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Episode 32: The One About The MCU | Boys 2 Men
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In Todays Episode, the boys talk about the MCU and the new Spiderman movie.(no spoilers cause the movie literally just came out so calm down everyone)
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Transcript
Inflatable Pool Noodles & Conflict Resolution
00:00:00
Speaker
Like, you know the like inflatable pool noodles and stuff? I like the pool noodle. Like those inflatable noodles used in the pool? I like those inflatable pool noodles. What kind of pool noodles inflate? Aren't pool noodles just like foam?
00:00:37
Speaker
I think we should start off the episode with just a single hard to answer question to kind of get the ball rolling. Yeah, we can just start off with it. All right, fine. Do you guys think you're good at conflict resolution? Yes, I am pretty good at conflict resolution. And here's why. I always listen to both sides, and I don't really care that often. So if it's something that I'm really, really close to, like if it's conflict with my girlfriend,
00:01:07
Speaker
Um, you know, obviously I step up, but usually it's like, I don't really care enough to, you know, really like make them upset. You know, like really, there's no reason to stand my ground. If
Spider-Man Movie Speculations
00:01:24
Speaker
I know that the person.
00:01:26
Speaker
doesn't really deserve my time. Yeah, I'm like the exact opposite. I get way too, you know, like involved and I get attached and I pick a side and then I fight until someone dies. I don't know, conflict resolution's hard though. Just don't get into conflict. Don't be a stupid, stupid, stupid. When you mean like conflict resolution, do you mean like a conflict urine or two people are having a conflict? A conflict urine?
00:01:54
Speaker
Did you say conflict urine? One which you are in. Oh, you're a knee slapper. I've noticed recently, especially since I'm coaching and stuff, I'm like, ever since COVID, I've developed this tendency to like blur my words together. It's very strange. You mean slur? Yeah, slur. Same thing. Yeah. Like it happens sometimes, but sometimes it doesn't.
00:02:20
Speaker
No, the reason the reason I'm asking this is like for um Like we have like labs for for my for my science classes And apparently we got to do like conflict resolution classes so that if something doesn't work out Like you're not making a big scene and like hitting and punching and biting people and like I don't know I feel like it's a bit too much like I feel like everyone should be able to resolve some sort of conflict at least naturally as human beings but
00:02:48
Speaker
Then I started to think about it, and I'm like, yeah, I'm really bad at this, I would actually suck. Like, I would just get too involved. Yeah, I don't know. That's what I thought. But yeah, no, I'm talking about it from the sense of like, you're just a bicep, like you're walking by, people are fighting, you're like, hey, hey, calm down, let's talk about this, that type of thing. I kind of had to develop that because of captaincy, like in soccer. If I'm not involved in it, I will usually have a very cool head about conflicts like that. Mm hmm.
00:03:18
Speaker
If I'm involved in it, not so much. The same as I usually probably get invested way too much or not enough. So it's one of the two if I'm involved in it. But yeah, I agree with Ayush. I think it's important to have problem solving skills and conflict solving skills in life, you know, in business and whatnot or whatever field you may go into. There's probably going to be some sort of disagreement.
00:03:45
Speaker
at times and
Opinions on Spider-Man Trailer
00:03:46
Speaker
it's best to know how to fix that.
00:03:56
Speaker
Because we talked about movies in the past. And I feel like this time she talked about because the new Spider-Man movies coming out on Friday. Oh, boy. And I'm calling you right now. It's going to break the Internet. It's either going to break the Internet in a good way or in a bad way, because, you know, people are getting way too hyped up for this. And it's not going to work out in the way that I feel like if they don't have a decent amount of time with Toby and Andrew, the audiences are just going to be like, Oh, you think Toby and Andrew are going to be there? I think they're going to be there.
00:04:26
Speaker
Oh, really? Oh, wow. All right. Yeah, yeah. I just feel like it's a rumor that the Internet made up and it sounded really good. That's what at least I think. But have you guys seen the trailer? One of them. I try to not watch trailers for movies I actually want to watch. Yeah, yeah, I feel that. Especially Marvel movies, they tend to put a lot of stuff in trailers and I'm not a huge fan.
00:04:53
Speaker
And I'm like, I'm going to see the movie anyway, so I'm not going to watch the trailer. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it. I saw. Yeah, I saw one trailer and that's because I was was watching
Impact of New Spider-Man Film & Black Panther Analysis
00:05:04
Speaker
like something on YouTube and it just popped up. I'm like, OK, I'll just watch it because I know YouTube lately has just gotten so stupid with her ads. Like there's you can't skip half the ads you watch.
00:05:18
Speaker
That's facts. So I just gotten like numb to it. I'll be on my phone whenever ad comes up. So I was just watching YouTube and then this ad came up for the new Spider-Man movie and I watched it. And it looked pretty cool. It had all the like the old villains, like Doc Ock and I think, was it Electro? Electro, the lizard. There wasn't steam, just lightning. And people were like, bro, it's Electro, there's lightning. Yeah, yeah.
00:05:47
Speaker
And yeah, yeah. He's in it. No, you've seen, you see Electra. You've seen him. It's Jamie Foxx. Oh yeah. Yeah. The new, the new trailer. I didn't know which trailer Connor saw. Just the first one. The one that only shows light. Is it really spoiled? Maybe it didn't come out yet. Well, I mean, yeah. Spoiler alert. Even if it hasn't come out, you're still. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
00:06:18
Speaker
And I think the fact that they're showing all that stuff to you, I don't know. I just feel like it's... Yeah, it's a bit sus. Yeah, that's a way of saying it. I was gonna say suspicious, but yeah, you want to say sus. It's still a word. You know, my boy. Sus is not a word, Jacob. That's the point I'm trying to make.
00:06:42
Speaker
Don't worry about it. I love pranking Jacob with us Among Us memes. Among Us. We kind of thought Jacob like Among Us, the in-birthday party, and he acts like a 10-year-old child. I put that on my Instagram story, you remember? Oh yeah, yeah.
00:07:02
Speaker
I was like, please don't throw me an Among Us birthday party. I really wouldn't want an Among Us birthday party. You know, please, please don't throw me an Among Us birthday party on the 2nd of September when I turned 20, please. If you don't get me blow up lightsabers
Black Panther & Killmonger Character Debate
00:07:17
Speaker
for my Star Wars, 2006 themed birthday party. Blow up lightsabers? Yeah, dude, like pretty sure in 2006, I had a birthday. He's like a dynamite. Crazy, right? But there was no blow up lightsabers.
00:07:33
Speaker
But there were below lightsabers, like Vader lightsabers that we all got. And we, they were glow in the dark too. There was a light in them and it was insane. Oh, all right. All right. They were like, like, you know, the like inflatable pool noodles and stuff like inflatable pool stuff. It was like that, but just a lightsaber. Oh, that's cool. I liked the pool noodle and lights up.
00:08:01
Speaker
I like those inflatable poodles. Like those inflatable noodles? I'm sorry. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. What kind of poodles inflate? Aren't poodles just like foam? Stop asking questions. Thank you. It's just a giant like flesh. So about those Marvel movies.
00:08:21
Speaker
Yeah, there's a Marvel movie coming out? What's Marvel? That's actually a really good question, though. It's pretty simple on surface level, but either everyone's going to answer Captain America 2, Winter Soldier, or Iron Man 1. Or everyone's going to be like, Endgame, Infinity War. OK, no, no. Favorite movie that wasn't any of the Avengers? Yeah, let's cut the Avengers out. We'll talk about Avengers separately.
00:08:48
Speaker
Well, what was the question? Favorite Marvel movie? Yeah, aside from Avengers. And this is in the MCU, right? Yeah, MCU. We'll talk about X-Men and Fantastic Four and Raimi. That's a separate category. And other ones. We'll talk about those later. I'm going to have to go with probably Iron Man 1 or Black Panther. And what? Interesting choice. All right. OK.
00:09:18
Speaker
Yeah, so Iron Man 1, very nostalgic. It was my favorite movie as a child. My little brother and I, especially my little brother, when I tell you we had lots, lots of Iron Man toys as kids and we would walk around and just like stick our hands out and just go and like pretend to shoot things like we had the Iron Man thing, you know?
00:09:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So more nostalgia factor for Iron Man 1. Also, it's just a really good movie. Black Panther, more of a recent film. I really like the world building and just the characters in general. I'm a big fan of... Don't say it, don't say it, don't say it. No, no, come on guys. What do you mean, come on guys? I'm a big fan of just like the fight scenes. Oh, okay.
00:10:10
Speaker
Really, the fight scenes? I liked the fight scenes, yeah. The almost non-existent ones? In Black Panther? There were a couple. There was the one at the end, and then there was the car chase. Well, that is the car chase, basically. I'm thinking particularly about the challenges for the throne.
00:10:32
Speaker
Oh, right. I really liked those two. Yeah, that was good. I think it's the water. The water is what makes it cool. I agree. Yeah, you're right. And like the set, like it's on that cliff. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like the world building, like they had an explanation for everything. Right. You know, they made a believable technological city in the middle of the jungle.
00:10:56
Speaker
Hidden by a mountain. Or like an invisible force. And then like the story building in terms of like why they were fighting and stuff like that. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I like that a lot. Black Panther had a pretty good story. Fight scene, fight for me was like eh. Like the end fight with T'Challa and...
00:11:15
Speaker
The chase scene. Killmonger. The last fight, in my opinion, was just nah.
Marvel Character Arcs: Black Panther & Killmonger
00:11:24
Speaker
It felt so janky. The one thing I wish they didn't know, which I'm okay with now due to the passing of Chadwick Boseman, is that they killed off Killmonger way too quickly. I don't think he should have died after the first movie, personally.
00:11:51
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Yeah, I guess.
00:12:01
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, it's a traditional like Marvel movie. Like bad guy fights. I feel like if there was more story building with him, just like, you know, like the first fight is with him. And then you have like, I don't know, like another movie where he's like pulling the strings in the background. Like that way, there's more of like, like Thanos, for example. Well, like how does he pull the strings again? He doesn't seem like a pulling strings. Yeah. He's like a. Wasn't he part of a gang at first?
00:12:30
Speaker
No. No, he was by himself. He was on he was like in the US task force. Kill him over? Yeah. Yeah. Isn't the US task force? No, you're a soldier. There was something that had to do with like, like gang violence at the beginning of it.
00:12:48
Speaker
Well, yeah, he's his dad. Okay, yeah, that's what I was thinking. Well, no, yeah, T'Challa's dad kills Killmonger's dad because of gang violence. In the most nonchalant way, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, I just feel like, you know, since it's his half brother, right? No, it's like his cousin. His cousin, right? His cousin. I feel like they could have added more to that, you know, just like the family bond, but yada yada.
00:13:14
Speaker
Well, the whole movie is based about him. I can't fit everything into a movie, personally. I mean, I kind of see where Jacob's coming from because, personally, I like Killmonger Ben T'Challa. His character is better fleshed out than T'Challa, in my opinion. I love a character that you can agree with. You don't agree with him, but you can understand why he's doing what he's doing.
00:13:38
Speaker
Yeah, I can see the point of even though I don't agree with it, like giving guns to people who are oppressed. I don't really agree with it, but I can see why he thinks it because as a kid, he's kind of in that position and that situation. And he's just like, yeah, give people guns. Let them fight back. I've watched plenty of action movies where when I was younger, I was like, yeah, he's dead. Yeah. I'll go back and watch the movie and be like, OK.
00:14:04
Speaker
That was deep. Yeah. That was deep. That was deep, you know? That was deep, yeah. But yeah, I get that. I'm not the film major. And if you literally stick two hours of no context and just cool fight scenes, I'll be like, yeah! So. It's OK. I was like, I'm actually, that was a pretty poor script writing. Actually, that was the poor script writing. And Chadwick Boseman did not have a character arc. No. Sometimes I like to turn my brain off. Yeah.
00:14:33
Speaker
I'm really glad that Noah agreed with me for some of this stuff because if I like made a point and he's like, um, no, that would have just. Actually.
00:14:44
Speaker
I do want to say Black Panther has one of the best soundtracks to a Marvel movie I've ever heard in my entire life. That's also why I love it. It is so good. I don't think it should have won best cinematography, but I do think it should have won best score. It was so good. I mean, the movie did better in certain parts, and I think it could have won an award for that than something that was like, man. I don't know. I wasn't a huge fan of the Black Panther movie. I wonder why.
Critique of Marvel/Star Wars Films & Sequels
00:15:15
Speaker
In terms of in terms of Marvel movies, I feel like, I don't know, it just felt it was as base value of a Marvel movie as you could get, because it's just like it's just straight up bad guy, good guy kind of thing. I was just saying that I don't know, it just seemed a little it was a little boring to me.
00:15:36
Speaker
and it was just yeah and it was just straight up good guy bad guy and it wasn't really it like it followed those guidelines pretty strictly that's fair yeah i can feel like it was easily predictable and there wasn't much to it yeah so i wouldn't i don't know in terms of all the other movies it wasn't up there for me i thought it was unique you know it's not it maybe in terms of the way that like the film progresses and like the good guy bad guy it's similar to our other marvel movies but i can't really think of another marvel movie that kind of just
00:16:05
Speaker
It's a separate country and there's that context going on. I think there are Marvel movies that take place in other countries. I knew you were going to say that as soon as those words left my mouth.
00:16:23
Speaker
I just mean in general, like... Like a make-believe country, like it doesn't actually exist. But you could see that it exists. But even for those countries that they do have, they don't have a lot of world building. It's just a place. Like Sokovia? What is Sokovia? What's important about Sokovia? That's the only thing I'd say. It's just in Sokovia. It doesn't matter until it's floating in the sky, you know? Like I don't want to touch on it and... Yeah, there's a place called Wakanada.
00:16:54
Speaker
That's the one with Ultra on it. Yeah, but they like mention it. They never show it. Yeah. I don't think the place is as important. Yeah, it's not as important in that one, but that's why I like it. I really enjoy world building. But like if you have, you know, if you tell us a little bit about Sokovia and like show us in a more meaningful way, the reasons they dislike like Tony Stark and stuff like that.
00:17:22
Speaker
Tony Stark built this in a cave. My favorite movies within that series, besides all the Spider-Man ones, because... Spider-Man ones are very good. Yeah, because you just can't really create with Spider-Man. I would say either Iron Man 3 or Doctor Strange. Yo.
00:17:58
Speaker
I wasn't a big fan of the enemies like the glowing red type
00:18:03
Speaker
thing i didn't really understand that then again i haven't seen that in a movie in a couple years uh but young me also didn't like the fact that he blew up all the suits at the time that story arc oh yeah i didn't like it either but i thought it was cool because um yeah fireworks it looked cool it looked cool but also iron patriot was really cool that was really cool yeah
00:18:27
Speaker
My sister loved that movie because she's like, it's an act of love. It's about love. That's why he's destroying the suits. And then he immediately builds more. But it's different because he doesn't have the thing in his heart, right? He took the things out. If it's so easy though, why didn't he do that in the beginning?
00:18:55
Speaker
Like he could have been like, I have to rewatch the movies. But why in the first movie, she's able to put her hands so deep in his chest. But when he takes out the shrapnel, there's just a tiny bit of scar around it. And there's not like a gaping hole in where the arc reactor was. Listen, women, women have very precise hands.
00:19:21
Speaker
Precise so why do you say that Jacob? Huh? Why why why do you say that Jacob? That's literally a genetic character. Oh, yeah No, it's there are some things that male and female people are genetically predisposed to Okay is steady hands one of them
00:19:48
Speaker
I believe it is. I know smaller hands is most certainly one of them. Well, but like it had nothing to do with the size of her hand and more of the fact that her entire hand went into his chest and then there's nothing to show. Like
Spider-Man's MCU Development & Phase Four
00:20:01
Speaker
there's no hole there. There's no way the skin could have grown all the way back. Like the skin and bone and I'm just very, uh, bear in mind, this is after one search of
00:20:15
Speaker
Google of this looks to be from the National Library of Medicine. So I believe it is a type. I don't I don't think anyone was disputing that. Okay, women are more inclined to have steady hands based off of research that I've seen.
00:20:35
Speaker
So consider a type two source, not completely believable, but with some sort of background. Yes. With APA citation. Yes, of course. But yeah, I agree. That's probably just, they didn't really care enough to put a big scar on him. Yeah. Like, Oh yeah. I remember the giant hole in his chest. And yeah, that's cool. I have a hole in my chest. You know what? Nevermind.
00:21:00
Speaker
But no, I like Congress election. Doctor Strange and Iron Man 3 are pretty good movies. I like Doctor Strange a lot.
00:21:09
Speaker
I completely forgot about Doctor Strange. I'm actually just going to watch it again. Doctor Strange is mid here. Is there a second one? There is, like next year I think. I've heard it's going to be like horror themed. Oh Captain Marvel is definitely my favorite bro. What was I thinking? He's so right. Guardians of the Galaxy 1 is definitely up there. I can see that, yeah. Also a great soundtrack.
00:21:35
Speaker
yeah a second one i wasn't too big of a fan of seriously i mean i i enjoyed it but like yeah it didn't give me the same one yeah yeah it just wasn't it just wasn't the same yeah the first one was definitely way better than the second iron man 2 i think um it had moments but it wasn't a good movie it had moments but it wasn't it wasn't soundtrack was good soundtrack bro iron man soundtracks are always bangers bro
00:22:06
Speaker
I almost just started seeing the Pacific Rim theme song. I have not seen Black Widow nor Captain Marvel. I have seen Captain Marvel. It's not great. Yeah, it's not. So I've heard.
00:22:29
Speaker
Not only are their visuals incredibly boring, there's no, there, it's like, you know, when you have, you have good story, it doesn't matter if there's like insane fight scenes. And if you have really, really well choreographed fight scenes in action, then it's okay if it's not that great of a story. But if you don't have either of those, is it boring?
00:22:51
Speaker
Yeah, it's just a boring movie. She's boring. The story is boring. It was really boring. Nothing against like, you know, I kind of like the shapeshifters, though I thought they had their moments. Yeah, pretty cool. But other than that, shang chi is pretty good. I I've I've been told that it's really funny and that it's
00:23:14
Speaker
What was I going to say? Some people have it as their favorite now. I would say that. I feel like phase four is just a whole separate. We're like the originals. We like the original Star Wars. Phase four is definitely different. It feels so different. Yeah. Well, when they peel off half of their characters. I'm fine with that. I'm just saying the feel of the world is just so different. Everyone's just like, oh, yeah, Thanos did this, Thanos did that. Thanos did that.
00:23:44
Speaker
I'm like, okay, get move on. Yeah, I saw I saw Black Widow too. It was I mean, it was it was all right. It was about Yeah, it was average. It wasn't anything special. It was it was like, it was if Marvel made a very, very vanilla spy film. That's how I described it. Okay.
00:24:05
Speaker
I feel like Black Widow probably had potential. It could have had the potential of Black Panther if I'm being completely honest. For you or just like in general? For me. Because everyone looks Black Panther.
00:24:24
Speaker
Because they like they had this story set in place already because you know There's already a little bit of a backstory for Black Widow, but they could have just like expanded like on a completely different one I don't I haven't seen the movie obviously, so I'm not sure. Oh, yeah, they also ruins Taskmaster. That's what I've heard. It's female. She's female, right? Well, that's not why what are you talking about? Like Taskmaster is normally male in the comics, right? I
00:24:50
Speaker
True. They could have made a really good female Taskmaster if they just did it how he is in the comics. I've heard she's very bland. She only has like five minutes of screen time. I mean it's so clearly made as like a
00:25:08
Speaker
black widow like oh yeah she's dead we should make a movie because we forgot to like you know give her a good send off and strong wasn't she promised a movie in her contract yeah she was like a while ago and it's kind of forgot about it it's like yeah by the way we're gonna put you in a bunch of these movies as like a side character oh yeah by the way your character is dead and we're gonna give her a solo movie now
00:25:32
Speaker
Yeah, you're welcome. And then we'll take your money. We won't even pay you for it either. You wanted money for this movie? Fuck you.
Spider-Man Film Portrayals & Plot Twists
00:25:42
Speaker
You guys are getting paid for this?
00:25:45
Speaker
I like Far From Home because it talks about the events after Thanos. I get phase four, everything's about, oh, after Thanos. But directly, it shows how people are affected a little bit more. But also, people weren't affected at all by it. Yeah, everything's normal. I get it's their story, they can do what they want, but they really just
00:26:09
Speaker
Made it as if not. Yeah, like the beginning of the movie talked about it after that. They're like, everything's normal again. Everything's back. Yeah, it's like literally the only difference is that some people are younger than others. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, I feel like I feel like the TV show is there a better job of showing like how like Thanos's thing changed the world, like like Wandavision and. That's a pretty good show. You should watch it. I kind of liked it.
00:26:39
Speaker
I have lots of shows I need to watch, but I'm just going to keep looking. Loki is pretty good. Yeah, Loki is great. Loki was different. I think I submitted things for me. Loki was different. It just wasn't usual. It got really like I was all right with keeping up with how they were trying to do it throughout the whole show. And then like at the end with their their big twist that they did, I got lost. The big twist was that he was bisexual.
00:27:04
Speaker
No. That was a twist? No. I thought you were talking about the dude. You know, I date Loki. I'm going to be honest. I date Loki. Yeah, I kind of like Loki. Kind of cute. Kind of quirky. Who was quirky? Thanos? Thanos was so quirky, he just killed half of existence. Yeah. Thanos, what that gauntlet do? Yeah, shiny.
00:27:35
Speaker
He's not like other girls. He's not like the other boys. He's gonna kill half the Earth. So what was the twist? That there's a dude. Have you seen it? Oh yeah, the twist is that the dude who is, or like these creatures called the Watchers aren't actually the Watchers and it's just some dude.
00:28:00
Speaker
no i wasn't talking about that one i was like at the very very end like after he dies and then they no the real the actual watcher and then and then they like kind of shuffle everything around i didn't understand well i mean weren't they just saying like he said like if you kill me then like he's gonna come back so what what's the general picture i need to get
00:28:23
Speaker
Like, doesn't it open the multiverse or something? That's the thing. It's not a show that can really make sense. Yeah, that's the part that's confusing. I don't know if it's the multiverse or if it's... They just decided to go back in time. Or forward in time. Aside from that, the movie was really good. I just want to say that right now. Aside from that, the movie was very good. Or show. Show. Show. The nine-hour show. Nine-hour movie. But yeah, back to... Well, I mean, it's the same. But back to Far From Home, I think we were talking about.
00:28:54
Speaker
I understand why they leaned into the whole Peter Parker's The Apprentice or The Sun to Tony Stark, but also I don't really get it as
00:29:14
Speaker
Spider-Man's character. I feel like the whole point is that he's supposed to discover and learn this stuff on his own. Well, they set that stuff up from like the previous Spider-Man like homecoming. Yeah, I know that. But it did all I've yeah, I guess that's just from watching the other Spider-Man movies. It kind of turned me off a little bit from these ones because it was pretty different character development. Yeah, yeah. And the other ones were pretty similar and they did good.
00:29:43
Speaker
Yeah, this one, I guess it just kind of followed the MCUs kind of thing. Well, it had to. Did you did you fall for the Mysterio twist?
00:29:54
Speaker
where he was actually the bad guy. And also, it's not like he's not actually a Mysterio. Like, there's not actually like a Mysterio. Oh, there's no real Mysterio. Like, all of it is like... I wasn't actually expecting that because they're usually like throwing in just magic pencils. Yeah, yeah. That's why I liked it. But the thing that ruined it for me is I actually read... The only comic I ever read was that one and I knew that he wasn't real. I think they're trying to make Spider-Man a little bit too techy.
00:30:21
Speaker
You know? Yeah, yeah, that's actually, yeah. Well, you know what I mean? That's kind of his character, except he's supposed to do it himself. Yeah, he's just kind of using. Yeah, but like in like his web shooters are tech, but usually the Iron Man suit. Yeah, yeah. There's like an essence of homemade, not really with this Peter Parker. You know, he's supposed to be a little bit poor and
00:30:51
Speaker
awkward and like not having he's supposed to have consequences for what he does but he doesn't seem to have any he doesn't seem to have any consequences because he keeps getting bailed out yeah that's the point five bucks at the end of the movie dr. strange is gonna bail him out and everyone's gonna forget it's spider-man
00:31:12
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Well, the whole
Exploring Spider-Man Themes & Marvel Dynamics
00:31:13
Speaker
the whole point of the first trial that came out was like, hey, I fucked up. Can you like fix everything for me, Dr. Strange? He's like, yeah, sure. I got you, baby. I don't like consequences for my actions. Can you like fix that? He's literally talking to a studio executive. I mean, I'll give it to him. It wasn't necessarily his fault, because at the end of Far From Home, he got screwed in the pooch hard. Yeah, it's not him. It wasn't him.
00:31:38
Speaker
But it was his action for like, you know, that is what it costs to, to fight people. Like he, yeah, he fell for the trap hard. And I feel like he could have handled it. Instead of just beating him up on that one bridge. Yeah, that's true. Take him away and then throw a glider at it. You know, make him stab himself with his own throw. Yeah, just kill him. Well, wait, I guess he did kill himself because
00:32:08
Speaker
Well, he like dodged the gunshot, right? And it shot him? No. How did he die again? How did Mr. Gio die? I don't remember. You got shot, I thought, right? Spider-Man just shot him. Well, Spider-Man didn't shoot him, but that's what he was convincing everyone. That would actually be like so hype. It's not like for the fact that you shot him. But just like, here's your character development. Pops a cap in him.
00:32:35
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Okay, I don't actually remember, but I thought I thought he like had a drone behind spider-man when he was like monologuing to track him and then he got hit or something figured out how to use his spider sense and then he dodged it and then he just I don't understand why he lost his spider sense because he had it at the end of end game, right?
00:32:57
Speaker
And then he lost it afterward. I think they were trying to pull. They were trying to pull a Spider-Man 2 where like he was in his head, but it also didn't work because he. You know, he still had his webs and he was still super strong. Well, he's well, yeah, I know. But like he's like, it didn't work because he still had abilities because he had to rely. Yeah. Like the reason it worked for.
00:33:24
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for Toby was because he was left with nothing. Yeah. So Mysterio accidentally got shot by his own drone. I think so. He got shot by his own drone. Yeah, they they pulled the spider in one while also pulling a spider in two in that movie. But like less good. Incidents quite quick. I was like the corrupt or not the corrupt, the creatively bankrupt Marvel be doing a be doing a Raimi.
00:33:53
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doing a rain here. So I guess the audience can kind of guess which series we enjoyed better in the Spiderman franchise. The best Spiderman is Spiderman 1 and 2.
00:34:06
Speaker
They're yeah, they're both really good. There's nothing wrong with the third one. They just didn't as they grow up I I enjoy the third one more and more because yeah, it's realistic. He's getting worse and worse as time goes on. Yeah So I don't think we can rule out the third one just yet plus it was I don't know it was more of a fun movie I guess, you know, yeah, molly mcguire is pie. He wears some black You know, he dances he plays a piano song becomes emo
00:34:33
Speaker
That is what happened. Yeah, Spider-Man 1 and 2. And I actually liked the Spider-Man dancing. I also like. No, no, no. Yeah, I'm on with you. Spider-Man dancing? Best part. Make the movie. Best part. With the finger dance? Yeah. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. And the women. Mm-hmm. And then that little shuffle. Yeah. And then he just shoplifted that coat. I love the edit of that, where there's no music playing it. And it's just like him shuffling on them. It's just clapping.
00:35:03
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Everyone's just looking at them weird. Yeah, Spider-Man 2 might. I mean, of course it's the best superhero film of all time, but it's like definitely up there for just best film of all time in general, at least for action, action genre. That's, that's a bold statement. Well, I mean, it might be a true one too.
00:35:22
Speaker
All right. All right. I hate that again. I was just saying, I was just saying a Spider-Man 2 is like one of the best movies probably out there for its genre. For its genre. Yeah, I would say it's one of the best movies in its class because Sam Raimi focused on the story and we already had. OK, this is why sequels have the potential to be the best movie is because you don't have to set the characters up anymore. And so all you have to worry about is the arc that they go through.
00:35:50
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in that movie. You have everything in place now and that's why it can be better. So would you say that sequels do bad then because they keep trying to make new characters in a sense? I think yes. If you have a sequel and it has a lot of new characters, it is a lot harder to focus on the new characters as well as give a
00:36:11
Speaker
a good, deserving arc to the characters that you've already pre-established. Exactly why I didn't want Killmonger killed. Really good backstory, but they finished them too quickly. I rest my case, continue. That's
Marvel Sequels & Audience Reactions Debate
00:36:25
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why Empire Strikes Back is the best of the original trilogy. I'm not going to say the same about Attack on the Clones, obviously. You're talking about Revenge of the Sith was pretty good. Revenge of the Sith was pretty good.
00:36:41
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sad tale of like grooming and corruption. Despite the bad execution, it had a good story Shrek 2. It's really good because it added to the world and it built upon it while also giving a compelling story about a character we are. Shrek 3 is not that great.
00:37:08
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I was a kid that watched Shrek 3 at least probably six or seven times. Every single time we went to Oklahoma, we would get in the car. I would pull out the DVD player and I would watch Shrek 3. Only? Multiple times. Only Shrek 3. We would always go around Christmas time.
00:37:35
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but it was always Frosty the Snowman and Shrek 3, but Shrek 3 is not that good. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you, I think the thing that ruins sequels for me is when they try to do, like they try to recreate the magic of the first movie, way too much. I feel like the second movie, the whole point, like Noah said, they're trying to work with what they've already set up. Don't try to like, redo something, or don't try to add something onto like,
00:38:03
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what was already set up in the first movie, work with it and kind of like make it better. You know what I mean? The second movie is supposed to be like the way I like to think. No, I'm saying like the second movie is like an attachment to the first movie. Yeah, like the way I like to think about it is like a like a building. After you build a structure, you don't build or like you don't build another base. You don't build another foundation. You build on top of the structure. Like after you've laid the cement, you don't lay another
00:38:32
Speaker
for a lock of cement. That's redundant. Take what you've made and then add on top of it. Use it to build something. And that's the same reason these fail is when they try so hard to set up the world and do all of this as well as giving.
00:39:02
Speaker
a long compelling arc, trying to give a long compelling arc without, it's like building your house on sand. Cause you didn't get, you didn't have time to set up your foundation. So it's going to be a weaker foundation for it.
00:39:23
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Thank you, Jacob.
00:39:39
Speaker
I stole a phrase from my girlfriend's sister accidentally. She says, speak your truth a lot. Speak your truth a lot? What does that even mean? I think Jacob's. It's kind of sarcastic. It's like, say what you want to say. Isn't that like what you're not supposed to do? Like not speak the truth because if you do, then you're hurt people's feelings. A lot of people don't like you when you speak the truth now. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:09
Speaker
No, no, it's it's like speak your truth. Like, all right, you know what I'm gonna say right now, Connor, I don't care that your your legs are beautiful. Oh, thank you. Connor, your legs are beautiful.
00:40:25
Speaker
I would train them all the time. That's nice. You literally have the opportunity.
Favorite MCU Movies: Critiques & Comparisons
00:40:28
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Yeah, you're the lucky person here. Yeah. Connor literally gets chances to rub Noah's lats at all time yet. His lats? Like just his lats? Bro, have you seen the wings on this man? I have. They're pretty big. The literal wings? Connor's like, oh, oh, yeah. He's just flapping his, yeah.
00:40:55
Speaker
Yeah, okay. So what's your favorite? My my favorite Marvel movie that I can easily rewatch multiple times is Captain America Civil War I feel like it has a really good conflict like why they fight the fight and the resolution kind of sort of and how it leads into like the
00:41:20
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Discord that happens in infinity war and the resolution and endgame. I just kind of like that that connection It's a really good movie and I like Zemo. He's like the most realistic human villain and his reason for fighting is real and the way that he ends his character is real and I did not really like him as much in Falcon over the soldier, but that's totally different thing. I
00:41:52
Speaker
Yeah, that's it. Yeah, he's not a smart guy or like strong guy.
00:42:02
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You know, he's, he uses his brain to fight. Yeah, he's not, he literally isn't. He's, yeah, he just knows how he, the, the only way for him to fight him is to make them fight each other. It's, it's realistic. It seems. And the thing that is so cool is that like, you know, that Tony Stark and Captain America, they're like, they, they'd not like been on the same level.
00:42:26
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Since they met. Yeah, and he kind of puts the nail in the coffin at the end. Yeah, he just kind of presses their buttons. He's like, the parents, they orphaned you. He's like, uh, what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, to my face. Yeah, that was a really good movie in my opinion. I just feel like it, and it brought in Black Panther, like he introduced it. And I don't know, I feel like it was pretty even fight too. And Spider-Man. Spider-Man? Yeah, it brought in Spider-Man.
00:42:54
Speaker
Um, yeah, I don't know. It was a really good, really good movie. My question for everyone is whose side are you on? When I first watched it, I thought I was on Iron Man's side because I just liked him better. But when you look at why they're doing it, I think I would be on Captain America's side. Okay. Okay. I see that. I see that.
00:43:29
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Alright, wait Noah, did you say what's your favorite MCU movies? Okay, you should probably do that. My favorite MCU movie is probably... Hmm, I have to think about this. I know I've had some time, but I've been listening to you guys as well. Okay, yeah, we refreshed your memory on what there is, so you know, just...
00:44:03
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I like the ending to that one, though. I like how it ended.
00:44:17
Speaker
Because it ended. I'm going to be told. I don't even remember the ending of that movie. I literally just watched it because I wanted to know what happens. I just remember at the end of one of the Iron Man, I think it was one. They just showed Thor's hammer. I was like, what is this? What is it? It is a mallet. It's like a little baby child. Which one? I think it was one. They just showed Thor's hammer. I think it was a dead O2. The ending of one was Nick Fury.
00:44:47
Speaker
Yeah, it was no the ending of two is him in the donut. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was during two was during the ending of two was it was the hammer. It shows what's his face and what's his face. It shows. Ah, yes, yes. I've read Adrian Coulson. And he's like, we got the hammer. It was like, we found it. Yeah, we
00:45:15
Speaker
Yeah, he yes, exactly. He said ancient Colson. Colson, Colson. Right. Right.
Marvel vs. Star Wars: Sequel Themes & Execution
00:45:24
Speaker
Okay. Incredible Hulk, though. That's a good movie. The Edward North one, right? Well, what other ones are there? There's no other Hulk in MCU. Oh, in the MCU. Well, technically, Incredible Hulk is not MCU. But technically it is.
00:45:40
Speaker
Yes, it is. They just changed the actor. They put Tony Stark in the credits. Oh, yeah, they did. Well, they talk about events that happened in that movie. In that movie. Yeah, yeah. Like the whole him shooting himself in the head. Not in the head.
00:45:59
Speaker
Is in Shang-Chi. That was so sick. That was awesome. What? He was so cool. He should've told me that. What? Oh, that's really, he's in it? That's dope. That's actually really dope. I haven't seen Shang-Chi. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with the movie, but he's in it and it's... How? Well, like there's like a... Okay, do you want me to say it or no? I'm pretty sure it's in the trailer, but I know Karina's watched the trailer. It's free. It's on Disney+. I watched it like last weekend.
00:46:26
Speaker
Wait, is Free on Disney Plus? It is Free on Disney Plus. Does he look different? He looks a little different. He looks a tiny bit different. He's got like fish tails. Yeah. But it has nothing to do with the story for the movie, if that makes a difference. Oh, it's just like, it's just like a random thing. He just kind of put it in. Yeah, not in a cave, but it's kind of like threw it in there and it's pretty cool for like
00:46:49
Speaker
the box of scraps. That will always be one of the best lines. It was a really good line. It was delivered so well. Tony Stark fought this guy in a cave. That's not the line. What are you talking about? It's Tony Stark built this in a cave. Well, yeah, I know that but I was I was making it
00:47:08
Speaker
in the context of... Well, yeah, it was what we were talking about. You know, the Shang-Chi. It's called Shang-Chi, right? It's Shang-Chi. It's Shang-Chi. It's a U? It's a U, but there's an A. It's both an A, but in the movie he said it's Shang-Chi. I know it's an A. Like Shang-Chi. Like it's rung, but with Shang. Well, maybe it was like their lisp or something.
00:47:35
Speaker
Oh, their list? What do you mean, their? Their accent. Their accent? What do you mean, accent? I mean, their accent. So what's your favorite movie, Noah? Yeah, yeah, what is it? Of all time, not including Marvel. Not including Marvel? No, I'm kidding. The whole point. I think he said... No, no, no, I did not say Hulk. I really like Winter Soldier. Okay, yeah, I can see that. Captain America Winter Soldier.
00:48:05
Speaker
or the show. Captain America Winter Soldier. Yeah, I can see that. Who's I? Did you like Zossimov or whatever he was called? As the computer? Is that what it was? What was his name? Zossimov? Zossimov? Did you read Brothers of Karamazov? What was his name? No. Zossimov? As? The guy who became the computer. Zolo? Zolo. Zolo. Yeah. Is that why you like the computer?
00:48:35
Speaker
The guy the computer he was doing the computer Yeah Yeah, yeah So many times one summer that I probably just got sick of it. It's probably I don't like it Which this is gonna sound really weird. I think I don't like what the movie is Black Widow's haircut. Was that a you?
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah, that was not. Yeah, that was not. And well, the straight short. Yeah, yeah. But that that movie was pretty good. Again, pretty good conflict. I like it like the reason for the fight. Though I just feel like they kind of just threw a buck in there because they needed like. Emotional points.
00:49:21
Speaker
Yeah, but it also worked, I feel like, because he didn't die on screen. So, I mean, it was actually- Yeah, I mean, it's just a cliche, like, oh, character doesn't die, let's bring it back. Yeah, but no one was expecting it, I feel like. Yeah, okay, honestly, if they didn't show it in the trailer, I think it would have been really cool. But they- If they didn't show what? If they didn't show that Bucky's alive in the trailer. I still remember that trailer, it was such like a throwaway. Like,
00:49:49
Speaker
Also, I love the fact that the original train scene from the original Captain America is mirrored in the movie because at the very end, you know, Captain America falls down into the water where Bucky fell into the snow and then Bucky saved him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's like,
00:50:10
Speaker
Okay, buddy. I got you. Even though you tried to kill me. Yeah, I agree. I don't know. I just feel like I can see all these movies. I don't know. These are these are all really, really good movies. Everything in phase one through three. Legendary. It's like the old Star Wars. Like it's just it's just the reason why people talk about comic movies is because of that.
00:50:38
Speaker
I will about Star Wars. I'm kind of glad that the new sequels just were horrible because it made appreciate the prequels more. And I was I was always a fan of the prequels, like all of them even attack the clones. So, you know, but like, although the fact that we got a chance for Clone Wars season seven, and the Clone Wars characters entering into the
00:51:04
Speaker
the live-action. That would only be possible if the sequels were incredibly mediocre. Yeah, yeah.
Final Reflections & Farewells
00:51:10
Speaker
They were a little worse than just me. I mean, like, I don't want to wish ill on the new Marvel movies, but I just know for sure they're not going to be the same. Like, they're just not going to feel the same. Also, I think it's funny. Well, they knew that. They've made all their money that you wanted to out of them. At this point, it's just fan service, honestly. Bro, you know what I watched the other day? I watched Knives Out.
00:51:31
Speaker
That's a really good movie. That's a really good movie. That was a good movie. I liked it. It's so well done. Ryan Johnson's stuff that I don't like. I watched Looper recently. You didn't like Looper? It's pretty OK. But he does a lot of narration. He does a lot of show or tell not show. Yeah. Which kind of takes me out of it.
00:51:55
Speaker
I just didn't feel that compelling. Actually, no, I didn't. I didn't like the world building of Looper. I like the concept like that. They have to kill it by taking off like his past self or the future self or some and then like the current timeline guy dies off. Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. I like that. Yeah, but knives out is really good. Yeah.
00:52:16
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was interesting that they had Daniel Craig do that. Right. He plays such a like it's weird to see him as not James Bond, but he plays this so convincingly. This like rural. Southern accent smoking all the time, like he played us go well. It's that kind of role where like, oh, this is a really good actor and not just like he's a character, he's that character because.
00:52:45
Speaker
I thought the same thing about, um, Oh, what's his name? Uh, Robert Pattinson. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The guy from Twilight. I was like, Oh, he's just not, he's not a great actor. And I watched the lighthouse and I was like, Oh, you know what? This guy's a really good actor. The lighthouse is Robert Pattinson and Willem Dafoe.
00:53:09
Speaker
It's Willem, not William. Well, his name is William, but it's just his nickname is Willem. We need something new. We need different genres. And to write those genres, could I have your grammar right? Speaking of grammar, when you have a paper to write or a script, because we've been talking about scripts and I recently just finished the script and
00:53:39
Speaker
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00:54:32
Speaker
Check out Grammarly by clicking the link in the podcast description and enjoy not worrying about grammar ever again. I really like the first story. The first story is good. It's just kind of raw. It needs more fleshing out. Yeah, I agree. Well, I don't think you're getting back to it and fix it. Actually, I didn't know that the one was made by Kenneth Branigan. That's actually pretty cool. I did not know that.
00:55:03
Speaker
He did all the Shakespeare movies. He was Poro. He was Poro in the Oriental Express. Oriental? Orient? Yeah, he's Poro. If you look him up, you'll recognize him. You probably know who he is.
00:55:27
Speaker
He has a bunch of elves and his mom dies and then someone gets attacked and then Thor has to come save the day with his hammer.
00:55:40
Speaker
I don't know. I kind of like Thor 2 because it kept the consistency with building the people on Earth. Yeah, like they're one of their realms. Kind of working with people on Asgard. And I liked how that worked. All I want to say is that
00:55:57
Speaker
You know, it was like, we're not actually gods. We're literally just aliens with cool powers. Yeah. They do call themselves gods though. That's because, you know, they've been, I mean, they can kill you. Yeah. The whole point is that Asgard is not like a different, like, it's not the heavens. It's literally just like a planet or like a place. Like you can go and visit it. That's the type of thing that they'd set up in the MCU. Not anymore. Yeah.
00:56:22
Speaker
Honestly, okay, I'm gonna say this right now. I know we're talking about like least favorite Marvel movies, but Thor Ragnarok is awesome. It is so good. I wouldn't think it's like good enough to be like- Yeah, it's not the top ones, but it did a good job of correcting all the mistakes that the other Thor movies made.
00:56:46
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really good as a sequel compared to all the other sequels that are up there. It's funny and it has good action and it has awesome use of the immigrant song. It's in the ambient. It's just really good and Hulk, Chad to Hulk. He finally got some spotlight and
00:57:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's a pretty good movie compared to the other Thors. I feel like this one just did a good job of, I don't know, bringing it back to like a Marvel movie standard. Like it's fun, has some action. Like, you know, you could go watch that movie whenever you want. Like it doesn't, it's not like something you have to commit to. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I think all of them are kind of good, but there are definitely a few that are just like boring.
00:57:30
Speaker
So if I had to pick one or two, I'd definitely say Black Widow and Ant-Man and the Wasp. I mean, I loved Ant-Man, but Ant-Man and the Wasp was kind of boring to me. The first Ant-Man. But I also really like Paul Rudd, and I think that was the only saving grace in the sequel. Yeah. Paul Rudd's just a funny guy. He doesn't. And he never ages either. He drinks whale breast milk.
00:57:59
Speaker
You guys didn't see that that Ryan Reynolds thing. Ryan Reynolds is like, yeah, yeah, Paul Rod's great. He drinks like whale breast milk or something. No, no, the whales have never mind. Oh, yeah, I did. OK, OK. No, your least favorite. Least favorite Marvel movie is what was just boring for me? What did I not enjoy sitting through?
00:58:29
Speaker
Um. I would have to say the second Iron Man, while a cool concept, I liked seeing all the suits. It just. Compared to the first movie, yeah, that movie was like a downgrade.
00:58:49
Speaker
Oh true, the villain side. That was cool. I thought that was pretty cool. The villain needed so much work. The villain. That was sick. Yeah, that was really cool. I think Iron Man 2, I think Tony Stark on a racetrack looking for a suit.
00:59:16
Speaker
It's that scene and it's also... The old people that die? What? War machine in the... In the Oracle park? They send the old people to die. And it's just like old drones. Okay, you know what? There we go. They send the old people to die. Yeah, that's what he said. One of those places. Just your... Okay. My grandpa is...
00:59:43
Speaker
You have, the first villain is somebody who copies Tony Stark's technology. Bobby Barks' technology. Anyways, and that's fine. That's cool because he, you know, he does something with it. He makes his own suit. And it's the first Marvel movie. This is new. And then next time,
01:00:09
Speaker
You have somebody who steals Tony Tark technology. I don't know what I'm struggling with this. Kobe Bryant's technology? Kobe Bryant? Rest in peace. Rest in peace, Kobe. Kobe. Hey, next voice night, we are going to be playing a game on the podcast. We're also going to be doing a mukbang.
01:00:36
Speaker
We're donating mukbangs. Okay. Yeah. That's gonna be like a five hour episode. I'm sure our audience would enjoy that heavily. How does it take an hour to eat something? I've been eating this entire time. My food is done, but yeah. My chewing noises are gonna come out a lot.
01:00:56
Speaker
Well yeah, now that things are falling apart, I think it's a good time to call it. Thank you everyone for listening. This has been the Boys to Men podcast. Whether you're having an evening, morning, afternoon, or whatever, I hope that you have a good rest of your day, and goodbye.