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What If (The F Word)
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Dive in as Emma & Katie discuss the 2014 film What If- or as it should have been named The F Word. They chat Dan Rad, Zoe Kazan and of course what you all have been waiting for: Toronto, Canada and it's landmarks.
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An Emotional Audiobook Experience
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Oh, oh my
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recommending it and recommending it and recommending it. And so finally I came and I was like, you know what? I'm not going to reread it. I'm going to get the audio book. And so I got the audio. I can't stop listening. This book is destroying me. Well, I mean, I know what it's about and what happens in it. So um I'm just I'm weeping while driving to work. I'm weeping on my way back to work. I'm weeping to the gym. I'm weeping at the gym. I'm just I'm and like the thing is, is it's written the first like
00:01:07
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Third of the book is written exactly like all those romance books that you love. Like all the romance books and like all the tropes are there and you're just like, oh my God, I'm so in love with this couple. I'm so in love with this. And like you get excited for them and you fall in love with them and then shit goes down. And I'm just like, I...
00:01:26
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a um portrait But also like there's like things that you can identify with, like first loves and how they always stay with you and like the little things that you sort of keep on to from your past and you don't know why.
Unexpected Love for a Serious Romance Book
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It's just sort of, oh, it's, I don't, didn't want to say that I loved it, but i'm I mean, I'm not even done with it. I have an hour left, but i I've listened to like 14 hours and three days. Wow.
00:01:54
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Um, yeah, I, um, yeah, it's not for me. I don't want to, I don't want to do that. I don't want to, I need to, I want to cry. No, I don't. Not like, I don't want to get, no, we've, we've had this conversation before. I mean, there's a time for crying, but I don't know. It's just, and I know I haven't read it, but it just feels manipulative. Um, are you going to see the movie? No, I'm not going to see the movie.
00:02:22
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I think I'm gonna take myself on a single date on and and I'm gonna go see it by myself on like a Wednesday night and I'm gonna buy popcorn and sit there and cry and cry and cry. And then I'm gonna be so raw from crying when I come out, I'm gonna feel like a new woman. Okay, well, yeah I hope that happens, yeah.
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Yeah, I do too. It's so good. i I was shocked. I'm shocked at how obsessed I am with it. So I think it's worth a read. I highly recommend it.
Life's Humor and Mishaps
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Yeah, that was Emma's recommendation corner. um for For very explicitly not a rom-com book. Yes. Yeah. Well, it starts off feeling rom-comy. It feels very rom-comy for a good third of the book. But it's not a comedy. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's serious.
00:03:16
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Yeah, sad, sad stuff. Yeah. that But like there's humorous moments in it. No, no. Yep. Just like life. Just like life. Just like me walking into a tree earlier. Yeah. But that you know what, if you saw yourself, you'd be like, Oh, okay. I know. That's what I mean. Yeah. to humor I laughed at myself when it happened. I was glad nobody else saw.
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Yeah, exactly.
Reading Habits and Book Preferences
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Anyways, how are you? Do you have anything to recommend? I'm finally reading the House of Fire and Shadow or whatever it's called. The third question city book. I can't I don't know what they're called. All the names are the same to me. Yeah. um And I'm a little more than halfway through. I like it a lot so far. I like it a lot. Okay. Yeah, I was worried because like I kept getting I think that I should have done what you do and wait to like completely serious to where I can do them back to back to where I can bench them. Because I think that too much time had passed. I did the first one, the second one back to back and was like, yes. But then there was so much time I had to wait for the third one to come out. And well I did actually do that.
00:04:24
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Oh, you did? I read the first two back to back and then the third one wasn't in paperback. So I like I wanted look them to look the same on my shelf. So I was like, I'll just wait for it to come out in paperback. And then like, I know that's not going to be till next year. And then I was a target and it was only nineteen dollars and I'm like in hardback and I'm like, OK, fine, I'll buy it in hardback. So it was like two months probably. So it wasn't that long. Yeah. I think it was like. I must have finished it in November, maybe.
00:04:52
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okay And then like I was able to read it in February. Not that much difference, really. Not that much difference, yeah. Not that much difference. I kept getting like ah whiplash from all the different storylines in the third one. There's so many, yeah. There's so many PODs in the third one. There's more in the second one than the first one. And I mean, there's more in in in Crescent City than there are in Akatar for sure. I mean, she starts doing more in the later books of Akatar, but like, yeah. And like one thing that I am not a huge fan of is like she'll do like a page break and then like do a new POV instead of chapter by chapter. Like I really prefer them to change chapters if they're going to do um a POV switch, but you know, whatever, that's a minor.
00:05:37
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So far, I find the third book actually much more engaging than the second one. that It took me along a lot longer to read the second one than this one. like I think it took me like maybe three or four weeks to read the second one just because I wasn't reading it every day. But this, I've read 450 pages in a week, so I'll finish it and in a few more days, I think.
Comic Book Obsession
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um yeah But I imagine that some people don't like some of the characters, and I think I do, because my friend Miranda doesn't like Rune, and I like Rune.
00:06:06
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Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I like Rune. I think that he can be a little annoying at times, but like I just think that like his storyline with his gal pal is just it gets so repetitive. And I'm just like, oh, I like her too, though.
00:06:24
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I do too, but it's just like, just keep hitting the same stuff over and over again. I sort of felt like I was being hit over the stick with it. And I wanted, I just, so I wanted more from like the other characters and I felt like we were wasting all of our time on shit that we already knew.
00:06:41
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Fair enough. It's interesting because Miranda also said that she doesn't like room because he looks like Skrillex. And I'm like, what do you mean he looks like Skrillex? And she said, that's how he's described. He has like half of his head shaved and never happens really long. And I'm like, that's not how I picture him. And she goes, that's how he's written. I'm like, it doesn't matter to me. You don't picture him. I can picture however I want in my head. I was like, I picture him as like a you know sexy, skinny, indie boy with red hair. She's like, he doesn't have red hair. It's like, he does it in my head. He does it in my head. He notoriously has black hair and tattoos and piercings all over. He looks like Sir Lux, meets Davey, what's his name from AFI. Not in my head. Death of the author, baby. I can picture whoever I want in my head. That's how this works. I didn't remember that description.
00:07:34
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They describe him so many times. Not to me. In depth. Reading a book is great because you can make the own movie you can make your own movie in your mind.
00:07:48
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Sorry to those with aphasia or whatever, or you can't picture an apple in your head. Oh yeah, I hate that sucks for you. But yes, go get your girl promotes reading. Yeah, we do promote reading. Yeah, go reading. Did I tell you Charlie has gotten into reading?
Canadian Film Confusion and Misconceptions
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Was he not previously? No, he would not read. He would only read news articles on his phone. Interesting. Yeah. But now he is into comics. And so he's got his little comic books. And it's very sweet. That makes sense.
00:08:24
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Nothing against comic books. I like comic books. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just now he's like he's sort of when Charlie gets into something, he gets very sort of addicted to it. And so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the vinyl thing. Like the vinyl thing. It's like the vinyl thing. But now it's with comics. He's just like, yeah. So I put another I put another bid on another like four or five comics on this like bidding website. And so I've got to get this one and that one and this one. And look at how cool this cover is. I'm like,
00:08:51
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Oh, so he's like going to like collect comics. Yeah, he has a special container for them now and it's become a whole thing. He asked me to take him to the comic book store on more than one occasion. All right. Well, he's going to have to get a driver's license. Yes, he does. Go get your girl promotes Charlie getting a driver's license. Yeah. He asked me to take him to the comic book store. It sounds like I'm his mother. It does. I'm his wife.
00:09:24
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ah Do you just sit in the parking lot when he runs into the comic book store? Sometimes. Sometimes I go in there and I wander around. You're listening to Colleen Hoover audiobook and start crying in the parking lot of the comic book shop? Well, he comes back with a bag full of comic books and an oversized lollipop. This is our lives. Apparently, we are a 90s mother and son duo.
00:09:50
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I'm going to go listen to Faith Hill now. Oh, hell yeah. And wear a dress with sunflowers on it. What's wrong with that? Nothing wrong with that. Anyways, ah that's right, guys. Faith Hill famously featured in today's film. I mean, um illustration slash animation, which is a ah sister to comic books is featured in the movie. What if? Which is a terrible title that makes no sense whatsoever. It does not and it does not tie into the movie at all. Like I get it. No, like like I don't. Yeah, I don't get it. I explain it to me because I don't get it. Like what if they had said how they feel? Well, she would have still been in a religion.
00:10:35
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It doesn't make sense. It's a bad title. The F word is a much better title. Much better title. And the play that it's based on is called Toothpaste and Cigars, which I assume is something that makes sense in the text of the play, but it's not in the movie. Yeah, because that doesn't make any sense either. No, no, no, no. It's a two-person fringe show from the Canada Fringe from 2003, and I tried very hard to find text or a review or anything about it. And that is not available through the search engine Google at least I did not. It's not like I went to the microfiche in the Toronto library or anything. ah but um Go to ah Google.ca.
00:11:21
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I didn't, I should have tried. I think google dot.com gives you google.ca results though I believe. yeah Do they say google dot.ca or do they say do google.ca? I just always read it as google dot.ca. Maybe it's root and google.ca because it's Canada so it would be .ca. Well I mean like in Scott Pilgrim I think he says amazon.ca right?
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But in the UK, they say dot you dot UK. Well, yes, but it's the UK. It's not. They don't say that. No, I mean, like they say for France.
00:12:03
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for a duck for? No, because that's not that that's not a that's not a phonetic. It's not a phoneme. Okay, we need to find somebody from a country who's dot whatever that's called. um We have Canadian listeners. We have Canadian listeners. Yeah, yes. Message us let us know is it dot CA or is it dot co Or, you know, Colombian listeners, is it dot co? Or yeah, someone from another country besides Canada that has one of those things. Yes, I will preface this and say this at the beginning. ah This was my first time seeing this movie.
00:12:42
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Oh, really? Yeah, it was Charlie's first time seeing this movie as well. 99 percent of my notes, we go on a journey through my notes, which as dedicated listeners will now, Emma needs to know if there are heavy establishing shots of a film, where the fuck are we? I don't know, Toronto. We're telling you the the CN Tower is shown in the like the second shot.
00:13:10
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not like explicitly not in a way that I know it as an American. So most of my 99% of you didn't recognize the CN tower. I think that's on you. Yeah, 99% of my notes. Well, neither did Charlie 99% of my notes were where are we? Where are we? And there's even a moment that we get to where Chantry's boyfriend Ben. Yeah. Yeah. ah He's like explaining to her because he's going to Dublin and he gives her a ticket and he goes, it's only five out it's only a five hour flight. And so then Charlie did a deep dive and he was like, what is five hours from Dublin? yeah Nothing. You can't get to Toronto from Dublin in five hours. You can't get to Boston to Dublin in five hours. You can't get to New York to Dublin in five hours. You can't even get to Quebec because there's no direct flights from Quebec.
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We were very confused. I'm sorry. It wasn't until he was gone in Dublin and she sends a postcard that says Toronto on it. yeah So you were wrapped around the axle on that and didn't pay attention to the movie, is what you're going to say? No, I'm just saying that most of my notes are, where the fuck are we? Yeah. Where are we? um Yeah, I don't know. I yeah, it's the it's one of the most famous landmarks in the world. The CN Tower, one of the tallest structures on Earth.
00:14:35
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very famous Toronto landmark most of the land but like all of the like 90% of the establishing shots were not like things that you would just if you had never been to Toronto would know we're Toronto so it was just like I don't know where it just like at one point I thought it was Chicago and another point I thought was Boston looks nothing like Chicago Well, there's at the first establishing shot, there's a sign for a street called Lake Shore Street. And so I was like, is this just like off brand Chicago? I mean, Toronto is on a lake. I guess
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um Is it on a lake or is it on a bay? I think it's on... it's it's it's a Is it on... It is on Lake Ontario, yes. Lake Ontario is tiny. Well, I mean, not compared to other lakes, but compared to the Great Lakes. It's one of the smaller ones, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so what is... Compared to Watauga Lake in Johnson City, Tennessee, it's fucking huge.
00:15:42
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Compared to Lake Michigan, it's smaller, yeah. It's ting, ting, ting, ting, ting. Because I was like, surely this can't be all of Lake Ontario. And then I zoomed out and I was like, oh, it is actually all of Lake Ontario. Yeah, it's only like the eighth biggest lake in the world instead of the third.
00:16:02
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Well. OK, I'm sorry that you're like, I'm making fun of you. This is my fault for being a geography nerd because when I did like when we were doing like like but pub quizzes really frequently. Like I became obsessed because there's so much geography questions questions and stuff. yeah So like I had a a world map shower curtain. um i would I would play like these little games. This was back in but when Facebook was a thing. Like I would play these little geography games on Facebook. Like I was so into like trying to learn these things because I wanted to win the citywide
00:16:36
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What do you know, pub quiz for Chicago. And um the best we ever did was 12th place in the pretty good. I mean, there's a hundred finalists and they all go to that horrible bar. What's it called? Joe's on weed, ah which is and you know the only bar big enough to have a hundred club quiz teams all at once, which is a nightmare. But it's, I mean, I thought it was fun. And then, uh, and then we, uh,
00:17:06
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Broke up the band. Nobody was really into it, into doing it anymore. It was a shame. Because you you got too high, you were Icarus. You flew too high to the sun. Exactly. Yeah. You could taste glory. Yeah. yeah So this movie is, which is refreshing because it's, you know, it's a Canadian play. It's yeah a Canadian movie and it's set in Canada and it's specifically set in Toronto, which a lot of rom-coms and movies in general, if they shoot it in Toronto, they're going to but pretend like it's New York. You know, they're going to I was confused. Yeah. Or they're not going to let you know that it's in Canada, although there's several specific Canadian references in this. And even when Ray Spall goes to the like you in thing, he's got a little Canadian flag in front of him. Yeah. Yeah. he's Which is again, I got confused when night he said that he worked for the UN and I was like, well, then are we in DC? Where are we?
The Emotional Impact of Historical Films
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I mean, there's not a lot of winter in this movie, which I associate with Canada and Toronto. So that's one thing. But it's refreshing. It's mostly in the summertime and fall, which makes it look beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. And much like Chicago, Toronto, I think, becomes very ah a very hard place to live in the winter. Yes. Very difficult, very upsetting, very soul sucking place. Yeah. I wonder if Chicago is colder than Toronto.
00:18:30
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I feel like they're on the same like weather wavelength. Chicago is colder than Toronto, yeah. Oh really? Yeah, but Toronto gets more snow. It's hotter in the summer and colder in the winter than Toronto is. Which would you rather, cold or snow? I don't know. it's how that's That's the real Sophie's choice. Yeah.
00:18:54
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yeah It is. That's way worse than choosing which child is killed by Nazi. cool if you Could you live forever in cold or forever in snow? I think I would pick snow. Meryl Streep just starts crying because she can't decide.
00:19:11
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good to that Have you seen that movie because I have not seen that movie? s Sophie's Choice, no. Yeah. It's always one of those things where it's like, why would I want to watch that? Exactly. It feels like a bummer. Like, i i I mean, like, I'm glad that it got made and I'm glad that it's a story that's being told. But like, yeah, yeah. And I'm sure she's great in it. But like, and I'm sure if I if it had come out like around Oscar season and when I was an adult, I probably would go see it to put myself through that. But um any other time movies are fun.
00:19:42
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When it's not Oscar season, I mean, no, like I mean, I mean, we, I mean, we do talk about that a lot on this podcast, but like I do, I do watch serious movies. I mean, like, but there's certain limits to that, you know, like, I don't know, I've never seen Sophie's Choice. I've never i've never watched Showa, you know, like there's a lot of that Holocaust stuff. Like I try to be, I mean, I have a history major from, I was a theater and history double major in college. So I feel like I know a lot about the Holocaust and like all the horrible things that happened in World War II in addition, like, you know, the the the horrible things that the Chinese did to the Japanese, for example, during the during their their ah during World War II.
00:20:21
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Um, so like I try, I think I feel like I'm aware of these atrocities and I don't necessarily need to watch a movie about it. Um, because it's, it's just hard to put yourself through that. Yeah. But it's just, it's rough. Yeah. Um, I will say I have a very vivid memory of watching. Did you ever watch Jacob the liar with Robin Williams? With Robin Williams? No. That's the Robin Williams Holocaust. And, um, that,
00:20:48
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That and then Rodgers and Hammerstein's Carole are the first two movies that I remember crying to. Oh, sure. I remember thinking, oh, I can't cry in a movie because I know it's fake. I watched Jacob the Liar. Tears. Is it good? Does it hold up? I haven't watched it since I was like 10. OK, fair enough. I don't know. But I remember it being very moving and very touching and very hard. Yeah, I am. Hard to watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 10 year olds.
00:21:17
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Yeah. Because he just wanted to be, he just wanted to be everybody's friend. He was a compulsive liar. And he just wanted her. And they got him killed. Yeah. Anyways, so what if? um Nobody dies in the movie What If? slash the F word. Very true. Nobody dies. Which is from 2013.
Analysis of "What If" – Themes and Characters
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Yes, it is. And is directed by Michael Dows, who um directed Stuber.
00:21:47
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which is a Kumail Nanjiani, Dave Batista, I want to say, um comedy from like 2019 or 2020. Let me see. At 2019, it's Kumail Nanjiani and Dave Batista. Yeah, I got it right. Where he's like an Uber driver and this ah detective, like, I don't know. um yeah And a movie called 8-Bit Christmas, which I did watch. Yes, I think I've watched that.
00:22:15
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Which is cute, it's like ah it's like a Christmas, it's like um this guy trying to get his son a Nintendo for Christmas in 1985 or whatever. Um, which is cute. And, uh, it's written by, uh, Alon, Matta, must die. Um, who has basically that he wrote, he wrote for this is us and that's his only in real credits. And then it's, uh, written by, uh, based on a play by these two guys named Michael Rinaldi and TS Dow, who have very limited credits as well. So basically this is like the thing.
00:22:49
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Yeah, this is the thing. And see, that's so surprising that the creative team is heavily male because I at one point wrote, well, obviously this was written by a woman. Oh, yeah, for real. I got that, too. Like, is it when they she's in one of the scenes where she's talking with her sister? Yes. Where she's just like, look at how pregnant I can make myself. Yeah, exactly. I was like, well, obviously this was written by a woman. Yeah.
00:23:14
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There's a lot of really good dialogue in this. there's a lot of And like there's some really good scenes between him and Adam Driver too that just feel like the way friends talk to each other. um Yeah, I think this movie is really good. um i I liked it a lot. It's really sweet. I think it's really well written. It's got some really good performances in it. It's got Adam Driver and Mackenzie Davis before they were famous, which is cute. I mean, Mackenzie Davis is not as famous as Adam Driver, of course, but she this is still one of her first roles. um yeah And I really love it. And they're so funny in this movie, both of them. They're so funny. So, so funny. Adam Driver saying, I just had sex and I'm gonna eat nachos.
00:23:52
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That's one of my notes. The best day of my life. You're really crushing my sex nacho high, man. Yeah. So good. So good. So yes, this is a movie about a man named Wallace, um who is played by Dana Radcliffe, um who is it's He's just playing British. He didn't bother trying to do a Canadian or American accent. I'm so happy that they did that. As soon as he opened his mouth, I was like, are we about to sit through? And I mean, like, he doesn't. he i He does a pretty great American accent. I just saw him in Merrily We Roll on Humblebrag.
00:24:28
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Um, but like, I also would much rather him not and just like, let's just let Daniel Radcliffe be Daniel Radcliffe because, um, this is going to be the first of Emma's fun facts. Emma's fun facts. Um, this was the first contemporary character that Daniel Radcliffe ever played. Uh, everything else he'd done was historic or fantasy. He said it was very refreshing to just go to set and just talk.
00:24:57
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and just be a person. He doesn't have to have a wand or- Exactly. Or a horse to fuck. Right. I saw that on Broadway, humble brat. Oh, you did? Yeah. um He doesn't fuck the horse. am i have you have you done Have you not read Equus? I thought that was the whole thing. No, he kills horses. That he fucked the horse. No, no. Like there's like a horse human sex scene.
00:25:23
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No, there's not. There's a scene between him and a woman where ah horse like they ride a horse naked, which is a man with a horse head on stage. Oh, see, I thought he fucked a horse. He does not fuck a horse, no. He blinds the horses, actually. He doesn't even kill them, but I think they put them down afterward, yeah. Jesus Christ. It's about religion. It's actually really good.
00:25:48
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I was gonna say, why would anyone go see that? You don't even get a horse fucking. It's heaven. awesome You should underline that go get your grill does not condone animal abuse or bestiality in any way. Exactly. we should We should also let the listeners know that that was purely a joke. That was a joke. That was a joke. That was not real. She's looking toward the door to see if the FBI are going to raid her.
00:26:17
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No, I'm worried that Charlie might have been on a work call again.
00:26:28
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um i see I don't remember if that story was before or after we started recording. so I think that was before. I went out in trouble for yelling at one of her cats for humping the other cat while Charlie was on a work call by saying, Roland, that's sexual abuse. Because then he had to explain to one of his staff that it I was in fact talking about our cats and the whole thing. And not a human man named Roland. yes
00:26:56
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um Anyway, 30 minutes in and barely scratched the surface what this movie is about. Okay, so he um has recently broken up with his longtime girlfriend. He has also recently dropped out of medical school. um And he is at a party and he meets Zoe Kazan, who is playing someone with the unlikely name of Shantry. Of course.
00:27:17
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um This whole movie is so, like, indie coded, too. It's like so manic pixie dream girl. It's so... yeah i one I think, like, my my second note that I wrote is, LOL, I love twee culture. Yeah, it is. it's it's like I don't know if I would say that she's a manic pixie dream girl because, like, she's better characterized than a lot of those. That's true. Women tend to be, but it is, like,
00:27:44
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it's It's very 2013 tweed culture for sure. Like the music, that like literally the post credits is Edward Sharp and the magnetic zeros. It's a time. Exactly. I mean, there's so many like thick glasses and tights over skater dresses, or under skater dresses. over skater dresses would be weird yeah yeah that would be weird uh hats a lot of you know very like ironic conversation happening like it does feel very indie twee culture-esque it's the heart of what i loved about 2013 yeah and it works as a period piece honestly oh yeah which who would have thought
00:28:25
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It's not eye-rolly. It's not like exhausting. I think it's it's still cute. and So they meet at this party and they have started having like cute cute flirty conversations. And then like they both, and this is a party that Adam Driver, the miraculous best friend, is hosting at his house. And they realize they both live within walking distance. And so he walks her home and then he goes he walks home. um And then when they get to her door, she's like, oh, my boyfriend will be wondering where I am. And he's like, oh, no.
00:28:55
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yeah And she's like, let's be friends. And she gives him her number. And then he like, lets it fly off into the wind. Yeah. Because the idea was like, he thought they were flirting, but she has a boyfriend. And so he's not gonna like, try to be friends with this woman who has a boyfriend because he likes her.
00:29:16
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And so the heart of this whole movie, which is why it was called the f word, like a title that makes sense, exactly is kind of the same kind kind of thing. Like when Harry Met Sally, it's like, can these people who are clearly attracted to each other be friends? And this one is more complicated because she has a boyfriend throughout almost the entire movie. Yeah. And there's moments that you do like, what is his name, Ben?
00:29:40
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Yeah, played by Ray Spall, who is doing, I think, a pretty good Canadian accent. Oh, yeah, pretty great. But then here's the other thing. Here's another clue why I was not convinced that we were in Canada, Katie. There's a scene between Ben and Shantry, and they're in a market, and they say about, about five times, and nowhere in there was it a was there a single aboot. Well, that's because neither of them are Canadian.
00:30:07
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But if we wanted this to be purely Canadian, I needed some sort of idea. Well, Mackenzie Davis is Canadian. Well, then there you go. But she doesn't say a boot. Is Adam Driver Canadian? I think Adam Driver's American. He's American. Yeah, went he's American. Yeah. He's from San Diego.
00:30:28
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San Diego. Yeah, i I think that this was, there was, oh, there were moments, that's what I was saying. There were moments with Ben that you both hate him and think that he's the worst and Chantry should absolutely break up with him because he sucks. And then there are moments like,
00:30:48
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you know little like snippets of where you're just like oh no I get that they're just like in a long-term relationship and they're just you know they love each other and they have this whole life together honestly the most like asshole thing he does is the first time we see him really yes where yeah he immediately is like so you're trying to put my girlfriend yeah which is like but What's wrong with you, dude? Right? Like take a chill pill. Like that's so it's so possessive and and and fucked up. um And gross. And gross. Yeah, which I guess is needed because you don't you want I mean, like Dana Radcliffe is the protagonist. So you want him and and because and she's into him too, which she like
00:31:32
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has more conflicting feelings about because she's the one with the boyfriend, but it is definitely clear that this ah it's a two-sided attraction and romance that is happening while she is in the late stages of a long-term relationship that is not working out for other reasons. Yeah, exactly.
00:31:49
Speaker
so um Eventually, they run into each other because they both go see the Princess Bride. Okay, first of all, like, he's babysitting his nephew and they're watching The Thing, one of Katie's favorite movies of all time, John Carpenter's The Thing. And the very next scene it cuts to The Princess Bride, another one of Katie's favorite movie. It's like this movie was made for you, Katie.
00:32:12
Speaker
It really is. um And ah listen, I would date a 5'5 boy if he was it charming and cute like Daniel Radcliffe. I was going to say if he was Daniel Radcliffe, absolutely.
00:32:24
Speaker
I would be like if it's like the scene where he and Zoe because they are standing next to each other and then Adam Driver and Mackenzie Davis walk into the frame and they're both like seven an inches taller than both of them. That's what it would be like. Yes. Yeah. There's an entire scene between Adam Driver and Daniel Radcliffe where they're just walking and it's just like the camera has an even shot on them. And you just all you can see is the height difference. You don't know what they're saying to each other because all you can see is like the five feet height difference. Yeah.
00:32:55
Speaker
Um, so yeah, if this was a ah rom com with Mackenzie Davis and Daniel Radcliffe, that would be more like if I was Danny Gray. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, he's very charming and cute in this is the point. um Unlike the last time we saw him in this podcast, Velocity, where he's a weird little creep. A weird little secession gremlin, I think is what you called it. Yes, yes. Yes. Did I? Oh, well.
00:33:23
Speaker
Good for me. um So, he goes she invites him to their house for a dinner party, and her sister is like, I'm gonna fuck him. And she's like, don't don't fuck him. Because she just got out of a relationship, and she's like, well, I mean, like if you're just gonna be friends with him, then let me fuck him. And so, that starts a whole B-plot, but the main thing that happens when he goes to dinner with him is that Ben is an asshole to him immediately, and is like,
00:33:51
Speaker
I don't believe that you want to be friends with my girlfriend. I think that you're trying to be a conniving little shit, which he kind of is. So, like, I mean, he talked that he talks about it with Adam Driver. It's like he doesn't want to do that. He wants to be. That's that's what he tells her at the end. He's like, I wanted to be friends with you, but I couldn't help like falling in love with you, which is.
00:34:13
Speaker
you know, on the minor end of the bad things you can do in the beginning of a relationship, I suppose. Yeah. But at least he's honest about it. He is. Yeah. And he's not under he's not intentionally trying to undermine their relationship. He's not. Exactly.
00:34:28
Speaker
He's not like things happen, which in them, which may put them in romantic situations, but it's not his fault. Like he's not the one who stole their clothes. like That would be fucking creepy. He's not the one that initiates any of it. He just now happens to be there. And he's just sort of stuck in these awkward situations. Yeah, girl that he feels a lot of feelings for. Yeah. And then she feels back.
00:34:50
Speaker
Yeah, and she feels back and it's very confusing and frustrating and upsetting for the both of them, um but they enjoy being in each other's lives, which is very sweet. Anyway, he knocks your boyfriend out of a window. Yes. Because Ben gets jalapeno juice on his fingers, and then he rubs his eye, and then he starts freaking out. And and they're like, you dropped out of medical school, Daniel Radcliffe. What do we do? And he's like, do you wear contacts? And where's the saline solution? So he goes to the bathroom, and then when he comes out, um he opens the door right as Ben is trying to walk through the door, and he knocks him through the open window.
00:35:29
Speaker
I honestly thought he killed him for a second. That would have been hilarious. I know. I mean, he fell far enough. Yeah, it's like a second floor apartment. I think he breaks his arm is I think is what happens. Yeah. um Which is it's very funny. um And yeah, so they kind of continue to be friends. ah Ben, the boyfriend, ends up taking this job. He works for the U.N. in some kind of like copyright.
00:35:58
Speaker
yeah yeah yeah he he Yeah, he explains it and my eyes glaze over. yeah um yeah but So he goes to Dublin and is there for six months. And so Chantry is kind of alone and so she and Wallace start hanging out more. And then like things start to happen.
00:36:17
Speaker
Yeah, things start to happen. They get put in very, you know, tricky situations. Well, first, you know, um Mackenzie Davis and Adam Driver have a surprise wedding. Well, no, first they they it's before they get married that they do the. Oh, that they do the beach. The beach, right. i Yeah, I think it is. I thought the beach was after. So I remember thinking. Oh, they married. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. It doesn't matter.
00:36:45
Speaker
It doesn't matter, it really doesn't matter. um But they have a surprise wedding and then the four of them go to the beach and they're having this lovely time out on the beach. I assume they're going to go camping and Mackenzie Davis is like, let's go swimming and um you nobody brought their swimsuit to the beach. And ah she do hit her and um what's his name? Adam Driver.
00:37:12
Speaker
go skinny dipping, and then Chantry turns to Wallace and goes, do you want to go swimming? And so that's the first step of crossing a line. All the line crossing that happens. Well, line crossing happens, and then she doubles down and regrets it several times. And then she acts out.
00:37:33
Speaker
It's understandable, honestly, like. Yeah. Anyway, so they they go skinny dipping and then they they get back and they're looking up at the stars and they're like, because it's because a a fish brushes by her foot and she gets like freaked out and they leave the lake and they come back and they're looking up at the stars and they're like, you know, they've got their hands over themselves. And then she looks at him and says, I'll look if you look. Mm hmm. Which is like. Come on as hell.
00:38:01
Speaker
Come on, Chantry. Right? Right? Like, girl, girl, you need to, I mean, that you're lonely. And that you like to. And they do. And they look at each other's naked bodies. And then they realize that Adam Driver and Mackenzie Davis stole their clothes, left them one sleeping bag, and left the beach. Yeah, assholes.
00:38:27
Speaker
an extremely shitty thing to do to somebody like especially because we are picking up on this like romantic tension that's happening between them which is why they do it and like you know Daniel Radcliffe has told Adam Driver that he's like got feelings for her so it's it's extra shitty that they do this and so it's that kind of turn on this thing where it's like Um, they have this argument because she's like, you think this is funny? And he's like, no, I don't think this is funny. I think they're assholes, and i but I think you're being an asshole to me right now. Um, and where it's this, like the trope is the, there's only one bed, you know, rom com trope, which gets kind of turned into this more serious, um, like this is fucked up kind of situation, which is what happens.
00:39:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like really heartbreaking to watch because you can just you can see like her. Zoe Kazan does I mean they all do amazing jobs in this movie. But Zoe Kazan like you can really see sort of like the turmoil and and like in the meantime she's also debating about ah her. She's also going through a lot of changes that her job.
00:39:34
Speaker
That's true. Her, you know, boyfriend's out of town. She doesn't know if she still loves him and she's happy to meet you.
Subplots and Humor in "What If"
00:39:41
Speaker
wall So like there's a lot of things that are happening and it's all highlighted through or sort of accented by this animation of her as a butterfly, would you say?
00:39:53
Speaker
Yeah, it's like a fairy or a butterfly. It's her with butterfly wings kind of flying around that only she can see kind of thing. And it's like it's linked to her mother in some way because the tattoo on her back is of a butterfly, which is her mom yeah who died when she was like 10 years old or something.
00:40:10
Speaker
Yeah, of breast cancer. Yeah. And, um and yeah, and so there's there's that whole thing. And Charlie had a lot of feelings about the animation plot line. He he had a lot of thoughts. And so this this is a great segue into Charlie's Corner, Charlie's Corner, Charlie's Corner. Oh,
00:40:29
Speaker
I can never remember. Like a music man. Right? Charlie's corner, Charlie's corner, Charlie's corner. um He, Charlie at first was like started just talking about, he was like, he really enjoyed the movie. He really thought it was great.
00:40:44
Speaker
And then he started going on and on about how he didn't think he was like, would she still be a manic pixie dream girl? Had she not been an animator? Or was that just sort of like a way to sort of show the audience that she is that sort of almost so like twee trope? And I was like, well, she had to have some sort of cutesy job. Yeah. And, uh,
00:41:05
Speaker
Why not? With a lot of free time. She did a job with a lot of free time for her to hang out with him during the day. Yeah. Exactly. And and so so then Charlie just like, keep he's like, he leaves the conversation. I go to bed. He comes upstairs about an hour later and he lies down in the bed and he goes, I just don't understand the animation storyline. Like, I just feel like maybe there's a version of the script out there where the there was more detail about her animation career.
00:41:35
Speaker
Definitely not. It's not that important, Charlie. He just got so tied up in it. The point is, I mean, like you get the you get the little like, you know, stylistic flourishes of the of the of the but avatar character that's like moving through her life and dancing on the walls and stuff that she's following somewhere and she ends up following it to Taiwan, right? Yeah, yeah.
00:41:59
Speaker
um Because she's she's resisted promotions at her job because she doesn't want more responsibility. She doesn't want to leave Toronto. Yeah Which the job would require her to be in Taiwan for a certain amount of time, but then come back. Yeah um and ah But she and she doesn't she she wants to animate she doesn't want to manage people like she wants to like do her job, which is one of these things it's like I That's the P I think that's the heater principle like the thing where like somebody is really good at something so they keep getting promoted but then they end up being promoted out of what they're good at. Yeah, so like, um you know, Michael Scott in the office is a good salesman but he's not a good manager. Yes. um So I guess that's that's kind of what she's afraid of.
00:42:39
Speaker
and And also she doesn't want to leave and she's scared to leave all of her friends and family and her boyfriend at the time and such. um And so she's resisted it. And finally at the end, when things kind of go sour with both Ben and Wallace, she decides she's going to take a job because it's what she needs to do for her career. And her boss is like, I should never put that other guy over you. You're the person who should have done it. I'll give you a couple of weeks to decide. And so she goes to visit Ben in Dublin.
00:43:06
Speaker
And she sees him there with a woman who is just a friend, which is like kind of gives the you know, and she I i think the script thinks she's just a friend. I don't think anything is going on between the two of them. They blatantly call it like as they see it very, very obviously in the script because you have that moment of them like stumbling back together and you're like, oh, Ben's cheating. I see where this is going.
00:43:30
Speaker
But then like even she is like, oh, no, no, no. like We're just friends. I swear nothing's going on. And Ben's like, yeah, she's the Argentinian um who lives like a representative at the UN who lives next door in the apartment next door. And she goes, I'm going to go put some socks on my ear so I can't hear all of your loud love making. And you're like, cool. OK. She wouldn't say that if she was fucking Ben.
00:43:55
Speaker
Yeah, and like, it's the idea. I mean, she's been doing the same thing. She's been having this friendship with this this man while he's gone, too. I mean, sometimes like it is like if you're if you're away from your your partner for a long period of time, you have to have it's like the work wife situation, right? Like you fulfill you fill that role with somebody, even if it's completely platonic.
00:44:15
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Because you're lonely and you want to have someone in your life. And when you're used to having someone around you all the time. Exactly. seven Like, yeah. I mean, this happens to me every time Charlie goes back to England by himself or goes to Australia or goes to somewhere um by himself. And I'm alone because I'm I'm immediately my first reaction is, oh, thank God, I get the bed to myself. I can watch whatever I want on TV.
00:44:40
Speaker
I don't have to worry about a damn thing. That's so alien to me. Right. I just like opposites in this fact. And like, I don't have to clean up after him. I just have to clean up after myself. This is great. ah And then a few days, ah literally 24 to 48 hours will go by and then I'll be like, I'm bored. I don't. Yeah, I don't like this. Yeah.
00:45:11
Speaker
it Um, yeah, I cuz I cuz Caitlin was gone this past weekend and like I get I get spooked in the apartment by myself Like I suddenly just start imagining like um home invaders and in the shadow people coming out of the mirrors I think we've talked about my mirror ah phobia and on this podcast before I know I've talked I know I've talked to you about it. I don't think we haven't talked about it on the on the podcast But yeah, I won't look at a mirror in the dark um because I'm afraid that something will be behind me which I feel is and That's perfectly reasonable. I mean, in in fiction, sure. Everyone has their irrational fears. Everyone has their irrational fears.
00:45:51
Speaker
So if I go to, so I sleep on the side of the bed closest to the wall um away from the door. And so if I need to go to the bathroom in the night, I got to walk around and I got to go walk right by the mirror. So I will close my eyes when I go by the mirror. So I don't look into it. I have to pee in the middle of the night. You know what you should do is you should be like a Victorian widow and just put a sheet over it. ah you You have to know that's much scarier. and But that's what they did so that the ghosts couldn't get stuck in the house. Yeah, that's what Jewish people do during Shiva. Yeah. Cover the mirrors, yeah. So when you go to bed, you should cover all the mirrors. That should be part of your nighttime routine. That's so scary. That's way scarier than a mirror. That doesn't make you be insane. Yeah, yeah. So sorry. Katie's got to go to bed now. She's got to cover all the mirrors. Ooh.
00:46:47
Speaker
Listen, I am I'm only a few bad decisions away from being a Victorian widow who never leaves the house. So I don't but need to push any of those things further. It's my goal. It's that's my life goals is to be for Charlie to die.
00:47:04
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, all right. But then I would be sad. And I i want Charlie. I want to be a Victorian widow who who lives with her ghost of a husband. So okay he is the ghost that lives in the house. And, you know, he he's just a little ghosty.
00:47:27
Speaker
I'm going to get text messages about this episode.
00:47:34
Speaker
I'm a... Something else that happened, there's another scene that we forgot where um she ah is dress shopping for um this like event she has to go to.
Character Decisions and Film Resolution
00:47:45
Speaker
And she takes him with her and she's like, I want to try that one on. And the sales person's like, are you a two? And she's like, yes. It's only because Anna's so tiny. She's obviously a two. She probably is a two, yeah. But um that's not the point. The point is that she goes into the dressing room and gets stuck trying to take the dress off over her head, which
00:48:05
Speaker
homestem on us has not gotten stuck in a dress one way or another. All the time, all the time. And I work with dresses. Yeah, well, that's true. Yeah, I mentioned you probably more so than others were working at the bridal store. But so she asked how Daniel Radcliffe come in and help her like get out of it, which And she's like, close your eyes. And he doesn't close his eyes. He doesn't. Well, how else is he supposed to do it? I mean, yeah, I know. I think that I think that she has to know that he has to open his eyes to get her out of that. But like, I don't know, it seemed a little shitty. Because like, it was one thing if like, if it's one thing, because he like,
00:48:44
Speaker
He like pulls the thing up to where it's, her mouth is visible. And there's this moment where he's like, he's not gonna kiss her, right? Because that would be so creepy. It would be so creepy and weird and not romantic in any way. If he had revealed her eyes and she saw that his eyes were open and like didn't say anything about it, that would be one thing. Yeah. What does happen is he pulls it up and closes his eyes and then she Looks like she's going to kiss him for a second. Yeah. Which also works. But I don't know. I still felt a little shitty that he said his eyes were closed and they weren't. Yeah. But at the same time, like practical. Well, I mean, the understanding is that she has to know he didn't have his eyes closed because we don't acknowledge that in the movie. It just I don't know. I don't know. It felt a little weird. It felt a little. Yeah, it felt a little weird. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. I get that.
00:49:42
Speaker
um We should talk about the Elvis in the room. ah The through line of like how they become friends and like the their first like conversation where they're like, oh, I like this person. It's about a um a food item called fool's gold, which I did not know was a thing.
00:50:03
Speaker
Nope, me neither. Sounds disgusting. It is a giant loaf of bread covered in butter, then halved, and then um carved like made hollow inside. Then one half is filled with an entire jar of peanut butter. The other half is an entire jar of jam. And then it is topped with ah like a pound of bacon. And then you close it, and you cut it, and that's your sandwich.
00:50:32
Speaker
he ah and And that's how they're discussing that and then also like how many pounds of feces Elvis had in his intestines when he died. Jack that was hilarious. Made by the Colorado Mine Company, a restaurant in Denver, Colorado. He purchased 22 of the sandwiches and spent two hours eating them and drinking Perrier and champagne before flying home. Yep. But like, that just sounds so messy.
00:50:57
Speaker
yeah It sounds awful is what it sounds like. It sounds so messy and so goopy. Like there's nothing for the peanut butter and the jelly to stick to if you've already carved out the bread. Like what is it gonna stick to? I was looking at pictures of it. um Yeah, that's that's a very messy sandwich. um It sounds disgusting.
00:51:14
Speaker
But anyway, it's kind of like this little joke for them. And it again, that's very like indie twee culture too. Exactly. And it comes back around at the end. back When she decides she's moving to Taiwan and he finally shows up at her going away party, which he said he wasn't going to. Oh, because back up, he decides that he has to tell her. And so he thought he goes to her house. Her sister is there. his his Her sister who um made a move on him and um made out with him and then kicked him out of the car because he didn't want to sleep with her. In this thing where it's like it's also implied that the only reason he doesn't sleep with her is because that means he'll never get with Chantry, which is a also a little. It's also a little funky. Yeah. Yeah. also just like Yeah. Because like this vision of her shows up and says like, if you sleep with my sister, we are never ever, ever getting together. looks Like, I don't know. Maybe.
00:52:13
Speaker
Yeah, but it would it would make things a little bit more awkward, a little bit weirder. For sure, for sure. um Chantry and Dahlia are the sisters names, which, okay. That's a lot. Anyway, um yeah, so the sister is there and she's like, you know, you're obviously into her and she's never gonna leave Ben for you because they've been together forever and she loves him and you need to get over it. You're a freak and a sad, pathetic person.
00:52:42
Speaker
And so he decides he's going to fly to he he finds out he sees on her refrigerator where Ben is staying goes to Dublin to tell her and Ben is there and he's like, she's gone. And he's like, where is she? And he punches him in the face, which yep kind deserved. I mean, obviously, I mean, what what else did you think what was going to happen?
00:53:06
Speaker
Yeah, then he gets a voicemail from Chantry saying, I'm coming back to Toronto, meet me at this diner. And he's like, Oh my God. So he went to Ireland and she went to to Canada.
00:53:17
Speaker
So he's got a meter at this diner. um And she's like, I need i have something to tell you. I need to tell you this. And he's like, what is it? And she's like, you've got a black eye. You have to explain the black eye. And he doesn't want to. Yeah. But finally, she won't tell him whatever she's going to tell him, which we don't really find out. It's got something to do with Taiwan. And it also may have to do with her breaking up with Ben. And it may also have to do with her having feelings for him. But we don't really get all of it out.
00:53:37
Speaker
Because he says, Ben hit me because I went to Dublin to tell you how I feel about you. And she's like, well, you could have told me that anytime you went to Dublin to break us up, which is 100% true. And it's something that does not get called out in rom coms and enough. True. Like that is the, that is the, this is a big dramatic gesture that absolutely does not work. And that is definitely how it would work in real life.
00:54:03
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. It's way too messy, way too complicated. like That is basically all you're doing is creating drama for drama's sake. Nobody ends up happy at the end of the day because not only does the person that you're trying to break up their spouse with, they have to see them be heartbroken.
00:54:25
Speaker
and if they decide to like that they also have feelings for you or you just get bigly rejected like it's just like it's a lose-lose situation yeah and it happens all the time in rom-coms and it we never really see it play out this way i mean we do see it play out in bad ways in ways that backfire too but like her explicitly calling him out on it like this i think is is pretty unique and um and refreshing to see and she's like you know and she she doesn't say this exactly but like it's not a crime to have feelings for her and he's like you know you I know that you have feelings from you too and he explicitly says I'll look if you look you know and she's like well I you know have to deal with that or something like that yeah but it is a crime to not a crime but you know what I mean it's a bad thing to do
00:55:16
Speaker
to fly to Dublin to try to break her up with her boyfriend. Yeah, exactly. Because ah for all you know, she's perfectly happy and getting engaged over there. Yeah, exactly. Which is why he panicked and went over there, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Um, yes. So then some time passes and she tells him I'm moving to Taiwan. So goodbye, Wallace. And ah so she is Adam Driver's cousin, we should say is important because she's having her goodbye party at his house.
00:55:46
Speaker
um and And Wallace says he's not coming. And she wants him to be there because she keeps looking for him at the door the whole night and he doesn't show up. Adam Driver goes over and tries to get him to come over. And there's a go get your girl speech that is, we don't see. We don't see, it's cut. It doesn't work. It's cut from the movie. Yeah. And then eventually he shows up and they have gotten each other gifts of the fool's gold sandwich.
00:56:12
Speaker
yeah And they have a nice talk. And then they kiss. Yep. Yep, I bet. And then it cuts to an airport 18 months later. And it's this cute little fake out where she's got all her luggage and she's coming out of the thing. They're at YYZ, the Toronto airport, um just like the song. Amazing. I love the fact that you know the name of the Toronto airport. It's ah it's the Rush song, YYZ.
00:56:43
Speaker
i am but i' not fine but i'm bump fine and i that it's I know it because of rock band. I played a lot of rock band in college.
00:56:52
Speaker
um live I know you played Guitar Hero recently. Yes, I did. It was great. It was great fun. I'm not very good at it. But boy, did I have a great time doing it. Yeah. When I was in college, you played where we played rock band a lot.
00:57:06
Speaker
um And Caitlin's family also loves rock band. And we played rock band a lot at Caitlin's family's place. And her sisters and brother and me and Caitlin would play rock band all the time when we lived in Virginia also. And multiple occasions Caitlin and I have been like, we should get rock band. We should just buy rock band, have it at the house. And we've looked it up and it's so absurdly expensive now. yeah Like, there was a time, like, when when we were playing when when when we were living in Virginia in, like, 2013 or whatever, when this movie came out, um it was everywhere. like you couldn't Like, you couldn't walk down the street without tripping over Guitar Hero controllers and stuff. Exactly. And now they are hundreds and hundreds of dollars on eBay to get rock bands. Like, because they they did a new one in, like, I don't know, 2018 or something. Like, they released a new one or whatever.
00:58:01
Speaker
that one now is like $600 because it didn't do well. And I guess like they, they stopped making it and there's only a few copies available and stuff. And like, and it's such a shame. Maybe me one day we'll come into some money or something and we'll decide to spend that much money on video. We'll just like have a comeback. And it's possible. It's possible. Um,
00:58:26
Speaker
Yeah, because I feel like I, because I didn't own Rock Band. I had one of the guitars, I think. But Rock Band was owned by somebody else. I think it was Sony. In college. Oh, sorry. I think it was Sony.
00:58:43
Speaker
Oh, no, no, no. I mean, the one of my friends had it. And then because, yeah, we were at Kaylin's parents house a couple of years ago and we tried to hook it all up together and they were missing some important piece or something. We couldn't do it. It was devastating. Like we spent like 30, 40 minutes trying to put it all together. And there was like some little receiver or something. It doesn't
Final Thoughts and Future Movie Choices
00:59:02
Speaker
matter. Yeah. Way off topic on rock band. Good video game. Yeah. Come back rock band. Come back five video game for Katie.
00:59:10
Speaker
um Oh, yeah. So and then like it there's a brief period where they like pretend that they don't that they haven't been together this whole time. And they're like, oh, it's good to see you. And what where are you coming from? And she's like, oh, I've been in Taiwan this whole time. And I got engaged. And he's like, oh, I got engaged, too. But it's to each other. Yeah. You went with her to Taiwan and he went to medical school in Taiwan and they've been together the whole time. Yeah. um And then they get married again.
00:59:42
Speaker
And it's very cute. And he I um I read that. The there was a different ending originally, and they did a reshoot like almost a year later. And what I what I imagine that is, is that it originally just ended within at the airport and then the wedding scene and the scene with him on the roof got added. But I don't know that for for fact. Yeah, I saw that, too. But I can't find anywhere what the original ending was.
01:00:10
Speaker
Because the thing I read was on the Wikipedia page was that it's the ending is extended, not changed. I just added something to it. Yeah. So that's my guess. Yeah. It probably ended it probably either. It ended with um them kissing and then you just don't know what their future is going to be. And then they added that whole like epilogue to it or it's possible. Yeah. I can see it ending with just them kissing and then that being the end of the movie and you'd be like, but what, what, what happens next?
01:00:38
Speaker
That would be hard, I think. I think I wouldn't like it as much. Which is probably why they added the epilogue. Yeah, smart. Yeah. This movie did not do well and is disappointing. It's extremely unknown. Most people have not heard of this movie, which is a shame because it is one of the good ones, like of the last 10 years, I mean, I guess 11 years now, but it is definitely like this in this such is such a dry, rough period for rom coms, like the 2010s. It is definitely a highlight. um yeah And I wish that more people would watch it. And maybe our dozens of listeners could all tell a dozen people and we could get a um ah fire lit under
01:01:24
Speaker
the movie that should be called The F Word. Exactly. And then those dozen listeners tell a dozen more people and they tell a dozen more people. And then it has a Renaissance and then Guitar Hero comes back and world peace. Yeah. There we go. Amazing. Do you have any other thoughts, feelings or opinions? Free Palestine.
01:01:47
Speaker
um There's a couple of things. On the movie, Katie. There's a couple of things. We're just talking about, like, I wish things were better, so. Oh, yeah. Same. Adam Driver is heckling the old men playing boxy, which is very funny to me. Yes. It's so funny. It's so good. Charlie lost his mind because he loves lawn bowls. He loves it so much. He was just like, ah, lawn bowling.
01:02:16
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Um, oh, we have the, we have a fuck word. Uh, this is a return of our, our segment in a PG 13. They're allowed to say the fuck word one time. And in this point in this, in this movie, the scene is where her sister Dahlia has kissed him and he has had the vision of Chantry saying, if you sleep with my sister, we're never getting together. And, um, he says, I can't do this. I can't do this with you. Like, and he's like, Oh, you can't like,
01:02:45
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I'm great. That's what he says. He's like, you're great, but I can't do this. He's like, I'm great. I'm great. And then she says, get the fuck out. And she like literally kicks him out of the car. Yeah. And I thought that was great. I think it worked very well. That was very good usage. Great usage. Great usage. A little hidden, like, dug in there. Not said by any of the protagonists. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good.
01:03:14
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Um, this is a cheating rom com. It is is ah ah ah our second one in a row. Right. No, no, no, no, no. no um We did Dirty Dancing in between four weddings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it is a cheating rom com. Yeah.
01:03:29
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um And I think that's about all I got. Cool. I've said my piece. Why did they leave it so long to let it be known that they're in Toronto?
01:03:41
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I mean, it's like the second shot of the movie, am I? No, it's not, Katie.
01:03:49
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ah So when we do the Instagram. I need we we need to we need to definitely include a picture of the CN Tower. Yes. Be like, do you recognize this? Do you recognize this? Really good. Famous landmark. I know what it looks but they in the structures. I know what it looks like in the daytime.
01:04:09
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Oh, OK. Maybe I just have night blindness. It's a very unique building. Like, it's a spire with a weird circular thing, like two thirds the way up. Like, it doesn't look like anything else. It looks like the Seattle needle. No, it doesn't. know Google the CN Tower. I want you to see it. Is it just CN? Yeah, CN Tower. Yeah. Oh, you can get tickets. Yeah.
01:04:38
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to go up it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks like the needle. Okay. A little bit. I mean, they're both tall spires with a round thing. But the round thing is all the way up on the Seattle space needle. I just looking at it, you're just it doesn't. It doesn't scream Toronto. too I don't know. I don't know. Well,
01:05:05
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In addition to all the British listeners that we regularly offend, we are now offending Canadian listeners. I'm so sorry, Canada. I love you. Your country is great. um Our Amerocentrism. all Right. Your country is great and amazing. And I apologize. And now I know that that is Toronto. They're not going to let us move there now if Trump gets elected and we have to escape. I need an escape plan.
01:05:33
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ah Oh, man. Well, it's my pick for next week. It is. So what are we watching next week, Emma? Next week, I thought it would be fun to do a because we've been doing a lot of heavy hitters. We've been doing a lot of really great ones. So I thought it'd be fun to do sort of like a not a bad one. I mean, it's it's funny, but it's not, you know, everyone's not like, oh, my God, I need to watch this. Oh, my God. This makes me feel so in love. um Have you ever seen What's Your Number?
01:06:04
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No, I haven't. It's with Anna. Anna Ferris. Right? Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Okay. What's your number? All right. And are we going to reveal our numbers on the on the podcast? I was gonna say should we reveal the number our numbers? I don't know. Absolutely. I'll have to do some math.
01:06:20
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I mean, body count is what they call that now. Body count, your body count. I remember watching that movie, What's Your Number? and then immediately going to my notebook and writing down all of my numbers so that I would never forget. For those of you who are not aware of what we're talking about, we're talking about people you've slept with. Sexual partners. Yes. Sexual partners. And you heard it here first. We will both reveal our numbers. Breaking news.
01:06:50
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I will name every single name. I will not.
01:06:57
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And we may both think better of this and decide not to do it when we record it. Exactly. We make no promises. I could cut all of this out. You won't. You won't cut this out. ah Shall we outro? I think this is your edit, so it's on you. Yeah, I know, right?
01:07:16
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All right, I'm ready if you are. Thank you for listening to Go Get Your Girl. If you like us, tell your friends and please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It helps out a lot and we would really appreciate it. Thanks to Andrew Milliken and Nyx Favota for our theme music and Elena Henderson for our artwork. You can follow us on Instagram at Go Get Your Girl Pod or email us at GoGetYourGirlPod at Gmail. You can follow me on social media at EmilyMPizza.
01:07:44
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And me at Katie of the Lake. Until next time, we're just two girls. Standing in front of the internet. Asking it to love us. Good night. Good night.