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Four Weddings and a Funeral
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Oh! mumble mumble mumble! Hi! mumble mumble Emma and er uh um Katie dive into the OG mumble guy romcom Four Weddings and a funeral. They chat Hugh Grant! Andie Macdowell! Queer representation in early 90s Rom Coms! Tune in and notice if it's raining- because we haven't.
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Emma's Multifaceted Life and Cat Struggles
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but This is going to be a very fun of your job, not because of the kind of grift that you're wearing.
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No, no, no, no, no. I know, right? That's, that's my job is I'm a con woman, con medical students. But yeah, I was doing a lot of days where I had tummy troubles and then would come home, eat lunch, put on makeup and turn around and be like, so tell me about your dream dress. Oh yeah. Right.
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So it's it's a lot. Emma brain fried. Emma. You got two jobs. That's hard. Technically, I have four jobs, five jobs. Well, right. Yes, sure. That's that's way too many. And if you count my jobs as podcaster, actor and mother to two rowdy boys, my cat, that's eight jobs. I do too. You got to, you know, motherhood is a thankless job.
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It's so true. Yeah. Especially to animals. Oh, yeah, especially to animals. Because at least humans love you. Like, you know, at least they can, like, tell you what you want. I woke up this morning because Roland, this is going to be a side a side story of Emma's cat talk. Emma's cat talk. Emma's cat talk. Yeah, like so.
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It's like 1930s, like the Telegraph coming through. Emma's Cat Talk. Emma's Cat Talk. Emma's Cat Talk. I got it. Yeah. Yeah. Music. So I don't want to feed my cats too much and I don't want them to get fat.
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Um, not to body shame any fat cats. If you are a fat cat, live your life. Except for those fat cats in Washington, am I right? Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck. Sorry. You had to go there.
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ah
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Um, but yeah, so like, I only give them wet food every other day. They have things of dry food that is constantly full. They can nibble and snack throughout the day at their leisure. I'm not saying that they're not getting fed every other day. They're just only getting wet food every other day. Correct, yes. My gray cat, Roland, doesn't understand this concept.
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yeah He doesn't understand that it's every other day. So I wake up every day to him nibbling on me because he knows that it'll wake me up and just constantly screaming at me for wet food. And so then when I don't give him wet food, he follows me around and then he thinks, oh, well, whatever I'm making for breakfast, maybe that's wet food. Although in his defense, sometimes I do give him a little finger full of butter when I'm making like toast or something.
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And so he'll stand on his hind legs and like stand on me and like bug me until I give him some sort of snack. And Charlie, it doesn't happen with Charlie. It only happens with me. Well, it's because he knows you're weak, Emma. Exactly. That's what Charlie said. He's like, you know that he's mugging you off, but I don't know how to reverse that. He knows that he's what?
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He's mugging you off is what Charlie says. That's some kind of British expression. Yeah, mugging you off. like Yeah. I don't know what it means. This is a mug. Yeah. I don't know. But um but yeah, it he I don't know how to reverse this. And it is it is a constant journey. Like this morning, I just wanted to lie in bed and watch tiktoks for a hot 10 minutes.
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not Roland, he started nibbling on my butt, on my butt. Were you on your stomach or like? I was, I was on my stomach. And so he was, yeah, no, he dug in there. It'd be harder if you weren't. Yeah. um And like, I'll get under the blankets to protect my skin and my body and he'll just bite through the blankets. Oh. It's a constant struggle. I mean, did you give him something though?
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No, I'm trying to reverse it. Good for you. I don't know. Yes, I'm trying to be strong. He does not get a treat every single morning. That is not how life works. Unlike me, who does get a treat every single
Weather Woes and Fair Discussions
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morning. And when I go grocery shopping, I get myself a little treat. And when I go to the store, I get myself a little treat. I've had a hard day. I've got a day off. I get myself a little treat.
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Yeah, absolutely. Anyways, that's my struggle. How are you doing? Yeah, I get that. I'm good. um I have to go to work later, but it's fine. Yay. had um I had lots of days off last week and the week before, so yeah. Did you go to the Red Fair? No, I did not actually. um i It was too hot. It was 95 degrees.
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And it was raining and I was like, you know what, I think I'm going to stay home yeah and play a video game or read a book. And I had a great time. Oh, that's what matters. I saw all of Caitlin's pictures and I was like, well, Katie said she was going. Where's Katie? Is Katie the one taking these pictures? No, no, no, I definitely. Oh, trust me. My but my vanity would have insisted that I would be in those pictures if I had been there. But no, I'm sorry. I've still never been to the Renaissance fair. Yeah.
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I don't know, I have a group of friends going in August, but I feel like it's going to be much hotter than, but who knows, you know, like the very next week it was, cause it was like, it was like 95 degrees when they went. And then like last weekend it was like, you know, 78 or something like this would have been a great day to go to the Renaissance, but you just don't know in advance. And like everybody's schedules are hard to, to coordinate. And like that week was the only week that that that group of friends could go. So.
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yeah I don't know. The other group of friends is going on Steampunk weekend, and then I'm not super into that. But I'm like, I feel like I could be a slutty fairy no matter what. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You don't have to necessarily do the theme. That's just an opportunity for people that are really the themes to do the thing. Yeah. Because Steampunk seems.
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hot also, like the leather and buckles and goggles and like that's not like sexy. Like that's not an August time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hot, like sweaty. Yeah. Hot, like sweaty, like gross. There was an episode of Castle when I was binging Castle that was all about a steampunk murder. Of course, I know. I know all about Castle. I know that the actors hated one another. And they really. Oh, my God. Yes.
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I did not know that. Donna Cottage and um Nathan Fillion. Yeah, they really, I think they they like refused to be on set with each other like by the end or something. What? I don't know. They probably fucked. That's what happens with most of these things for the actors. like Because again, I don't think they always hated each other. It just became a thing. Because like by the time they finally got together on the show, like they they hated each other. Oh. Allegedly.
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allegedly, yes, allegedly, they hated each other. That's so interesting, because they they really sort of like there was a lot of gratuitous making it out and doing it. Now, just like really, do we have to see them doing it again? I get it. Castle and Beckett are together. They're both hot. Like, yeah, but every episode. I don't think I got that far. I never I didn't finish Castle. I know I finished i watch like five or six seasons of it it was one of those things that was like it was a very background show for me. Like, yeah.
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Um, any of those like mystery procedural things, like aside from murder, she wrote the goat, um, murder, the goat murder, she go to, I don't know. It's somewhere in there. Murder, she goat. We'll figure it out. Yeah. Murder, she goat. Yeah. I like that. Um,
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I yeah, I those things kind of tend to to fade into the background for me, but I do enjoy watching them sometimes I watched a lot of bones as well. Yeah, I tried to restart bones. And it just didn't have the same just like instant Yeah. Like, snap as Castle did. Yeah. Like, I think I need more comedy in my crime procedurals. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. What about Psych? Did you watch Psych? oh I've watched Psych like 80 times. Yeah. I love Psych. I love Psych.
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I also I haven't watched the movies, but I did watch all of the actual show of sight. But that's another one. Movies. Yeah, that's another way. They don't they don't hate each other, but they they the two actors got together. I think they got married and then got divorced or at least broke out
Oscars and Streaming Services Talk
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by the time the show was over. But they I think they have a good working relationship. As far as I know, the buzz is that they they certainly don't hate each other, but they definitely got together and then broke up. God, because they keep making those movies like turning those out.
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Yeah. And I keep forgetting where we are in the plot. Yeah. They're all on Peacock, if you want to watch.
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ah Go Get Your Girl, famously not sponsored by Peacock. But we will be. Peacock, if you want to stream our podcast exclusively, I would be happy to do I can promote all of your original program. Yeah. The Olympics are coming. Shows like
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The Traders is on Peacock? The Traders, which we've talked about. The Traders. The Traders, which, you know, still need to watch that. I have not watched that. Oh, the show with ah Natasha Lyonne. That show rules. Poker Face. Oh, Poker Face. Poker Face is a Peacock original. Yeah. Much like Murder, She Wrote. You betcha, Katie. I can bring it all back together. Yeah. Yes. Amazing.
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up There's a show called We Are Lady Parts. Oh, that's apparently really good. Really? ah Yeah. Have you not heard ah the Gillian ads for it on podcasts? They actually like. No. it was Oh. and Most of the podcasts I listen to are like low budget DIY kind of situation. I don't listen to a lot of like sponsored podcasts. I hate ads. That's my main thing. I hate ads very much. And if something has ads, I'll generally just not watch it as opposed to or listen to it.
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So like the podcast that I do listen to, I mostly pay for on Patreon, so I don't have to listen up to the ads. Nice. Very nice. Which one day we will have a Patreon. Working on that. Or ads. Or ads. We'll work on that when I don't have a rowdy son. I was about to say something very inappropriate, but it would have sexualized Roland. Oh, well, let's not do that. I don't want to do that. Yeah.
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um But um when I don't have a rowdy son who's just ripping apart my skin with his mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nope, that's not better. It's not a lot better. No.
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Anyway, so of course, this is. Go get your girl. That's right. The podcast where Emma and Katie get invited to a gajillion weddings, and they are not on time for any of them. But at one of them, they meet this mildly attractive, okay, pretty attractive person. He's so cute, Emma. Are you kidding? Oh, I'm talking about in Andy Mc-no. oh Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, I agree with you there. Yeah. She's no Margaret Qualley. Yeah. And she's annoying as fuck. And not a good actor. Let's be real. And not a good actor. But we fall in love with her and ruin our lives for her anyways. That's right. This is Go Get Your Girl. My name's Emma. I'm Katie.
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um If we ever if we ever become successful, we're going to delete delete a lot of these episodes where we're talking shit about famous people. I don't know. Annie McDowell, not very attractive, not a good actor. I mean, she's like she's pretty, pretty, but I wouldn't say that she's like the most gorgeous woman in the world.
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She's no Kristen Scott Thomas, for example. Exactly. Who is in love there? Exactly. Admitting that she's in love with Hugh Grant. And Hugh Grant's like, Oh, what? Like that. I have so many thoughts on this movie. Good. Even duck face, you know, like in a chance where there's a lovely woman and then it's not only because she's six feet tall, but I say that. Yeah. And he ruins her.
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Oh my god, poor Henrietta, but we'll get there. Right? Yeah, we will get there. and things to discuss um yeah So yes, this movie is Four Weddings and a Funeral, a rom-com classic, a staple yeah from 1994, directed by Mike Newell.
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Yeah, and written by Richard Curtis, Mike Newell. Honestly, this is what he's most famous for. um He directed some other he directed Donnie Brasco, and Mona Lisa Smile, a lot of a lot of British TV, primarily British TV until this movie. But this is what he's most famous for. And then Richard Curtis.
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is the British rom-com auteur. He ended up directing his own movies after this. But he did Love Actually. He did Notting Hill. He did Bridget Jones. He created Mr. Bean and Blackadder before this. He created that? Yeah, both of those shows. He's like a huge British like comedy writer. yeah Yeah, and then About Time, which we will never cover on this podcast. Why not? Because I'll cry the entire time. That's my favorite Richard Curtis.
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Yeah, it's the best one, um but yeah about it's about a dad and I can't handle it. i can't I haven't watched it since my dad died and I literally can't watch it. I'm serious. we We had it playing on the but at the background of our cocktail hour at our wedding. Really? Wow. Yes. That's how much Charlie and I love that movie.
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um Um, yeah, I also love that movie. And um but yeah, I seriously can't I can't do it. Yeah, I will absolutely not put you through that. I am not a cruel person. Perhaps you and Charlie could could cover it on like a side episode or something and then I don't have to watch it. Yeah. Yeah. Or, you know, we just we we leave that in the box of do not open. Do not do not open or tears. Yeah. Yeah. Well, don't dead open inside it. Yeah.
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Don't dead open inside. um and But I will put you through La La Land at one point. Well, that's fine. Yeah. i'm I'm happy to talk about La La Land. And I can convince you and everyone else how not good it is. Can you? Can you, though? No, you're allowed to like La La Land. You're allowed to. Oh, yes. And no bad movie has ever won Oscars before. It almost won Best Picture. It didn't, though.
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for two seconds. I would love, I would love if the Academy, cause like, um, what is it? The Nobel prizes, I think year, like a certain number of years after they announced the, like, I think it's like,
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maybe even 50 years, but it's a lot of years after they announced they release who was nominated. So they don't announce it when it happens, but they announce it later. I would love to like, if the academy would release the, the vote, the voting data, like wait 20 years afterward or something. And then let's find out who got second place, who got third place, like how many votes were cast. I would love that information, but they're not going to do that. I don't think, you know, no, because if it like we don in any negative way,
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Yeah, we don't know if La La Land even got second place. It was just the wrong card. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't even remember what other movies were up that year. um It was Midnight. ah Sorry, Moonlight. Not not Midnight. Moonlight, which is I mean, moon Moonlight's a great movie. obviously yeah I think that deserved to win. um I don't know. That's neither here nor there. Yeah. Who cares?
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It was the first Oscars that I didn't watch. And it was the most interesting Oscars by far. Seriously? Well, that and the Will Smith Oscars. Well, of course. And I didn't watch that either. but What? Yeah, because I used to watch every Oscars. I used to be so into it. And then because of all the buzz Lala was getting, I'm like, you know what? I don't want to watch this fucking shit. like These people, like it's all bogus. like this This sucks. I don't want to watch this. And then, of course, like a bunch of adventures. And it also had been boring. It had been boring for years.
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And so yeah, I'm not into the Oscars. um I was obsessed with them for many years, especially when I was in high school, I was super obsessed with the Oscars and I like wanted to watch every like best picture winner, which I never did and still haven't. Yep, yep. I was was really into them. Yeah, I think most people who have movie podcasts later, tend to have been into the Oscars when they were little. Yeah.
00:17:55
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Well, because it's just like an excellent sort of um cheat sheet sort of um way of narrowing down what not necessarily good films happened in the year, but at least ones that should be watched or recognized that you may not have heard of that you may not have gone to go see for sure are like outside of your realm of liking.
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And it can and and especially like recently, there's been some really cool nominees and like there's it's a way for movies that wouldn't get a huge audience to like if they win an Oscar, they can get re-released and then like a lot of people see them and the movie will make a lot more money than it would have normally. um Like Moonlight. um Yeah.
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um or spotlight or lots of other any other lights, any other movies that end in the the word light. um But there's lots of movies that I think people wouldn't like. I mean, I didn't see Kota, but yeah I know a lot of people did because it won Best Picture because that was a movie nobody saw. Yep. Yep. So it won the Oscar. Yep. And then many of us are like still not seeing it. I think it's a peacock exclusive, actually.
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Is it? I thought it was an Apple TV. It's an Apple TV. I was just. me Yeah. Also, Apple TV, if you would like to sponsor us. I mean, here's the thing, like true, true facts. Apple TV is the best streaming service. Like I know it was a joke when it was coming out because every like why does Apple need to have a streaming service? But like, honestly, everything I've watched on Apple TV has been pretty good. And by but the morning show, I think is objectively bad. But I will I will watch it. It's so fun to watch. Like it's not good.
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But it's super fun to watch. Yeah, I need to nominated for like 25 Emmy. So I'm like, really? It's yeah. There are famous people on it. Oh, yeah. I have literally no interest to watch it. Have you not watched it? No, I need. Oh, my God. It's so dumb. You should totally watch it. It's super fun.
00:19:58
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It's super fun. It's insane. The second. so I mean, the third season, too, but the second season especially is like the covid season. And it's so deranged. Oh, God. You should watch it. You should watch it. OK, I'll put it on my list after I finish under the bridge. It's no um ah for all mankind, which is my favorite show on television, which is an Apple exclusive. I tried to watch that. Well, you should try harder. OK, it's just it's about about space and your own.
00:20:28
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Yeah, and NASA. Yeah. And it's like Mad Men, if Mad Men did NASA. Okay, so here's the thing, only the first two episodes are like that. Okay. You have maybe i need to get past that to you and everyone else, you have to watch three episodes, consider it a three episode pilot. um When you get to the third episode, kind of everything changes, because the whole point of it is about like changing the status quo of the space program. yeah And like, so the the premise is what if the Soviet Union had gotten to the moon before America? And so that happens in the first episode. So everything from the first episode, like it's set in it's the 60s, it's, you know, 1969 in America, the NASA space program, everything is is historically accurate until that point, and then everything starts to change. And then progressively, as the show goes on,
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ah Like the world becomes completely unrecognizable. It's an alternate history, but those changes for a while So the cast is mostly white men the first two episodes because that was NASA in the 60s, right? Yeah, and then the third episode they decide because Russia has women astronauts they have to hire women astronauts so the third episode is all about finding a bunch of women astronauts and And then it becomes like a completely different show. And it's so fucking good. And I love it. I need to. i I will try. I will try for you, Katie. I will try again. I will try. I appreciate that. I just like was watching it and I was like, this Mad Men in space. I can't. I can't. Do you not like Mad Men either? Because I love Mad Men. I like I like Mad Men. I never finished it. um I enjoyed it for what it was. But it's just a bunch of like
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I don't know. It's boring talk. I don't.
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Well, there's explosions and like like like guns and stuff in ah in for all mankind. There's lots of like there's like some Apollo 13 kind of stuff. It's it's there's now there's something for everybody. Yeah. And there's like it. There's some sad stuff that happens and there's obviously some things that are that are bummers, but it is one of those things where it's like It is kind of like an optimistic sci-fi thing where it's like imagining a better world in a lot of ways. OK. It's cool. Cool. All right. So it was a solid like eight minutes on filming. Yep. It happened sometimes. Famously not featured in the four weddings in the funeral. No.
Four Weddings and a Funeral Deep Dive
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No one goes to space at all in four weddings in the funeral.
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peter So So basically the plot is we're following around Hugh Grant, who doesn't know how to be on time for the life of him. And like it's about Hugh Grant, but it's also about this circle of friends that are really sweet. And Notting Hill does this to to a lesser extent as well, where there's this ensemble of of British friends in their 30s, who I'm sure is Richard Curtis and his friends you know in real life. He's like, this is how people function.
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Yeah. And it's it's kind of sweet. I think this movie, the thing I wrote about this movie is that I think it functions better as a circle of friends, like rom, like dramatic comedy than it does as a rom-com. I agree. Because the rom-com, like to be such a seminal rom-com and be like one of the the biggest rom-coms of the 90s and this huge like turning point and everything.
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It's it's not that romantic. It's really not. I mean, ah when he meets so basically he meets Andy McDowell at like two different weddings. They end up banging. um He finds out she's engaged and then they bang anyways. Yeah. And then this is a cheating rom com. Yep. This is a cheating rom com, which I forgot. Yeah.
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i I haven't seen this movie in a long time. Have you seen this movie before? I had. I watched it because it was the one Richard Curtis that I had never seen. And I wanted to you know complete my my knowledge of yeah his cinema. and And so I watched it. And i felt so I did laugh a little bit more this time than I did the first time, because I think I watched it while I was baking. Sure.
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um but ah i I felt pretty similarly the about it the second watch around, which which is, I agree. I think that it's not so much a rom-com as it is ah just a nice story about a group of friends, which makes,
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the funeral, all the more heartbreaking. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's so I mean, I cried and I've seen this movie a couple, at least a couple of times. It's not like a favorite of mine. I have. why I watched it when I was a kid, I think. I think I watched it on DHS. And then I watched it at least a couple more times since then. But it is. um Yeah, it's not it's not one of my favorite. I prefer Notting Hill. Yeah. Yeah. Notting Hill is much better.
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But Hugh Grant is very cute and charming in this movie like is and this was his breakout role. This is what made Hugh Grant Hugh Grant and you can tell by his pre fixed teeth. He had done a few things like some merchant ivory movies before this but this was like this made him a star by far. Yeah, and this was kind of the character that he inhabited and like this is really like there are you know, he's not quite as doofy and floppy haired in the later movies as he is in this one. Like this is the this is Hugh Grant prime, you know, this is the Hugh Grant that you think of. This is the Hugh Grant that you think of when you think of Hugh Grant. yeah He's
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very sweet and goofy and absent minded and his hair is very floppy and um he's got glasses and he takes the glasses off and puts the glasses on and he's cute both ways. I don't know when he needs those glasses, just that he doesn't like to wear them when talking to Andy McDowell. Right, right, right, right. Well, as many people with glass I mean, both of us wear glasses. I mean, sometimes you know, you want you think you look more attractive without the glasses, even though that that might not necessarily be true. Yeah.
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He looks so cute with the glasses. He does, he looks great in glasses. Yeah, yeah, he does. So yeah, it's broken up into um really six scenes because there is one scene in between um two of the weddings. So it's, ah yeah, I mean, it's four weddings and a funeral and then one day in between two weddings. It's the days that he sees Andy and McDowell, basically, is how the movie is is split up. Because four weddings and a funeral and one day in between two of the weddings would be a too long a title.
00:27:09
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That would be way too long of a title, or um four weddings in a funeral, all and then a scene where you Hugh Grant goes wedding dress shopping with Anna McDowell is awesome too long. Yeah, he goes wedding dress shopping with her. It's weird. So yeah he has all of these delightful friends, among them the great Kristen Scott Thomas, Simon Callow, Dame Kristen Scott Thomas. Dame, I thought you said yeah game, and I'm like, what?
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No, I mean, Simon is Simon Callow, Sir Simon Callow. Also, certainly a possibility. I think so. I mean, I just freaking love Simon Callow. I love Simon Callow. Yeah. John Hannah from The Mummy. He is a CBE, but not even an OB. That's that's surprising. That is a crime against the theater actor. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.
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John Hannah from The Mummy, i the tall guy who is ah like so funny, and I don't know his name at all. He's in like all of the things. He's still in the uphill. He's in a bunch of other things. I mean, again, it's like the British Rom-Com Ensemble. it's the richard It's Richard Curtis' friends, I imagine. Rowan Atkinson is in there for a second, yes like in just like in Love, actually, where he shows up and does a little bit, and then yeah fucks off for the rest of the movie.
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And actually, the first of Emma's Fun Facts, Emma's Fun Facts. This is Rowan Atkinson's favorite film of his. This is his favorite. Yeah. Sure. I mean, I like Mr. Bean's holiday, but you know. Yeah. Apparently, he thought he was way funnier in this movie.
00:28:53
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Which he was pretty funny. Charlie lost his mind when Ron Atkinson appeared on the screen. Unsurprising. It was like, ah you know, teen girls seeing Hanson. Hanson is what you went with. Okay. Interesting.
00:29:12
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Um, that was what it was like yeah watching Charlie see Mr. Bean on the screen. Yeah. Um, he was just shrieking with his burst of the tears. but But like every single noise that Rowan Atkinson did and yeah but like first bit, Charlie lost his shit. He was like, British people love Rowan Atkinson. Um,
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Uh, it's fine. Yeah. Um, yeah Mr. Mr. Bean is funny. Um, I've never seen Blackadder, but people say that's really good. It's also a Rowan Atkinson television show. Yeah. I've seen bits. Yeah. Bits. He does little bits. Um,
00:29:56
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and Yeah, so he meets Andy McDowell, and he's like, Oh, who's that girl? And um then he's like, I'm going to go to the castle with my with my with my extremely rich friends. And it's like, Oh, no, I'll go to the bread and bread and breakfast and and have sex with Andy McDowell instead.
00:30:13
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And so he does that, and um they sleep together, and then she fucks off. And then it's like, so the first wedding is May the first. Yeah, that's the only date we get. And after that, it's like months later, months later, months later. But that means the second wedding is in August. And that means the two people who met in the first wedding meet, start dating, and decide to get married and get married all in two months, which is three three months later, which is crazy. Yeah. So that's May to August, which, I mean, like planning a wedding in three months alone is deranged. That's impossible. It's a Catholic wedding also. The second one is a Catholic wedding. Well, they got the priest because he's a friend of the family.
00:30:56
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Correct, yes. And that's Rowan Atkinson. And he has like a little bit where he's nervous and he can't say things, which is kind of Rowan Atkinson's whole deal. Also, at the weddings, they sing um they sing a song that is very traditional for British weddings called Jerusalem. um It is the Unofficial National Anthem. This very boring song. on Anglican.
00:31:25
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um charles Anglican songs are the worst songs in the world. um Caitlin's family is Anglican or Episcopal as they call it in America. And when I first went to church with her for the first time,
00:31:39
Speaker
Like, first of all, all the like standing and the sitting and the nightmare. And I'm like, I'm not a church person anyway. Like, I don't go to church, but like we, it was like, it was, you know, we were visiting her family or something and they're like, we're going to church. I'm like, okay. yeah And I was like, the first thing I noticed was like, the music is awful. Oh yeah. I grew up going to, I mean, Southern going to Southern Baptist church and I stopped going to church when I was like, I don't know, 12 or something, but still.
00:32:04
Speaker
Like there's classic songs, like the songs have melodies and stuff. Whereas the Anglican hymns are mostly poems from the Book of Common Prayer, which someone set some someone who has no sense of of tone or melody set to music at some point.
00:32:21
Speaker
but My guess is that they made them up as they went along. It was some panther or something, got up in the church and had the Book of Common Prayer and started reading the poem and was like, such and such and such and such and just kind of made up random music as he went. And that's kind of what all the songs sound like yeah to me. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Just dreadful.
00:32:48
Speaker
um So yeah, four weddings and a funeral. It's relevant. That's something that happens in the movie. Yeah, it is. It is. Oh, this wasn't a fun fact that actually I feel would have made the movie better. So there is a cut scene that we never got. Let me find it. Is it Simon Callow and John Hannah kissing? No. Yeah, that's a shame. No, I know.
00:33:18
Speaker
I know. Yeah, we'll get to that. That's a whole. It was 1994. It's kind of a big deal that they had a gay couple in the movie at all in 1994. Very true. But they do not kiss at any point in the movie, which is disappointing and sucks.
00:33:34
Speaker
I thought that they, like, kissed on the cheek um at the first scene when they were making breakfast. Maybe, maybe. He has, like, shaving cream on his face and he, like, wipes it off for him. And that's how you know they're together. Yeah, that's how you know they're together. I mean, they live together also. And maybe um maybe he kisses them on the cheek. I don't remember. Yeah. um Charlie had no idea that they were together at the funeral scene. He was like, wait. He was like, they're not gay.
00:34:03
Speaker
Oh my God, Charlie. Have you never seen the movie before? You've never seen the movie. Okay. Okay. Well, that's fair enough. At the scratch wedding. That's wild. That's wild to me. Right. Right. Because it's so obvious. And I mean, they even at one point, like, um John Hannah is talking about the first time that he saw Simon Cowell at like a wedding and saw him dancing. And you're just like, Oh, well, this is obviously a couple.
00:34:30
Speaker
Um, yeah but Charlie's defense was at Andy McDowell's Scottish wedding in the Highlands. Uh, John Hannah walks in and he's got like kisses all over his face. He's got like lipstick. Oh, and, um, and Simon Cowell was like flirting with some American. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. They were just messing with her. That's what gay boys do. Like,
00:34:58
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um Charlie, you worked in the theater. You should know this.
00:35:05
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um i'm Okay, sorry, sorry. We derailed on the on the the the the gay ah couple. What were you going to say you had a fun fact scene that was deleted? Yeah. Emma's fun facts, Emma's fun facts. So there's a deleted scene where the backstories of the group of friends were was deleted. um And I think it would have been like a nice sort of layer to know how they all knew each other. um So just so everyone knows, Charles, who's Hugh Grant,
00:35:31
Speaker
Matthew, who's John Hannah, and Fiona, who's Dame, Chris, and Scott Thomas, all went to university together. ah Gareth, who's Simon Cowell, was a lecturer, which gives that relationship a little bit more of it. Ooh. I mean, he's like 10 years older than them, yeah. Yeah. um And then Scarlett, who is Charlotte Coleman, um was found and under Charles' kitchen table after a party and then has lived, they've lived together ever since. I thought that she was his sister.
00:36:01
Speaker
I know, yeah, it's, well, yeah, no. So they're just friends. I mean, it's better that they're friends. Like we I love to see a straight man and straight woman have a platonic friendship in a movie where no one's in love with the other one. um That is nice. They have like a big brother little sister sort of relationship. Oh, for sure, yeah. It's just platonic friendship. Yeah, good for them. Yeah. And then David is Hugh Grant's brother, obviously. Yes.
00:36:28
Speaker
Um, yeah. So, um, the two things. Oh yeah. Two things I wanted to say in the bed and breakfast scene. Um, he there's a man who's trying to hook up with Carrie, uh, Andy MacCowell's character. And he was talking about the wedding they just went to. And he said, I was at school with his brother, Buffy. Buffy. Buggered me senseless. Buggered me senseless. Jesus Christ, England.
00:36:57
Speaker
get your shit For those of you who don't translate, for those of you who don't speak British, that means this man was sexually assaulted by the sky and just like brushes it off. Well, because it was, you know,
00:37:14
Speaker
It was the 70s, 80s. I don't know when he was in school. It's the 90s. So like 20 years before 30. Yeah, still bad. It's still bad. I mean, I'm not saying there's the whole like English school tradition of which they which is actually assaulted. Well, that but part of it is is also which is like the word doesn't mean the same thing, fagging, which is what they call it in England, where it's like the older student, like makes that one of the younger students is like personal servant for a lot of things. And a lot of times that does involve sexual assault. But usually it's like, there's like a whole it's like a whole thing. It's very stupid. There's, um yeah, I've, I've read some some novels that include some of that shit.
00:37:59
Speaker
Um, also one other quote I had from that same scene, where Amy McDowell says, where I come from kissing is so is very big, which same girl. Yeah, same, same. Where I come from kissing is very big. and Where I come from is my house. Yes, I do appreciate the scene after they do it for the first time. And she tries to trick him into thinking that she is so like, um, close minded that now that they've had sex, they have to get married. And then she's, she's that kind of girl. And and because it's you, Granny, he at first takes it so seriously and he goes, uh, uh, uh, where, uh, where, uh, where you see, uh, uh, you're messing with me. oh
00:38:42
Speaker
ah lots of stammering for Mr. Grant in this movie, which is kind of his entire declaration of love to Andy McDowell is just him stammering. yeah i'm going up I guess i don't ah ah's his thing that's what he's famous for. That's his whole deal.
00:39:01
Speaker
with the exception of his Oscar-worthy performance in Paddington 2. Sure, yeah. I mean, like, and he's in lots of, like, he's got lots of, he's good in Wonka as well, which we'll get to. Like, I mean, he's doing weird stuff now. Like, now I think he's at the point where he's like, OK, fine. I'm going to get weird with it. I'm going to play Anupa Loompa. I'm going to play the villain in a bunch of, he's got a horror movie coming out where it's like some kind of, like,
00:39:29
Speaker
where he's like torturing Mormons or something. What are you, Grant? What are you, okay. It looks cool. It's called a heretic. Oh, okay. Hold on, I'll put it on my list. Shall we get to the big waistcoat in the room and just- Well, yeah, so they go to another wedding and he meets her again several months later and then he meets her fiance.
00:39:56
Speaker
Yes. ah Which is like, well, sorry, dude, you're not going to get with this American. Yeah. Which I don't get her relationship with. What is his name? It's not Bernard Hamish, Gareth Hamish Hamish. So he yeah, they're all very British names in this. Bernard is one of the people who gets married and Hamish is Bernard Simon Callow. Yeah, it's pronounced Bernard. Let's be real. It's Bernard, just like Anthony is Anthony, not Anthony. It's because it's got an H in it, you can tell. um he um I mean, did they say St. Bernard Dogs in England? i ah Yeah, I guess so. However, I did get into a fight once with a guy named Anthony, and I was like, why is it Anthony? Why isn't it Anthony? You have an H in your name. And he goes, it's just pronounced Anthony. I was like, no, it's Anthony.
00:40:50
Speaker
Well, then it's it's it's herbs and not herbs, then you you only get one. You get you have to decide. You're going to pronounce a nature, not which is absurd because English words in, you know, American and in English and and in all dialects, it's ah yeah, it's a real mixed grill on what letters we pronounce. Yeah.
00:41:10
Speaker
um yeah So then ah her fiance, because he's rich, because he's rich and old um and he owns half of Scotland. That's why she's with him. time honored tradition. Because you could be with Hugh Grant, this bumbling, gorgeous idiot. Yeah. But you're going to have plenty of money and presumably has some kind of job. Never mentioned what he does. But he keeps talking about work. He keeps saying I'm working. I'm working a lot. What are you doing? Nobody knows. Doesn't matter. He says that he's doing research on something at some point. So I assume he's got some kind of bookish like glasses job. But yup never says doesn't matter. Journalism. I don't know.
00:41:50
Speaker
I mean, his his best friend owns a castle. So like, why would you need a job? Like, if I had a castle, if I had that much money, none of my friends would need jobs. Like, I just have them all live in the castle with me. Yeah. Um, yeah, so there's a lot there's, um then Hugh Grant is seated at the table with his exes. There's a lot of body shaming, which is another British classic.
00:42:12
Speaker
British people and love a fat joke. um Yeah, they do. Even like in Wonka, which I think is a good movie, there's like it's twenty twenty four three and you're still making fat jokes like Jesus Christ British. It's a British name, I swear. Goodness, couldn't get away with that in an American movie. Yeah, not these days.
00:42:36
Speaker
And then we jump ahead a month. So it's the first time it's not, we haven't jumped ahead to a wedding. And this is the scene where he meets her and she gets him to go wedding dress shopping with her. Oh, and he sleeps with her again, sorry. After her fiance leaves, they sleep together again. So now they're cheating. They sleep together again, yeah.
00:42:56
Speaker
And then Henrietta, his ex girlfriend, who seems to be perfectly nice and and yeah has no problems with her aside from Kristin Scott Thomas calling her calling her duck face. There is a little bit that's done. That's wrong with Henrietta. I mean, she's kind of stalking him at the first two weddings. Is she? Yeah, the first wedding is she?
00:43:23
Speaker
Yes, she is. Oh, you're right. She is. Yeah. Because he gets stuck in the room where, or at the second wedding, he gets stuck in the room where um the bride and the groom are doing it. yeah And the entire time, Charlie was like, what is happening? Because it's the most absurd sex scene you'll ever see. um Like it is just jokes.
00:43:48
Speaker
clothes on, um, and just a lot of head thrashing. And it it just, it looks like a comedy sex scene. It looks more like some sort of weird, modern dance than it does sex. Um, and so Charlie was losing, he was just like, I just don't understand what's happening right now. And I was like, Oh, well, Hugh Grant is stuck in the room. And he's trying to leave. And he goes, No, I get that. I just don't understand what's happening in the room.
00:44:19
Speaker
Yeah, it's ah it's it's weird. um And he so he goes wedding dress shopping with with um Andy McDowell, and then he goes and he tells her that he thinks he loves her in a yeah very roundabout way. Yep, very kind. And she's like, thank you. And then they part. And then the next scene is a month later, and it's her wedding in Scotland. Yep.
00:44:43
Speaker
And this is when I wrote, Andy McDowell is not good. ah know this and I mean, her character is very underwritten. like We know basically nothing about her. She does not have a lot of screen time, honestly, for this period. Which is a weird. Because again, it's like it's more like an ensemble comedy about comedy drama about these friends. like yeah Simon Callow, Kristen Scott Thomas, the tall guy, and John Hannah are more important characters than Andy McDowell, really, like in terms of the movie overall. um And Kristen Scott Thomas tells Hugh Grant that she's always been in love with him, which is like, really? but you get Everyone is in love with Hugh Grant in this movie, which
00:45:22
Speaker
Why? I can kind of see like he is very cute and charming, but like he's plenty. There's plenty. Exactly. He said he's an idiot. Yeah. He's ah he's a doofus. He forgets the wedding rings that he's the man of honor for. The man of honor. Yes. Or sorry. The best man. The best man for. He's the man of honor is the groom usually. the The best man for. He had one job and he couldn't do it right.
00:45:53
Speaker
One job. And he's always late. He's late for everything, he except one of his best friend's funerals, which I did appreciate that he wasn't late for the funeral. I appreciated that too. I noticed that too. um So yeah, so this is when Simon Callow has a heart attack and dies at Heidi Mattel's wedding, yeah which is very sad. so bad It's I mean, of course, they have to kill the gay guy. That's just the rule in the 90s. I'm very glad it wasn't AIDS. Yes, yes, yes. It's because he's fat, though, Emma. You have to understand.
00:46:21
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ah
00:46:24
Speaker
i yeah Charlie and I, ah that was another disagreement that we got into was during um John Hannah's speech at the funeral was one of the first things he says is he was getting in touch with some people that knew Gareth fast and to like sort of see what people thought of him. And he was like, and the two things are fat and something else. And Charlie was like, did he just say that people said that he was fat? And I was like, no, no, no. He said facts. He said fact. Fact. and And Charlie was like, no, he said fat. I mean, having the closed captions on, yeah, he definitely says fat. Fat and rude are the two things that he says people describe to him as, which is which is like part of the thing. Like, it's it's like it's it's it's a loving, funny thing to say. I mean, like, and first of all, like, he's not that fat, like. what
00:47:15
Speaker
and Anyway, and like he's introduced it. So it's this funeral and everybody's very sad. And this is when, like, and again, it's 1994. So I kind of understand the priest saying and here is his closest friend, closest friend, Matthew to come give the eulogy and it's just devastating. Like John Hannah has this beautiful eulogy where he tells the um W.H. Auden, who was also gay, by the way, um poem, Stop All the Clocks. And I cried. and And then there's this very sweet, so it is
00:47:49
Speaker
It is sweet that a movie of this level that was this popular had this much like gay content in it in 1994, even though they don't kiss, and even though it's not the main thing, and even though the straight people learn a valuable lesson by these gay people this gay person dying.
00:48:06
Speaker
Even though it used to further the plot. Yeah, it's still better than a lot of other things, which would either have gay people be villainous, or um or scary or not existing at all. um So there is that for it, I suppose, if we have to hand it to the the movie for something. He and the tall one ah have a conversation where he says something very curious to me, where he's like, he says, you know all of us like are so obsessed with marriage, we didn't notice that two of us were so to us sort of were married. And I'm like, you didn't notice? And that made me think,
00:48:45
Speaker
They knew they were gay, right? right right The friends all knew that they had to have. I think the point is that they kind of didn't under... like He's talking about not understanding the point of marriage as opposed to not understanding that they were gay. I just wanted to to make sure that you were you thought the same thing because... Yeah, absolutely. And then you told me Charlie didn't realize they were gay and I was like, well, maybe they did.
Legal History and Representation of Gay Characters
00:49:10
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Charlie just didn't know.
00:49:12
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ah
00:49:15
Speaker
It was bonkers. I was like, are you seeing the like coding that's happening here? Like the dancing that Gareth does at the in the first wedding, like all of his like bitchy comments like it's so like queer-coded yeah without being explicit. And then, yeah, yeah. No, he got it by the funeral. Yeah. Yeah, his waistcoats, his eccentric dress. And he's also not that old. He's 45. I mean, I think they, I think they, I don't know. I'm not sure if his hair was really that white then or if they they made his hair whiter, but he, Simon Callough was 45 when this movie came out. So everybody else is like 35. Yeah. So he's not that much older than them.
00:50:00
Speaker
Um, yeah, no, the first time I saw that scene, I thought that they like were saying that um Gareth and John Hannah were married. I'm like, not officially, but like unofficially. Yeah, but I guess that is what they're saying.
00:50:22
Speaker
Yeah, I think what they're saying is that you know they there's so much concern about like the um the the ceremony of a wedding and what a wedding means legally and what a wedding means in terms of like the event and the um the commitment versus what it actually is about supposed to be about and it being loved. These two people loved each other. They may as well have been married. Yes. And they were in our friend group. and we They knew they were gay and they knew they were together, but they didn't. I don't think they realized that, you know, what they had is just as important as any of the other weddings that they're going to. I think that's kind of what that line means. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, they don't have the opportunity. They never had the opportunity to like have a wedding. Exactly. Because gay marriage wasn't legal in England until. Yeah, I had a later time. I had a ah argument that I lost with Charlie 2013. Wow.
00:51:19
Speaker
Well, um I turned to Charlie and I was just like, hu when did it stop being illegal to be gay in the UK? And he goes, um a lot earlier than in the US. And I was like, well, when did they stop putting people in jail for it?
00:51:37
Speaker
Well, I mean, that's only sort of true. I mean, um i I don't think being gay was specifically illegal in the United States. It was there were certain like laws and certain. I mean, the problem with the United States and and all of the stuff is that state laws vary wildly.
00:51:52
Speaker
and whether or not they were enforced is another thing. But like, in England, in the, um in the 60s and 70s, they were still jailing people for homosexuality for sure. So it was definitely enforced later in England than it was in, um in most of the United States, at least federally, like, I'm sure there were like, you know, sodomy laws, especially in the south, like, yeah,
00:52:14
Speaker
I mean, I think some of them are probably still on the books, but not enforceable or or really legal um versus um versus like being gay, which like homosexuality was specifically illegal in in in England, at least I don't know about the rest of the UK. Yeah, there's the whole storyline in um I think it's the, ah oh my god, the Judy Garland movie that Renee Zellweger was in. Oh, I never saw it. Yeah. Oh, it's, it's very good. um But there's this whole storyline where she's in England. and I only ever see this in like British films, and where people
00:52:51
Speaker
gay couples get broken up because one of them gets jailed for being caught for being gay and like and then um medically sodomized it's just like absolutely horrible medically castrated ah sorry medically castrated um sorry
00:53:11
Speaker
Once again, I stayed up till 3am watching. And again, not to correct you, but just because we're talking to an audience, I feel like we should get these things right. No, no. Please correct me when I say something wrong, Katie. Especially something so very wrong. But you're not things that I would do in a conversation with you that wasn't public. I just want the audience to know that. I mean, I i i feel like but regardless, I should be corrected if I'm using the word sodomy for the word castrated.
00:53:44
Speaker
But it's the whole end of the imitation game, you know, it's the whole Oh, yeah, yeah, it's that whole storyline. It's only things that I've ever seen in the UK, which is why I turned to Charlie and go, well, when did it stop being illegal in your country?
00:53:59
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I mean, marriage was legal in the United States before that. I mean, in in in it went state by state. So it's difficult. So like federally marriage was was legal in the U.K. first. But on a state by state level, it was almost 20 years before the U.K. in America. I think Massachusetts was the first one. But I don't know that for sure. Yeah, it was in the 90s for sure. I think it was like 98 or 99. Yeah.
00:54:23
Speaker
which is, you know, should have been earlier. But well, sure. Anyway, this has been Queer Corner. Queer Corner.
00:54:33
Speaker
i Yeah, so that's a real bummer. and then we And then we got to lift it things back up. Yeah, we got another wedding. Like, you know, the title, there's four of them.
00:54:44
Speaker
and We've only counted three. And this time, I mean, it also could have been called three weddings, a funeral and then another wedding, which I think we're an almost wedding. That's true. Yeah. Well, it is a wedding. There's just not a marriage that happens, right? Oh, I guess that's true. Is it still a wedding if nobody gets married at it? I feel like if a tree falls in a forest where there's no one to hear it, does it still fall? Yeah, I mean, it it does. Or does it doesn't make a noise? It does. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
00:55:14
Speaker
The chicken came first, yeah. um
00:55:21
Speaker
This has been Philosophy Corner. Philosophy Corner. Versus what words mean with Katie Coleman. Charlie is texting me right now, actually. Can he hear me?
00:55:38
Speaker
Probably. Well, don't you hear me? but He said, I have a fun hair bleaching story for me. And then he says, how do you say auteur? And the answer is auteur.
00:55:52
Speaker
A fun hair bleaching story? I don't know. I don't know what that means. He didn't say, he said for me also. He didn't say, I have a fun hair bleaching story for you. He said, quote, I have a fun hair bleaching story for me. Quotes, did he bleach his hair?
00:56:08
Speaker
His hair's blonde already. I mean, it's like dirty blonde. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, well, um I'm not going to respond to Charlie's text message and he can get the answer on a tour a month from now when he listens to this episode.
00:56:22
Speaker
I'm just kidding. I mean, but fact. So yeah, then we can get the almost wedding, which is surprise. You see they do like that sneaky thing where you're seeing the invitations for all the weddings when we go to a wedding. But um this one is for Charles and then the name of the bride, there's flowers on top of it. We don't know who the bride is. Oh, no.
00:56:44
Speaker
Uh, it's Henrietta. It's Henrietta. Um, but she's um learned very quickly. Like, I don't know why they, they decided to to pull that. So it's they, his friends trick him into getting there on time, which is very cute where they tell him he's right. And yeah. Yeah.
00:56:59
Speaker
ah He sleeps in the bed with the tall one and there's like a million alarm clocks and it's like he has to get there on time. So he gets to the wedding and then you find out it's Henrietta um who is very sweet. And then he meet sees Andy McDowell there and she's like, oh yeah, we got divorced. yeah He's like, oh well, fuck Henrietta then. Which is like. Like this. Oh, shitty. Like, why are you marrying her, dude?
00:57:24
Speaker
Right. I guess the idea is that, like, he wants to be married. He want like 10 months later. So it's the next year. um And like the funeral, like seeing like his friend die, I guess, like spurred him to like take action on like what he thinks is love, I suppose, because he lost. It feels like he lost Andy McVowell, whose name is Carrie. Yeah. And so he has he he should he should love the one you're with, as the song says.
00:57:51
Speaker
um And Henrietta is there, which yeah poor girl, like she seems, she really likes him, you know, she seems excited. And then um yeah and everybody- It's her freaking wedding day. Of course she's excited.
00:58:06
Speaker
Yeah, she yeah thinks she's about to get married to her dream guy who she thinks loves her. Yeah. And I didn't stand you pricks up with her at the altar very publicly. Doesn't even like take her aside. Brother has to like tell him what to say like through sign language. Yeah. Yeah, yeah but like such a not only that He holds up the whole wedding trying to make this decision. And so then, you know, makes the wedding makes everybody sit there in a stuffy church for like way too long and makes poor Henrietta like nervous and sweaty. And then we get down the aisle and we think that we're home free. And then he turns around and his brother tells him through sign language what to say about how he's in love with someone else. Yeah. And then Henrietta punches him. Which like fair play.
00:58:54
Speaker
Exactly, completely deserved. Yeah, I mean, they spent so much money and so much time planning this wedding. Yeah. Wouldn't you be sure? Wouldn't you be sure?
00:59:09
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By the time you got up there, to be honest, I hate storylines where people break up with their spouses at a wedding. Because it's just like- And there's a lot of them in rom-coms, unfortunately. It's kind of a thing. Yeah, it's insane. And I mean, not saying that that doesn't happen. I mean, definitely, especially working in bridal, I know there have been weddings that I have seen that get canceled a week before the wedding.
00:59:37
Speaker
um You know, you you're getting it. But like at the wedding. In front of all the friends and family. Don't do that. Yeah. Have a conversation. yeah Communication. You know, people do get left to the altar. It happens. My high school history teacher got left to the altar twice. Twice. Two times. What does he do?
01:00:02
Speaker
I don't know. He's a um was a real special guy. He did get married eventually. like I think he got married like the year after I graduated, maybe. I remember people saying that he finally got married. with the Three different women. um As far as I know, he's still married to the third one. But yeah, two times.
01:00:22
Speaker
That's a curse.
Rom-Com Tropes and Character Critique
01:00:23
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Once getting left to the altar one time is like one of the worst things that can happen to you socially, and like two times is you're cursed. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's a curse. Somebody in your ancestry line did something bad. Bitch. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
01:00:39
Speaker
um Anyway, so then they go back to his apartment and everybody is like, well, that was awkward. Yeah. And Andy McDowell shows up in the rain and she's like, well, why don't we give this a try? Yeah.
01:00:52
Speaker
And like she's not particularly charming either. like i don't understand what I don't understand why he's so into her, which is one of the things in a rom-com. It needs to be funny. I think this movie is funny. This movie is also and this movie's also touching. like I think that the the funeral scene is is really good. And like you care about, especially John Hannah um oh for sure and and Simon Callow. Why don't we watch the movie about them, about their relationship, about them getting together, although it would be a ah bit of a bummer because it would end with a funeral.
01:01:23
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it would. No, it wouldn't actually, because of, because the epilogue, the credit. He still dies. yeah of Yeah. They get together and like, it's, you know, I guess, I think the idea is that it's supposed to be this kind of like play on the happy ending where they're like, he's like, why don't you not get married to me and we'll stay not married for the rest of our lives. And she's like, I do. And then it cuts to like a stormy sky, like flashing lightning and stuff instead of like sunset or whatever.
01:01:51
Speaker
Yeah, so I do appreciate that kind of like little little brief moment. um And then the famous line, the famous line of ah where he goes, ah it's i i it's raining and she goes or something about let's get out of the rain and we're very wet. And she goes, is it raining? I haven't noticed. Although you just played that better than she did.
01:02:15
Speaker
ah be a famous rom com line is deliver. It's such a bad line. She's like, is it raining? I hadn't noticed. Like, so dead eyed. Like, it's like, why is she famous exactly? Like, I mean, I guess she's good in Groundhog Day. Yeah.
01:02:34
Speaker
I mean, like she's pretty and she's got, she's got like long curly hair, which yeah as a curly girl myself, I appreciate, but, and like a North Carolina accent, which I also appreciate. I mean, I, if I hadn't done work in high school to eradicate it, I probably would have sounded just like her.
01:02:52
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Um, I know I feel bad. I feel like we're making fun of Andy McDowell and she's a nice person. I mean, she is a nice person and she has learned that her strength is in. What does she do in North Carolina again? She sells things. I thought you said that. I thought you said that she sells like seashells. She sells sea you thought attend the mcdowell sells seashells by the seashore.
01:03:21
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If we were the kind of podcast that named the episode after a quote that we said in the in the episode, that's what this episode would be called. Andy McDowell sells seashells down by the sea shark. But unfortunately, the name of this episode is just for weddings and a funeral. I could have sworn that you said that Andy McDowell lives in the super fancy rich place in North Carolina. And she sells like I don't know, like vintage repurposed furniture or jewelry or something. It is possible. Here's the thing, like I have ADHD and it is certainly possible that when we covered happiest season, which I think is the last movie we saw with Annie MacDowell in it, which she's perfectly good in, like she's fine in that movie. like Yeah.
01:04:06
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nothing against Andy McDowell. she's she's yeah um It's possible that I had recently googled her and found that fact out, told you about it, and then completely forgotten about it by the time this episode came out. So if you listeners remember that story as well,
01:04:26
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It's totally possible that that was something I knew then and no longer know. That sounds like me. Cause people like, i said friends and stuff who who listen to this podcast, they'll sometimes ask me something about what something I said. And I was like, I don't remember that at all. i i stuck it We turn this podcast off. I forget everything that I said.
01:04:46
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I am so positive that you told me that she sells things like at a market. Like she made me fancy soap. I don't know. It's something weird. It's totally possible that I i knew and said that. and But I don't know that anymore. I i believe you. Okay. It sounds like something I would say. um But I do know that she lives in or she used to at least lived in Asheville, which is very close to where I grew up.
01:05:14
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Yeah. She was in happiest season like two years ago. i mean she's still She doesn't ask anymore.
01:05:22
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She's been in too much. She was the mom and something else that we watched too, right? Annie McDowell? Yeah, I think she's been in stuff. Anyway, she's in she's she's in um Groundhog Day, which I guess is enough of a rom-com that we will cut. oh she's in um uh she said ready or not she was perfectly good in that like yeah she's in stuff i mean sexualizing videotape is a great movie she's in that she i just feel like she's given the torch over to her daughter margaret qualley yeah love margaret qualley margaret qualley please don't be mad at us that we said yes bad things about your mom she just but i mean to be fair it is actually canon that
01:06:03
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that Carrie is a terrible character. It was voted in some sort of British poll. And that's not her fault. She didn't write the movie. No, she didn't write the movie. She didn't make her character be like a paper doll and give herself notice. The movie is very much written by a man, energy. The whole movie is written by a man, energy. Yeah, all of Richard Curtis's movies are, honestly, even the ones that I really like. Yeah. About time, Rachel McAdams does not have I have a lot of character in that movie. You do a lot of that. She's being kind of gaslit and manipulated through time travel, which is awkward. But the reason I like that movie is because of the relationship between him and his dad. It's much more about that for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, the reason why I love it is it's because it's about an American and a British guy falling in love.
01:06:59
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But this is about an American and a British guy falling in love too. Not really.
01:07:05
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I don't get that. It feels very surface level. It's very surface level. yeah Yeah, it's not like, yeah, you don't get the butterflies. Like the speech isn't very good. There's no go get your girl speech. um there's I mean, unless you count the sign language speech that his brother gets to him on the altar, which is really like break up with this girl speech. Yeah. Screw this chick.
01:07:28
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Yeah, that's not, that's not fun. That's not romantic. But the relationships between the friends really do work. I mean, like the relationship between him and his brother, the relationship between him and John Hannah and, and to a lesser extent, Kristen, Scott Thomas, but Yeah, I would have liked more characterization about her because she was like funny in the scenes that she was in. But then like we get thrown these curveballs of like where she's hinting at the fact that she has loved this one guy and is finding over this one guy. But then whenever she's in a scene with Hugh Grant, you don't get that vibe.
01:08:01
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you don't get the vibe that she's like pining after him or that she's like in love. And so that's why it's such a curveball when she makes that declaration of love to Grant. I did not see that in this movie at all. And I've seen this movie before and I completely forgot about it by the time this came around. It doesn't really make sense. It doesn't make sense.
01:08:23
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um It's just a reason for them all to be single. Like, I mean, it's like for like seven friends to be in their mid thirties and one of them in their forties and all being single is unusual, I think. Yeah. And they do did you mention that, but they have to have, they'll have to have a reason. um And then there's like, once he gets together with Andy McDowell and presumably not married, ah the end, there's a montage of everybody else getting married, which is cute. I do like that. It's a cute montage. And Kristen Scott Thomas apparently marries Prince Charles.
01:08:53
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Yeah, are we supposed to think that she's Camilla now? That's awkward. So this was 94, right? Yes. Yeah. So charlie Diana was still alive. OK. That that was the question that Charlie asked. He was like, was this before or after they were divorced? Well, he would be the one who would know that more than anybody else. He doesn't he never followed the he didn't ever watch The Crown. So they they separated in December 1992 and finalized the divorce in August 1996. And then she died in August 1997. Yeah. So they were separated.
01:09:28
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Yes. Yeah, famously, famously. And why anybody would I mean, like, I guess it's England. So like marrying the prince is like a big deal. But like, God, talk about one of the most unappealing men of all time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, have you seen the crown? No, because I because we've we've had this conversation because I hate um the British family strongly.
01:09:57
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I was so into the crown, but then when we got to like the parts of the crown that like I have memory of, of like Prince William and like him being hot and and in college, I lost interest. I also remember him being hot, yeah yeah. I lost interest. Before he started to look more and more like his dad. Yeah, before he started to look more and more like his dad. Yeah.
Character Dynamics and Plot Confusions
01:10:19
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Anyways, but yeah, we see this also really sweet. John Hannah gets a new beau, which I think is really sweet. Yeah, that's cute, yes. Everybody gets with somebody. And most of these people met that person before the movie's over. They all kind of have meet-cutes, even the tall one, except for John Hannah, because his partner just died.
01:10:39
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Yeah, yeah. And Chris and Scott Thomas. And then and then Henrietta marries a British soldier, apparently. yeah And she's very happy. Yeah. Yeah. um We get lied to or at least um sort of really. They Richard Curtis did something that made Charlie and I very upset um in the montage. We see Bernard, no, not Bernard, the guy who owns the castle.
01:11:08
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The tall one, as I've been calling in this episode. Yes, yes. He gets married to not his second cousin. That whole conversation was very confusing. um He gets married. it's It's just like childhood friend. Yeah. Yeah. And there is a Labrador in their wedding photos. We did not get any Labrador in the movie. Where was the dog?
01:11:34
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He, the the reference is that he says that's the thing that he loved. Like when he has a conversation with you, Grant, he's like, well, the only thing I ever loved, the only, the only girl I ever loved was Gilly. And he's like, who's Gilly? He's like my Labrador when I was a kid. Yes, but like, why couldn't we get more Gilly? Well, sure. Meanwhile, yeah, Gilly died. Emma, this is another dog. This is Gilly too. Katie's sad facts. Katie's sad facts.
01:11:58
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but
01:12:01
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Um, a couple of things I wanted to point out, uh, they say splendid approximately 600 times in this movie. Yep. Yep. Yep. I don't know if that's intentional or if that's just a Richard Curtis thing, but it stuck out to me. I've never heard the word splendid more times in and in two hours. so splendid now Andy McDowell says it's but that's the last time I marry somebody three times my age, which means that Hamish was 108 years old. but it times her age Just a little math I did. Because she's 36 in this movie. She's actually older than Hugh Grant.
01:12:37
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Really? How old is Hugh Grant? He's 34 and she's 36 in this movie. Oh. Yeah, they're all they're all older for ah for a movie like this. Usually a movie like this would be about people in their mid 20s and these are all people in their mid 30s. I appreciate that. um I appreciate as well. Saint John as a name is pronounced sinjin, which is insane.
01:13:03
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Um, okay. So I actually knew this because there's a, there's an author I really liked named Emily Sinjin Mandel. And she's Canadian and it's spelled.
01:13:14
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Emily St. John Mandel. That's her name, but her, um, I think St. John is her, it was her originally her last name. And then she married somebody named Mandel and now associate, but it's, but it's Canada slash England and it's pronounced sinjin, which I had heard in British movies and stuff, like somebody named sinjin, but it's spelled S T period J O H N. And I learned this was in the movie because when Roman Atkinson is trying to get Bernard's name, right?
01:13:42
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yeah how He calls, he gets stuck on St. John. And then in the captions, it's spelled out to St. John. I'm like, oh, that's right. So that's ah that's an insane British thing. I had no idea. I just learned something. There you go. Yeah. If someone's name is, if their middle or last name is St. John, it's pronounced St. John if they're British slash Canadian. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. um Charlie's Corner. Yeah.
01:14:12
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I embellished a bit because I was like, Charlie, you can't have like the umpteen. It was it was good. It was. Yeah, the deeper darling. Yeah, we're going to we're going to have to cut your corner if you're not going to have anything good to say. um And he said, well, it was British and charming. And then I added like me. And he said, absolutely not. I did not say that. Do not put that in the podcast. So I am saying that Charlie's Corner is It was British and charming like me. Yeah.
01:14:50
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eyes And yeah, and both of those things are true. Both this movie and Charlie are British and charming. So for all the I've said about England, take that, Charlie. Say something nice about you. Right.
01:15:11
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Yes. And that's the movie. That's Four Weddings and a Funeral. Four Weddings and a Funeral. It does not hold up that great. Not really. I mean, there's there's aspects that like you can see why it was such a popular film and such a staple in the romantic comedy like genre for so long. But I feel like now where we're at in cinema, we have so many better examples of things that like were inspired by or did things similarly. Do this better. Yeah, that do this better. And there was a remake of this. There's a TV show, miniseries remake of this, which
01:15:48
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um Is that was on Hulu or something? Yeah. um I don't know. I haven't seen it, but I I heard good things.
Miniseries Adaptation and Future Discussions
01:15:56
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It has the chick from Game of Thrones in it. Oh, really? Yeah. You'll have to be more specific. The one who um hooks up and is in love with Little Worm. Oh, Natalie Emmanuelle. Yeah, yeah, I just picked up the cast here. Yeah, it's Andy McDowell is apparently in it. Really?
01:16:15
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Yeah, it was a miniseries from 2019 created by Mindy Kaling. Yeah. yeah So I imagine that that shows because it's a miniseries, it probably gets deeper into like the circle of friends and stuff that by far the most compelling thing in the actual ah movie. Actually, this cast list does not have any Macales, so Google may have lied to me as.
01:16:41
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Google tends to do. No, no, no, she is. No, she is. She is. She's a guest star. Yeah, she's an almost amazing. Yeah. There you go. Amazing. Well, next time, we're going to be talking dirty dancing. Dirty dancing, also not really a rom-com. Kind of sad to be a rom-com. Yeah. But we're doing it. An absolute classic, yeah. Absolute classic. Very summery, very um yeah when you watch it, you just you think of summer.
01:17:10
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ah So that that was sort of the vibe. And the second season of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Because the Catskills. Right. Yeah. Amazing. Shall we outro?
01:17:23
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01:17:51
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Asking it to love us. Good night. Good night.