and and yeah yeah you your big jump into the retired life so they miss like if you didn't come on board then go fuck yourself right yeah i'm not gonna fucking drag you along dude how if you if you weren't there at the beginning you you shouldn't even be here that's marty if you're not marty yeah it was there from day one You're not that guy.
00:14:40
Speaker
So, all right, dude. Shall we get into what we're going to talk about now? i and I made no plans to discuss this. If you lay down what you told me, I have a complete disagreement with you. So would this should be good. Yeah. Okay. So for people that don't care about basketball or sports,
00:14:58
Speaker
I'll just lay this out to you that in terms of just gender politics and just in the world, you have what seems to be like a resurgence of masculinity and this dissing of womanhood or not, not dissing, but actually placing women back in the house or in traditional roles, at least in in the mindset, in the American mindset. So I want to talk about the WNBA and the and NBA because the WNBA, I think, is going to rise and grow. And I think the NBA is going to shrink.
WNBA vs NBA: Perceptions and Marketability
00:15:29
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And I will say that because there's something open and dynamic happening in the WNBA that I think... is going to suck in some people who are getting real tired of $50 million dollar players, the fucking same style of play. And I think this idea of it's like a hybrid between amateur sports and professionalism. All these women have stayed in college four years.
00:15:54
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They're real dedicated to the sport. This is all coming on new. And I think it's going to be exciting space is all say. Now, I don't talk sports. So I don't, I haven't thought about how to talk about this, but I just, I feel it's a much more exciting space.
00:16:07
Speaker
I think more men are going to gravitate there. You think that it's going to take over? Like it'll get to whatever it's 20 to 80% viewership, 80% NBA, and it's going to flip in our lifetime? No, I don't think it's a takeover. I just think what you're going to see is more fans are going to gravitate to something that feels a little bit more pure.
00:16:25
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It feels a little bit more principled. It feels a little bit less about just insane capitalism and stadium deals and fucking, like I said, $50 million dollar players who are bouncing around team to team.
00:16:40
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And these girls work hard, dude, and they make like one hundred k one hundred And fifty k and i don't know if that'll last. i don't know if they'll ever get top shelf revenue coming in to drive up salaries and if they'll become entitled.
00:16:52
Speaker
And I know they want more money and all that. I just think it's easier to be a fan of people out there working. Is there a team in Denver? No, but I wish there was.
00:17:03
Speaker
was going to say, have you ever been to and a WNBA game? No, but I've watched a lot. There's not that many teams, huh? I'm just looking at it now. No, they just added one. Now, the classic male argument is, look, you're never going to see these girls skying and dunking and doing any of the amazing things that men can do. And it's just not that entertaining. And and i love to listen to guys talk that way because I just want to punch their fucking mouths.
00:17:29
Speaker
It's like, oh, they'll know. It's so boring. It's so boring. like And i'm I'm looking at these these women lately. The moves they're doing, they're all complex change of direction, double counter moves, deep threes, saucy layups, a lot of them. Some of them are bangers and are boring, just like some NBA people still do some of that banging.
00:17:53
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But like, dude, shut your mouth, masculine woman hater. ah Well, there is truth behind that. but But the reality is it's a different game.
00:18:04
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I mean, you can watch like there's the chances of a woman and and and getting to a physical frame of some of the NBA players is basically impossible, right? like There's never been a woman who's, I don't know, body type Anthony Davis. so Seven feet, jacked.
00:18:24
Speaker
So there is that. There is a physical sort of difference between the the max out mature like body type of a man versus versus a woman. Well, sure, but they're it's all relative, right? They're playing against each other.
00:18:37
Speaker
Right. But I'm saying you're talking about sort of a different game is because of that. Well, you got six, eight women in the WNBA. You got a lot of six, two, six, three, six, fours. that So you're basically cutting two, three, four inches and probably significant amount of muscle mass. But still, what's your point?
00:18:57
Speaker
What's your fucking point? you're you're saying that You're saying that the guys are like, it's just ah it's a bigger, so stronger, faster game, and that's why it's better. Well, it is. um and I'm saying the argument isn't like, is that is it better? it's It's almost like a different game because the way it's played, the way it has to be played.
00:19:15
Speaker
can't be played above the rim. uh as much you know and it can't be played like it's just a different game so you have to what i think you like about it because of that like it's you maybe they rely less on just straight up athletic ability and and fundamentally they're actually playing like a tighter game kind of be like what i what i when i hear you talk about it that's what i hear Yeah, but it's less it's less about the quality of the entertainment to me and more about storylines and what I can root for.
00:19:45
Speaker
i mean, who you rooting for in the NBA that makes $40 million? Everybody's just bitching. It's like a grievance fest of like, oh, this fucking guy went to this team. Kevin Durant's a dickhead.
00:19:57
Speaker
He couldn't even look at Phoenix. They have worst fucking record. and you know It's like a constant... It's not funny is all those guys are making that much money and like somebody's still going to lose.
00:20:07
Speaker
so So like someone's going to get paid 50 million bucks to lose. That's just the way it is. But. It is what is. I mean, good for them. You know, part of is like, yeah, i it's i don't I don't have any problem with people making money and hopefully the women can too.
00:20:22
Speaker
i Let's start this. why do you So there's a lot of talk. Actually, this morning I got a text from buddy mine who lives in Africa who was giving me shit about the Nuggets, but he's like, I heard the the NBA like viewership and numbers are going down.
00:20:35
Speaker
yeah Why do you think that is? i have ah i have an idea, just the game. And and he was like, no one no one likes to watch people jacking up threes all all day. What do you think it is? I don't know.
00:20:47
Speaker
I mean, we could talk about a lot of different things. Racism? i'm meannna Well, I think there are a lot more substitutes too for entertainment. And i think it I think what people are looking for more than ever in this era is a place to sink their fandom into, sink their teeth, their fandom teeth into.
00:21:05
Speaker
And i i you could see you root for Jokic. You root for him, well, mostly because he's white. But no, you root for him because he's a style player that's different, right? he's He brings a unique quality both personally and on the court that it's fun to root for that guy and it's it's impressive.
00:21:23
Speaker
yeah how he plays, what would appear to be against all odds, although I don't agree with that. I believe in a broader view of athleticism. But yeah, you know I'm guessing you're not rooting for a lot of other players in the NBA. And I just think it's harder to root for them. Now, as a white dude, I probably should acknowledge somebody probably thinks, well, that's because you don't want a root for black dudes.
00:21:45
Speaker
And I'll say no. Fuck That's Matt's job. That's Matt's job. No, but Jalen Brunson to me is probably the most exciting player in the and NBA and has been for me for five years because I've never seen footwork like that and he's not as big and I like that he's not the prototype.
00:22:00
Speaker
We've talked about that before, but I'm just having trouble. root Like, you're going to root for LaMelo Ball and his cocky fucking, know, dickhead attitude, as as talented as he is and... I mean, it's just not, it's no longer, it just doesn't provide um that connection.
00:22:17
Speaker
The asshole, arrogant NBA player, or any sport for that matter, is that this night it's not unique anymore, just being an arrogant basketball player. It's kind of boring in a way, too. It's boring, and then therere then you have the guys that are super, they're just super straight and narrow. Like, their interviews are so boring. It's like, just want to thank God. and And all of it's so boring, and there's no fights anymore, like no real interesting stuff happening.
00:22:41
Speaker
Yeah. The and NBA has squashed all the personality of the individual folks, and it's all about money. It's all about growing the audience, and that waters it down.
00:22:52
Speaker
Blah, blah, blah. Dude, but across society, Gen Z has so many issues. It's so unfulfilling, that generation. So that's what that's who's playing that.
00:23:03
Speaker
I mean, I think there's – I don't really like the modern game style, but I'm not one of those idiots that's like, the 80s was the best. yeah Like, you look online, there's people make fun of like, they would these guys wouldn't survive a second in 1985.
00:23:17
Speaker
Like, that fucking string bane John Sally on on the Pistons. Like, any guy would run through that fucking dude, like, in a second, any modern player. It's like, oh, Bill Ambier's gonna fucking stop LeBron.
00:23:31
Speaker
It's like, shut up. Oh, the 80s were so tough. It's like, those guys are fucking... like smoking cigarettes at halftime. All these guys now are freaks and just way bigger, way more athletic.
00:23:42
Speaker
I mean, so though I don't, I don't, yeah, I'm not like all the eighties. It was better, but I don't like the modern game. Like a guy passing up a layup to kick it out. So some other guy can throw up a fucking brick.
00:23:53
Speaker
is is is painful. but But there's like five players that I'd like to watch in the modern game. Because even Djokic will go outside and shoot a three. He was five for seven from three last night, but he can still pound inside.
00:24:04
Speaker
I like the way he plays a modern game. Brunson is the a great... Yeah.
00:24:12
Speaker
reason why he always does good in the playoffs because he's he he won't settle for the three he'll pull up like twelve feet and kind of use that that hole in the modern game defense there are guys doing it right but besides that it's incredibly boring slash kick out slash kickout and then I even on the pickup game that I play, there's all these guys that shoot. I'm known to not shoot.
00:24:34
Speaker
And I'm like, I shouldn't. None of you should. But there's guys there that consider themselves like guys that shoot threes, like all of them. One from 12. One for 12. Yeah. There's two guys that can shoot.
00:24:45
Speaker
Like yeah just literally two guys from outside of 15 feet. There's a, and, Everybody else is jacking up all the time. And I'm just like, i don't shoot because that's I shouldn't. Either should do. But I feel like that's the way in the NBA now. Just like, oh, he's a big guy that can shoot. He's not a big guy that can shoot. He's a big guy that will shoot.
00:25:03
Speaker
Like Porzingis won't. But I know it's not the point of this show. But anyways. No, no, I get you, dude. But help me understand why nobody can stay in front of another player in the and NBA.
00:25:14
Speaker
But yet in college, D1, you know, they will grind on a dude on D1. Have you been watching the playoffs though? Cause they is, that the game is better in the playoffs. I will say that like, yeah, but then what's the purpose of the regular season?
00:25:29
Speaker
yeah The regular season, like the first half is a joke. Like what's the purpose of it? It's just like you watch the, I'm saying like the first quarter of a game or the first half. It's I'm sure it looks like you when your son's on a six game of the weekend club ball, where everyone's just kind of fucking around. It's like, yeah.
00:25:46
Speaker
It's terrible, but but yeah, it's it's bad. I mean, it's hard to watch. If I'm not watching like a specific player, I can't really watch the NBA that much. Well, it's like, who do you root for? the The nice thing about the and that was some ugly basketball. it is a lot of unnecessary post-ups passing up wide open jumpers.
00:26:03
Speaker
But the teams and the rosters, like you said, you had a skinny John Sally and then like a shorter 6'5 fucking meathead. and mars Yeah, it looked like a neighborhood. Like if you assembled all your crew in your neighborhood, you're like, i got my buddy's tall, my buddy's a good athlete, he's the guard, and I got a fat kid who can bang on people.
00:26:23
Speaker
Right. And maybe it was pre-analytics. pre like like What are the physical characteristics? So when they got into all this wingspan shit and hand size shit, that's when I just start to like really not enjoy the sport the same way.
00:26:38
Speaker
I put Anthony Edwards on my list too, by the way. people that know how to play the modern game correctly. Oh, well, very entertaining. Yeah. Anyway, you see what I'm saying? I think it's a symptom of the broader society and optimizing and specializing. And these guys are so well-trained. And I think it's starting, it starts to get a little boring.
00:26:57
Speaker
And there are some exciting players. Don't get me wrong. There are some guys that do amazing things. Well, they're all freaks, man. Super fun to watch. But the differentiating factors are less.
00:27:09
Speaker
And then there's the storylines to me are no longer as interesting. But is it just simply WNBA is sort of infancy. It's cooler to watch something grow than to watch something that's mature. And you're just like, all right, this is what it is. And you're watching that kind of catch fire, hopefully a little bit.
00:27:26
Speaker
I think that's partly it, and I think that the storylines, there's more opportunity to run with those. And I like the fact that they finish college. I like the fact that this isn't necessarily the thing that... It's not like this get-rich-quick scheme.
00:27:42
Speaker
They're out there grinding. It's still... It's appealing in some way, because the because i think... the audience, the broader audience feels that way in the country. I think you'll see more fans go to that, like go watch something that feels a little more pure, ah less capitalistic.
00:28:00
Speaker
And it's going to, if it grows, it's going to get fucked like every other ah thing. But I think right now, you know, there's a working class aura to it that is that I appreciate. But also i'd like watching talented women hoop.
00:28:15
Speaker
You do. I have a feeling like most of the men listening to this are going to be like, I wouldn't, you couldn't pay me to sit down and watch a full NBA game. And the reality is women aren't, women don't support it.
00:28:27
Speaker
Like you, like women aren't like, like that's our, those are our girls. We should support it. Like women, like, so I wonder who do you think it'll grow through? Like man eventually will come around or what? It's growing. It's already growing. But I think- To who?
00:28:41
Speaker
I don't know. I think just overall populace is growing. Kaitlyn Clark is helping. Does your son watch it as a teenage basketball player? Does he keep track of the WNBA? He's aware of some of the drama.
00:28:52
Speaker
That'll take time. We're still talking about something that's growing. Kaitlyn Clark did a big- she Her and the- What's her name? Reese? they they put They put it on the map, so to speak. Well, it was already there. i mean, there are some studs from the the past.
00:29:07
Speaker
Well, there's that correlation on like Magic and Larry and what they did for the league. I think they might maybe not as big, but they did something like that for the WNBA. Yeah. Yeah, I think what they need to stop doing is the whole rallying cry of like, women are good too.
00:29:21
Speaker
They don't need to do that anymore. I'm telling you, it's clearly entertaining. I mean, you see Nafisa Collier in Minnesota and just like very attractive and very good.
00:29:33
Speaker
And that's, again, the attractiveness things, say what you want. Let me take a look. That helps. um I love Marine Yohannes from France who just has a weird style that I've never seen.
00:29:46
Speaker
I think there's a lot of future storylines here, especially as it as people are vying for attention in this space that might I might try to convince the people to put their eyeballs there.
00:29:58
Speaker
You don't like Nafisa? You're looking at her? No, i'm looking at Dorca. Her freaking name's Dorca. I'm trying to find Yafisa. Do you think that matters? Like, if if you were marking the league, would you you think it's it's a blow to shit if you don't think it matters for women? They're, like, looking at good-looking athletic dudes, too, right?
00:30:16
Speaker
Nafisa Collier. But do you think it matters that these girls look like or, like, cute girls compared to, like, what what needs to get better? She's 117 a game. This looks like a happy, happy girl. Is – Look at Sue Bird, dude. She was a legend and she is a lesbian, but she's got the girl next door vibe. Very cute.
00:30:34
Speaker
A middle-aged woman now, but look at her. She's still attractive, but like, I'm i'm just saying that helped. you were a commissioner though, would you be like, we got to get the game better ah we got to get more marketable, whether it's looks or just coolness? Like, I mean, the NBA players, regardless of looks, are seen as cool.
00:30:52
Speaker
You know, that there they're seen as cool. Like, sure um a WNBA player is like, Cool. Like little girls like, I want to be, I want to be dope like that girl. ah Yeah. I imagine. I imagine that's growing. Or even guys. Yeah.
00:31:04
Speaker
That's growing. If I'm an NBA commissioner, I am thinking about the marketability of my players. I'm actually probably thinking about, and I'm not telling anyone, but I may be thinking about race to some extent as well, because How do you do that though?
00:31:19
Speaker
I don't know. it's That's a tough thing. But I think white people like you want to see a successful white player. And they have wanted that since Larry Bird.
00:31:31
Speaker
They've wanted that since Larry Bird, which is why the terminology great white hope, the great white hope has been out there in the NBA for decades and decades.
00:31:42
Speaker
You just haven't seen many white boys live up to that. And none from America. You know, we live in a society that's got a racist past, but I think you get a fan base that craves that and they can find that in the WNBA. I've seen a lot of right wing dudes all of a sudden come out of nowhere in my family and talk about Caitlin Clark and how they're going to watch WNBA games.
00:32:05
Speaker
That's interesting. that Is that a positive?
00:32:11
Speaker
No, but maybe maybe that brings them to seeing, and starting to appreciate some African-American women or some people from other countries. I don't know what the demographics of the WNBA are.
00:32:23
Speaker
But, like, I bet you that commissioner thinks about that to an extent. um Dude, UConn is a fucking, man if like a,
00:32:35
Speaker
and Everybody good came out of you. Yeah. But they have to like, I think, and nobody will say this and I don't, it's like, agree. There's a perception in the broader public that it's like 90% lesbian.
00:32:49
Speaker
And I think somebody that is lesbian in that would say that that isn't broadly as marketable as your girl next door. who's got the boyfriend. And they'll come out and the women in WNBA who are not gay will come out and
Representation and Growth in the WNBA
00:33:02
Speaker
be like, oh, that's bullshit that you're not giving the same attention to my lesbian teammate who's black.
00:33:10
Speaker
And that's just sadly not the way the world works. I don't know how to reconcile that. but Nafisa is not lesbian. No, but I bet you the commissioners. That's not a stereotype, though. It's it's true.
00:33:22
Speaker
and don't But at what level? Like, do any of us really know? And does it matter? i mean, don't you like to go to the porn sites and watch two girls going at it just as much as you like penetration?
00:33:34
Speaker
No. Okay. Well, that's just your preference, Matt. You're not pinning me down on POS about porn, dude. Recent study, which is kind of funny. I'm interested in how they do these studies. It's like the girls are walking the locker room. They're just one at a time like, hey, are you lesbian?
00:33:50
Speaker
No. Jack, are you lesbian? Yes. This is cited by Marka, which is some tabloid. Who the fuck is Marka? It's tabloid. 38%. 38% WMA players identified as lesbian. thirty percent of yeah a player is identified as lesbian Yeah.
00:34:06
Speaker
I don't care too much about that. Now, I'd like them all to be hot, but I'm not sitting there thinking too much about that. Yeah. what like i wonder if that that might get people like, oh, these girls are hot, but does that does that detract from the ultimate goal or is it like it doesn't matter, rising tide? like the if you had It's like you need two good-looking girls to have a rivalry.
00:34:29
Speaker
They're trying to do that with Caitlin and Reese. They try to do it at least in in college, and it worked pretty well. Mm-hmm. It worked. I don't know if Caitlin was in that. and If i choose, I'm going with Reese. but but she's pretty She's very attractive, yeah. i don't want to yeah I don't want to get too... Well, it's an interesting thing, dude. because I know it is, but I don't want to sound like that's the primary factor because it is good basketball with very talented players regardless.
00:34:59
Speaker
regardless But if you take that out further you just think of how the and NBA works or or professional male sports, And there's like groupies and slots and everything. is that Does that happen in the NBA? You think that'll ever happen?
00:35:12
Speaker
yeah I don't think it's going to work. It just doesn't work that way, right? Because the player is probably not going to be like, oh, I'm a celebrity now. I can sleep with 10 men tonight if I want. I'm not sure women roll that way either. 10 white girls.
00:35:25
Speaker
I'm not sure women roll that way in the same way, dude. And there's safety concerns that are different. But yeah, no. It's not like fucking Julius Irving going out and Wilt Chamberlain poking eight girls in one night.
00:35:40
Speaker
But if it if it could, a woman's sport, get to like maybe not the those sexual things, but just sort of like that groupy like superstar appeal. Because they don't have that yet.
00:35:50
Speaker
They don't have that. tennis. Tennis has had some of that for for years. Now, that that sport's not on the scale of and NBA or NFL, but like. You don't think tennis is bigger? Serena Williams was probably the most famous person in the world for like 15 years. It's not bigger than the and and NBA or NFL.
00:36:09
Speaker
It's bigger than the WNBA. But, yeah. I bet you more people in the world know know about Serena Williams than Kyrie Irving. Argue that. I'm not going argue that.
00:36:21
Speaker
Okay. But, dude, I just think i think more i think it's not illogical to say more fans will go towards the at WNBA. And I think there is a sense now I'm speaking from a statistical N of one, a sense of disillusionment with the and NBA. And I'm just not sure what's pulling me back to go see these games.
00:36:43
Speaker
Do you – all right. Like – there's a There's probably a team local aspect of WNBA they can rally on. And I've listened people talk about this with baseball. It's like you can't market. it and The NFL, you can kind of market nationally.
00:36:59
Speaker
And people that follow baseball, it's more like your local team. Like everyone in St. Louis likes the cards. Might not give a shit about baseball, but they're all like cards are playing. I think i think you can do that with the WNBA.
00:37:12
Speaker
It's like your community thing. and And first of all, it could be good locally like that. But I think the NBA went crazy on like sort of international, like marketing stars. And they were able to do that. Like Jordan were like, everyone in the country was a Bulls fan. or Everyone was a,
00:37:27
Speaker
All the white people were Celtics fans and whatever. But, like, I think they they kind of lost that because nobody really, nobody really like, you don't identify with some of these new players. you just it doesn't It's, like, not new or exciting anymore. just, like, people.
00:37:42
Speaker
No. It's peaked. Yeah, it's peaking. And so, like, yeah, Denver basketball is hot because they're good, and it's more like a community thing where it's, like, ah, my hometown team, right, whether I like basketball or not.
00:37:53
Speaker
I think that's part of it with all these sports, but I think the WNBA should, maybe they already are, but you start there. maybe Maybe, actually, maybe I'm wrong because, like, the Caitlin, I just said the Caitlin Clark thing was big for the sport, but, like, how do you, yeah you know, you're not going to, most people, whether they're sexist or or worried about lesbians, don't, if you don't live there, you don't you're not going to give a fuck about the Atlanta dream.
00:38:19
Speaker
It's not. Unless they've got a good, a really good player with a storyline that in some way you to. So you you got push the player to get the league going? Lexi Hall. You got Lexi Hall. you No, she's not.
00:38:32
Speaker
She's like a role player, dude. She's in my thing right now. but she's She's a grinder. You can mark her. Mark her down for Matt. Lexi Hall. it's like a she's a gri Man, you know the league well. You know that she's a grinder?
00:38:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. she She could be a starter, actually. she's she plays She plays whatever role is needed, as far as I can tell. I think we talked about this girl before. Yeah, she's ah she's ah she's a hustler who'll get the loose ball and that kind of stuff.
00:39:01
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Yep, yep, yep. Have you ever met anyone ever who knows or cares about the WNBA as much as you? I mean, I don't have a huge network in that sense. I don't talk to humans, so it's hard for me it's hard for me to say.
00:39:19
Speaker
Well, I don't have it. All the basketball families you hang out with because of your son's rigorous schedule. and You go, oh, you see that Minnesota-Atlanta game the other day? Like, has that ever happened? Shit like that.
00:39:30
Speaker
No, it doesn't come up because I i think what they're all in the space where, i don't know, they've just seen so much basketball. So we're not sitting there talking about more basketball usually. Following Denver for sure. They'll follow Denver. If we had a local WNBA team, I think it would be successful in this state for sure.
00:39:48
Speaker
You think the key might be, what is Denver considered a tier one market now? Like maybe, that's the other thing that you look at last night, the Nuggets played Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City, it's a freaking party.
00:40:00
Speaker
Like, everybody's all in because that's, that's it. It's a small town. Right. And they got a professional team. And maybe that's, you know, you all, we got it. We got to get to LA. We got to get to New York. Those are the major media markets. Maybe you put a team in fucking, i don't know, somewhere. Something like so even St. Louis is kind of a small town now, put a team in St. Louis. And then you're like, all right, hit that tab.
00:40:24
Speaker
Not maybe Chicago is too inundated with other forms of entertainment to get that league popping on like a local level. i'd be I'd be curious how they think about it. Yeah, I wonder if they think about demographics and like we want a strong gay community.
00:40:38
Speaker
i don't know that it goes that far, but I think you've probably given the nature of our society, you want a fairly liberal market. I don't think a podunk town is going to go over well.
00:40:50
Speaker
Not really meshing with family values of Sioux Falls, South Dakota. You're thinking more like a smaller town generally skews conservative and... it's just not a place where that you're going to hype a WNBA market.
00:41:03
Speaker
That's just not going to happen. mecca for the last four years was was Iowa. Iowa City, Iowa. Yeah, but that's all white. they love It's all white girls, dude. All white girls, all people they can relate to.
00:41:18
Speaker
um And Iowa produces some, let's be honest, Iowa produces some pretty damn good white boy athletes, white girl and white boy athletes. So that's what they love and they're used to. and And the brothers don't want to go play at Iowa and the sisters don't want to go play at Iowa because for whatever reason, that state specifically is white.
00:41:36
Speaker
Well, after that Ronnie Harmon gambling fiasco in 82, He ruined it for everybody. but Yeah. Do you think you think young young black girls are supporting the WNBA?
00:41:50
Speaker
you have dan any read on that? I think they're probably interested in it. I think all the young people are a little too interested in the drama. But like if they're in into basketball, yeah, they're watching it. That's where they're trying to go if they're hurt with their hoopers.
00:42:02
Speaker
um it's interesting to me that these women want to play in the WNBA, even though they're making five, six, seven, eight times more going out internationally. That's true.
00:42:13
Speaker
Uh-huh. Oh yeah. A lot of them. Yeah. Cause you look at the model for some of these women's sports and you look at Europe, as you know, I've mentioned lot. I bet on all sorts of volleyball. The, the, the Italian women's volleyball league looks like and NBA game. 20,000 people. They're going crazy. Like,
00:42:30
Speaker
Women's sports thrive in other other places. And i I feel like it's like a combination. I haven't looked into the economics of it, but it's a combination of philanthropy plus you know market dynamics where you get a big rich person that comes in and just loves – the idea of supporting a sport and it's just a part of status, but I don't know. you a lot of these, a lot of these things are like a sports program.
00:42:56
Speaker
So Barcelona has a football team. They have a basket men's basketball team and they've got their female side. So it all like runs together. i don't know if that helps, but like if the nuggets had the lady nuggets, I don't know if it's better or what, or if it's if if they're there, they want to think of it as its own thing.
00:43:14
Speaker
But, uh, Yeah, you're right, though. You're saying like money and make it it make it an experience. Don't make it a second-rate thing. Make it the same experience and then see what what what the playing field is. Well, and I think women's soccer is pretty close in terms of entertainment value men's.
00:43:32
Speaker
Football, as you call it. I don't know if that's because, don't know, the soccer players, they're pretty attractive. That helps. Like, they were like... flaunting like Hope Solo and faces like that. And what's her face? Alex Morgan, who plays soccer for years.
00:43:50
Speaker
And there's just a lot, there seems to be a lot more of those ah pretty, pretty girls. But I'm just saying a lot of people follow women's soccer. You're giving Hope Solo attractive or not?
00:44:01
Speaker
I can't remember. She's a goalie. Yeah, I think she's attractive. Alex Morgan is more classically attractive. these were These are from yesteryear, dude. I know there's like some some young women that are ah attracting.
00:44:15
Speaker
the none I don't care. I just didn't understand the point. like If you're saying soccer is benefiting from like these girls kind of being... I'm just saying that there's there's something about women's soccer that it doesn't feel like there's a huge gap.
00:44:29
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Alex Morgan, though, can help promote the game. In this country, dude. ah She's done. She retired. Yeah, she's 35. um But anyway, I think that's going to happen with the WNBA. And it's not just about hot girls, although I think, sadly, that helps.
00:44:46
Speaker
um I don't know if it's a sad thing. I think just buy ah biology. I think it is a little bit. It's like... I mean, it's almost the contrary to what you're saying a little bit. It's like you like them because they're kind of quiet and they do it the right way and they play the game right and they're not just whiny assholes.
00:45:05
Speaker
But if you look at this like this girl, Megan Rapinoe, who was a pretty outspoken footballer, right? Yeah, she's awesome. yeah She's married to Sue Bird, by the way.
00:45:17
Speaker
Yeah. that's That's great. But like it was it's not that she's so hot. It's that she was like... She is attractive, though. But she's lesbian, not which is why you can never be you could never say it.
00:45:30
Speaker
Sorry to interrupt, Matt. Not at all, dude. Not at all. i like ah I like a lesbian look, dude, short hair and everything. um I like it, but that's not the point. i don't need I don't want Megan to think that I i support her u s U.S. World Cup matches because of that.
00:45:45
Speaker
What I'm saying is she had like some strong personality. I think sometimes we gravitate to these athletes because of that. where where Maybe if you're just like, yeah, we're these fucking... whatever, these kind of anti-society basketball playing bitches that don't talk and we're weird. you know like It's like, no, just be comfortable with who you are and fucking be outspoken. you want they you know Not only do they need a Magic and and Larry and Michael, they need a Charles Barkley, this is girl who's fucking joking around, who speaks her mind, who's funny, and like they need all that shit. and I think they die.
00:46:20
Speaker
yeah They have somebody like that? Who's that? think the WNBA has those personalities. I think Angel Reese is purposely ah putting herself in the path of attention and it's part of her marketing plan, which I'm fine with.
00:46:34
Speaker
But these all these these the marginalized people, they always it's sad that they have to go through it. It's the same with like black athletes. ah Jackie Robinson couldn't come out and be Charles Barkley. He had to be like, yes, sir, no, sir. like like orer Take a lot of shit, take people trying to spike them, and just be great.
00:46:51
Speaker
That's all he could do was be great and take shit. And now these women probably for a while, it's just like, oh, who's this who's this girl? Thinks she's fucking women's rights, whatever. you know People are still like that. So now it's like, right.
00:47:02
Speaker
Fuck all that shit, show your personality and people gravitate a little bit. Yeah, maybe, yeah, I think so. I think this, and I wanna say, like ah ah we're talking about the things that I think people think.
00:47:14
Speaker
I'm not sitting here thinking about how many lesbians there are in WNBA and soccer all the time. i'm not I'm not doing that. I think they're playing the game in the right way and it's entertaining to me.
00:47:27
Speaker
And so I don't want to discount that, dude, because there's something for me personally that's more impressive when I see women athletes excel and stand out amongst their competitors.
00:47:40
Speaker
Maybe there's a storyline in my head that they've had to like grind their way through there's their town growing up and people like going, oh you're ah you're a you're a jock. You're not a typical girl or tomboy Yeah, you're a tomboy. That's the right term.
00:47:57
Speaker
Maybe there's a storyline in my head, but like I can see, i can notice what's impressive and what's like, wow, more now than I can in men's sports.
00:48:08
Speaker
There's something diluted in men's sports. One of the, I think, appeals of football and why that remains like the biggest sport in America, despite all of its violence and all of its detriment to society, that's that's too far.
00:48:23
Speaker
But is that there's there are different roles that people can relate to. There's the fat guy protector. There's a fucking smart um analyzer dude at quarterback.
00:48:36
Speaker
There's the explosive highlight reel. You know, I don't know. I think there's better storylines in the WNBA. Caitlin Clark obviously brought that out.
00:48:47
Speaker
When Sabrina Inescu went and shot against Seth Curry and only lost by like, this is a three-point contest. I don't know. She didn't lose by much.
00:48:58
Speaker
That was pretty eye-opening for some people. You think it'd help if they did exhibition games against NBA teams or hurt? I'm not one of these idiots that thinks there's a they would win a a competitive balance here. I think that would be absurd.
00:49:15
Speaker
Well, I ask that because you just mentioned the three-point contest. Well, I mean, that's a place where they can reasonably compete. So I think she shot with a men's ball too, by the way. You sound like...
00:49:27
Speaker
Everybody shoots them. All girls I know that play basketball, they end up getting real comfortable with a size seven because that's where everyone plays, like pick up ball and shit. And then when they go their own games and they they have a six and they feel all weird.
00:49:39
Speaker
say But yeah I ask that because you mentioned the three-point contest. but ah So it's like, all right, how how far do you want to go with that? Like that head-to-head competition where they go.
00:49:51
Speaker
right. Because it might hurt it might hurt a little bit. Okay, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah let me try to break this down. I have not made any sense in the last five podcasts, but this one, I want to break it down. There's a likability factor for me happening in the WNBA that I don't no longer have in the NBA.
00:50:10
Speaker
Aside from Jalen Brunson, I don't like anybody. i don't like I don't even gravitate towards it like a white boy because that's what I could relate to. I don't really have, I used to like... love isaiah thomas back in the day i don't really have anybody that i like i don't know why that is but there's a likability factor in the wnba i follow i can follow the players out where's this girl from where'd she go to college in the nba it's like oh where'd he come from oh he he was fucking groomed at img academy and he trained with just all so more and much more convoluted right and you are a rare you are a unicorn i think the
00:50:50
Speaker
I don't think so anymore. I think there's more people coming on board with that sentiment. So we'll see. We'll see. I think you're, I get, you I get your skepticism. You sound like one of those dads whose daughter's playing sports. Like I, some of these girls can beat the guys. Like they're always just walking around promoting women's sports. Like always.
00:51:08
Speaker
I mean, dude, I have my daughter right now. She's 13. she's a great athlete and i see her surf i see her play soccer and she's still at an age where she's better like as strong as most of the guys i have no doubt though in like three or four years she's gonna be like this is gonna be harder her to compete physically because of what her where her body's gonna get to well against dudes yeah yeah that's not what i'm after i'm not after proving who's stronger and fast i'm not after that No, but I think there's that is such an that argument, which not an argument, reality, is such an uphill battle for the WNBA. for people that are just like I think i think on like a twenty if they can stay alive on like a 15 to 20-year scale, because the younger generation is like so incredibly soft, I don't think these things will like matter to them. So they'll be a little more gender-free in their thoughts.
00:52:01
Speaker
so But like your thing, i like you just the personalities in the game is better to watch is a great point. It's a great reason to like something. I just wonder how many people can get there.
00:52:12
Speaker
Well, even like... So you're overcoming when you're rooting, like we like our track to rarity and when you're rooting for something that feels new, everything I guess is seems more impressive to you.
00:52:26
Speaker
So when I see a woman do a double counter, shake and bake move, and then drop into a Euro, I'm like, damn. Right. Cause it's not something I'm exposed to. You don't get that really at the high school level for girls basketball.
00:52:41
Speaker
And so there's some, there's a real talent difference that's like, oh shit. Or you see her drop a logo, somebody drop a logo three and you're like. Yeah. And now you, if you see Steph do it, you're like, great. Well, right, yeah. I mean, then Buddy Heald comes off the bench and shoots almost just as good, and you're like, what? what You just expect it in the NBA. Actually, yeah, the Buddy thing was is actually kind of cool for exactly what you're saying because it like, who's this guy It doesn't feel like there's anything new and exciting in the NBA. like I expect you're going to see the same prototype players do this. that's Again, that's why Jokic is so compelling to white people like you.
00:53:21
Speaker
Dude, Jokic is compelling to everyone. Every Hall of Famer, every hall of famer white or black, is like that guy could play in any.
00:53:32
Speaker
He's the guy that they're like, he could he could be one of us. Whether it's Shaq or Barkley or Burt. But ah what I think is might happen is like, and you know the game pretty well. That's the other thing.
Cultural Influences in Sports
00:53:45
Speaker
Because so many people don't know shit about basketball, even people play basketball, that the idea of like ah these these little little things that they're doing at such a talented and repeatable level, they don't know what that is.
00:53:58
Speaker
Like some people still think a dunk is like impressive or it's like, it's not impressive. There's somebody if you're over six, three, it's not, it's nothing to worry. Like an NBA player that donks, it's like, Oh my God, he done. It doesn't matter. It does nothing for me.
00:54:12
Speaker
Right. Like, so, but when this girl does some those moves, you're just saying a lot of people don't get that. That's amazing. So it's like, that's the hard, that's the hard sell. Cause they're, they're winning you over with this like really technically sound basketball moves because they're beacon because that's the way it is.
00:54:30
Speaker
And then it's, so some people have to come on board with that and they might not be able to see it for while. Yeah. I just think it's easier to root for right now. I don't, I mean, the NBA has lost its, again, i just don't know.
00:54:42
Speaker
It's like, but is that the competition though? I don't know if that's the competition. well but, but hold on. It's like rooting for sitting here, rooting for Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and like, it's It's been hijacked, I think, by, again, capitalism.
00:54:57
Speaker
And it's ah in a way that like, what do you have to play for, dude? You just signed a seven-year, $240 million dollars contract. guaranteed You're playing for your legacy, sure, but you're probably going to protect yourself throughout the year. You just don't have that battle mentality, and I think that's still in the WNBA.
00:55:19
Speaker
That's probably what people want to see from the 80s where it's like, it wasn't that much at stake, right? Yeah. and In terms of your financial reward. So you were going to just go in for the love of the game, pound and sacrifice your body a little more. And you saw these dumb asses with that white ah sort of bandage tape around their knees all the time back in the day.
00:55:41
Speaker
And we don't have that anymore. We have a very like, they're assets, they're resources, and we're going to shift them and move them and you know They're like divisions of ah of a major corporation. It's like, we're goingnna we need to manage Tatum. Load management. Yeah. It's just not appealing.
00:55:59
Speaker
Not appealing. i just get I don't know if this is just the way. like I think what you don't think, like you don't see, at least you perceive, these guys aren't even basketball fans.
00:56:12
Speaker
like They don't love the game. They look it as the way you look at a career on Wall Street something. Whereas the women seem like they still love the game. There's a perception that they're there because they love the game.
00:56:24
Speaker
Right. That's a perception. I think to play that high level, you would have to love it. But it does feel that way. Like after a while. Low management or someone like Kyrie who I love. i mean, Kyrie is somebody I still love watching, him but or he'll be like disengaged for half a season or something. You're like, and there's something else going on here.
00:56:43
Speaker
And that's like turn some people off, know? Yeah. Now we should acknowledge the flip side of like the players have a lot more power than they did. That's probably a good thing as they're the revenue source, but that can run wild too.
00:56:55
Speaker
Like I don't need a fashion show when you walk into the gym for the game. I don't need all that BS. But now the NBA is trying to do that. I see you see some clips of the girls walking in and and of course they're all wearing Carhartt and fucking. know, I hate that.
00:57:10
Speaker
They get it for free and they're sponsored. It's like... Are they? Yeah. I'd rather see a woman come in with her baby in her arm and some... Her baby in her arm. Her spandex and her tank top because she's... The game's in Phoenix, for fuck's sake.
00:57:29
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Walk in. No, I disagree. like Not because I want to see them dressed up in miniskirts, but like I think the game's going to... If they get all like like what you're saying...
00:57:40
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I think, unfortunately, they're going to be held to a higher standard if the game's going to thrive in their own community, like in women's community. They come walking in like in gym clothes and shit, then women are going to – women that are are straight. I said spandex, bro. That's – You're saying like yoga pants maybe, something like that? the tight volleyball player type spandex. Okay. You're like, oh, really, really sex it up?
00:58:02
Speaker
Yeah, but with baby and arm. Yeah, it's like, I do it all. I play hoops, I got a great ass, I got a baby. That's right. Go fuck yourself. Well, that's something that women can do uniquely.
00:58:14
Speaker
And I think that there's storylines in that. And they don't- They look good and be a woman. They don't even talk, I swear, they don't even talk about, like, this this chick's got kids, dude. She's got kids.
00:58:26
Speaker
That question but came out of her body. do a lot of Yeah. I mean, it's a young girls. Some of them do, and but they got kids that came out of their body and they're coming back to the game and tearing it up. Kind of like their baby tore up their vagina.
00:58:39
Speaker
And that's not talked about because nobody wants to talk about. Yeah. But people, some of them might be people would criticize that person as a mom, you know, like, Oh, you're on tour, you're traveling, you're doing this. It's like, but that's a, that's a thing that, uh,
00:58:55
Speaker
I just look at it as not my fucking problem. Well, I think that could attract people to be fans too, but don't you think like yeah i and overcoming, but anyway, you're never going to get around to this.
00:59:07
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No, I mean, this this is where the conversation should should lie because either go, I mean, this kind of goes back to stuff that you don't like either. either go, the WNBA has got its 15 teams. It's a niche.
00:59:21
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There's not going to be that many Lances out there. guy like Matt on the fence. i yeah I've actually texted you on Sundays because I think the WNBA is on here on Sundays. Like, I'm going watch this game, and then you tell me about players.
00:59:33
Speaker
And I'll watch it. This basketball. And I'd rather watch that than some fucking Mexican football game or or some stupid country that I don't care about that they have 1,000 football games on.
00:59:44
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But like I could I could watch it. I don't know if I get down and be like a fan of like, OK, I'm Minnesota and I'm buying buying gear.
00:59:55
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But there's a whole there's a whole part of the population that maybe we disagree on that they're never coming on board. You think they might. I think that there there might be enough there.
01:00:07
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There might be enough storyline. And Caitlin Clark, for whatever reason, and I love the players like complaining about, oh, they created a hero and a villain and the black girl's the villain.
01:00:19
Speaker
And it's like, well, whatever was created and it's working. had to. Yeah, exactly. It's working. So like you're you're all way more prominent. I don't think that was created. you have You have an outspoken girl who's who's not afraid to express her confidence, and you got that typical kind of quiet.
01:00:40
Speaker
But Caitlin, she's transcendent for that league in the sense that if you just just go on YouTube, there're and I have to believe these are sourced from right-wing type dudes.
01:00:51
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there's all this like grievance controversy of how she was refed so poorly and, and hit and hacked and, uh, how she's been treated so badly by the WNBA. And I just kind of laugh.
01:01:05
Speaker
I like, yeah, if you looked at anybody over the course of the season, they probably got hacked and didn't, there was a no call, but whatever. There's just so much content on that, and I think she's helped create tons of different storylines.
01:01:18
Speaker
That's got to be good for the league that people are bitching about. I think so. and then it And it started with some old players saying, look, I mean, we we were – don't forget how good we were. And I'm like, yeah, you were.
01:01:30
Speaker
Diana Taurasi is an example, but like – You didn't bring this. Did you move the needle? did you You didn't bring this. Right. and they And they were criticizing Sabrina Onescu when she came in, but she didn't do anywhere near what Caitlin Clark is bringing to the mix. Now, why Caitlin Clark?
01:01:48
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Obviously, she's very talented. She does things that, you know, we don't typically see, especially with the deep threes, at least in college. her court vision is what I'm impressed with. Yeah, it's impressive.
01:02:00
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It's impressive. I'm like, ah, she's she does, like, You'll watch like five minute spurts of her game and she'll she'll do everything. Yeah, like shoot whatever like ah she will. But let's be real, dude. I see some sisters going around, dude, with way more shake and bake, entertaining movement.
01:02:16
Speaker
And let's not act like Caitlin is on her own team. Oh, yeah. So let's not act like she's all that, please. But yes. I'm just saying, i she her style of play is interesting. Like as a distributor, all that stuff.
01:02:32
Speaker
But her style sort of play looks to me like someone who's had to overcome like maybe all her life she's been a little slower, a little less fast, so she's gotten really creative. I don't know, man. I don't know. That girl seems pretty fast to me. But, yeah, maybe on this. She would light me up. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying. yeah To your point, there's girls that look more athletic, more fast twitch muscles, more everything than her.
01:02:58
Speaker
She's not the fastest on the court. Just more smooth, especially on the drive, on the drive. But like- this girl, Angela Reese is dope. mean, she's a beast. Yeah, but she's, her game is boring. I mean, that's the whitest game I've ever seen. She plays like me.
01:03:14
Speaker
She plays like me. She's like 10 and eight. Like me every time. Yeah, like you. Yeah. But like this, the impressive part about Clark, which is similar to like a Jokic, not comparing only in this sense, is that like people think they're going to stop them.
01:03:33
Speaker
And she thought this girl would get in the WNBA and they're going to stop her. They're saying the same shit about Paige Buker's coming out of Yukon. Like, oh, she won't do as well. And I'm pretty sure she will because that whatever reason they figured out how to find spots. And that's what athletes do regardless of fast twitch or whatever.
01:03:52
Speaker
So what happened? I'm like Angela Reese. She's picked number seven. Caitlin went number one, right? It's Indiana. So yeah what about the other five girls in between? Like,
01:04:04
Speaker
What's going on there? Who was number two, that Stanford girl? or I forget. somebody in South Carolina? She was up there. But you're clearly de clearly creating the media is like trying to help by creating this. It's like Caitlin versus Angel, but there's five other players apparently were relevant and on draft day.
01:04:22
Speaker
Well, and they are. They still are. i mean, what? Cameron Brink. Oh, yeah. that's Super hot, dude. And she got hurt. But she was – that's Is that the girl from Stanford? It's like tall girl?
01:04:35
Speaker
Or is that somebody else? Uh-huh. And she was swatting shots like Dikembe, dude, until she got hurt. So she was pretty entertaining. And she has a weird body, like a different body. Like that's what I like too is the women have – They have some different looks.
01:04:52
Speaker
Cameron Brink. And then let's not just shout out the honkies, bro, because you're pulling me into that. I've been talking about Angel Reese for hours. You're saying her game white. Well, but Angel Reese, okay, if you like, Aja Wilson is the stud that actually does what Angel Reese wants to do, but way more smoothly, way more effectively, times three.
01:05:13
Speaker
The sad truth is, though, just looking around here, Cameron Brink is probably good for the league. ah Exactly. Okay. okay And look at one more thing to end this pod.
01:05:25
Speaker
not I'm not even close to ending. Juju Watkins out of USC blew her knee out, but I want you to look at the athleticism and the smoothness of that that player and her highlights. And she happens to be attractive and she has it all.
01:05:40
Speaker
she's got i know She's still in college. Yeah, she's very athletic, but she blew her knee out, so she's going have a recovery and hopefully she comes back. I mean, these ACL tears are a dime a dozen now, but she'll probably come back fine wakin
01:05:57
Speaker
come back fine. what's your POS on this, and what's your call to action? What's the point? you You want more people to get into the WNBA, you don't care. if you're just happy that you have it since you in some of the other sports are letting you down lately.
01:06:13
Speaker
I guess I'm a piece of shit, dude, because i'm I'm looking for lately ways to counter what I think is this burgeoning movement of masculinity and putting women in their place.
01:06:25
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And this is a space where I actually think women will grow and outpace, at least from a growth perspective, men. That's why it's interesting to me.
01:06:36
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And this right wing culture, dude, that's getting, taking hold in this trad wife bullshit. And it just, as somebody that has a daughter, i i can't stomach it.
01:06:49
Speaker
I can't stomach it. So this is an avenue for me to talk some shit. You think this is anti the movement, anti-right, the WNBA?
01:07:03
Speaker
I don't even know what right means anymore, dude, but it's definitely. Well, it's anti some of the stuff that's bothering you right now a little bit. It's going a different direction, maybe something like that.
01:07:15
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's it's I'm not i not embellishing my interest in it. I just have a more fun time over the last year and a half, like following and looking up WNBA players. They're easier to follow.
01:07:29
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I don't know. That's it.
01:07:32
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i think it's I think it's good. i just think it's going to – I think it'll be a niche. I don't know what happens with the NBA. I always feel like the NBA is always – I just – I mean, I honestly feel like there is a hint of racism that will always keep the NBA not being the most prominent sport.
01:07:51
Speaker
It's also very hard to play. There's less people on the court, so less people play it in general. Or, like, every jackass now can be on a high school football team, at least be, like, the 100th man. So that's become, like, the national sport. But you're right. There's, like, at least some relatable people in football. i feel like the NBA, like – Now, relatable. Let's talk about the race race thing then. Because I think it's, let's just call it out.
01:08:14
Speaker
I think that's what's, that would be what holds the NBA back a little bit. But but like the demographics of our society are changing. But I wonder. Not like that.
01:08:26
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If white dudes have trouble like fanning out over a team that's like, so I think there's some NBA teams that are just 100% black.
01:08:37
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Yeah, like the – well, I was going to say Minnesota. They do have my Italian brother, Vincenzo, who I think is half African-American. Well, I mean, to have a prominent – But, yeah, they're pretty black.
01:08:49
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Memphis – actually, Memphis has – what's that guy? Yeah. ah You're going to get me in a situation where i'm listing white players again. I'm not taking the bait, dude. No, no, but there's that they're like – it's like pointing out – One of them is French. um It's like pointing out the non-sugared cereal in the cereal aisle. Like you can, you can find it right away.
01:09:08
Speaker
Right. Well, that's the stupidest analogy ever created. I just said, right. Blew past it. there's There's less. There's definitely, there is a revival. There's a white revival, but I still, I mean, it's just, I still, I just think it's looked at as well. The number one pick overall is going to be a white gringo.
01:09:28
Speaker
Yeah. For the first time in how long. This probably Keith Van Horn, maybe. I don't know that he was number one. Was he number one? Was Christian Leitner number one? I think – I don't know Leitner went – I think Ray Mercer was in the Van Horn draft.
01:09:42
Speaker
He might have went number one out of Kentucky. but Yeah, or it's some tall motherfucker who like Sean Bradley or something. I don't know. you don't You don't think racism – I just think, I still think there's enough white male Americans that they like it, but they're like, that's a black thing.
01:10:01
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It's not like racism. And a bit of it's a reality that black culture has taken basketball over. I think it's been a good thing. And they've embraced it as their own, but yeah still. We call those hockey fans.
01:10:13
Speaker
It's true. Like, so easy for a white a white middle-aged white guy to to get into hockey. I just like to their attitudes and the way they are. They're always like showing guys like shaking hands. and and you know like well that's But there's cultural differences, and that that sport has become – I mean, that this isn't like shocking material.
01:10:34
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It's become identified with black culture. I think some some white Americans still – they might not admit it, but they have an issue with that. I've overcome it by embracing white basketball players.
01:10:45
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I think you're probably right and in that we can look at our ah black people as entertaining, but it's not going to be our storyline. It's really going to hook us in.
01:10:57
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And I'm saying that not for myself, but I'm just, I'm saying that is probably an issue in the broader public. Is it just that race? You think?
01:11:09
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I don't know. I mean, Latino people have almost nobody to root for in the NBA. Yeah, I just meant general. like i know I think that people might have admit it, but they – so I cut you off there. I don't I'll let you finish if you're going to hit a home run there before I cut you off. oh yeah You're saying that all races are more comfortable ah with with themselves and with people that are like them.
01:11:31
Speaker
Is that what you're saying? No, I'm saying i still feel like an underlying factor for the NBA is like it's seen as a black thing. And some people, whether they admit it or not, aren't comfortable with that because they're still like you said, maybe we can acknowledge them as being entertaining. But that's like that's the step people are willing to take.
01:11:50
Speaker
But you see a sport like baseball, it's like there's a like a Japanese invasion happening. And I just white people don't seem to have an issue with rooting for like Asians. was just wondering if it's still like embedded in that deep and just that black versus white tension racism. I think it is a little bit. I don't know. I think people have tuned the tuned way out of baseball, but I would say that it's harder for you for somebody to come and go, that's my guy.
01:12:15
Speaker
That's my Straight up black dude. Yep. I'd say it's harder. And I'd say it's potentially harder for a black guy to do that with a white guy. you don't i don't I haven't talked to a lot of black hockey fans. yeah Now there's people that don't fit the mold.
01:12:28
Speaker
Just saying. it's always It always comes back to Charles Barkley, man. He's the he's the guy. He's the best. loves hockey. He's outspoken. He loves Jokic. he He'll criticize a black guy. He'll love a black guy If we all be a little more like Charles, it'd be great.
01:12:46
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now I trust him, but I don't trust Stephen A. sometimes where he's like just getting on there talking shit about like how everybody hated on Caitlin Clark and they were stupid to do so.
01:12:58
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my He was taken up for her? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I just think you I'm probably forced that. I can't do Stephen A. Smith. want to go down that path, but I can't do it. well but I'm happy to hear that, though.
01:13:12
Speaker
I thought he would kind of lean the other way. like Race-wise, he's always seemed to be going the other way with it. yeah dante I don't know,
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01:13:20
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but I hope you're right. i mean as We both have daughters.
01:13:23
Speaker
Not that that matters, but I hope you're right just because First of all, it's just another entertainment a stream. like i yeah To me, it's a different game, which is fine.
01:13:34
Speaker
So it's like if you like that style of basketball, it's good. i'm just I'm just saying Paige Buchers is like Rip Hamilton. Remember Rip Hamilton? Rip the Pistons guy? No, she shoots deeper. That's a UConn.
01:13:47
Speaker
She's a mid-range freak, dude. See, I would like to see more rips that realized, all right, I can pop mid-range. I can break a defense down mid-range instead of jacking up logo threes and fucking kick it. Like, Rip was a – he was like, yeah, mid-range, right?
01:14:04
Speaker
Yeah. I like that. Mid-range. Well, I hope you're right about the WNBA, bro. All right, buddy. hope it takes over the NFL. That's Lance's prediction.
01:14:15
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By 2028, the will take over the NFL as the number one sport in the U.S. No. Cut. No. Click. Click. no Nice to have you back though, dude. Nice to have you back.
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