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Dark Woke
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Is "Dark Woke" a new strategy for the left?
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Rainbows and LGBTQ+ Symbology
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Speaker
Is that a rainbow?
00:00:08
Speaker
ah rainbow parachute? That's so gay. What the fuck you talk about gay? Rockets are gay now? Oh, you think cause Trump president, all luminous colors, gay?
00:00:23
Speaker
no So after it rains and you see refracted light in the form of a rainbow instead of pot of gold at the end of that motherfucker, you think there's a crowd of naked gay
The 'Gay Rocket' Skit
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dudes? No.
00:00:33
Speaker
That what you think? No. So you look through a kaleidoscope and see all those beautiful colors and think about gay dudes doing 69 and shit. That what you think? No. Let me guess, little box of crayons reminds you San Francisco Pride Parade. No. That what you think?
00:00:49
Speaker
No. You call my rocket gay. This is a black powder launch rocket with a multi-color parachute. I shot this powerful motherfucker into the sky pussy and all you have to say is gay.
Introducing 'Dark Woke'
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Speaker
That's not what I meant. Stupid ass MAGA motherfucker.
00:01:10
Speaker
DarkWoke. Fight back against MAGA. Hey Matt, thanks for doing the reading buddy. Thanks for doing the reading. I missed that one i was in my car dude.
00:01:21
Speaker
I thought it was just that sweet, sweet skit. I didn't realize it was actually an article from GQ magazine.
'Dark Woke' vs MAGA
00:01:30
Speaker
Well, see, folks, I gave Matt an article to read to prep for this episode, an article about a concept called dark woke, which apparently is way for the left, the liberal left, to more aggressively rebut things.
00:01:45
Speaker
that MAGA sensibility, that crude, maybe even cruel MAGA sensibility, that insensitivity. And the left is, at least, maybe it's a fad, but they're trying to be a little more hardcore, trying to talk a little more
Left's Empathy vs Right's Bluntness
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shit.
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And I wanted Matt to read an article because, you know, I don't want him asking me what the fuck this is about all episode. So... what What do you think the Dark Woke? like and The article is kind of confused. I'm reading it now. of course, I'm cramming everyone because I didn't do my homework for the show.
00:02:20
Speaker
But I don't necessarily understand it. like ah like the actions of First of all, is this a thing where like if I was in the U.S., everyone's like referring to the Dark Woke the way they're referring to Woke and MAGA and whatever else?
00:02:35
Speaker
It hasn't caught on that way. I just thought it was funny. So this particular article says that it won't work, that it's a passing fad, that kind of like brat was ah something the Democrats were owning, this this idea of being brat, which I barely know what that means. But anyway, they were owning that during the Kamala campaign.
00:02:56
Speaker
But this, I thought, was particularly funny because... There's this ah potentiality, I guess, of combating Trumpism and MAGA with a version of left cruelty and shit talking that we haven't seen.
00:03:12
Speaker
So the left has prided themselves on ah this empathetic, let's fight for marginalized communities and at times at the expense of everyone else or or all sensibility.
Political Strategies for Democrats
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Expensive votes.
00:03:25
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Yeah, the expense of votes and campaign donations. ah It appeals to me because I've always said that, you know, you could combat Trump by just fucking trashing him.
00:03:37
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Like a Jon Stewart type just beating the shit out of him. Jon Stewart wouldn't, i don't think he wouldn't, he's not, he wouldn't qualify as a dark woke, would No, no, not at all. I don't know how you say it, what the right preposition is or article.
00:03:50
Speaker
Yeah. No, no, he wouldn't. He wouldn't. But I'm just saying that somebody that could match the entertainment value of of ah Donald Trump, but just shred him with jokes.
00:04:03
Speaker
I always thought that would be a viable strategy. But this particular case, this dark woke concept of it seems forced in the sense that we're just trying to be more angry and more demeaning.
00:04:14
Speaker
So I made a skit about it that really doesn't make A ton of sense. This is just this fucking weirdo getting pissed at a white dude who's calling his toy rocket gay.
00:04:26
Speaker
So what do you think the what do you think works? I mean, yeah we already kind of talked about, you already said like the woke was supposed to be the antithesis of any sort of injustice and racism and and sort of ah good old boy type stuff going on on the right.
00:04:45
Speaker
And that didn't work. And this dark woke doesn't seem to fit the the message where you're kind of like, we're going to be talking as much shit as them. What's the posturing that makes sense for any sort of semblance of the Democratic Party resurging?
Media's Influence on Politics
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Speaker
it doesn't seem like there's a possibility of that right now. Besides just people like anti, like hating on Trump, who's not going to be a factor in four years anyways, probably, unless you believe he can stay in office, but.
00:05:14
Speaker
Well, that's a million dollar question or in today's year, the billion dollar question, but like, how i All I can say is it's phenomenal. And by that, I mean amazing what the right wingers are able to do now and what they're able to say and what they're able to get away with.
00:05:33
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not only in terms of perceptions of like people who would be in the middle or the left, but like even perceptions of folks that would traditionally be conservative. And so now they can say all kinds of interesting stuff and they can have all these blatant, over-the-top attacks. They can be conspiracy or they can be conspiracy theorists.
00:05:53
Speaker
They can just do really insane stuff that would have ah got them completely... disbanded from all of society in, you know, even 10 years ago, 15 years ago. So like the the left is struggling to how to, how, how can we do something like that? How can we like be in the news every
Democratic Strategies and Broader Support
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second? It's like Chuck Schumer is not going to get in the news with this droning fucking voice. And it's like, Oh, and we wrote a letter to Trump. He's never going to get in the news with that, but Trump gets in the news and people in his party get in the news every day.
00:06:28
Speaker
with just very cruel, blunt, I don't know, obscene statements. It's interesting how they've been able to pull that off. and And nothing changes. The needle doesn't move in terms of like disapproval from the core people that like them. And the left lacks that. They don't have anything that binds them together.
00:06:48
Speaker
Part of it is because... they're more prone to like being self-critical. And it's, there's some statistics on the left people who lean left being more self-critical, but there's nothing like, I mean, climate change is not bringing them together.
00:07:02
Speaker
The racism thing brought them together in a real maniacal way in 2020. Uh, but there's nothing else. And so maybe the language or how they talk could do it.
00:07:14
Speaker
Yeah. But I, that's an uphill battle. Like if you look at some of the hot, hot button topics, like that, the only thing, the way to do it would probably go after, if you think there's like, let's just say you think that maybe even people that agree with Trump are worried about how, how the tariffs affect the, the economy, then they should go off on that.
00:07:33
Speaker
If you think, if you think the immigration stuff is like, okay, the Trump, the Trump administration, the people around it are, are, uh, wrongfully kicking illegal illegal immigrant criminals and murderers out of the country.
00:07:47
Speaker
If your ideas,
Unifying Causes for Democrats
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murders that are illegal aliens should be able to stay in the country, then you should fight for it. Just kidding. You should the like the problem is like, you're not going to be able to, I think, I don't, I don't know if there's that many people in the U S that are like, have sympathy for illegal aliens.
00:08:03
Speaker
I do. Cause I know I met them and I know why they're there. There's most of them are there to work, not to rape and murder. But like, so I think it's an uphill battle because like you don't have your rallying cries that don't have support.
00:08:16
Speaker
You don't have a huge support for the trans community and public bathrooms related to that. You don't have huge support for Latino and African immigrants. nobody Nobody gives a fuck. the only thing you The only thing you can do is like rally around something that you might be able to pose as a financial issue for people.
00:08:34
Speaker
Just peace and anti-racism is not a rally cry. it's like It doesn't work. Yeah, but I don't know that the broader left's top issues are wokeness or what people have defined as wokeness.
00:08:46
Speaker
So do you think they were given that and not really created it? Is that is that the problem right now? Which is why this anti-woke is like, our dark woke is like, Like, maybe you're right. Maybe they're they're not like, that's not our only fucking issue is trans bathrooms. But it's like the right keeps going.
00:09:02
Speaker
It's all they talk about is trans bathrooms. That's all they talk about or something. like that you know
Democrats' Identity Struggle
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like what it What had happened, i don't know when, somewhere along the lines, all of left-leaning politicians and any in left-leaning leaders and businesses as well were desperate not to offend people, were desperate to advocate for marginalized people, marginalized communities.
00:09:26
Speaker
And that became rallying cry or a principle that they were going to die on. And it turns out it wasn't super relatable. to not ever offend people, to not have a point of view. For example, when Democrats who believe in climate change and the new Green Deal and things like that then come out and from a political perspective talk about how we're not going to ban fracking,
00:09:51
Speaker
And fracking is this in my environmentally destructive way to get oil shale, right? and and And to produce oil energy. Like for you to do that is disingenuous. So I think to the left, largely became- I've been gun control too, my opinion. Yeah, largely became disingenuous.
00:10:08
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And so what I would have liked to see is somebody, yeah, yeah, fuck, no, we shouldn't frack. I don't care if it's your primary industry. Look, if I was being honest with you, I'd say the only reason I'd be pro-fracking is because I need to get votes in Pennsylvania.
00:10:23
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And there's just nobody that talks and can can match Trump's ability to say whatever the fuck he wants and get away with it. talked about it before. I think that might have been Bernie.
00:10:35
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Yeah, you can talk about whether his appeal would be broader. i People in the middle would be fearful of his socialism label. But at the end of the day, like they're just there's just a ah pussiness um brown about the left.
00:10:49
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Sort of not sticking to your principles, maybe. Yeah, just worried about offending. it's like the he i can guarantee you that Kamala Harris wasn't like a primary issue for her was not making sure that we fund sex change operations for people in prison.
Virtue Signaling in Politics
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Right? and That's just like, it's even amusing when you say it. Like, she's just like, i have one thing that i want I want to deal with in this country. Right. the The trans issue became a place of, you know, great shaming across the country for a period of time where it was just like, can't you realize the difficulty that these people have in the world and like support them and so forth? But it got a lot larger,
00:11:29
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a lot bigger than the issue actually was for many people. But I have a feeling that not that many Democrats or Republicans, of less less than 50% at least, but let's say have sympathy for that situation. It's just like a reality.
00:11:43
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nobody Not that many people are willing to, are like, yeah, I i agree with that. like You hear a lot of people that are like, yeah like who Who agrees with that? Are you saying that nobody? Yeah. yeah I would say like the most hardcore Democrat maybe who's <unk>s really like, i don't know, like a female white college student who's like bleeding heart for everything.
00:12:04
Speaker
And they might not be cool, like uninformed and everything, but they they might not be sympathetic to like, trans bathrooms or something like that. That, that, that case is probably too strong. That, that girl probably is, but like, maybe just like someone who's like, ah, your uncle who's been voted Democrat his whole life is probably, maybe he's like, yeah, a, I don't know. I feel a little weird about, about all that stuff. So like some of those issues, like they might have, they don't have the support of their core, I guess is what i'm saying.
00:12:32
Speaker
Not everyone is like all in on all that shit, even if they're Democrat. It's not like across the board. Right. Absolutely. And I think we all felt that in the companies that we worked in.
00:12:44
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As a great example is the tribal lands nonsense. So you'd show up at a conference and some moron would get up there and be like, I just want to acknowledge that we're standing on the tribal lands of the Sioux Indian.
00:12:59
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Yeah. People would clap and you were moved into that like forced virtue
TikTok's Role in Politics
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signaling where a lot of us were sitting there being like, start the conference. You ain't helping those poor Indians by that.
00:13:11
Speaker
Yeah, shut up. Just shut up. And there would been a lot there has been so much of that that that folks have obviously revolted against. It's clear that people weren't quite that far into the batshit left side. left-wing stratosphere so we agree on that but then it's like whoa what like how do you identify yourself now how do you approach become being a ah reasonable left person and how do you match i think what is ultimately a more entertaining and seductive approach that's happening on the right right now how do you match that because your your fucking previous idealism whether it's woke or save the world kind of nonsense it's just not appealing i don't know i mean i'm
00:13:55
Speaker
Disengaged on this one, buddy. Not a surprise. Not a Well, it's just like, because even when you're reading this article, a lot of it like references to online, like what someone said, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez AOC telling the women behind the libs of TikTok account to cry more and asking if she's triggered.
00:14:17
Speaker
It's like, you had me at TikTok. It's like, you didn't have me at TikTok. I mean, you're on tick you're in a group called Libs of TikTok. That's how you spend your time.
00:14:28
Speaker
Yes, all that exists. And it's happening right now where the you know Gretchen Whitmer gave toel Donald Trump a hug related to something none of us understand. I haven't read any articles about it but she gave him a hug because I think governors and the federal government have to do business with each other. and who' it who is she? don't even who she She's the governor of Michigan.
00:14:46
Speaker
Democrat? Democrat. Yeah, and so she's been getting skewered for fucking having any contact with but Trump. And it's just shit like that that it isn't working.
00:14:58
Speaker
It's counterproductive, right? it's it's not It's not working, yeah. and Well, it's hypocritical on the fact that it's like, oh, you can't you can't just be like, oh, we can't work with them. How is that? That's not better, right? like it she's She's offering essentially an olive branch to to like run the country or something like that, right? Like make decisions.
00:15:19
Speaker
So the response that AOC was giving in that article was basically saying, hey, back the fuck off me, liberals. I'm going to do what I'm going to do here. So this article refers to something I think I've heard you. I think you say virtue signaling.
00:15:33
Speaker
I don't get your take on this. So it says the idea is to subvert the qualities that people think made wokeness cringe, the virtue policing. yeah is that the Is that the term that sums up their failure?
00:15:45
Speaker
Virtue policing. like that Everyone just got tired of that. I agree. Yes. And that's like, it's a big piece of it. and And I don't think you could say that Dems didn't do anything.
00:15:56
Speaker
I think that's a total, that's a bunch of bullshit. That's the, you're listening too much right-wing radio, but yeah, that right there sums up what every white man felt in this country for a decade.
00:16:08
Speaker
Anybody with any testosterone running through them, even Latino and African-American, they have felt this. Toxic masculinity, all these concepts that nobody wants to try to understand what they are.
00:16:21
Speaker
And and you if you're hardcore left, you'll be like, look, you have to understand. These are things that move marginalized communities forward. These are things, don't you understand the pay gap between men and women?
00:16:34
Speaker
These are all, and I agree, these are all things worth understanding, but they're not worth leading with. I think that's what people are frustrated with, is that the left led with these low-level issues from a prioritization perspective for most Americans.
Shifting Democratic Messaging
00:16:48
Speaker
Yeah, unless you're that marginalized person, then it's at the top of your list, but that's um a minority still, both in numbers and probably in Absolutely. It doesn't win elections. What's the antithesis? Like, what's the opposite of that?
00:17:02
Speaker
if if If the right's like, we're standing up against virtue policing, virtue signaling, what is the opposite of that? Shut the fuck up and let me think for myself. Is that the idea or what?
00:17:13
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. I think there's a movement among some Democrats to be like, look, I'm not um now i'm i'm not your symbol of left wing wokeness. I'm not that. I have lots of perspectives.
00:17:27
Speaker
So just because the party has historically gone this way, that doesn't mean I'm going to anymore. So you have more of that. ah You've always had the Obama style, I think the educated elite version, which appeals, i mean, quite honestly to me, where it's a balanced point of view about everything and that drives people crazy.
00:17:46
Speaker
but it's really balanced point of view. It's like, if we do this, then this, and if we do that, then this. And so based on this, I remember the, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Sorry. You just so this triggered something.
00:17:57
Speaker
I'm just saying that that particular solutioning approach is appealing to me as kind of an educated consumer of political dialogue. But for most people, that's exhausting.
00:18:09
Speaker
They start to, yeah, flip, flop, flip. they're like oh they They start to accuse them of like not taking a side and Yeah, even though every decision is a trade-off, right? So it's like I get where that approach comes from.
Economic Arguments for Immigration
00:18:22
Speaker
So your Cory Booker's and your Gavin Newsom's and ah Barack Obama's of the world, you know it's harder it's going to be harder for them to catch steam in this era where they're battling against a Trump.
00:18:33
Speaker
So do you need some sassy like, shit, motherfucker, fucking maggot trying to tell me? that Yeah, like the Dark World could just be that, but but less less like attacking and more like, ah fuck you too.
00:18:46
Speaker
It's more like, hey fuck you too, right? Like Trump and his his goons are, they're kind of like winning on this. Just like, hey, hey go go fuck yourself. It's kind of like what the actual thing is. And people take that as a sign of strength and leadership and taking a side.
00:19:01
Speaker
Right. Exactly. Yeah. So there probably should be a little bit of go fuck yourself in the Democratic Party. But they can't because they're like, we can't do that because we represent everyone. Right.
00:19:13
Speaker
Yeah, to leave someone out. And by trying to represent everyone, you leave every you kind of leave everyone out. It's weird too, though. like the It's like the the messages are flipped. like Virtue signaling would be like kind of a ah bit oppressive in a way.
00:19:29
Speaker
Where the idea of fuck you, let me think for myself should be like, go ahead and be trans if you want. It's like they're they're flipped. They're go beat go do whatever you want. you want to You want to come here and work for seven bucks an hour? Come on in.
00:19:41
Speaker
Like it should be that way. But but like, I guess the the idea of like an ah intelligent Republican might, their argument might be like, well, there's there's consequences. Like, well, there's tax consequences if we allow whatever, gay marriages or something like that. Like there's people people always make like a fiscal argument um on what this stuff means or a security argument.
00:20:02
Speaker
So the Republicans have done pretty well with that. If I was a Democrat, I would, with the illegal, illegal alien type stuff, i would really i would really push the numbers on the the workforce and what it means to us to have labor and what and what how that labor is is intertwined with our lives, if we're being honest with with
Running for Office - Barriers and Qualifications
00:20:24
Speaker
ourselves. and like It's not a political thing at all.
00:20:28
Speaker
It's like a worse ah workforce thing. And all the money could be invested in making making these people available. And it's like, hey, we won. These people actually want to come here and work for less. It's like, good. let's Let's use it. It's like a positive, not a negative if you're a businessman. And I think they could do that. like But I don't... like i don't you know you know I'm a little unplugged, but the only message you see will be like some lady and...
00:20:56
Speaker
Juarez, who's whose daughter is still in fucking El Paso or something, they got ripped apart, and they're like crying. And it's like, ah, okay, good. Well, the average American doesn't give a fuck.
00:21:06
Speaker
So like it or not, like they don't care. If they were like, ah, my blueberries are $9,000, because instead of somebody named Juan picking them, it's like Steve, who's got fucking benefits.
00:21:20
Speaker
And and ah it's like, hey, now you happy now, you fucking idiots? Yeah. So like, that'd be the message. That would be more of a fuck you this is reality message that they should push. I should run for office.
00:21:31
Speaker
yeah But I had a DUI in 98. I don't think I would win a- You'd struggle. I don't think it matters anymore, but that stuff doesn't matter as much. But yeah, you're right. there the The left would need to acknowledge more of the inherent unfairness in the world.
00:21:48
Speaker
And it is a it's an unfair thing to think like- But like quantify it though, than you think? Well, sure. Yeah. You're coming over here because you happen to be born a different country. And oh, by the way, your skin's brown and um you don't speak the language. And so you're going to work for less and you get the privilege of coming and making a little bit more money than you can in your home country.
00:22:09
Speaker
And this is what we provide and we don't provide you. So win-win. That's a pragmatic. Pull yourself up if you can. It's a pragmatic view of it and probably a reasonable approach now.
Voter ID Laws Debate
00:22:22
Speaker
They've gone so far like, you know, these are people that contribute to our society and pay tax. They deserve health care and they deserve everything. And there's an argument for that, I think, in some cases, just not broadly.
00:22:36
Speaker
And they've struggled to, like, communicate these issues in that way. There's people out there, like, try fighting for, like, that... I don't know, like voter voter ID, having to present ID at voting is ah is racist or something like that.
00:22:51
Speaker
you're like, come on, dude, wasting your time. like Yeah, the argument for that is that the lower income people don't don't have accurate IDs at times. And like, it's okay to say, yeah, society...
00:23:07
Speaker
Get your fucking ass. Why though? Why? Because they're disabled and don't, and there's no, they don't have internet and they don't have different things. There's, there could be a lot of reasons for it.
00:23:17
Speaker
They're disabled. don't you But then you feel that is like true racism, that message. In some way. Yeah. These people are such, so fucked and such idiots. They can't get an ID. It's like, you're like holding them down by, by your weird, weird, uh,
00:23:34
Speaker
I don't know, your sympathy or whatever in this case. Yeah, empathy. It's like, yeah, why don't you just say, hey, you guys are you guys have a chance to be badasses and make a name for yourself in the society or vote.
00:23:46
Speaker
We all the right to vote now. and Get an ID. It's good for you anyways. Something bad happens, good to have an ID. Yeah, it's a requirement. It's a requirement of the country. Don't compare it to fucking Nazi.
00:23:59
Speaker
ow well, they they want everyone ID for control or something like that. i Yeah, I think it's there's something now, i think, brewing where it's like, I don't care where you're from. This is the best country in the world for opportunity.
00:24:12
Speaker
So we're not going to spend a lot of time complaining about what you do and don't have. There are some problems in society and we're going to try to fix them. And if if you can't meet the minimum requirements, then you don't get, this is this is hardcore, you don't get the primary benefits of our society.
00:24:31
Speaker
That is traditionally a conservative viewpoint. They had gotten so far into this grievance of grievance politics of like everything is so terrible and so bad and our lives are so hard.
00:24:42
Speaker
That I found pretty disingenuous and hilarious. But like yeah it is probably time for somebody to be like, look, it's not acceptable for you to not know what the fuck's going on.
00:24:54
Speaker
And it's not acceptable for you to not have a fucking ID. And it's not acceptable for this, this, this, and this. and And this is what's required to be an American citizen. We're all in together.
America's Health and Diet Challenges
00:25:04
Speaker
Fucking that, that to me would be a more productive version of dark woke, which is like, let's pull you up and not, not sympathize for you.
00:25:12
Speaker
Yeah, don't talk talk to me about climate change, you elite fuck on the coast, when you're flying back and forth for your consulting job twice a week. Don't fucking talk to me about that.
00:25:24
Speaker
Is that Starbucks? Whoever. Whatever tech dipshit. Don't talk to me about how technology is going to solve every fucking problem. That kind of gets me, what you just mentioned, but like such hypocrisy and like things like climate change where you're like...
00:25:40
Speaker
You're all part of the problem. Like you're not, no one's really solving it. So right for you, buddy, with your e-bike. Well, no, I'm not. No, you are. Your life is your foot, but your carbon footprint's probably pretty light. mine Mine, not to brag, pretty light as well.
00:25:58
Speaker
But, uh, but like lot of hypocrisy out there. For sure. My issues would be and why i care about this dark world concept is number one, it appeals to me to have shit talkers.
00:26:11
Speaker
I want to go back to the skit too. and We get a chance. i want you to walk me through that. Yeah. I just, uh, I like shit talking. I like a little bit of shame, but not not the virtue signaling type, but more of like yeah like sort of you're a dipshit.
00:26:25
Speaker
ah kind of ah It appeals to me for that. And I think the Democratic Party or anybody that has some strong beliefs can maybe win on that in the future. So like just the whole like trying to explain climate change to me is a waste of fucking time.
00:26:41
Speaker
But telling people like, Oh yeah, you want to fucking breathe ah small particulates in every city across this country. is that so so So we should just, but why why don't we just fucking go back in time and pollute the fuck out of this country? Because I think that's what people want, right?
00:26:56
Speaker
Like there's no balanced point of view. So why why even waste your time trying to explain a balanced point of view? Just start talking shit. I haven't come up with the things that I would say, but that that's that's the kind of stuff that might work.
00:27:12
Speaker
yeah It's really, what in summary, what I'm hearing is you just think the pussification of the Democratic Party is what's what's kind of killing it. And the pussification of the American people.
00:27:24
Speaker
I'm fine, dude. Like, I'm 100% fine right now. If the argument for tariffs was, look, we've gotten away from our local economies and it's made us fucking fat, lazy, and addicted to cheap goods, then I'm like, all right, let's fucking tariff.
00:27:41
Speaker
I can get behind the right message, you know not the the way Trump's doing it or anything. I can get behind that. Like RFK saying, look, there's too much sugary foods. We can't let people who are on SNAP benefits fucking buy soda.
00:27:56
Speaker
We're not going to do it. That, to me, is completely reasonable. It's completely reasonable. I don't see why we would allow them to buy junk food. Is that discriminatory? Yes, but you are in a position where you're sort of powerless.
00:28:11
Speaker
Why is it discriminatory? It's potentially discriminatory because it's like this group of people can't who can't buy soda. Yeah. so yeah You're saying like you can't partake in the the things that other people are just because you're on this benefit and and perhaps a higher percentage of quote unquote marginalized communities are on this.
00:28:32
Speaker
you're not in a great position. And so the government is in a place where they can dictate sort of what happens in that scenario. And the fact that you would be, we would be contributing to you to be more unhealthy. would It just, it's asinine.
'Dark Woke' in Public Health Advocacy
00:28:45
Speaker
I like fundamentally to me, I would need somebody to tell me more about the specific issues, but like, at a guttural instinct level, I'm like, dude, that's so fucking stupid. Of course we're not going to let them do that.
00:28:57
Speaker
is it I mean, is some of the like the the companies that that make that stuff are like lobbying hard to keep them to keep that in the in whatever the offerings of of those programs?
00:29:08
Speaker
They absolutely are. They're saying that there's you're taking away choice, and that's not the American way. There's some other arguments. Do you agree with that? Hell no. Get the fuck out of here.
00:29:19
Speaker
Get the fuck out of here. But it's case by case though, right? You know what I mean? like that would I think you have to acknowledge, technically they're right. But it's like, okay, maybe in this this instance it's for a good cause so you look the other way.
00:29:34
Speaker
As you know, dude, the the one virtue The most important thing for people in the US, I mean, even people kind of make fun of it, is like freedom, right? Like, yeah, it's like the number one thing.
00:29:47
Speaker
And I'm sure there's a lot of people, and maybe rightfully so, if you look back at history, like if you let it slip at all, you're at risk of losing it losing everything. And it starts with Pepsi and Mountain Dew, bitch. and That argument doesn't last very long for me because- That's Castro got started.
00:30:05
Speaker
Okay. okay Just kidding. But freedom where extreme externalities exist, which are negative consequences of behavior exist, that somebody has to clean up and pay for- That's not freedom to me. That's just making bad choices.
00:30:22
Speaker
And so I would lean personally to a more paternalistic viewpoint. And I would probably shit talk around some of those things. um Is RFK correlating it to numbers?
00:30:34
Speaker
Like, because of that, you're just aiding the health crisis, which is burying us. Like, is that, does he does he do that? Does he make it a kind of a numbers game? Because that always resonates in the U.S. s too. I think to some extent, I don't listen to the guy. I can't stand his voice. And I think a lot of the things he says are, are bad shit. But like in this topic, I'm a hundred percent on board.
00:30:56
Speaker
We have too many people, freedom or not in this country, eating terrible fucking food, high sugar, high fat, high salt, extremes. Extremes.
00:31:06
Speaker
Are nutrient stripped, nutrient deficient, nutrient gay? Yep, and we let our our our food industry run run wild with American health.
00:31:17
Speaker
And um you're expecting people, human beings, to resist this stuff that's basically ubiquitous and is very and almost impossible on a biological level to resist.
00:31:30
Speaker
Dude, but now that I'm thinking about what were talking about earlier, like what should they what should they be fighting for? That's the issue is like the food industry and what were and just and what what everyone's put in their bodies.
00:31:45
Speaker
If you break it down to what's happening with welfare stamps, then people just are like bleeding hard pussy. It's like the message might need to stay at a higher level, right?
00:31:55
Speaker
Like no one fucking cares. Like nobody wakes up, no white person in suburbs is like, I need to know what's going on with with food stamps and soda. That's, I need to know. No one fucking cares.
00:32:07
Speaker
But if someone's like, you know, you're dying, you're killing your kids. You're literally killing your kids with shit like munchables and and you're you're like creating disease with all that food. that's the That's the issue. like that's That's the issue that might people might be able to rally.
00:32:23
Speaker
I mean, they obviously did. i mean, it actually worked for the other side, believe it or not. like So I think I agree with what you're saying. But if you if you if you make it a welfare thing, then like that's ah that's a four-letter word in the U.S. for for people that are off fucking work for my shit, my boat, my gun, and i and welfare. It's like, okay, don't make it about that.
00:32:47
Speaker
Like, I think you got to you got to get an office however the fuck you can. And then if you want to fix welfare or anything that you can do it but you can't you can't tie those things together because people just like it's like a turnoff.
00:32:59
Speaker
I don't know, dude. Like in the trans thing, if the idea is like civil liberties and stuff like that and choice, that's the issue that you make it. And then you back in. trans rights or something like that. Yeah, I think that's a reasonable strategy. But think we've gotten to a point where somebody needs to be willing to say, look, what identity do we want in this country?
Food Industry Critique
00:33:20
Speaker
if we're If we're pissing our freedom away to consume che it unendingly, and in this case, consume food to the detriment of our community's health, and we're all eating too much, and I mean, we're all eating too much in the country in this country.
00:33:37
Speaker
If you can't say that because you could hurt somebody's feelings about how you're taking away their freedom or that that your body's shaming, there's a weakness in that to me. And i would I would say whether it's right or left, and and this is probably not this is probably a ah place for there where a bipartisan agreement exists, is that obesity is a problem and the food industry is not helping.
00:33:59
Speaker
And we got fit we gotta to figure that out. And we gotta to be able to say it without fucking whining. one way or the other, either on the right about freedom is everything or on the left about like, what about the people that can't, they are in a food desert.
00:34:14
Speaker
None of that, none of that, just straight down the middle. This is a problem, we're gonna address it. So you could do that, I think, with a multitude of issues and climate change would be another one where you could get some bipartisan movement.
00:34:25
Speaker
what What I'm encouraged though is like that movement is happening strong and has nothing to do with the government. Like people are taking matters in their own hands, like guerrilla warfare a little bit, you know? I was just traveling though, bro. Like on the internet, sure.
00:34:38
Speaker
I'm just traveling and like you walk through any setting, we were in Dallas and it's just like I depicted in my so suburban rant. It is one restaurant after the next. And it's it's ah almost phenomenal to think how can the community sustain this many restaurants from- ah Like mediocre restaurants too. Everywhere.
00:34:59
Speaker
Just boom boom, boom, boom, one after the other. And then you go to the next community, which is a mile away and here they all start over again. Yeah, yeah. That's fucking crazy and so boring. But they're able to sustain all of those, and it's an interesting thing to see. But then you walk in in an airport.
00:35:16
Speaker
I don't Cattle farm. two gated areas or two, one terminal, there's like 50 different food options, like all the restaurants, the kiosks, the but whatever. It's a, it's a, it's a strange world that we've set up and we've chosen given our personal freedom to set that up.
00:35:33
Speaker
It's not working for us. So for us to not be able to acknowledge shit like that is a problem. And I, I guess the whole concept here is that we just come out and say shit a little bit more.
00:35:44
Speaker
We go, we're, In this instance, freedom is not the most important. If we have to regulate so so people stop serving us this crap, then we should do it. It's a problem for us.
00:35:56
Speaker
Yeah. And and sometimes in the old days, we used to agree on what was a problem. And that could be where the debate is. don't even know that we can get to a place of even having a ah dialogue. Well, if you and I can agree on stuff, and historically we've been butted heads, then I think the world can do it, Lance.
00:36:15
Speaker
Okay. Okay. but But I don't know. I mean, there is there is the idea of protecting your freedom. But I have to believe that most these companies have a lot of money, the technology and everything to probably do it the right way. Still make profit margin.
00:36:30
Speaker
I don't know why they necessarily have. It must be bottom line or I don't know. Play it out for me. Like, just be like, OK, Lance, you're going tell me I can't have my Philly cheesesteak. Philly cheesesteak, I don't know, but I think because you might even have a real food option, like real beef, chili, ah Philly cheesesteak.
00:36:50
Speaker
Like that might, that's better than like pound and Oreos or something some that just has zero value. Like cereal, which my dad worked for the cereal company, Kellogg's, for a long time.
00:37:01
Speaker
But cereal has been taking a beating lately. Just how like sugary sugary cereals are like the antichrist. By the way what's your what's your guilty pleasure? Sugary cereals. And don't fucking say never, dude. I was eating oatmeal since I was one.
00:37:14
Speaker
i liked I like Honeycomb a lot. I like Golden Grahams a lot growing up. Those two. Fucking Captain Crunch. That's worth dying for though, huh? But it cut the roof of my mouth if I ate it too fast.
00:37:27
Speaker
But golden grams was the ultimate. I mean, the fucking sugar that was unleashed into that milk would rot your teeth within an instant. But so good when it mixed with the milk. Just like.
00:37:39
Speaker
So good. What was the one you said your brother, when he finally started making a lot of money, he was rubbing it in your face? Fruity Pebbles. Fruity Pebbles pretty solid, but that was almost too much. Fruity Pebbles. was too sugary. It would just tasted Yeah, it's insane.
00:37:52
Speaker
Captain Crunch is good because it had ah an offset. but But my point is, well, I just wanted, you know, the listeners to say so know we're human too, right? Yeah.
00:38:03
Speaker
We're human, but that shit's irresistible when you're eight. Like, air fucking resistible. Right, and that's a problem.
Balancing Health and Freedom
00:38:10
Speaker
do i Would I want to live in a society where I didn't even know that that shit existed? and It's like the 50s and like the sugar-ish thing I was going to eat is mom's pancakes and syrup.
00:38:20
Speaker
People got like an apple for Christmas. They were like freaking out. i mean, you look back on that with some nostalgia and kind of think no harm, no foul. I'm 40-something now and I kind of eat like a rabbit.
00:38:32
Speaker
and I cleaned myself up and I didn't need the president or anyone else to tell me, I just started doing my own research and got wise. like That would be the counter argument that a lot of people make. And then the counter argument that would be like, these poorly educated people and marginalized for 400 years aren't making that change. So at the end the day, they're the ones that are really getting fucked by all of this stuff.
00:38:53
Speaker
What would yours be? It would be similar to some extent, but it would be more of like, I'm making these choices. And so and in the places where that that it benefits our society, I want to pay less.
00:39:06
Speaker
So I want to be weighed in. If we're going to go hardcore about freedom, then I want the freedom to be weighed in at the fucking airline and pay a lot less because I'm not heavy.
00:39:18
Speaker
Yep. I want that freedom. And then I'm feet tall. You be ripped. You get a penalty need for that? There's got to be a scale for a height. Yeah. If you've muscled out because you're playing a sport and you're you know eating all that food to maintain the weight, you're going to pay more.
00:39:33
Speaker
If we're going to be narrow-minded about what we allow people to do, then they should then we shouldn't have to cover everybody's negative consequences. You would criticize an insurance company to drop somebody from being obese, wouldn't you, or no? You're on your own.
00:39:49
Speaker
That's one way to to make it happen. Later, a little threat of death. Right, sure. Of course, I have empathy for all that. but like and i If, though, you want to go hundred hardcore freedom, then let businesses...
00:40:01
Speaker
operate in a way that that makes sense. Look, if you're struggling with weight and you do these bad habits, your insurance is double. I don't want to live in a society like that, to be honest with you. I just do want to live in a society, though, where we come across things that are problems and say we've got to fix how much the food industry is pouring these high sugar It's kind crazy to do when you see somebody who's morbidly obese as we all get older.
00:40:26
Speaker
Our bodies break down anyways. But like and they're on like 30 different prescription medications or something like that. All sorts of problems. It's sad. It's fundamentally sad. But the the pharmaceutical companies are probably like this is dope.
00:40:39
Speaker
Right. they're they' They're making profits off it all. They're all angles, though, that our consumer society and the businesses therein are making profits off of people who are struggling with this stuff.
00:40:50
Speaker
But like ah just traveling this weekend, there are many, many people as we were lining up where I'm just like, God damn, I hope I i won't have to sit next to them. ah ah So many people.
00:41:03
Speaker
Damn, I couldn't sit next to them. They're just giant. You're on an airplane, you're pretty much like, there if you're kind of in somewhat good shape, there's like an 80% chance that someone's going to be pouring over into your seat just by sheer size alone.
00:41:18
Speaker
Right. Totally. When you're on one of these trips, so so you're in those fucking crazy never-ending box, box, store parking lots that have like 20 different restaurants.
00:41:30
Speaker
I assume you're going there, right? Because you're you're there and you're you're picking them out. You're going to Applebee's or fucking, I don't know what's what's up now, but Citizen Canes or no, Raising Cane.
00:41:40
Speaker
Like, are you are you are you trying to, keep your family and kids out of this when you're traveling, you just give in because you're at the airport, or you're in the middle of a suburb in fucking Dallas. Like, what are you gonna Go look for a grass-fed beef vendor or something?
00:41:53
Speaker
Well, I don't know. We're not gonna do that. But like, there's pressure with the kids and to not be a weirdo. But in a lot of cases, my wife and I, if we were by ourselves, what...
00:42:05
Speaker
Probably do two meals, going to a grocery store and grabbing some things and then doing one meal out somewhere. Feeling righteous. Yeah.
00:42:15
Speaker
Well, not righteous, just like making a good choice for us. Like if I go to Olive Garden, as example, I almost always get, if if we're looking for something that my son likes, I get the salmon with broccoli.
00:42:29
Speaker
Which is probably artificially dyed. Yeah, and people glare. They glare at me like, what ah look at this. I'm just like, dude. just Bitch. Why don't you yeah fucking make a better choice? I don't care. Do what you want. I'm not fucking worried about you eating the chicken Alfredo with, I mean, like, so you see three cups of Alfredo sauce.
00:42:51
Speaker
Three, four thousand calories. Yeah, I'm not, dude. But that, okay, so get off the obesity piece because I think there are other issues where they're same. Well, I like that one though because it's it does put in the forefront this issue of like protect your freedom versus just ridiculous.
00:43:07
Speaker
It's almost like we're not... we They
Democratic Party's Internal Struggles
00:43:10
Speaker
can't be trusted. But it's ah the the issue is, like can people be trusted to make decisions? that Because the other thing that a capitalist would say is, like well, you you the way it works is you your dollar, is the the almighty dollar dictates.
00:43:24
Speaker
And if people want this stuff, they want this stuff, or they or they wouldn't be spending their money on it. Yeah, but they want it, but there are harmful behaviors that hurt us all in the long run. Sometimes the long run, but sometimes immediately.
00:43:35
Speaker
Like environmental stuff, you know if you don't regulate certain things, that hurts you immediately. I'm saying like on the food thing, there's a reason why there's so many fucking restaurants in suburb of Dallas and there's cars parked in front of them. Yeah, and you're like, all right, people seem to like it. It works. It's fucking crazy, yeah.
00:43:54
Speaker
But yeah, now we've gone off on a tangent. Well, no, I think it's ah it's a it's can you bring these things up in a principled way without being shot down if you're on the left as not empathetic?
00:44:10
Speaker
By their own people, so to speak, right? like Yeah, that's ah almost the big thing. It's like they got to clean out their own yard yard and get some unity, which is pretty hard.
Trump's Influence on Democratic Strategies
00:44:22
Speaker
like That's so crazy the way Trump did it. Because I also think... It's sad. It's ridiculous. that people don't acknowledge. i don't know if you'd say the great, it'd be terrible. No would be like the greatness of what he did, but like what he actually did and how that like swept through and won and kind of took over is pretty impressive.
00:44:42
Speaker
Democrats need the the counter argument to that, right? Sort of ah some message and movement that just picks steam up regardless of the validity or anything else and swept the nation and worked. Like it's fucking crazy.
00:44:54
Speaker
But there's no semblance of that even close. The only thing might be, fuck this guy, Trump. That's the only semblance of like the message in the democratic world right now that's like, all right, that's what we can rally along.
00:45:07
Speaker
But they they shouldn't focus on that because it's- But he's so stupid. I mean, he's so fucking Yeah, he's only got one term. He's not even like- Yeah. they don't They need to align on on some issues.
00:45:17
Speaker
I think this next time around, if they can align and maybe be, even though it's a fad, be a little more dark woke, have more of a sensibility of like, what the fuck are you talking about? Climate change is a hoax.
00:45:30
Speaker
Or whatever. I don't pick an issue. What the fuck you talking about? It's hard. like I mean, I think that the whole... It's such a laugher to me, the whole rallying cry about like men like Venezuelan gangs all over the place and shit and places where I'm like, I've been there.
00:45:45
Speaker
ah haven't felt There's no fucking gang. like All that stuff is... Well, but they'd they captured the fear piece that. But could you do that on an issue like the environment?
00:45:56
Speaker
Could you talk about, could you just start showing pictures of rivers dried up? And could you just start showing fires? What was it, Katie McLaughlin or that those those pet commercials, like the the animals, abused animals commercials, like a pathetic song?
00:46:12
Speaker
that you just like, like in the 90s. Sarah McLaughlin. Sarah McLaughlin, yeah. Spend all your time waiting. tam we it's just the picture of like a dog is just like ribs and a cow getting executed. You're like, yeah.
00:46:24
Speaker
where do i Where do I send my money? Is that what you're saying though? Like show the environmental damage and be like, this isn't real. This isn't a made up woke bullshit. This is the benefit. This what's happening. Yeah, actually. And talk shit about it.
00:46:38
Speaker
Like people that counter it go, okay, yeah. Yeah, I see this fire. It's happening how many more times? Oh, it's increased by 200%. two hundred percent Yeah, okay.
00:46:49
Speaker
okay Is the dark, is the point of this, is the dark woke, Useful or is it is' a counterproductive? that i That I don't know. i'm just I don't know. But it it if it were done right, it would appeal to me. It'd be nice to like, as you can tell on how I talk, like i like I guess I like argumentative speech.
00:47:12
Speaker
Could you liken it to like the civil rights, black civil rights movements of the 60s where you had like Martin Luther King's more peaceful approach versus like Malcolm X? You think they should push into like a Malcolm X, Black Panther, like just start saying, fuck you. Like, worry.
00:47:29
Speaker
Yeah. Now it's laughable to compare the two because one was actually about, well, just civil rights. What's at stake is potentially as important. But perhaps, yeah, perhaps.
00:47:43
Speaker
But like we we would rather like talk shit about Katy Perry going up in space than fucking drill in on some of these core issues. I think the comparison's relevant because that's a whole other, you know, how people are hijacked, which I've already said and a thousand times. People are so hijacked.
00:48:03
Speaker
But ah it's relevant because... you would think that a civil rights movement should be a complete message of peace and acceptance. And at some point it just doesn't work. So it's almost like you got to take what's yours and like, you have to get a little more militant about it. And like, that might be if, if, if we really feel like the earth is at stake, I don't know how, what that means. Like, it's not like they're going to start a war, an actual war, but like, it might be,
00:48:32
Speaker
Did you see Al Gore's, did you go back, this is ah like 20 years ago, but Al Gore's The Uncomfortable Truth or something like that? Inconvenient Truth, yes. Inconvenient Truth. Yeah. Yeah, im just saying there's, people have tried, the message of the climate change and all that stuff, like people have tried to do it through science, even that in that case through sort of like entertaining.
00:48:52
Speaker
For a lot of people, it has not moved the needle at all. I think you need to fear monger. This is where you get dark woke. And so you look at like what's happening in a place like Iraq where they're fertile valleys. They used to be fertile. They can't even be homes to animals anymore, right? I'm going to save a joke.
00:49:11
Speaker
Go ahead. Yeah. I'm just saying like that that there's a lot of strife and conflict happening now around a lack of water in that country. And this is related to climate change?
00:49:24
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, there's just real issues happening all over the world, and and I think you could you could be a little more militant about, like, look, motherfuckers, if you want 50% of the U.S. forest to be on fire every fucking year, just keep doing what you're doing. I mean, you could, you know, i don't I haven't prepped some really zingers for this, but, like, I think you could take more of approach of, like, this is going to ravage your Where are you going to go?
00:49:50
Speaker
Where are you going to go when the water dries up in Phoenix? Don't come down here, gringos. Don't fucking go down to Costa Rica. Come to my rainforest, motherfucker. Yeah. And who's going to pay for the desalination plant that pumps water all the way from ah the California coast or from the Gulf Coast to Phoenix?
00:50:10
Speaker
It's crazy expensive, by the way. Yeah. let's let's start Let's just start getting real. um So like, Nobody does that because it's shaming and it's condescending and American people are smarter than that. And I'm telling you're not smart than that.
00:50:24
Speaker
You're fat, dumpy fucking fucks who are checking out of everything. How about that?
00:50:32
Speaker
yeah You win. yeah You're president. and don't...
00:50:37
Speaker
I mean, that would be... be Refreshing? Refreshing. Our presidents got up there and started attacking people. All their speeches are like, you're stupid fucks.
00:50:51
Speaker
Well, Carter tried it. Jimmy Carter tried it and it backfired tremendously. Actually, Kennedy had some of that language and Trump is actually saying some stuff. He just did it on the terrace.
00:51:03
Speaker
And I think i the only thing that Trump has done. Reagan too, a little bit. Yeah. I mean, you can be better, American. You can be better. We don't need to trash our environment and we don't need to fucking eat so much.
00:51:16
Speaker
kennedyny Kennedy, yeah, he had that. Other issues. Like, you can challenge people in a good way, I think, is what what it is. Yeah. I'm not saying I know how to do that, but, like, I think that if dark woke means...
00:51:28
Speaker
git Oh, by the way, one thing I didn't mention is now there's this thing called MAGA woke that is catching it's in the article too. Where they're fucking, they shame they shame everyone.
00:51:40
Speaker
And if you're not MAGA enough, you get kicked out and which is why. Back up there for a second. So who's they? Is this like, I don't know, like Joe Rogan's army or this is like the actual president is sending, like where people like a French scientist wasn't allowed the country because he didn't agree with Trump.
00:51:57
Speaker
There's like shit like that, which I don't know it's or it's the MAGA mob of a red hat wearing psychos and also Trump's, some of his cronies that if you're a Republican, you don't say the right thing and you don't stand up for the right thing.
00:52:13
Speaker
He's been doing that forever though. Like it's like the attack, attack, the attack. Anyone who doesn't agree with me. You'll be ostracized. But the the mob now, like... backs up whatever those issues are. And it's, it's a form of weird version of virtue signaling and wokeness.
00:52:30
Speaker
Well, what it is a playbook that somebody else should use for, for good causes. Maybe. Yeah. Well, it's worked. I mean, you're kind of saying that a little bit, like you think the dark woke could probably use some of that aggressiveness for, for a good cause.
00:52:45
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like, like coming out. So instead of worrying about offending people coming out and saying, what the fuck are you talking about? Cole? What the fuck you talking about? Cole?
00:52:58
Speaker
I mean, really? That's the that's from the from the skit, that voice. Yeah, exactly. It's 2025 and we're talking about coal. And look, I mentioned this the previous Dude, you're right. The message would not be, it would be like, we respect people in West Virginia that need jobs. No.
00:53:15
Speaker
Fuck them, right? Right. Stop. Get the fuck out of here. Get out of here. You were a coal miner. This big giant hug is not hugging anyone. No, your father was a coal miner, but coal over.
00:53:28
Speaker
And then people talk about, well, manufacturing left. And these people, people in the city just don't get it. Look, man, none of us created some master plan to get rid of manufacturing.
00:53:40
Speaker
Like, if it worked, why don't you fucking build it?
Consumer Culture and Political Messaging
00:53:43
Speaker
Build it. Make a case. But you can't because it doesn't work right now. Whatever it is you want to manufacture. So I'm sorry.
00:53:51
Speaker
Go fucking figure something out. Be a carpenter. Be a plumber. Do something else. um Your town is fucked. That happens all over the world all the time, man. It's just part of progress and part of change.
00:54:05
Speaker
So there you go. I'm not against Cole. What I'm saying is like the there's always that message. Yeah. There's always that. Don't, no, no. be Be adamantly, staunchly against whatever you don't like.
00:54:16
Speaker
Right. There'll come a time where we can't all live in a single family house. And that more people have to gravitate towards high rises and apartments. I mean, just look at ah Tokyo or some of the places in Southeast Asia.
00:54:29
Speaker
you've You can't continue to live like this, like they do in Dallas. Fuck Dallas. Fucking restaurants everywhere and sprawl. I mean, you can't do it. But i like I like my space, bro.
00:54:41
Speaker
I deserve it. Fucking work hard. But how long you think it takes to flip? Flip. Cause you're gonna at first you're gonna be like, fuck this guy, anti-American commie. I think that, you know, a lot of times people have to feel the pain around something, but like, I wouldn't be mad if somebody came out and I'm sure some political strategists would hate this, but just came out and said, i told you motherfuckers, Trump was crazy. I told you he was crazy.
00:55:09
Speaker
I told you he lied, and look, you're getting fucked. No, um yeah, I'm saying it. You're going to get fucked. And, you know, I'm not that disappointed. I'm not that sad for you because it's time you get a little more educated and a little more thoughtful about the decisions you make. Sorry.
00:55:25
Speaker
Would that win an election? Of course not. But could there be somebody who's on their way out of maybe politics? Or maybe that would actually work. I don't know. But you can't have it both ways where, like, you're – You have endless grievances for the people in power and you do nothing.
00:55:41
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You check out and you fall into the same sort of consumer traps that everyone else in our society does. You can't do both, dude. Either fucking figure some shit out or shut the fuck up.
00:55:53
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Go vote for the dipshit and get fucked. Look, everyone's going to get fucked with the tariffs, straight up. Except for a few companies. Whirlpool is like, oh, the tariffs might help us. Fuck Whirlpool. Whirlpool is a shitty brand.
00:56:07
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It's a shitty fucking brand. Yeah. they they They highlight energy efficiency for a fucking appliance that lasts three years. No.
00:56:18
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Big pile of plastic. get Get off your ass and make an appliance that lasts 20 years in America and show the value and manufacture it. And we'll buy it. I'll buy that shit because I don't want to replace some piece of shit every for three, four years.
00:56:33
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Somebody's got to come out and start talking some shit. You would never run for even on a local level. you would never run for an office. Maybe. Maybe, dude. But I'm too much of a dick. I just like ability happens to be such a big part of it.
00:56:47
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Well, the number one dick is our president. He's not bashful about it. I think that's that's another trend. I mean, I think you're right in a way, but I think that trend, they they kind of created that trend, the other side ah yeah you. Yeah.
00:57:00
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And that might be something to use. It's like, all right. yeah Yeah. Being unapologetic is now cool. Yeah. Roll with it. Roll with it for your own causes.
00:57:12
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So the left, like, up in arms about Trump saying, yeah, you you know what? maybe Maybe the kids will have to go without $30 and just they'll have two.
00:57:23
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And they'll have to pay a few more bucks for it. Now, that kind of statement. That's what he said? ah Yeah, that's related to tariffs. You know, or not getting Chinese products. that Maybe we won't have $30, we'll just have $2. And they'll have to pay a few more bucks for one of the $2. What's wrong with that?
00:57:40
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That's basically what he said. Now that, have to admit. Does that appeal to a guy like me? Fuck yeah. Exactly. We've gotten too pussified by all this... Endless choice and consumption. I'm down with that local message. That's not where he's at. He's just willing to say anything that will get people up in arms all the time, no matter what it is. But that statement doesn't bother me. I'm not gonna go all left wing.
00:58:05
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He's saying we don't get this much choice. He's trying to take away our choice. No, that's bullshit. He's saying you're fucking lazy pieces of shit that have been consuming too much cheap garbage and you don't need it.
00:58:19
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In so many different ways, dude. Yes. Food, goods. that That may be the only thing I've agreed with Trump on in about five months.
Catholic Church Scandals and Reforms
00:58:29
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Oh, securing the border may be the other.
00:58:32
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Yeah, i it's okay to secure your borders. And gays are bad. Just kidding.
00:58:41
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And that he could be the Pope. Oh, dude. Well, yeah, we didn't talk about that. is that which ah Would you put that in the and the dark woke category of just absurdist?
00:58:52
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I just think he's just kind of poking the bear and like and just... Just for fun? I mean, he has a he had a picture of him in the Pope outfit sitting there. I know. But why?
00:59:04
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What's the strategy? It's for a fun. I mean, that one's just to fuck with, pete to piss people off. But why? Because his base probably thinks it's the funniest fucking thing ever. Watch these pussies freak out. they got He got them again, you know?
00:59:17
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why what What do you think? Because he really thinks he's going to be the Pope? Like there are people out there like, did you hear Trump actually thinks he's going to be the Pope? like No, God, no. Take it easy. I just want to know why. Now, this is where a great opportunity exists for somebody on the left to be like, look at this fucking dipshit making a literal mockery, wasting his time with this fucking stupid shit. Somebody should come out and talk some shit like that. Maybe their people have, but...
00:59:41
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But dude, we're a waste of time. Somebody should do the same thing, but like in a Nazi outfit. Just like something ridiculous too, you know? There you go. What other stupid thing? Something like that, you know?
00:59:52
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But I mean, that's a waste of time. He's encouraging people to waste their time when they're like... Did you see that? He fucking put a picture of himself in the Pope outfit. I'm going waste three hours sending messages in my text group about it. and fucking Yeah, exactly. what He loves that. Yeah, where I could actually be being productive at my office. Wow. Yeah, loves that though. So he's just mocking those people and they suck it up. And I don't i don't blame him for that either.
01:00:23
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I'm Catholic. like like I'm like, oh my God, he disrespected my... That that all idea of he disrespected our religion is like some shit that like the Taliban. that or so they I don't know. The Onion, i remember years ago, they had it they had like a picture.
01:00:39
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some Something happened where like some somebody got murdered for disrespecting like a fundamentalist Islamic person or something like that. oh yep and They posted a picture of like Buddha, like a fucking four-way of Buddha, whatever they worship in the Koran.
01:00:54
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all allah but like fucking having sex and all this shit. And it was like, look, we just put this out and no one got killed because of it or something like that. like so so true.
01:01:05
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I jerk to it, dude. So just kidding. how about I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. How about putting out like worried about the Trump thing, but you you still have the sexual abuse thing running rampant through the Catholic church.
01:01:21
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Yeah. So what about that? I'm just saying. like they they Someone should be like, maybe he likes the Catholic Church because of the sexual sexual abuse. Well, I don't know. I'm just like, maybe he thinks he can fix the sexual abuse. Somebody should like.
01:01:36
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i could i could I could get rid of sexual abuse in a church in in a week. Just like the Ukraine war. I can't do a Trump thing. But yeah. Dude, that's a tough one to swallow. That's a different topic, but it's like like you have to believe that almost anybody that you, almost anybody that you like, even the last pope that respect or a priest, in the even if you're like, ah you know what, I believe most people in the Catholic Church are good people, you almost have to believe that they they're covering up something, like one way or another. yeah It's like fucking crazy, dude.
01:02:14
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Yeah, let me try Dark Woke on that. The Catholic institution is failing. It is failed. It's a joke. It makes a mockery of itself. We're supposed to be worried about our mourning the Pope's death,
01:02:29
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with an institution that allows this type of thing to happen under the guise of moral superiority, under a system ah where there's constant moral judgment, this is being allowed to continue.
01:02:42
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And so the institution, its principles, they're fucking failing. So change. Have the witch on. Make public yeah example of these people instead of trying to protect them as you forgiveness. it Like actually literally...
01:02:55
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have burning at the stake in vatican square exactly dirty witch hunt hang these fuckers at the in this in the vatican square or change your policies which would allow people to get your priests to get married your nuns to get married uh and they can have uh same-sex marriages let them do the stuff that they're craving already and you could probably weed out 95 the sexual abuse the sexual abuse stuff Or not, but at least there's consequences.
01:03:22
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I mean, there's no, you're not, you can't, you You might even you might even like increase your the number of people that join the faith by i'm amazing amount. I don't think priests are like predisposed to pedophilia.
01:03:38
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I think that the just like there sexual desire piece has been cut off and that they're in a position of power and there's something happens that leads them in that direction. Yeah. Sexual, too much sexual energy.
01:03:52
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Well, I think, but there's a so like a cycle actually. i mean, um like some of those guys are probably victims of abuse as well. um Probably all of them as altar boys. or Yeah, maybe. But like something's happened where their sexual life has been like shuttered in such a way that some some weird consequences come come to bear and not to the benefit of young boys and young girls for that matter.
01:04:16
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But anyway, the institutions failed. Why is it hard to just say this is unacceptable? Why am I mourning the Pope or anybody in the Vatican? Why am I giving praise to any priest?
01:04:28
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Why is this institution surviving? That, to me, is a fair point. Yeah, but it's gotta to be public public shaming. It's got to be like... If the new Pope came and said, I'll fucking, I'll fire every goddamn priest, cardinal, and anyone with power in the church. If I find out they were involved or covered up any sexual abuse the last 50 years and i actually did it, it would be groundbreaking.
01:04:51
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And, or say, well, don't they have their own laws in the Vatican? can So could they hang, hang somebody in the Vatican? it's ah It's its own country. That might, yeah, that'd be great.
01:05:02
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But I, uh, I mean, I think I hate to say it, but I feel like a lot of them are in.
Religious Institutions and Pagan Roots
01:05:09
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i You hear crazy shit, so you don't know how much is like propaganda. Like that most of people in the, there's a book.
01:05:14
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Of course, I heard this on a ah Rogan podcast many years ago, but like most of the people in the Vatican, all the cardinals and priests are either gay or pedophiles. And there's sort of an internal battle against against them.
01:05:28
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It makes sense a little bit. Like, why would you choose how would you why would you choose that life? like Like you said, someone's like, well, you can't do anything else. then you have you have The only thing you have access to are these fucking altar boys and groups and shit.
01:05:43
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Just because you like cock, like your pathway to more cock is pretty good. was this guy that, I don't know if he went undercover something. I need more information to go public with this, but like he infiltrated the inner circles of the Vatican.
01:05:56
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ah And then that flowed all the way down. It flows down to, I mean, it's kind of a weird organization. Like the idea like giving yourself up, your life up for God is kind of pious and seems cool.
01:06:08
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But it's a weird choice as well. True. So you're like, how did you how did you make that choice? And I never thought of it that much. It's just like, well, you're also like, I mean, I always thought of it. Well, for a lot of people like that don't have anything else going on, you're you're a very respected person in society and you probably feel like you can help some people. So that's like the good side of it, why do you become a priest.
01:06:28
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But maybe too, you're trying to, you have the guilt of your your gay cravings, your gay sin cravings, and this is a way to cleanse people. Yeah, I mean, that's probably true, too. Like, not just gay, but any anything that you feel is, like, um unholy.
01:06:43
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And you're like, all right, this is my only way that I can, like, I can be righteous. So, I mean, i hope I hope that it's all not true. is like people Because people will attack the Catholic Church pretty hard.
01:06:57
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And sometimes you find the person has no idea what they're talking about. They're just like fucking organized religion, Catholic. So you find that as much as you find like political um undeveloped political ideas, you know, but I, I, I don't know.
01:07:14
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I mean, you've, I've, I know. So I have your many one has been abused by a priest or anything like that. ah Also, it's it's not just the Catholic church. Somebody fucked up sex of Christianity where there's all sorts of crazy shit going on. there There is, we should mention that. Like a lot of evangelical- Less gay though, it seems like. It's like the women are more at risk when they're young and and other things. Catholic church court in the market on gay abuse.
01:07:36
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There was some, that guy, Ted Haggart in Colorado Springs was a real piece of work up there preaching about the sins of gayness and then he's banging his massage therapist dude or whatever.
01:07:49
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But it's everywhere and I think it's it's more around the- Massage therapist. It's more around the power dynamic. It's an unhealthy, unrealistic power dynamic between human to human. Kind of like not sustainable for not something fucked up to happen.
01:08:04
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Yeah. So like the priests devoting their light, they're not holy people. I'm sorry to say they're not special people. They're not hand chosen by God. They're humans.
01:08:15
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They're, they're yes. And, but yet this idea that you're going to get into, um, what do you call the place where you do confession? I know, what is it like confessional? I think it's the confessional. Yeah.
01:08:26
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You get in there and you tell this dipshit everything about, I jerked off today and I fucking had unsavory thoughts about my friend's mom. what I mean, it's so fucking stupid. I ate grand Fred beef from Costco.
01:08:41
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Yeah, exactly. ah It's so stupid. And the evangelical church has similar things. But that power dynamic is it' seductive and it's unhealthy and it's abused over and over again in all parts of society.
01:08:57
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we have to like fight against that, dude. There you go. Yeah. There's, think of what the, the, the summary of today is like, don't be so worried about the gray area and appeasing everyone. And the Catholic church, the same thing. Like, Oh, there's old, old Catholics, the old lady and the old who's been Catholic their whole life and can't take it It's like, she might have to be a sacrifice. She might just have to take it that there's a witch hunt going on and someone that she respected fucking grabbed the boy's dick in 1975. Fuck them.
01:09:29
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fuck um Yep. Get them out. Do something to them. And anybody else, there's any doubt? like I also feel like this anti-democratic, but in the Catholic Church, there should be, instead of innocent until proven guilty, I think i think there if there's any inclination, anyone steps forward and says, something happened to me, immediately should be guilty until proven innocent. I mean, you hear so many such so many stories of like a priest wasn't wasn't dealt with many years ago. And then he moved around and then he showed up and, you know, is an abuser, abuse claim in 1958 in Kansas city. And then, Oh, in 1985 in Baltimore, it turns out he did it again. Well, he wasn't addressed.
01:10:08
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Like, yeah, it's like, if there's any fucking shadow of a doubt, but here's, here's a religion that really doubles down on the concept of evil in the universe. Also forgiveness.
01:10:23
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Yes, but evil is just if you go through like the exorcism and just a lot of the things that they've, I think, have been foundational to this belief system and these this set of rituals.
01:10:36
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so Well, just that battle of good versus evil, Satan versus Jesus. you Yeah, it's more it's just more visual, I think, and and it seems to be more prominent in the Catholic Church than in other religious sects.
01:10:50
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But like... For you to allow that to happen, which is just like such a symbol of evil, to do stuff like that to children. To use this the power of a higher being to use. Yeah, it's fucked up. And that's why I think the institution should be radically changed or just completely destroyed.
01:11:11
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I read an article a friend wrote the other day, but and she was talking about, a little bit the article talking about the Easter tradition and how, I didn't know this. I knew i knew a little bit about some of the Christian holidays that actually just were just pagan holidays that they re rebranded, like like the birth of Jesus ah But I didn't know the death, actually, the Easter was like a ah pagan holiday. it's It wasn't Easter, but some word like that, estere or something like that.
01:11:40
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It's like they just used to put that, ah they're using it now for the resurrection of Christ and and all that stuff. And like, when you hear that stuff, you got to either think, well, that's kind of ridiculous. Or you're like, no, that's just propaganda put out there. People are trying to take down the church.
01:11:57
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It's like the only way you could combat it in a way,
Critique of Blind Faith
01:12:00
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right? Because the church just asks you to have blind faith. You got to have faith. It's the mystery of faith is what is what we say. It's so not compelling to me.
01:12:10
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this This paganism concept, though, that this the definition of pagan is... it's a lot less incriminating than it's been made to sound. or um It's really just- sounds beautiful, right?
01:12:24
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Celebration of like the earth and and real real human- Yeah, it's natural. is but Wants and desires. and it it's It's what the Indians did, right? They worshiped, worship may be a strong word, but respected the buffalo.
01:12:39
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And there you tried to use every part of it And they named kids after- Animals and and the things that they interact in earth. But like that, that, that word has gotten so dirty because like, tell me how these churches are above that.
01:12:56
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How are you above? This is what's laughable to me about faith, so-called faith. You're above nature in your belief systems. and And they're all so worried about people worshiping creation and nature and not God.
01:13:12
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And yet they use this worship of God to do all sorts of silly, weird things. You know, they force conformism. They abuse people. They lie endlessly in the name.
01:13:26
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So that's a topic that people have been conversing about for decades. Then my 11 year old the other day, we're talking a little bit about religion. I know maybe it was Sophia.
01:13:39
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Kind of takes the bite out of it when I can't remember which kid it was. it was It was Sophia. It doesn't matter yet. I can't say her name on there. It was one of my children. And we were talking about religion and stuff and she's already kind of just like, yeah, it seems like a load of shit.
01:13:52
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But we were kind of talking about like, what would what if Jesus came back today? if If the guy really was what we learned, that what I hope he was, because seems like a a good dude and had some good principles and stuff.
01:14:04
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Like if he looked the at the narcissism and just the way we run our society and what social media has done to it, it would it would obviously be like, damn, this experiment went all wrong.
01:14:16
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Don't you think?
01:14:19
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As it relates to faith? Well, yeah. I mean, the way people are like, as people get more and more self self-centered and self-fulfilling and self, it's the exact opposite of what, what like he preached.
Religion vs Modern Society
01:14:34
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And so all this modern technology has led to like more sort of narcissistic viewpoints and worried about like shallow principles more than like his, his like deep rooted principles. And,
01:14:46
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yeah yes and amongst believers yeah equally so which is which is if he found out that people were using religion to commit all these atrocities then i think he would just shake his head and say oh boy
01:15:02
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that's a humbanger of a problem you humans have presented me with huh oh well these fellas yeah yeah so Raping kids, raping, huh? Maybe I'm i' mentally weak, dude, because I don't have the balls to go all the way all in on you.
01:15:18
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I still have some faith and some hope that there is. mean, I've always said when people trash the church, any church, is like, well, you can't just, the institution is run by humans and they fuck things up. But the principles of maybe what Jesus or you know, some of the other guys that became like the the image of God and these other religions, their principles are are good good things to live by.
01:15:48
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Yeah, there are some some core tenets that I think have helped society navigate moral issues. And it's not to say if you're not on board the church that you're amoral.
01:16:00
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So i'm I'm on the flight back from Dallas to Denver and just happened to hit not quite the sunset, but it was close, but it was in in between a host of beautiful clouds and a just a compelling view.
01:16:15
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and pretty close to bringing me to tears in terms of like the beauty of it. And a lot of people don't look out the window. They've sort of lost connection. God people shut the window. It fucking drives me crazy. Yeah.
01:16:27
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It's so weird. But I'm looking out there and I'm like, because there there are moments where we all have... There are moments of vulnerability that we all have about living and dying and so forth. hugs our emotional strength sometimes.
01:16:42
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Yeah. A lot of what i get from the church and the the words and the rituals, it it does nothing for me. I don't have any, there's no comfort from some man sitting up there saying, God said this, because I don't believe that that any God said that. I think some dude wrote that shit.
01:17:03
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It doesn't resonate, but if you were convince me. Like 300 years later, I think, is when all that shit was written. yeah Sorry, go ahead. Yeah. Exactly. But if you were to convince me that there is some creation and some omnipresent being, it would be in those moments of interaction with nature.
01:17:22
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like Like flying at that time of day was like insane. When I saw Sting at Red Rocks.
Religion as Control and Explanation
01:17:31
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Yeah, no, that wasn't a religious experience.
01:17:33
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Not for you. Just kidding. I never saw Sting at Red Rocks. Yeah. Yeah. There's something weird about picking on so-called pagan sensibilities. Yeah, so yeah that you had the experiments and it was almost divine and unexplainable, the beauty of it and how it all happened. like and that Then part of you is like, well, how do I explain that?
01:17:54
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That's the other side of like religion where people are trying to explain what they don't can't explain. what it no i'm saying but I can understand that. it's not like not It's not always used as ah ah essentially a way to oppress people.
01:18:09
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It's like, why the fuck are we here? How do explain it? What happens when we're not here? and People need and want to explain that. and Of course, religion a lot of times has taken advantage of that. But how do you explain that moment? you know I don't know.
01:18:24
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I don't indeed i need to. I really don't know. i feel I feel the same way being in the ocean sometimes. And you just like, there's this endless, well, an endless sea of water. Yeah.
01:18:37
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Right in front of you and power. And I feel the same way in the mountains and they're good feelings. And they're, they're a feeling of like, not purpose, but of being a part of something beyond yourself.
01:18:49
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And it doesn't make me feel special. That's the thing of religion, this this need to dominate, this need to explain, and but also be on top, like God created you in his image. Fuck off.
01:19:04
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now No, no. but I think don't believe it. I don't believe any of that. A lot of it is like what we're exposed to, and you're exposing religion from all all accounts that you've reported. is not like the people in your life that are hitting you with it. It's like, well, I could say it's nuts to them. It's not, or to other people, but like, you're like, of course you have this resistance.
01:19:26
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My, my, ah you know, that I had a comedian and what was his name? It doesn't matter, but he he had a, he was talking about Catholics. How the big thing with Catholics is like, does it count?
01:19:37
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So it's like, can I go to church Saturday night? It counts, right? Like if it's after dark, it counts. Or did I go to this? did it count? Does this count? And it's like, I think that was more of my exposure to being Catholic was like, you go to church, you got to do it. It's like a number, numbers game.
01:19:51
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And I never got any sort of lecturing of like, well, faith is this and that, and this is why you're going to do it and be saved. It was like, this what you do. It's like, got to get first communion. You go here and then you can do whatever you want, but you got to do that. And it was like, this is just a thing you got to do.
01:20:05
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But it wasn't crazy, but it also had no, like, it didn't, it didn't give me some like a quest for spirituality or anything like that. But I also never fucking, the other thing is like, if you probably, you would have, everyone would assume that anyone who ever, any young boy ever went to Catholic church at least got fucking a handy, right?
01:20:25
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Like it's like universal now that every, it's like, no, I i probably met 15, 20 priests in my life. Never got, and it had never had anything but a good experience with every one of them Not even like judgmental, they were they were all like what you'd expect. They were all like kind, encouraging, open people.
01:20:45
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not Not even like sending, you know? Like, except for down here, I've heard some priests where you're like, this message is from like 1850. It's so fucking ridiculous. But like, yeah, I've never had any bad experience with a priest.
01:20:57
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maybe i'm Maybe I'm not good looking enough, man. I might've met 10 abusers. just didn't know it and they didn't do it to me. And I had a good experience, right? Like, who knows? Yeah, I'm just more fascinated by the significance that religion allows humans to put in and on themselves.
01:21:16
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What I see is the exact opposite. Among the other creatures of this planet, among the other really just biological functions of this planet, We somehow believe that we are this like divine, I mean, just amazing thing.
01:21:32
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And it's fucking laughable. You would think it would be the opposite. It's like, I'm a part of something so much bigger than me. I'm going to bow down to... the ocean waves and the, you know, it's more of a conquer mindset that we've taken on. And I think religion has had a big part in us taking that or sort of like adopting that mindset of conquering, dominating, having dominion over, or that stems from religion. And that to me is probably the biggest consequence. It's, I think because of religion, two things that have encouraged our behavior our legacy, like on the earth, everyone wants their legacy.
01:22:09
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And then, what' ah what's going happen when I die? Did I do the right thing so that I'll, I'll something good will happen when I die. seems like two motivations. One's world day and the other one's like post post life, but legacy right is seen. And they're in direct conflict with anything that like Jesus would have taught, you know,
01:22:33
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and like leaving your legacy. And then i even would think that maybe not, maybe somebody who's more studying the Bible might or the verses of Jesus, but doing something for the sake of being saved doesn't seem like his, his message either.
01:22:48
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Like, uh, helping the poor or something like that. It should, it should not be, it should be like a selfless act. It's like, Hey, well, if I, if I was going to rot and just turn into a pile of dirt, I still want to help these people. Cause that's the right thing to do right now.
01:23:01
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Not because, ah I'm going to get saved. I want to ask you this maybe to end here.
Trump and Religious Values
01:23:09
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It's kind of related. you You seem to have a sort of a softer view of Trump and Trump's appeal.
01:23:16
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How do you reconcile, maybe through religion or just through comedy, how do you reconcile just the unending lying? that I think you would admit is lying. Some people will call it bullshitting. Oh, he's a bullshitter. He likes to tell fish tales and tall tales and so forth.
01:23:33
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and Can you give me an example? i know I know what they are, but like, what are you you talking like the little thing, like the videos you see in the 80s where he'll be like, I read this book. Somebody will push him on like, what is what's the book about?
01:23:44
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And he's just like, he's so he's a great author. Okay, what have you read? Crowd size at his first term when he said he had the biggest crowd in history. ah Stuff like that. But just that that seat can seem kind of harmless. Yeah, I mean he's... Down to lying that he knew anything about the Heritage Project or the Heritage Foundation.
01:24:05
Speaker
that was creating essentially the list of to-dos that he's falling through. and to So you could there's so many things. the Lying about other what other people did or didn't do.
01:24:16
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I just wonder how you would reconcile it. As an supporter. If you reconcile it at all. Well, that's actually, I think, for someone who is an avid supporter. who I mean, there's got to be some. and there and Not there's got to be. There's plenty of intelligent Trump supporters that probably see it too.
01:24:30
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I'd be interested to hear how they... actually reconcile that stuff but because i think what most people would do maybe me too be like what do you think you know you would answer that question with another negative which would be that's the way politicians are and he's just playing the game that that that everybody else is doing and he's trying to get his point across so he's got to do it got to do it um i think it's the one it's one of the more un like flattering and unredeeming things about him and i Because I have a different take on a lot of his policies than than some people do that don't don't support him.
01:25:07
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he might Some of these might have some value, but like his delivery and his lying and his self-promotion are all like a turn off for me. but yeah I don't i don't think and don't think I can just on the spot justify his lying. That's what you're looking for. Well, it's fascinating. so don' I don't tune into it, but I've seen some like really crazy clips where he's just saying,
01:25:31
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He's just saying like random shit, like just flowing, free flowing, like random crap. And you're like, ah, is he even here? Is he so amazing or is he is he there? Is he just that disconnected? yeah like Well, I've never been able to understand people's support of him, given that.
01:25:50
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Like to me, he's viewed as a strong man. It's just like, no, that... That behavior, he's the weakest public figure, like in terms of weak man, weak minded man that I've seen.
01:26:06
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Now, of course, I'm inundated with him and no one else, but like he's the weakest example of a human being I've seen. I don't I don't like see him as like a good leader.
01:26:18
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Well, right now, like like you you probably I don't know, like Reagan probably was polarizing, but he was probably seen as a good leader. There's like people like that you're like, well, they're probably a good leader. Maybe even the Democrats or Republicans might acknowledge that Clinton was kind of a smooth talker and could rally people and could rally, like his words can move people whether you think he was a piece of shit or not. Like, I don't, I just don't see Trump as like a great leader. Yeah, well, I blame the religious people because somehow they've.
01:26:49
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Oh, you're bringing that, you're bringing that back. Yep, for reasons I can never understand. So fucking take that. Is it just because he's Republican, though? That they love him?
01:27:00
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Yeah. like Whether it's his dumb ass or some other guy, they they find a way... It's like they find a way, you know? To justify I don't know how you you can reconcile your apparent religious beliefs and principles to the shit a abuse of him ah behavior of what would be the weakest man. i could i could point to the weakest man, and public figure in history.
01:27:26
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That would be him. And I would say maybe like there's rare that people emulate Jesus less than him.
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01:27:35
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There you go.
01:27:36
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Like there's nobody else for this. Like, yeah, there's nobody else who's that self-promoting, self-centered, self-egoistic, like unaware.
01:27:49
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None of that stuff, ah which is which is kind of crazy. But but then you question what they're in their little religious sex, like what they're what they're in it for as well. His whole life, he's been the embodiment of excess consumerism, indulgence, and now he is your champion. that That's quite interesting.
01:28:09
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so for now That's where I might differ differ with you because I'm like, well, that's that is what is. That's reality for a lot of people and that's what they like and this that's why it's okay.
01:28:21
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what They like that, but they they i still, like going back to- No, no. If you said, oh, he's the embodiment of excess and and people would interpret that as, well, that's way it should be.
01:28:32
Speaker
It's freedom and capitalism and like should you should play the game however you need to. It's like it ain't cheating unless you get caught. is how But there people the religious people, though, why are they so universally for this guy?
01:28:47
Speaker
I never get it. can't answer that question. And somebody can explain, you know, there's a character in the Bible that, you know, is not a good person, but is fighting. Somehow he's ah force that's fighting against the evil in the world. I don't fucking know, but I'll never understand it.
01:29:05
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And ah I'll put it to bed. All right. There you go. Dark woke.
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