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The Horrors of Remakes With Tyler Eads
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It's spooky season! Join Tyler and I as we talk about how and why there are so many horror remakes and reboots that are constantly coming out every few years, which ones are good, which ones are bad and more!
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Introduction to Bad Movie Debate
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Why Are Horror Movies Frequently Remade?
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what up nerds it's bad movie debate with Jacob Babb um ah we got an interesting one obviously it's spooky season so we got to talk about some horror movies um like a lot of horror movies we're gonna cover quite a bit today um not a regular kind of debate episode i kind of one of those like ah genre specific like kind of overarching what sort of like kind of meta conversation about the genre kind of a thing that we're gonna do we're gonna talk about remakes and reboots in the horror franchise because that seems to be the franchise or like the genre that gets rebooted and remade the most or and it's kind of weird ah but uh we're gonna get into it I have with me of course Tyler Eads always here for the spooky season stuff say what up brah
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What's up, everybody? Happy to be here. Thanks for having me, man. Always. Always a pleasure, of course. um We always get into the the weeds, as it were. um So, yeah, I don't know. like I mean, just right off the bat, what do you... Like, I think that horror is remade more than any other genre because...
Financial Appeal of Horror Remakes
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I feel bad saying this because I love horror so much, ah but it feels like it's the easiest one to do. yeah You know, what like it seems like it's like that's the horror is the easiest one to like, well, we can just copy and paste this or like, oh, we'll just modernize it and it'll be the same because the stories are quote unquote, not very complex and like quote unquote don't mean anything at the end of the day and stuff. You just have to be able to scare people. Like that's my opinion on why it gets It's the most rebooted, remade, oh, we're just going to beat this dead horse into the ground ah genre out of anything. but like what do What do you think about that?
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yeah so I think to build on that, I i think it's also um going to have a much lower barrier of entry as far as finances go. um So an example that I just looked up um when you posed this question was trying to think of another non-horror movie that's been remade more every once, and that is Stars Yes, we're on three now, I think. We're on three, yeah yeah, with the Bradley Cooper, God on One, which, incredible movie, by the way. but yeah i mean oh Yeah, I'm not shitting on it. like my any now yeah like yeah that would that one That one hit pretty hard. That was pretty fucked.
Profitability vs. Substance in Horror Remakes
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Yeah, so I was looking and...
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I kind of negate my point with this because the 1954 version, I think, had like a $4 million dollar budget, wait which in the 50s was insane, but... That's insane, yeah. Barbara Streisand, a star born in 1976, had a budget of about, I think, $6 million, it was.
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um And to compare another movie that we will probably talk about that got that was made around that same time but remade you know several decades later is A Texas Chainsaw Massacre. So A Texas Chainsaw Massacre came out and said well four two years before.
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this version of star is born and its budget was one hundred and forty thousand dollars in comparison yeah to the six million and a star is born wide as for two thousand three the remake of texas chain oh with jessica you only had a budget of about nine and a half million dollars. So only three and a half more million than a star is born almost 30 years before it. Which I'm sure we'll talk about this more later because I think this is the point of you know why it gets remained so many times. On a nine and a half million dollar budget, Texas Chainsaw and Sea Chapel 3 had a worldwide gross of $107 million. So you can start
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financial barrier of entry because of what it takes to make a war movie and a lot of those aspects. And people will come and see it because war movies have a special draw to them that when a star is born without having Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga may not. So I think that it's just a lot easier to turn a profit, long story short.
Critique of Modern Horror Remakes
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Oh no, a hundred percent. I mean, and then think about like even like just like the inflation from that, like $4 million dollars in the fifties to $6 million dollars in the seventies is like, okay, it's already $2 million dollars more, but then you adjust for 20 years of inflation. Like that's insane. And then you go into the $9 million for the 2003, like $9 million, dollars like again, quote unquote is like not a lot of money when you're making ah feature movie ah in the twenty first century you know what i mean that's like that's a pretty cheap studio level movie and so so i completely agree with that too that i think it's is just the he's she it's easy and people are going to fucking go and see it like i um like i re-watched the uh friday of the 13th um uh little uh behind the curtains uh tali and i've been very busy the past couple of weeks october' is element many october has been insane we'll see for me i have not seen watched as many remakes as i wanted to but i yeah was able to i've i've seen a lot of what we're going to talk about already but i was like
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Friday the 13th is the one that I want to rewatch, because it's probably the one I haven't seen in the longest. um And I did forgot how dogshit it is, but we'll yeah get to it. But um but ah it was, ah yeah, it's just like, but like I remember like when that Friday the 13th came out, I think it was 2009, around there, I was super excited, because I loved the original, like like first like three and stuff and everything, and I was like,
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And then you watch it and it's just so dogshit. And then like, I've seen the Texas Chainsaw one and it's just like, I don't know. It's just like modernizing a lot of this stuff really bothers me too. Cause it's like, it doesn't play as well sometimes, but also it's like, but they know people are going to go fucking watch it. Like that's not to say, that's not to say that there's like reboots and like, there's some really good ones that we're going to talk about like yeah ah and stuff, but like,
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Just like in a general conversation about it, it's like I don't understand or like I do understand rather that ah it's the easiest way to do it. It's so cost effective. You're going to make money, so much money off of it. And like you can write the most bland, boring thing as long as the serial killer, if it's like that, if it's like the slasher, as long as the guy is it killing people with the machete or is doing the thing or like the zombies are attacking like crazy and stuff people are gonna fucking go see it because uh at the end of the day those kind of movies are you know popcorn fun like they're just popcorn fun kind of movies it's really easy to remake those um if someone told me they were gonna like in 20 years from now they're like we're gonna remake hereditary i would be like what the fuck is wrong with you
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how, why, yeah there's no reason to do that. That would be the dumbest thing ever. So part of it is too, is I do think they're they are making the right choice of like, we're going to reboot a slasher movie or like, you know, like in stuff like that, like, oh, the Evil Dead franchise is like,
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gonna get a remake and like, oh, now there's another one and stuff. like And like like bo like those kind of work, like that kind of works and stuff. Like anything like Hereditary or like Midsommar, I mean, um we all we both know, everybody listening should know that me and Tyler are huge A24 fans. So it's like, if you're gonna try to meet remake one of those in the next 20 years, we're gonna fucking riot. Like we're yeah we're going to be pick it we're gonna be on the picket line like protesting these movies like passionately.
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Um, so I will give them that that it's like
Slasher Films: Easy but Uninspired Remakes
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if we are going to remake these things, we're going to remake the ones that like can work. But yes, I feel like a little good. I think, to to your point, Hereditary in Midsommar, things like that, you don't really have a canvas to create a sequel to those. yeah All of these other movies that we're talking about have multiple sequels, too many sequels.
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you know i think but but i think when you type of movie, to your point, these slashers, these things that you know are printing at the end of the day, despite being you know really intense, gory, whatever, are really just part of fun. You can make a million of them and have a similar experience every single time, regardless of how good or bad they are. And right so I think chung-fu movies that already have you know ah retelling of that story. I think it's fine to remake those, but I mean like if you were to remake, even outside of like the horror genre, like freaking, I don't know, like Same Private Riot or I don't know, something that's so i so yeah singular, so separate. It just like, you might as well just do a new movie at that point.
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You know what I mean? Exactly. I think you can make an argue argument to a lot of these remakes that you should have just done a different movie that remaking it in the first place was a mistake. And we've already done another sequel, you know, but we've already gotten there. We've already gotten there. That was one of my big things. It was like, why remake this movie? Why remake it? Why make it? Why make another Jason Voorhees, Freddy Krueger kind of thing? Why not just like take those kind of like general concepts and tropes and then reapply them in a different manner that's like kind of telling the same story but there's a little bit of different thing add some extra plot
A24’s Originality in Horror
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points take some different plot points away like add a little bit of a different twist and stuff and you got and you got a horror movie a horror a popcorn horror movie that everybody loves it is like oh that's an instant classic like that is like following forever and then you can make a million fucking like sequels after that and like right will be jazzed
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like Like, I like, again, it's horror, so like i I feel like this is an apt metaphor, but it's like, there I do think there is a problem with digging up the grave of these already said and done franchises and trying to force them back into the general zeitgeist and like the main consciousness of ah pop culture, when it's like, it's just stuff like, it's like, we've been there, we've done that, we hit it. yeah Let's move forward, not let's not, like and like,
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And again, it's the cheapest, it's the easiest, they're gonna make a bunch of money. At the end of the day, a lot of these major studios, they're trying to make money. Obviously, that's what it is. So coming from a more subjective point of view, it's like, okay, cool, but I don't wanna keep getting spoon-fed the same shit over and over again. The best horror movies that have come out in the past,
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10 years now are the ones that are the most original and like tell a different kind of a story and do a different take on stuff like uh again a 24 again but like the witch is a fantastic movie that uses the uh the uh like witch horror thing but it tells it in a much more visceral deep like subtle way than just like tackling on a broomstick and like doing and putting putting ah kids and fucking ah bubbling cauldrons and like stuff like that, you know? Like, it makes it, like... Which, I mean, she does kind of like, you know, massive, massive baby, I bet. A cauldron, but that's all. Yeah, but like exactly. But, like, instead of it being, like, like kind of, like, Disney-fied almost, where it's, like, kind of comical and stuff, it's fucking brutal. And it's like... That's one of the... No, this is what this would actually look like. This is how this would actually go. like That's one of the most
Horror’s Simplicity and Generational Appeal
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shocking sequences. and Love it. The the last, like...
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10 years. oh it's one of my it's one of my It's one of my absolute favorites. Quick story. That was one of those horror movies that is a top five for me forever because um Nick and I and ah whoever he was dating at the time, we tried to watch it in the middle of the day, which is like, come on, my sta mistake like like in college, like after it kind of like got to like streaming or we could find it or whatever river on the tiny TV we had at the time, middle of the day.
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None of us were really paying attention. They speak in that, like, middle English language in the 1600 Puritan language and stuff, so it's really hard to fucking focus on it. And we were like, okay, whatever, and we kind of, like, gave up before we got to the end of it, and we were like, well, let's just do something else. We were like, oh, this is supposed to be good, and you know me. I mean, you remember me in
Reboots vs. Remakes: Artistic Value
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college. I was super artsy-fartsy about about movies, and was like, I'm only gonna watch the best quality movies. Those are real fucking douchebag about it. I'm not gonna lie. I've calmed down a lot, just so everybody knows. But like at the time, I was like, oh, um it's October, so I need to watch more movies. I'm only going to watch the most fancy-schmancy, like, frou-frou one. So we went to watch whatever. The next two weeks after we gave up on it, didn't even finish it, because like we couldn't pay attention. I had certain scenes. I just kept seeing in my head as I was going to sleep.
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Yeah. I just could not get out of my head, and I was like, okay, fine. I just have to rewatch this. like I'm going to give it another shot. Everybody was gone. like Nobody was in the house. It was super late at night. I turned off all the lights, and I just focused in on it. and I was like, this is one of the best horror movies I've ever fucking seen.
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play on it's hard hard digggression from what we were talking about but Yeah. But like but look back to our our point where you're talking about, like it like again, don't like you can you can tell these same stories and redress it in a way that people, like it's like it's like you know most people like will probably be like, oh, this is kind of just like this, but it's like, ah, but it's different, which I think like the Terrifier series that everybody's really obsessed with.
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the If the you come near him in his domain, in his area, he's gonna fucking kill you. And people are crazed for it. And apparently the second one already jumps the shark and gets into a weird thing. I haven't seen the second and third. Well, the third one's currently out. I haven't seen the second one. But apparently the second one, somebody at work was explaining to me yesterday was like, yeah, I watched the first and second one. And the first one, whatever. It was entertaining enough. And he's like, second one, they try to get a little more plot.
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there's like they'd go to a different dimension or something. And I'm like, oh my God, they're already going to space. Like they're already hitting, going to space. Already in Jason X levels. Yeah, exactly. Like they're already doing that. I was like, all right. And then I've heard the third one, the new one that's currently like out is like apparently pretty solid and stuff. And like, even Sean Nancy was talking about it on Twitter and one of the Ruad Fools guys.
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yeah exactly and it's like ah but like at the end of the day that story is the same fucking slasher tropes and stuff like that and like with even less plot and probably even less to say than Halloween and Friday the 13th have to say yeah like they have they have something to say at the end so but people love it like Well, so I think that brings a secondary question to what we were asking at the very beginning. Why is more you know constantly remade? They would have answered that, but then my follow-up question is, okay, but why do they make it? Obviously, it makes so much money. I think it really it makes so much money because you're taking that
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IP and You know, you're telling a lot of times to the story's detriment the same story with you know a little tweet here and there and I think you know between like We've talked about Texas Chainsaw right then Friday 13th like between you know, the early 2000s to like the late 20 teens you had a lot of these horror remakes, but I think with You know, while that was very lucrative, none of them are super memorable.
Trends in Horror Remakes: Art vs. Commerce
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Yeah. And I think Warrer is taking that same formula nowadays of taking IP that people are familiar with and making a story to bring in a lot of viewers because they're familiar with the IP. I think 24 is actually doing that with original stories. Yes, exactly. So like you were saying, the witch, obviously people are super familiar with.
00:17:43
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with a witch and how it ties in into folklore and things like that, but they're telling an original story. So people are showing up to that movie because they're familiar with the IP, but they're staying and they're remembering it because it's a good movie. Another, yeah I think, very good example is
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I admittedly have not seen Pearl or Maxine yet, but X is one of my favorites. I haven't seen Pearl or Maxine yet either. it's I'm going to do it by the end of this month for sure. I have to for sure. But X is a combination of like Friday the 13th and Texas Chainsaw with some other themes in there.
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That is IP that people are familiar with, you know, there's an older couple that's mad about these young people, you know, having sex and they kill them. Yeah, they're doing drugs, they're having sex and they're they're being punished for it, which is like what? That's Friday the 13th and then you also have the setting of Texas Chainsaw pretty much. And like, I don't, I don't care. It doesn't feel like a ripoff to me. it is No. It's enough of an original story that I feel like I'm watching an old movie.
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while enjoying these new ideas and I think this new generation of horror is doing it right. A24 is the new IP. like Now people will literally just show up to a movie to hear it's A24 because it has created so many new ah original stories that are familiar enough And I think I think that while it is not obviously a remake. I do think they are replicating that remake formula Exactly. Yeah, that's that's what I want at the end of the day I want like you can remake the formula don't put Jason on it don't put yeah ready on it like don't like we're like they they've their stories have been said and done and I think and like we're good like we're we're just genuinely good on those IPs and stuff Michael Myers
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We're good. We're done. how to be so we've tried We've tried that one
Cultural Impact of Horror Remakes
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three different times. yeah we tried out there we've tried to yeah we have the o g We got the We got the OG ones, the first two. I'll say the first two were the OG. And then I love Season of the Witch. but That's a whole different discussion. ah But then you bring Michael back. And so like that's the first time they tried to reboot it. And then you got Rob Zombie. And then you got the 2018 going. Yes.
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you have it like three different regions of Halloween and we're good we're we're good like on on my I love Michael Myers I love Halloween but like we're we're set on it and I think one hour and so it's it's just very interesting because like I think what it is is like because you know it's one of those things too because like in the like 2000s and stuff is when the people who were watching like the OG Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween, Friday the 13th, like watching all those OG ones and the horror of it is like you know, teens who are doing stuff they're not supposed to, they're having sex, right they're doing drugs, they're drinking, they don't care about school, and they get punished for it, you know what I mean? Like that, like that was the thing, and that's what scared, like it was like something that their parents were scared of, that if they do these things they will die, and then you bring in the slasher who
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comes and kills them the slasher you know being metaphorically like the bad things that they are doing catching up to them kind of thing and then those people grow up they have kids And so, oh, it's the 2000s now, they have kids, they they're scared of these things happening to their kids now. so But instead of redoing it, like like doing what A24 is doing now with the next generation that's come, they just like copy paste and try to like modernize it and tell the same story, but it just doesn't work. because they Because those kids probably had already seen those fucking movies. Like when they were like,
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12 years old. It's like nat like like now that you're a teen and stuff, it's like, oh, there's a new one out. like I don't give a shit. You know what I mean? like like Because like we're millennials, but like we're on the tail end of millennials. So like millennials like like right in the middle and stuff, like they were like those movies were coming out. They were teens. like That was targeted to like, this is what happens to you. And they're like, yeah, but I've seen the OG Texas Chainsaw Friday the 13th Halloween like a million times and like like like yeah it's scary but like that that message is not resonating with me and stuff so that's why I like A24 and like other type of movies that are like telling the same kind of stories with a different take because it's like it is getting that message a little bit more through I feel like the ones in 2000 like
00:22:45
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They'll get it. It's enough. like I feel like the OG once had a more pointed point. You know what I mean? like ah like They were like, we want... like This is kind of what we're trying to like social commentary do. and Instead of those, people will get the social commentary. Anyway, there's boobs. There's fucking... There's fucking more boobs and stuff. Oh, but she showed her boobs, so she's fucking dead. like And like all that stuff. It's
Nostalgia and Innovation in Horror Remakes
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very Cabin in the Woods. That's why Cabin in the Woods came out.
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Right. 2012, 2013, something like that. 2012, yeah. like like ah That came out because like I genuinely think that movie was made to make fun of all of these remakes. Oh, absolutely. Because they were so obviously formulaic without like tweaking it that they were they weren like,
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There's a there's a ritual to it and stuff and like but we gotta to do it to save the world I love capital woods by the way that is a fucking great horror spoof in the best possible way Yeah, arguably one of the most important horror spoofs ever. It's so fucking good. Okay, and I might I um might rewatch that the next few days. I haven't seen that a few years It's so fucking good. Well, like I feel like that is like like i don't want to just be like go watch cabin in the woods and you'll get what we're trying to talk about okay bye turn off the podcast like we have more talk mountain foot like you could just you watch cabin in the woods if you if you're trying to understand more what we're saying that's a great way to do it in a really beautiful fun way um yeah it's just it's weird it's weird and what's funny about that movie because like that movie has chris hinsworth right and he was already Thor
00:24:16
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Like he had already become Thor. And people were like, what the fuck? how was he in is because this movie That movie got in pre-production hell. They shot the entire movie and he was like on the come up when he got cast in that movie. And so when they released it, it did really well because people were like, Chris Hemsworth is in this weird horror movie? Like, hell yeah, but i Thor? Like, he's in there? Like, let's watch it and stuff.
00:24:36
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honestly why I watched it cuz I was like oh that's crazy he's he's in the middle of doing all this Marvel stuff but now he's doing this on the side was till after I saw it that I learned all that but um right yeah I just think it's a I just think it's so interesting like that ah there was a like pause in the retelling of these stories, like, like, after nice yeah, like, like, the like, like, I think I really think having in the woods was like, hey, horror genre, like, hey, studios, we gotta change it up. We all know we're not scared anymore. And like, it's not getting the message across. I will say no. So outside of retelling lessons, I didn't think something that
00:25:23
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propelled the remake yeah know Renaissance in that period we're talking about was not only like trying to get any messages across. I really think it was because I remember this very vividly. and I think it wanted to try and capture a new age group into these horror movies by just redoing movies at their parents.
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You know, like when Texas Chainsaw, like,
Generational Appeal and Artistic Expression
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cause I mean, I would have been eight when the Texas Chainsaw remake came out. So I certainly did not see it, but I remember seeing, you know, the trailers on cable television and being like, Oh my God, like this looks like the scariest thing I've ever made. And then my dad would be like, Oh yeah, I remember that when that really came out set like that movie was insane. Like it was so terrifying. Yeah. And so I think it's, I think it's trying to draw, you know, a new era on
00:26:24
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a brand new audience that is coming of age. I think because in 2009, when that Friday the 13th remake came out, I think, because I hadn't seen any Friday the 13th at that point, so I just assumed all of it at JSIC because I thought for sure when I saw Friday the 13th for the first time, I was like, okay, well, where is he? I thought that this was- Where the fuck is he? I think it was just kind of,
00:26:50
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using the cheat code of these kids and these teenagers already having an idea of what these movies were like without already seeing them being like, oh, well, I'm certainly interested in a new version because you know when you're a teenager, when you're a kid, you think, well, certainly the newest version.
00:27:07
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like There's no way a brand new version of this is not going to be an improvement on the old ones. I think that's why they draw so many people in. I guess the Warheads who love the originals probably are going to go see the remakes, but are they really that excited about them? Probably. At this point, no.
00:27:30
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a memorable, well-done movie. I mean, no. It's like they've had decades of sequels that have also, despite how much I love to watch the Halloween sequels and the they're all in garbage except for the first two. That's just how that is. like They air are objectively Pouring in movies that yeah, I like for nostalgia sake. I like yeah, I like watching all of them. I have all I have the first five Halloween movies in 4k scream factory edition the best editions you can get awesome because I just love it so much but like I Only ever really watch one and two. Yeah, and then I watch and then I'll watch three every once in a while when I guess like again, I
00:28:15
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Maybe we could do that next year, maybe we could talk about Season of the Witch next year, but I am a yeah fucking huge defender of that movie. I'll watch that one like every once in a while, because I'm like, just the story behind this, it's one of those things. it's like Honestly, that may be one of the first examples of, don't attach it to this franchise. If you release that movie as just Season of the Witch, yeah it is a fantastic movie for the time it came out.
00:28:40
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And i will i will like good like I will die on that fucking hill. Yeah, but I mean, they got shit on because people were expecting Michael Myers. Where's Jason? or Where's Michael? Where's Michael? The entire time. Which is why they made such a big deal about him coming back in the fourth one. And I think you had mentioned the fourth one earlier.
00:29:01
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I think that's really just an example of another, it's it's a reboot. like it's it's yeah it's it's i know ah it like It's it is certainly marketed as a sequel and it is a sequel in the fact that it has that connective tissue with you know the little girl being the daughter of Laura and all that. but like yeah That's it. like and Michael being you know the the main villain you know is certainly connective tissue, but it's really just a reboot.
00:29:28
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I think you could argue that it's like The Force Awakens and the fact that like it's basically just Halloween one, but like not as iconic, not as good. yeah Yeah, for sure. The Force Awakens really got everybody jazzed up because it was very much like ah New Hope yeah and stuff. and like People were like, at the real time- Oh yeah, no. ah It's certainly not the same. Not the time. but i the The I like force awakens. I like last Jedi. There's problems with rise of Skywalker for sure I enjoy watching like but like I I'm a complete fucking Star Wars not dude Like I will never talk shit about any star I can again I have a whole fucking podcast this whole podcast is about me finding the good or bad and stuff I get any Star Wars thing that ever come out. No questions asked so like I But I remember watching, going and seeing, being like, oh my god, there's another Star Wars movie coming out, and basically watching A New Hope, I came out of the movie crying, because I was so happy that there was no Star Wars, and it looked so good, and fucking Han Solo died, and I was like, oh my fucking god, this is so fucking crazy, there's Chewie, oh my god, I'm freaking out. And I feel like again, but I feel like that,
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that ah reference
Remakes vs. Originals: Creative Integrity
00:30:50
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definitely ties into like what we're talking about and stuff like I don't understand how um I don't know it's just one of those things it's it's one of those like studio interference things with the Halloween franchise because like like the whole plan was we're going to release Halloween and this is a slasher movie and then they're like and now our next movie is good like we're going to franchise it but it's going to be almost like and like an anthology where it's like right and so now Another movie another Halloween movie is gonna come out, but it's a different story Michael's gone but and it's something about It's something that we're like the like ah climax happens on Halloween like it's like and in studio interference They're like no we made so much money on this dirt cheap fucking movie like you have to do a direct sequel you have to do a direct sequel because we're gonna capitalize on this the fucking carpenters like
00:31:47
Speaker
Fucking okay and stuff. And then they fucking put out a fucking banger, dude. did It was so fucking good. And they're like, can we go back to doing what we originally gonna do? And they're like, yeah, you killed him. It's fine. like Like, he's dead, dead. No way we can resurrect him. Wink. Like, nice it'll be totally fine. And ah so then they do season of the witch. Everybody's like, where the fuck is Michael? So then fucking resurrection comes out and like, yeah, and here we are and stuff. And ah right yeah, I just think it just like,
00:32:18
Speaker
It's just a very interesting thing to do, like maybe like, trying to retell these stories. Like, I love your point about A24 and, like, The Witch. Like, it's like, everybody knows witches. I think it's market like a marketing genius, like, to just call this movie The Witch. Yeah. And then spell it in a weird way with two Vs, because they didn't have Ws back then. Right. As, like, an actual, like,
00:32:47
Speaker
form of their language and stuff and everybody was sold it was like ready to go yeah but it's literally just it's just classic tale of witches that people have heard forever and yeah and people love it again top five for
00:33:02
Speaker
all right let's ah So i think I think we have a pretty good consensus on like why this is the genre that gets remade the most, like what they're trying to do, pros and cons of it. like Again, like I think we're in a a ah renaissance, as Ted Mosby would say, um how I met your mother, shout out how I met your mother, um of horror. And we're getting back to originality while still telling the same kind of stuff that scares people.
00:33:29
Speaker
and stuff like that. um ah ah because like ah i mean ah Real quick, there was a I haven't seen the first Omen yet, but I've heard a lot of people say the first Omen was fucking good. They were like, the Omen, the OG Omen is amazing, and they're like and then the first Omen is the second best one. It was like, fuck, I need to see it, because I've seen like at least two or three of the sequels. It was like, yeah, the first one's great, the rest is just weird dog shit, but apparently the first Omen is like solid as fuck and stuff. Have you seen that one?
00:33:58
Speaker
I haven't, you know. I've been recommended by people I trust like vehemently about horror and they're like, you need to watch that shit. And I'm like, okay, damn. So I think we're we're even with like the major IP stuff, we're kind of trying to, we're getting back into a ah place of like some originality, even with IP. So I think think we're almost there. I think we're almost there, you know? So that that brings me to asking you before we talk about you know the the list of things that we, the list of ones that we like and dislike.
00:34:27
Speaker
yeah I think we talked about the cons, but why what outside of the the the monetary gifts that these movies bring Do you think there is ever a true artistic reason for a remake, soft reboot, sequel that's basically a remake, however you want to call any of these things? Because I do think there is a spectrum, of course. um yeah because There's obviously shot for shot remakes, and then there's you know kind of like the Alabama force that we're talking about. Do you ever think there's an artistic reason to do it that that truly makes sense?
00:35:10
Speaker
Honestly, I would I'm gonna say I'm going to say no. I don't think there is. I don't think so because like, I mean, I'm sure I get, I haven't seen every reboot and remake that's ever been and stuff. And if we're going to talk about, uh, like I, I will just, I outright refuse to talk about, uh, the Vince Vaughn, uh, shot for shot remake and psycho yeah right and do it. I don't have enough. This podcast doesn't need to be that long and I don't need to get that mad today. I'm having a pretty solid day. So I've never, I've never seen it. Honestly. I did and it was a it was a punishment to myself. I don't know what was wrong with me and why I sat through all of it. Good lord god that was a waste of a time. That was just such a waste of so much money so much anyway anyway anyway um got jazzed up thank you. So then so but would you say I don't think would you say that like so would you include like the thing thing is
00:36:12
Speaker
Technically a remake, right? I mean... I think it's technically a remake of a movie that was based on a short story and stuff. um Yeah, you're right. That might be the exception to the rule. In my head, we were talking about all the 21st century remakes and stuff. I guess those? No, absolutely not. Like the Friday the 13th Nightmare on Elm Street, Texas Chainsaw. Yeah, absolutely gone. It robbed zombies Halloween.
00:36:49
Speaker
yeah mean um Yeah, I would say no on those. Uh-huh. But the thing, John Carpenter's the thing. I think, because I've read the short story, because the thing is amazing. That's ah who goes there, is that correct? Yes. Yeah, yeah. um That is the...
00:37:12
Speaker
Okay, you got me. Yeah, that one is that one is well because I had her artistic choice and telling of like the original short story just in general, but also it's one of those things is iss like in um ah The thing from another world the original one is that which is amazing. You said you watched that you stuck that watch that literally this morning Yeah, it's so fucking good, right? Like it's a really I loved it, dude Was that 54 5 something like I it was I mean it's black and white it was definitely in the 50s I get early exactlyly yeah somewhere somewhere between like 54 and 56 or something like that, um but uh
00:37:54
Speaker
yeah that one is a lot of fun and uh is a really good watch it has really good moments of like of like oh this is like especially at like at the time like like in the 50s like that would have been fucking really scary but i think one of my problems with that movie and i think The exception to the rule that I was just so like intensely saying is um ah without sounding like a complete fuck. ah it's just a It's weird saying this ah because I do think more women need to be in more movies in major roles and stuff. In that 50s one, they put women in that story because they wanted people to go see movies with attractive women. They put attractive, like the 50s was definitely one at the time of like, we need attractive women in this movie, so people will put, we can put butts in seats. That was one of the things they were doing inside. I mean, they were very, like jokingly, but they they referred to her as like a pin-off girl, like even though she's a very, very intelligent character. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of rough. Exactly. So, but like you get in there, but then you get into the the thing, ah like the John Carpenter's the thing, and there's no women in involved and stuff. and i And like, I think that is,
00:39:04
Speaker
I don't know. there's There's a place for romance and stuff and like will they want they kind of a storytelling? thing yeah yeah knock this This shit fucking happening is not the goddamn place but then also you know you got a lot of people who like if you look back at the thing they'd say it's a because it's just been there's it's a like unbeknownst to them at the time um it's allegorical for the AIDS crisis and Because it is just me
Motivations Behind Horror Remakes
00:39:30
Speaker
and thin stuff. And they don't know who is who is ah who is the thing and like stuff like that. Very interesting. And they literally do a blood test to figure out who it is. That took a point. I never thought about that. it's oh That's not an original thought. I've definitely read that, looking up stuff about the thing, and like kind of learning theories and stuff. like i' good I don't remember who said it, but it was definitely not me. I'm not going to take credit for it.
00:39:52
Speaker
But it's like it's crazy but it is crazy, right? like And so and I feel like that's a better story. like right like whether Whether you think about the the like AIDS crisis or not, it's just so interesting to see. ah I like that there's like no potentiality of like like, I don't know, I'm also just like the like like the ah damsel in distress thing comes up a lot in the the the thing from another world and stuff. And it's like, okay, but like, yeah, but like you said, like one of them one of the one of those damsels is a is a fucking smart person, like, and stuff, but like but like, but because she's a woman, like, it's a whole thing. Like, I don't know. Yeah. So I don't know. I think that that kind of ties into, so to to refresh the question,
00:40:40
Speaker
I don't know that there's ever a reason, and I agree with you, I don't think there's ever a reason to shot for shot more or less their gradients and that. like Psycho is literally a shot for shot well while like Rob Zombie's Halloween has its own ideas, but also does like the first movie, like the original movie, and the last word from it. I don't think there's really ever a reason for that.
00:41:04
Speaker
But if you're willing to take IP, take an original story and be like, you know what, I actually think I can put my end twist on this and make it better, which I think John Carpenter's the thing and it's like a full beautiful points better than the thing from another world. and my like In my personal opinion, um I think if you can do that,
00:41:26
Speaker
then absolutely, go for it. Or if you think you can put your own you know spin on it and tell a different perspective, even if it may not be better, it may be a different you know totally or whatever, it may be a different movie, I think that's fine. But then that begs the question, is that truly a remake?
00:41:44
Speaker
You know what I mean? Yeah, like yeah, so what what like what is so when I when I think remake I I also think of the Stupid Friday the 13th Texas Chainsaw. Yeah and ran yeah elmstream recordings you know exactly like I I feel like I feel like that so semantically like I feel like it's like There's a different so I feel like the thing is a reboot You know what I mean? like i feel like that I feel like when it comes down to like the actual word of remake and reboot, it's like a reboot is we're going to take this existing IP and modernize it and make it ah and like make it in a different artistic way.
00:42:27
Speaker
right And then a remake is, we're basically just gonna slap something together. This is the Texas Chainsaw, Friday the 13th, like early aughts, mid aughts, late aughts, like kind of stuff. um And I feel like that's kind of the big thing. It's like, I feel like the thing from another world is more about, I feel like it's like to get, cause like a lot, you know,
00:42:52
Speaker
like glory ray I feel like a lot of people think that like horror doesn't have anything to offer artistically and like ah in a way in a way that's like ah meaningful and stuff, and fuck that. Horror is super social commentary based. Get out. Get out. Look me in the face and tell me that horror doesn't do social commentary. Fucking get out. like All right, we're done talking. like That conversation's over. Don't use that. I feel like the thing from another world is atomic age.
00:43:20
Speaker
Horrible. You know what I mean? That's atomic agent. You got invasion of the body statures, which I'm going to talk about the the remake of those, because those are older remakes, too, the invasion of the body stack. And then you got the thing, which, again, is ah like like, again, got kind of like, <unk>s it's a different story with a different message to tell. and Completely different. it's so even and even work like like Not even doing the AIDS thing, it's civil war.
00:43:49
Speaker
like put the AIDS thing kind of like after the thing and stuff like that. Well, and the villain is just completely different too. I mean, yeah, it's an alien as well, but it's not this physical Frankenstein-esque alien monster that you have in the thing from the other world, which I actually, I thought I would not like her monster in the thing from another world.
00:44:27
Speaker
I was actually really sick that's why I told you that's why I told you to just watch it because I was like I can't hype up this monster too much because like if you're not expecting it and like you're just like oh yeah it's the thing is the one that John Carpenter like literally references in Halloween like they're watching it that night yeah and stuff like like yeah just watch it he really likes this movie and you'll see why like I was like just watch it just watch it if you can and so it's so fun that I really enjoyed it, but I do think that a good thing is a good example. You is can take that IP, you can take that idea, but do something different with it.
00:45:22
Speaker
getting heart pay homage and all that fun stuff. you don't Don't tell the same story. and Even if you do it pretty well, and I'm indicating degrees of that, even if you do it it pretty well, like I honestly, and we can talk about this in a sec, I think the Texas Chainsaw remake is actually a pretty decent horror movie.
00:45:45
Speaker
yeah and The whole time I'm watching the 2003 one or the Texas 3D, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D. No. I honestly have only seen the original original and they just feel like 2003 one. So the 2003 one, I actually think it's pretty decent. I think it's got some good scares and I think it has things going for it, but the whole time I'm sitting here and I'm like,
00:46:10
Speaker
Did this movie need to be remade? Like the first one is so singular, so unique. That's why I haven't seen any of the sequels because they're stupid and slapstick and like comedies that from what I've read. And the first one, that's just gonna make the first one not as scary to me. And the first one is so scary to me. And I just want that to live on. so I just think that If you're doing it in that like a true remake fashion, i um unless it's objectively a better movie, if the first one sucked and you were making it better, unless that is the case, I'm just gonna sit there wondering why you did it in the first place, you know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and I feel like with horror, it's a lot of the time, it's like, it's like no, like this movie's already good. like Why are you doing this? I feel like- Don't do this, yeah. like i get I get kind of upset about that like when it's like, oh, we're gonna read we're gonna make this like like the fucking ah the new ah Crow movie.
00:47:05
Speaker
and and's and um ba why would you i i haven't i have refused to see it are you ki me like though like there's no reason to remake the crow like like the sequels are bad but like the first one is fucking awesome dude that yeah fucking awesome no need to remake that and then they did and they even got ah fucking billkasard Yeah.
00:47:27
Speaker
like i or refuse refuse yeah Absolutely refused audience and critic scores alike or like fuck this. Why did this happen? This is not good feel like kind of just It's just so unnecessary sometimes And I think that a lot of the movies that we that we watched are pretty unnecessary A hundred percent. um So I am going to go back quick to we talked to briefly mentioned ah Invasion of the Body Snatchers. That is another classic example of a 50s movie immediately being remade in like the 80s and stuff and does have a different message. And so um so at so the OG one um was a ah atomic age
00:48:14
Speaker
Cold War scale, you know like yeah like like kind of a thing like the the commies are coming kind of
Need for Originality in Horror
00:48:20
Speaker
because like the thing from another world is more about like is more about like is like Cold War like is more like a nuclear reaction kind of like akin to like Godzilla Kind of a thing like what happens with all this radiation kind of a thing in my opinion um And so and then the thing is like we'll cult like as a political Cold War right kind of um ah invasion of the body snatchers was a ah the red scare ah kind of Like ah the commies are taking over kind of a thing um which ah which is funny except I watched an interview with ah one of the main dudes in it and I
00:48:57
Speaker
He was like, yeah, no, we never even thought about that. Like we just thought this story was cool. Like Insta never even thought about yeah like i love bit she like that. But it does really fit well with what was going on. Accidental, beautiful social commentary. i Always a lot of fun. yeah I love stuff like that.
00:49:16
Speaker
it's It's great what audiences are are willing to project on to things, but I feel like that just deepens a lot of in mystery for movies. Yeah. Absolutely. and Then you've got the 80s one, ah Jeff Goldblum. I can't remember. I cannot remember the main dude's name. Holy shit. I'm going to get crucified for this. Oh my God. Hang tight. again It's been a while since I've seen it.
00:49:44
Speaker
I'm working on it. Also, 1978, so this one was also- Oh, yeah, Donald Sutherland. That's it. I know what Lily's just talking to me about. But yeah, that one, that one's all about consumerism and stuff. That's about people, their bodies being snatched and falling into hardcore consumerism and stuff.
00:50:07
Speaker
And I hate that movie. I hate the Sutherland and the Dancer genre. I hate the Sutherland invasion of the Body Snatchers. I get it. I get it. I get why people love it.
00:50:19
Speaker
hi the first time I tried to watch it, but not even late at night fell asleep, was so fucking bored. and Was so fucking bored. There's some great moments in it. That's one of those ones where like, it's it's one of those ones where they're like, we can tell the same story, but do a new social commentary on it. and ah It's been 20 years on, we get our visual effects are getting better, and like a lot of the like actual like people, like in the pods, like turning into the new people, being like changed into the new people, looks really cool and like yeah works really well and stuff, but just I am just like, I don't care. I don't know. i just like I did not care as much as when I watched the, and I'm much, much, much, much more
00:51:08
Speaker
ah related to ah fucking the horrors of consumerism than I am to the horrors of ah the ah Cold War. you know right um I mean obviously still Cold War is still happening constantly, but like right but like that consumerism and is ah very scary to me like uh in a lot of different ways and stuff it but like i just like i'm just like i don't know man i just don't i'm just not live it just doesn't do it for me and that's fair man which is insane to well a lot of people i feel like like i've told a few people about that like at work and stuff and i'm like like oh yeah evasion of the body statues and i'm like yeah the one the og one right and they're like
00:51:52
Speaker
They're like, oh, like, no, the, the Southern one. And I'm like, eh. And they're yelling at me. And then I'm getting yelled at at work for my opinion. right Like, yeah. I'm like, okay, man. Have you even seen it? And they're like, yeah, I've seen it. And I'm like, okay, well, I don't know what to tell you. like yeah look They don't always say it, you know, but, um, I think then, uh,
00:52:13
Speaker
I think that it is still, nonetheless, I mean, i one of those movies that it it's certainly like couldn't think that it exists and that they tried something new. I completely understand why that movie is a classic and why people love it. and like they and It was is a very important movie. it's honestly ah to do it again it's like my opinions on nirvana i don't finish it about nirvana but i absolutely respect and understand that yeah and without them i would not be listening to the music i listen to today right love so much like and everything like that's how i feel about ah the southern invasion of the body s thatchers ah there's a lot of movies i would not be fucking seeing because that may be, ah if that movie had never come out. So but I get it, I respect it. I don't i do not watch it. i't know I watch the OG one all the fucking time. Love that fucking movie.
00:53:07
Speaker
um yeah just like play I feel like, honestly, maybe part of it is it has it's like watching a full-feature Twilight Zone episode. and That might be part of it, because it isn't black and white. It's told in that way. It's shot similarly because it's the 50s, so like a lot of sci-fi was shot like cinematography-wise, like shot a lot of the same way, so like and I absolutely love the Twilight Zone. ah so you know maybe that is part of it and it's like the 80s or the 78 one uh was like shot like any other 80s or 70s movie was and stuff and i was like well but this just isn't as interesting you know like to me and stuff so there's a lot of different reasons why but i understand it's
00:53:51
Speaker
um I mean, it is what it is. So what is, we've been talking a lot of shit, I feel like, about remakes and stuff. What do you think is, even if it's not your favorite, what do you think is the best remake or reboot, whatever?
00:54:13
Speaker
yeah that has come out in the past yeah however long ah i would say oh would like look i will i will shorten the distance i will say in the past like one a year what do you think is the best reboot remake of a like horror movie that like maybe should have not been roomade been remade, and you were like, actually, this kind of fucks. Like, what do you think? I would argue two would. One is one that I've already talked about a little bit, it's so I'll keep it short. I actually think the Texas Chainsaw in 2023, which I don't know, that was 21 years ago, but or 2003. But I think that is- It's just 2000. It's just 2000, there you go. I think
00:55:01
Speaker
You know um yeah but but like there's some modern ones that are actually generally really good but like if anybody comes at me And it's like the fake John carpenters a thing is in a good movie. You can just stop listening right, right? like I don't give a shit. I want more followers, but I don't give a fuck if you have that opinion Don't even talk to me. Don't even listen to me talk ah like Obviously, that's the number one answer. Yes, right um But I do think that the 2003 text change was actually pretty good. I I have a lot of notes on it, a couple of the big things. I find that Leatherface in that movie is but not legitimately terrifying. I don't think the mask is as scary, um but I do think he is like maybe one point lower, but barely
00:55:51
Speaker
like relatively in the same amount of scariness to the first leather face, um you know the way he broadens just all of it. It really ties up. I think that the setting is really good. I think the characters are really good I did not expect to like Jessica Biel's performance. Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, that one, i I need to rewatch that one. It's been a long time, ah it but like it's is it is genuinely shocking how much I like cared about the people we were getting chased by, chased by web face. Fuck, dude, this is actually working a little bit. I'm not going to disagree with that. i
00:56:35
Speaker
I think it's really good. I actually find the way that they get themselves in the situation to be a little more fun. Can you ah remind me of that? I remember certain scenes, but like plot points, I don't know. How how do they get there? so instead of you know In the first one, there's a bunch of graves getting dug out. They're checking out the grave of their, I believe, their grandfather or their uncle.
00:57:00
Speaker
And then they you know run out of gas and they end up hanging out of the place and that's when they fall into the the ah the leather face Situation and I mean like that one is is a lot, you know with Which I think makes it a more effective movie. But in this one they're going to a Leonard Skinner concert and They pick up ah ah another hitchhiker and then she shoots herself in the head in their van. And then it's a, holy shit, we need to figure this out. yeah um And then they call her as a leather-faced trap. yeah I think that and premise is actually really soft. Yeah, that's that's actually and it's actually insane. yeah yeah i'm i'm remember I'm seeing it in my head now that you're like, I don't know how the fuck I forgot about that. Honestly, really good. And um a couple of other things that I'll highlight that are different from the first one.
00:57:51
Speaker
It is uh, wing the cop which is uh, his name is escaping me right now, but it's the uh drill sergeant from um Full metal kubrick, uh full metal full metal jacket. Yeah, um There's you know, he it turns out, you know, he's kind of part of the leather face family so he's he's seeing the you know answering his call about the suicide as a way to you know draw them into the trap. right um But there's a scene where he finds marijuana in the car, and he's telling them all to get on the ground. And it makes one of the guys put the gun in his mouth to like really make sure that a suicide... And honestly, dude, it it has me on the edge of my seat. It's so well done. And it was in this moment
00:58:45
Speaker
Because some of the weather-based stuff has already happened, but the only scene is happening. right So it's in this moment that I'm like, wait a minute, and this doesn't need to be a remake. This could be its own movie. Very similar to Grain Room, where yeah these people just find themselves in this messed up situation they can't get out of that involves murderous people.
00:59:05
Speaker
green room is a that's a perfect example of a texas chainsaw type movie that is so fucking good but is basically the same fucking thing when you break it down to its porch structure and stuff. green room is Fucking awesome. It's it's a like I think it's a 10 out of 10 movie and i want to it one like it's like it's got the vibe of Texas Chainsaw yeah Yeah, it does and it's the fucking it's fucking Brad dude. Yeah, green room's awesome, dude oh yeah such a commitment and This movie
00:59:37
Speaker
Even though, I will say, I think Leatherface is actually really good in this movie. I think the Chainsaw sequences are really, really good. I think if this movie had just been its own thing about the cop in this backwoods area, like putting them into this situation that they can't get out of, you know and maybe like maybe there are some townspeople who end up you know killing them or whatever, I think this would be a legitimately
Artistic Challenges of Horror Remakes
01:00:00
Speaker
great movie. But outside of it, you knowm not needing to insist, um I do think that this movie falls into, I think we can we could say the same about Nightmare and Friday the 13th, this movie falls into some of pitfalls of that early 2000s horror that I don't like.
01:00:19
Speaker
There's a lot of orchard porn in this movie. yeah I am not into that level of horror. I think it's just annoying. You don't like hostels? You don't like hostels? Nah, dude. Hostel. It's a lot. The Saw sequels. I think they're all really bad. Yeah, Saw 1 is great. Everything else is just like- Is garbage and in my opinion. yeah I'm with you on that for sure. This movie is just so in-spirited.
01:00:44
Speaker
Like in not a realistic way. But I do think this movie is fairly effective. The other sequel that I do, or the other remake. I do think it's really, really good. Way better than The Texas Chainsaw. One that I actually think is fantastic is The Evil Dead, 2,000 military big by Jenny Alvarez. I think that movie is amazing. 100%, dude. i That movie is insanely good. cause like don't you wrong like
01:01:18
Speaker
i mean a and 2 is basically just, is like honestly like kind of a remake of the first one. It's yeah kind of the same story, but like I like Evil Dead 1 more because of its simplicity, you know, like and stuff, but the the the read that that's one I will say is a reboot. That's like, that's a reboot. Like if we're going to go back to the semantics of it. For a sure. because that ah and jokeby dude it It's so good and it obviously takes
01:02:05
Speaker
a lot of the first movie. you know It's a very similar setting. um You do have a couple of shots that they kind of redo. You know they and you have the the tree scene, which is less sexual in nature in in the reboot than it is in the yeah the first Evil Dead, but still similar. and then you know you have sequence where Mia's character in this movie, but I forget the name of the other character in the first one, but where she's like, her head is popping out of the basement floor. I think that's almost a shot. That's exactly the same, but outside of that, it's a completely different movie. So I have to say, review I think it's a reboot, and I actually cut an album as
01:02:48
Speaker
um about in a twin conversation, I think he retweeted something that basically confirms he actually views this as a sequel. But that's the beauty of the Evil Dead universe. Yes. none of it The timeline doesn't make sense. Like he said, Evil Dead 2 is Kind of just Evil Dent 1, but with without the whole gang and it's more of like a comedy and it's like out it's almost like a Twilight Zone movie as well. I think and where it's just like none of it really makes sense. It's all just kind of bending reality and and going from there. So I think that this movie definitely benefits from the fact that you can do anything in the Evil Dent universe and and but nobody would work it.
01:03:33
Speaker
you know Yeah, 100%. No, I totally agree, dude. That movie's so fucking good, dude. That movie's so fucking good. It's insane. It's insane how how much I like that movie, especially with like saying like ah the ah the Friday of the 13th in 2009, because that movie came out, because the Evil Dead one came out in 2013.
01:03:56
Speaker
but It was like, well, I fucking love the fucking Evil Dead. I'm going to fucking watch this. Like, even though I've been, you know, fucking abused by these remakes like and stuff like very recently and stuff like that one was. I'm so glad I watched that. So glad I actually sat down and watched that. um It's it's OK. Yeah, it's ridiculous. good um And i I think that and The Evil Dead in comparison to some of the movies that we're talking about, even though it doesn't, I think this is an example of another reason that it may actually be necessary to do a remake or a reboot. Yes. Even though it is telling a very similar story.
01:04:41
Speaker
One of the malignant attractions of the original, that Sam Raimi called that is that it is an effects and gore fest. In 1978, I believe when the first one came out, you had a lot of limitations and Sam Raimi did phenomenal with those limitations, but in 2013,
01:05:01
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you have an opportunity to do not exactly the same story, but go for that same effect in the studio. Beck's better. And I do think that's a reason to to remake something. you know if you can yeah If you can take something and just, like you were saying, modernize it and make what made that Ruby good even better, yeah go for it. And that's what he did here. And yeah I think that absolutely it works.
01:05:26
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no doubt in my mind. I 100% agree. I have no fucking disagreement with that. like It's ridiculously good. The effects are insane. The effects are insane. The story is actually really interesting. I cared about the characters, and less so especially the main character and like what was happening and stuff. like So fucking good. Oh my god, and I think the premise is really interesting too and it's ah you know Yeah, new she's there to you know, get her with draws and stuff. I think it's great exactly Yeah, like that like take on it was really fucking cool. Yeah, very interesting It just just works it just works so fucking well like that was one I was not mad about like by any means um So I will say one that is not in the 21st century, but I
01:06:16
Speaker
you would I would be remiss if I didn't mention Bram Stoker's Dracula, the Coppola Dracula, is 100% the best Dracula movie that's ever been made. Wow. 100%. I have reread that book more than any book I've ever read in my life, and um like five times, and ah that is the mo that is the closest like
Cultural Reflections Through Horror
01:06:40
Speaker
adaptation you could ever get.
01:06:43
Speaker
even with Keanu Reeves like i people talk shit about him on that movie and stuff no he he nails it he nails Jonathan Harker in that movie that's exactly how Jonathan Harker is dude and like fucking Gary Oldman. Oh my fucking God. I mean, like, it's my fucking doctor dude, fucking everything about that movie absolutely fucking slaps. But oh yeah if we're going to get into a couple that are a modern one, the 21st century ones, the first one that I am super, the first one that came to my mind that I was
01:07:20
Speaker
lezedly surprised by and is a little bit more of a deep cut i think um for some forb some people ah newperia movie and was fucking awesome. The OG one is in fucking sane in the best way. You're talking like that bright red blood yeah kind of thing. like that I love that bright like red blood. like I love watching old horror movies and it's like and it's like it's not the like modernized like ah high fructose corn syrup like with like the dye and it like actually is like like a maroonie blood red and stuff that like it's just straight red blood and stuff that og1 is so fucking good one of my favorite the movies and stuff but the new one uh that the take on it though like modernized they modernized it and though there's certain scenes in that movie that I was like holy shit this fits with what's happening in the story in such a way that is and like it's a ah approaching it um
01:08:33
Speaker
like the like foreshadowing uh kind of element is approaching what is actually going on in this place in such a fucking awesome way and in the end of the new one like is a little bit different in a way that i'm like oh my god are they gonna make more of these like are they gonna make another one like there's like a little bit of a thing like Oh my god, they can actually make more? I'm glad that they have it. They obviously haven't, because that was 2018 when that one came out. It's two hours and 30 minutes long. OG ones, it's back in the day, so it's barely even two hours. 80 minutes. Yeah, 85 to 90 minutes tops. It tells a story, but this one is a much slower approach. I feel like
01:09:27
Speaker
I feel like starting in 2015, 2014 even maybe like people like studios realize that audiences will sit in a theater for and almost three hours if not three and a half hours to watch something if it's good. Yeah. And I feel like they did a really good job with this one. It's just like the way the ah like you've seen the OG one, right? Yes, it's been a real long time now.
01:09:52
Speaker
have you seen the have you seen this one i haven't you need to watch this one dude yeah mean i i love i love the Yeah, directors. I mean, I'm very, very interested. And that's the crazy part, dude. He's the fucking director, so you know it's going to be good. They gave him two hours and 30 minutes to tell this fucking insane story of a fucking American dancer going internationally to learn dance. And then spoiler alert, it's a fucking witch coven that she's wrapped up in. Tilda Swinton in this movie is fucking insane.
01:10:26
Speaker
he She's She plays a dude. She plays an old man in this movie in a way that is so fucking awesome. like It's so fucking good. and then like just like the The way the narrative like plays out in this one, much slower burn, and like like but then there's like that again that like foreshadowing like there's a certain scene and you'll know it when you see it I'll describe it just briefly but it's like a it's like a they they're like practicing their dance and there's like like a juxtaposition like practicing the dance some some fucked up shit practicing dance some fucked up shit
01:11:06
Speaker
like like honestly kind of like how like a ah way back to the very first episode alien three where it's like the funeral rights but it looks like someone's dead but then the birth of the dim not dim a dog but the like xenomorph dog like that yeah very similar like that where it's like these two things are happening and one's like kind of normal and then one's like just like what the fuck is like going on like in a way that's like just like so unsettling even like because i was like i know what this movie is like you know like this is like a direct like like we are remaking
01:11:39
Speaker
and stuff. It's like, it's going to be the same story, like kind of a thing. But it was, the approach for this was so fucking insane. Like it just, I love this. I love, love the 2018 Suspiria. I think it ah absolutely fucking slaps. I think I'm going to say, ah just to throw a second one in there too, that's really good is um the fucking rain, dude. ah with Naomi Watts.
01:12:10
Speaker
Yeah. Way back in 2002. Holy fucking shit, that movie scared the fuck out of me. Oh, God, dude. Oh, fucking God. Yeah. I was definitely way too young to watch it when I watched it for the first time. I think we all were, dude. I think we all were. That was one of those movies that you rented it from Blockbuster on a night where your friend was staying over, and it was like, he'd be 13, so your parents were like,
01:12:39
Speaker
Yeah, you'll be fine. It'll be fine. And it's not fine. It's absolutely terrifying. And I think- Absolute fucking nightmare. That is a really interesting, I hope that especially at that time.
01:12:55
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you To bring foreign film a you often to in the United States, sometimes people remain stuff, especially with an horror, because a lot of people weren't going to watch it with them. It was working to watch it otherwise. Sometimes that doesn't work, other times it does, um but I think that this was certainly an example of it of it working because obviously yeah I would consider the ring a horror.
01:13:23
Speaker
you know Yeah, exactly. And like this like the grudge obviously is like a is like another one of those where it's a Japanese horror that yeah got remade ah for American audiences and stuff. And like that one's really good too, but I think the ring hits it a little bit better. like For the like bringing it over and Americanizing it, I think it works a little bit better. It was a little bit scary and stuff. right The grudge the garage fucking scared the shit out of me too. Oh, of course, yes. so I think ah the ring was just... There was just something about it, and it it made it was such a staple. Like, for how long? like I think we just got maybe...
01:14:01
Speaker
It's probably been about like six or seven years now where people ah have stopped doing the seven days on the phone thing. We just stopped doing that. We just stopped doing that within the past six or seven years. like ah like so That bit was around for 15 years. like People were always doing that shit.
01:14:23
Speaker
like in stuff and it was always fucking awesome and like like ah fuck that movie's insane and then the fucking uh like the weird vhs thing and so many people like parody that just like for fun with like doing like the most random bullshit and stuff it's like it just like became such a such a uh like part of the like general zeitgeist and stuff yes i feel like it's stuck with people a lot more um like Again, don't get me wrong, scare the shit out of me. like yeah I was ah way too young to watch it, so like maybe I'm a little biased on it, but it was just it was just so fucking good. like i I fucking loved it. ah like I loved it. I think it's fantastic. i Have you seen that? ah but ah Is it Japanese? Ringu? Is that Japanese? Ringu, yeah. Have you seen that?
01:15:08
Speaker
Mm-hmm. I have it's really fucking good like it's it's just like it's just like uh What's uh, what's uh the grudge the grudge?
01:15:23
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Yeah oj good yeah je on the gra yeah that um Like though they're both like, don't get me wrong, not not shitting on the the Japanese versions by any means. They're fucking amazing too. But like the Americanized versions, just cause like when I watched them, cause I watched those first when I was young. right um And again, like you said, like I was not interested in subtitles at the time. Now I watch everything with subtitles. Am I American or not? Like English speaking or not, I just like have to.
01:15:57
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um but ah yeah theyre good like Obviously the OGs are really great too and like these are ones, like it's like they're they're being remade for American audiences so they don't have to fucking read.
01:16:08
Speaker
And it just, I just think it works. I just think it works so fucking well. No, I think Pinkering is definitely a horror classic. At least our generation, I think. Yeah, our generation for sure. So real quick, what do you think is one of the worst remakes you've seen in the past few years? Doesn't have to be from the past few years, but what's one you finally bit the bullet and watched and you were like,
01:16:36
Speaker
Oh god like oh my fucking god dude cuz I have one that just came out and I fucking pissed about it it's damn okay well um I didn't say I
01:16:54
Speaker
I'm not the biggest, I think the original Nightmare on Elm Street is very, very good. I i yeah understand how iconic Freddy Krueger is. yeah um but New Nightmare is good. New Nightmare is the best sequel that's related to the OG franchise. I would get it you know the original Nightmare on Elm Street, like obviously a classic rating. 100%.
01:17:18
Speaker
Nonetheless, i'm not I'm not going to dig deep on those two sequels like I will with Halloween. I'll watch you know several of the ah the Friday the 13th sequels, and I'll watch all the annual sequels, so on and so forth. Friday the 13th, or at night night, I obviously got as interested.
01:17:35
Speaker
So I will give that as a little bit of context for this movie. Maybe I'm wrong just because I'm not, you know, a super fan going into it. But I legitimately thought the Nightmare on Elm Street remake from 2010 is, I think it's the, it is my least favorite movie I've ever seen in my life. Like every, seeing, it is absolutely garbage. It's, yeah it's egregious. So it's not, it's not aggressively,
01:18:01
Speaker
had a lifetime movie or anything like that, but it is so uninspired and on the risks that it tries to take. It falls so short. I don't know when the last time you saw this movie was, but I just- It's been a while.
01:18:17
Speaker
So as a refresher and and one of my main points is they make which it's obviously like, you know implied that that Freddy Krueger in the original series is is a because a child luster, right? um Yeah, that's all yeah, it's the whole thing right, but this one it not only talks about it a lot more, but any molestant, the the teenager that he's trying to kill in this movie, when they were children, and they start to remember. And it's nice to talk on this theme of like, repressed memories and things like this, but it's doing it with the canvas of a slasher and a slasher, like Freddy Krueger is like kind of a goofy guy in the original you know series and he's not the fucking place to be talking about repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse. And it tries and it does it with a very bad writer. It does it with poor direction and it's just gross. It is legitimately just
01:19:24
Speaker
in poor taste. like yeah It's like they're like, oh, how can we make this scarier? ah Make it you know explicitly about child abuse. and it's like that yeah This ain't it. um no so and that I think that aspect was bad. I think Freddy Krueger looks terrible. They tried to basically make Robert England's Freddy Krueger with just a different face. It looks bad. yeah and Then the acting is some of the worst.
01:19:48
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abding I've ever seen. It turns out I didn't realize this because I'm not much of a CW series guy, but all of the actors outside of Room of Mara i'm have a significant history of being in CW series, like Arrow or The Flash. or Yeah, and it just feels like you're watching an episode of like a very bad episode of forever Dale like that that Cole Sprouse Where he's like, I don't know if you had a nose Then just it just losezes this
01:20:21
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energy the entire time. And then also everybody's dressed like they just watched um My Chemical Romance video for the first time. and it's it it's It's just gross. That's so funny. God damn, you hate this movie. You're not wrong about any of this. It's all fucked. I hated it so funny much. i ask i So I watched it on a plane and... um but hang but and Usually, Ruby said I watch on the plane are going to get an extra star because yeah I can't look at my phone. I can't be distracted. So I'm only going to be a lot more focused. So if I hate a movie on the plane, I really doesn't like it. And I hate in this movie.
01:21:07
Speaker
That's so much, dude. I just, I hated it so much. It was so bad. Oh my fucking god, dude. So bad, dude. Yeah, that movie fucking sucks, dude. Yeah, no, i ah I'm with you on it. I've only seen it the one time forever ago, and yeah, I think, ah speaking of repressed memories, I think that, like, those details were definitely a part of it. That is. Was definitely hitting it for me, because it's like, God, that movie fucking sucks. there ah Dude, it's so bad. And there's also no...
01:21:37
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white There's no kills in it, like three people and they're not. They're not. They do not take advantage of the fact that it's now 2010. You can do some crazy effects things. like they They don't recreate or do any new ... Some of the kills in the original Nightmare are hard to watch because they really insane. The Johnny Depp sequence, they literally had to invert that room to spray the blood out of the bed upside down to create that effect, which is ingenious. So fucking rad. Why would you not have taken advantage of a bigger budget
01:22:23
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and better access to things. Anything that they could have possibly done well, they just dropped them all on that idea. They just don't. Completely ambivalent to create movies. Hate that movie dude.
01:22:41
Speaker
Yeah, no, fuck that movie, dude. I'm with you. I have nothing else to say about that. It's terrible. It's so bad, dude. It's so fucking bad. Oh my fucking God, it's so bad. um Jesus Christ. um So, mine, I'm going to preface this with I love Stephen King. I'm a truther. I love him. He has some trouble with endings, for sure. He does. I mean, he just writes so much sometimes they don't win. It comes to mind, you know, but that's okay.
Critique of Salem's Lot Adaptation
01:23:19
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Yeah, he didn't have to do... They could have gotten out of it a different way, for sure.
01:23:25
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Um, and it would have still have the same impact, you know, yeah and but, uh, being a huge Dracula fan, my favorite book of all time by Stephen King is Salem's Lot.
01:23:41
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Oh no, dude. And the Salem's Lot, the OG three hour Salem's Lot is a lot of fucking fun. good but It's very similar to the OG it, like two part made for TV thing. This one was also made for TV, ah the OG Salem's Lot, and like they're just fine. There's something nostalgic about it, and just like they just go for it.
01:24:03
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and ah This new Salem slot that came out less than a month ago is so offensive to the original story that I was like, I was.
01:24:17
Speaker
so fucking mad at this fucking, this movie absolutely grind my gears in the fucking worst possible way. Like it's Stephen King, so he's going to get everything he's ever done eventually is going to be made into some kind of a movie or something like that.
01:24:37
Speaker
it's gonna they're gonna beat him into the ground and remake all the stuff over and over again and i get the first it movie the new it movie when they broke it up and they were like we're gonna tell it chronologically it'll be the kid and then the second one's gonna be the adult kid one's really good the adult one doesn't hit us it doesn't work as well for me yeah but like those were pretty good remakes of that story like i like that don't get me wrong um They don't go into the cosmic turtle in any of them and it's insane because that's the best part It's one of the most yeah parts novel like and They reference it Never fucking go into it. Yeah for him to go into it really would love to see it But this new Salem's lot so My biggest issue Well, let's start with my most
01:25:26
Speaker
generic surface level issue in it. So they go for, say ah the ah ah the vampire in this fucking movie, in this story, is supposed to be a Nosferatu-esque vampire. yeah And so like bald head, pointy ears, big very big rabbit fang teeth and stuff. That's what they do in the, it's how he's described in the book with some liberties taken because they're you know visualizing it. um
01:26:00
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and then ah And the OG movie, they they do that and they nail it. It looks like a great Nosferatu kind of a thing. the And ah all practical makeup and effects.
01:26:17
Speaker
and This fucking new one. This motherfucker is CGI. ah His yeah his case face, at least, is fucking CGI for one goddamn shot. it's all they They leave him like that the entire goddamn movie for because of one shot. And it would have been so obvious that it was CGI and not practical makeup and stuff for one fucking shot, which is cool. looks It's cool.
01:26:42
Speaker
he's like in the middle of biting someone and like sucking their blood and someone brings a crucifix up to try to stop him and it makes the veins in his head like bulge and you can like see the blood going for his head and stuff and it like like that part is like it's cool like I get like why they wanted to do that shot
01:27:04
Speaker
but the whole rest of the time that he's around does not need to be fucking CGI, dude. What we do in the shadows, the movie, ah Peter, their roommate that lives in the basement, the Nosferatu, he looks better.
01:27:22
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than this ah max budgeted, like fucking HBO max studio budget. And fucking what we do in the shadows was an independent fucking movie. From like 2012, right? Yeah, from like almost 10 years ago. And he looks so fucking good. He looks amazing. Peter looks amazing. And like the costuming and the hair and makeup and stuff.
01:27:47
Speaker
this motherfucker is a goddamn computer program so like he's a goddamn like it makes me use a fucking effect like like he's a fucking CGI fucking thing and it's just it's honestly like I like insult like it's kind of been I don't
01:28:09
Speaker
I think they just know that they can get away with it if they make a movie that people will will come to see anyways. But I think when when people are reminiscing about movies, they will always remember practical effects yep over CGI.
01:28:30
Speaker
yeah think Certainly, there are things you cannot do with practical effects. There is absolutely a need for CGI. I think the Marvel movies, when you're making a movie that is as important to Her culture and to audiences is something like endgame. I understand you have to that's a CGI doubt moving But it works because of its content, right? Yeah, but then you move a little further and you get into like the new Doctor Strange the ro Moving and it's like what in that what is this shit? And it just shows that you have to make a folder of a room It's going to be CGI doubt
01:29:16
Speaker
You have to make a a movie that people are going to love for various reasons otherwise the CGI is going to be so Distractable yep, that nobody's gonna remember anything else. That's why just do practical effects. Just do it. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No you go ahead.
01:29:38
Speaker
I was going to say then if your movie sucks, but the practical effects are are good. Like I would say, I i think a lot of the Friday the 13th entries, I just thought, but like the practical, like Gore, it works. Well, that's what you remember. It looks great. It's awesome. That's why people fucking watch that movies, yeah those movies. Like that's why they did that. I was just going to say like, uh, Guillermo del Toro, Crimson Peak. Yeah.
01:30:02
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all practical effects except for a couple of like spooky things. Other than that, all practical effects. Fucking beautiful movie. Fucking beautiful movie. Not nearly one of his best movies ever, but fucking amazing because of the practical effects and the acting and and stuff. ah like They got, a what's his name? Tom Hiddleston in it. He's fucking amazing. and like It was such a perfect gothic tale and stuff. so like like like like it I'll say like this keyword tutorial doesn't make bad movies, but like right you know what I mean like relative There's other ones this isn't as best but like All practical effects except for a couple of spooky little things and stuff and it's so subtle and it works this one Yeah, this whole fucking guy's face everything about him every time we see him he's fucking gonna just never gonna work at night. of and Oh, i I don't get it. I don't get why studios I mean, I I do think CGI is less work Obviously, it's less work. It's less money
01:31:00
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and That's probably why they do it, but you would think I mean HBO is Typically pretty consistently putting out stuff that Everybody, you know, how's that it attract? I like even I'm not really interested in watching the penguin series to be honest with you just because I'm just it I'm just not into it, but I'll binge watch it all at once when I have ones Yeah, I'm kind of a thing but like I'm not keeping up But people love it, dude. People love it. And I mean, it's ah it was a ah like a you know a ah pretty low screen time going. ah but he had ah our patents and that man i have heard I have heard a lot of people say that it's ah basically the Sopranos, but it's and that in d c and and didn whenever yeah in ah the universe. And I was like, yeah
01:31:46
Speaker
Well, I mean, that's interesting. like that i mean ok no and and like do it but you can compare You can confidently compare it to the Sopranos. like okay yeah that Well, that's not bad. If you're churning out Batman side villains, but it's the freaking Sopranos, how can you not, when you're taking so beloved What do you not just go all out and make it exactly? It is like what's crazy is it's like my only defense I could argue for them is that it's a um It's a It was not a theatrical release. It was it was only on HBO like it like you like you know what I mean? Like that's my only thing is like so they did have a smaller budget like obviously millions of dollars of budget but like still like it's a
01:32:32
Speaker
Noticeably less amount of money to be able to like spend on that and stuff, but like they didn't spend that money on fucking Not to say the acting was bad the acting was fine They did fine with what they were given and stuff, but like there's not really any major named people There's not like he lists celebrities in this movie. So the money didn't go there right what I mean, so like I It's like you had room to work with it and like I also like like in in defense of it just to like argue some stuff like they do a really good job with the um With the have you seen do you know Salem slot? Do you know that story? Have you seen a reddit the OG one? No, I have actually
01:33:08
Speaker
So it's a vampire story, like obviously. But um there's scenes where like people are like slowly turning into like like vampires and stuff. And it's like one kid gets turned into a vampire and there's a main kid. With all Stephen King, there's like a main like yeah ah protagonist or main character. And it's like one of his friends is like missing and he gets turned into a vampire. And then it's like he's like on the second floor and like the kid like comes knocking on the window being like, let me in, let me in and stuff. And it's a great scene in the book. It's a super great in the first one. And they did a really good job with those kind of scenes with like a floating, like really like creepy looking kid being like, open the window, let me in. I'm OK. I need to come in and try to convince him because you know the vampire thing of like, They have to be invited into space and stuff. like They do a really good job with like those kind of scenes and stuff. But like my my main, main, main, main, main issue with this fucking movie is the book is such a perfect slow burn there in the way that
01:34:22
Speaker
the fucking OG Dracula, like Braum's Soaker's Dracula book is. It's a slow burn and it's like the first ah three fourths of it, the first three, like 75% of it is what the fuck is going on? all like What the fuck is happening? like you like It's pretty obvious like it's like there's a vampire thing going on to the reader, but like the characters are like taking time to like figure out why are these people missing? like There's some weird new ah people from Europe opening a fancy antique store and they're living in like what is like known as like the haunted house on the hill and stuff. like
01:35:05
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and stuff, but like's like i just sit like like but they're like they're not like definitively like, oh yeah, they're vampires, like 100%, that's game over, let's go. ah But that's what they do in the movie. The movie is literally the first chance a character gets to even consider that it might be vampires. He immediately knows it's vampires and the like within the first 25% of the movie, and the rest is vampire shit going crazy. there's literally like and so but in the In the novel, it's like, this person goes missing.
01:35:36
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this person goes missing. This person goes missing over a long period of time. You have the main character who is like slowly building a relationship ah with a girl in town and stuff like, cause he's like a writer coming back to his hometown cause he needs some inspo for his novel. she reads She's reading his one of his other novels and like they like strike up a relationship and stuff. The slow build of a relationship and stuff. And this one,
01:36:03
Speaker
They immediately hit it off. They immediately are dating and like into each other and stuff. And this first chance, somebody who, the like English teacher of the high school interacts with someone who's been turned into a vampire, he's like instantly turns into Dr. Van Helsing. He knows everything there ever is has been about vampires. And like this is 100% what's happening. No questions asked. There's literally a moment. It's been like two or three days in the movie. And this is something, that the book is like months.
Stephen King's Adaptations and Impact
01:36:32
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like there's a scene where he's ah lema characters like running after someone who got turned into a vampire to like try to like like the a shot of him, she gets away, shot of him, and like somebody that's in the church still is like, is like you gotta to come back, you gotta to come back, like and stuff, and like it wide shot, he's in the middle of the street, and there's 30 vampires in the street, and 10 more like on the roofs of the building in front of him, and it's been like five days, tops. It's been like a few weeks, and maybe tops.
01:37:11
Speaker
it's like one kid goes missing and then jumps to like oh like a week later they're still looking for him and then the rest of it happens in like four or five days and it's just so fast i'm like so this whole town got turned into vampires instantly and one person knew what was going on and told yeah two people and like everything goes to fucking shit like it's just like the the the beauty of the novel is that it's like he like there's like a prologue where it's like the main character and the kid in mexico waiting to hear reports of people stumbling upon salem's lot and realizing it had been taken over by vampires and had been essentially turned into a ghost town and stuff like they get out and like that like that's like it's like a few pages of them like
01:37:58
Speaker
trying to get as far away as possible and then it jumps back to like here's how this slowly started to happen four and the whole point is like the whole point of it is like this place got slowly taken over by vampires a couple people made it away there was nothing they could do and they're just waiting for people to be like I haven't heard from my sister in Salem's lot in a while. I'm going to go visit it. And then like that person, and like until like people start to look into it and realize that's what happened because they could not get the message out and stuff. This movie is fucking, so oh, some kids went missing. Oh my God, there's vampires. and Here's 45. Here's the last 75% of this movie where we're fighting vampires and freaking out. And also the vampires fucking CGI and just, oh God, it made me so fucking mad.
01:38:47
Speaker
and Oh, it made me hate it made me hate my favorite Stephen King. like It was so fucking bad. Some cool shots, some cool sequences. The writing the the but acting was good based on like the way the story was written and stuff. But I was just like, what a... And the worst part is that Stephen King executive produces it, obviously, and like like like signed off on it. And I'm just like, man, come on. He doesn't give a shit, though. He doesn't give a shit, dude.
01:39:15
Speaker
I hate that he doesn't think I give a shit. He likes art and then people are willing to take his art and make money out of it. I don't think he gives a shit. i mean you have you Dude, I even think it chapter two is is aggressively bad. I think the first one's decent. In chapter two, the most offensive thing they do is they cast fucking Jessica Chastain as as adult Bev and make her a whiny little fucking damsel in distress in distress when she is a fucking badass as an adult in the movies or in the book. She's fucking awesome in the book. yeah Oh, yeah, I do. i mean i i
01:40:01
Speaker
And they just make her a whiny little, oh no, oh no. we he in Like, oh, I'm so scared. Save me, save me. Like, and I was like, no. She literally beats the shit out of her abusive husbands ah and runs away and it's fucking like, hell yeah, dude. Let's go. That part, that part of the clock is so good. But I, I think that I just don't think he cares all that much about how his movies turn
Horror as Social Commentary
01:40:26
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out. i He probably.
01:40:29
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probably dates back to when Kubrick made The shi yeah the Shining. He didn't like it, and everybody loved it. well Probably at that point, it's like, who gives a shit up? Well, then he made then he went on to make a made-for-TV movie that Stephen King's The Shining, which is which he thought was a more accurate depiction of the story he was trying to tell, oh which is it's not good. like yeah His vision, for I just think his his movie vision is is is that fair.
01:40:59
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean I mean I'm but that that's a bummer man. I hate I hate when I Hate when I think that we love gets torn apart and honestly it happens a lot yeah yeah does It's it fucking sucks, but But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, I think we've had a ah and we've had a lovely conversation about yeah horror reboots and horror remakes and the pros and cons. We've talked about some really good ones. Yeah, obviously some really bad ones, but I think um
01:41:33
Speaker
I like our main thesis, I think, of ah why why it happens from a like studio financial reason and like why it happens because ah you know it just makes you can do better things with stuff yeah when you have like a different version of the story to tell and stuff like that. So I think i think we've answered the like kind of like central question yeah of this whole episode of, why is horror the most remade ah genre um who in the movie you world? Best case scenario, make a lot of money and make something that's artistically better than the original. Worst case scenario, you make a lot of money.
01:42:18
Speaker
Yeah. To a studio? Yeah. There's no harm, no foul. No harm. I mean, I think there are only a handful of remakes that did not make any kind of money. Yeah. Most of them make even that. I mean, on Elm Street, it made a lot of money. Yeah, exactly. and it was And that is your least favorite movie of all time. because i get It is. And rightfully so. I feel that. I feel that. life beyond um Well, yeah, man, I appreciate you jumping on and doing a deep dive into not even just a bunch of specific horror, like a meta conversation about horror, because it's just like, it is just such an interesting genre that, you know, like the big wigs, quote unquote, don't take super seriously all the time and stuff. But there's a lot. They love making money off of it. the have permission to nominate it for Best Picture because they understood how important it was and how it was like such a perfect social commentary and everything deal like and how just amazing it was made and stuff. If you watch the when they were doing the Oscars and stuff you know like they they'll put up like sometimes they'll put up like in parentheses like what genre it's labeled as.
01:43:47
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That one was comedy. Wow. Like if you look at like the list when they do the noms and stuff, it'll be like, oh, like this movie, like Saving Private Ryan, drama, like Dune, like sci-fi. Get out. Comedy. that's Because Jordan Peele made it, and right so obviously it was really fucking funny at times.
01:44:07
Speaker
absolutely not a fucking comedy music. And everyone knows it. And everyone knows it, but everybody was so excited that it was getting some recognition, but they wouldn't officially say it. and like But they love the money that they get from it. deal know like So it's insane. It's a very weird, weird, weird, weird thing. But that's a whole different conversation at this point. But um yeah, I think we did a good job. I loved it. I had a great time talking about it. I had a great time, man.
01:44:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah, man. ah Before we get out of here, is there anything you want to I'm not that like, you know, like, people on podcast like, Oh, is there anything you want to plug and stuff? And it's like, yeah, like, I'm doing this cool thing, like, and you can listen to this or watch this show and stuff. Like, most people on here, we're just living our normal lives and stuff. It's like, hey, is there anything you want to plug or point people to? Like, like any good music you've been listening to that you want to shout out or anything like that? Yeah, yeah I think you can.
01:45:06
Speaker
the new engine. but that um any firework ah hell yeah It's pretty sick. And then I think my favorite record of the year to spar is the new, uh, the wool dead album called the old floss. It's a bop. You're doing this or something. right well but All right, you heard it here first. Listen to those fucking records, dude. Tyler took his ah his plug time to plug these fucking dope records, dude. Hey, that's great. when i told When I asked Asia when she was on a few months ago, it was like like, what do you want to plug? And she was like, you have like everybody needs to stop what they're doing and pay its attention to the Drake kindrick yeah Kendrick beef. It's the most important thing happening right now. They said, dude, it it really know was. And I was like, all right, yeah. It was an iconic moment.
01:45:53
Speaker
ah shit great um but yeah all right man um well ah appreciate you um coming on good good times as always course all i got do um i' go ah plug my social media and all that stupid shit so Follow on Instagram at bad movie debate all one word all lowercase follow on Tick-tock. I'm back on tick-tock. They haven't kicked me off yet ah ah Like the first time I tried and that's that ah bad movie debate pod excited to make a new name
01:46:28
Speaker
the whole thing bad movie debate but just with pod at the end all word all over case um yeah uh yeah got a lot of fun stuff coming in the future yeah gonna be working on some stuff in the background probably gonna hopefully be getting video episodes done soon and i that video episodes so that'll be fun um so you know follow me on there for updates on that and uh Yeah. Happy Halloween, dude. We're really close. We're literally happening way like we're a week away from Halloween as we record this right now, and ah and it does not feel like it, which sucks.
Podcast Conclusion and Social Media Plugs
01:47:03
Speaker
It fucking sucks. It's a little too warm out there to feel like Halloween, I must admit. Open it. It'll cool down in its feet. The memes are finally gaining.
01:47:14
Speaker
yeah the leaves are changing at least so like it gives uh it gives the aesthetic at least so it'll be fun um well all right uh thanks again man appreciate you of course all right ah