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TV Series: Severance with Kyle Lane Pt. 1
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Breaking News: Bad Movie Debate Phenomenon
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Introduction by Jacob Badd
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Speaker
What up nerds? It's me, Jacob Badd for Bad Movie Debate here to do a TV series specific episode. So, you know, I got my boy Kyle Lane in this bid. Say what up, Kyle. up, people? How's it going?
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Speaker
well It's, I'm, uh... Very stressed because of Severance. and That's what
Stress and Routine: Impact of 'Severance'
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Speaker
we're going to talk about. We're here to talk about the the first five episodes um of Severance. um it's like It's kind of like fantasy football. It's the most stressful, relaxing thing I can do week to week.
00:00:52
Speaker
And so it's nice to have that now that fantasy football is over. I can be stressed about this every Thursday night. You know what I mean? And you know, every single one of our shows so far has kind of been in that same realm. Beef, True Detective. It's just...
Comparisons to Other Stressful Shows
00:01:05
Speaker
insanely stressful like yeah happily uncomfortable yeah i think this one's gonna be uh better than uh that true detective season though oh 100 i really hope so i don't think we're gonna fumble the bag like i'm sorry for even bringing that up that was uh yes so i'll just forget about that there's only wait what are you talking about there's only one season of true detective right with matthew mcconaughey and woody harrelson it's the only one that's ever been made the maherjali one's fine but it's fine whatever wait okay
00:01:37
Speaker
okay okay so severance severance severance uh i think first and foremost uh as we were spitballing like kind of what we were going to talk about i think first foremost because again we're we're doing like the first half of the season ah like mid-season finale episode season finale episode because it's mostly a movie show um cold harbor What the fuck?
00:01:59
Speaker
What is going on?
In-Depth 'Severance' Analysis
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Speaker
That first episode, any only, which was great. Lying about how long it's been since the overtime contingency, yada, yada, yada.
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The very end, Gemma. That's her on the screen with whatever the fuck was going on, all that medical looking stuff. And then the four temperaments to the side. And like, what do you think? Because they're also like,
00:02:22
Speaker
oh, this is the Cold Harbor. He's so close. Like, i think this last episode, they've been like, he's like 80% of the way done. Like, he has to finish it. Yeah. Like, what what what do you think? What do you think? It clearly, to me, seems like the focal point of the entire show, whatever it is.
00:02:40
Speaker
Whatever that may be, yeah. And, you know, I have no clue. I mean, clearly what they're doing, they want you to think it's about water. um Yeah, everything's water related. Like all the big projects are like water related in some way.
00:02:53
Speaker
No idea why. Yeah. um And the other thing that confuses me is they really make it seem like Cold Harbor is like the key to everything.
Cold Harbor's Significance
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But to me, I'm like, okay, then what's the point of all the other rooms and everything? Yeah, I don't know. Because it's like, if MDR is the most important thing, and Cold Harbor specifically is the most important thing, then why are there three other people working on stuff that are like different files? And like even like in this season, we've seen like Mark like on his computer, like he files through...
00:03:29
Speaker
things to work on and he has to like go and pick cold Harbor. So like, and like, you know, they're always about like, Oh, you got to get your quarterly numbers in and everything. But like, I don't know. it's just It's weird because it's like, why is that one the most important one? And why aren't they like, okay, Mark, you working on Cold Harbor.
00:03:47
Speaker
The rest of you work. i Obviously, like yeah I guess they have to like kind of hide the fact that that's the most important one. But like they hit their numbers in season one. you know Like Helly does it and they like freak out. Like, yes, we made our quarterly numbers and stuff.
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Speaker
But like there's other files he could be working on, but they're not telling him like, hey, you should work on that one. Yeah. Like you should finish that one as soon as possible. Well, and to me, it kind of feels like maybe everything else is to set up a good working environment for him.
00:04:16
Speaker
Because like they've talked about like the whole reason why they brought back everyone back, which I guess that's kind of moving on to episode two. No, that's episode one. Oh, it is? Okay. Yeah, because that's when the three random people are there, like the international dude and then ah um what's her name? Maybe. Maybe, yeah, maybe, then the older dude and stuff, and like which I thought was hilarious, that whole thing. But ah yeah, he demands everybody back.
00:04:42
Speaker
That's episode one, yeah. So maybe it's just setting up an environment to where Mark feels like the most comfortable. um And I mean, that's the only thing I could think of, but it's also like, why is Mark the only one who can work on it and everything like that?
00:04:57
Speaker
It could have something to do with um his wife maybe, but yeah. definitely It's
Historical Context and Theories
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Speaker
interesting. I did, um i did Google cold Harbor and the only other thing I could find was that,
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Speaker
Cold Harbor was also, it literally says Cold Harbor refers to both a Civil War battle and a location in the TV show Severance. So. Okay. Interesting. Okay. That is interesting. Cause if we're going to cut back to, um or if we're going to cut forward to the fourth episode, um when Irving is having his dream, when he sees the, like the nanny or whatever, creepy woman, that creepy, like creepy woman. Yeah.
00:05:40
Speaker
while i was like okay so we're we're getting real intense real quick yeah um but uh like his computer the file he's working on is uh montauk which is like a whole conspiracy like being tested like people like like the government doing tests on people kind of thing because the montauk experiment ah that conspiracy is what kind of inspired Stranger Things. When they first pitched it, it was called like the Montauk Experiment.
00:06:09
Speaker
And there was this stuff where like there was like the upside down. like All of those elements were there, but it was inspired heavily by that. so it's like So Cold Harbor, you said it was a civil war of some kind? Yeah, it seems like it was a um one of the more um significant battles occurring in the Civil War.
00:06:33
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Okay. So, yeah. So that's like two like government related things that you can tie to because like I don't know what any of the other projects that anybody's working on is called. But like, yeah, that's super interesting.
00:06:46
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But I do think I do think his is I don't know. It's weird because it's like. They're all doing the same thing seemingly to the end goal, but his is the most important. But Gemma is obviously directly related to the Cold Harbor thing.
00:07:04
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Right. So somehow that's super significant. I i don't know. i wish I had better answers, but I don't.
Fan Theories and Consciousness
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Same. Yeah. It's about what that is.
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Speaker
It's definitely mystery. And there's definitely theories that we'll we'll get into, I'm sure. for sure. Yeah. I just don't, ah especially reading the Reddit, there's a lot of crazy theories out there. Some theories that I'm like, that's kind of too much.
00:07:29
Speaker
hit me with one of those i'm curious because i've read a few for sure but the crazier they are the sooner i dip because i'm like it can't be a that kind of wild so what do what do you think is i the cloning thing i'm kind of like that's not too crazy yeah like um oh there's any crazier than that i just saw one recently i never comment or anything on reddit this one i did comment on because i'm like this doesn't make sense to me um But he was basically saying that they think that they're um using the goats to store the human consciousness.
00:08:06
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And this guy was basically saying that when Gemma was dying, they extracted her consciousness, put it into a goat, and then somehow made an any out of that goat, which my point.
00:08:21
Speaker
My point in the comment was, you know, everything in the show, like the whole so idea of severance is relatively like, ah you you could see that happening. it's It's definitely fantasy, but it's not like, it's not all the way out there fantasy,
'Severance' Compared to Other Media
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Speaker
if that makes sense. So it's pretty, pretty near future kind of thing. yeah And to me, the idea of like extracting a consciousness, putting it into a goat and then,
00:08:52
Speaker
Somehow making that goat into an inny just seems kind of pushing the fold of like yeah the realism they try to do in the show. Like, so why? Yeah, with that, because it's like, so if you can take a consciousness and put it somewhere else, like, I guess, like, what that person is thinking is like, you take a consciousness, you upload it.
00:09:12
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And like, usually what we've ever seen is like, yeah, you upload it into like a computer program, right? Like, right. And stuff like maybe in this world, the world of severance, you can't up, you have to upload it into something organic. Right.
00:09:24
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So it's like, so goat and goats make sense because that's the first thing that was ever successfully cloned. i think it's like Dolly the goat or something in like the 90s or somewhere somewhere around there.
00:09:35
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And so it's like, yes, like obviously goat makes the most sense. So it's like, yeah, you can transfer a consciousness, but it has to be to another um another ah organic thing like with the actual brain instead of like a computer right then you could and then you clone you take her dna you clone her but how do you do with that that's where it gets weird because with with the cloning of dolly it was like this is dolly but now she's a baby again and
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yeah She has to grow up. And it's like, so there's the like five-year-old Dolly. I don't know what the lifespan of fucking goats are, but there's like the five-year-old old Dolly. And now there's a new baby that's like only like five months old, but they are literally a hundred percent of the exact same DNA.
00:10:20
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so yeah So how do you fast track that to be like, okay, and now this is a Gemma or a miss Casey, who is the like onsite therapist or whatever counselor.
00:10:33
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and stuff. well and that was Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. that That is a lot. That's a lot. It's pushing it. You got to add a lot more fantasy sci-fi aspects that I feel like they don't really...
Religious Symbolism in 'Severance'
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do i mean it is pretty fantastical to split your brain but oh of course yeah i mean this is hard sci-fi there's no doubt about it but i would say it's it's more near it's very this whole thing is like very black mirror you know like it's very very akin to black mirror like a really extended black mirror kind of a thing it's also very twin speak twin peaks like vibes definitely stuff too i would say so like so obviously there's some there's just weird shit going on and like I don't know. If you know Twin Peaks, you know exactly what I mean. I know you've seen Twin Peaks. so You know exactly what I mean. like it's It's very obvious. like Yeah, these are connected in that kind of way.
00:11:25
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um Yeah, I don't know about that, man. I don't know if they're uploading consciousness into little baby goats and then extracting them again to put them into a immediately perfect replica clown. like Yeah, because that's my whole thing. To have...
00:11:40
Speaker
I think the root of his theory was that um they talked about a lot throughout the season, especially around Irving's funeral. They talk about um he's not dead. He's just not here.
00:11:55
Speaker
yeah So this guy was kind of theorizing that your Audi could die, but your Innie could stay alive, which to me
Foreshadowing and Character Revelations
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doesn't make any sense. I mean, i mean i get where he's coming from. i think it's a lot still, but I like yeah kind of understand that logic, if that makes sense. Because to me, I'm like, an Innie has to have Outie body to die.
00:12:16
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be a person i guess so but i mean again like if you like you are taking a consciousness and making it into two so why couldn't you put that consciousness somewhere else i would think you'd be into a clone right and then like so i think like one of my big things is i think the ultimate end goal of everything is like making a perfect because everything's about the four temperaments the four temperaments whoa and everything else I can't remember exactly what they are um but everything's about the four temperaments and like when you look at what they're working on you can see across the screen there's four blocks that they put everything and that's like
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the the woe and this and that and this and stuff. So like they're categorizing those things and like they're finding the scary numbers. Right. And so like you're supposed to tame the four temperaments.
00:13:13
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So you're taming this. They're scary because you need to tame them. So you put them into the respective box that they go like this is a woe thing. This is a whatever. This is whatever. And you put them in there.
00:13:24
Speaker
And then i think the end goal is there is a cloning aspect to it. I feel like the goats, there's just no way there's not some kind of a cloning thing. I feel like it's just so like it has to be, I would love to be shocked that it was something else, but i feel like it just has to be clone related, but it's like you take that person that, uh, like, so you take Gemma, you tame her for temperaments and then you release. And then like the Audi or the any is like now can be in the world. And now you have like a cure devoted, perfectly tempered person.
Character Motives and Future Predictions
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And it's like a, like ah not like a mind control kind of a thing, but just like a like, honestly, like a super religious thing. It's like the, you, so you can send somebody out in the world who's completely indoctrinated and has their fort into the cure mindset and stuff. And so you have a world full of devout cure people by taming people,
00:14:19
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the four temperaments through stuff like cold Harbor and stuff like that. And like, that's what they're working on. And then all the other departments are working on the cloning or like the PR and stuff. And like, well, and that was, this is, we're doing good stuff. We're doing good stuff. This is going to help the world in their eye, you know? Yeah. So, and that's kind of one of my loose theories is it's sort of on that same realm of being like, um,
00:14:45
Speaker
almost like what's it called eugenics i think it's called so it's sort of sort of around that realm to where they're trying to make like that perfect society but um yeah exactly because the key the whole cure thing is so religious it is yeah so religious like obviously there's a lot to say the show says a lot about like kind of like capitalism and like uh like the labor force and like there's a lot of stuff that obviously be said about that but there is so much religious things like kind of happening and stuff and like i mean we we were both raised catholic so right now like i was re-watching the first season i was like man ah maybe i wasn't paying attention or i was ignoring it uh but there's a lot of like
00:15:29
Speaker
religious stuff going on in here that I'm remembering from 12 years of Catholic school. Like in the vibe I'm getting, I'm like, this is so religious indoctrination kind of vibes and stuff. well And there was even the, department the whole thing in season one right before they do the, um, I can't remember what the contingency is called, but, um, the overtime contingency.
00:15:53
Speaker
Yeah. The overtime contingency right before that, when, um, Forgetting his name, but he has his little waffle party inside of Keir's house or whatever.
00:16:04
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There's like – feel like I recall a scene to where he has like a whip or something almost like the – Yeah, like a – The religious – Self-flagellation of thing. Yeah, yeah.
00:16:16
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So there's definitely some – a lot of religious connotations all throughout, feel like. Yeah, and what really tripped it for me going back and rewatching to get prepared for this new season was Irving, just how intensely he quotes the handbook.
00:16:33
Speaker
Yeah. The like four different subsections of hand – like the full volume – four different volumes of the full work of that is the handbook. it's when he quotes it, there's stuff that's as simple as like, he gets mad at Mark because Mark replaces the photos early and he's supposed to wait until they get the new photo of Heli and then replace the old ones with PD instead of taking them off immediately.
00:16:56
Speaker
and then having no pictures of the entire MDR but like crew. And he like, and he prints it out and he's like, see, it says right there. and But then later in another time, Irving quotes it and it's like,
00:17:09
Speaker
deep philosophical like parable type sayings that kia has woven in there so it's yeah like so this is how you work in the office this is how we run things but then also like here's like the good samaritan ah like parable here's the castle built on there the house built on sand parable and like stuff like stuff like
Themes of Control and Indoctrination
00:17:31
Speaker
like that is woven in there um and i started was like that's pretty religious but then irving near know the end of it when he they're having the party some kind of not the defiant jazz party which is incredible oh yeah but um it's just so good um but uh he irving takes something like a cupcake or like some kind of food and he takes one of the books out because they have it sitting there and he like smashes it into it and puts it back and it's like okay and i took that i was like he's losing his religion he's losing his faith in cure and that's because like around that time that's when he's like
00:18:09
Speaker
He's like, let's fucking blow this place up. Let's fucking do this shit and everything. And I'm like, and like, I just, for some reason I didn't get that the first time, but like this time it was just seemed so much more obvious. So there's some like religious kind of thing going on with like what Kier is trying to do um for sure.
00:18:28
Speaker
And i think that, there's something really interesting gonna cut straight to woes hollow the fourth episode oh yeah um because so obviously it was obvious to you that that was helena the entire time right yeah which to me real quick yeah it's so i honestly want to say that i didn't notice it until i looked at reddit but once i saw it i was like yeah yeah yeah i
00:19:00
Speaker
The first episode didn't it didn't really trip for me at first. i i'm I'm kind of the same way. But like after I saw some people being like, one, they were like a night gardener.
00:19:11
Speaker
yeah What the fuck is a night gardener? like It cracks me up. There are so many people posting on the subreddit saying, i'm a night gardener. I've seen so much shit on Reddit and TikTok being like, wow, this is really fucked up, guys. I'm a night gardener. yeah like There's outside... like horribly chopping down like a plant that's not dying and shit like it's they people are killing it um as they always do um sometimes social media can be fun it's bad for us but it can be fun um yeah but uh but someone the like more like intelligent thing was the someone was like she says that she was just sitting in a boring apartment not doing any like and anything it's like to in any
00:19:56
Speaker
everything about that apartment would have been absolutely fascinating yeah like anything they could have learned about themselves would have been fascinating and like yeah you could and like it's like yeah you
Helena's Influence and Identity
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could take it as like she's lying because she found out that she's actually an egan and like that really fucking blows which is where my my mind went yeah was like she's just a ashamed of that Yeah, like she's ashamed of that. But then I was like, I don't know. Like people were saying some other stuff. like Like in that episode, like after that scene, excuse me, in the first episode, she's talking to Mark and she says like, no, me and my Audi are two completely different people.
00:20:36
Speaker
We're not the same in any way. She's like really hard on like they are different and stuff. um But going back to Woe's Hollow, out just, oh my God, the Irving just,
00:20:48
Speaker
Every single person in that episode deserves an Emmy nomination. Yeah. they That was the best episode of the entire show um in the best way possible. But the main thing, the reason I wanted to talk about like, when did you kind of like be like, okay, that's probably definitely not Helly, but Helena.
00:21:08
Speaker
um The tent scene when they smush. Oh yeah. That's kind of going to the religious thing. Like, like a second coming of Kier.
00:21:19
Speaker
Yeah. Is that what they're trying to do? Because in the, in the intro sequence, there's the little baby Kier that walks across. Oh yeah. Again, like I'm not the first to say this. Like I've heard other people talk about, I've seen other people like kind of talk about, but I'm like, when that happened, i was like, yo, no, that's crazy. People have been talking about this, but like that crazy.
00:21:38
Speaker
hella intentional well and because in that episode we get the confirmation that that was definitely helena the entire time yeah which i got the confirmation when she said that thing to irv about um like just that i think he even said that really cruel remark it's like that's just not Oh, yeah. Like ah yeah what you said last night was cruel.
00:22:02
Speaker
Hell, he was never cruel. Yeah. Broke my heart. But then also in that scene, which I didn't notice, um ah I saw someone say when he first comes up, like before he starts like dunking her.
00:22:13
Speaker
um and stuff uh he says um he comes up and he says hey kids and she doesn't say anything expecting her to say what's for dinner because like that's his whole thing it's like it's like okay so he's like so she has no idea what i'm talking about there's no fuck he's like there's no fucking way that's her um That whole scene was so good.
00:22:36
Speaker
It was so good, which was foreshadowed in the claymation narrated by Keanu Reeves again, which is crazy. Right. Like insane. and um When they're bobbing for pineapples.
00:22:47
Speaker
it shows It specifically shows ah the claymation Heli like dipping down and like we get that same shot when it's actually happening and stuff, ah which I thought was beautiful and such a good foreshadowing kind of a thing.
00:23:04
Speaker
You know, that goes back to um one of the things I had a big question about was um how when Heli gets back it gets her body back. I guess you could say when the any gets back to being an any, she says something to Mark ah about, um, they know everything we're doing.
00:23:25
Speaker
Everything we've done has been like planned out and known. So that's another one of those cases to where it kind of feels like maybe they plan to get Irving out.
00:23:37
Speaker
um Maybe. don't know why, though, because they they did. I mean, the bobbing for the pineapple thing like that's. Yeah. Directly what happened. Yeah, that's literally like it's literally like the shot is almost identical.
00:23:51
Speaker
You know, yeah, and like as if like, like probably what they did was they shot the Woes Hollow scene. And then when they were going to make the claymation, they were like referencing that shot. They were like, OK, that's the final shot for that one.
00:24:03
Speaker
Right. Let's end like, OK, now make it again. But in claymation, basically. um But I don't know. um Here's the craziest thing about.
Irving's Secretive Plans
00:24:12
Speaker
So I think.
00:24:14
Speaker
We got to talk about Irving um a little bit. So that was not the face of a man who was about to die. That little smirk. No. When he's like when he's like fucking and when when milkshakes like kill this fucking dude.
00:24:30
Speaker
Like he's done for after what he just did. That's the smirk of a man who has a plan and this is a part of it. Well, and you want to know my theory? Yes, I really... I don't have any idea what is going on with Irving.
00:24:44
Speaker
I know was former military, maybe part Montauk experiment. Maybe he was involved with that. Maybe he was... Could be. But he... I feel like he got that job so he could infiltrate and he could do his thing.
00:24:56
Speaker
Maybe he's reintegrated. I don't know. But he has a fucking plan. Yeah. So my theory is that he is reintegrating and has been since season one. And the reason why i say that is you start to see, at least in my eyes, especially in this last episode, how kind of cold um Mark is.
00:25:20
Speaker
And some people are thinking that's part of the reintegration, him becoming one with his any kind of starting to form. Yeah, because Mark's any and outier kind of like the outie Mark's kind of cold.
00:25:34
Speaker
Any Mark's very pleasant. Yeah. Right. i' saying yeah And I think that season one, when Irving starts to have his um falling asleep or like his little visions of the painting. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's the reintegration starting to take place, which is also why he goes from being that devoted cure follower to slowly being like the biggest rebel in the office and being like, this is complete bullshit in every single way. Yeah. No, that totally makes sense because like,
00:26:09
Speaker
I saw somebody or maybe I heard it on that podcast I was telling you about. Seferin Speaks. It's Ben Stiller's favorite podcast. Go listen to it. They're really good. um it's very they're They do a really good job um over there. And they do week to week. where do We're only doing two episodes. They're doing it week to week. So definitely check them out. I highly recommend.
00:26:32
Speaker
um First of all. Second of all, I think maybe they were the ones that said it. But like he the innies go to sleep. when they're on the orc boat yeah and like maybe that is part of like like the last key to the reintegration because when he wakes up the next day he is dead set on like i am shutting this hell and a bitch down so hard right like and he's just like and like so and like and like it's like oh but the what's for dinner thing it's like yeah because he is he's perfectly blended pd never got to
00:27:06
Speaker
go to sleep as his any you know what mean like he never got to do that so he just died like lost lost slowly but surely lost his mind and then just died but Irving got to actually go to sleep while he had started the process ah he had been doing it for a while obviously Mark has done one session because in the last episode he's like he's trying to get um um what's her name um I'm trying to think in the Severance Peaks thing, they have a better call us all. It's it's ah her name's us all. Cause they were like, Oh yeah. Call us all. Like they have like a whole bit, ah which is very funny. But um yeah, that's all like, he's like, when can we do another one? When we can, can we do another one and stuff? So I think he's only done one and everything probably has done like a few.
00:27:54
Speaker
Cause he's always making those weird fucking phone calls and stuff. Yeah. and like keeping people updated on like what's going on and like what he's feeling and like and stuff so well and that's the other thing and irving on the outside was clearly invested in yeah going back to season one investigating um and i'm like if pd got with um got with the girl that reintegrate and she found mark she definitely would have found um Irving on the outside. He's that into investigating it. So my thing is like, yeah, either they met organically through um and just trying to find like, like, you know, maybe Irving had some kind of vendetta against the whole thing because it was too close to home being a part like being subjugated to the Montauk thing.
00:28:47
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or everything again, if that holds any weight, let's just say it does. Um, and like, maybe like they just like came up, they were like running in the same anti severance, anti lumen circles and they met or PD can't like an assault met. And then PD was like, Oh yeah.
00:29:04
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Mark, And Irving, like he said, like, oh, these are the three people that I know and stuff. And like, she went out to them and then like they started and he was like, oh yeah, i fucking hate that shit. Let's burn it down.
00:29:16
Speaker
Like,
Narrative Twists and Character Alignments
00:29:17
Speaker
and stuff like that. You know what i mean? Yeah. Like, so either way, I feel like there's just no way that they're not related in their goals. And they've definitely been together working on this.
00:29:29
Speaker
Yeah. Even if he's not in integrate reintegrated, um I think he's definitely a part of the anti-Lumen anti-Severance movement.
00:29:39
Speaker
Yeah. He's definitely going to the concerts in the alley. Yeah. That shit was dope, dude. That shit was dope as hell. I love that. that awesome was pretty sick yeah i was pretty sick um ah but yeah just that that fourth that episode four man just like i'm looking at it's up on imdb 9.1 9.1 out of 10 like yeah well and my favorite part of that absolutely is um here it is the biggest waterfall on planet earth that shit was so funny dude also milkshake his all-white fit ah he was just serving that fit dude it was ridiculous dude he popped up and i was like damn look at this man dude i like i saw so many thirst trap tiktoks
00:30:36
Speaker
after that episode and I'm like okay I'm looking for like theories and talk and stuff and it was just like thirst trap just like look how amazing he looks and it was like yeah he absolutely is serving in this um which is yeah but here it is the tallest waterfall on the planet just had me dying which i speaking of him um I just before I got on here I saw what he looks like in real life and um apparently a lot of times he does not have a mustache which is crazy.
00:31:07
Speaker
it's It's scary looking. It's just not it's not right. He needs that mustache. Yeah, right? I could totally see that. like His mustache, it's so perfect, too. I mean, don't get me wrong. We're both rocking pretty decent stashes right now. But he's got the the thickness. He's got, yeah.
00:31:23
Speaker
It's combed. It's just nice. It's just perfect. Okay, yeah, because, ah I mean, Milchak doesn't do anything half-assed, you know? like He is crisp. Every single... Once he stopped wearing his little short sleeve,
00:31:35
Speaker
and tie kind of vibe now that he's like in charge of the severed floor and stuff he's been serving with all of his outfits to yeah be honest he's looked he went from like spongebob to like james bond exactly like over like and in just a few days not five months just a few days yeah easily um which is amazing um so i do actually want to talk about ah Milchak I'm gonna say Milchak instead of Milkshake because this is kind of this is a little more intense of a thing so those re-canonizing paintings we all know how fucked that is right yeah like that's so fucked it is a question does he feel weird about it for the reasons why we think he should feel weird about it or is there another reason
00:32:26
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I think he does. And here's why last episode. So he gets those, I think it's episode three that he gets those. And Natalie um is the one giving them to him.
00:32:38
Speaker
And if you look, they give each other, like they kind of have like a look. Cause like, they're not severed. Like they're, they are the same person in and out of work. And they kind of like, there's a little bit of a, like, Oh, okay. This is kind of like, she's like, yeah, I got them too.
00:32:55
Speaker
Well, and he asked her to do kind of being like, how did you feel? he asked it in like a super creepy way. In the newest episode, he's like in the most like corporate speak, he asked how she felt about it.
00:33:08
Speaker
There's little bit of a pause. You know, there's a little bit of a pause. yeah And I think that is
Internal Conflicts and Allegiances
00:33:14
Speaker
very significant because then that's right before he goes into his ah performance review.
00:33:20
Speaker
Um, And he gets a he gets points off for his the his fucking paperclip usage. He doesn't use it. He puts it backwards twice. Oh, big fucking whoop.
00:33:32
Speaker
Jesus, Lumen's insane for many reasons, but that that really drove me crazy. i was like, are you kidding me? Yeah. But... um The way the guy who, which I don't think we've gotten his name, um the like the bigger dude who's like conducting his thing, is clearly like higher up because like him and ah Helena and Natalie have all had meetings ah that we've seen.
00:33:56
Speaker
So he's important in some way. um He says to Milchak... Like, cause he's like, oh, like you wanted to make the office nicer. And like, you wanted to like, kind of give into their demands a little bit and stuff like that. Like, it's kind of like a like there's a thing with, there's an argument to be had of like, that's kind of like anti-union busting kind of mentality. Yeah.
00:34:24
Speaker
Yeah. tough Because, but I think it's a double edged sword. It's like a two. What's, what's, what's the phrase? It's there's two prongs. There's two prongs. That's it. One, he says, they got, that guy says, you got to remember like something along lines of like, you got to remember who they are, like what these people are and stuff like And so like on the one hand, it's like their workforce, their labor. We don't need to treat them like people like, like in stuff like that. They're, they do what we tell them to do and they do it with a smile on their face and that's it and stuff. But then also there's the other side. We just have that conversation Milchak and Natalie asking, he's like, did you feel weird about that? Because that felt kind of weird. Right.
00:35:09
Speaker
But it's also like he's dehumanizing right? And he's saying that to a black man. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they just had that conversation right before they walked in and you can tell he's very kind of like, Hmm.
00:35:24
Speaker
Hmm. Yeah. Uh, and then like, then like it cuts to him and he's looking over his thing and he's just pissed. Like he's just pissed about the entire conversation. And I think that is,
00:35:35
Speaker
I think that is ah thing, you know, like, like I don't think he'd love, he clearly did not love the paintings yeah and thought it was very demeaning and like tried to reach out to Natalie about it in the best way he could.
00:35:50
Speaker
um which I have a reason why he didn't just straight up say, Hey, this is super fucked up. Right. He has a, he has specific reason why he didn't just present it to her like that, um which I feel like he totally would have to somebody else.
00:36:03
Speaker
um But then that guy being like, you got to remember like what these people are and stuff. I feel like he took that on, like, like you get, like he took that personally. And then also it could be like a general, like this is like anti labor, like union busting kind of a thing.
00:36:20
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. That's how, that's what I took. I took those two things from that entire scene. Yeah. No, I can totally see that. was holy shit, there's a lot going on right now. Right. I mean, he definitely felt weird from the moment he got it, and it's clearly been lingering on him since there was multiple episodes in between.
00:36:37
Speaker
um yeah i saw some people describing Natalie's face as – the get out eyes yes like smiling but like crying sort of yes exactly dude exactly she's not cool with it either by any means like yeah as like the only two black people that are like deeply invested in well except for the um the woman that irving goes to see which we do need to talk about that scene um right the export hall thing and stuff in episode three i think we were saying um but like they're like two upper management
00:37:12
Speaker
the only two upper management black yeah people that we've seen and stuff. And like, there, there is no any or outie for them. They're just who they are full time yeah and stuff. So like, they know what the world is like and stuff. And obviously this takes place in America, a different version of America and stuff, but like, can't erase the past, no matter how hard people try in our, in real life, how hard people try that should happen. And that's
Company Secrets and Hierarchical Structures
00:37:34
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real. And there's things that happen.
00:37:35
Speaker
And like, still going on because of that and so i feel like it's insane to like not think that that's a thing yeah well and it is worth noting too that natalie's job is pretty dehumanizing as well because i mean she's essentially a mouthpiece for people that don't want to meet like the upper management basically uh like she doesn't really have an input on anything or anything like that why My theory, she's the she's not just the face of the board.
00:38:10
Speaker
She's got the entire board inside of her fucking head. She has a chip in her that's not a severed a severed one. It has all of the consciousness. Let's go back to that guy with the goats. and I think they can do stuff with consciousness.
00:38:25
Speaker
um It's all the past ah CEOs that are all inside of her head. And so when she goes, hold on. It's them talking, not on the phone. That that earpiece is a fucking red herring, bro.
00:38:39
Speaker
And she is just like, and my biggest reason why... is one that I just said where he asked her how she felt in a very corporate manner ah at work and stuff instead of being like because he was like I'm already here talking to her if he really wanted to ask her he could have been like hey we should go get drinks and like hang out and stuff and he could have asked her in a public setting away from work without her earpiece in and been like, Hey, that was super fucking weird. Right? Like I felt weird.
00:39:11
Speaker
You seem to have felt weird. We should talk about that. And like that whole thing. Right. He says it's super corporate. She's got her earpiece in. She's always connected to the board. But the biggest thing is that scene with co-bell at the end of season or episode three, where, um, she's talking to Helena and co-bell is like, I want to speak to the board.
00:39:34
Speaker
Right. directly and helena goes okay let's see if we can make that happen and she calls natalie and says hey can we meet with the board right now why would helena the daughter of the ceo next in line to be the ceo have to call natalie who is clearly some kind of pawn in some shape Why would she have to call her to be like, can we meet with the board?
00:40:04
Speaker
Which I am you know what i mean so beyond in on this theory because the other thing I was thinking of related to Helena is all of these upper boards, no one can ever meet in person.
00:40:22
Speaker
Yet Helena, the daughter, soon to be like owner of the entire company, meets them in person. Like that makes no sense at all. So I'm, I'm totally in on that. Yeah. Again, I don't know if that was, I i want to say that was an original thought, but maybe some other people, i think I saw like something on Reddit or a Tik TOK where somebody was like, why does Selena have to call?
00:40:50
Speaker
the Natalie to talk to the board and stuff. And like, again, maybe maybe there was, it was in the comments, but I saw that and a meet I might just brain jump to it. So I i don't, I don't want to claim that as an original thought.
00:41:01
Speaker
um I'm sure other people have thought that too, but I'm full in on that theory because of that. I'm like, that's in insane. Like, why would she have to? I also think it's interesting when um going back to like the consciousness thing, um,
00:41:17
Speaker
her father calls Helena a fetid Moppet, which I had seen. ah do remember that. When he goes back into the thing, he calls her in like the, uh, overtime contingency ends.
00:41:33
Speaker
I think it's in the, it's in the second episode. Uh, when we're doing, it we see the Audi, uh, falling out of the overtime contingency. And, um, He walks into the bathroom and she's kind of like freshening up after ah whoever, I think it's Milkshake. He tackles her off the stage because she's like, I'm in any.
00:41:55
Speaker
Everything sucks. We fucking hate it there. They're torturing us. blow And stuff. He comes in and he walks in. He looks her in the eyes and he calls her. He just says fetid Moppet, which I saw people talking about. That is a.
00:42:08
Speaker
1800s like way to call somebody a like like an insolent child like it's like like you're just you're just a brat basically but like that's such an old school term yeah it's like a late eighteen hundred s term so it's like does he like, I feel like they, like he's got some shit going on too in that way. You know, like there's like, like, does he just talk like that? Because that's such a key thing to say. and like, he's obviously super devout and to cure as an Egan and in charge and stuff. Or is there like some kind of like, ah there's ah like this, like he's a part of the, he has the board in his head at all times too.
00:42:49
Speaker
Right. If you want to speak to the board, you have to have, somebody else who's not him. Like he can't just be there for, to like be the face of the board at every second. So it's like, okay, so, but na that's why Natalie's there.
00:43:03
Speaker
Right. your job is to have this chip that gives you access to the collective consciousness. That is all of the consciousness of the board of the former CEOs of Egan's that, and you can relay what they say. Right.
00:43:18
Speaker
Right. Basically. It's almost like the only the movie ah split where he has all personalities, the different personalities and stuff. Yeah, exactly.
00:43:29
Speaker
But because the we hear the board speak once and they say one word. yeah It's when they go to fire Cobell in season one and the little speaker says, it says like, it says yes, but it's very staticky and very weird the way it's said and the way it comes out.
00:43:57
Speaker
And so it's like, so like, yeah. So, okay. There is a way that they can like, I don't know. It's like, I don't want to say it sounds like, like maybe if you go back and listen to it, it sounds like a lot of people talking at once static kind of a thing.
00:44:11
Speaker
But like literally every single time it's like the board, because she's like, cause go bells. Like I want to hear the board say that I'm fired. and When Natalie is like, you're fired. The board says, so she's like, I want to hear them say it. And like, it takes a second for,
00:44:25
Speaker
the yes to come out and it's super staticky and there's some kind of like weird thing going on. So yeah I'm full in on that. Like thing. Like I think Natalie is the like human representation of the board and that's what her fucking job is.
00:44:43
Speaker
So hence Milchak couldn't directly be like, Hey, these paintings were kind of fucked up and weird. Right. Like, ah like he had to be like and she had to like do the like get out like eyes thing and stuff and be like no they're fine twitch twitch twitch toer toer ti like and stuff like that like i don't know it's just this season so far again we're only halfway through we're only halfway through this fucking season and this season is
00:45:15
Speaker
already just so there's so much to talk about yeah you know like there's just so many things that are like like we literally have we haven't even talked about okay let's x-ray on that we've talked about that we've made our points what is going on with the goat room with Brienne of Tarth right the entire thing they all drew the weird The vibe I got from that room was like – they all seemed incredibly – I don't even know what the
Symbolism and Mysterious Elements
00:45:54
Speaker
word is. Like they gave me the vibes of people who have never interacted with people before, if you know what i mean by that. Like almost like intellectually stunted.
00:46:04
Speaker
Yeah. And I just don't know why it's Yeah, no, they, they definitely had. So my, own the only thing I can say to that is I did see somebody say, um which is something that I had missed um from the first season.
00:46:22
Speaker
Bert said, so Dylan's big on, in the first season, he's like, Oh yeah, that uprising and stuff. That wasn't MDR. That was ONA or whatever it is. The one that Bert comes from and stuff like,
00:46:36
Speaker
That wasn't us. Like they went crazy and they did all this shit. So it seems like it was MDR who did do that whenever it was based on what we've seen now. But Bert, somebody did like a side by side thing or like a comparison that was like, um Bert says that, yeah, a lot of us hear that you MDR folks don't have belly buttons.
00:46:57
Speaker
That was one of my favorite parts. And so, yeah, when Breanne and the guy, like she's talking to, they're like, okay, we'll like, let you guys go quietly, but like, show us your stomachs. ah And they're like, see, or pouches.
00:47:10
Speaker
I was thinking about Kyle XY. No, not Kyle I've never watched that show. But I do know he doesn't have belly button. nom i've never watched that show i've i mean' asked for but i do know he doesn't have a belly button Because that was the entire poster was just like him, like this, like semi hot dude with app, like great apps and just no belly button. It was like, why does he have no belly button? Watch to find out ABC family. Like, okay, they have pouches.
00:47:34
Speaker
Bert says, Oh, they have pouches. Like there's a rumor that you guys have pouches. And so they're like, show us your stomachs and they're like okay and uh Brienne of Tarth I'm just gonna keep calling her that um is like uh uh is like see they don't have pouches I told you and stuff and he's like okay I guess you're right and so like I feel like they were weird because they were scared of them because they came from the VR and the whole uprising thing and the pouches thing.
00:48:05
Speaker
But then also they were just super weird. Like why was that guy in full fucking goat regalia and was like the weirdest one of them all yeah perhaps? like Well, and if, if I were recall correctly, I know at least Brianna Tarth just like looked dirty. Like I think she had,
00:48:22
Speaker
stuff all over her face all kinds of fucking dirt and shit all over her yeah yeah so it kind of it kind of gave me the vibe that they're like permanent innies that like don't leave and that's why they're kind of a little bit cuckoo and that's fair yeah just kind of strange but yeah as for the purpose of the goats um um ah you know, I
Environmental Themes and Survival
00:48:46
Speaker
don't know. I had a theory going into this season, which I've kind of strayed away from, but it was kind of my strongest theory for the longest time was that the outside world is like,
00:48:59
Speaker
Bordering on apocalypse, like food famine and stuff like that because on the outside, you like never see food. I think the first time you saw food was after the like water dinner, that really weird one where they just drink water. ri again Which seems like just like weird – funny ricken thing to do but it could be because of a lack of food and then he has um mark's sister makes him like a sandwich to eat for dinner and that's it outside of that the only thing in food you see is when mark gets like the vip card to a diner which is like a weird
00:49:42
Speaker
present wow like okay yeah um and then i think i also talked to you before about how on the inside they have these melon parties or waffle parties and it seems like such a huge deal it's and a huge deal maybe it like actually is um so to that level i'm kind of thinking maybe they're cloning goats to be like a permanent food source um yeah But I don't know. And then that also could go to why they're studying like water things like Cold Harbor. And I think a lot of the files are water based. Yeah. a lot of the files like, or have some kind of like water related thing in like the title.
00:50:22
Speaker
Yeah. Well, as far as we've seen. And so it could be like clean water sources or something like that. I don't know. Just the outside, even like the, um the like punk show we were talking about cool it is, but like really like,
00:50:35
Speaker
even even edgy kids don't get that edgy. Like, it kind of seems like like a disturbed outer world type of teenage reaction of like, yeah, I mean like, you know, the best punk music comes during bad times. Yeah.
00:50:54
Speaker
You know, for sure. So we're going to get some good punk music in the next few years for sure, which I'm super excited for. um but I'm trying to think like, so he goes out to Mark goes out to dinner in the first season with, uh, that's right.
00:51:09
Speaker
Dula. But I don't think we see him. Is the thing we ever see him drink. Yeah. We see Mark drinking and like, ah you know, at the time, you know, it's like, it's like, yeah, like he's just plowing down on the drinks and like she's sipping water like slowly sipping her cocktail or whatever it is, but we don't ever see any food come.
00:51:26
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Like, and we don't ever see. huh that's really interesting i had not noticed the lack of food because in the ego in this season he goes to the diner with his sister and they just very quickly and they have coffee yeah which again you can attribute to he storms out before the ah the food they order food but you still don't see anybody else eating it's that That's super weird. Well, and and the whole reading party, like, I don't know. I like to think there would be like hors d'oeuvres or something, but. Yeah, there are. They're very minimal and they're not, yeah like, you don't really see them.
00:52:04
Speaker
Yeah. Rickon's, yeah. Oh, did you read? No, I still need to. Dude, it's like it's like an hour long if you listen to it It's free. It's so good. For anybody who doesn't know, Apple released the first eight chapters of ah the UUR read by the actor who plays Rickon, and it is hilarious, but also but there's some fun little nuggets in there.
00:52:27
Speaker
There's some fun little nuggets of um people are like, people are saying, so he, he tells a story of when he went on a camping trip with him and his wife and he doesn't say Mark and Jim, uh, because he's like, it's like, they didn't want me to use their name. So we'll call them these two people. It's obviously Mark and Jim, uh, like it has to be. Yeah. And the way the place he describes sounds a lot like where they go in the Orbo.
00:52:56
Speaker
Hmm. it sounds like he's describing like the cure national park or whatever. And stuff is like where they go. Cause it's close by. and like, that's where they go camping for a couple of nights and stuff. Um, but, uh, there's all, it's also just hilarious and, um, very fun. And I could get, I understand why the innies, uh,
00:53:15
Speaker
love it so much and they're like this is changing our lives and everything um ah but
Complex Character Relationships
00:53:22
Speaker
regardless of that um yeah that food thing man that's crazy i never even noticed that well and kind of to the side of that as well um with the whole famine aspect there's some really weird um like relationships and baby stuff I've noticed.
00:53:43
Speaker
So like big baby stuff, the baby stuff. The first one I noticed, and I went back today because like I wanted to get like the direct quote. yeah and I literally went through every single episode to find it. But um after the reading party like breaks up, um the girl that Mark was sharing the book with leaves and Rebecca,
00:54:07
Speaker
Yeah. And she says, she's leaving the house. She turns and says, um, says to Rakin, she says like, don't punish the baby. It wasn't its fault or something like that.
00:54:20
Speaker
And I thought that was so bizarre and she was a bizarre character. But I'm like, why would you say that? That's so such a weird statement. And then also, um After ah Helena sees the clip of her Annie and Mark, like, kissing, she's immediately, like, really invested in like – and she has sex with him, too, I would assume, for some weird baby stuff. But I'm like, why yeah why was she so –
00:54:56
Speaker
in on that like immediately Yeah. Yeah. yeah i i saw I saw somebody say, ah they were like, wow, what a bitchy thing to do. ah Helena being like, no, my girl, no, she's not going to get it.
00:55:08
Speaker
She's not going to get it. I'm going to get it. Which is hilarious and could be part of it. But I think what you're saying makes more sense. I feel like... There is a lot of baby stuff that is really weird. Don't get me wrong. It makes sense that like in that end of season one kind of thing where they're like freaking out, like,
00:55:26
Speaker
oh my god, that's your youre potentially evil boss from Lumen. I left the baby with her, and like she's clearly not who she says she is, but she's been helping me with the baby, and blah, blah, blah, and they freak out, which is justifiable. like Obviously, you would freak out a situation like that if you thought your baby was missing because of an evil person. like I totally get that, but...
00:55:48
Speaker
That's a weird comment from Rebecca, for sure. And then the title sequence, like we talked about earlier, of there's the baby Kier walking across Mark's feet at the very end.
00:56:00
Speaker
Super fucking weird. and um And yeah, Helena having sex with Mark. Like, yeah obviously unprotected. Why would he have a condom? like ah It kind of gives me the vibe that like maybe...
00:56:15
Speaker
having babies isn't as common now because it's also like, why was she, why did she give birth and like, that really bougie like hut thing. I mean, I'm sure that's something people just do, but a lot of that's Rick in, you know, I think you can probably at least like 60% of that to Rick in, but that one.
00:56:37
Speaker
So that woman that like Senator, she's like an elite. Yeah. She's severed. So she doesn't have to go through childbirth.
00:56:47
Speaker
Right. Yeah. and stuff because when um when mark's sister sees her out in public she's like oh what up girl like we had our babies and she's like who the fuck are you you weirdo yeah and she's like what and then we find out like at the um the big like party press conference thing um that she says like yeah i get i'm severed so i don't have to go through childbirth because like fuck that but she has three kids and like again um three kids is a lot for sure. Yeah.
00:57:17
Speaker
But, um, his sister is definitely like, damn three kids. Like, yeah, this is your third one. Like, wow, it's crazy and stuff. But to me, it also makes sense. Cause she's like an elite.
00:57:29
Speaker
So like, yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like it's a Senator yeah is a Senator or governor's like spouse. So like they can afford to and are allowed to. So you think there's like, maybe there's some kind of like,
00:57:42
Speaker
like communist China, like, Oh, well, you know what? Kind of a thing going on. You know what? Lack of food resources. Dylan does have multiple kids though. He has like three kids. one yeah Which they're older. So maybe this all happened after they were born. Maybe this is a newer thing. Maybe this is yeah thing again, the food thing is crazy.
00:58:03
Speaker
Cause even then in that scene, when we go back to Dylan before his wife is going off to her night job, um she he's not eating anything. He's just sitting there like, feel he's like drinking something. He's just like drinking some water or something like ah and watching TV while they're all like, you know, three kids causing mayhem.
00:58:22
Speaker
Well, and another thing I just thought of was when i think it was the most recent episode when Mark is like, Doing that stuff with the weird, like, brownish-yellowish liquid in his fridge. It's something to do with reintegrating. But he opens his fridge and the thing in there are those and, like, beers. Which, he's probably an alcoholic, but... Oh, we know he is. like Yeah. like I'm not advocating for alcoholism, but I am advocating for having beers in your fridge, dude. That's right. got on No food.
00:58:52
Speaker
Gotta unwind. Yeah, no food's bad. That's bad. Don't get beer, or get food if you don't have food. Don't get me wrong. But like, gotta unwind, dude. Yeah. his wife's His wife died, but now she's not. Like, he's going through a lot. He needs to have a couple brews.
00:59:04
Speaker
and Well, and you know, he doesn't have the excuse of, oh, hard day at work. So that's true. It's true. He doesn't really need to unwind that much, I guess. ah Yeah. Yeah, it's problematic. He should probably have food instead drinks in his fridge and hisridge andt his reintegration medicines or herbs or supplements, whatever.
Narrative Pacing and Tension
00:59:23
Speaker
um Wow, yeah, that food thing is crazy. I need to pay attention this week if any food comes up, like how intense it is or like if they're place where you would expect to see more food. Well, and even on the post-apocalyptic line too, it's like but the other stations within Lumen – One is the art, which feel like in a post-apocalyptic world, you you want to preserve art, which given they're preserving Lumen art, but still. um yeah And then the other one is like just making stuff, which is pretty useful, like tools and stuff. It seems like yeah a lot of what they're making. Yeah.
01:00:01
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I don't know. and then What's also super weird is...
01:00:09
Speaker
So how long do you think it's been from episode one to where we are now? We know it hasn't been five months. We know how five months haven't passed. That was a lie.
01:00:20
Speaker
It was only a couple of days from the overtime thing to when they come back. um
01:00:28
Speaker
What do we, how long do you think it's been actually? i would say probably at most a couple months because I mean, ah Mark's sister has the baby and the baby has been pretty much a newborn. She duop sure eight months pregnant.
01:00:47
Speaker
Okay. When it started, like give her a, she was about to have that, that baby was coming any, in the next few weeks, any day when it first came out. Cause we get that. That's like,
01:00:59
Speaker
halfway through the first season is when the baby comes yeah and the baby is still very much a newborn now the reason i ask is because it is everything has been cold and covered in snow the entire run of the show yeah obviously if it' had been five if it had been five months it wouldn't the snow would have been gone yeah you know so I'm kind of curious what that means for your like – this is low-key post-apocalyptic kind of world.
Climatic Changes and Story Implications
01:01:32
Speaker
like maybe it's almost like an ice age. Not a full-on ice age, but – Yeah, but I mean like there's some – like the weather, like climate change perhaps. Yeah.
01:01:43
Speaker
gotten to a point where it's like it's just cold as shit all the time in like a place where it may maybe there was more regular seasons and yeah you know like because like i've been that is something i've like kind of like this season kind of picked up i'm like like what woa was hollow it's like damn it's like cold cold there's hell of snow so they're obviously somewhere up north because we've seen um i saw somebody had a whole thing of like it says like they're in PA, which would be Pennsylvania, but then like something, they tied it to where it could be like, or it was PE. So but its it could be province of Egan.
01:02:26
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Like, and stuff. Like, it could be, like, they own, like, an entire part of the country, like, kind of a thing. Yeah. um Because, like, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, we're clearly in, like, the continental United States is where this is taking place.
01:02:43
Speaker
um But, like... you know there's not always snow everywhere you know and like but even in so even in cold places yeah even like uh like i mean austin and i went to maine in june and it was like 50 degrees one day and we both had to buy sweatshirts because we were like what the fuck why is it so fucking cold yeah but like there wasn't no damn snow no so it's like i'm just kind of curious like How long has it been since episode one to now?
01:03:12
Speaker
Because it's literally been cold and snow. Like every time somebody's outside, they're wearing a heavy coat. ah like and like there or And or there's snow on the ground.
01:03:24
Speaker
Like, sure, you could argue it's like, okay, it's like October... like And it's up north, so like it starts to snow a little bit earlier and stuff. but like And then that would last until like probably March-ish and stuff. so like yeah But still, I'm just like, how fast is all this really happening? you know Yeah, I mean, it's definitely been less than six months, I would say. which is Definitely less than six months, which in certain places it can be that cold for that long, sure.
01:03:54
Speaker
And like be have that much snowfall for that long, yeah sure. But i think there I think the fact that it's been just frigid cold the entire time is really – I feel like there's – I feel like that in my mind that plays to your post-apocalyptic kind of a thing.
01:04:10
Speaker
you know Yeah. and like I feel like that – it's like we're in a world where – because then that would go into the food thing because like you can't grow shit when it's cold. um You can't grow food when it's cold like that and stuff. So damn. Yeah.
01:04:25
Speaker
fuck Man, I don't know. Probably can't raise goats either. Well, no, you probably could. can't inside. Apparently. Apparently you can't inside if you're fucking looming and you're Brienne of Tarth and all those other weirdos in there. Yeah. Like, who fucking knows what's going on with that shit, dude?
01:04:44
Speaker
ah I don't know, man. I just... This show... It shows really doing it for me big. ah I don't think I've been this invested in like dying to see the next episode of a show in so long.
Expectations for the Season Finale
01:05:01
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and especially to see the conclusion and where it's going to go is it's still, pretty much a total mystery of oh yeah what's going on.
01:05:11
Speaker
Spoiler alert, the last episode of this season, according to IMDb, is called Cold Harbor. who So we're going to find out. We're going find something out. Oh, I did see something the other day. but Ben Stiller was a, he had like a, like a I don't know what magazine, but it was like a magazine like cover story. but And ah he did say we should we will have answers about the goat, the goats this season. By the end of the season, there will be answers to the goat. So praying that's real. It will get something even if it's not the full answers. It'll be some more like this is why they're here. Even if it's a lie, we'll get an answer is what I got.
01:05:50
Speaker
the vibe i got like even if it's milkshake being like oh this is what they're for i'll take it yeah i just need somebody to give some explanation whether it's the truth or not um the only other thing i really want to talk about that i think is really interesting is um and i've seen a lot of people talk about dylan and his wife There's some weird energy going on there. um Like obviously Dylan's been a little more like reigned this season because ah they set up the like meet your like the family like place like where you can meet with your Audis like family and stuff. And she comes just like Pam from the office, which is wild.
01:06:35
Speaker
Yeah. but I just think it's interesting because he was like super invested in her, wanted to talk to her so bad. And they seem seemingly had a really great time. And she says, I love you to him.
01:06:51
Speaker
Uh, like, and he says it back. And then we get the scene of her, like the Audi Dylan, And he's like, oh, how was the thing? And she was like, oh, was good. You know, weird, but good. Like, and she's like kind of like weird about it.
01:07:05
Speaker
And she goes to leave for work and she doesn't say I love you then. Right. He doesn't seem bothered by that. And when he was like, um when he went to try to get a job at the door factory or whatever with the guy who looked exactly like him, which was wild. Yeah. Wild thing.
01:07:22
Speaker
um She calls him to be like, how'd it go? And he's like kind of a dick. to her yeah like he's kind of like like i feel like outie dylan might be a dick yeah he kind of sucks and not the best husband and father she kind of mentions that to him the any as well of just being like you know he's just not really he just doesn't really do much um yeah and to that whole part i kind of got the vibe there's another big theory going around that the
01:07:56
Speaker
innies are being trained to replace the Audis.
Audi-Innie Dynamics
01:08:00
Speaker
Um, and that was kind of the vibe I got was that she kind of, uh, preferred the Audi. Sorry, Tony, uh, that she kind of preferred the any over Audi. Um, yeah,
01:08:15
Speaker
yeah because he was like so invested and like wanted to know everything about her. And it was like probably giving her like like reminiscent of like when they first started like dating and stuff kind of energy. And like now they have multiple kids. He's had a hard time in the past keeping jobs, they like as mentioned, and stuff. And like and like Lumen was good because it pays really well.
01:08:40
Speaker
And everything. So it was like good for their family. And he didn't seem to like, you know, hate his job because he didn't remember it. And everything like that. So I don't know. I just thought that was a weird thing.
01:08:53
Speaker
it was definitely strange because it's like a weird energy from. how she was talking and interacting with any version of Dylan to the Audi version because it was like very easy cold rushed no like okay I'm going to work love you like see you later and stuff like and everything just like okay I'm leaving bye and he's like all right whatever Yeah. like okay Oh, how was the thing? She's like, Oh, it was weird, but it was good. Like she felt like it's like, Oh, I like him more. Like correct you kind of thing. Yeah. So don't know. I thought that was so super weird for sure. Which we, we had kind of discussed a little bit of that in our waffle party group chat ah about how it kind of seems like ah all the people that are inside
01:09:37
Speaker
Their Audis have some sort of issue and maybe their innies are kind of fixing that issue. um In some way. Yeah. Yeah. In some way. So could be some of that.
01:09:48
Speaker
third time There's just so many different ways it can go. That would be so good for temperance state. yeah exactly tame those four temperance and you're good dude that's Kier shit right there bro oh um and then oh can we talk about the just cause it's so funny um the the like Kier the the like mythology like folktale story uh during woe's hollow that milkshake reads with the the spilling of his lineage and stuff his penis gets like oh yeah they were talking about how he's like like oh yeah he like he like jerked it hard yeah gar watched his brother jerk it hard was crazy and stuff and it's like that was the one moment when
01:10:39
Speaker
like because helena laughs and so mark laughs and stuff that one moment i was like maybe that is heli yeah i was like that's heli would probably be like what the fuck like right stuff but like again maybe obviously it
Symbolic Storytelling and Themes
01:10:55
Speaker
wasn't so like maybe it was an act like or maybe she's just like yeah even that's too much for me like kind of a thing but i just thought that shit was so fucking funny no that was so good and they were talking about like what what do you think uh replaced his penis or something like that he said like a root vegetable and shit yeah oh my god yeah that shit was so fucking funny um oh man yeah i don't know i don't don't know if i have anything else like super pressing or so what are you so have you said all of your like theories of like
01:11:36
Speaker
where you think everything is going. Like we've touched on a lot of theories and stuff, is there anything else that like, you're like, what's going on with this? Like, or like, who what do you think is going on and stuff? Cause like, I feel like I've shared all mine. and My biggest one is the, the board is Natalie and vice versa. And like, that's what her whole job is kind of a thing.
01:11:59
Speaker
And the, the Milchak, he's super not cool with the painting. So he's maybe going to start turning a little anti-lumen as we get deeper be like, well, you see people as less than i am who I am I don't vibe with that.
01:12:18
Speaker
We can't do that kind of a thing. Yeah. um Are my two biggest like gung ho, like, yeah, kind of things. Yeah. Well, so but I'd say I have two more, sort of two and a half.
01:12:30
Speaker
um One is more of like a prediction of where two characters are going to go. I think, and this somewhat building off of the Milchak thing, and I think Milchak and Kobol end up working together to take it down. um I saw a yeah incredibly interesting Reddit post talking about how that really tense moment where it seems like Milchak is like,
01:13:00
Speaker
gloves off um to mark in the elevator he gets really that shit was crazy he said he he goes off the fucking wall i love that shot too because like there's the line in the elevator yeah and they're separated and then he crosses it and he's like when you fucked helena and it's like whoa dude like yeah that shit was that might have been the wildest thing from the last episode but continue i just had to so and so and this could be nothing it could just be a coincidence but so um He leans in to Mark and he says, how was the rest of the funeral? Did you find what you were looking for?
01:13:39
Speaker
um And Dylan found the... sheet behind the painting yes when Irving says hang in there he's he looks at him and he's like just remember hang in there um yeah and it's the whole it's all the stuff about the export haul uh-huh kind of my thought process is is maybe Milchak put it there with the intent that they find that. And that's why he has to mark that, even though Dylan's the one who found it.
01:14:11
Speaker
Um, cause he, I mean, he says like, did you find what you were looking for? Something weird encrypted like that. He makes, he makes a vague reference to. yeah And if that's the case, it's kind of similar to when he's talking to um,
01:14:27
Speaker
to Natalie about the painting where he's kind of hiding a message within yeah other messages. Like he's being really mean, he's being aggressive, but then he kind of slips in this, like, ah by the way, like, did you find this? Oh yeah. I'm going to call that a milkshake coded.
01:14:43
Speaker
Yeah. Milkshake coded means like corporate, corporate aggressive speak with a, with like very important subtext. Yeah. That's milkshake coded. Yeah, absolutely. That's,
01:14:55
Speaker
That's definitely something. And I feel like there are two people who are going on that path of being really upset with the company and kind of having a change of heart on the morality of it all.
01:15:07
Speaker
um Oh yeah. Because I truly real quick, I truly think that um and ah in episode three, when Cobell is like, yeah, let's meet
Potential Alliances and Character Interactions
01:15:17
Speaker
with the board. And Helena calls Natalie and stuff to be like, yeah, let's meet with the board.
01:15:21
Speaker
She goes and sees, the bodyguard and as soon as she sees the bodyguard she gets scared and she runs away and we haven't seen her since yeah um which could have been like okay therere they're they're gonna like they're gonna off her or like some bad's gonna happen so she's like i gotta fucking go so she i feel like she hasn't been around because she's doing something behind the scenes like she is anti the fuck out of lumen right now even though you know all that stuff with like her weird little baby cure shrine thing and stuff from season one. But she destroys too. She destroys after she gets fired and stuff. So she's got to be anti at this point.
01:15:56
Speaker
Um, and stuff. So then linking up and stuff with everything that's been going on with, uh, Milchak, I think totally makes sense. So um yeah I'm with you on that for sure. yeah There was, um, one other really weird thing.
01:16:11
Speaker
um, When um Irving and Bert meet up, um who outside that was very strange. And I kind of think that Bert is in some way working within Lumen, sort of similar to Helena.
01:16:32
Speaker
because he said he got fired for having in yeah but erotic that was unsanctioned. Yeah, that's really weird. Why would Lumen tell him the actual reason?
01:16:43
Speaker
yeah Why would they tell Audi? Well, i guess because it's Audi and, you know, theoretically, you know, the plan is like your any never knows like any, yeah and like no, no other any's ever know.
01:16:54
Speaker
Like why that would happen? Like, and stuff. Cause like, it's like, they're like, oh yeah. Like, it's so weird because it's like any, any Bert was like, I'm retiring. Yeah.
01:17:05
Speaker
Which someone else was talking about how weird, like no one else Well, i guess Petey was different because he was reintegrated. But like, it just seems weird to have a retirement video like that unless you're like somewhat in on it. Like when Helena talked and sent the video in, it was kind of like,
01:17:27
Speaker
screw all you guys. You guys aren't human. i don't care about you. Yeah. She was like, it's up to me. Fuck you. You're staying. I don't give a shit. Yeah. Yeah. So like, why would, why would he make a really nice kind hearted thing? Do that. It was a very pleasant, like this guy's clearly retiring and everybody's cool with it.
01:17:45
Speaker
Well, so the only thing I can think of is I did see somebody say, so this one dude on Tik TOK talking about it, shout out that one dude, whatever you your name is. um He was like,
01:17:57
Speaker
So at the beginning of this episode, that dude who's whistling and he goes and gets the tools. The dentist or whatever. goes to the x ah Yeah, and it goes to the yeah the dentist tools. Yeah, definitely. did Okay, I'm glad you saw that too. They were definitely dentist tools, right? like And he goes to the exports hall.
01:18:13
Speaker
We never see that guy's face. But he was like, if you take like the shots of his body and stuff that we do see, and you put them next to ah Fields, who we see, Bert's husband, that we see oh looks pretty similar.
01:18:29
Speaker
So maybe there's some relation there in some way. Like, why Bert retired? It's like, yeah and like somehow was... he knew that his inny was having an affair basically yeah and so it's like okay so you're gonna retire and we're gonna be done and you're gonna be done with this like i don't know you know what i mean like i don't know like i saw that and i was like was like this guy's making some pretty good points they do really look a lot alike it gives me the vibe that they they are sort of like helena though because also why would you invite him to dinner
01:19:06
Speaker
That's weird. That's so fucking weird. That's really bizarre. but We need to see that this next episode because that's so fucking weird. That was like yeah the most seen thing I saw when I was looking like after to see what other people were thinking about the episode. was like People were like, that's really not cool, right? like yeah remember when i Remember when that guy was banging on our door screaming my name like very passionately? like Because we were in love.
01:19:33
Speaker
because we were in love and I and I potentially maybe you had to quit that you made me quit that job because I was low-key having my any he was having an affair with somebody I'm bringing him to dinner tomorrow night so we can just like all hang out and get to know each other and talk about it like no no absolutely not I would be like we're never seeing this human being again and our life no that guy's fucking that no absolutely not dude yeah like something's fishy there I think we missed our trip to Milwaukee for this dude yeah like like what the fuck like absolutely not yeah i don't know that whole thing bert outie bert is and i don't know maybe it could just be christopher walken as being a phenomenal actor and being hard to read i'm like there's something weird going on there but that just be christopher walken because any any uh bert was amazing and so beautiful and i loved him so much but this outie guy i don't know i don't know man bad vibes I don't know, bad vibes about this dinner.
01:20:29
Speaker
We better see that shit on Thursday or I'm going lose my fucking mind. Yeah. Fuck, dude. The only other thing i would like to talk about is i feel like we should make predictions on what the hell is going on with Miss Casey.
01:20:51
Speaker
did she Did she die? Did she not die? Did she get cloned? ah It's just there's so many questions on what it is. Some people think that Miss Wong is – Is her like clone?
01:21:09
Speaker
Younger or something like that. like Yeah. Her like clone that they've been like rapidly raising since they took her like two years ago. Right. Because they made such a big deal of like, why is a child here? like yeah why is that Why is there a child who is above us?
01:21:26
Speaker
Yeah. And why is she? And like Loki, she used a she's so she she can tear up the theremin, she absolutely slays and that shit when during the funeral when milk milkshake was like was like like miss wong like and she's like i thought was gonna get the fucking play dude and then he's like for executing pay for me later and she was like oh like i was like man i wanted to hear her play again she's so good at it there are so cool but um yeah like they're like so like why is there a child here like this is this legal like what is this i totally get that i think with miss casey slash jimmo um
01:22:04
Speaker
i think she didn't die purely because the conversation Mark has with his sister at the diner. um
Faked Deaths and Sci-Fi Elements
01:22:15
Speaker
He's very much like, I don't want to talk about what my Annie said and stuff being like, she's alive and all that stuff. He's like, i don't want to deal with it. I don't care. ah don't want to deal with it.
01:22:26
Speaker
Blah, blah, blah. And he's like, and she's like, well, but like, oh, like, you don't know, like, and stuff. And he was like, I saw her burnt body.
01:22:37
Speaker
Right. like like Like, there was like a specific phrasing that was like, I saw her dead body, but like burnt. So it's like, easy to think sure could you yeah exactly like it's easy to like you know like like you you you're into a true crime ah like a bit like people try to do that shit at all the time yeah like oh yeah like and stuff like and everything because like if he had said like the dental record it was definitely her, but like, obviously Keir is big enough to be like, they have people in the morgue to be like, yep, it's definitely her based on the dental records. That could be completely bullshit.
01:23:19
Speaker
They're like lumen and is definitely big enough to be able to pull that kind of a thing. Um, you know, is the age old, like throw enough money on a problem. It'll go away like easy. And so I feel like they, I feel like,
01:23:34
Speaker
It's one of those things like she genuinely did into a car wreck, but somebody related to Lumen, somebody like ah like somebody who works for an ambulance or like fire department, like some kind of like first responder thing, Lumen sent out a thing being like, hey, if you're under the table, let us know before anybody else and we can take this body.
01:23:59
Speaker
we'll give you a ton of money. Right. And like, you know, NDA is across the board. We'll never talk about it. Everything will be Gucci. And so like, they come in and like, and we'll provide, you know, and like, and you know what I mean? Like, I feel like they could have staged it super easily with the power and money that they have.
01:24:16
Speaker
um So I think she has to be alive. Same here. For her to be the exact same right age and stuff. Because again, i think it's I think what we're watching is a near sci-fi, like a near future sci-fi.
01:24:31
Speaker
So they wouldn't be able to like, you know, Star Trek, like directly clone somebody. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like to be like their spitting image, same age, everything and stuff. I feel like it would have to be like a Dolly the Goat kind of a thing where it's like we slowly...
01:24:48
Speaker
bring them up so like miss wong being like one of her clones sure like i don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that idea um they do keep making a big point of like why is this kid here why is this kid they keep pointing to it yeah which again with this kind of a show could be just red herring but i think she's actually there and
01:25:13
Speaker
I don't know. Besides that, I just think, I think she's alive and i think it's actually her, but she doesn't ever get to leave again. And she's, she's in a permanent, any, like you were saying with the goat people.
01:25:25
Speaker
Yeah. And like, that's where they get those people. It's like, these are all people who have died. officially and now they just work here permanently and they never get to leave yeah the thing um that's my best guess uh i could do that i mean originally i was thinking maybe she was comatose but that doesn't make sense because i do i do believe in the fact that it needs to be at least a little bit in the realm of realistic. And I don't think you can just take a comatose body, sever it. And then all of a sudden it's like awake and functioning.
01:26:02
Speaker
Yeah. And kind of my first thought was, I do like, I do like the theory that all the goat people are also people that died and they're just permanently in ease. My other thought was maybe they take people who get into accidents to where they have like severe amnesia.
01:26:21
Speaker
And then they make them an in any and Audi because when they're in Audi, they don't remember their family or stuff like that. um interesting But i I would agree. I do think she's alive. I don't, I don't really buy the whole clone thing.
01:26:33
Speaker
It's possible. I would kind of be disappointed maybe a little bit if it was cloning just cause that takes away the realism of it. But, um, Yeah, I think she has to be alive.
01:26:45
Speaker
There's theories out there that are just crazy, and i just can't buy into any of them. I don't
Mind Control and Unpredictability
01:26:51
Speaker
know. I mean, sure. I mean, there's definitely no way that the show is not fucking insane. And like, yeah, just about anything is definitely possible. But there are there are still limits. And based on what we've seen and like how we understand this world to work, I feel like her being alive makes the most sense.
01:27:13
Speaker
Again, you cut back to the first end of the first episode of this season. What is that? What is that shot we see of her, like on the computer, like right all like in like some kind of medical thing and like the four temperaments are there and it says Cold Harbor and like, what does that mean? And how does that work? Are they like.
01:27:34
Speaker
reconfiguring are they like is it like a thing where she is in a coma and if you can tame the four temperaments you can bring them out of the coma with the nefarious thing of like now they're like completely cure like devoted and stuff and like yeah that's why it's like such a revolutionary thing it'll change the world where if you give us enough time we can have people who can bring anyone out of a coma but now they're basically a different person because they value the cure like way of life and stuff like the religious indoctrination kind of a thing like it's like well if you want to live you got to follow this like kind of a thing like yeah like yeah like ah that makes sense like in my mind but i don't fucking know Yeah.
01:28:21
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like she has to be alive is the biggest thing. Well, and you know, the end of the last season we just saw, we see her as well at the very end of it. So I want to say she's going to come up more in the next couple episodes. But one other interesting thing I saw online about that last bit was it shows her face and she's doing the whole like, um, your Audi is really good at baseball or something like that. But the two things she says,
01:28:50
Speaker
are like super... People were theorizing that they're two things that are super personal to Mark. Like only someone who knows and lives with Mark would know. Like I think one was...
01:29:03
Speaker
he listens to music while he shaves, but never in the shower or something like that. That's just like oh fucking personal, super personal. So, and also super fucking weird, dude.
01:29:13
Speaker
Yeah. Like I shave, listen to music shaving and in the shower. Like why, yeah why would you turn it off? Yeah. Yeah. ah Weird, but regardless, like mark Mark is Mark's weird, but we all know that. So, but yeah, that's just, that is definitely a super personal fucking thing for yeah sure.
01:29:31
Speaker
So yeah, I feel like they were like, and that, cause that was, that's the scene where Ms. Cobell is like very intensely watching the session. yeah yeah mean that it and like so it's like she is very intensely as the head of the severed floor is very intensely watching to make sure there's no like twitch twitch twitch like uh what like nothing like breaks through the chip or something well and even to that they were pushing him to go see her like a lot that first season though
01:30:04
Speaker
i think they were I think they were testing to be like, is he going to recognize her? Or is the chip foolproof? minus Or maybe they were like, we know Petey's reintegrating.
01:30:15
Speaker
We need to make sure Mark's not, because they were super tight in here. so like ah if he's going to reintegrate, like that would obviously be the first thing he fucking notices. is like yeah that's the That's my supposed to be dead wife.
01:30:28
Speaker
and stuff so They were definitely monitoring it. um For that reason, I think, for sure. Like, no doubt. so Yeah. Oh, man. I don't know. I just need One more thing.
01:30:42
Speaker
hey Hit me. Hit me. The bizarre thing. i think it's episode one. but bizarre thing in the background of that one thing. The dude or like thing or whatever it is. When he's running to ah wellness.
01:30:58
Speaker
Yes. It's all boarded up and he's standing there and there's like that weird shift. and gyna guy Like it almost felt like a like an editing mistake. Like they just accidentally left it in there. But now it had in this show like that yeah yeah had to be purposeful. Yeah.
01:31:15
Speaker
And I don't even want to speculate on what that is because I don't even know, but I think it's worth bringing up. It's literally, it's worth bringing up and then like not talking about because like nothing has come up that could give us any indication of like, who the fuck was that?
01:31:30
Speaker
What the fuck was that? Like there's, but like, it's like he's being watched. Yes. But by who and why was it so weird? Why was it so much weirder than it needed to be? Cause like,
01:31:41
Speaker
You had the guy that was the head of the security that gets killed in the first season. Right. Which that could be. And that not like that guy. It could be that they can bring people back to life. And jim actually did die. And he did too. But he got remade.
01:31:59
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know. It's
Audience Engagement and Future Plans
01:32:01
Speaker
yeah crazy. That's definitely something that but out of all the questions, that's the only one we haven't gotten any kind any kind of a any kind of like inkling towards an answer it's just like there's some weird fucking guy in the background and we all saw it and we all freaked out and yeah enough and nothing since so yeah definitely worth keeping an eye on that for sure um oh god oh god thursday needs to come ah know so fast i'm so fucking excited um
01:32:37
Speaker
ah jeez yeah i don't think I don't think I got anything else. I think that's think that's pretty much everything that needs to be discussed for the first half of this show. um yeah um These next ones are going to be super exciting too because oh yeah it has been a lot of buildup this season. It's been enjoyable because we're like really into it, but I feel like to a casual watcher this season may be a little bit of a disappointment so far just because it has been so much buildup and not a lot of action outside of the... I think I'm going to disagree a bit because it has been a lot of buildup, but I think Woe's Hollow episode four yeah was so fucking crazy. And then the last episode was a little bit of a step back with a bunch of really good shit and like furthering, getting closer to answers and stuff that I think it's pacing just fine.
01:33:30
Speaker
Yeah. You know, I definitely think that like the last like, two or maybe three episodes even need to have a little more juice for sure but i'm very happy with the pacing of this season so far yeah i think if they went balls to the wall like again wolves hollow felt like such a filler episode until it just wasn't and it was just so crazy and it was so good um and then the last episode we like take a little step back, but here's a bunch of information and i' build a bunch of new threads and stuff like that, that are like, like deepening threads and then like starting a couple new ones.
01:34:10
Speaker
And I just think it's, i I think it's just perfect. I think it's just doing it so well ah right now. um like i'm really like like I like ah Yellow Jackets just came out um on Thanksgiving, first two episodes.
01:34:26
Speaker
I'm really excited about that. and like That's going to be great to watch because I really like that show too. and ah you You should watch it. Everybody should watch it if you haven't. It's very good. I'm much more looking to third looking forward to Thursday than Friday. yeah like I need Thursday here sooner than I need Friday to be here.
01:34:43
Speaker
yeah I need to see Severance more than I need to see Yellow Jackets, even though they're both great. but like this one is just, there's just something about It's just so fucking good. It's got a feel unlike any other show. I feel like, um, again, yeah.
01:34:56
Speaker
Twin peaks, man. It's got, it's got that kind of energy to it in a way that just refreshing. Yeah, exactly. It's a very refreshing. It's so different than anything that's on, um, right now.
01:35:10
Speaker
Like it's, it's just, it's just weird enough. to be different, but the drama and everything else that you would expect from a modern TV show is there in full.
01:35:27
Speaker
But even in those scenes and in those moments, they're doing it better than a lot of other shows yeah can do. So they're just absolutely killing it. I'm going need some Emmy nominations this, ah this ah first season or I'm going to be fucking livid. Cause like, how could you not?
01:35:44
Speaker
It's yeah everyone's talking about it constantly. Like literally on Friday, I go into work. I see it Thursday thursday night going to Friday. Well, I text the waffle party and we message in the waffle party about it. um Like as soon as we can. and then I go in on Friday and like,
01:35:59
Speaker
half the people I talked to were just talking about severance the entire time. And I feel like it's been a while since it's been like, you talk to people at work about this as soon as you can. Cause every, like everybody else that watches is watching it as soon as they can.
01:36:14
Speaker
to yeah So they can talk about it and not like get spoiled and stuff like that. And I feel like it's been a while since we've had that. So super fucking jazzed about this show. Um, yeah, Well, yeah, I think that's it. Um, yeah, i don't really have anything else to say in terms of theories and theorizing and any other bullshit yeah because nothing nothing we say really matters because we have, where there's no way we could guess what this is.
01:36:38
Speaker
Um, Yeah. um It'll be exciting to check back in. Oh yeah. It'll be so exciting to check back in. um Let's see. That's going to be March 21st. So March 20th, because for some reason they're saying they come out on Friday, but they actually come out on Thursday. Yeah. No idea why that's the the case, but yeah. So that following week ah we'll have our final thoughts on it. um So, which is God, that just seems so far away. let's just i need these answers now.
01:37:08
Speaker
um Yeah. ah Last thing I'll say, I brought up Severance Peaks. That's a coworker husband's show. They do an every episode weekly drop. ah Definitely check them out.
01:37:20
Speaker
Really good stuff. ah Ben Stiller went on Jimmy Fallon and said, Hey, I love this show. ah This ah Severance Peaks podcast about Severance. So fucking go check it out. He was on the last episode.
01:37:33
Speaker
Crazy. um They're really good. They do a really good job. It's really interesting. um yeah i'm gonna need to check it out myself yeah definitely definitely give it a listen uh super worth it super super entertaining and they get they get really they get to go deep into every episode we did five episodes going deep as we could um but they're every episode they're talking about everything so definitely check them out um but yeah i think that's a think that's all i got yeah anything you want to plug i just plugged something anything you want to plug
01:38:08
Speaker
No, watch Severance. Yeah. I think we talked about it before, but watch all the Apple TV shows, man. I started watching Silo, which is based on like a really big book series. Oh, yeah.
01:38:22
Speaker
That's really good. I still... I've been like kind of saving it for myself for a show lull to watch Dark Matter because I love that book so much.
01:38:35
Speaker
I think I watched the first episode and was like, I'm going to save this. Yeah. Yeah. I might watch the first episode so I can read the book and not have to cast the characters. I just have them cast it because of Joel Egerton and Jennifer Connelly are in that show. I love them. They're both amazing.
01:38:55
Speaker
so I may watch the first episode because i have the book. i just haven't read it yet. but I know you love that book. yeah and i'm sure and Apple TV has been doing so good. they're just They just kill of their sci-fi stuff like it. They don't make too many shows, but every one is so good.
01:39:09
Speaker
Yeah, i Silo, I still need to watch like the last couple of episodes. I was trying to watch it as it came out, but every time I went to watch it, I fell asleep. Not because it's boring, just because I was exhausted at the time it was coming out and like just like putting it on. and like It's a little bit slow. It's a slow burn to it, for sure. Kept falling asleep. But like ah yeah, that show, super good. Rebecca Ferguson, chef's kiss.
01:39:32
Speaker
She's so good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. yeah Yeah. Only other thing is, um, shout out Paddington in Peru. Yeah. You were saying that the other day. Just all that. It was really good.
01:39:45
Speaker
You get a lot of Paddington lore within that. So if you're into that, um, great for all ages. Went salt when my nephews, they loved it. I almost cried towards the end. I was like, you know, you get that little tickle in your back of your throat where you're like, Oh yeah. but Um,
01:40:02
Speaker
But oh it's really good. Oh, yeah. All right. So padding and in Paddington in Peru and anything on Apple TV yeah is a plus. um Hell, yeah. All right. Well, um you know, follow on Instagram, TikTok and all that good stuff. um Yeah, and more episodes coming as they come.
01:40:22
Speaker
So thank you for being here, Kyle. For sure, anytime. We'll regroup ah for the for Severance, the end of Severance Season 2. And hopefully we won't have to wait as long for Season 3. I don't think that'll be a problem this time. There's no way.
01:40:36
Speaker
yeah There's no way we'll have to wait like two or three years. So it'll be fine. Yeah, well, and that's what they need. They need a Severance procedure to where you can sever yourself until the next season. Yeah, just like two years of just like being in any until you're just like back in.
01:40:50
Speaker
I um might sign up. Yeah, I'm with that. Yeah, I'll talk to, we'll we'll talk to Ben Stiller about it and see if they can make it a thing. Yeah, yeah cool.