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Max Keeble's Big Move with Auston Babb - FOOD FIGHT!
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We got a ole regular debate episode for ya! Join MY WIFE and I as we debate Max Keeble's Big Move, a movie about a 7th grader who gets up to all kinda of (unrealistic) hijinks. Auston thinks it makes total sense and I reference Star Wars to make a point that totally lands. Listen to hear it all!
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Introduction and Host Setup
00:00:01
Speaker
um We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you some breaking news. There's been reports all over the area of something crazy going on, something big. People's homes, their minds even, are being taken over by something called... What is it they're calling it? They're calling it Bad Movie Debate! What up nerds? It's Jacob Babb with Bad Movie Debate. We're back with another... classic. debate episode um well you know we're not doing anything weird you know we're doing we're not doing any you know uh council of cinema or like head to heads or any bullshit like that this is just a is it bad yes or no what do we thank kind of an episode and tonight i have
00:00:51
Speaker
It's Austin. Austin Babb. Wow. I have a new last name now. That's right. This is Austin Piercy, formerly known as the podcast guest formerly known as Austin Piercy. This is my wife. My wife is on the podcast. Yes, she is. We've been together a very long time. You were basically already my like my wife, but you ah might, well, my wife and my wife, I almost had like a, was it a slip of the tongue? um But you're both of those things.
00:01:23
Speaker
um But the good news is, is, or the different news is, is you actually have changed your last name officially on the papers. Officially, got the papers, got a new ID, even with work. Got a new ID, got a new social security card with it on there. Now I am MissBab, or as the kids say, Babs, or BAB, which didn't love that one. Yeah, which is crazy that, like, you said that and you're like, they called me Babs. And I was like, Yeah, I've been living with this name for 29 years. They need to be more clever. I thought they're Gen Alpha now, right? Like they should be. Yeah. So they're like Gen Alpha. They're part of the Gen Alpha and stuff like he wasn't even doing it to be mean. Exactly. Yeah. But it hurts. Right. Oh, wait. Sorry. I didn't mean to say that. No, but it doesn't feel good, though. Right. Because someone can just do that if they wanted to. like I think I'm just going to lean into it.
00:02:19
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no you should you know and you need to lean lean into what your teacher friends are doing like the rest of your like like uh co-workers and stuff are doing babs as in babs barber strides in because like that's goaded like babs like It's just me, Babs. Yeah, exactly. Like, that's dope. Like, that's good. So, anyway, it's Austin Piercy, BAB. It's BAB. That's Austin BAB now, whatever. You know who she is. You know who she is. um She did the John Tucker episode. And I won. And the D-Con episode. Which I also won.
00:02:53
Speaker
yeah just saying i'm undefeated it's almost like there's a bias amongst the room between the host and this particular guest what that thinks i'm always right it's almost like i'm forced to think you're always right and now because of this ring on my finger i'm legally obligated to always consider you correct or it's bad news for me right at least that's what sitcoms have taught me there you go right so here we are
00:03:24
Speaker
but we're not talking about sit columns today are we no that's right um good Thank God. Um, cause I don't have anything prepared for that. We are talking about a, so Austin, as if it hasn't been notified to you in the past or isn't clear from how we've been talking about your students and your teacher coworkers and stuff, Austin is a teacher.
Back-to-School and Movie Selection
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And, um, we are about to be back in the school year, which is good news for me, who works at a retail store and bad news for her. Who's a teacher? Cause she has to go back to work. Uh, but I also don't have to deal with children in my retail store all the time. I get to deal with them. you need to deal with them, which is where they belong, getting smarter and better and not destroying the store I work in, making me have to stay late to clean it up. um So I'm elated about this news that summer for kids is almost over, bummer for you.
00:04:16
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you'll be okay. um So where you're going to do a movie that is very specifically like about being in, this movie is specifically middle school, ah he there's junior high, seventh grade. junior high Because it's a big deal, his first day of seventh grade. um If you already know what the movie is based on that, well, I guess it's in the title. So that's not that impressive, nevermind. Anyway, we're doing Max Kiebel's big move. And if you don't know it, just fucking turn this off and go watch it because you know it you genre was it was a school movies like movies that involve a school setting we're doing movies like yeah i was like i need an episode babe what do you want to do wifey because we're married now uh since she was on last week um that's what everybody know um and she was like oh we could do one that's like
00:05:10
Speaker
about school in some fashion and stuff and we landed on Max Kiebel's big move. Part of the problem with this one though, this movie, was specifically um you thought this movie was Eddie's Million Dollar Cookoff. Well they both had food fights, they both had kids in school, and they both had like a middle school boy as the main character. Yes, as as do most of this specific genre of movie does. And we were starting to watch it earlier tonight and you were like,
00:05:46
Speaker
I'm convinced that I was completely wrong and thought this movie was Eddie's Million Dollar Cook-Off. I am in for a surprise for what happens here. Did you remember anything from the movie? The food fight. Okay, besides the fucking food fight? No. Okay. So, as far as we know, Austin had never seen this movie of you before. No, I definitely had. Okay, so she had at least once and remembered the name of it enough to be like, I know that movie and hence why we are now talking about it. But we'll get into our thoughts about it and everything. um So obviously, like like we said, this is a movie about
00:06:24
Speaker
being in school and some like the main setting is a school and like the plot is relative to being in a school in some way so that's like what our top that's like where our genre is like a school related movie my top five is mostly high school I think you said yours was similar yeah or they're all high school
00:06:44
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What was that? Oh, some weird notification on my phone. It's
Top School Movies Discussion
00:06:47
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fine. Wow. I didn't turn it on. Silent. Please turn your phones on. Silence. Look for your nearest exit. Please enjoy the following presentation at AMC Theaters. That's what they say. and I did not do that. I didn't turn my phone on silent for this, which is embarrassing for me. I usually always make sure I do that. um Anyway, um the moon is rising right now or Saturn. Okay, let's get back on track. Oh, the ISS was flying over right now, so that's interesting. um Anyway. ISS.
00:07:20
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International space station. Okay in school suspension. Oh, no Okay back to schools. Um, what are your fucking top five school related movies Austin Austin Lee? Okay, so I googled school movies and a bunch of them came up and I pretty much loved all of them Yeah, and so having to choose its a popular setting was difficult um but okay we've got in no particular order because I didn't take the time to rate them I never do I never do it either totally fun
00:07:53
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Anyways, in no particular order, we've got ah Mean Girls, we've got 21 Jump Street, She's the Man, Easy A, Sleepover, which I recently watched for the first time. The fuck is Sleepover? It is about, they're actually in middle school, so this one, that could count as a middle school one. Okay great, but what is that? I've never heard. I don't. So we watched it at a Bachelorette ah Bachelorette Party, which was super fun and relevant. Shout out, Cassidy. Yeah, we love you. um But it's about there's like two c clicks of girls, right? And they're both having separate sleepovers. There's like the popular girls and then the main girls. Well, they go on the scavenger 2000s.
00:08:35
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This is an older movie. Yeah, it's older. I had never seen it. Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard of it. But it was so fun. It was so good. They did a little scavenger hunt where they had to do all these ridiculous things and then it ended at the school dance. And like the not cool girls. Yeah. And they were competing for a spot at the lunch table for ninth grade, like a good lunch table spot. And the losers had to eat by the dumpster. Spoiler alert. the main characters won obviously and she gets the guy and it's all good in the end and Evan Peters is in that movie as like a little like nerdy skater boy but he's so cute. Oh so this is pre-American Horror Story? Yes he's a middle schooler. Oh damn okay. He's yes he's young. Okay bitch I didn't know.
00:09:24
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I said it was at middle school. Yeah, I didn't know he was one of the kids. He could have been somebody else. Anyways, we had um also the last one I put a high school musical. I get yelled at a lot high school musical to because I like that one better than the first, you know, it's not as ah set in a high school setting, but it still counts. No, but they're in high school and it's important to their lives. So it's kind they're getting summer jobs. I'm gonna go on a rant real my go is a very quick. up a quick little rant A quick little rant. It's literally like just a couple of sentences. High school musical two is better than high school musical one for two reasons. One, it's not
00:10:00
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just romeo and juliet which we all know and have heard the fucking story multiple times forever we don't need to hear it anymore especially in a musical setting like that like that's annoying to me like shakespeare musicals are annoying just do the plays as they work two the songs are better in high school notic that's number one well yeah yeah that song sucks compared to some of the ah so some of the banngers in two that's the one where they're in the kitchen bing pinking pink pink butby like like word
00:10:33
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where birthday is and stop we can't sing more disney we well shut this down if they somehow hear this That's their IP, we can't sing anymore. It also gave us Zac Efron's bed on it, which... Yeah, bed on it! That was the other one I was thinking of, is the kitchen one are better in and high school bed on it are musical tips. like the two best, that's the best thing, music-wise, that came from High School Musical. So High School Musical 2 is better than High School Musical 1. At me, and I probably won't respond, because if you think High School Musical 1's better, I don't care. Anyways. What are the rest of your movies? That was all five of them. Actually, I think I named six.
00:11:08
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What's your sixth one, darling? No, that was the sixth one, but I have some honorable mentions. Okay, so you named six for your five, and then you got, well, we're fucking just doing it. We got Clueless. Great, phenomenal. John Tucker Must Die, obviously, throwback to that first episode. Yeah, we know she likes that one. um And then, so, I put Booksmart on here, which I have forgotten about that movie. Booksmart's good, it's not... Hello, I had forgotten about that movie until I was googling um movies about school and so that's like the girl version of Superbad, which both are great and both deserve a spot on the list, but they're in the honorable mentions.
00:11:47
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looks weren't good super bads but Yeah, well, it's the original, so. Well, I mean, it has nothing to do with whether one's first or not. Like, super bad. It's just a written. All right, give me your list. A better written movie and stuff. I'm not saying I don't like it. I liked Booksmart and stuff, just super bad. OK, what are your top five? My top five. 14. My top five, because I only did five, because I'm not psychotic. ah My wife is insane. um This first one's going to really make you upset. Okay, go for it. Because I know how much you hate this movie. Because of the actress. I don't hate it. I know what you're gonna say. You sure? 10X I hate about you. It's a great movie. It's a phenomenal movie. It's a great movie and Heath Ledger is like the hottest he's ever been. He is the... But she annoys me and that's the only thing that I dislike about the movie. but Is the character or the actress? Is the actress? Maybe both. I think it's the actress you've said. I feel like you've said the actress before. Maybe. I don't know. and like
00:12:42
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Which is insane because she's perfectly fine in that movie. she does a She does exactly what she was hired to do. She's not, like, outstanding. She got a bad attitude. I don't like it. That's her fucking character. Her character has a bad attitude. It's 10 things I hate about you. Then I don't like her character. You're supposed to not like your character till the end. that she flashes the teacher or whatever and that makes her run away and stuff because she falls in love with Heath Ledger which is insane because it's like how could you not just immediately fall in love with him sure that's again that's a casting problem not a character problem whatever so that one
00:13:18
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is way up there i've also previously done movies that are set in high school and i try to like <unk> trying not to repeat as much as i can when i do these genre movies just to illustrate how many movies i've seen i've seen a lot of movies i do a movie i do a movie podcast on i do a movie podcast i need to let the people know that i haven't i've seen more than just like ten movies
00:13:42
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is way up there. gee God card audience. This is being married. Mm-hmm. Your audience is always hard. It's always judging you ah mean girls On your list. There we go. Cuz mean girls is oh, yeah, so good the fucking like I don't think anybody who listens to this podcast who is our age is Gonna say mean girls is bad the new one shit. You haven't even seen it. Why would I? Because they lied to me and said it wasn't a musical, but it was. It's definitely a musical. I'll watch it with- Which is a lie! With your- With Oh JoLynn, my grandmother. With JoLynn, your grandma. She fell asleep. Aww. So did I.
00:14:22
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Okay, so y'all had a lot in common. You liked the movie and you also fell asleep at the same time. It was basically the same thing as the first one. Yeah, but it had like songs and a musical version. It doesn't need songs and shit. No, it hasn't. Exactly. That's why we need that rapping scene where Amy Poehler and Tina Fey taught that kid how to rap. Oh. They taught him how to rap. Yeah, they taught him how to rap. That's how- What's his name? Kenny G? Yeah, Kenny G. Like they- Kevin G. Kevin G. Kevin G. Kenny G is an actual artist. Like he does like a like i sexy like woodwind music and stuff. like Sexy woodwind? Okay. Yeah.
00:15:02
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look him up. We'll play him, wink. ah i um But the point is they, they, uh, Angie Pauler and Tina Fey taught him like the cadence of rapping and stuff. So he could like do his like, uh, what's called a talent show. Yeah. No, I remember. so Yeah. They taught him like, that's insane. Cause like, they're, they just, they're just so funny. Um, anyway, so remember what I said about how I wasn't going to repeat um but I was looking for one that was like in middle school specifically because this one's junior high which is basically which is the same thing yeah um alley cat strike oh shots out how to catch everybody that I made watch alley cat strike who has watched alley cat strikes since that episode has been like how could I have never known it's great it's wholesome every if if everybody had seen that movie
00:15:55
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when I saw that movie as a child. Cause it was like one of those ones where it's like, you know, like Harry Potter weekend, we're like, I don't like that fourth Harry Potter movie. Goblet fire. I don't like Goblet of fire. They overplayed it because on ABC. camera harry Harry Potter weekend. RIP ABC family. It's free for them now. Same channel, but they really yeah, it's dumb. It's why we don't have cable. That's why check it. We're showing our age No, it's fine. We don't have cable. So we're still hip. We're still cool who has cables fucking boomers, dude, not us But anyway in ABC family times when they would do Harry Potter weekend every single time I was able to tune in it was just got the fire and I would sit there and watch it of course and I was like, of course I'm going to just watch it. So like I'm over it and everything. So like, I don't know, I like that strike. Like if you had seen this back then, like I've seen this as many times as I did because I would always see this on Disney channel. Like it was whatever. That's how Harry Potter is related. Yeah, this is how it relates. And complete the circle. Where are you going with this?
00:16:58
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Every time I would turn on Disney Channel and they were playing like a movie night, it was more often than not Alley Cat Strike versus like Phantom of the Megaplex or like, it was all high school musical after that came out, but this came out before it. It was like, they were doing like the classic ones and then they would only keep, they would only do Halloween Town. love it during Halloween. So this is like an evergreen one. So I would see it all the time. So it's one of the best to be, hey, so I haven't watched it. butin it's a fall out It's a fall movie.
00:17:29
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so yeah guy like coco in it and the kayli coco in it and She's like one of the biggest actors ever because of the big bang theory, which is a show that sucks, but good for her. All right. Next movie. Breakfast Club. I haven't talked about that breakfast club. It's classic. It's so fucking good. Kisses attention. Fucking that song. they In community, when they're dancing with the pizza guy, like that's all a reference. It's referenced in some of the things. Because it's iconic. True. It's so good. like And then the fucking fist pump at the end and stuff. those That song, they had a song, lost like the save data or something to the song. It's something like that. what They made the last the song at the last second. No, it was good.
00:18:09
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And like, it's like the perfect song for that moment. Because they had like a song that they were working on or something, something happened, they lost it, they couldn't do it, something whatever. And then, another decum, cause I was like, fuck it, I'll throw another one in here. Cause I actually did really like this movie growing up, the 13th year. The Little Mermaid Boy. watch that, neither of us could get through it. I didn't get through it because you fell asleep and I was like, I'm not watching this without you. it was a it wasn't out of like i'm only watching this because you wouldn't watch this and then you fell asleep so i'm turning it off it was a we said we were going to watch the 13th year together and you fell asleep and then every time i was like that doesn't have to do with school though that's about a a boy becoming a mermaid it's the 13th year he's 13 years old he's on the swim team in his fucking school okay okay and the swim team thing is very relevant
00:19:05
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to the plot of the story. Because he figures out that he's a fucking mermaid. A mer-man. A mer-person. Don't cancel me. I'm not big enough to get canceled. It doesn't matter. If I am ever, I'll delete this episode, so it won't matter. right So I'm probably going to lose the episode too. Hey, you know Austin Cheats. What a what a no confident attitude. I said, you know how Austin Cheats is what I had said. Anyway,
00:19:36
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max geebles big move what a doozy of a movie so you like it yeah i think it's a good movie i will argue the positive so she'll be the positive because she loves that it's her new favorite movie for some reason and well i wouldn't go that far okay so she Alright, so we're already poking holes in her opinion about it. We're do we're off to a good start. I didn't fall asleep. Which is step shocking. And we started it after seven o'clock. We started a movie at seven thirty and Austin Lee didn't fall asleep. That means it must be pretty good. So you heard it here first. You know, so like point counterpoint, we're still neutral. Let's go over these scores. Rotten tomatoes. Critics.
00:20:23
Speaker
29% whoo That's rough. It's better than other ones that i are not strong It's better than other ones that I've done which is shocking 29. Yeah, what's the audience score? 38 oh, yeah, really low still did him dirty. No It's just okay. We'll talk about this is the most shocking one IMDB 5.4 IMD 5% 5.4 out of 10 oh so like 54% sure but they usually are in like the imdb is usually right in the middle at like 6.5 plus or minus 0.4 sure like the good ones are like 8.9 like getting in like a nine
00:21:12
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on a movie on IMDB is crazy. So 5 is well below average. Cause like a 6.4 or 6.5 is average for, even though it's out of 10, most like stuff is mid range and stuff. 5.4 IMDB is one of the lower IMDB scores I've gotten from. all right lower i've gotten We've had lower Rotten Tomatoes critic scores on stuff. yeah Like we've had like a 13 or 14. I don't remember the movie, but If you remember the movie, ah message me on Instagram and I'll buy you a movie ticket. um If you tell me exactly which movie that I've done before, that is lower than 29% that I'm referencing. ah Metacritic, 40. So their critics is 40. So a lot more love than 29 for their critics that they use on there. And then the user score, insanely, somehow is 7.1. Wait.
00:22:12
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So they're out of 10. So the user score. so You just said it was 40%. Metacritic is is like out of 100, is like a percentage yeah for the critics, but then their user score is like an out of 10. So it's the same thing. Stupid. It's just, it's Metacritic. They're kind of pretentious over there. it's just Stupid. Okay. okay please don't cancel me i'm trying to try to do what i love for a living here and my wife is trying to ruin everything for me um jesus so 40 percent let's say for metacritic and then 71 percent all right if that makes it ah easier for you to understand you don't teach math anymore right you know so yeah so it's easier if you don't understand but it's like that
00:22:56
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The point is, 71%, 7.1 out of 10, user score on Metacritic is insane. That's one of the higher ones I've seen. Okay. And it's like, why? I'll tell you why. Listen to the rest of this episode. Okay.
Critics and Comedy Review
00:23:10
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Let's see what some critics have to say specifically.
00:23:15
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um So, we'll start with the good as we always do here. It's the good, the bad, and the ugly, but we just do good and bad. The ugly is the discussion afterwards, um let's say, because it's chaotic. So, let's see. What's her name? Eleanor Ringel Carter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution. fancy says quote an entertaining and often quite amusing kid flick with good acting and a good message end quote I agree about which part all the above okay so we'll just move right on went to the bad we're supposed to talk about it i I just that if you had any opinion you say I agree with all the above okay um so the bad
00:24:05
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This is Lawrence Von Gelder for the New York Times. said quote this clunky juvenile comedy lurches among multiple storylines without fully realizing the comic potential of any wow this guy's talking about pretentious tries to use big words it's the clunky it's the new okay so hold on time out time out first of all first of all it's the new york times it's gonna be pretentious second of all
00:24:37
Speaker
Clunky is a pretentious word? Yeah, the way he's using it. That's a big word? Because it don't make no sense. What do you mean? It's a clunk, the story is clunky. The story is clunky? Yeah, that is a totally normal sentence. This story is clunky. is Meaning it doesn't flow and it just like, okay. It's like, I'm going to use the word incorrectly. It's clunked up. Clunked up. Like that would be the bad, that would be a wrong way to use the word. Okay. My man Lawrence here used it correctly. I just had to attack him because he's talking shit about my movie, so. Okay, so did you want to attack him maybe for the word juvenile or lurches? Lurches was the one I was thinking of. That's the word you were thinking of. Very unnecessary. Great. Lurches describes is like a word that- I know what that means. What does it mean then? Read it in the sentence again. No. Lurches, I think I'm thinking lurking. Lurches forward. Moves forward.
00:25:33
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Yeah, but jumps forward. Yeah, but look yes bends forward. Yes, but lurch is specifically has like a a jarring movement as a jarring clunky not great to look at weird way of moving forward is what that means. Okay. Wow. All right. So you don't teach math. You clearly don't teach, teach England. Do you? Yeah, I do. oh fuck Yeah, I do. And I don't teach them words like lurches and clunking. Well, they're in third grade. Is that a thing? Do they? I don't think they would need to know those words. I mean, I don't know. It doesn't matter. All right. So what as we so that's all the reviews and the scores and our tops. What do you think about the bad review? Do you agree with it? Do you have any comments? Oh, I agree. think It's clunky.
00:26:28
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i ah I do agree with it that it is kind of clunky because it is like ah the main thing is like just to get away from the word clunky um because it's gonna get you're gonna get the verbal synesthesia or whatever the fuck it's called where you can't like the word sounds clunky yeah stop I don't want to get that word sounds weird in your mouth and like you're like it's not even a word anymore um the main thing about that ah review is there's not there's a lot of like threads that start that could have a comic payoff that could be like a comedic like funny like thing and stuff that just kind of like like what i mean like half the movie like there's nothing that really pays off i mean the only thing that really pays off in my opinion is the uh what's it called the spray with the uh fair about that's the only one that like really pays off it just like
00:27:25
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ago it's like most of the movie is like starting bits and we only get like a couple we only get like the ah we only get the pheromones and then the rest of it is like narrative plot like they open a lot of comedic doors for adults that are watching the movie because they're they have kids in 2001 and they took him to see a fucking Disney movie you know and stuff and then they like just kind of bypass them. There's not really any like real resolution to the ice cream man. No, because he's still checked. That's the only thing that's say consistent.
00:28:05
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Yeah, and like, that's but that's like... An ice cream man is just gonna be his nemesis. He's gotta have a nemesis. See, no, he doesn't. He's in middle school. he Okay, no, an adult man. Like, Jason, like... Because he... Okay, when you say it that way, it sounds weird. Yeah, okay, so I'm saying it like any rational person. would Like, you know what I mean? Like, but that's the point. It's like, that's kind of funny, but like, it doesn't get like a resolution. Like, and it's like, it was kind of played out, like, in a way that wasn't like... He was never like the bad, bad guy. Like he was just annoying. I mean, yeah, again, it's like, I understand that, but like. And just always around. Like he he never needed to be destroyed. Sure. but Well, it wasn't about being destroyed. It was about like opening revenues of like. No, it was about destroying.
00:28:53
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the the enemies they're his enemies is this dnd what are you talking about you wanted this seventh grader to murder no when i say destroy i mean take down isn't that the lesson though is that what you liked about it
00:29:10
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is that you're not supposed to just hit and run? Are you supposed to like stand up and like be cool? We'll get there. We'll get there. Okay. So I'm just saying you're already contradicting yourself. Foreshadowing Austin is contradicting yourself by the time she's like, I really loved the message, which was the opposite of what you're saying. That's part of what makes it fun is that he has these like these bad guys quote that are like so very obviously bad guys that he's like, Oh, I have to like do this and this and this to get them back. But then really,
00:29:41
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I mean, what well, when we get to the end of the movie, he'll realize that he didn't have to do all those things, but it's part of the fun of the movie to watch it play out. Exactly. But there's like there's just like comedic things that are like. We just never really like it's just like it's opening a lot of doors and then just leaving them open. There's a lot of that. You still never said like what? I literally just told you. I just told you one. Ice cream man. Yes, I mean that's one. The only one that finishes is the spray. That's the only one where we actually that actually sticks through the entire movie.
00:30:22
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that is like relevant to the entire plot. If you're gonna have a movie and you wanna have a tight movie that has like comedic stuff and everything like that. Oh, like all their pranks, that's the only prank that like is continuous. Yeah, all the pranks and stuff. It's like, ha, that's a quick hit and run and stuff. But like, they overload it with so many pranks. That's what makes it fun. No, they overload it with so many- They're middle school, Jacob. What do you expect from them? He does like 100,000 pranks in four days. Like- Iconic. I guess. Anyways, we'll move on. We're not debating whether if this was real, if it would be iconic or not. Of course it would be iconic. That's the coolest kid in school. No doubt. Max Geeble, I want him to be my friend. No doubt. Fuck Lil Romeo. I want to be friends with Max Geeble. Lil Romeo is in this movie. If you don't remember Lil Romeo, look him up. You'll remember.
00:31:13
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You will remember. We also got some... Not a little bow-wow. Not a little bow-wow. Little Romeo. We got some other cameos. We got Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk at the very beginning. He had shot with ice cream by the ice cream man. He hit with ice cream. In a dream sequence thing, which is why he's there. And then who was the other one? There was another one. Well, there is Eddie from That's a Raven, but he's like an actual character. And then Josh Peck. Eddie from That's a Raven. And then Josh Peck is his fat friend, which is literally what his name should have been. What's the name of the character? I couldn't tell you. His name is Robe.
00:31:46
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They call him Robe. They say his name at the very beginning. And they're like, but we just call him Robe and he's only referred to as Robe by everyone, including the teachers. They say kid with the robe is the only time he's referred to by an adult. We'll talk about how much I hate that character, not Josh Peck, the character. In a second, I want to take a step back because you just jumped into attacking me. I'm sorry. I like to do this little thing. What's something you don't like about the movie, and I'll say something I do like about the movie. You've been on the show. You've heard how it's recorded. Let me do my thing. People like structure. Sorry, I just got so ahead of myself. I know we do a bunch of off the dome flowing conversation stuff here, but there is a little bit of structure. I was going to say something you don't like. I do like I was going to say you mentioned Josh Peck's character and how he was like a fat friend and like that was basically his only like contribution to the story. They could have done that. Like he's like a little fat boy who eats a lot and like wears a robe all the time. Josh Peck was hired for this role because he was fat when he was younger and he's a good actor.
00:33:06
Speaker
Simple as that. Yeah that part I was like That's just one of those stereotypes that they felt like they needed to play into I don't think that that was one part that I didn't care for it's it's that It's insane didn't make the movie any better It does not add anything to the movie the fact that he is a fat weird friend. Yeah is nothing to do with it he can be weird without being fat he can be weird without being fat but as clearly it's two thousand and one they're clearly making him his weird friend in fact oh yeah there's a ton of stereotypes in this movie tons of stereotypes really play on it big of course
00:33:38
Speaker
way though it's disney in two thousand so it's it's disney in two thousand and one of course all the stereotypes are like very on the nose and very apparent and very like you know obviously like looking back like with a modern scope it's like this isn't great but it's just like it just so yeah I remember even being well I mean maybe I was a little biased as a fat kid it was just annoying being like I'm not weird cuz I'm fat You know what I mean? like Fat doesn't make me weird. I'm just weird. like I just am into weird stuff. I don't eat food off the floor. I don't drink colas that are rolling on the bus like and stuff. and like I don't literally pick off spaghetti from my friend who is put into a dumpster and try to put it in my mouth and have to have somebody tell me to stop. Which is literally something that happens in this fucking movie. like
00:34:25
Speaker
So that's why I was just weird and fat I wasn't weird because I was fat or I wasn't fat because I was weird But like that's all this character is and it's annoying especially as Josh Peck as we all know is a great actor Drake and Josh great show Anyway, so thank you for explaining my point Yeah, I thought that was one part that I didn't care for in the movie didn't really add anything to it How much I hated that character No, yeah, I had already written it down on my notes. Wow. Okay, so point lost to- You know I was actually taking notes. Well, she wrote it first, so I guess it's the real show. And I said it first. But I also- We're gonna fight.
Character Stereotypes and Themes
00:35:01
Speaker
Obviously hated the principal, but that's like the whole point. And like all of the teachers, I'm like, you guys are doing such a terrible job. Except for that fine-ass fucking science teacher. God damn, she saw it. She didn't do anything, she was just there. But like any teacher who had anything- She was hot as fuck. Any teacher who had anything to say, just like,
00:35:18
Speaker
bad reputation for all the teachers out there. Except for the janitor. Shouts out to him because he was cool. Yeah, janitor was cool as fuck. He was the only person who was normal as fuck. We'll get to your quotes. You specifically wrote down. Oh, I had a quote from him. It was a good one. Nope. We'll get to it. We'll get to it because it's near the end of the movie. We're going to kind of flow through the movie a little bit. What did you like about the movie? Honestly the first thing that comes to mind is um the ah the thing that stuck with me throughout. was the since it was a So it's a Disney movie but it's not a DCOM. It was a theatrical release.
00:35:51
Speaker
So they had a little bit more money to spend on the music. The pop punk fucking bangers that were playing the entire time was so 2001 in the best way. You know you got my wife, my girl, her favorite sugar brag up in that bitch during the food fight scene. She was going off. We were watching it and she was like, hell yeah. She went crazy during that scene. She loves food fights and she loves sugar brag. So she was like, this is the best movie I've ever seen. That's a direct quote. No one else was there, so you can't tell me. It's overly dramatic. Oh, am I speaking in hyperbole? Is this hyperbole, what I'm saying right now? Yes, it's hyperbole. You think? No one else was there, except for Bill.
00:36:40
Speaker
Okay. Um, Bill is the skeleton that comes off for Halloween decorations. Yeah. He stays up in here. Um, he's sitting right behind us. Weirdo. Uh, anyways, I completely agree. And I think it was a banging soundtrack and it kept you, uh, into the movie and engaged the whole time. Just when you might doze off, you're like, Oh, Hell yeah. The pop punk did what pop punk does. It keeps you beat and focused, you know, and stuff. Yeah, loved it. At least that's what pop punk has always done for me. Yeah. Um, so it is what it is. Um, so now that we're actually into the discussion, do you rudely yelled at me about other stuff? Um, tried to put me on the spot, tried to hit me on blast. Um. Gotta call you out. What? I said, gotta call you out.
00:37:30
Speaker
Okay, um so what do you, which what do you want to talk about specifically? um Why this movie is so good and why I liked it and why I would be arguing it's a good movie. Okay, so go to your fucking notes and tell me something about it. Yeah, so first of all, this isn't in the notes, but this is just why I picked the movie. Oh god, she's going off script. Oh god, we're getting some crazy shit. Buckle up. Buckle up, Bill. Here we go. Ugh. um I paid to this movie because, for some reason, we were thinking... um You? Oh, back to... What? You were thinking yeah that it was Eddie's Million Dog. No, I... Okay. Maybe you said we. Shut up. No, like the sha the royal we, the editorial, was it that kind of a we?
00:38:18
Speaker
We were saying, oh, let's do a back to school movie. right And so I said, oh, Max Kiebel's big move. And yeah, I may have thought it was Eddie's Million Dollar Cookoff. I don't really I didn't really remember at the time either of them specifically. I think I maybe combined the two. In my head or something. I don't know but all I remembered with Max Kiebel's big move is that it was a Great movie and that I had like fond memories Enough that I like remembered it my head from watching it as a kid to be like, oh, yeah I love that movie and also that there was a awesome food fight and I am a sucker for food fight scenes So, you know, I had to love this movie What?
00:39:01
Speaker
I have my hand up. ah Thank you for not interrupting. Yeah, I don't want to be in the classroom. I wasn't a problem student. I was a decent student, but that's not neither here or there at this point. My question is is a two-part question. um One, do you think you mixed up these movies because the only scenes you remember from movies from when you were a child was food fight scenes because you're psychotic and you love chaos? I don't know. I don't know. that is i need more than I don't know. like i really I really don't know. I don't know. if any i all I remember were driving to Target on and Saturday or Monday. I think we were driving to Target. We're talking about doing this episode. What maybe we should do and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like, wants to play baseball and like, but he wants to cook and stuff. And I was like, oh, I, okay, fine. Whatever the point still stands. I was saying that and you were like,
00:40:00
Speaker
and you're like and he's going to look at all that's not a million dollar co-coffin i was like the fuck are you talking about that you're like that's max cubel's big move and i was like no it's not that is a million dollars because the big thing at the end he's in the cook off his dad's finally proud of him and accepts him not being a fucking manly man and playing baseball but being a cook super fucking gender role oriented movie by the way and he liked his big thing was He can't crack an egg with one hand and stuff and then like in the cook-off he cracks one hand It's like a big deal for him. I can't do it is impressive. I will say for me personally It's impressive, but that's neither here or there, but you were like no that's Max Kiebel's big move And I was like no the fuck it's not and you're like I was like what do these movies have in common? and You said food fights Eddie you said there's kids and there's food fights and they're
00:40:56
Speaker
Children which is different than the word kids. So that's another similarity like yeah, it's only the food fight So that was my first question So you're just I'm gonna go with you're just an agent of chaos and you just love the chaos of it Sure. Second question is or second part of the first question two-fold question is um as a teacher right yeah so you said earlier you're not in the lunch room when they have lunch no right you're doing you're you know we need to eat lunch you're scarfing your own lunch now as quickly as you can a like 15 minutes to eat our own lunch yeah 20 yeah yeah let's it's a good day it's a problem education reform please oh my god that's all i'm gonna say that's all i'm gonna say i won't get political about education it's fine um
00:41:45
Speaker
but I will hit this, I will ask you this hard hitting question. Okay, I'm ready. If you are um eating your lunch and doing your lessons and doing most of your work, they in where you're trying to eat and work at the same time within 15 minutes, Wink, I'm trying to illustrate a point here. I don't eat and work anymore. i'm trying to illustrate a point here while you're trying to work and also eat within five minutes because that's all you get as a teacher because you were under appreciated in this country and you get paid even less than the time you have to eat lunch um if you heard that there was a food fight going on which is close to your classroom it's just sort of it's just a turn it's just a left it's a small school it's a left and then it's like right over there like uh
00:42:31
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would you go would you rush i know you would i feel like you would have to you're obligated to rush towards there to do your job which would be to contain it if you could help contain it because you have respect amongst your students you have classroom discipline you know what i mean like you you like you know like you like teacher you know they're like oh a teacher's telling me to stop but since you love these scenes so much i'm asking would you rush down there and pick up a plate of mashed potatoes and throw it at the closest kid to you or like get get some like mustard and ketchup and start fucking squee like shootin shooting kids at point blank range like what would you do would you get in there go full Rambo like
00:43:17
Speaker
trying to like hit as many people as you could or would you do what should be your job and be like and be like whoa whoa whoa hey stop this down the fun police are here aka teachers am i right guys oh okay so what would you do so here's the thing um i do not it's not a good way to start off the conversation so here's the thing no um i do not i could never see myself being put into that situation because i don't think that food fights are actually I mean, i don't I've never heard of one actually happening ever in like a realistic setting. stop stop stop I couldn't see it happening at our school. boom Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. I didn't ask you.
00:43:57
Speaker
If it's possible that food fights are just a made-up invention for TV and film to have a fun chaotic scene to express something or move a plot forward. I asked you if a food fight happened in your school, what would you do? Shut it down or join in? It's a very simple binary yes or no. Yes to the food fight or no to the food fight? That's what I'm asking. Also, so I don't I know it it never happens. It's not a real thing It does not happen when as soon as a kid tries to start it it gets shut down that kid gets in trouble They don't happen. Yeah, I get that What would you do if a max kiebel-esque food fight happened?
00:44:41
Speaker
I know. So what would you do? um First of all, if I was in the cafeteria, which I probably wouldn't be, but if I was in the cafeteria, it just so happened to be and a food fight started. And, you know, who's to know what I would do in the moment? I'm sure I would, you know, with my fellow teachers, we'd shut it down. We'd be the fun police, whoever would probably get suspended. I don't know. But would the temptation be there to just throw a plate of spaghetti? Yes. i feel Have I ever had a food fight myself? No. I feel like I can see you knowing how much you love food fights and how, again, Asian of chaos you are has previously been established in this episode. So that makes it canon now.
00:45:35
Speaker
I feel like at the very least I could see you going in there and throwing a plate on the ground to break it lap to make a loud noise. break the yeah draw a paper plate on the ground or a tray or something on the ground to make glass plates soamingly to make a loud noise to get them all to stop so you can be like we're shutting this down so it's like you kind of participated because you like threw something or made a loud noise and like stuff you know what i mean that's what i feel like uh well we've got a little speaker thing microphone
00:46:13
Speaker
Okay, so if I'm organizing a food fight as one of those kids, and I know that I would be grabbing it, it would be in my possession, or I would or i would ah like take it and hide it and throw it away so no one could hear over the screaming kids and stuff. Like, yeah. The world will never know. Yeah, but again, I'm gonna go on record and I'm gonna vote and say that you would join in. um Again, he hit me up on Instagram, and once you hear this episode, at me, message me, maybe I'll do a poll. Would Austin actually get into a food fight or would she keep her job and shut it down? Maybe I would just like, like, like throw just one, one mashed potato. You would throw something, you would throw something down directly on the ground. I'll throw it at the kid who started the food fight. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I was trying to keep you out of trouble.
00:47:10
Speaker
I was saying you would throw a tray down to make levels, and then that would throw some food off of it, and you'd be like, I threw food in a food fight, and then you'd be like, okay, now that everybody's paying attention to the loud noise, shut the fuck up, shut down, we're done, we're done. No, I would not hit a kid with food, obviously. Uh-huh, am I gonna have to- The temptation might be there. Am I gonna have to edit this out of this episode? Okay, great. Okay, I just wanted to make sure, just wanted to make sure. um Okay, so that's your main point, is there's a food fight. Let's go back to the main topic of conversation, which is Max Kiebel's Big Food. That's what I remembered about the movie when I was a kid. Okay, great. But now that we're talking about it now, and we just watched it, is that still the only reason that you think it's a good movie? Oh no, not at all. Okay, then what, what else? I agree, if food fight seems great. Food fight seems always great. It moved the plot forward because it ruined the superintendent ah experience, which
00:48:04
Speaker
it was bad for the principal which was one of the people he was going for to be like fuck you too and stuff so i respect that and like yes that fair point the food site the food fight scene is very good it's a lot of fun and it actually moves the plot for it they don't move the plot for it always all the time sometimes it's just there and you're like all right Yeah, no, I think the whole movie is um a lot of fun. Like, yes, there's some silly things. Like, there's some things that- It's obviously the movie is fun. There's no, no one's disagreeing with that. Yeah, but that's part of my reasoning of why I think that it's a good movie, especially for like middle school kids. um I think it's a fun movie. I think that all their little pranks and stuff are very like, like every kid's kind of thought about doing something like that. um What are you doing?
00:48:51
Speaker
Oh, um, like every kid's kind of thought about doing some of those things and it just like, it's fun to see it brought to life. Um, but then by the end of it, like there is a ah nice message that he learns and, um, you know, it kind of all comes full circle. by the end, so I think it's a fun movie that- Okay, so what is that message? And like, why does it matter? Oh, we're gonna get straight into it? Okay, so- I mean, yeah, like you're saying, like you went, you- Take a moment. I asked you what was your next point and you said, and you said- Well, that was just kind of- There's a good message. Well, and overall, like, it was a fun movie that ended with, like, a good message. And I'm asking you, what is that good message? Okay, let me start you off with a quote from Max Kiebel himself. It took a man with a plunger to make me realize I had to do something.
00:49:41
Speaker
I thought if I stood up to the bullies, but all I had done was a hit and run. That's not courage. That's X courage. So what happens is that, you know, Max is thinking that he's about to move schools. He's like, I don't care. Let's blow up this whole thing. And so he goes after the principal. He goes after the bullies. He goes after the anyone who has been mean to him in the past. yeah And he just fucked shit up, right? He realizes at this point he's not moving and he's like, man, I have kind of ruined the school for my friends. His parents literally come in to be like, we're moving. And then they're like, we're not moving. And they're not relevant ever again, which is kind of weird. But yeah anyway, I'm sorry. um
00:50:28
Speaker
But yeah, so he realizes, oh, we're not moving. I need to start fixing some stuff. And then he realizes that he's kind of made things worse for everyone in the school and his friends um when he was trying to like get back at all these people who had been, you know, bullies to everyone or who had the principal, terrible, terrible person. He's the worst. um Again, part of the point. Yeah, exactly. But he's like, oh, actually, I just did all this stuff to like mess things up for everyone. And I was about to leave and not take responsibility for any of it. Then he realizes, hey, I need to start taking responsibility for my actions. I'm still making a face.
00:51:04
Speaker
I was burping off, off mic. I'm sorry. Um, so he learns throughout this whole process to take ownership and accountability of his actions. Um, he learns from his mistakes and realizes, you know, who his true friends are. He stands up for what he believes in. They say the animal shelter, petting zoo, uh, it doesn't get short down. You know, the bullies are not bullies anymore because he decides, you know what, instead of treating the bullies like a bully, we're not going to be bullies ourselves. And we're just going to walk away. Okay, so what's the message in one sentence? Because you said like, there's a lot of messages. There could be a lot of different messages. I think the main one. I feel like there should be one main message. Okay, well. So what's the one main message? Can I give you two? No.
00:51:51
Speaker
Okay. It's my show, so I'm going to say no. Well, I'm going to give you two anyway, so I think- Well, I only want to hear one. I'll edit the other one out, so say it if you want. No, he will. He's lazy. Oh, I'm not lazy for this. I'm lazy about cutting the grass. My wife is mad at me because I haven't cut the grass yet this week. Continue. Oh, okay. I think that the two main messages are that You should stand up for what you believe in and stand up for your true friends, but then also to take ownership and accountability of your actions and learn from your mistakes, which I think he does all of those things. And by the end of the movie, everyone, you know, is happy. Cool. I'm going to say the doy. Yeah.
00:52:34
Speaker
Yeah, Jacob, this is a kids' movie. They have to have very obvious, in-your-face lessons. Yeah, but the movie still needs to, like, make a modicum of sense. It did! Where? The whole thing made sense. The only thing that made sense was the fair amount of things. Just kidding. That barely made any sense. That was a stretch. Yeah, the whole movie is a fucking stretch. Like, and yeah, they just do a bunch of pranks and then it all turns up like, oh, well, he's hooked everything up. And then he goes back. These pranks are fucking insane. Yeah. but No one said they were remiss. In like.
00:53:08
Speaker
Fucking metal worker jumpsuits to sneak in to the. The fucking they weren't fucking like mechanic jumpsuits to sneak into the other spy outfits. x Excuse me? They're spy outfits. Yes, they are. Yeah. Like they there's a patch on the back that says like whatever city iron works. Like it's like. It's irrelevant. They're in spy outfits with their like beanies and stuff. Okay, so. To disguise themselves. Hold on, hold on, hold on. So I'm saying that the insane part is.
00:53:48
Speaker
i' I'm so confused by you right now. I'm saying it's insane that these children are sneaking into a public school In a mission impossible style way to hack into a principal's computer and then drug him And you think the only part that is you're like, no, that's not a big deal whatever the thing that I'm stuck on is their outfits and
00:54:19
Speaker
Well, that's what you kept bringing up. I was starting there. You didn't even let me get to the main thing. I just said the main thing. I'm just saying, they had not just, they weren't just wearing black. They had specific uniforms for like- They were undercover, Jacob. Okay, I don't think you understand like my issue. No. And like what the problem is with this. The scene, the moment, the plot point in the movie, There's no way some fucking seventh graders are sneaking into a public school. Well, obviously. No one said it was realistic. Plus it was 2001. Schools didn't have locks then. They could do whatever they want. Yeah. pretty It was probably pre-9-11 when it when it was it was shot the year before. So 9-11 happened. Is that what you're trying to say? No, I'm just saying that it's a movie and it doesn't have to be realistic.
00:55:13
Speaker
movies realistic are are not realistic right now, i.e. any Fast and Furious movie that's ever been made. It doesn't matter what year it was, there's movies that are realistic and movies that are unrealistic and stuff. Yeah, I'm saying that it doesn't have to be realistic. I hate the Fast and Furious franchise because it's insanely unrealistic at this point. The first ones were like, yeah, they're just driving and they're drag racing and it's a drag racing drama. Family. Now they're superheroes and their superpower is driving cars good? That's insane. Yeah, we're not talking about that though. I understand, but these children are super spies in seventh grade? No, they're not. They can be. Why not? Because it's psychotic. This is every middle school kid's dream. Yes, it's obviously hyperbolic for in like great fantasy for a child. This movie was made for children.
00:56:09
Speaker
They think it's cool. I understand I like this movie when I was growing up, but even as a fucking child I was like This is a lot Like, I swear to God, granted, I love Halloween down. So that was a lot. And then him doing a somersault, jumping from a trampoline over the fence onto the ostrich's back was fine. No. That was also psychotic. Exactly. It's all exaggerated. It's all just for fun. No no one cares. They made that so dramatic. no no no They're not trying to make a realistic movie. No, OK. So here's my point, though. Here's my point. Here's part of my point. is
00:56:47
Speaker
they establish at the very beginning because the opening scene is a dream sequence where super hyperbolic and like yeah super crazy stuff like that happens in the dream and then he wakes up and then he's in the real world yeah but then the movie continues to be he's doing those things in the real he's living out his dreams jacob oh yeah but like there's just no way he would physically logistically be able to live this dream world
00:57:18
Speaker
that's the part that drives me crazy okay okay they establish that this would be crazy this is obviously a dream his kung fu fight with the ice cream man is clearly insane because it's a dream and then he goes to do the exact same level of batshit crazy shit in the real world including a back flip onto an ostrich off of a, not a trampoline, a tarp on the bed of a truck. Oh, the bed of a truck. That makes it even cooler. Which is not gonna have springs on it to make him bounce. I think that's part of it. It is a flat smack done
00:58:06
Speaker
no I think that's part of it obviously obviously that was a fake flip
Middle School Setting Appropriateness
00:58:10
Speaker
jumps in the air and does a backflip and lands dick and balls first onto an ostrich and just starts writing it there's no world there's no world where that happened and the movie establishes from the beginning He wants to live a crazy life and have these crazy kung fu-y action moments. And he gets to do that. He could not do that. And then and then they establish that that's fake. This is the real world and this is the real world he lives in. That's insane. Even for a child.
00:58:46
Speaker
Even for a child, that's insane, in my opinion. Yeah, obviously it's insane. It's not Narnia where there is an actual magical world. It's not Harry Potter. There is actually magic where you can do these crazy stuff. It's the real world. And they, that and they tell us that in the world of the movie. Yeah. That's insane. It just doesn't matter. Like all of those crazy things that he does are just for fun. Like it's not, they're not trying to make it seem realistic. They are very over exaggerating everything. i What I'm hearing is you're trying to say that this, what we're seeing is the, hold on. Okay. I'm just saying that no it was exactly on purpose. Stop, stop, stop, stop. Hold on. Hold on.
00:59:41
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so
00:59:46
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So... So what I'm saying is... So, before you... I don't think you know what you're saying. No, I do know what I'm saying. oh Before you roll your eyes, I had to get my thoughts kind of in order. So I could relay this as quickly as possible. What you're saying is...
01:00:09
Speaker
get Don't roll your eyes. Oh my god spit it out Star Wars Right you with me still with me? She's already lost see this is why I said don't hold your eyes, okay Star Wars the there's theories speculation ideas that ah so Star Wars is a mythology. It's a mythological tale that we're watching, right? Sure. No, I'm not sure. yeah The answer is yes, because that's yeah that's George Lucas himself saying this is mythology. Some people have the idea that we are hearing these stories. What we're seeing is R2-D2 telling us these stories.
01:00:59
Speaker
Thousands of like years later hence why it says it starts a long time ago in a galaxy far far away is r2d2 He's droid Look forever as long as people take care of him. He has memory banks. They can have that memories up I think you're losing your point. No, I'm not losing my point at all. I'm getting there Okay, this I said I said again. I said, please don't roll your eyes stay with me all right all right not losing my point and Everything that happened in Star Wars is very, he's in every Star Wars major Skywalker saga movie. He's a major part of every single one, right? So the theory is, is like we're, what we're seeing is him, is his retelling of what happened. It's very overdramatized. It's very, it's, it's, it's a space opera. So it's very intense. It's very overdramatic. It's very crazy. Everything that happens, right? And awesome. Okay.
01:02:01
Speaker
What do we have in this movie that is established near the beginning as soon as he gets to school? What's the first thing that happens when him and his friends step on to the premises of the school? They take a picture of him? The school paper. Okay. Takes a picture of him and there's so there's the taking a picture of Max Kiebel. And there's the student reporter writing about fresh meat coming to be bullied and stuff like that. And then throughout the movie, every major plot point, the reporter and the photojournalist are there. Yeah.
01:02:47
Speaker
and he's taking photos and the other kid is writing everything that happens so they are r2d2 they're the r2d2 wait that's what you mean i'm so confused that exactly i was joking no they're the r2d2 of this story he doesn't jump on top of the cars and do a back flip onto an ostrich and rides there that's just what the kid wrote in the newspaper
01:03:13
Speaker
So we're seeing it from his perspective. That's who's telling the story is the, is the kid from the newspaper. Wow. That took you too long to get there. so They're not main characters. They're very, very minimal side characters. So, so, but it makes it even cooler. That was the case. So you're doing my boy. Does that make any sense at all? No, it does make sense. But I just said, that makes sense to you? Sure. No, that's psychotic what I just said. That's psychotic what I just said because this movie takes place in the real world, not in a galaxy far, far away. That's insane.
01:03:49
Speaker
There's no way he would be able to do a backflip off of a fucking back of a truck onto an ostrich unless it was a fucking middle school fucking kid writing the story to make it rad as fuck. Okay, can we pause for a second? What? You just took like 10 minutes to make up a story about Star Wars? I didn't make up a story about Star Wars, I did not make that up. And you tried to connect it to Max Kiebel's big move all to prove that what you're saying is insane no you're just you were trying to prove that the movie was too dramatic i was saying that and yeah the movie is the stunts were too crazy but my whole point is that yeah obviously they're dramatic obviously they're outlandish that's the point
01:04:34
Speaker
Exactly what I'm saying is the only way that that makes sense is if there's a middle school kid writing the story and that's who we're hearing the story from. I mean, there it was written for middle school kids. Basically the same thing. Anyways, let's move on from this because yes, it has dramatic scenes. No, that's insane. They're fun. Yes, they're outlandish. But who cares? You just heard all of that and you went, yeah, cool. That makes sense. My point was that's an insane thing to have to be the reason to that. That's an insane reason for the explanation to be the kid in the newspaper is writing the story and that's what we're seeing. And that's why he's able to do all this crazy bullshit that would not physically be able to happen.
01:05:17
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in a world that we have established is, here's the dream world, here's the real world, but he does the same level of crazy in the real world. Sure. I mean, I was like, yeah, that'd be cool if it was the middle schooler's perspective, but then I was like, but it's not. It's the only way it makes sense is what I'm saying. And so I'm saying like, that's insane if that's the reason. And you're like, no, that's cool. That makes sense. Like, so what what are we doing here? No, I'm saying that, sure. It makes sense that it seems like all those things all those outlandish things could have been written by a middle schooler. Sure. Because they're outlandish. The movie was written for middle schoolers. So they're going to have these crazy stunts. They're going to have these like,
01:05:56
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things that wouldn't happen in real life and like obviously I'm just saying that the whole the whole movie has those things throughout it and it's very aware of that I don't think that whoever made the movie was like oh we're gonna make this look as realistic as possible and make people think he actually could do this no no one thinks that like I don't think that no one thinks that but it establishes it doesn't matter that there's a that all this crazy stuff happens in his dreams and then he lives it out live out your dreams babe move on move on no move on no i will not let this point go we'll move on but agree to disagree that's fine i don't care yes it's outlandish yes fine what else you got what else you got because that's my main thing is like that was your main thing that's yeah like that's it's it's it's insane
01:06:55
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Like it's insane and like I even as a child who watched this movie multiple times like I knew this movie like I was like This is crazy Like this is crazy. Like there's just no way. If your main argument against the movie is that none of the things that they do like pranks and stuff could happen in real life, then that's not a good argument for why it's bad movie because it's obvious that none of those things could happen in real life. Everyone knows that who's watching it. The movie is not trying to tell you, oh, this is what you could do. Like this is
01:07:31
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What's gonna happen in your middle school? It's like a very over-the-top Interpretation like movies are over-the-top Interpretations of real life. Yes, but like there are phys there we're in a world of Genuine actual physics and stuff like this is a movie that takes place in our world sure So some of the stuff he's able to do doesn't make sense, okay but I agree with you. Okay, so like that but it doesn't does't matter. No, that's that shatters The like world of the movie which shatters like which is not good, which is a negative point against the movie Is what i okay? It could be I think it could be a negative point But I don't think that that could be your main point because it's very obvious that that that is the case What's your other points? Why else don't you like it?
01:08:22
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Ooh, he's got nothing to say. I think I just won.
01:08:31
Speaker
Who was your favorite character in the movie? I didn't have one. You didn't have a favorite character? No, they all kind of suck. Really? Yeah, I didn't really Max Kiebel kind of fucking blows dude. He wasn't my favorite character. I liked his friend Megan fashionista Yeah, and I liked her because she was the one who stood by him the whole time and he learned I know who my true friends are And she made the flyers to help save the animal shelter and I mean, I guess I agree with that, that she's like the only one who like... And she said, Max, you just think you want to be cool. Who cares about being cool? We should be ourselves. My favorite character is the science teacher. For sure. Tell us why. She's a fucking babe, dude. Oh my god, dude. You even said, besides her haircut, she's a fucking babe. Yeah, she's hot. Okay, so that's my favorite character.
01:09:25
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i Also loved the janitor he was very not a major major character, but ah Let's give us his little one-liner that he gave that you know changed Max's life again No, I didn't tell that I haven't said this one yet. He said um To max quote quote any kid can make a mess that takes a man to clean it up and quote So amazing There he goes. OK, so he's the best character because he's the moral compass somehow. Like, I don't know. No, Max had already realized that he made a mistake. I guess my whole rant about relating it to R2D2 and Star Wars and everything, it's just like the movie just doesn't make a whole lot of sense kind of across the board.
01:10:12
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Why? I also think this movie, like, well, part of it is is like this movie makes more sense in high school. Like, I don't think a seventh grader would like be this clever. i completely disagree with that wholeheartedly i just like i he just doesn't like the setting of it being like seventh grade and like junior high so like middle school still because like middle school is like till eighth grade i love that this was in a middle school setting and i feel like it doesn't make it makes it feel a lot more unrealistic in my opinion like yeah like kids are clever and smart and do stuff but like like not to this extent but like a high schooler is gonna do some fucked up shit like this you know what i mean like i don't know like even like i'm like okay even like as simple as like wanting to save the animal shelter and actually doing something about it like a seventh grader like it there's feel-good stories in the news where like
01:11:08
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kids that young like actively try to help do something and stuff, but it's one in a million. like I don't know. like they're not like A high schooler is more likely to be active in their community and like actively try to help do something about something like that. You know what I mean? like and don't know and then like again in a high school is more likely to break into their fucking school to like do some bullshit like in stuff we've seen I don't know there's so many high school obviously there's so many high school movies out there like both of us named so many of them on our favorites are better but
01:11:42
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This movie, I do not think that it should have been set in a high school setting because it would not have been like, this is just such a wholesome movie and it's so like cute and it would not have been that if it was high school. Like you said that one scene, you're like, oh, he's drinking a milkshake. This scene should be set when he's at like a high school party and he's like drinking beers while all his friends, whatever. No, they were chugging milkshakes and it was cute as hell and they were like dancing in the diner. yeah okay which is insane because what diner would let children dance on their fucking tables? Jacob, this is not realistic. It doesn't have to be.
01:12:16
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But it's wholesome and it's cute. And it's like, no, we don't need to see another played out high school party movie, whatever. It's 2001. Like when this movie came out. like It's been done. They're doing something different. They're taking it to middle school and it's cute. At the end when he realizes, oh, I think I like my ah my friend, my little well Megan, a little style girl. And it's been her all along. Do they, like, have an intense make-out scene? No. They just hold hands and walk away. How cute. I'm not even saying they need to completely, like, make out. Also, there's no bullies like that in high school. Like, I don't know. It was all very, like, um, like, kid-ish. Like, their problems.
01:13:00
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I mean sure like it was very kid like oh my lunch money like oh he's he's gonna like throw me in the dumpster like high school is not high school kids are way too like they think they're too cool for all that okay but you're like you're like I'm i'm talking something between this and euphoria you know what I mean like euphoria oh my god yeah you can go somewhere in between it would be I think it would be better The euphoria where they're like fucking each other's dads and like doing drugs and like guns are involved and shit you can get somewhere like in between The middle school cuteness of it and like no, let's keep the wholesome the wholesomeness I'm saying we can go somewhere a little middle school It would make a little bit more sense that he would be like fuck the system. I'm gonna Fuck shit up
01:13:48
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Like I can't imagine a seventh grader being like, I can get away with anything because I'm moving. And so I'm just gonna do all this fucked up shit. No, I think that that is exactly why he thought that because he is young and like naive. He's like, oh, I'm leaving anyways. You mean like a junior or like a junior, a fucking freshman in high school? with that freshman with um No, a freshman in high school is so much more likely to do that in my opinion. You put it in a high school setting, you involve alcohol, you involve drugs, all that things. It takes out the wholesome, it takes out the- Okay, whatever. You said you wanted it to be like Euphoria. No, I said I wanted it to be less than Euphoria. I wanted, there's a spectrum of Max Kiebel and Euphoria. I wanted it to be somewhere in like the middle. Left of center, so like closer to Max Kiebel, but like set in high school. Okay, so you get a Mean Girls, you get Sleepover, you get all those movies that we've seen.
01:14:40
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with a different plot, same like things happening. High school stereotypes. They can literally do almost the exact same things like to the principal and stuff. like They drug him. they They drug him. They don't drug him. They put, point they put this smell stuff in his mouth spray. Yeah. So that the animals are attracted to him and that they attack him. Why do you always come on in to the defense of the people who drug people and stuff? Cause we have this exact same conversation and John Tucker must die when they put estrogen in his protein powder and you're like, no, that's funny. That was cool. And stuff like, no, that is you fucking with somebody's body chemistry is not okay. The drama.
Political Commentary and Voting Reminder
01:15:22
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What are we talking about? We're talking about movies. They're supposed to be more dramatic than real life. That's your point, not mine. So now you want to back out on that point now that it's not convenient for you? How Republican of you. Oh God. Wow. Cool. No, I was saying that you were causing drama. No, no, no, I was saying you and I never did anything wrong. Please vote in November, guys. Oh my God. I just want to put that out there. Don't call me a Republican. Yeah, exactly. It's an insult, right? Don't forget. It's an insult. Oh, shut up. So not the point of anything. It is the point of everything. I won't be able to do this podcast.
01:16:07
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if we don't vote in November. um The point is, you did just kind of go back on what you were saying and kind of- No, I didn't. I said that you are being dramatic.
Realism and Entertainment Debate
01:16:20
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No, it was only then. Then what did I say? You said what you said. Okay. Well, I guess we'll have to just hear it back to find out. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. This movie is dramatic. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what movies are. Like, I'm not disagreeing with that in any way.
01:16:42
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Jacob, we spent a whole 20 minutes talking about how you hated this movie because it was too dramatic and unrealistic. No, I said unrealistic in terms of like physics and like what children would actually do. Again, if it was in high school, I would believe it a little bit more, which would make it a better movie if it was more believable and stuff. Because it's set in a world that is our world. Obviously, Star Wars is fucking insane. It is not our world. but it takes place in that world where that's not insane. Ergo, it's lit as fuck and we love it and it's amazing. Right?
01:17:22
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Yeah, sure. Star Wars is great. It's not the point of this debate. I'm saying Max Kiebel's Big Move is a good movie because it's fun. It gives you fun little pranks and stuff. Yes, they are over the top. They are unrealistic to real life. It's a movie. That's what you want. um It gives you a nice wholesome message at the end of it. friendship learning from your mistakes being a better person everything you know those middle schoolers need to hear going through that tough time in their lives you know all the all the good messages with just a little bit of fun added in messing with the teachers a little bit and uh you know taking down the bullies so okay i'm gonna just i think it's a good movie i'm gonna give it 8.5 out of out of 10 yeah
01:18:14
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8.5 out of 10. Yeah, it's 85%. It's a solid B+. plus Wow, okay. What would you give it? Like a four? Like, like i it's a fun watch, sure, but like if we're- You heard it here first.
01:18:38
Speaker
day What? What? You heard it here first. You did? You heard Jacob say that this was a fun movie to watch. You're just like the newspaper kid in the fucking story. Saying whatever you hear and just writing it down and blowing it out of proportion. Which is, again, the only way that this world makes sense is if that's the story we're hearing, is we are watching the reading of the newspaper article. You know what I mean? You get what you you understood what I was saying with that, right? Eventually, 10 minutes after your monologue. I hear mono said stay with me here. Yeah, it was a stretch. And please don't roll your eyes. I rolled them. They're probably stuck in the back of my head right now. As soon as I said please don't roll your eyes, you started rolling them, which is a bad start.
01:19:26
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an involuntary reaction and i said star wars and it went they went further back it's bad once we get this on video like you if you could look and see austin's eyes right now it's just i can't even see her irises or pupils they are still it is just like a zombie ghostly god because she's been just rolled so far back maybe she'll recover we'll never know the world will never know never know uh unless you hang out with us if you want to. Um, but, uh, so I'm, I'm going to go ahead and say, I think this is going to have to come down to the audience.
Audience Decision and Feel-Good Factor Debate
01:20:06
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Cause I'm not, I'm not going to back down on this. I just like, I, it's a fun watch, but I just don't think there's other movies that are even specifically for this age group that make more sense and are better case in point.
01:20:26
Speaker
Allie Catched, right. The drama is just as intense, but it's realistic. They're just bowling. They're just trying to be the better bowlers than the other kids. Luck of the Irish. Well, no, that one's actually, that well, that one is a mystical world though. It's established as a mystical world, so it's fine. you know like I think that you your main ah counterpoint, like argument against this movie is that the things that happen and the pranks that they do are too like over the top and dramatic and non-realistic to like the real world.
01:21:01
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if That since that is your only oh yeah, that was your only counterpoint that and you said you wish it was in high school But that just changes the whole movie again ah Josh pecks character was not a yeah, I agree shit agreed with you on that one like on purpose and like that was disgusting honestly like that's really annoying and um the is Again, the only way it makes any sense is if it's because the principal is such a villain It's like it only makes sense if that's if it's from the perspective of the fucking skit kid right in the paper He is so over dramatically a villain. It's insane
01:21:38
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Yeah, that's the point. They over, they over the top everything. All of the stereotypes, all of the characters, all of the things. It's not like that. Obviously. But kids, kids aren't like that either. It's all, it's all over the top. And it's all dramatic. And that's the kind of the point of the movie and it's what makes it fun. We're taking it. We're taking it to the audience. That's fine. I just needed to remind everyone that you only had one valid counter-argument. And it's not even a good one. I just want to remind everybody that Austin thinks that if it's cute and fun and sweet and it makes her feel good, then it's a good movie even if it doesn't make any fucking sense.
01:22:18
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I mean, so you're saying that movies that you think make you feel good, that's not a valid reason to think it's a good movie, but that's the whole point of these type of movies. It's a feel good movie. The nice wholesome message and some fun pranks along the way.
Instagram Promotion and Voting Importance
01:22:36
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01:23:00
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01:23:44
Speaker
Well, if this is the biggest argument we ever have as a married couple, I'll take it. and That's pretty good. That's pretty good. um it's It won't be. It's fine. That's not how life works. Because life is dramatic. Just like this movie, right? The drama. Are you referring to being in the movie? I'll let you figure that out. All right, let's vote on it. um yeah Do all that. Any shouts outs you want to do? ah I would know, but I don't think you have any. I'm doing this thing where I'm like, like the hot ones thing where it's like, ah oh, anything you want to plug or anything? when I've been doing that recently. I got no plugs. I got nothing going on this month. Actually, that's not true. But most of my life will be spent at the school because
01:24:33
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Students start back next week. So so I'm gonna say for Austin go vote in November so that project 2025 doesn't happen and she can continue to have a fucking job because project 2025 is wants to Eliminate the education department of this country. So that's Austin shout out Wow, great important shout out go vote so we can avoid you not losing your job the drama I do agree that everyone should vote. I'm not not knocking that. Bye everyone. okay See ya in September. Wanna have a life again? Bye.