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Mamma Mia: Here We Go Again
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That's right, we just could not resist doing the sequel back to back! Emma and Katie stay surprisingly on topic in this episode, mostly because there's so much to talk about! Venture into the weeds with them as they wrapped around the axle on: What's going on with the timeline in this universe, exactly? How did Meryl Streep die? Do ABBA exist in this world? Have YOU heard of the A*Teens??
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Transcript
Introduction and Setting the Scene
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You've got a little fan. I do. It's so warm. It's because like I could turn the fan, like the electric fan on, but then there'd be that little noise. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just gonna let my mic catch all the wind from my... There you go. I heard that one. Yeah. I feel very Bridgerton. Uh-huh. Yeah. Just like sitting with my fan and, you know, talking about boys and rom-coms.
Podcast Theme Reveal
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And Greece, a holiday in Greece. And Greece, Jane Austen.
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Um, that's right, guys. You guessed it. That's, uh, this is Go Get Your Girl, the podcast where Emma and Katie return to their favorite island in Greece only to find that their favorite person on that favorite island in Greece is dead. And now they have to go back in time and see how things came to be. But there are plot holes. That's right, guys. There's a lot of plot holes.
Introduction to Mamma Mia 2
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There were a lot of, for the listener, there were a lot of eye rolls in that um introduction.
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I'm Katie. And I'm Emma. And we're discussing, of course, Mamma Mia 2. Here I go again.
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Um, yeah. And that was the fastest we've ever gotten to the intro in the history of the podcast. I think, um, 15 minutes. And then I was like, we gotta record. Yeah. And you were like, I gotta go to work. Um, yeah. Mamma Mia, here we go again from 2018 written and directed by
Plot Holes and Inconsistencies Discussion
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all Parker. ah who also incongruously wrote and directed the lesbian rom-com Imagine Me and You, which will definitely be on this podcast. Yeah, we will. Absolutely. I don't know why this straight man who's married to Tandoori Newton is making these movies, but good for him, I guess. Oh, this is Tandoori Newton's husband? Yeah. Why is Tandoori Newton not in Calicari?
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either of those movies. I don't know. Too busy, I guess. And he also did Ticket to Paradise from last year with George Clooney and Julia Roberts, which I have not seen, but I'm sure we'll do it on this podcast eventually as well. We'll do it. Yeah. So rom com o tour, all Parker made this movie. um with ah story credits to Katherine Johnson, who wrote the first movie, and Richard Curtis, the famous British rom-com guy who did, for writing to the funeral and love actually, and all that. All those fun ones. yeah Yeah. So then that leads me to my, leads me to my first question. ah Why wasn't this better? Yeah, it,
Critique of the Film's Reception and Timeline
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it's, well,
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because it didn't need to be made is why it's not better. Well, because Meryl Streep said no, and then they talked her into a cameo. Right at the end. And so then they had, they it had to all be about Donna's feet, like, no, not her funeral, but like reopening of the Villa Donna, which it was always named the Hotel Villa Donna or whatever Bella Donna. Yeah, it was. if The sign is in the first movie, yeah. Yeah, but like, but Sophie says... She renovated it though, because it was all messed up in the first movie.
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Well, yeah, but she like someone she's talking to, I don't know, Pierce Brosnan or someone and they're like, um Oh, no, she's talking to k Christine Brzezinski and what's her name? And they're like, what did you name it? What do you rename it? She goes, the Hotel Villadonna or Belladonna. Like it was like in honor of Donna, but it was already named that so you can't It's almost like they expect the audience to not have seen the movie once in the 10 years in between the two and not like we've all seen Mama Mia a million times. That's exactly how I felt. I was like, this is lies. It is. Yeah. It's a hu Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't really match. Okay, so this is so for those of you who have not seen Mama Mia, first of all, stop listening to this podcast immediately and go watch Mama Mia.
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Yeah, and then listen to our podcast on Mamma Mia. Yeah, yeah, which was from last week. um And this is the Godfather Part Two of the Mamma Mia efforts. So but not as good. Well, of course, yes, not as good. Yeah, I could, I feel a fairly safe saying that Mamma Mia here we go again is not as good as the Godfather Part Two. Yeah. um But yeah structurally I mean so it's half prequel and half sequel and it keeps cutting between and um ah Meryl Streep's character Donna as life in the 70s versus um Amanda Seyfried's life in the future past past the first movie. yeah um And here we get into what we discussed in the first episode
Character Age and Background Discrepancies
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the weird, like, what what year is it? When is this happening? Because yeah as we discussed in the first movie, the first movie is explicitly set in 1999. Yes. Now this movie, I would assume, would that would mean it was it's set in 2009, because this movie came out 10 years after Mamma Mia. You would think that, yes. However, ah Oh, really? Is there an answer? Maybe I wasn't watching closely enough. No, there's no answer. I think they just sort of made this movie just as is, didn't try to specify any year and was just like, well, just, you know, as if it happened today. No one needs to know. Yeah, because it came out in 2018. And it's like, there are certain things like they have iPhones, which there were iPhones in 2009.
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yeah I don't think they're the same model of it nobody's making video calls. Nobody is like I mean nothing none of that happens I did notice that dominant Cooper is on a landline in New York in the one scene near the beginning Okay, maybe that's a little foresight. That's something because here's the other thing like Donna's age and her death are a problem on multiple levels because first of all it makes all the future stuff a real bummer. Like, yeah, a Mia is one of the most joyous, like, carefree, like musical comedies. Yep. And this, it's like, okay, so like, if it were just the flashbacks, I think this movie would do much better. Oh, absolutely. If they had chosen just to do the flashbacks and not tie in the her like memorial service slash Oh, yes, spoiler, Sophie's pregnant.
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Yeah, the extreme Sophie. yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sophie, Sophie. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. It's like her name is Amanda Pfeiffer. um
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The character's name is Sophie. You're so right. um There's a lot of names. There's a lot of characters in this movie. There's a lot of names to keep straight. so um And then in this, there's twice as many actors in this one as the other one, because we all have to see them as their past self. But hold on. So because all of the stuff in the 70s, despite some truly low tier Abba songs, like some bottom of the barrel. They ran out of Abba songs. They ran out of Abba songs real good. Like I kissed a teacher. Yeah, that's the opener. At your graduation from Oxford. Yeah. Yep. that that That's the opener and it's real awkward.
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I feel like that's a good way to get your graduation, like,
Critique of Donna's Backstory and Cher's Role
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repealed from Oxford University. Like, I don't know much about Oxford, but I feel like if the valedictorian started a musical number about kissing a teacher and involved several, like, provost people involved in it, um, I don't know. I feel like that wouldn't go over well. Like, that's the most American thing some of an American can do at Oxford, I guess. Oh yeah, you so Donna and her and her age and her and her death because all right so it's confusing because Meryl Streep who's 60 in the first movie is playing a 41 or 42 year old. Yes. We know that because she's supposed to be 20 or 21 when she had Sophie and then Sophie is 20. They say repeatedly she's only 20 and she's marrying Dominique Cooper. We have made peace with that. Yes.
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10 years later, it would go to stand to reason that Meryl Streep would only be like 50 or 51 or two. Yeah. when Oh, this head because she died a year ago. So 50 or 51 at the oldest. Yes. How did she die? Was it cancer? It never says. They never specify so that she fall off a cliff. potentially. But like here's my other here's here's the other thing that that my biggest issue is we reintroduce spoiler alert Donna's mom into the equation. Cher. Cher. And um I'm like pretty positive who's playing Cher as Donna's mom. I'm pretty positive that they made a reference in the first movie that her mom was dead
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Wait, did they? Yeah, they said something about, well, I brought this up to Charlie and he goes, I don't think they specified. They just made like some sort of like off. and comment of like, God rest her soul or something like that. May she rest in peace. They never outwardly say, they just use like a colloquialism to like reference it in the first one, like right before the Mamma Mia song. Because I remember when I was rewatching it for the pod, I was like, wait a second, how is Cher gonna be in the second one if Cher's dead? So that leads me to believe
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that are they all just in purgatory? Is Calicary purgatory?
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It's a really nice purgatory, if true. Like that we could do worse than end up in purgatory on Calicary Island. Yeah. Are they all dead? Well, here's the thing. I mean, like, there's a thing where, like, she doesn't show up to her daughter's college graduation. Right. They don't have a good relationship. So I guess it could be one of those things where it's like she just treated her like she was dead. I guess. But I find it very strange. And then there's the age thing because Cher is only a few years older than Meryl Streep. She's, I think, four years older than Meryl Streep. So it's, but Meryl Streep is playing 20 years younger. So, you know, if sharer Cher could be playing her actual age, which is I think it was like 71 or two in this movie. Yeah, that she's that that that that they that that's reasonable. I guess that tracks nevermind. I'll allow it.
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I just, it's just my first note
Musical Numbers and Their Impact
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for this movie is, well, here we go again, I guess. You were so excited the last, had you not seen this movie? No, I had seen this movie. I enjoy parts of it because it is yeah so dumb. Um, but there are other, but then you're just like, you have to get through like the plot bits and then I don't appreciate the lack of consistency through plot lines. Um, yeah, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's weird. I mean, it's the thing like there was never, they never intended for there to be a sequel. The movie was such a big hit that they made the sequel anyway. Now they're making a third one. Like the producers said in October of 2023 that the the third one is still on.
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Well, I mean, obviously it needs to mostly be about, it mostly needs to be about Colin first. Obviously, obviously. But what ABBA songs are left, Katie? What ABBA songs are left? I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you an ABBA song that was left after the first movie. Literally the only ABBA hit that was not like real hit that wasn't in the first movie is, is, uh, Fernando. Yeah. Well, in terms of the hit of something that I could name, you know what I mean? Like as not an ABBA fan, I could name the song Fernando and it wasn't in the first movie. Did you never listen to the Ateens? I know I brought that up last time. I did. like I mean, I wasn't like a big Ateens fan, but I knew of the Ateens for sure. i I was a big Ateens fan. Did not realize that they were a cover band. Yeah. um And so I just coincidentally just know a bunch of ABBA songs thanks to the Ateens.
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Yeah, so I knew the one that Skye and Sophie sing after they get into a fight. One of us is da da da da da da da da da. Whatever, that's fine. um
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So the plugin like but things that really work, the things that really, really work are Waterloo, Dancing Queen, Mama Mia, the songs that they already did in the first movie. I mean, yes, they do a real amount. So Waterloo is only done as a stage number after during the credits of the first movie. Yeah. And they give it like a full production in this. And it's so charming, it rules. It's so cute. I love it. It's adorable. One probably my favorite number in the entire film before when I first saw this movie, even before I forced Charlie to watch it. I remember I forced Charlie to watch that scene. I was like, Look at how cute this is. And the thing is, like, it's the thing that I really appreciate about this movie. And the other movie is that it is not ashamed of being a big musical.
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Like we talked about this in the last episode. So many modern movie musicals cut chorus numbers. They're cutting. yeah The dancing is coming back like Matilda. Those little girls are dancing so hard in Matilda. So hard. Yeah. Red beret girl. Yeah. She gets it. Yeah. Yeah. They're doing that. They're doing like full. like choral numbers, full, like like they're in public and everybody just joint joins in the song and dancing is completely outside the bounds of reality. um And I love that because
Cameo Appearances and Fun Facts
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most movies are afraid to be that cheesy and this movie is not afraid to be cheesy. Many strikes against this this movie that is not one of them.
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That is very correct, very, very correct. Also, this leads me to my very first of Emma's fun facts, Emma's fun facts. So unlike the first movie, Mamma Mia, here we go again, was able to get in contact with some members of ABBA. There's two members of ABBA that make cameos in this movie. Yeah. Um, the first one is in the, uh, very first, uh, song and I kissed a teacher cause Charlie kept being like, guess who that is. Guess who that is. And I was like, I have no idea who the fuck that is. And he was just like, the thing where it like, it's kind of like in, like, if you watch.
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if you watch like a comic book movie or like a Star Wars or something, where like, I might not be aware of what they're doing. And like, like, I mean, which is not to say that I don't like, I mean, I know about like Marvel or or Star Wars, like I do. But I'm not like, super invested in any of the lore in any of this stuff. But like, you'll watch some of those movies and it'll like cut to somebody and you're like, well, that's gotta be somebody, you know, like they wouldn't have done that. if it wasn't relevant. Like that person is going to be the man thing or something and I just don't recognize them. um yeah And so they do that in this movie a couple of times and I just figured yeah that's probably an Abba person, but I didn't yeah know that. The second one's in Waterloo and he's playing the piano. Yeah, same thing. He was in the first one though. Oh, he was? one of the One of them was definitely in the first one, yeah.
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I don't remember that. It was the same kind of thing. I think it's the guy who's playing the piano because it's it's he's playing the piano in the first one too and it does that like knowing cut to him. Oh, of like get it. Look who it is. Get it. Well, I thought it was Paul Williams at first the first with the first guy. I was like, is that Paul Williams. Paul Williams is the Probably the Phantom of the Paradise. He wrote all the songs for the Muppet movies. He's the best. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's like a he's like a little guy. he You'd recognize him. He's been in movies. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Charlie also got excited. ah Another cameo, which isn't I don't know if you call it as much of a cameo as you would just like casting.
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Um, and he got so excited. And he was just like, look who that is. And I don't know if you recognize the Greek passport guy. Yeah, he's from The Mummy, of course I did, yeah. He's from The Mummy! Yeah, yeah. yeah He's from The Mummy. I didn't realize, because Charlie knows him as some, as like a comedian. He had a very good time. Yeah, he had a very good time. Um, no more good soup. Uh, I, I did not realize until Charlie said that. And he was just like, it's because he didn't lead with The Mummy. He led with that famous British comedian, so and so and so and so. And I was like, I don't, I don't know who that is. And he goes, The Mummy. And I was like, ah, no more good soup. Yeah. Yeah.
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So that was, that was pretty exciting. So pretty much the plot of this movie is basically just following Lily James as she fucks her way around Europe.
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Yeah. I mean, like we knew, I mean, we know from the, the, the diary, uh, from the honey, honey scene in the first movie, exactly what happens. And thanks so
Character Analysis and Performances
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We just go through that, basically. We go through that. It works. It's really sweet. um i don't I mean, I guess the but thing is, her mom is a pop superstar. So she has the money to do whatever she wants. And that's what she does. That filled in the holes for me that I was like, how is she able to just like, quit life and go live on an island in Greece? Oh, her mom's a superstar. There we go. Well, and everybody gives her everything because she's one, one of the most beautiful women that anybody's ever seen. And two, so sweet and charming. And the bet like, Lily James is so good in this movie. She really is. I don't, I don't think I
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like recognize, I mean, like I saw this movie years ago, and um I don't really, I didn't really remember, but she's not doing a Meryl Streep thing, which at first, yeah I was like, everybody else kind of is doing the thing of the yeah actor that they're portraying. But she's not really because first, how do you do that? Exactly. if you can It's an impossible task. But she is She's so charming. She's so, she's so emotional. She's great in this movie. she She's really, really good. She takes Donna on Donna's own little ride through, you know, yeah just screwing a bunch of dudes, which she doesn't usually do, but she does. So she
Personal Reflections and Humorous Anecdotes
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says, I do have to give the casting department i means three guys in a summer. It's not, it's not that bad. I mean, come on.
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says Emma and Katie. I'm like, I mean, I've done worse. Yeah.
00:20:12
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I mean, that's why it's called Summer Love, right? Because you can just... Justin Timberlake and Grease both sang about it.
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Oh man, I was in a bridal appointment the other day, and while I was helping the bride and the gowns, you could just hear her entire family just talking about Dustin Timberlake's DUI. Oh god. And we were like, what are you talking about this? Right? What tour? The world tour. This is going to come out in six weeks after that's relevant also, I love. um Amazing. ah So here's my question for you, Katie. And I wrote this while watching the movie. Which boy would you most likely fuck or be your baby's daddy? I know that's two different answers. Those are the others too different. There are three different answers really because who is I mean the the script is written around Pierce Brosnan who I yeah
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It's not Harry and that's not Bill, but it's the other one. What's his goddamn name? Yeah. ah I don't know, Pierce Brosnan. Yeah. The movie is written to for him to be the one that you like the best because he's the one that she ends up with 20 years later. Even though he's engaged. Yeah.
00:21:39
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So, but that's the thing. So he is the most charming, the one who has them. but like they they They save a horse together, Emma. Like Jesus Christ. I know, but it's debatable. I felt a little forced upon, because charismaticly, I was falling in love with Harry. That is not what I thought you were going to say. I want him to be my baby daddy, and I want to fuck young Scarsgard. Well, yeah, I mean, that's the thing. The answer is definitely Bill.
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um i 1000%. Like he's got a... yeah yeah He That's the most materialistic thing either of us could say. It's not that we want to fuck him because he has a boat. But he also saves a human. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and like he he like is helping them find love and there's like a romantic spirit to him and the boat is part of that. It's not the material asset of the boat. It's the character of him like having the boat that is important, I guess, yeah you know, he's an adventurer, right?
00:22:47
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Yeah, and he rocks nautical core. Like, he does rock nautical core. But Emma Harry's gay. He's so gay. I know, but he's so sweet. And he's so wonderful. And just not like bumbling, stupid way, you know, just like, so charming. If you met a British guy in Paris, who's like, I'm a virgin, will you fuck me? You would you would do that. If you give someone enough French wine, they'll do anything.
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What?
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Oh, you. You. You're talking about you. You're
Character Preferences and Romantic Choices
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not talking about some British virgin drunk. No.
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Thank God! Me! I'm talking about, like, me and the royal we, the royal, like... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like... Let me rephrase that. If you give me enough French wine, then I'll do anything. There it is, yeah. Yeah, I mean, honestly, like, I get so makey-outy on red wine. It's... I don't know what it is. Right, right. There's a reason why Chapel Rhone sings red wine supernova. That's true. And that song is obviously about me. Yeah, 1,000%. No. yeah on But I think it's I think the reason why I'm so charmed by Harry is I literally I stopped what he has the best musical number. And so I yeah really stopped caring after Waterloo. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah whatever, but like Waterloo.
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Look at how cute he is in Waterloo. The Waterloo thing is great. like it yeah The dancing, the the the whole like French aesthetic thing, that yeah which is great because the the song is like the song is about you wore me down and i I didn't want to love you, but I lost this war and you won so I guess I'll love you now. which taken as out of context as a song is pretty problematic but in the context of this specific story like it works it works it works because he's like i'm a gay british virgin and i want you to fuck with me
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But I mean, it's, I guess it is true. I mean, you did marry, not a gay, obviously, but you did marry yeah a, um, uh, semi-uptight, uh, mumbly British man, so. Maybe it's just that, like, if I were to cast Charlie as any of these three men, right he would most likely be Harry. Yes. And that's why I'm so attracted to Harry. It's because I've seen my husband in Harry. Yeah. Oh, that's very sweet. Yes, but also Charlie is nice to Charles segment. I know very rare. Very, very rare. And then I asked Charlie that exact same question and he said none of them. Like he can't just imagine a world. Like, no.
00:26:01
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Is this like, I don't want to think about sleeping with a boy thing or like, I just don't like anything? Oh, okay. Just just he doesn't like any of them. Oh, well, that's that's crazy. They're all very charming and sweet. Yeah, yeah. He was just like, they all grow up to be very sweet, like adult men too. They do. They very much do. ah them are And the best Harry is so cute with his little dogs. And yeah and his no man and his no man like it's so funny in the in the in the dance number like curtain call thing they do he and his like younger self he looks so sad i know you notice that like perry needs a boyfriend come on why can't we showward is that what mama mia 3 is gonna be here we go again again
Emotional Scenes and Their Impact
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i hope so i hope it's about
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Yeah, Mamma Mia, My My, How Could I Resist You? Yeah. Oh, that's a good title. Yeah. Yeah. Has got to be um about ah Harry finding love, right? Exactly. Exactly. We need that. And we need to find more Ava songs. for that. Because or just maybe just using other ones again, just Yeah, let's just do because like he can sing. but Oh my god, we're writing this. We're writing this movie. Um, because Harry can sing like when he finally like comes out and comes into himself, he can sing Dancing Queen because he is a dancing queen.
00:27:36
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I mean, you gotta be dancing queen in all three movies at least, yeah. Obviously, obviously. The Dancing Queen number also, like, absolutely full body chills, tears to my eyes. Like, yeah it's so fucking beautiful, with the boats coming, and like her dads are getting there. Oh, like that is the one that is definitely the best future scene in the movie. It's it's the only thing that I like where I say like you could just have the movie be the prequel and it would be way better. That is the ah that that's the most most emotionally cathartic thing that happens. Um, even more than the Meryl Streep showing up and singing the song at the end. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think that the first time I watched it, I think I watched it on my period and I cried at all of those moments.
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oh
00:28:23
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I absolutely, the baby thing I absolutely sobbed through. Like Caitlin was watching it in the morning. I was watching it yesterday morning and Caitlin was mocking me mercilessly. Caitlin does not like this movie also. Caitlin's like the second one sucks. Yeah, Charlie wasn't a big fan. But you know, it's it's hard to top the first one. Yeah, I was like, I was, thought I was talking to her and that as it was happening and I just started crying and she's like, what are, this is, this song is, she's like, this song isn't even good. I'm like, it's about a baby. It's about being a mother and your mother watching over you being a mother and then you're all mothering and it's all mother. And Caitlin does not care about any of that at all. But mother.
00:29:12
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Also, can we talk about how at the Hotel Belladonna, there is just a giant picture of Meryl Streep just right in the lobby? Like, but it's of it's obviously a still from the first movie. I don't remember there being a camera in that moment before Dancing Queen. Do you? It was to say, there was a lot of chorus members. Any of them could have had a a disposable 1999 era Kodak. That just du was able to get blown up into this giant poster size. Film cameras, Emma. we that's that's we had better it's better it's um And honestly, it's better technology in a lot of ways. Oh, wow. There we go.
Generational Wealth and Plot Dynamics
00:29:57
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ah I'm so good at you challenging something in a movie and me coming up with...
00:30:05
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We do this a lot on this podcast. I'm like, oh, it's because of this and this and this. And I kind have no confidence in that answer. And don't even believe that to be true or even necessarily like the movie that much or it needs defending. I just have to I like to come up with responses. Hey, you know, I appreciate that because I am a middle child and I will always concede. And I'm the youngest child and I need to getting what I want. Yeah. um At one point in the movie, ah towards the end when Donna walks into the hotel, or I guess towards the middle, she walks into the hotel and she says this and then she sings that whole song about how ah she sings I Have a Dream. Her dream is to own the hotel. Another surprise from the first movie.
00:30:55
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Exactly. And she wants, she, this is her dream. And um at this moment in the movie, Charlie said, she just walked into a hotel and then she gets to own it. Fucking boomers.
00:31:10
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, but like, it's abandoned. She's squatting in this place through most of the movies. That's what I said at one point. She's squatting in this place. Who's the owner? Like, how does she? It's the lady. It's the woman. The the mother of the, the guy who at the bar. and he And she gives it to her, which like, okay, fair enough. 1970s real estate. Great. Yeah. of Must be nice. What she's like because my son is never going to impregnate anyone, so ah you can be my daughter. Yeah, yeah. And then she takes care of her when she's pregnant. She's there when she gives birth. It's very sweet. Yeah, she she's there during her home birth. mother's not even there. She doesn't tell yeah anyone.
00:32:00
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She doesn't even tell Rosie and Tanya. Okay, so let's get to Rosie and Tanya because- Yeah, Rosie and Tanya- If you had told me, if you had told me that that that that girl was, A, Christine Baranski's daughter, or B, they had digitally put Christine Baranski's face on that girl, I would have believed you. She looks so much like Christine Baranski. So much. She is, um what's the actor's name? She was in the original cast of Heathers. She was yeah's Heather Chandler. Everybody, Gwen, she's Ed Gwen's granddaughter, great granddaughter or something. Really? Yeah. I thought she was just a musical theater actor, I guess, nepotism. Yeah, she's, um I mean, she's great, but the, yeah, Ed Gwen, the famous, like it or not Ed Gwen, Ed Gwen,
00:32:47
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Win? I'm getting that right. He's the guy, I can't do the voice. He has that. So he's like, oh, he didn't like cartoon voices. And he was like, really famous comedian and like on vaudeville. And then he was in a bunch of movies. You know, if you saw him. Yeah, I'm sure I'd know him if I saw him. Where is young? Edwin is his name. Yeah. Edwin. Yeah. W. Y. N. N. Oh, yeah. um He's the Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland. That's the that's the he has a lot of he did a lot of cartoon voices. Okay, that kind of like, whoa, but yeah,
00:33:24
Speaker
um they look identical. Yeah, I think he's her her grandfather, her great grandfather. Yeah. um Yeah, she looks exactly like her. yeah And it's also like, there's the theory, like the three girls theory is that um these three women have the same haircut from when they were 20 to when they were 70 years old. I'm just like, Rosie would not. Rosie would not. No. No, that is an old woman haircut.
Character Development and Potential Sequel Ideas
00:33:49
Speaker
And exactly. And they make poor young Rosie look old. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Boy, oh boy, was that just um and there's there's a there's a whole the raising does not get poor Rosie in a lot of ways. and Yeah, movie because it's also like she sees Bill and she's like, I'm in love with him.
00:34:10
Speaker
And I want to take care of him when she's old, but he likes Donna like girl like and so the there's the implication that she's been into him the entire time and then they got together in in Mamma Mia and then they broke and then he left her and then they get together again in this movie like because in the first movie she's like she had never had time for a man or anything and it's not like and they don't act like they know each other and in Yeah, and and in the second exactly but apparently they've known each other for all this time But like okay, here's my question about bill. So at the very first scene that we seen bill whenever Sophie's like yeah, I got to get it in contact with my dad's and then we get like little snippets because obviously Pierce Brosnan lives on Calicari now and um And then we see a little funny snippet of Harry in a business meeting in Tokyo and he's falling asleep
00:35:04
Speaker
And um then we see a snippet of Bill who's accepting an award for um a book or something that he did for adventuring. Well, I believe that they they jokingly say he's accepting an award for being the world's greatest Swede.
00:35:24
Speaker
But apparently his whole family is there. And from the looks of the table, it looks like that he is married with children. Yeah, four of them. So, da fuck? Some of them are older than 10 years old. Yeah. So. And then, and then, and then, and then Stellan Skarsgard in a fat suit and like a big latex mask starts accepting the award and you're supposed to be like, what happened to Bill? And then it cuts to him in a car and he's driving to Greece or the airport, I guess. And the woman who we thought was his wife is like, you can't just have your twin brother do all of this stuff for you. But he's had a twin brother this whole time? Yeah.
00:36:14
Speaker
And also, so are those kids his twin brother's kids? birthday And is he enough of a celebrity? And is that his wife? Is that his sister-in-law? Is that his brother's wife? is Is he a famous enough Swede to get this award, but also nobody knows enough about him to know that he doesn't have a wife and four kids? Right? Or if he did have a wife and four kids, was he cheating on them whenever he hooked up with Rosie the first time? Yeah, exactly. Like, I need to know the answer. And now, and the second time. Right? These are all answers that we will answer. These are all questions we will answer in our script. Mamma Mia 3. My, my, I cannot resist you.
00:36:59
Speaker
Yes, yes. Where we redeem Harry, we get him to fall in love, we redeem Rosie by giving her a hot girl makeover,
00:37:09
Speaker
and we explain what the fuck is going on with him. Tanya just fucks a bunch of rando's as usual. As
Nostalgic Elements and Musical Transitions
00:37:14
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usual, that's all her character does, so it's great. I love it. When she sees Fernando for the first time, she says, be still my beating vagina, which...
00:37:28
Speaker
Okay and then so whenever we see Fernando for the first time I honestly I don't know about you but for a hot minute I thought it was the most interesting man in the world and I was like this is the Dos Equis guy. Oh the Dos Equis guy yeah that's Andy Garcia. Yeah it's Andy Garcia and I was like it's Andy Garcia the most interesting man in the world because he's giving out the most interesting man in the world. I mean he's got the beard now and everything yeah yeah yeah. Yeah, he's got the beard. He's got the like charisma. He's got the cool swagger. So as the kids. Yeah. Sorry, the kids call it Riz. Um, but it's not my kids i mean and people who are like five years younger than us and me I have said Riz unironically. I'm sorry. I think you've even said as the kids say Riz more than once on this podcast. It's possible. Yeah, but it's me. I'm kids.
00:38:20
Speaker
I'm the kids. Yeah. Cause one of us is crying. That sounds a little stuck in my head for the rest of the day. I remember the 18's music video of that. It's like they were doing the like back to forth. Like, you know how Abba did, but it was the 18's. Oh, right. Yeah. One of my favorite bits in the entire movie is during Waterloo, where they frame them up. ah Their faces are, they're both do this. Oh, yeah!
00:38:52
Speaker
Also, how charming and sweet is the curtain call? That doesn't translate to audio, but you'll have to guess. That'll be the TikTok flip. The curtain call performance in this movie, I think, is probably my favorite. And also, it was Charlie's favorite scene in this entire movie. Yeah, it's the best scene in the movie. It's real sweet. We've both talked about how much we love like the curtain call scene in comedy movies in general and musicals yeah especially. like They sing Super Trooper and everybody is involved and they're all dancing with each other out of the time period and everything. like They're all dancing with the younger versions of themselves. It's very theatrical, very much like stage lights. like Everything looks like they're on a stage. It's very much like, remember this was a musical. It's just like beginning with the first one. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:44
Speaker
Yeah, but like even more so, because that one, they're just on a sound stage. This one, it like looks like they're on like a set. Yes, yes, it's true. Yeah, yeah they're on the they're on the set of the the hotel with the balcony and everything. Yeah, exactly. And just like having a great time. Having a great time. It did not seem like they were having as great of a time as they were in the first one making this movie. Oh, really? Are you saying that is as a fun fact, or are you just saying it didn't seem like that? It just didn't seem like that. It was just an observation that I made. But let's do... Well they're not in Greece this time actually. I noticed that they shot this in Croatia, which Croatia is obviously very beautiful as well, but it is not Greece. So
Visual Appeal and Costume Analysis
00:40:29
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they didn't have all the Greek fun. Goodness. Let's see, let's do an Emma Fun Fact Roulette.
00:40:38
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Okay. Emma's Fun Facts. Emma's Fun Facts. Uh, the welcome banner that was put up for the party had the same font as the title for my Big Fat Greek Wedding, which was also produced by Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson.
00:40:59
Speaker
I know I've said this before, but I think that's the least fun fact you've ever shared on this podcast.
00:41:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's like the, it's like the, it's like the Greek E font yeah and anyway with, with, um, on word, Roman letters. Yes.
00:41:20
Speaker
She said, yeah, they said, I wish she was here. I wish she was here too. That's the big thing in this movie. Like, it's just like she did that flanence Florence Foster Jenkins movie and she didn't do this really. Yeah, yeah. Well, one of them got her an Oscar nomination, but which one was more fun to do? Yeah, but she didn't deserve it. Did she get an Oscar nomination for Mamma Mia? No, for Florence Mamma... No, I mean for the first Mamma Mia. Oh, no. No, she should have. Should have. I haven't seen... Damn you, Academy! Neither has anybody. Nobody's seen that movie. Yeah, and it's apparently... She won an Oscar for The Iron Lady. That movie's awful.
00:42:02
Speaker
I never saw the eye on my name. um Um, it's a terrible movie about a terrible person. I've seen The Crown. I know.
00:42:13
Speaker
Who placed Margaret Thatcher on The Crown? Jillian Anderson. Really? Yeah, she does a great job. I'm sure she does. She does a great fucking job. Yeah, do a great job. Be still my beating vagina. ah
00:42:33
Speaker
Weird tone, exclamation point. That's the biggest thing. It's a weird tone. The whole movie is a weird tone because it is the flashbacks are like, it's showing like this adventuresome like woman full of promise who's beautiful. like She's so gorgeous in this movie. She's so gorgeous. Absolutely stunning. Yeah. It's very distracting. I said Lily James's hair. and Lily James's hair is the third character. Lily James's hair is my white sweater. See, because I think my white sweater is the orange skirt from name of the game. Oh, nice. Like where she's like picking oranges and stuff. Yeah. And then when she finds out that that here's Brosnan character has a fiance.
00:43:29
Speaker
she's they're writing this line between like so the the 70s but also like trendy and popular for 2018 like the all of their costumes from the 70s thing is very like right in that pocket where it's like I guess they could have worn this in the 70s but it doesn't make these but you can go buy it at free people right now Exactly. Yeah, it's like the color scheme of the 70s, but the fit and I mean, except for like the the jean, like the Abba jeans they're wearing and the performance number and stuff. And that's the
Musical Conventions and Storytelling
00:44:04
Speaker
ugliest costume. Yes, it is. But they have that in the first one, too. I mean, that's ah that's a callback. It's the pants with the ruffles and then they're wearing them in the in the curtain. costume Oh, yeah, that too. They have a weird jumpsuits and I kissed a teacher.
00:44:21
Speaker
Yes, yes, which is again very ABBA. Oh, here's my question. Okay, so are we led to believe from the lore of Mamma Mia and Mamma Mia 2, here we go again, that all of these songs by ABBA, in this fictive universe, is this Donna and the Dynamos? Donna and the diamond ah Dynamos, are they singing these songs original or are they a cover band? Like what is are they original? I don't believe so. I mean, because there's like, like, like singing in the rain, for example, the idea in that musical is that these are songs that everyone knows. And they're singing them because they're well known songs, it would be like if you or I sang like, red wine supernova, for example.
00:45:04
Speaker
like Like it's just a song that everyone knows and you're singing it because it's that's that's what's moving you in the moment. Or is it a musical where you're singing a song, that is but it's not it's not realistically a song in the world, it's just an emotional escapade that you're having. And I think that Waterloo does this explicitly where they do, it's almost like Chicago, where it's it's implied that that was in their heads because it could kind of smash cuts back to them at the table in the restaurant looking at each other. Yeah. And because they're big, I mean, they're the big chorus numbers and everything, like there's, they I think that it's more, um it's easier to to picture that, even though of course they have that in singing in the rain as well. Yeah.
00:45:50
Speaker
Obviously, you know, we don't have to drill into this because musicals are not realism. And this is a thing that people get hung up on a lot with musicals. It's like they're silly that they're singing to each other. It's like they're on a stage without a fourth wall on the house they're in. What do you mean? Like you don't have to take all of this fiction. I'm not saying this to you. I'm saying this to like this imaginary person. You don't have to take this literally. um But yeah, there are there are conventions and musicals that imply that. I think that some songs are, and some songs aren't.
00:46:25
Speaker
okay or i was gonna say i just get hung up on the idea of that you have because like the idea in musicals of like yes singing your emotions that like totally makes sense it's when you put a fictive band in a musical singing songs that my question my brains my wheels start turning of like in this universe are these their songs or are they a cover band are they just covering these songs Or is it like we discussed? Is it just an emotion? Well, actually, it can't be because if they're a band and they're performing, they're performing. So like, well, some are performances, some are diegetic performances, and some are like emotional musical numbers in the in both of these musicals. Yeah. So it's hard to say. But it's, it's weird because like, so they're a band in Oxford, when they're like 19 and 20 years old. Yep.
00:47:16
Speaker
And then they basically don't see each other for 20 years. I mean, it's implied that they had seen each other over the court. Like it wasn't the first time she'd seen them since they were kids in Mamma Mia. Yeah. I'm just like, is it just like, ah like a sisterhood sorority thing that like, they're just like so close and that's why Donna and the Dynamos has become like sort of legend with Sophie? Or is it that they are super popular at one point, and everybody knows Donna and the Dynamos? I don't think that they were popular. I don't think that they were like a popular, like I think they did some gigs, obviously, yeah but I don't, they there are posters of them, but I don't think that they were like, I don't think they were big, like I don't think. Yeah, yeah, right. like it's Like retiring her music career, because also they're in school, like, how do you do that? Yeah, they're on a world tour or something. That's
Cover Bands and Musical Influence
00:48:07
Speaker
true. They're just they're in Oxford. And everyone just seems to know them.
00:48:11
Speaker
Yeah, so it's maybe maybe there are cover songs. like because I mean, Super Trooper is explicitly Adana the Dynamo's performance. So we could be led to believe that Super Trooper is a song that they wrote, but I don't know. Because then they do Mamma Mia also. Well, now you got me wrapped around the axel.
00:48:30
Speaker
It doesn't matter. It's very much the chicken and the egg. Like what are they doing covers or are these songs original? I'm just very curious. I don't think it adds or detracts anything. But I don't believe if if ABBA is a real band in this universe that they're singing cover songs of then that does detract because that's that's weird. Why do they only sing Abba songs? Because they're an Abba cover band. Yeah, but that's weird. The 18's are weird. The 18's were great. And the 18's just sing Abba songs? Didn't they? No, the 18's... Hold on, I have to... What is the 18's...
00:49:17
Speaker
um the 18s sang uh under the sea they sang can't help falling in love and lilo and stitch these are all cover songs though yeah but they're not all abba oh man anyway they're most they're mostly abba yeah that is weird though it's weird like there's no other thing like cover bands There's no other famous cover band rather than the Ateens. And famous is... Yeah. That's the truth. I know. like how many Well, yeah, and I know them too, but who who knows the Ateens? What are the Ateens doing today? Hopefully they're listening to this podcast.
00:50:03
Speaker
Let's do a poll on our Instagram of have you heard of the 18th or not? And we'll get our 60 followers on Instagram to weigh in. 60,000 followers. That's what I meant when I said 60.
00:50:20
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man Any other thoughts, feelings and opinions? i a It's implied that Bill has five kids.
Further Character Complexity
00:50:29
Speaker
It's weird cause you know he's gay. It's so weird cause you know he's gay. Like, yeah I guess it would be weirder if they like him, like showed him, like being gay. Like discovering the show himself? Like if they showed some hot boy and him like Sharon knowing glance or something in the past, that would be worse. That'd be weirder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. Okay. So I mean, Fernando and Cher, like they obviously had to,
00:50:55
Speaker
The first note on the whiteboard when they were writing the script was somebody named Fernando. They just got a- We gotta have a guy named Fernando. It's the only song that's not in the first movie. We gotta name somebody Fernando.
00:51:10
Speaker
ah Charlie lost his mind when Fernando started and happening. He goes, Yes! He likes that one. He loves Abba. Yeah, he loves Abba. Good for him. British people love Abba. I mean, it' so it's a British musical. like Yeah, but ABBA is not British. It's Swedish. Well, yeah, but I mean, it's it's very European. Like, I mean, even a like songs are like they have songs in Spanish, they have they have like a lot of like pan European theming. But like ABBA is not big in France. Are they not? I don't know. Not as big as in England. I fucking love ABBA.
00:51:52
Speaker
All right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, well, they sang mostly in English. Did Dabba have Swedish songs? I mean, they must have, they're Swedish. Yeah.
Memorable Quotes and Costume Incongruities
00:52:05
Speaker
I bet you can get a copy of it. A lot of Swedish artists write stuff in English, yeah. um If you're French, I know we have French listeners. If you're French. Yes. And, you know, deep nu si v a may aba
00:52:23
Speaker
Merci beaucoup. Yeah. um I wrote and another quote, another k Christine Baranski killer line. she When she meets um ah whatever Pierce Brosnan's character is, I just wanted to tell you that I visually enjoy you. Yes.
00:52:43
Speaker
And that's, I'm gonna start hitting on people that way. Yeah. I just want to tell you that I visually enjoy you. I mean, I think that's a great way to hit on people because you're not saying you're not saying like, I want you're not coming in really hot. It's more of a I just want to let you know you're aesthetically pleasing to my eye. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that was one thing that super bugged me throughout this entire movie since watching the first one again, is in the first one, they do that sort of like, when she sees all three guys at the beginning of Mamma Mia, and they do this sort of like weird flashback, but it's not a flashback, they just like do the Scooby Doo cut with um all three guys in like 70s garb to be like, this is what they look like in it as youngsters, but it's still just Pierce Brosden and Colin Firth and um
00:53:35
Speaker
What's his name? Scarsgard. And ah all three of those characters, the the like costumes, the closest you get is with Harry and his leather jacket. That is the closest you get. He's wearing like a band t-shirt and a leather jacket, but he doesn't act like a punk or anything. Like he's, yeah there's none of that characterization. Like does he even, like, cause he says he was in a band, right? In the first- Yeah. Cause Harry, Harry Headbanger. And then Pierce Brosnan has like that long like Ringo star mustache. That's never brought up. Yeah. That's true. I only forgot about the mustache. Yeah. Yeah. And then Bill Skarsgard, or I don't want to say Bill Skarsgard, Bill the Skarsgard.
00:54:25
Speaker
Stellan. Stellan Skarsgard. Um, also his costume. Yeah, Bill's dad. Um, but also playing Bill and this is very confusing. Um, his character is also looks nothing like from the first movie. So I was very like hung up on that. And I was like, did anybody who was any part of this sequel watch any of the first one because it feels like no.
Musicals as Entertainment vs. Plot Cohesion
00:54:50
Speaker
It's one of those things where it's like, thank God, because I mean, this thing is like, if this was like, if this was a Marvel movie or a Star Wars movie, like there'd be so much like fan backlash to that kind of thing. And the answer is, you shouldn't and don't care about it. Yeah, yeah. We're that backlash. Why? We're that backlash. We're that backlash. I don't care. That's the thing. I singularly. Okay, all right.
00:55:20
Speaker
and I'm sure you can go on our slash Mamma Mia movie and discuss it with some people. Yes. I will go to the internet. Yes, yes. That's that's where we do that kind of discourse. But the thing is like, yeah, it's it doesn't matter. Like it's just a silly musical. Like none of this stuff. It's It's just silliness. um it There's no cohesive thread throughout. it's Yeah, it's like like Christine Baranski going in that outfit, going up all of those stairs to that church for the baby's christening, I guess, is what they're doing. In the heels. No way. No way. Absolutely not. unless you have donkey rabbi Up a mountain. She's like, and she lives, she goes, I can't believe I made it up all those stairs.
00:56:11
Speaker
Neither can I! No, no one can. At least we carried him in your hands, God. Right? Goodness gracious. It's just like in the first one when Meryl Streep literally runs up that hill in like 20 seconds. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely insane. Yeah, when they play the songs from the first one, it really works. yeah That's the thing. They're good ones. They blew their wad on the first one. They
Comparisons to Other Musical Sequels
00:56:42
Speaker
didn't expect there to be a sequel. There's very rarely sequels to theatrical musicals. I mean, theatrical in terms of stage musicals. um
00:56:52
Speaker
Love, Love Never Dies. the only Love Never Dies. Have you seen Love Never Dies? I actually have not, but I know several songs um from Love Never Dies, because I remember when it came out. My friend, um Sarah, loves Love Never Dies. Really? I've said it in Coney Island, I believe. Yep. Yeah. It is the sequel to Phantom of the Opera. and Right. In case y'all don't know, Love Never Dies yeah is the ill-advised 2010 sequel to Phantom of the Opera.
00:57:31
Speaker
Yep. ah And yeah, it ah did not do great. No, no, it didn't. I think it I think it did better in England than in America. But I don't think it like, it barely opened in America, right? Yeah, it tanked in America. It tanked on the West End. I think it did really great in Australia, is what I remember. Ah, there it is. Yeah, okay. For some reason, it just, I think maybe they revamped the script. They revamped something like it did not work when they opened it on Broadway or the West End. But um, but yeah, Sydney was where it was at. So good for you, Andrew Lloyd Webber. I guess.
00:58:10
Speaker
Um, yeah, it was fun. I was like, it won me over by the end. Um, yeah. Because I was pretty resilient. Yeah, some of that stuff. Like, I guess because it keeps cutting to the, to the future. And it's just sad. It's just sad. Why? Why did we have to make one of the most joyous movies about death? Like, does Sophie need to get checked for cancer? I don't
Speculative Plot Changes with Meryl Streep
00:58:32
Speaker
know why. But I'm assuming that it's breast cancer. Is it breast cancer? Is it cancer? We assumed it was breast cancer. I assumed she fell off a cliff. Um, so the two, the two highest causes of death in 50 year old women, breast cancer and falling off a cliff. And falling off a cliff in Greece. I mean, how sad would that be? It would be way more traumatic if she fell off a cliff. The way that they're acting, it feels like she was like she was sick. It doesn't, it and never says.
00:59:08
Speaker
Maybe she just very slowly fell off a cliff. Maybe she fell down the fucking stairs at the church on the island. After Sophie's wedding. Yeah. Sorry, her wedding. Right, her wedding. Yeah, well, no, they said she died last year. So at least she and Pierce Brosnan got like nine years together or so. Yeah, but like, at what cost? Meryl Streep's caused her life. Her life. But what would the plot have been had Meryl Streep said yes? Like what what would the Donna plot be? Like how happy she is? Nobody wants her to movie about it. They would come up with something. They would be fine. they Like that's screenwriting. you do You do something. It would be better. It would definitely be better if Meryl Streep was in the whole movie.
00:59:57
Speaker
I don't know. I think that it's bad. I can tell you that it could have been antics opening the hotel. It could have been musical comedy nonsense. Like, you know, with with with waiters disguised as, ah you know, spies disguised as waiters from a a rival hotel that's that that's like the the big evil corporate Hilton wants to open on the island and is trying to buy her out. And they've got spies there to to to sabotage the big opening night and there there's, there's like running in and out of doors, it would be much better. I promise.
Podcast Conclusion and Preview
01:00:33
Speaker
You know, who does sabotage the opening night weather?
01:00:37
Speaker
weather. Yeah. Oh, one other thing I do want to say the editing in this movie is super fun and like really obvious and catchy. But like, yeah, the constant like match cuts going from the past to the future from the future to the past is really cute. Like it's it's hard not to love that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty adorable. Amazing. Well, that was Mamma Mia too. Here we go again. Yeah. ah And our next movie is going to be The Lost City, which I will never forgive for changing the title from The Lost City of D, which is what it should have been called. It would have been so much better. I'm very excited to rewatch this movie. um it's I've watched it since it came out. Yeah. And it's a Sandy Bullock. Who doesn't love Sandy? Sandy.
01:01:28
Speaker
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