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Hot Frosty with Auston Babb - The Sheriff Nate Story
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First video episode ever! Join Auston and I as we discuss Hot Frosty, one of the many new Netflix Christmas movies that dropped just this year. It's literally about a snowman who comes to life. And he's hot. Seriously. But the real main character energy comes from my man Sheriff Nate! Listen and watch us talk about it!
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Breaking News: Bad Movie of Age
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Speaker
um We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you some breaking news. There's been reports all over the area of something crazy going on, something big. People's homes, their minds even, are being taken over by something called... What is it they're calling it? They're calling it Bad Movie of Age!
Introduction and Future Plans
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Speaker
What up nerds and Merry Christmas. We are back on Bad Movie Debate with me Jacob Babb. um I said I was gonna do video episodes before the end of next year on Last Christmas and here we are just a couple weeks away from Christmas and we're making it happen. um Which is fantastic.
Festive Wedding and Vocal Challenges
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Had to do a Christmas episode so of course Austin Babb is ah is here with me. Say hi. Hello everyone.
00:00:46
Speaker
Fantastic. yeah um Yeah, so we just went, we just had a very, our voices are a little a little janky right now, I must say, because we just had a very Christmassy, merry, and festive wedding ah this last weekend, and both of our voices are a little janky, right? Just a little bit. Yeah, we're both a little too much karaoke. A lot of singing, a lot of, it was cold, it is December, but it was beautiful, we're very happy for the two of them, and kind of in honor of them,
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Speaker
We were like, I was like, well, I need to sneak into Christmas one. We'll just do a Christmas video. Like, that'll be how we start this thing off. Hence the hat. Hence Austin's. You gonna put the hood up? Oh, of course. For a little bit. hit up I dressed up for the occasion. Yeah, there we go. Why? As festive as we can be. um But in honor of our ah Christmas loving ah friends that just got married this past weekend, we're going to do a It's the Netflix,
Review: 'Hot Frosty'
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Speaker
right? It's not it it is on that made it. Yeah. Yeah, right. There's a Netflix producer. We're doing Hot Frosty a pretty standard Hallmark kind of a tale like Christmas kind of movie. So that's what we're going for. um But first.
Top Holiday Rom-Coms Discussion
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As always, top five, top five faves of, you said holiday rom-com. I got like three holiday rom-coms, and I was like, I'm just gonna put it in a couple other holiday movies that I like, so. I just don't, I haven't seen as many as you. I like, the ones that I like are on there. It's a very specific genre, but there is a lot of it. Yeah, so I just threw in a couple more that I like. All right, give it to us. What are yours? No, you first. Oh, me? Yeah, you always first. Okay, ladies first. Host is always, well, the guest rather. Okay. So my first, this is in order of like how much I like it. So I, my number one holiday rom-com Christmas rom-com is of course the holiday. Um, which we haven't watched yet this year, but we will have, we have time. We will do it. Don't worry. Um, okay. Then the last few,
00:02:54
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nothing really like jumped out at me. So I kind of looked up some things. Um, this next movie was on in the background this weekend and I realized I was like, Oh yeah, this is such a funny movie. Uh, four Christmases is a really, it's a really good one. I think it's funny and, um, Mary like sweet. Um, and then one is not really a movie.
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It's a series and it's on Netflix. So Netflix should just sponsor your episode, but it's called Dash and Lily and it's so stinking cute and it's like a little limited series and yeah, it's Christmas rom-com pretty much yeah with a little bit of a twist.
Cheesy Christmas Movies Compared
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o um But that one and then in the ah Hallmark,
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you know, cheesy Christmas movie genre. Cause I don't really count the holiday or four Christmases as that. Like that's kind of like a higher end, like well-produced. So we watched.
00:03:52
Speaker
I don't know, like last week or something, I watched one called Christmas in Notting Hill. And I'm only putting it on here because I've watched probably about 10 cheesy Christmas movies so far, like rom-coms. Well, that's what happens when you help Antene get ready for her Christmas wedding. Yeah, we do wedding crafts and watch Christmas movies. Yeah.
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Speaker
And that one was the best one out of all of them. It's like a Ted Lasso kind of feel. They're in ok they're in England, so we have accents, which we love. Yeah, obviously. What was the name of it again? Christmas and Notting Hill. I had to look up the name. I was like, what? like um It's British as fuck. Yeah. And then the last one, another one that I kind of liked on Netflix was the holiday calendar, the holiday calendar. Yeah. It was cute. It was like about an enchanted advent calendar. That's like come to life. So wild. Yeah. I mean, it's on, uh, uh, don't worry. We have the bad Christmas movie, uh, bingo cards. Uh, we're going to go over our scores. We'll go over them later we later as we talk about the movie. We'll,
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We'll go over and see who see who won or in this case got closest to winning.
What Makes a Holiday Movie?
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because we no none No one bingoed. No one bingoed, unfortunately. um Okay, so my top five, um my absolute number one favorite one is the holiday because it has to be.
00:05:15
Speaker
I also have to genuinely like it. I like the old man story that makes me cry every time we watch it oh yeah with old man and stuff. It just absolutely just blows me away every time. um So that one's up there. Again, it's a holiday when Harry met Sally.
00:05:32
Speaker
That's not a Christmas movie. It's a holiday movie. We watched it like two or three years ago and it literally ends with them on New Year's Eve. The plot goes over, goes from like Thanksgiving to Christmas. Well I would have replaced one of the cheesy Netflix ones with that one because that's a wonderful movie but I don't really consider Christmas. But it is a Christmas, it takes place during the holidays. It's not a Christmas movie, it's a holiday movie. You know what I mean? Okay. I'm already getting yelled at. You'll be happy about this next one, Just Friends.
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That one's fun. You put that one on there, you shit on that movie so much. That one almost made it on my list as well, but it's not Christmas-focused. I went heavy Christmas-focused. It doesn't have to be Christmas, so I didn't.
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Because I just genuinely haven't seen as many But I did see on the list and I had forgot because it's been a while since Edward Scissorhands is all about the holiday It all takes place during around the hall. Also, I do love that movie. Batman Returns, dude. Okay, are you gonna say Die Hard next? No, I wasn't. I put on that first Christmas episode I did. I already did the bit Batman Returns is strictly the one with Danny DeVito and Catwoman and Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman and They do like the Christmas tree. It's literally very heavily Christmas focused. And I didn't put that one on here. It's not a rom-com in any sense. I mean, it's pretty, pretty fucking hilarious at times. And Batman is just romantic in any capacity. And Michelle Pfeiffer is Catwoman. Come on. Okay, is that actually on your list? Yeah, no Edward Scissorhands. I said not, Batman Returns, because that one is like a love story at least. Okay, yes. And this one is of course super super Christmas-y forward, maybe a little less rom, but I mean, I guess that's Charles Dickens' fault, the Muppets Christmas Carol. I hate the Muppets. No, the Muppets Christmas Carol though is
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is important is just important. It's so fucking good. The um Michael Caine, he plays Scrooge and he said like in interviews and stuff, he was like, I am going to act as if I'm performing with like the London Shakespeare Theater Company, like the highest level of like acting in the world is how he like interacted with the Muppets. And it is haunting how chilling his performance is. And then they're all just like, Oh, Mr. Scrooge, can we get Christmas off? It's
Michael Caine in 'The Muppets Christmas Carol'
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amazing. And the music and the songs are really good. So what made you pick that one over like, um, no, I mean like an actual Christmas movie, like elf or, um, alone or Christmas vacation or something. Muppets Christmas Carol, not a Christmas movie. No, it definitely is. It's just random. Um, and if you were going to go off genre, I thought you would go more with like Christmas vacation or something. See, but I've been doing this a lot. This is like the third Christmas episode. I'm trying to throw in other ones, you know what I mean? Same time. Same when I do like a sci-fi. I'm like, I can't just say alien every single time and Blade Runner every single time, you know? So that was part of it. And also, I want to watch that one probably since you paid them up itself to it while you're gone. Going to like doing your Christmas travel and stuff, ah because I do really like that one. It's fun. It's been a while. And people keep talking about it at work and stuff. And I'm like, Tammy, I need to watch that one again.
00:08:43
Speaker
Um, so those are my five years more romantically focused than me, but I got awkward. Is the genre okay of the movie that we watched? Well, this is a whole, this is a whole different thing. So ratings, Rotten Tomatoes score. this this where Amelia's gonna be mad at me because I said we couldn't do the mummy because it's a 60% it has to be 59 or less we're doing this one though because it's Rotten Tomatoes like the critics are 79% the audience is 53 and that's a weird anomaly like this is this movie like I thought audiences would have ate this shit up and critics would have been like just another copy paste like cookie cutter Christmas movie in the Hallmark style like who gives a shit but they loved it
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Like 79% for this kind of a movie is insane, and the audience giving it 53, so I felt it was worth doing. IMDb, 5.3, right in the middle, as always. Metacritic, 50 for the critic, user score, 5.6. So it got a little more love on Rotten Tomatoes, critics, but which are there sometimes like you know overlap, like critics from sites and stuff.
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um Okay, so you were looking up quotes while I was looking up quotes as the movie was starting. Did you have any you wanted to share? Because you said it's not fair that only I get to pick I get to pick the good and the bad quote.
Humorous Critics' Reviews
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um I had a funny one. I swear to God if it's the bad quote, it's not from Odie, is it? I don't know. From Boston Globe, because I swear to God if you're about to take this one from me. No, this is some like You could tell by her picture, she was like an older like mom and she was anyway, um, maybe a little bit of a Karen. So to say, um, but she said the plot is like a wholesome episode of Bluey, but somebody snuck in a bunch of dirty jokes. Oh, interesting. Her whole thing was like how much she hated it, but I felt that that part was funny. That is pretty funny. If anyone has ever seen Bluey, it's actually very endearing. Yeah, I've heard Bluey genuinely slaps. It's not like a Bob's Burgers kind of thing where it's animated, but it's like- No, it's a children's show specifically. It's specifically targeted towards children. And I have multiple coworkers who have children and they're like, yeah, no, Bluey is amazing. I love watching Bluey, genuinely. My mom hated when SpongeBob was on,
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was just for kids and stuff and like she didn't get it but like yeah apparently Bluey slaps. I'll need to watch it. They're Australian dogs. I know that. And also that's just like, how could you hate that? It's just listening to their little voices. Their little accents and stuff. But anyways, I kind of liked it because I agree. And it's like a funny thing, but it was very wholesome and like simple in the way that everything was. Oh, it's a quite simple, straightforward kind of tale for sure. But there were dirty jokes in there, which made it funny. Of course there was dirty jokes. There was a whole scene. We'll get to it. Oh, yeah. This whole scene just drove me in. It was just so annoying.
00:11:38
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ah ah personally, but whatever. Okay, so my good quote, this first one comes from, this first good quote, or the only good quote I guess, William ah Bibiani ah for the for the rap wrote, quote, it's cheap and it's silly and it has a laughable premise that some people will will mistake for terribleness, but it's also winking and whimsical. It knows what it's doing and it's doing it on purpose. Somehow it actually kind of works, end quote.
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pretty good. i I was like, I was reading that as it was coming up and I was like, okay, I like a little self-awareness for this kind of a movie. Like that's good. That's super.
'Hot Frosty': Character and Plot Analysis
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Yeah. Very self-aware, which I'll give them ups for that. But this quote is freaking funny to me.
00:12:23
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Okay, so it's ah this is from Odie Henderson for the Boston Globe said, quote, this one plays like a porn movie if all the sex were removed and the ridiculous threadbare plot were fleshed out instead, end quote.
00:12:37
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So like like the like, oh yeah, like I'm the pizza delivery man. or're like Oh, I'm here to fix your snake. And instead of like going to the the porn, it just pushes that very dumb basic premise and we they never actually do anything. like That's how he felt watching this movie. And I think that's very funny and he's not wrong. He's not wrong. Yeah, it doesn't mean it's boring though. I feel like at no point in the movie it was boring. I'm just saying. He gave it a one out of four.
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gave it a one out of four and ah He just maybe watches too much porn. I mean, maybe that's what I mean. I don't know. I don't know. if You're watching like a PG movie being like, this should be poor. I don't think that's what he's saying. He's not saying I wish this was porn. OK. All right. I don't want to have to edit all of this out to blow up people's spots here. I don't think that's what Odie was saying from the Boston Globe. Odie Henderson, that Austin Babb is calling a porn addict for no reason.
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um All right. Well anyway, that's a good quote in the bad quote um So you can't tell ah well real quick Since uh, if you can't tell I'm saying it's bad Austin saying it's good That's the positions we're taking as always before you just kind of get into yapping What was your least favorite part and I'll tell you a part I do genuinely like okay actually in this one.
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Okay, I already know what your favorite part is. um But you might not know what the second one is. And it's definitely your favorite part is gonna be everybody's favorite part. and um Okay, so my least favorite part, um who made Frosty? Like who made him?
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Or is that supposed to be part of the, part of the, the like Frosty, the snowman thing? He just shows up. I was like, who made him? Who in the town? But then I thought, Oh, who made him, who who actually sculpted? Who built? Yeah. okay Cause like they show like all of the Christmas magic. did No, I know. I'm not worried about that part of that part. You just have to believe that it's fine, but no one was was like, Oh, where did he show up? they It's from the, um, the snowman competition they had like last week. So somebody, in town yeah, but that's the thing. It's such a small town. he Like no one is mad that he got knocked over or is missing and like,
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I don't know, like no one's, anyway. That's a seem like a pretty glaring thing. I'm like, who made him? a But I think it's part like, no one makes, no one makes Frosty. No, they do build Frosty. They build Frosty the snowman. The button knows. Yeah. Yeah. That's the whole. Yeah. Anyway, um, so maybe that was part of my least favorite parts, but also like, how can he read?
00:15:20
Speaker
Oh, he literally watches TV and he can do anything. And that was hella annoying. Yeah, I mean, it's a whole like simplified thing. um But like, they they very much dumped him down in a lot of things. And then he's like reading the like doctor's notes and like understands. What's cancer? Also, I fixed your roof. yeah And I'm making pizza and eggnog from scratch.
00:15:43
Speaker
Anyway, oh you didn't have pepperoni, so I used ham. Hope that's okay. Like bro, but you don't know. Anyway, the um the only part that I thought was like inconsistent with him being like, I don't know anything. Yeah. He learned how to do a lot of stuff like building wise by watching TV. Sure. So does everyone. yeah But, um, but like he can't just know how to read.
00:16:04
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You absolutely can't just know how to read. So that was the only thing I'm like, he doesn't, he shouldn't know how to read. That is pretty consistent. Also, they can't go to Hawaii if he doesn't have a, like, identification of any kind and stuff. I'm sure they got him sorted. I know that that's another silly thing. Technically, they got him. Sheriff will get him covered. Yeah, Sheriff Nate got him sorted and made sure he got, and all that. But yeah, so my favorite two parts,
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Speaker
Can I guess? Can I just go ahead and guess? Because I already know what it is. I mean, you can. It's the um obviously the officers, Doug Judy and Boyle, coming so on the scene. Okay, so their names are Craig Robinson and Jolo Truggio. Well, they're actual names, but... Yes, they are in, they are but Detective Boyle and yeah Doug Judy, the panic band. From Book 199. So it's funny watching Doug... You know what I mean? Otherwise there would have been no conflict and the we whole movie would have been like, is she going to bang this guy who may or may not be a snowman? and You know, and like, I don't want to watch that. There are some conflicts and dramas and comedy for comedy and fucking hilarious. They were most of the calm. Well, yeah, that's that. that Yes, I agree. Just wrong. I need rom and calm. So you're agreeing that it was really great. Had a good mix of both. I'm saying that it was better than I wanted it to be. But also.
00:17:36
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that's I'm putting a lot of that on ah the two of them making it just elevating it I mean that was one of my favorite parts of the whole movie james impossible like having like any scene with them the hilarious oh yeah ah and my second favorite thing was I did actually really like the um the uh so not only did netflix insert onto the tv as soon as he starts watching tv one of their other netflix christmas movies because they have like 50 million of them now that one stars was one that stars lindsay lohan and then the girl in this is um is gretchen wieners and she's looks at her and says, she looks just like a girl I went to high school with. And then they just move on. That kind of self-word joke like that, I was like, that's really fucking funny. Because I actually didn't know it was Gretchen Wieners until she made that joke. And then I was like, that's why I recognize her. I think you've told me before that she does just do a lot of... like Hallmark type movies these days and stuff. Like that's what she does most of her stuff.
Hallmark Movies and Recurring Actors
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Speaker
Right now I'm literally googling how many she's been in because Gretchen Wiener is the queen of Hallmark movies. She's like, she's in almost every single one of them. I was looking at it while, once I figured out, like on IMDb, I went to her page and I was like, it's literally just all Hallmark and Mean Girls.
00:18:54
Speaker
More than 10 since 2020. And a shout out and a quick clip of a Nosferatu in there and you know your boy going to see that on Christmas Day. ah So that was fun. yeah so he knew he knew how to He watched that movie, 10 seconds of that movie and he knew how to they needed to make a cross and stuff. Come on, man. I don't know. That was weird too. I'm just saying. um Anyway, it doesn't give me an exact number. um AI overview tells me more than 10 since 2020.
00:19:24
Speaker
That's so a lot. And I 100% believe that. Yeah. I mean, if you go on, okay. So when I was home for Thanksgiving, me and my mom did, um, a bunch of puzzles and we put on the Hallmark Christmas movie, like channel and just let it play all day. oh yeah So she was in about three of those yeah out of the like five that we watch. yeah That's ah um more than half. Yeah. That's pretty wild.
00:19:51
Speaker
Anyways, but yeah, I thought that that was silly and funny. Like I think the whole movie is very self-aware in that way. And it just like makes you giggle. It's always good when stuff like that is like hella self-aware because it's like.
00:20:04
Speaker
I mean you just have to be for something like that also so Christmas well Christmas holiday rom-coms are so saturated like you can't but really it's it's really hard to make a ah Genuine one so it's like you got to be kind of silly and goofy and like have us. Oh, yeah, it's like this Yeah, I will say there's there's quite a few where I've like turned it on and I'm like, I'm not watching this absolutely because it's like either just like too stupid or I don't like the characters. If I don't like the characters, it's like, why would I even watch? um Or if it's like too serious. Too serious? Yeah, too serious.
00:20:41
Speaker
i I don't think I would want to watch one that was too serious. No, that's what I'm saying. That sounds fucking annoying. Well, some of them are. They're like like the Prince ones and like the oh yeah the built more Christmas. Oh, yeah. um I like them more like like silly ones. Well, let's take a look at our bingo cards now. So exciting. Because I think part of the problem is is we didn't get we didn't get um none of neither of us won. no I got closest. Well, you got close to. But I think It was too silly, because there's some serious shit that we didn't do. I know. yeah It wasn't like classic Hallmark. like This is like classic Hallmark. Also, this is like the most fun thing ever. yeah Another shout out to Antine, because these are hers. Let's see.
Christmas Movie Tropes Bingo
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Speaker
I needed a snow globe, which is shocking that there was not a snow globe in this entire movie. If somebody saw one, let me know. Did you see one and you're not and you didn't let me know? No.
00:21:38
Speaker
I needed snowglobe. So, okay, let's go through and say all of the ones that we did that we were able to check off. Okay, so bad acting is the free space. Yeah, it's the free space in the middle because at least somebody's gonna be pretty bad. Okay, you go ahead. Okay, so I have stairs wistfully at photo. um Almost immediately too. Yes. ah Works as a chef, restaurateur, or caterer. Check. She owns a diner. She owns a diner. ah Widow or widower. Check. Check. I got that one too.
00:22:10
Speaker
Fake snow on the ground, I mean, almost a given. Yeah, same. um We had someone is obsessed with Christmas. I almost didn't do this one, but we decided together that the whole town is obsessed with Christmas. The entire town is like obsessed with it. Anytime anything bad happens, they're like, it's Christmas, no one cares. Yeah, this dude literally accidentally broke into a place and like stole clothes because he was nude after he like came to life. And everyone was like, oh well. yeah Except for Doug Judy, or not Doug Judy. Sheriff Nate.
00:22:39
Speaker
Um, snooping through someone else's stuff. That one was a stretch as well, but he had to get the clothes. Like he had to snoop through the store and like take the clothes. I mean, I'll, yeah, I'll give it again. Neither of us works. It doesn't really matter. But yeah. And then we had a flirty snowball fight. Oh yeah. Also a surprise. We're breaking up.
00:22:58
Speaker
The surprise we're breaking up. Yeah, at the dance. He's like, I don't want you to get too attached to me because I'm going to melt. He was saying, I'm probably going to die. That wasn't a breakup. She immediately accepts him again and is like, no, no, it's fine. I don't care. ah Which also was ah one of the most endearing moments because I was like, holy shit, I didn't even think about it. This is really reflective of like when her husband was dying of cancer.
Sheriff Nate: A Character Study?
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And she's getting a second chance to like.
00:23:27
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go through that grieving process again, potentially, which like kind of sucks, but also I think it was good for her. you know kind of a thing Obviously, spoiler alert, he does he turns into a human by the end of it through the power of Christmas.
00:23:39
Speaker
or whatever the fuck awesomea can we talk about just real quick so i'm good to go over
00:23:46
Speaker
Oh, you don't care? No, I just, I had a thought. All right. And then we're going to go back to that. So he said that he was able to become a human through the power of Christmas. Yes, obviously. But also I think it's because she took off the scarf because he never takes off the scarf and the whole thing. At first I was like, Oh, it's because they finally kissed. But no, it wouldn't make sense. It's because she took off the scarf because the scarf she put on him when he was a snowman and she took it off of him at the very end. And then he becomes a non snowman.
00:24:13
Speaker
Okay, um, sure. Anyway, it's ridiculous no matter how you cut it. If that's an answer that you- He turns into a real boy. If that's an answer that works for you, I'm happy that
Magical Elements in 'Hot Frosty'
00:24:25
Speaker
it works. What do you think? I literally think it's as dumb and as simple as through the power of love and Christmas. Okay. He is turned into- No, don't call that dumb. Love's not dumb, neither is Christmas. Exactly. But in a movie where someone is literally an actual snowman and then turns into an actual person
00:24:45
Speaker
that is a dumb reason yeah well so that's give us your give us your bingo cards all right so all the ones i got lead character recently single widow widower, nailed it. Someone is suppressing their true talent, which was a bit of a stretch, but we went for it because this motherfucker could watch TV and then do anything in the world. As long as he's watched like, so anything and everything you possibly ever could have done. That's kind of absurd. Montage, which I didn't think I was going to get. oh We had a shopping montage, which was pretty great. And a baking, and a baking one. Uh, so crushed it, uh, picking out a Christmas tree together. We,
00:25:24
Speaker
They decorated a Christmas tree. They decorated a Christmas tree together, but they brought a real tree in from outside, so we didn't see the scene where they went and picked out a Christmas tree together, but they went and bought one together, so I'm sure they had to pick it out. A woman with a great career is sad inside. She owns a diner that is doing just fine, but she's super sad all the time. I mean, like for a legitimate reason. I'm not blowing her up. Diner scene, a lot of them, because she owns one. um Fake snow on the ground. A magical person or helper.
00:25:53
Speaker
the whole premise and um how is there an hour left in this movie still? Which there's only like 30 minutes left but I was like I cannot believe there is this much plot to go through still.
00:26:07
Speaker
It's deep. Actually, it's not. It's not deep. there was result But there was a lot of important scenes they needed to hit and everything. I marked that down before the scene at the dance when no he's like, oh, but I'm going to melt probably and like o and all that stuff. It was a sweet scene. I'm not saying it's a bad scene. I have to talk shit. I know. You're about to lose. Maybe. OK, let's see. Is there anything specific that I. OK, let's talk about um my biggest issue with the entire thing was it's only like an hour and 32 minutes long and probably
00:26:46
Speaker
A solid 20 or 30 minutes of that is dedicated to um how hot this dude is. There's Lily, he's fixing the house. but' snowing There's snow on the ground, yeah but he doesn't have a shirt on. because he He's a snowman, Jacob. He's a snowman, but he's inhuman for whatever. And this old lady like crashes her car and then she invites him over. That was a very long winded thing. It's funny. It was funny. It's fine. It was a little like overdone.
00:27:12
Speaker
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It was like, we get it. It's called hot frosty. So, okay. here Here's my thought on that. Dude was ripped. Don't get me wrong. Dude was cut. like Also, side note. His hair is beautiful and we all know. We all know I have an appreciation for that. so Side note, he is the guy from Schitt's Creek.
00:27:30
Speaker
um he was like a a minor character. Like a side character. Yeah. And I didn't know that until um I think Cara mentioned it, but yeah, he is, he is in that as well. Um, anyways, back to what I was going to say, you said that the scene was overdone and like dramatic and justly it was just like it just way extra. for a really long time so I wrote down my thoughts because I think that the entire movie is like over-exaggerated and overdone every single character. So you think, okay, obviously Frost, or I keep calling him Frosty, Jack. Jack Frost. So Jack, he is overly like simplified, like simple minded, whatever. Like he doesn't know anything. Like he's overly kind because that's what he's seen and that's what he wants to do. So he's going to do that one thing. He's not Tropic Thunder, simple Jack. He's not that simple though, don't worry.
00:28:17
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I don't know how to do the reference. Y'all know. Get in the comments, you know. Oh my gosh. But then with the two sheriffs, or the sheriff and then the... Deputy? Boil cop, Ed. Ed, yeah. So, good cop, bad cop, but very much overly exaggerated. Well again, that's the self-awareness, that's the point and stuff, and I get that.
00:28:39
Speaker
Kathy, our main character, she is like overly sad and helpless. Like, I mean, you look at the beginning of the movie and she's just like shivering in a blanket because she can't fix her. Her dead husband. I'm was just going to refer to him as dead husband because what's his name? Paul. Paul. Okay. I was like, how many times do they say it? Like four times maybe. um her ah Again, I'm just going to refer to him as dead husband um for the for the sake of it. Um, so dead husband was a like contractor. Yeah. Like worked on houses and shit. And her house is quite literally falling apart. The roof's fucked up. There's holes in the stairs. The heat doesn't work. And it's the middle. They're in New York and it's the middle of the winter, like almost Christmas time. Wait, were they in New York? Yeah. The license plate said New York at the very end.
00:29:22
Speaker
No, it takes place in a says San Francisco or Boston. Dang it. One of them, I'm sure one of them says New York. No, no, no. no At no point, because you have something that says like, somebody refers to the city. yeah no one's ah No one ever did that. No, there's one of these cards. There's like ten of these cards in the pack. There's tons of them. um It says like, set in New York or small town or something. There's another one that says like, small town is in big... um But anyway, she's like overly exaggerated how like sad and like depressed she is. and I mean, she even like says it later on. You turn to me and you're like, what? They just want to show her is like sad and helpless. But later on in the story, she's like, I haven't been taking care of myself, I haven't been taking care of my house, I haven't been taking care of anything. like I know but it's just like it's just had to wait for it.
00:30:03
Speaker
for me it's just like I get that and again I appreciate the self-awareness and stuff but like even with there's a way you can be think these things can be self-aware
Town Dynamics and Lore
00:30:12
Speaker
without being like too on the nose you know what I mean like she literally I'm there's no way she did not know i like it so he cut to the end real quick. He becomes a person or whatever and they exchange gifts. And one of the gifts he gives her is like a how to like a four dollar pair of things. Yeah. oh and And the first thing they go fix is the fucking heater. And it takes like seemingly 20 minutes for her to figure out how to like. So it's like, girl, I know you're upset. I understand. That's that sucks. What happened to you?
00:30:46
Speaker
You gotta fix your fucking heater though. Like, she's like almost dying. But again, oh, but she didn't. And it was good because then he comes and stays with her and he would have died like early on and they would have never fallen in love. I get it. I understand. That's just the whole point. Wasn't that she knew how to fix it all along. It's that like, she probably knew some of it, but the whole point was that she like didn't care enough. to do yeah but you're so all okay so also you're telling me this guy was a contractor and he died
00:31:16
Speaker
and everybody knows that she's having a hard time and one of his contracting friends, construction friends, couldn't come over and fix this, like, as to be nice, you know? Like, people bring, like, cash runs to and shit. Like, if you're in that industry and one of your coworkers slash do friends, like, leaves this woman who's anything. not taking the time to take care of it. Yeah, especially with such a small town, they should have definitely- Exactly. It's like, it's shocking that, like, the, like, people in this small town- Because they love her so much. They love her so much and they love everything so much. And then they have to wait for a literal fucking
00:31:50
Speaker
magical entity to arrive for everything in the town to get fixed. That's fucking weird. They talk about how much they love each other in that town, but then they're like, Loki not taking care of each other until he shows up. Well, yeah, but she always says, like, everyone's always asking, like, how are you really? I'm good, I'm fine, I'm good, I'm good. Like, she doesn't ask for help, she doesn't want the help. Yeah, but I would still think you would go out of your way to be like, you literally don't have heat in your home. They don't know that. Of course they do. There's no way she ain't bitching about that.
00:32:17
Speaker
No, she's not. She's like, I'm good. I'm fine. Every time anyone asks, so no one comes she's like, don't worry about me. no one Comes over to check in on her at her house. Apparently not. That's fucked up anyway. Anyway, I'm just saying. So you said that you had ah two main things. You said the one was that what was, what did you say? Oh, my main thing was, uh, the, uh,
00:32:37
Speaker
the, uh, over-sexualizing of Jack. Just like it was like too, I know, but it was like, again, there's a way to be self-aware, but still not on the, like, literally wasting 20 minutes of this movie devoted just to that. Cause then you have a whole scene with, uh,
00:32:54
Speaker
ah deputy ad where he's like ah like how do you how do you like no when it's the right time to kiss a girl i blaed him how how do you not know man you're a ten out of tenn and they have a whole conversation about hotie is again right there like and everything and again it's like funny and it's like he's like easily he's even a winning over who should be his enemy and stuff I get it.
00:33:14
Speaker
but do we really need us to have 20 minutes of that? yeah That's kind of frustrating. And then um that was my my main, main thing. And then we, I think we already went to the next thing was you guys love each other. guys You guys love this woman so much, okay but you can't take, you can't notice that you need to go to her house and see that shit's wrong. Also he's on the roof fixing her roof. You're so you're telling me people driving by couldn't see that the yeah roof was fucked up.
00:33:41
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know. I understand. Those are my two, two of my biggest issues. Um, I guess yell at me about why I'm wrong or something. Or do you have anything like that you really want to throw out there? I just want to say, so my favorite parts, cause you know, you said your favorite price at my least favorite part and then I'll usually say your least. So my favorite parts, um, of the movie were obviously um The Sheriff, Nate, and Ed. nate And ah Deputy Ed. Yes, I mean, so funny, so like silly and wholesome and like exaggerated in every way. um So they were also like their little songs.
00:34:26
Speaker
Yes, again, we were talking about it. Anytime ah Craig Robinson sings in any capacity, and this is the end. He does it a ton in ah in a Brooklyn Nine-Nine and stuff. Anytime he comes up and just do a little singing, it's hilarious. Yeah, so loved them and like every part that they had in the movie, um but also his son.
00:34:46
Speaker
So the end yeah well, not even at the end. I love the scene where I thought it was so cute. The scene where, you know, Jack is helping out at the school. He's like helping them get ready for the dance. And he's like kind of hidden over there and they don't see him. But the son and like the girl that he likes walk in to check out the decorations. And, you know, he asks her nervously if she'll go to the dance with immediate flashbacks of ah asking a girl to middle school stuff. I was like, wow.
00:35:16
Speaker
They took this from my diary that I didn't have, but I felt him in that moment. Anyway, I was like, oh, he's just so cute. And then I thought it was funny that Jack took what he saw. He was like, oh, this is true love right here in his simple mind. And he was like, I know how I'm going to ask, not Stacy, Kathy to the dance.
00:35:37
Speaker
Yeah, it was... I thought it was very cute. So he was one of my favorite minor characters, because then, yeah, at the end, he comes back in and he's the one that's gonna give... He's the one... Actually, actually, he's... probably the most important character in the entire movie. Because he is the one that has the final $10 to bail out Jack. He has the final $10 to bail out Jack, and then his dad, Sheriff Nate, finally sees, like, okay, I don't have to put on this front, I don't have to do this for people to respect me, like, I can listen to the people of my town, I can listen to my son, and, you know, love will win, whatever. But he wouldn't have done that if it wasn't for his son. Well, exactly. And Jack would be a puddle in a jail cell. Yeah, he'd be gone. Just a pile of clothes and just water everywhere. So that kid, whatever his name was, they say he says it once. They say it like once, yeah. I forget, but he saved the day. Oh, it's Matthew. Matthew! Because he goes... goes, Matthew, what are you doing here? Yeah, because he's like, but that's what honestly, then he's like, Dad, think about it. Well, that was the whole thing was that was the best because we had that scene with him earlier and he like like him and Jack like got close and stuff. We like they planted that and then they fucking reveal when he's like, I need two thousand dollars for bail and they're all getting their money out and stuff. And it's his son. Yeah, that's I loved that part. This movie is, this is a Sheriff Nate's movie. He learned more than anybody else in this town. He grew more than anybody else. He was the Grinch and his heart grew three sizes that day. This movie is, this is Sheriff Nate's movie. This isn't about Jack or Kathy. It's about him.
00:37:25
Speaker
That's fine. I mean if you watch from so you like it now, I mean, yeah like it i cast over that's how Well, no no no cuz it's not marketed that way bro, it's not it is what you make of it I mean, I guess
Final Thoughts and Self-Awareness
00:37:37
Speaker
but I do like that far, you know I mean he does like and then he I mean he's comes out whenever he's laid on the you know snow that weird scene when he's just kind of like laying there just like dead body body on the street and he's like he's like I'm sorry Kathy I didn't believe it I didn't believe but I see it now yeah literally I do just want to say though I do find it genuinely fucking insane how like
00:38:02
Speaker
They're at the diner like they take Jack and stuff and it's like he's different and the fucking doctor is like ah in town is like because he's a snowman. I also love her. Her character was very funny. Just the way she was kind of crazy like and stuff in like a fun like crazy friend way. Like she she had ah her role in that regard was very good. um But ah just the fact that this whole town is like, OK, sure.
00:38:28
Speaker
But see, that's part of that's part of the like magic of the movie. it's You don't have to judge everything or question everything. Sometimes you can just let magic be magic and just go with it. I understand. It's like obviously they all know.
00:38:42
Speaker
It's domain are real. They're just going to go with it. I mean, in this world, so many are real. Yeah. And this one is actively real. No one like Kathy herself is the one that's like the most skeptic of anyone. I mean, yeah, exactly. But like it's literally like, but that means so like if we go back, if she had like told people from the get go, that's what was happening. And like, that's who he was. Apparently they all would have been totally on board from and it would have been fine. Yeah, I mean, not Sheriff Nate, but everyone else. I mean, think about everyone else did, like everyone else that found out was like, cool. They all found out at the same time and it was in like a way that was like, you could have told us at any time and we wouldn't know. Well, no, the doctor found out and then the two store owners across the street found out. I kind of have a thought. The the people who own the store that he like busts into and stuff, they give her the scarf. Yeah, they're magic. And she I'm thinking that because she's like a winter witch.
00:39:35
Speaker
Something like that. I mean, she like kind of like has that look like honestly, like she would be like like that actress, whoever she is, like could kill like some kind of a witchy role if she really wanted to. um But anyway, what I'm saying is because she tells a story about how through happenstance she met her husband and then she says to her husband, like go get the thing. And he's like, oh, yeah, like here's this ah totally. No, she's like the like they're like the magical like Yeah, that totally is their role in it, especially like hers. but it's it's like Because the whole time they're very much like, oh, anything can happen. It's all magic. Yeah, that's what she leaves. And then they kind of like, like he says something. I can't remember what he says, but he like says something to her like cheeky about like, like, I know what you're doing.
00:40:22
Speaker
yeah kind of a thing so like exactly that's fucking weird there's there's a lot of those characters in like magical like christmas-y kind of things no i know but it's just like it's it's like you only see them in that one moment kind of roll like have that they like they do it once the very beginning and then they're just back and then they go back to just being like normal as characters and like don't do anything else except just immediately jump on board, like, okay, who gives a shit? But everybody else is doing it that way. Well, they already knew. She already knew immediately. I know. with like that They already knew that he was a snowman. I need more.
00:40:52
Speaker
So instead of wasting 20 minutes on look how hot he is, could we get a little bit more of like the more? I need lore. That's what I need. I need lore to know why this is happening. Or maybe you just let your imagination run wild and that's part of the fun of it. I'm paying to watch this. They need to explain it to me. I don't need to know. They should give me the answers, not.
00:41:13
Speaker
leave me with more. So you're not going to be a hot frosty too. It's human now. What's the point? Oh yeah. I mean, there's that was never so I'm not going to ever get any more lore. Hopefully they don't. Hopefully they don't make anyone. I mean, it would be a waste of time. they They do that with some of them. Yeah. But they gave me, they had an hour and 32 minutes to explain the magic to me and they didn't do it. I hate that.
00:41:34
Speaker
How do you mean didn't explain the magic? explain how though They didn't explain that the old lady was like... like the the yeah of the people That's left up to your like imagination. No. That it's not needed to like... It's not needed. We'll see. If they like... Yeah, I don't think that's needed at all. She's... Yeah.
00:41:55
Speaker
I don't know. It seems seems kind of fucked up, but it is what it is. um I think you're just running out of ideas. No, no, no, definitely not.
00:42:08
Speaker
Oh, it did only take 20 minutes for ah for Kathy to give an impassioned speech about ah how love works. Yeah, I thought it was well placed though. He kept saying like, I love you, I love everything. mean i get She's like, you can't keep saying you love me. That's not what it means. And then obviously at the end he says it and he's like, oh, I'm sorry, I said love. And she's like, no, it's fine this time. And then at the end she says she loves him too. Right. Also just general, ah just the general like, here's a stranger. Sure, let him stay in your house.
00:42:43
Speaker
I mean, that's just insane. But come on. This poor woman who everybody knows is not fine. Yeah, they're going to be like, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead and keep this strange man in your in your house.
00:42:56
Speaker
You know, it's not meant to be award winning or anything like that. There are a few holes and and things, but it's fine. I mean, again, we're talking about like how that's insane and where where we just got done talking about how there wasn't enough magical lore. So I don't know, maybe that world just literally works differently because it's stupid.
00:43:18
Speaker
maybe Maybe. Again, ah Sheriff Nate ah having the Grinch roll and his heart growing three sizes and finally believing in stuff. That's what i actually saved. That's what saved Jack. Possibly. I mean, you you can you can come up with your own ideas. I think it was the scarf. Maybe it was that. Maybe it was the kiss. Maybe it was the town. I think it has to be in my headcanon, which is that this is actually Sheriff Nate's story ah being told through a way less interesting story with Frosty, Pottie, and all that all those people. um ah Because it's not until he believes that yeah he gets up.
00:44:03
Speaker
There was a lot of things happening in that one minute scene. And she does take the scarf off, she does give him a kiss and stuff. And she does say that she loves him. And she does say, I love you, finally. And then he says, I'm sorry, I didn't believe. He's like, I'm sorry, I didn't believe. It was super apologetic. Again, Craig Robinson is a phenomenal actor.
00:44:22
Speaker
I don't know. You're just adding to why you liked it. So that's another thing. You can make up your own ending, not make up your own ending, but make up your own reason why. I mean, in the movie's eyes, it's just Christmas magic. What is the Christmas magic? Is it the scarf? Is it true love? Is it the sheriff finally having his heart grow three sizes? Who knows? It depends on who you are and how the movie speaks to you. Technically, it's all three at the same time. Christmas magic.
00:44:49
Speaker
embodied in the overarching, it's Christmas magic, because Christmas magic is all about belief ah and love. so and So what a wonderful Christmas movie. And actual magical scarves. Yeah. Interesting.
00:45:07
Speaker
So I think we can agree that overall, while this is not a you know masterpiece, award-winning movie, that it did exactly what it was meant to do. It was funny, it was cute, it was wholesome, it was silly, and it was a little bit raunchy here, just a few little spots. um Like goofy raunchy. Yeah, yeah. I mean, goofy is at the forefront of everything in the movie, but um yeah it does exactly what it want what it was meant to do. And you know I think that that's our show. I hope no that you that's you don't do that. You don't do that. I do that. See if you forgot anything else That's what I'm saying. My episodes are always as short as I always win You do not always win
00:45:50
Speaker
Every time I've been on this podcast, and thank you I have one. Yeah. I lose a lot of them. Um, that's kind of the point, I guess. Um, if you, if you could have pigs, cause I know your whole thing is like you let the audience, not the audience, you let the guests pick if they like the movie and then you'll say the opposite. yeah If you had to pick, um, based on like all of the other,
00:46:16
Speaker
cheesy rom-com Christmas movies that you have seen, would you have said that you liked this movie? Oh, like if we watched it and we didn't know, go ahead. Yeah, if it was like you had to- Because you watched it like last week and you were like, I liked it, I'll say I like it. Yeah, I was like, honestly, I could go either way. Yeah. Because I wouldn't watch it again, probably. Like it was, I've seen it twice now. Mm-hmm. That's enough. Yeah. But it did what it was meant to do, you know? Yeah.
00:46:43
Speaker
Would you have said, what would you have said if I hadn't picked my V first? I mean, I probably, I mean, I don't hate it, but like, I would have, rather I'd rather watch something else. Well, yeah. From the genre though. The yeah cheesy Hallmark Christmas rom-com.
00:47:05
Speaker
Well, I mean, I don't like those kind of movies in general, so it's like, yeah, I'd probably be like, eh, wasn't the worst one, you know, like it's probably the best I could give ya, which is the best I am gonna give ya, is the, sorry, Antine, but most wonderful time of the year is trash. Throwback to last Christmas. Yeah, I'm sorry, Antine, but this one was more fun than that, and somehow made more sense.
00:47:29
Speaker
then ah Which is insane, because there's like not any magic in that one. um So yeah, I'd say I like this one more than that one. So, yeah, i mean I'm gonna lose. Because again, it's Sheriff Nate's story. It's Sheriff Nate's story. Alright, well if you- Watch the movie, see what you think.
Episode Wrap-Up and Future Plans
00:47:50
Speaker
Let us know. yeah If you want to watch Sheriff Nate's story, he's in it ah enough.
00:47:56
Speaker
ah uh... it'll be fine uh... well i guess you win yay yay uh... yep well you know follow on uh... got you all that shit follow on instagram at bad movie debate uh... on tiktok until next month i guess uh... we'll see how that goes uh... bad movie debate pod um... uh... youtube because there'll be video on youtube now instead of just Audio playing since we're doing this now, so that'll be fun um Probably less costuming next time cuz it'll be January. and There's not anything really fun. Oh, no if you're on this podcast you better live up to the hype It's also very hot in here, and I don't want to I can't wait to take this hat off. I'm actively sweating um And I'm sure you are too. Well, maybe not um I'm warm and not saying something Yeah, that's fair. um All right. Well, yeah, follow on everything. um ah Yeah. Look out for on Instagram. I'm going to put up. Well, we'll know. I'll put up the post, the the ah audience scores. Like, what do you guys think? ah What is it? Have your say. Yeah. So pla I can't think of why I can't think of the word anyway. Doesn't matter. um Thanks for being here, baby.
00:49:13
Speaker
kind Welcome kind of had to be cuz I needed to get one out um And who else would you have as your first? Well, I was gonna get me. Yeah, but he was getting he was getting married and stuff So he's a little busy. So he'll be on the next one. Hopefully so guess I'll always be second best to Nick. No, thanks. Thanks for that No, it depends on the day you guys switch back and forth. Um, all right. Well Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas