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Review - Trap with Drew Cottongim
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Time for another review! This time Drew Cottongim and I get deep into Trap, the new M. Night Shyamalan thriller. Trapped (lol) inside a concert that is actually a sting operation, Josh Hartnett must figure out how to escape the police without revealing that he's a pretty bad guy to his young daughter. Gotta say the concert is pretty dope, but we'll talk about the problem with the music, some plot holes and some other pros and cons! Also follow Drew on Youtube for some video game streams! He's real good and plays awesome games that not every other streamer is playing which is nice. Link at the bottom!
https://www.youtube.com/@drubiusdais
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Theme
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um We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you some breaking news. There's been reports all over the area of something crazy going on, something big. People's homes, their minds even, are being taken over by something called... What is it they're calling it? They're calling it Bad Movie of Age!
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What up, nerds? It's me, Jacob Babb, with Bad Movie to Bait, and we got another review episode for the new M. Night Shyamalan movie Trap with Josh Harnett. It's a movie, and we'll talk about it a little bit deeper in a second. But first, with me today, I got my boy, Drew. Say what up,
Co-host Introduction and Movie Experience
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man?
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Hey, what's going on, guys? Happy to be here. Thank you juy for having me on. As soon as I saw this movie, I texted you and I was like, but we got to talk about this. yeah but this came out This movie came out Friday, right? Very recently. It came out like this past Friday. um And you texted me like that day, I think. like Did you see it that Friday? Like Friday? I did. Yeah. So and for you guys who don't know me, which is like most all of you. um I have kids and so I don't get to see movies very often. And so my wife was being spontaneous, you know, as all of us men hope our wives do. And she's like, we're going on date night, we're going to eat dinner, which dinner was um eating hibachi at home in our bed, which is perfect. And then we went to go see Trapp. There were no kids in the house. That was a big thing.
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And then we went to go see Trap, and I literally knew nothing about it. I had not seen a trailer, not a poster. All I knew that Josh Hartnett was in it, and she was like, watch this trailer. And I was like, absolutely not. Absolutely not, yeah. As people know, i ended I did a whole little episode. I fucking hate trailers. yeah yeah ruin I ruined everything. I was right there with you, brother. I was giving you the amen from the back of a good Baptist dude. I had my Baptist nod going on, bro. I was with you, man. Yeah, hell yeah. I was with you. I'm not even Baptist, dude, but I was there.
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I'm Anglican, we don't do anything really. We don't
Moviegoing Habits and Preferences
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even like music. oh my god um Yeah, because you text you texted me so soon and you were like, hey, can I put myself in contention for this? Because like, I got some thoughts and I was like, okay, shit like shit let me check my schedule. I was like, I can go see it today. is yeah one day ah and After like the opening weekend. I was like like shit. There's like an 1130 showing in like in the morning like fuck Yeah, I got nothing um like I'm gonna come out of a movie theater into the daylight. That's such a weird thing. It was like 2 o
Exploring Shyamalan's Storytelling Style
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'clock What did we go see um the peel movie?
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about the alien. Nope. Oh, nope. but saw Nope. And we came out of the funeral. It was like broad daylight. I was like, this is weird. You know, but also the movie too, but yeah, there was also but like with that one too. It's like, it's a lot of, there's a lot of really dark scenes and there's so like, you're in like basically a completely dark room for most of that movie. So like coming out and just, God, Jesus.
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There was probably like a handful of other people in that theater too. Yeah, exactly. I was completely, but I was, when I went in, besides the three employees that were working, I promise you, I was the only person in that building that was not actively working. When I came out, there was some people coming in. Did you have all of your phone here and you were like, babe, did you want Sour Patch kids? Yeah, okay, let me get a bag of Sour Patch too.
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hell no I went in there and asked thought I said here's my movie ticket I'll take one drink and these this pack of Twizzlers
Review of 'Trap' and Shyamalan's Techniques
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for myself one ticket printed out and he went you're gonna be over that way and I was like thanks bro and there was nobody in the theater which is my favorite way to watch movies yes dude i all I like I don't care what anyone says. Obviously going to into the movie theater is the best way to experience any new movie. There's no doubt about that. but best The next thing is having ah having one where you don't have anybody else in the theater. It's always really nice if it's just you and your cronies or like just you and yourself. like like If you go if you ah like to go see movies by yourself like I do.
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um like having nobody else there yes is ideal and the best way to do that is go see it as early as possible during the day because people don't like going to see movies during the day even though they have like twice a show and it's cheaper exactly so Take that with what you will. like you'll It'll be cheaper, it'll be smoother, you'll be in and out. like None of this nonsense. It's great. You'll miss out on the cop the popcorn buckets you know that they do on like the Friday, Saturday opening. That's fine. You'll be fine. ah Do you want an M. Night Shyamalan popcorn button? Who knows? No. What it what it like what would it look like for this movie? You just have a trap door. At some point during the film, it just opens in the latch. There's a bunch of
Shyamalan's Cameos and Criticism
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butter and popcorn all over your lap and you're like, no I'm not you've done it again Honestly That would have made not like good Not to say that this movie was completely bad that would have made the experience a lot better That would have been super fucking funny You go to pick up your drink and it just falls out from the bottom because it's a little paper cup. I can't it just falls out yours like Like that would be amazing. Um, yeah I actually really love that. Um, so that's hilarious. Um, so we're going to talk about trap. This is going to be more of like a review kind of thing. Cause we both are kind of on the fence about how we feel about it overall. Cause it's like, we may come to a definitive conclusion by the end too. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. so i And review. And I will say too, like I, when it comes to film and stuff, like I'm pretty.
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I'd say like I'm a high-level layman. like I've seen most of like the classics, and I understand them from like a from some most points of view. you know Obviously, I've never done like film school or anything, you know and I haven't seen every movie, but I do see movies when I can, and I do try and critique them fairly. I try and keep my M. Night Shyamalan love out of this, but I do have some M. Night Shyamalan. I also have a lot of hatred, which we should get out of the way.
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Avatar the Last Airbender was a terrible movie and he will never be forgiven for that. You should put that aside for tonight. me and i Me and my buddy Justin, you know Justin. We did a whole episode about it. He was one of my first episodes. and he I
Filmmaking Techniques and Career Reflection
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was like, what movie do you want to do, Justin? He was like The Last Airbender. I was like, are you going to say it's good? and He was like, nope. and i was like Damn it. I was like, all right. I guess I'll find the good in it and stuff. And he ruined me. He ruined me with a single line, a single point of ah information. I'll just go ahead and spoil it for everybody. it Doesn't matter. um I was like, overall, it's like a pretty good story. Like the story flows like and stuff. And he was like, yeah, it's good because it's it's adaptation of one of the best shows ever. And I was like, yeah, you're right. He was like, you're right. That was pretty much my whole argument was like,
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like I was tied to that like the story is really cool and interesting and he's like yeah because it's based off of one of the best shows that Nickelodeon's ever done and I was like cool I have nothing else to say because everything stems from that point so here we are um ah speaking of spoilers there's gonna be a ton of spoilers in this review we don't have oh yeah yeah we don't have yeah I
Audience Preferences and Horror Elements
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I know it's this is it's early like it just came out and stuff but like Yeah, there's no way to talk about it like this without talking yeah specific plot points and stuff. So we're gonna have to and i think now that i've seen actually went and looked at some of the marketing material.
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very obvious yeah i did ah I saw this one, um I saw the trailer for this one because I went to go see Long Legs and they played it. and like I got you. I did see the trailer then and I was like, because it like started coming up and I was like, oh, what's this? And I was like, that's pretty interesting concept, I guess. And then it was like, M. Night Shyamalan. I was like,
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Okay, okay, okay, and you know, we'll we'll see how it is. um Before we get into talkin' talkin', I do talk about some of the M. Night Shyamalan movies, M. Night Shyamalan. God, I'm saying it too fast. M. Night Shyamalan keeps stumbling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um some of the movies I do like of his and then um and we're gonna go over like some like the Rotten Tomatoes like we're gonna do we're still gonna do like the scores and the good quote bad quote that I normally do for uh for the debate episodes and stuff just because like I just love a good bad quote the bad quotes are always so fun but it's just like all their vitriol
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All their hatred dwarves are editing or poured into one quote basically. The best ones are the ones that are always really short. I didn't get a really short one. like I've literally had ones for movies that are like but the but it's like boring and bland was the entitl was the like was the clip that's on Rotten Tomatoes when you're looking for... TV variety says. it's like I've had ones that are like that from like Hollywood Reporter, like some of like the biggest thing associated press, like it
Trailers, Marketing, and Movie Reception
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associated, yeah you like like the you fucking associated press, like the height of like unbiased journalism and stuff. And like their review on Rotten Tomatoes, like before you read the whole thing is like, it was literally been like,
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I'm obviously being facetious, but it's like, I did not like this movie. I don't think you will either. It's bad. like And like that's like their main point. It's like, okay, great. Al Jazeera says, infidels will watch this forever. Oh, okay. Damn. like All right. Any more details? Exactly. like Those are my favorite for sure. um So my favorite M. Night Shyamalan movies are obviously The Sixth Sense is like the pinnacle of like M. Night Shyamalan and then um my favorite is Signs though.
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Okay. I will never forget watching signs at like 10 years old for some reason. I guess my sister who doesn't like these kinds of movies, like she had some friends over and they were watching it and I wanted to watch the movie with them because like, you know, me, I like aliens and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I alien movie. Cool. And Mel Gibson wasn't a complete fuck at that point. So I was like, Oh, he probably was. He was unbeknownst to the world. Everyone didn't have a video camera and a seven or a quarter at that time. No one knew. The layman did not know he was a complete fuck. So it was like, oh, he's a good actor, so you could get a brave heart. Like, yeah. So you go to watch it. And then Joaquin Phoenix, obviously, is great. And I will never forget
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Squeezing my the my sister's friend's hand as hard as I could Shaking violently as the alien comes across
Nepotism and Shyamalan's Legacy
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from like the clip from Brazil that he's walking That's literally just shaking so terrified The pitier stomach just love falls out. Yeah and so that' So much and I love it so much Yeah, there's also a lot of like great storytelling that happens in that movie that unless you really watch it or you know kind of know to look for it like you miss it like you know on the wall like there's the missing picture and you can see where the cross used to hang on the wall, you know what I mean like there's a lot of like um yeah, there's a a ton of foreshadowing obviously the water glasses is like the
00:11:01
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checkups think is but yeah There's a lot of great storytelling and that I think Shyamalan, I think it's one of his strengths, you know, which I think we'll get to but yeah, 100%. No, he's he's it's great. I mean, in the the sixth sense is just like that one was like the one of the best because it was just like such the mind fuck of like, you get done with it and you're like, wait, he's a ghost the entire time. Like I i need to go watch it again. That was the first and i saw the six times the first thing I thought was I need to go watch it again. Yeah.
00:11:24
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Exactly, because you're like, oh my God, he doesn't talk to anybody but the kid the entire time. But the way the movie is shot and edited and the story is told, you never notice that he no one responds to him or talks to to Bruce Willis except for the kid. It's insane, dude. Like the way he get the way he was able to pull that off like that is just bonkers. And then I actually had another one written down. I think we were talking a little earlier before we started recording. um We were texting about stuff. I can't remember if you said you hadn't had or had not seen this one. ah The Village.
00:11:53
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Oh yeah, that's in the village. Okay, yeah, with ah Bryce Dallas Howard. I think that was her first one she did with him. because She's on a couple with him now. yeah I've only seen that one once,
Audience Expectations and 'Trap' Analysis
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and I didn't hate it. Oh, okay. Say it a few times.
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I did it was it's lower than signs and six cents obviously but like out of his other ones you know I was like I kind of like this twist of like the monsters are actually the all the elders of the town like the commute like the town committee to keep them in and then it's like no this is modern day like and stuff like that's what they're protecting them from like I that really hit for me like ah like Growing up when i heard when I saw it and stuff. So I don't know. What are your thoughts on that one? So the village is probably the one I've seen the second most. his films Science is probably the first because it's by far one of my favorite. I've always loved aliens. like fox so good I wanted to be in the FBI because I thought that special agents could do the X-Files. I thought that was a thing. Criminal minds yeah and the X-Files is why I went to school for psychology. yeah Psychological statistics is why I did not get
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further into psychology. But I just want to go to Quantico and then go to the. No. Yeah, come on. Let's go. Where is it with the village? I felt like with the village and I think this kind of is where M Night Shyamalan kind of like sabotages himself as the village. The twist almost cheapened the first part of the movie in some ways, because it's like The first part is like, oh man, okay. It's the, it's the, cause she like kills that one and you know, she's blind. So she doesn't know, but they're dead obviously. And it's just a person, you know? And so then, but then it's like, oh, well why didn't they do planes forever? Oh, well they made a deal that no planes would ever fly. Okay. Really though, you know, it's just like, you know, like all this stuff and you're like, okay, that, but if you had left it to where like she kills that person and then she walks in the woods and the movie's over, you're like, oh my gosh, you just killed one of the elders and didn't realize it. Who knows if she ever gets out? Yeah, she has no idea.
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Yeah, exactly. She just walks to like us a highway, you know what I mean? yeah She gets
Influence of Hitchcock and Spielberg
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across, she gets over the wall and then like a car pulls up and he's like, are you okay? And she's like, what the fuck is that noise? Like, she's blind. What the fuck is that noise? And he's like, you mean my car? She's like,
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and like yeah it just like And like, yeah, that's a fair point. Like the I did, I forget. Okay. I've only seen it like once or twice yeah a long time ago. I forget the like, Oh yeah. They just agreed to never fly planes over there and stuff. And it's like the fuck. No, like, no, that's not how that works. like Like at least with signs, you're like, this is absolutely supernatural. You know?
00:14:34
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given your own yeah personal feelings, there's no objective, hard evidence that aliens are among us or whatever. You know what I mean? But like, sure Hey, yeah this is a sick invasion story in the suspense is very real and the stakes feel really high. You know what I mean? Like this guy suffered loss, you know, like, and like, it was a great film. dude Do you ever, what do you think about that? What do you think about that theory that, um,
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it's like one of those like after the credits like continuing story kind of a theory where like what do you think of the theory about um a lot of people were like well why would the aliens show up if they're like If water just completely fucks them up, like why would aliens show up? and like We're 70% water. like Why would they just show up like raw dog in our atmosphere with like
Managing Expectations and Viewer Biases
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no equipment and stuff to like protect them from that? yeah and like I don't know where people are pulling this from, but I remember seeing a theory that was like, those aliens that are showing up to see what's going on are like basically like the first wave like
00:15:37
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slaves that they like the alien race like they've taken over another planet already and they use them as pawns to be like y'all go check this place out and we're right exactly like the conscripts from the villages yeah we'll test their defenses see everything that's going to happen when we actually get down there like we'll know like okay so they got this h2o stuff everywhere that's bad for y'all we know we're close to y'all so that might be bad for us we'll be sure to put the suits on like i don't know where somebody pulled that from but i've seen that a couple of times i'm like that makes this movie so much scarier it's already it's already good and it's already fucking scary but they feel like
00:16:17
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Scouts dude, you know, because they're like, they move quickly. They like have just really one short range weapon, you know, they've gotten a little missed or whatever. Like they definitely feel like, uh, observing report, observing report. They can't figure out a doorknob. Yeah. You know what I mean? They don't know how doorknobs work and they're like, uh, what do we do? And then you, with a knife looking at them. ban what hands with exactly yeah exactly like And so it's like,
00:16:43
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so i love that movie because like even like the like theories about it's like fuck that actually adds a lot to yeah definitely i'll tell you where right now though you know what movie i hate what's that happening the happening oh my god that movie is rough so and the worst part is uh have you seen that one Oh yeah, oh yeah. hey okay this I know you've seen that because we we both have. I haven't seen a lot of his stuff like honestly, since devil, I think the elevator one. Yeah, which is fine. It's like the twist comes at the end and you're like, OK, like, was it the old lady? Yes. Yes. OK, so you as a basically yeah it's the fucking old lady and you're like, like, it's obviously not this fucking dude who like obviously looks like and is acting like the devil. It's this old lady who's just in there the whole time. Like, yeah, it great.
00:17:34
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um what's happening okay that movie it's just The worst part about it is it's just not that good. It just doesn't hit. The concept is cool. It's like the plants are like taking back over because like the environment and stuff like cool. It's like you could say it's a whole thing. Humanity is a virus, right? That's like the trope. Mother Nature is just reclaiming. love Love man versus nature story, like love that kind of stuff. Yeah. Love that ship. The problem is the execution and the problem with the execution is not only that
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you know, Zooey Deschanel and ah Mark Wohlberg are like super weird and they acting, they're acting weird. They talk weird. They say stuff weird. And like everything is just kind of, there's just something kind of off about it the entire time. The reason is his explanation for that. I remember somebody maybe correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing an explanation that M. Night Shyamalan wanted to have the feel of like a Hitchcock kind of movie and dialogue. So very stilted, yeah very clear in like weird manner of delivery and stuff like that. So that's why they all, everything is so weird. And it just, it seems to have just missed the mark. Cause it's just like, what are they even doing? Like what like, like from top to bottom, that movie, like the only cool thing about that movie is the concept. The concept is awesome.
00:18:59
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right which has been done before right i mean like it's just kind of a unique yeah so man versus nature is one of like the first out of like it's like man versus man man versus god man versus nature that's like the first three story as we yeah yeah that's the first stories we ever got when we started writing stories you know so it's like like that's cool and stuff and it's like oh yeah and like the whole thing with the bees and stuff like oh yeah bees are nine blah blah blah blah because that's what's actually gonna happen in about 20 years get ready guys um but you don't have to talk like that you know what i mean like it's just like the way i hated it i hate it that they like that's the reason why it's like why are they being weird and it's like it doesn't have anything to do with the the movie and like the plot or anything like the story it's just like well i wanted it to have this kind of a feel and they just come
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completely missed the mark from top to bottom on like giving it that stilted Hitchcockian flavor to it and stuff. And I'm like, wow, I didn't think I could like this movie any less than I already did. And now I do. yeah like He's got some big hits and he's got some big misses is the point I'm trying to illustrate. Yeah. So the thing with the happening for me is is number one is like when you try and be a Hitchcockian film, the problem is is that people are going to compare you to Hitchcock.
00:20:09
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And like, dude, like how do you do why would you do that to yourself? I i don't understand. like So there's that already you set the bar so exceptionally high twists. Like, so for me, like the happening was very gratuitous on John wants part because it's like number one, dude,
00:20:31
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what editor on the planet is like you want me to what edit in trees waving in the breeze you want me to edit in the field of grass waving in the wind like why and oh that's them attacking is what ah you want me one so like what am i what is happening here you know like there's only so many pictures of plants blowing in the wind that are threatening you know you're saying what like one time, just show it to me one time, dude. And then just make the noise and I get it, you know what I mean? And number two, it was like, guys, let's sit in a room and think about different ways we can have people kill themselves, dude. And it would look so cool if someone like took a knitting needle and you're just like, okay, man, like it's a little over the top, dude, because one of his big things, like
00:21:08
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that I think Shyamalan does very, very well is like show, don't tell. And it's like, as he kind of moves deeper into his movies, like the sixth sense at zero tell until the very end, you know, like I see that you're a dead person, you know, like, and then kind of as he gets later on, he's like, he, it almost feels like he's watering it down, which I don't want to give him too much credit and be like, well, he's just such an auteur that you just can't understand unless you like breaks it down for you. But it's like, also, it's like,
00:21:33
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Man, definitely. like You used to do a much better job of just being like, here's a shot. Absorb this shot. You better take a look at everything pretty well because I put things in the shot for a reason. yeah You know and like as used to be very Kubrick-y, like Kubrick. Yeah, you exactly. He would have like a Shining Kubrick kind of vibe to him and stuff. like I completely agree with that. yeah and happening You're 100% correct.
00:21:57
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How do we just blow people's minds? I'm such a good movie maker. I can put in shots of trees blowing in the wind and people will like it because I made it. Eat it. Eat it. I'm like, no. What are you doing? That's too many things to do at one time. Because, you know, he always had those those sweeping landscape shots of trees because he, you know, never wasted, you know, he never wasted a minute of.
00:22:22
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Screen time and that was important to him because you know, mean there were some like a movie where like they go to that house and That dude just blows that other the dude off the porch bro. Like yeah Okay, like that like doing yeah doing something like that. Well, yeah, and like a couple times not like the knitting needle Yeah, you're up off the porch like all this crazy stuff. Like it's right like do over yeah like drop it judge The guy got the lawnmower and stuff like do a couple of those to ill and like it's like, okay we know we know now that people do fucked up shit once yeah
00:22:53
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chemical or whatever the hell gets in their brains and were like i gotta to take the air of myself paying these as millions of dollars dude show us their reaction bro yeah are you sure yeah wait shouldn the movie when you're paying mark wahberg and zoe deionele do yeah and like this I know a lot of people a lot of people got like really turned off to Zooey Deschanel like after this movie because they're were like she is so flat and boring and it's like he told her to be yeah Like it's not her fault. She was listening to the direction of the director and writer of the movie. He made this mistake, not her. Like she, like watch the new girl, you know, she got range, bro. She up and down. She's a pretty like yeah overall stagnant character, but like the, like the heartbeat moment, like the like heartfelt moment she hit is just fine. The comedic one, she is just fine. And like maybe like that she's great and elf, like,
00:23:43
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yeah Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's not her. It's definitely not her. Mark Wahlberg, whatever. He's fine. Like, he he was flat and it was like, eh, he gives it a little bit more sometimes. like if Sometimes I just phones it in, bro. Sometimes he just plays Mark Wahlberg. At least a basic science teacher in cinema. That's all I know. Oh my God, right? And it's like, sometimes Mark, it's like, could we get some Marky Mark going again? like let's Like, you were like all about it, like with Marky Mark. mark like I could go for some of that energy and in your film sometimes. No doubt. We'll see. All right. So we love and hate M. Night Shyamalan. It's established now. I feel like we we're pretty well versed in M. Night. So we're going to get into trap here for a little bit. um So Rotten Tomatoes, we got the scores here. We got critic scores, 55%, which is that sweet spot of just right down the middle, which is kind of how I feel. Yes, and positive on the positive side.
00:24:40
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yeah it's yeah it's five percent more than completely neutral so uh... audience score sixty-five so a little bit more a little bit more the audience is liked it a little bit which is pretty standard that's usually how Rotten Tomatoes goes yeah it was our kind of a return to form for him in some ways you know i feel like it did feel like that and that's part of the reason why i was like i don't think i can say this is just a bad movie like if this like part of it that my thing is with it is like and obviously we'll get a little more deep into it but like If this wasn't an M. Night Shyamalan movie, it didn't have his name on it, and it was just a movie that some guy made, I would be like, that ain't bad. That's a good, that's a decent movie. like was like some If it was somebody's like directorial debut for full-blown high production film, I would be like, that's solid. I can't wait to see more. yeah The fact that it's M. Night, it's like, okay, bud, a little bit. like All right. yeah like which is Before that, I want to ask you one more thing about M. Night, in your opinion, how you feel about his directorial style.
00:25:40
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How do you feel about his self-inserts? I don't hate it. I get it. You know what I mean? um i was ah i mean Honestly, when he pops up in this one, I was like, i was like oh, there he is. I knew he was going to be in it at some point. I was like, oh, there he is. like oh Oh, he's the uncle, like ah which we'll talk about more later, actually. Yes, we will. i'm sure We definitely will. But I was like I was like, oh, okay cute ah fun. Like there he is and stuff So like I honestly I I don't really care, you know, it's I think it's like Stanley, you know Like he's in every Marvel movie that's ever been made even if briefly, you know, like and I'm like, I it's just a fun little easter egg I definitely feel like they've gotten more gratuitous like you go from signs where he's just you only see his like back in like one quarter profile and then the village you just see his reflection in the TV and then it's just like yes now he's like full-blown
00:26:36
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guild a yeah he got yeah yeah yeah like you're right It has gotten it has gotten a little okay before you you know it's definitely gotten sominedly there but it definitely's gotten like yeah talk about self it's gotten it's gotten it's gotten worse over time for sure. let's Yeah, talk about self-serving. 55%, 65%. Yeah, and then IMDB, as always with IMDB, 6.2, right in the middle. I've hardly ever had a movie that I've talked about one way or another that is not between 6.0 and 6.9. They're almost always right in the middle.
00:27:16
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You know, be the dminus territory yeah exactly i am every movie on the face of the planet is, is a D minus, like, except for, you know, the Citizen Kane's and the Sixth Sense. Exactly. Like, i like you yeah I mean, but like shit, probably like it's, it's insane.
00:27:37
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It's insane. And then Metacritic, 52 from their critics there and their user, 5.6. So right on the money for Metacritic, pretty neutral. So seriously mixed. Some people really enjoyed it, some people really didn't. And more people enjoyed it than not, it seems. It seems like Metacritic, Metacritic like the critics from Rotten Tomatoes and the critics on Metacritic usually are pretty in line. It's the audiences and like the user scores that are usually pretty different. The users on Metacritic are hard on movies. i usually ways you bomb this either or anything you know i mean it's no no yeah
00:28:18
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or something like that. Yeah, there's no Mel Gibson's in this movie. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Now, Charnet is a perfectly, as far as we know, a perfectly lovely man just trying to get back into Hollywood after he took a pretty long hiatus. And I think he did a really good job. I would like to in this movie. So he was believable. He was believable. I thought he did a good job. So a lot of reviews that said he sucked. And I was like, I disagree. I would say he was like, could you cast someone better? Sure. Anybody could cast somebody better, you know, at any time.
00:28:48
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but guess how that and I had a vision for who he wanted. I feel like he got his guy. Yeah, I feel like he got his guy too. So thank you, Josh. Thank you, Josh for this way. All right. So then we're going to do the ah good quote bag quote. My favorite part is always, it's just, I just always love it. All right. So we got a good quote.
00:29:06
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This is Lindsay Barr for the Associated Press. She said, quote, we keep wanting Shyamalan to somehow give us the sixth sense or signs again. Trap is not either of those. This is a popcorn movie with a surprising turn from an underrated star. And ultimately, it's a pretty fun time at the theater end quote.
00:29:28
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Yes, everything we talked about. We love six cents. We love signs. As a fellow, charne mar I agree. yeah exactly I was like, yes, Lindsay, I'm definitely using this one because you're right. And then we got, we got, we got a guy over here, Adam Graham for Detroit news. He said, quote,
00:29:52
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A silly jumble of half ideas that confounds at every turn. Shyamalan usually waits for a twist ending to topple his movies, but this time he's off the rails right from the very start." End quote. He said, he said, usually it's like, hey, you watch M. Light Shyamalan movie and you get to the end and it's like, all the twist makes up for everything. And he was like, this movie sucked as soon as it started. Like, wow dude that's that's the vibe I got from that. Right? like Off the rails from the moment it starts, Jesus. Detroit off the- Man, Detroit must be rough out there, bro. Can't even join a popcorn, bro. Adam, baby, Adam. It's the end of the summer, dude. This is the worst time to release a movie, bro. like Adam, who hurt you? Are you okay? That's why I love the bad reviews, because it's always like- Did your dad work for WB or something, bro? Exactly.
00:30:42
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i Love the bad reviews are so much fun cuz always like who hurt you and what can we do to fix this? You are not okay right now. Like you're so mean like it's the best It's like the sixth sense dude when your first movie gets to Academy Award nods like ah Of course, you're gonna be chasing that forever, dude and We chasing it forever, you know, and you don't really lose a piece of that magic when that's kind of your goal I feel like 100% Yeah, but I know there's no there's no doubt that you're gonna fucking you're gonna fucking lose some of it You know what I mean? It's like absolutely you can't how could you not you know what I mean? Like yeah, it's ridiculous. Um who Excuse me. Um So, yeah, I don't know I
00:31:29
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i Should we just jump right into the self-service thing? Sure. Let's do it. Okay. so I guess the premise of the movie, for those of you who say I'm seeing it right, so there's this R and&B singer. ah Dad is taking his daughter to the concert. There's a lot of police there. Turns out they're looking for a serial killer. The dad is the serial killer through a rude Goldberg series of events.
00:31:52
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ah He eventually is captured, and then ah he reveals that he like has gotten away, basically. We'll go into more detail, but basically the story is he's about to be captured, he gets out of it, he gets out of it, he gets out of it. like All this stuff kind of just happens for him, and then he like gets away still. I saw i saw one review, that one negative review that was like, it was like M. Night Shyamalan shows us the meaning of white straight male privilege.
00:32:19
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Dude, that's probably the scariest thing about this whole thing. How many times did you think to yourself, now i could get i I probably could have got away with that too. i just yeah Exactly. guy yeah guy guy guy was like like When I first read that review, i i was like yeah i at first I was like, i was like oh, okay, all right. like and Then I was like i kind of thought about it and I was like,
00:32:42
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You know, the person who wrote this review is making a pretty fucking good point now that I'm, like, kind of looking at how the movie went down and stuff. So, like, yeah, it's ridiculous, dude. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, let's go ahead and let's dive into the self-service. So, the R and&B singer. Yeah. Lady Raven is her name in the in the movie. Knight callback. Yeah, right. um so I was like, when the movie started, it starts off like with one of the songs and stuff. And I was like, damn, this is actually kind of like, this is like, yeah, and stuff. And like all like the whole it's so there's lots of the songs from it's really a concert for this person. So it's like an entire thing, obviously. <unk> like like so Have you ever seen a Taylor Swift concert? That's that's what it reminded me of. You mean like when I was there? Oh, sick. That's what I forgot you went. Yeah. It was so lit. Bro, that concert's lit, bro. It was lit. Yeah. It had this vibe, for sure, where it was like, i was just like all it was super flamboyant, lots of stuff going on. like Very much era's tour energy is what the point was. I mean, Kendrick is the same way, dude. yeah His concert is the same way. Big screens showing all the close-ups of the dancers and him, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Full production, costume changes, like crazy. Yeah. like when the lights came When all the phone lights came out, I was like,
00:33:55
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Yeah. Yep. This is exactly. yeah yeah And they had the wristbands that lit up and stuff that was really at the Air's tour. They were like, hey, put this wristband on. And then like they like were doing stuff like you could see it was like like making hearts based on where you were sitting and stuff. That's awesome. So I was doing shit like that. Yeah. um Long story short, ah the actress is M. Night Shyamalan's daughter, who is an up and coming R&B musician. Yeah, this is just like Does that make it feel like a commercial team in some ways? Yeah, exactly. It's like, I liked the movie a lot more until like came like I came out because like, I forget what the name of the art or like her name as an artist, it but it does it's one word name. It's like sha day. It's like one of those words, like okay just just sha day. It doesn't have Shyamalan at the end of it. Right. um
00:34:47
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But like, when you go and like, yeah I was like, listen to a couple of songs, I was like, damn, like, she's pretty good. Like, this is not bad. But then like, I was like, about the artist, I was like, where'd she come from? Like, like, like, how did he find her and stuff? And it like, Louis says on Spotify about the artist, like the second or third sentence, is like daughter of M. Night Shyamalan and his wife, like that. And I was like, yeah.
00:35:05
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oh okay so that's interesting and it's like did he write this entire movie so she could have a platform to release this album because it's all songs written and performed by this artist like She wrote all the songs. She made all the songs. And I'm not saying it again. I'm not saying that they're bad. I really like the first song that is played in the movie. It's like Down On You or something like that. Something like that. It's solid. I highly recommend it. Whether you like the movie or not, her music is good. I mean, the features were good in the songs too. Yeah, the features were good. And the fucking Kid Cudi shows up. And it's a feature in one of the songs. And it's really good, actually. It's insane. And it was like... Damn, she's good. I'm going to follow her and be like, hey, let's go check her out. What if he was like, listen, I'm just going to throw you a concert. I'm going to pay all these extras to be there and you give a real concert, but also I'm going to be filming a movie while we're filming. Also, we're doing a movie and stuff and it's like, what are you talking about? He's like, it's really fucked up and you're going to be in a really couple scary scenes and stuff. Okay, babe, gives her a kiss on the forehead and goes to the writing room. I'm not gonna lie, that did turn me off a little bit to the movie. Is that not just the definition of nepotism? For the most part, it was either just her hooks or it played her music in the background while other characters were talking.
00:36:37
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Yes. so like It's not like here's a whole fucking like scene of just one of the songs and her dancing and doing the thing. Definitely could have been way worse. It could have been so much worse. No doubt no doubt about it. but yeah the There is a little bit of a self service ish like, okay, this is slowly gotten more and more prevalent kind of in his work, you know, he plays her uncle in the movie yeah are able to get her on stage like stage to like do whatever. So I didn't know that it was his daughter until after I had seen the movie. And so, you know, listening, like driving, like, why would you say uncle, dude? Why won't you just be like, I'm her manager or I'm her guy? really yeah maybe Like, that's part of it, too. It's like, why are you making this decision to be like, to tell the audience I'm related to this girl? Like, I'm exactly how I'm really. Actually, what?
00:37:36
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and like What the fuck is that? It's That part, yeah that drove me crazy, but because i like I had a couple of errands to run like after I got out of the movie and I was like, I just like put on the album because I was like, I really like that first song and stuff. And I was like, and I was just like, cruise mall. And I was like, okay, yeah, she good. She ain't no chaperone, but like it is what it is. like I was like, she bopping. It's good. This is funny. And then like,
00:38:02
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And then I started like getting all the stuff together, investigating like and stuff. And I was like, well, I want to learn more about that artist and stuff. And it's like, but damn, it it's just fucking about it. So that really, that does take take ah take me out of it a little bit, yeah for sure, because it's like... It's like your M Night Shyamalan. You can make any movie you want because you have the money and people will let you do anything you want. You also have, you have your own production company at this point. Your daughter is an up and coming R and&B artist. She's very talented. There's no doubt about it. Yeah. Did you write this movie with the intent of getting people because like all of her top songs.
00:38:37
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are with the ones from this movie. Her top song right now is the one with Kid Cudi. The one that I like the most, that's the first one that's played, is not even in her top five, and that's the best one in my opinion. yeah But it's all from this like music for the movie trap like gotcha like album that just came out as the movie came out and stuff. Again, I'm not knocking the hustle necessarily because she is genuinely really good. she I actually really like the music and stuff.
00:39:02
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because I was thinking like a soundtrack to a movie brilliant dude why would you not and then you have all the rights to that music for that movie basically you know what I mean like yeah totally dude it totally makes sense but when you first hear that like when you first come across it does feel in a little like It's a little dirty, it's a little slimy. It's Hollywood, bro. You know what I mean? It's Hollywood and like, ah yeah, Hollywood's fucking slimy shit. So like, it is what it is. Nicklaus Cage changed his last name for a reason, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. like there's like There's lots of people who are... very closely related to lots of people that you would never know because the yeah green ah because you know when you become and you come a part of SAG, you have to have an original name that's never been used before. So it's like, cool, I'm going to drop my obvious family name. yeah like you know
00:39:49
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yeah They're getting a lot more casual about it, you know ah like Kirk Douglas, they're getting a lot more, they're not keeping the last name Douglas anymore. you know They're changing it it up to like yeah because people are a little annoyed by it at this point. exactly um and like Is it all just the same four families?
00:40:05
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Exactly. that like i mean much yeah probably week like it's the one percent yeah it's the one percent like exactly it's Are they white or are they Will Smith? like exactly Exactly. Exactly. It's the same. I will say, Jaden Smith's ah album is actually pretty good. There's some good songs on his album. His acting isn't good. He needs to just keep doing the music. There's some on, um I can't even remember the name of the album, but there's some, song like Lost Boys is one of the songs on one of his albums. That's a fucking good ass song. I can never describe it after Earth from my brain, dude. That's all. No, say and I'll never forget the memes.
00:40:39
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and nice and at night and Will Smith and JD should all be ashamed of yourselves. Which is insane. I forgot or maybe just genuinely never knew when I was like, I was like, I need to look at like, I was like, I know he's done a bunch of stuff. Like, and I'm like forgetting some totally forgot that he did that one. And he had cast Will Smith and Jaden Smith. The whole movie is a twist that gives itself away in the title. yeah Because it's it's there are. And it's the twist is there on Earth.
00:41:11
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I can think of a single movie that does that twist a lot better. Do you know what it is yeah written by Rod Sterling of the Twilight Zone who created the fucking gotcha twist in like this kind of thing. Like yeah you're telling me you can be better than Rod Sterling M night. You think you can talk about British cock.
00:41:34
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but okay lot of bars Why don't you just do what you do and stop trying to be better than other people like that? Exactly in defense of this movie I feel like he goes back regardless of the self-service with his daughter and stuff. Again, her music is good. If you don't watch the movie, listen to the album. It's really good. Let me just type in trap movie on Spotify. It'll be the first thing that comes up and it's really good. I showed Austin. I was like, what do you think of this song? I played the one that I like and she was like, okay. I was like, it's from the movie. I just went and watched. She was like, okay. It's a bop. It's good. It got everything you wanted.
00:42:15
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regardless of that. um I think this movie he does go back a little bit to form. The problem is his form is we expect to have like a major twist by the end and the whole time I was waiting for that twist and spoiler alert, there is no major groundbreaking or glass shattering twist. Which was, which honestly in my mind for me was insane. Like I was like, what? There's no like,
00:42:40
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Really big like this is what's actually like ah like when when she's talking to him When a lady Raven, no lady Ravens in the car and she's talking to him like his mom and so I was like, oh my god Is this is I was like, oh my god Is the twist gonna be that he is getting beat by his mom right now? And none of this has ever happened and this is like him like does a sodium associating what he could be and something I like cuz you know, I am night is I was like Is this going to be a snow globe situation? Is this going to be a dream situation? like I was like kind of getting mad, but I was like, okay, here comes the d twist. like yeah yeah and stuff and like and then like But no, it wasn't. She was just playing into- I thought the twist was that it was his wife that left the receipt. She's the one that caused the slip up, basically. like but That was the twist to me.
00:43:27
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that's what i'm saying like you didn't find that out until he's like how did i yeah i don't know how they found it and she's like i left the receipt i made i tore it so it looked like an accident yeah because he was like i never made a mistake or whatever yeah exactly you know because that you're trying to do that too as the viewer you're like this guy's so meticulous dude he like folds his napkin yeah mean lapkin at the concession stand when he folded that i was like okay it was like ah they say it so I'm not like trying to diagnose like as like someone who's not trying to do and stuff he's OCD and like they show you that like even when like he gets her out of the bathroom and he fixed the towel real quick and stuff and then goes and stuff I was like okay cool like kind like like yeah he is that meticulous like that's it's nice that he does I don't think Josh Hardnut does a really good job of like yeah making sure to hit those joints in a really casual way you know like
00:44:13
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and um The other thing too is like when they're, um and this is again, I think goes back to Shonilon's strengths of show, don't tell is like, they don't mention that until the FBI profiler is the one who says it. And number two is like when they're coming into the neighborhood and they're driving the limo and she's like, let me go visit your house, Riley. His yard is the only yard that doesn't have leaves in it. Every other yard on those shots coming in have those yellow leaves all over except for his and it is immaculate.
00:44:43
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and is immaculate and that's what I'm saying dude that has never pointed out in the whole film overtly and that is what Shyamalan is those background those real quick blink and you miss it yeah details that tell a story under the story and so completely miss that yes like that's insane like that's so good yeah that's it's so good like I love He's like that's why and that's like that's the thing it's like I knew like I knew you were gonna hit me with some shit like that i was like i'm on the f of this movie and I know Drew loves him night like ah like has a lot of ah appreciation for him night like you've already said and stuff and it's like I know that there's stuff that I miss that if I watch it again I will
00:45:26
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Probably like it more honestly, like I'll like no I'll like okay. I know how this ends now. Let me rewatch it this one I feel like with all M night, you know, like it Demands a second viewing and stuff. Yeah, like sometimes it all comes to streaming though. Yeah, exactly I'm not going to go back to the theater to see it. Yeah, exactly like it's like the happening i've seen I went and saw in the theaters signs us on the theaters again, too, man Uh, I wish I, I wish I was old enough to have seen those in the theaters to be able to fully appreciate it like that. Like, yeah um, but like, like the happening I've seen twice. I was like, I'm going to watch it again just to be safe. And I was like, nope, this is no, this one's just not, this one is just not good. This one just doesn't work, but this one I feel like could, could get better with like more viewings for sure. Cause like I.
00:46:14
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I completely missed that. The leaves on the ground. That's so good. That's so fucking good. The scenes where they're first coming into the neighborhood and it's just showing the limousine shots and it's just like cut after cut. Another scene too, dude. And this is what I was telling you at the end of explaining this scene to you. This is what I'll tell you, my one in the chamber that I had about. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. So the scene where the FBI profiler is talking to the wife and she's like, are you sure you don't want to come stay with them? And she's like, no, I'm going to stay here.
00:46:40
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and she there and i It's like oh yeah stay in your murder house with the murder tunnel. You know, like, and I was like, there must be, she must be staying for a reason, right? Right. But the scene where she puts the kettle on and you can see that the kettle is extremely reflective. You can see the whole kitchen behind her and you're like, I was going to see something. i do beto Yeah, I was like, I was like,
00:47:02
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i was like i'm the only one here if only they gave me a way to pause this so i could just look at everything like i was like you don't see anything i mean you can't see anything there's nothing moves or anything you know like and then it cuts it pans back like it pans back out and it shows her and then she gets up on the kettle and then it comes in on her back And yeah you know, as the viewer, you're like, oh, he's right behind her, dude. He's right behind her. And then it cuts and there's nothing, dude. And you're like, oh, she's just standing there. And then he talks from the table in the dark. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. He is right there. dude Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this is what I think about Shyamalan, dude, is that he has like Spielberg level framing of like shots and cinematography because like Spielberg like he could tell a whole story of exposition and just one take and make it so interesting. And if he cut, it was for a good reason.
00:47:49
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and Like I feel like Shyamalan is the same way like when he wants you to notice something he'll linger on a shot He'll make it you know like or he'll center on someone you know what I mean like it's just I think that he has that eye for storytelling where he's like yeah here's what the normies the normies are gonna get what's right in front of him what's in the foreground the person telling the story and He used to be able to go watch it a second time or really have their eye out on the first rewatch. you know like But I feel like a rewatch could even maybe cheapen the film because there are some things that definitely like break his way that you're just are so almost implausible. He grabs the dude's apron, the wallet's in there, at the wallet has the card in it right on top. you know like Yeah, like super easy to find back.
00:48:31
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like i mean in that moment less fine it fine It's fine it's like sometimes like happenstance is a part of life so like it does you can't ask you can't add like He caught a lucky break. He's a piece of shit. He's a fucking murderer. He's the butcher Yeah, yeah, but he catches a lucky break even bad guys catch a lucky break sometimes like it happens, but like Yeah, that scene with a that kettle pot scene, we'll just call it the kettle scene. I really love that and like you're 100% right because like that's exactly what Spielberg does. It definitely felt super Spielberg and like because um I remember in college, I took ah intro to film. It's the only one that's offered at UTC is intro to film. It's the only one. It's okay. Long story short,
00:49:15
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she assigned she like the teacher would assign like you're gonna watch this American movie and do a report on it and then you're gonna watch this foreign movie and do a report on it and she kind of like had a questionnaire about like what kind of movies do you like like what have you seen what have you not and stuff and everything and so she picked me close to cows in the third kind because I actually hadn't seen it yet oh nice In college, and I hadn't seen Close to Cattle as a third kind, which is the insane. right yeah Anybody who knows me, it's insane. I now have it on VHS, and it's the only way to watch it. It's the way to watch it. Oh, you want to watch the 4K one? Fuck you. That one sucks. The VHS way is the only way to watch it. Her team collection my ass, bro. Steven Spielberg is not um in the Criterion Collection because he is too snooty that he doesn't want them to have the rights to his distribution because he has his own distribution company and he can't fucking deal with it. He doesn't care. He wants to make the movies the way he wants to make them and not have their level, his level. Oh, Steven Spielberg. Yes. Yes. He has a certain way that he wants to do stuff. I'm going to blame that on Disney. Not on him. It's fine. It's fine. Is he some color in that scene? She's the only purple is the only like non-natural color in that scene as well. So your eye is immediately just constantly drawn to it and then it just pushes in so uncomfortably close.
00:50:33
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Oh, yeah, you know exactly like and you're waiting to see him in the kettle like you're yeah this you're waiting for it You know what I mean? Like I've seen enough horror movies to know I like there's so there should be something there. It's not yeah, he's behind her. He's not Like hey, babe, or like whatever the fuck he says. Whoa. Holy shit. There he is. Like it's like ah it's like a yeah, which I really like and he does it really well um actually I actually have another example of when that's done wrong something like that. Yeah But uh the closing counter is a third kind go back to Steven Spielberg real quick. Oh, yeah that shot of uh Uh, Richard Dreyfus and he's playing with the stuff, making the tower and stuff, making devil's tower and stuff. And behind him, you can't even really see the TV. You can't even really see the TV, but you can hear what the TV is saying. And it's talking about how people are flocking to devil's power for some fucking reason and no one knows why. And he's building it and stuff. You were like, you were like, you're making Devil's Tower. He's making Devil's Tower. And then eventually he like turns around. It's something along the lines of like, he turns around to like, get more material or something. And like, it happens to be a shot of Devil's Tower. He stops and he's staring at it. And he's like, I need to go there and stuff. Like, yeah, like,
00:51:42
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It's so good. I wrote that as like part of like how good Steven Spielberg was in that report and stuff. My teacher gave me a 95% on that paper because, and she said, she left to know, this would have been a hundred if you would have cited your source of who noticed this moment in this movie. And I went to her and I was like, I noticed it. I can't, and i so I can't source myself in my own paper. That was me. That's an original thought. Zenga.com slash Jacob. I was like, I was like, do you want me to have a website and put this paper up so I can fucking cite my own? Like I was like, are you kidding me? And she was like, okay, whatever. It's a peer review. Exactly. Like she was like, I was like, I was like, I came up with that. I noticed that. Like, I know. Like, I like movies. Like I'm taking this class for a fucking reason. Like, yeah, exactly. I'm like.
00:52:29
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was like I was like, I know Steven Spielberg's style. like I know what to look for and stuff. And she like kind of went back and forth with me. Not anything against her. She was a perfectly fine teacher and stuff. But she just like didn't believe me. And I was like, that's annoying. kind like i like i I let the 95 stand. like I'm not going to argue. yeah like It was more like, this is the only thing you wrote on my paper is like why you took points off. And like I just want to let you know, I did this. I've seen that. I've seen it like myself.
00:52:56
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So go into the, uh, Oh, is something there or something? Not like a bad way to do that. I haven't seen the movie. Um, but it's in the trailer, which is even more annoying. Uh, cause I did see the trailer. I was forced to, when I went to see another movie, like forced to see trailers then. And it was like, if I see a movie, if I see a trailer in the movie while I'm waiting for another movie, that's okay. It's like part of the experience. I wish they were actually at the end cause they're called trailers. So. That's what they used to be. They used to be like, the end, because the credits were at the end, the trailers were at the end, so the other way around. But now, you know, marketing, advertising, PR. That's like George Lucas. I love him. But yeah, it's fine. Love what he's done for me. Star Wars. Indiana Jones. But um it's ah one of the it's one of the fucking
00:53:43
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God, I'm not gonna go on a whole rant about this. It's one of those terrible fucking movies, not The Conjuring. The Conjuring one's good. It's one of those terrible movies about the Warren family, like this supernatural, like the paranormal investigators, the Warrens, Ed and Lorraine. Oh, yeah, yeah. We used to sell their book all the time.
00:53:59
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Yeah, I don't think it's conjuring two. It's definitely not three, because this was before that. It's like one of the none ones, or maybe one of the one ones. But it's like, she's in the basement. Lorraine is in the basement. Again, I'm not going to go on a whole tangent about how they suck, and they were complete fraudsters, and they were pieces of shit. It's fine. Look it up. Look it up. This is not about this. This is research. This podcast isn't about this. Look in the description below.
00:54:23
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I can literally send you links to podcasts that talk about this that are really good. Link in the description below. op podcast It's really good. yeah oh yeah But ah regardless, it's like she's in the basement and there's a big old thing with a fucking sheet on it. She takes sheet down, it's a mirror.
00:54:41
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And you're like, oh oh wait, there's nothing in the mirror. And then she hears something and then she turns around and there's nothing there. And then she turns around to the mirror again. There's nothing there. And it goes back and forth like that for fucking 10 seconds.
00:54:53
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or something like like so like like a ridiculous amount of time. it's way too late And then she finally turns around, and then boom, there it is. yeah And it's like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, like that's insane. like there's So there's a right way and a wrong way to do that, like in a movie. And M. Night fucking nailed it. it's a yeah It's a, oh, it's there. We know it's there. And now and now we're getting it on the third beat. again Comedy comes in threes. Horror comes in threes too. Comedy writing is very similar. Yeah, exactly. It's like, yeah a like it's about a building so absolutely suspense. Exactly. And that's what I feel like he did in this movie. So like, remember, I had not seen a trailer for anything. I'm sitting next to Laura. we We're, we're on a handful of people in the theater.
00:55:36
Speaker
We're watching it and that he's like noticing all these police and then he's like I'm gonna go to the bathroom stay right here And I was like, ah I lean over Lord. and I'm like, oh someone's gonna kidnap his daughter, you know and So I'm thinking we're gonna get like there a situation like that movie with ah I think his prisoners Hugh Jackman and Jake Gyllenhaal where they kidnapped his daughters and yes What a good movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, a very good flick an evil No, way but come on. Yeah, and Paul Dano's the bad guy the guy colors and stuff yeah Yeah Such a good such a good film quote unquote bad guy. Maybe. Yeah, exactly. It's gonna be like that. Like he's not really a bad guy. But someone takes his kid and it turns out he is like a Dexter type serial killer. And he just man it and kills this guy because he they took his daughter. But yeah, absolutely wasn't that but I like how he built tension where he's like noticing all of these police and you're like, Why is he noticing police? And you're like, Oh, he's a firefighter. Okay, so maybe it's like a safety thing. He's just like, Okay, that makes sense. Like, building tension are you're good and diffusing it. You know, you're like, why is he? Oh, okay. Then like when a trap door opens, you're like, Oh, he's going to go. Cause at that point, you know, you're like, Oh, he's going to And he's looking at the guy on his phone. Yeah, exactly. He's checking on him, which is, I feel like another OCD thing. Like you got to constantly check on him, you know? Oh yeah. He's checking on him constantly. And he's got that weird like Ram app or whatever the fuck it is. Like we're just Like something weird like butcher spelled out or something, you know, like that.
00:57:05
Speaker
yeah Thank you. Awesome. Nice. What a boss. What a boss. Love you. Drew says hi. Gangster. Hi. What's up? She says hi as she rolls her eyes. I text her and I'm like, yeah you bring me another beer. I got to text my kids in in like 20 minutes anyway, so we'll have like a quick quick break real quick. A little time for you to roll some ads, you know? Yeah, hell yeah. yeah' literally Just go tuck them in and kiss them on the forehead.
00:57:37
Speaker
Hell yeah, dude. But no. And so I thought he did, it in this movie, he did a lot of realistic ways. Like his daughter being like, no, dad, why would we do that? We're not supposed to go down there. Like my 10 year old, 100% would say that to me. Be like, no way, dude. We're not, we're not doing that, dad. You raised me better than that. And so like, he diffuses that tension, but then he kind of builds it back because he's like still looking at it. He's still thinking about it, you know? And like, and so, oh, for sure.
00:57:58
Speaker
and And I liked too how like there were scenes where people would disappear out of the frame and then it shows like just his mom is the old you find out it's his mom but the old woman is just standing there and he's not noticing any other person there. Yeah and then Shyamalan uses that again when he walks out onto the roof.
00:58:16
Speaker
and he doesn't see anybody there because he's not even like focused on it dude like he's not even thinking he's just thinking like i'm escaped i'm outside my next step yeah and then when it he cuts back to the cop comes around the pillar and then it cuts back to josh hartman and he know he's gonna cut and then it cuts back and there's like cops all over the place up there there's like 10 of them because that was my first thought with that so you know was like i was like How the fuck is there no police on the top of this building? They have a whole swat thing because like yeah part of it too was I was like, like in the movie, I was like, I know what the movie is about cause I saw the trailer, you know, like, and stuff. And I was like, they're saying that's what the trap is and stuff. And I was like, I was like, I totally feel for him. Even if he isn't actually the killer, I was like, maybe the twist is it's not him in some way. Like and stuff. Yeah.
00:58:58
Speaker
Again, it's hard to go into an M Night movie without thinking that there's some twist right and stuff that like where it's like what you think is not what you think and stuff. And I was like, I would also be like, why the fuck are there so many fucking cops here right now? This is insane. Like I was like, I was like, man, i I like to go to concerts and like get my swerve on, like get some drinks going, and do some dance and stuff. If I went to the bathroom and there was like 50 cops lined up against the wall, I would be like,
00:59:27
Speaker
what's happening like yeah freaking out dude like yeah he's like hey man what's going on dude yeah he talks to that guy i yeah love jamie but the dude i that was the funny i was walking out of the theater and then like i heard the cut and i was like yeah i was like wait there's a scene happening and stuff that shit was so fucking funny i love jamie the character he's like yeah what does he say he's like uh he's like you're not squeamish are you and he's like not really like sometimes it the he was like like i'm super obsessed with this butcher guy like he shows in the picture and stuff and like yeah i love that dude so much it was which was funny because it's like it's actually a very jordan peale uh get out like his buddy that was I don't think I don't see it as a rip-off I think it's see it as like a like honestly like kind of like a nod to like that kind of a character who like and stuff but yeah that was that was just so fucking funny like just a derail real quick just like he was so funny dude oh my god I helped him I ever help anybody like talking to anybody at work ever again like that like getting the box cutter and he's like you're gonna need this you hang on that exactly like be safe
01:00:32
Speaker
This is so fucking funny dude. It is so interesting seeing like I think you're you're a hundred percent right with that like a building of suspense because um well, you know and like going back to Hitchcock and stuff like Hitchcock is um He talks about like you've heard the Hitchcock like thing of like Suspense with the bomb under the table. Yeah, exactly i've heard that exactly like for any yeah For anybody who doesn't know there's a bomb under the table. Yeah, it's like you know exactly yeah Oh yeah, if you're anybody who doesn't know it's like if you're there's a board meeting going on and a bomb just goes off and like kills a bunch of people that's very jarring to see an audience suspense is when you show that there's a bomb under the table
01:01:14
Speaker
and no timer, like I think he specifically says like there's not a timer on it. You just like show that there's a bomb under the table and then you cut back and forth from the bomb to the ah to the board meeting and then it goes off at some point because then you got your whole check offs gun thing. It's like, well, yeah you know that there's a bomb, so it has to go off at some point. And the audience is like, there's a bomb. And you're freaking out. is like what It's a dramatic irony where it's like, you know what's happening, but they don't. And and they're arguing about like last year's profits or whatever. It's like this very ban on like. discussion waterboard meeting like a boring ass meeting and stuff but you're just like oh god oh god oh god and that's like why is there a bomb why is there a bomb for this boring ass meeting what's the point like and stuff is that just boom a bomb goes off and you're like whoa what the fuck like yeah i mean it takes you from Hitchcock to Michael Bay you know what I mean like you're like are you doing are you doing fucking Hitchcock and stuff and he does a really really really good job with all that stuff this is more this movie is more Hitchcock than the happening
01:02:11
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. like And like he almost makes you root for Josh Hartnett's character because you have this shared anxiety with him about trying to get out. And then like, as you know, cis white males, hetero males, basically, like, dude, how many times have you walked up to someone in just a complete place and like, dude, isn't that crazy? What's going on? And they just told you everything. Basically, when I worked at the news station and I had to love your work for Channel 3, by the way.
01:02:40
Speaker
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Check it out. i definite I don't know where you can check it out. There's no way. I sure know the stories are still there, but like maybe they used some of my B-roll. Yeah, it was super easy. I'd have to go like to like go to a place where a house was being burned down or there was like shots fired because I worked the night shift.
01:03:01
Speaker
up yeah like I, I'm going to go ahead and blow up my spotlight. I don't think anybody from champion doesn't matter. Like at this point, honestly, but like yeah never going back to the news. I, uh, would not try to talk to the, uh, uh, people whose house we're getting burnt down. They're like, they're always like, try to talk to the family if you can. And I was like, I am not going to talk to them. I only talked to the officials here here and be like, yeah, they wouldn't talk to me because they would always be like, yeah, of course they wouldn't, but like, you have to try. And I'm like, but I definitely tried. I did not. I'm just gonna blow up my own spot. i I was like, I'm not doing that. That's so fun. Like, I yeah i i hate that. ah But going up and talking to the cops, going up and talking to the firefighters and stuff, totally like fucking cis white man with a fucking mustache in the south. And like, it was just like, I'd roll up and like, I'd have my hair up. Like I have long hair, like I'd have my hair up. So like, I wouldn't be like, oh, it's fucking a hippie pot hat or anything. Like, it's stuff like to guy they' just be like, oh, yeah, you work for the news. And they're like, it's like, Well, I'll tell you as much as I can but we're gonna do like, you know a press release at some point But like this is the basic details and stuff you can send it to your guys They're like that stuff and I was like cool and I was like I like literally never had to show my badge to any of these people I I just had a I just had a halfway decent camera on a tripod and just would roll up and be like
01:04:16
Speaker
so what's up like like what do i what do you want me to do and they were like all right here's everything about this situation and i was like cool and i'd take a couple shots and i'd be like well i'm gonna leave now i literally like i have a i have a good enough camera now like that like i've gotten recently that like i could if i could walk up I could walk up in my own car, probably. a like dollar since youulation scenario I could go nightcrawler. I could go fucking nightcrawler, dude. I have a good enough camera now like that like is my own personal camera that I could walk up and be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm with the news. I'm with the news, like, what's going on here? And they'd be like, oh yeah, this is everything that happened that we can tell you. They'll do a press release later. And I'm like, cool, sounds good. like and
01:04:56
Speaker
Because the pressure release just sends it to every news agency. like You'll need like, which one are you with? like They don't ask anything.
Symbolism and Societal Stereotypes
01:05:01
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Never showed my badge. My badge was always in my fucking pocket because I never needed it. like and they're like that and like That's part of this movie though. It is. 100%. It's dude. It's like I hate it, but I think it's part of the point of the movie.
01:05:18
Speaker
Yeah. This is also a commentary there. Yeah, exactly. It's like, hey, guess what? Also, ah these people, these these fucking serial killers are most often white cis men. It's like, is there a problem there? Yes. You can do whatever you want. We're not going to question you that hard, but also you're probably the person we should be looking for. You know what I mean? like Absolutely. it's and it's like But it's so subtle, you know what I mean? like it It feels super subtle. he literally like There was a lot of like happenstance when he's like, oh, just got to go check on the coffee. hu You know what I mean, like check on the coffee, give me more coffee as he walks through the entire fucking SWAT team and stuff. And then like he's like making coffee and then the one cop is like, Oh, would you guys have any more sugar? yeah And he's like, oh yeah, like this guy, random name, should have set more out. Like, and he opens the drawer and there's just a whole thing of sugar right there. And he's like, oh, you can use my personal stash and slides it over to him and it's no problem. He walks away and stuff like.
01:06:17
Speaker
i I for a second, I was like, it was like, obviously, it's in like a sugar thing. And I was like, what if I was like, what if it's salt? Like, what if it's salt and it starts to pick up? And the cop is like, that's salt. What do you mean? This is your secret? Like in the
Suspense Techniques and Misdirection
01:06:28
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cut catches on it? I was like, I had that. But like, yeah that's part of the suspense building. I was like, yeah. And then immediately one you made a mistake.
01:06:34
Speaker
what and then he walk And then he just walks right back through, throws the coffee away, pulls out the t-shirt, and walks back out into the crowd. And it's insane. it's like That is good shit right there. I do like how he was thwarted, even up to the very end, where he's like, the only way out is through the backstage. And like as an audience member, that is revealed to you within the first 20 or 25 minutes. you knows that That's the only way. Only her personal crew gets out. yeah And then I love how Shyamalan,
01:07:00
Speaker
He has characters whisper to each other, and Josh Hartman is really trying hard to listen, and so you as an audience member is also like, are they saying something, you know? But like the music is like playing in the background, you know? And it's just like, and you know, they're probably not saying anything to each other except like, hey, yeah, she's got leukemia, you know, like let her do her thing or whatever, you know? Like, but yeah like are they talking about me, you know? And and so it's like, is the twist that the trap is actually at his house, you know? like Yeah, exactly. Yeah. like See, I was kind of also like something that like once they got backstage, so when he um the leukemia thing when he like tell so he tells M. Night Shyamalan's uh character the uncle yeah of the uncle raven the uncle raven the uncle raven we call him Odin I think so Odin he tells Odin that that's amazing yes so Odin he tells Odin
01:07:45
Speaker
Um, like, oh, like she had leukemia and she's recovering and she's like, look at her. She's freaking out and like, and stuff like, oh, like she'd be the dream girl so they can get backstage and stuff and everything. And like, that ends up working and everything. And like, that's great and stuff. But, uh, exactly. Um, but then like, that was one of the things that I was like, that was a suspense building thing. Cause I was like, who's going to slip up and mention it to her. Yeah. She's good she's like a 12 or 13 year old girl. She's going to go, yeah.
01:08:14
Speaker
She probably isn't gonna say this exactly, but she's gonna be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, exactly. I have always been perfectly healthy. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, because he has because he's able to do the, like, he's gonna be able to, like, split. Exactly, which I do have something to say about that in a little bit. Okay, okay. One thing, one, the there was a mistake in that regard, I think. Oh, okay. but um so he um he goes and like they go backstage and stuff all of the i thought part of the twist was like the lady raven like was like doing some weird fucked up thing like some kind of like oh weird ritual or something because there were so many moments of girls being way too drunk
01:08:56
Speaker
Oh yeah. when there's like yeah push out stuff He pushes the one girl down the stairs because she's too drunk. It's like clear. It's like like her like like girlfriend or friend or whoever like goes gets her water. and He like pushes her down to like try to get out the front door. That'll work. and like
Realism and Logical Consistency in 'Trap'
01:09:09
Speaker
While he's backstage and she's up there doing like the dream girl stuff, there's two more that come back. and they're like really fucked up. don't yeah I, I, I be drinking at shows and it's fun. Like as part of what you do, it costs a lot of money, but you budget for it. You know what I mean? Cause it's like $10 for a fucking beer. It's ridiculous. yeah But that's the whole different rant for a whole different podcast. But indeed that's not the point. The point is it's like, there was, that was happening a lot. And again, part of the twist of this one is like, and for me is like,
01:09:42
Speaker
is that what it is like i was like oh yeah is there some really fucked up shit going blood way oh we go you're supernatural here yeah like is it goingnna go weird is you know super weird and stuff and like it did i thought they were just trying to get likeage that's what i like they were just like faking it but yeah but does yeah help sort kind of come back with ice and everything and one thing once they actually get into the the like The medical tent. The medical tent and stuff. like It's like, oh no, this girl actually really fucked up. like she' not She's not okay. She's dehydrated or whatever. She really dehydrated. like had too my like Took too many drugs, drank too much beer. Locked her legs for 25 seconds. Yeah, right. like some Some shit like that. but like that was like and Honestly, I feel like i'm liking this movie the more we talk about it because like i feel like he knows that people expect like a hard twist and that was like and he was like the biggest twist we're gonna get is his wife's the one that ratted him out which is like set the stones to rat him out which is
01:10:35
Speaker
such a, I mean, for lack of a way to better put it, it's a pretty basic fucking like reveal, especially for M9. You know what I mean? Like, and I'm like, so the whole time I was like, it's this it's ah it's like my suspense was going crazy, you know, but like, but everything's still pretty much logically made sense and stuff. I still work in the parameters of like the world we are nobody in that Nobody made like a stupid decision, right? There wasn't a single point where somebody just made such a boneheaded decision. You were like, why would you ever do that as a rational thinking adult, you know? Exactly. Even when the, I think the closest we get to that is when they're trying to go backstage and the SWAT guy's like, I have to check him. Yeah, exactly. And then ah Odin is like, is like, yeah you know who I am. Like, come on. Like he's with us. It's the team girl thing. Like he's fine. And then
Profiling and Societal Commentary
01:11:23
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he like thinks about it for a second. It's like,
01:11:25
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i find like and stuff he's like i can easily dude from get out at first i like is that yeah right um but I think and but that's what's awesome is like that's the closest like yeah ah like not unnamed character get to making a stupid mistake like that. and It's still totally logical and totally reasonable. Oh yeah, dude, the cynicism level of like, here we are, we're standing at this place, we're backstage. The chances of him being back here are so astronomically low. Exactly. One in three thousand or six thousand or however many there were, you know what I mean? Yeah.
01:12:01
Speaker
Yeah, I love you. I did actually really think it was uh, it was kind of funny like it was kind of funny in a way like a like a sociological way I guess like where um It makes sense in terms of filmmaking but it's also kind of funny in a sociological way because it's like when he first notices that cops are like going up to 30s or 40s year old white men and like taking them away and stuff. It's at the top of the arena. And then like, so like cinematically, narratively, it's like, hey, they're on the floor and they're getting closer and closer and closer. And like, he has less and less time to escape. It's like, that makes sense and stuff. But also it is kind of funny. It's like, well, this guy's a fucking fucked up criminal. He's definitely got the cheap seats. Like, so we're going to start there and work our way down. And it's like, yeah.
01:12:52
Speaker
No, we can get out and then secure your way up. Yeah, exactly. The floor where people paid more and they have more privilege, which is what somebody would do. You have a profiler for the FBI. He was like really good. And it's like said, he is a well-to-do smart, probably has OCD guy. He probably has four seats for his daughter. Like, you know what I mean? He probably has four seats if he's going to be at this show. But they're like, well, you know, these fucking criminals are always poor and stupid. So we're going to start up with the poor folk up top and work our way down. We'll catch him in the 200s, not the 300s for sure. I feel like at first it was like people of color as well that they were pulling out, wasn't it? There was a couple, there was a couple. Because all they knew that they were like, it's definitely a dude based on the criminology and the profiling and stuff. Probably has a kid with him. Probably has a kid with him probably this age. So it was... Like that, and then they, but then he gets the, um, the, uh, radio when he does the coffee thing and hears, and I think that's when they, I don't think they narrow it down in terms of race, but they narrow it down in terms of like, he has like a tattoo of some kind of amp on his arm and stuff like that. And he steals the slap bracelet and covers it up and stuff. And it's like, so they actually never get like.
01:14:07
Speaker
They don't like overtly kind of like the show, not tell kind of thing. They start with people of color, it seemed like for the first couple, then it's white guys and stuff. So it's like, which is a really good psychological thriller thing where it's like they're not only physically getting closer, they're getting closer to what I look like and stuff, which is really great. And then they're just like, we stop everybody no matter what. No matter what, which is great in the way you should do it. Also, this profiler must be not that good because again,
01:14:38
Speaker
Most of the time, it's a white cis fucking man who's the serial killer. Yeah. Black people, Asian people, fuck it. They don't, they're way less likely in this country. Obviously they get their own problems away yeah you know like, obviously in fucking like Asia where it's mostly Asian people, your serial girls are probably going to be Asian, but they're still going to be straight dudes most of the time. You know what I mean? You're in a man. other like he yeah other than the dc sniper i can't think of like and maybe the boston bombings i can't think of a person of color who was implicated in a mass killing you know what i mean like not a lot there's a lot of what and one of the one of the outliers is jeffrey donmer who was gay
01:15:18
Speaker
Yeah, and he's an outlier and somebody was a white man and they didn't want to deal with him because they're like, ew, gross and stuff. And he lived in a black apartment building on purpose. So they would think that he was a victim. It was an Asian kid that got away, right? They were worried about him because he was white living in a bad neighborhood, quote unquote, and stuff like it's ridiculous. So like yeah that, like they do start with the POC people and stuff. And it's like, yeah well, you're such a good profile. Again, I'm a big true crime fan too. So it's like, it's like,
01:15:47
Speaker
but's That's you in there because it's usually the other way around as a white man. It's usually my fault. I had too much time and money in my hands. exactly I bored. You know, you get bored. If you don't have hobbies, you become a serial killer. Exactly. Exactly. And then your hobby becomes being a serial
Character Dynamics and Suspense
01:16:07
Speaker
killer. And again, you can just Walk into the middle of a SWAT meeting where they're talking about you actively and not be like I'd be like Oh, he's got a bad job. He's fine. Like oh, he knows the password. It's fine Which is ability of him was definitely very jarring, you know, like you could blend in anywhere. Honestly, you yeah, exactly he Honestly, there were certain moments where it was like if he wasn't which I think was intentional and I get filmmaking thing Yeah, and stuff. It wasn't like a I say this is a positive where it was generally like
01:16:37
Speaker
Genuinely, where I was like, if it wasn't focused on him with such a the shot wasn't such a excuse me, if the aperture wasn't so low, where everything was blurry, if it was like a wide open aperture, where everything was in frame, I wouldn't have been able to pick him out of a crowd. I love the crowd that way during certain shots. Like they're focusing on him. So I know where he is. Yeah, you know, like someone said that they're like, yeah, he looks just like the guy that's stuck around at school at the drop off line would be like,
01:17:06
Speaker
look at that's the firefighter you know like you right and also he drives the minivan yeah that's his car it's established that his car yeah and so exactly such a wholesome dude stuff and everything which is very immaculate Oh, yeah. Oh god, of course. Uh, like, you know, it is like that. No fries in the car. No fries in the car. No fucking the ah the ah windows on child lock using the control of the windows. No doubt. But it's insane. Um, yeah because like he, um, ah, fuck, I had it for a second. Um, it doesn't matter. It would was illustrate the point of like, he just, everything is in control and everybody will just let him do whatever he wants. Now.
01:17:50
Speaker
I do have one issue. Honestly, one of my only issues, I think at first, when I first started talking about it, I was just kind of let down because I was like, there's no big fucking crazy twist. It's at night. Where's the fucking? I see dead people. You're dead. thing Like, i like well just like Lindsay from AP said, like, I wanted that, but it's still good popcorn. Maybe. Yeah. Like I'm i'm getting there. um He specifically says he's like.
01:18:17
Speaker
Um, he, when he has, he's got lady Raven in the car and they're about to leave. He opens the garage and his family's right there. And he's like, they're like, well, he's probably not going to run us over. Right. Like, so they stand in front of the car, like is the intent of that, obviously. yeah And it's like, and then he specifically says, I locked them in Riley's room. There's a window with a door with a tree. That's easy to get out of. I've never looked at this house in that lens.
01:18:45
Speaker
Yeah. 10 minutes later cut to,
Protagonist's Conflict and Unraveling
01:18:47
Speaker
there's a secret passageway that goes to the neighbor yards and gets out. So like, so he did look at the house in that lens. He had an escape route. Ah, I see what you're saying. Yeah. yeah He's like, i have a I never, I never, I'm sure you do, but like, yeah like please explain it to me. Cause I'm like, that's one of my major things of like storytelling issues, which is Even when the story is bad, it still makes sense in the world and like the construct of the story that M. Night sets out. That was the one where I was like, he specifically says, I've never looked at this place in that lens because I keep my life separate. but Also, they bust in and they're like, there is a secret passageway that leads out to the neighbor's yard so he can run away, which is the definition of looking at it in that lens. yeah Make that make sense for me, please. okay
01:19:33
Speaker
So they established that he kept the two lives separate. So in the sense of that the two lives separate, the wires never cross, right? You know, he says that like, There is still – they still have to at least be parallel to each other, right? right Because if they're ever not parallel, they will cross yes at some point down the line. Yeah, you have to pay enough attention to push away a little bit. Right. So on a subconscious level, he knows I have to have a way to get out of here to keep the lives parallel. Maybe that's just how he got out and killed people was through that passageway.
01:20:05
Speaker
And so in my mind, what he said, I never thought of it that way. It's like he never thought his kids would be the one that so he never had to worry about how to get out of her room because he never thought because he was so good at keeping things separate that she would be the one who would.
01:20:20
Speaker
get out and and tell on him basically right that that's why she would get out. So that's what I thought is like on one level he was like, yeah, I have a, cause he also keeps his tools there in the garage. He does that secret compartment. there that secret is part of there yeah So obviously he's got some overlap. He drives the black car still, you know what I mean? he yeah Like he has a contingency plan. Right. You know, he's a fire guy. So he knows the fire codes and which houses are abandoned. So there's definitely like, even though they are separate, they still are parallel to each other. There's still enough, you know, kind of overlap in the sense of like,
01:20:49
Speaker
one does affect the other in the way. and In his mind, like as perfect as he is, that's not something he saw coming. and Then like once that happens, it like sets off a chain of events of him just fucking up basically because he's like so off base from that point. like he doesn't eat He's just acting emotionally. Well, he starts he starts super off base because he in that moment because like as soon as she snack Lady Raven snags his phone,
01:21:14
Speaker
Yeah. I thought he killed his wife. I thought he killed them outside the door. He loses it at that point. And it's all downhill for him from there, obviously. I thought he was coming through with an axe, bro. Do you think we're going to have a shining moment right there, dude? 100% I thought I had something like that going or he's gonna he was gonna cuz you know, obviously he's a firefighter So I know I know he knows how to kick down a door. Yeah, you know, I mean like there's no way he doesn't Like I don't want to I'm not trying to bust this down and I can't do this. Yeah, exactly That makes complete and total sense to honestly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I hear what you're saying about the contingency plan I and everything, but in the parallel of the lives and stuff, you have to do some work to keep them parallel so they don't overlap. But if you're going to have the time to have an escape tunnel,
01:22:05
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yeah it exist the
01:22:11
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You know what I'm going to make sure before I have an escape tunnel, I'm going to check all the exits. I'm going to check all the entrances and exits before I get to a fucking tunnel.
01:22:28
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and stuff so like That's the only thing that I'm like, yeah that kind of misses a little bit. But honestly, even that being the only thing is not that bad. I also didn't really understand, I guess, like just full blown narratively. I don't really understand like
01:22:48
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What was his plan? Obviously he was like, I'm telling lady Raven, I'm the butcher. You're going to help me get out of here. I'm going to kill this fucking dude that I have because I got the carbon monoxide thing and stuff was like, so was he going to just, obviously she's going to, once she leaves, she's going to call the fucking cops and they're going to show up yeah because he's going to leave like with that, with that bag and everything. like that was his plan um And so we don't get to that moment because she shuts them down sooner rather than later and stuff. So he was just going to obey it in his family and run away basically. like I think so, yeah. I'm not saying that I think that's dumb or like so like I think that's fair and I think that makes sense. It's like he's like, I just got to go at this point. I'm back against the wall. I got to go because I still want to keep killing people. so I think he realizes that like the only person on the planet who ever could have betrayed me is my wife.
01:23:40
Speaker
that is the only person who could know in the end. And that's when he comes that realization when he comes back. And he's like, I just gotta know one thing. How did you know because that he's coming to the realization at that point that the only person and she's like, I smell the clinic and he's like, well,
01:23:54
Speaker
Nothing you could do about that. I guess it's going to end every other way. It's ended. You know, he's like, did you think I was having an affair yeah an affair? Like, is that what made she's like, yeah, that's what started it. Yeah. she like then i And then I broke into your safe house. Yeah. there Wasn't anything there. But the thought just hit me and it just wouldn't leave. And yeah, it wouldn't leave me. like there would to her do that And I really and I really feel for her in that moment, too, because it's like I really feel for her in that moment because it's like she's like.
01:24:24
Speaker
I thought worst, like best case scenario, they would stop you, find you, talk to you and dismiss you. this guy what shenna says that She's like, it's got to be a mistake. We can talk to them. I can tell them that and i genuine believe her i believe that in that moment yeah but she's like i just help him yeah she's like, I believe that this is wrong. And like, this was the only way to do it without forcing my hand of like calling the cops, having them show up and be like, your wife is scared of you. You know, like that's,
01:24:51
Speaker
That's not good. That's a domestic violence, you know what I mean? that's like that's ah That's a really bad thing. Even if he's not the butcher, that's just bad. They're getting divorced. You can't, you think I'm a fucking serial killer? Like, you know, like, and I'm not like, that's bad. Like, that's a bad thing
Control, Technology, and Character Duality
01:25:05
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and stuff. And like, so she did it the most like third party way she could figure to do it and stuff. So like, I respect all that and stuff, but yeah, I don't know. I, I don't know. I genuinely.
01:25:19
Speaker
I think I like this movie. So we're talking about how basically the mistake that he made was the wife smelled the chemical. She thought it wasn't fair. She's like, worst case, you know, like we'll talk to him and we'll tell him it was just an affair, you know. Yeah. And then I love how she like plays his OCD against him because he's I'm going to eat this in five bites. And she's like, I know, because she knows that he mechanically is just going to put it into his mouth while he like does his rant thing and gets it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I really like chemicals from her bag and stuff. and she like this just how you Is this how you did it? And he was like, just to calm him down and it's like that's about standing up to three tasers bro but like also like that's really scary with the pills where he's like i just did this to calm him down it's like oh you didn't get the pills you did more fucked up shit this was just a screaming and shit like that's fucking yeah because obviously you butchered him you butchered him a lot bro or is that like what is happening yeah fucking three tasers even after that and stuff that poor guy getting his fucking eyes fucking like yeah he gets his thumbs in his and that dude's eyes real hard
01:26:18
Speaker
Which is a bummer like he doesn't he doesn't move again after that. He's definitely dead. Yeah, he's guy Yeah, I if he's not dead he I would if that was me. It's like if I'm not dead I'm just gonna lie here and I let him think I'm dead like like that but Yeah, not to back up too much, but I do want to point out one other piece of storytelling that I really loved that as an older millennial, like I probably would have missed it if I hadn't really just been watching that movie with that kind of like, I have like, Oh my gosh, this feels like a shaon I need to pay attention. today It really feels like a lot. Yeah. So when she's playing the piano and the girl sits down and she grabs her phone and puts it in her pocket and then the dad, you know, Hartnett is like taking the recording with his phone.
01:26:57
Speaker
And then she grabs it and she knows that because, you know, he's had it out and like been recording and stuff like that, it's open. And so she doesn't have to enter the code to unlock it. yeah so She's able to talk to the guy. I was like.
01:27:08
Speaker
Dude, as like, ah as like a Gen Z or Gen Alpha kid, you know, like that totally that the fact that they would think about that and know like, yeah, if he's doing it. I can take it and go do what I need to do with it real quick. Like, and then the live stream to like crowdsource. Yes, dude. That was she fucking cool. I love that. Me too. Like, and they like literally, like, are you like reading the chat? Oh, yeah. I love you. Hey, why haven't you messaged me back? You know, it's just like all these they like, oh, my God. like people were like, what's going on? Like what the fuck is this? She looks kind of scared, guys. Yeah, she looks scared. Like, is this serious? Like, if people, like, what are you doing? Like, that what is that noise? Like, yeah, all this stuff. It's like, like, literally, like if Taylor Swift, like, like was in that situation, yeah they would be able to find this person just as fast. like that like And I love that intent, like that intent of that moment. Cause like, cause like, I was thinking when like he had the phone, it's like, I was thinking like he's not,
01:28:03
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Like I was thinking like he's not recording her. He's holding, he has the button. Oh yeah. yeah He's just going to, he's just going to tell his daughter like, oops, I fucked up. You know, your old dad like fucked up, taking her, taking a video and stuff like so sorry, but like you always remember it and stuff like that. But I think what you're saying makes sense too, where it's like, cause like because she turns it around and like it's all i think it's like she turns around she does like that like i don't think it would be so cause when she grabbed it i thought she was goingnna like hold it up and then riley was going to be like what's that and then was go start a whole conversation on yeah sort like that's what i had thought but like i think what you're saying makes sense where it's like he was taking a video i grabs she grabs it flips over to the photo like she knows how to do that super speed is obviously because she's as Gen Z or and stuff like she knows how they work and everything. Yeah, I love those moments like like those kind of things. It felt very real and something like and way the way they're right like wasn't in the way of the like
01:29:03
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The, uh, the like juxtaposition of like the narratives are like his two lives where it's like, they're, they, the parallel, they getting closer and closer. The longer this lady Raven girl is in this house and stuff. And it's just like going and go. And then finally she takes his phone and he's like, it's over. I am. She forces him, the dad to admit that he's him, the butcher. Like he says to her like, okay, you know what? You got caught me.
01:29:30
Speaker
Yeah, I should die. This should be the end for me. But true. Yeah, that's actually more of that. We're not going to do that. So but yeah, I mean, I just I love I thought he did a great job of building suspense throughout the film, the self insert. It is what it is. I guess it it is. one is it's Honestly, honestly.
01:29:46
Speaker
Yeah. Pretty, it pretty fucking awesome. Like, yeah, as weird as this is gonna be to say, it's like pretty dope nepotism, dude. She's, she's great. She's great. like your Songs are, their songs are bopping, dude. Like, I like that his own trope to kind of like play us into the red herrings as well. You know, mean he knows his reputation. You know what I mean? Like, And I think he kind of played that against the audience in a, in a fun way. That's like, yeah, I know what you guys think. And, and here's how that's not going to work out this time. it like Again, again, I was super convinced when that sec, when they were backstage, that second girl came in super drunk and was like falling over and stuff. I was like, I was like, this is some super fucked up ritual that's happening. That's what it is. And it's like, it's a trap. The trap is the people in attendance, not the serial killer. Like I was like, this, that that's what it was for like yeah a solid 15 minutes. I was like, they're all gonna die. Like, and that's what the point is and stuff in some fucked up weird way and stuff. So I i like how he did that, honestly. Like, I think he did that on purpose, which is absolutely, absolutely. Do you have anything else super pressing?
Personal Expectations and Conclusion
01:30:55
Speaker
Not really. I mean, I think my final score would be like a seven, three and a half probably. It was, it was enjoyable to me. I'll probably watch it again when it comes out on streaming, try and catch some details. Maybe, you know, like, yeah, I'd say seven, seven out of 10, 3.5 out of five stars. Like I, it was, I thought it was going to be a straight two. Like I did too. I had my expectations were in the cellar, dude. I cannot explain to you how my wife was like, the only thing playing is trap. And I was like, I guess we'll see that.
01:31:20
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. And I was like, I've not even seen a trailer. Let's just like see it. Oh, I'm not trying one. Yeah. Squeak out another movie. I guess we'll go. I never saw the devil in the elevator and from the trailer and it was the old woman. So I was like, I'm not watching the trailer. At least if I go see this movie, I'm not going to be spoiled on it. You know what I mean? Like, let me just go see it and try and enjoy it. And I did. I did. did I did. I did. I did. Thank you for texting me about it because I genuinely probably would not have gone to see this movie in theaters if you had texted me. I've been like,
01:31:50
Speaker
Hey, uh, I want to be on the pod to talk about this. Cause like, yes, I, I don't know how to feel like, and like, it's like, it's good. It's bad. There's a lot and stuff. And I was like, okay. Like I would not have gone to see this movie. the theater yeah I would have, I would have not gone to see it, but like I'm really happy I did because I.
01:32:07
Speaker
genuinely enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I I agree, I agree. I'm an alpha here, man. Yeah, thank you for having me so much, dude. Thank you for being here. Anything you want to plug? Oh, yeah, thank you. Yeah, so I do have, I do have a stream on YouTube. I've got some shorts on there, too. But yeah, youtube dot.com at Drubius, D-R-U-B-I-U-S, Dais, D-A-I-S, like a pavilion that you said, up but no one knows how to pronounce it. So I should probably change it because I'm sabotaging myself. But youtube big dot.com at DrubiusDais.
01:32:37
Speaker
Thanks, man. It has meaning to me, and that's why I do it anyway. So it's just fun. I just play a lot of games. I play whatever I whatever i taste that week. I change it up all the time. So yeah he check it out. He ain't over here playing the most popular game that every streamer is doing. He's playing whatever the fuck he wants, which is right. My 10-year-old is my biggest fan. He's also my biggest content suggestor. So pretty much if he's like, dad, will you play this game? And I can watch it. I'm like, yeah, man. Sure. Let's do it. Why not? High Fire Rush was a great game. I've got a great series on High Fire Rush. I've heard a lot about that. It's a good game. That's a good game. I've heard a lot about it. It's free. Definitely play it, but free ads on YouTube, dude. Uh, catch him playing some games. I watched, I watched it. I watched you play in that vampire one, like where you're just like, yeah, vampire survivors. They just released co-op for that game, dude.
01:33:29
Speaker
No way that's rap maybe made four players on the couch. Maybe, say maybe, maybe we, we've tried to do something like that. That'd be fun. Yeah. That'd be awesome. All right. We'll definitely check Drew out on YouTube for any game game stuff. I play games. I'm bad at them. It's not fun. Watching me play. Drew is different. and He's good at them. It's fun watching him play. So, uh, check him out for that. Um, yeah, good movie. I think it's good. yeah I think it's good overall. Like, uh, definitely. Yeah.
01:33:58
Speaker
yeah um sure Oh, yeah, man. Well, thank you for being on. ah Thank you for hitting me up and being like, we got to talk about this because this was this was ah ah a treat of a movie. I did not think it was going to be that good. So yeah, that was awesome. Hell yeah, man. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.