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Episode 28: DaMusic | Boys 2 Men
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In todays episode, Music is on the chopping block. The boys talk about some of their favorite genres, artists, and what overall makes good music in their opinion.
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Transcript
Quirky Language Habits
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take up like bet and then he doesn't do it bet bet bet he says he does say that quite a lot he has a weird vernacular when it comes to both in-person and messaging vernacular that's what i just said it's like he speaks typo sometimes he speaks he speaks typos on purpose i speak in ahu correct yeah
00:00:31
Speaker
What the duck, guys? I'm finna be for real, but... That's an example of what I feel like a sentence that comes out of his mouth every day. I'm finna be real, but... That's what I hear most of the time.
What is Music?
00:02:11
Speaker
Music is a form of art where an instrument, which is loosely defined as anything that makes music, which is very circular in reasoning in the first place. We just live inside. One might say that music makes you lose control. Music does make you lose control. Mm-hmm. I agree. Wait, that's a song.
Favorite Songs and Genres
00:02:39
Speaker
wow job welcome to the podcast today we're talking about music uh this is season six episode like two i think yeah yeah um yeah we're here we're gonna talk about music um and that's really it and i'm gonna start off with the question of
00:03:04
Speaker
What is your favorite song so we can get started? So let's start off by saying our favorite song so that we can start Yes, we're gonna say our favorite song not sing our favorite song. No, no We all have to sing our favorite song, right? Yo, can you get off my ass, bro? I don't recall anyone being in that area. I'm driving at the moment This podcast
00:03:33
Speaker
All right, you want to do it at this time. Why did you schedule us to have it right? You're like i didn't schedule this shit. I thought yeah, I swear you did Oh, no, I'm like I know like guys we gotta do it right now This is another time for me. Yeah You are being busy. Yes. It looks like a list a podcaster is on the go We should find it. We should have like a pokemon go but like
00:04:00
Speaker
podcast go well I mean you guys you guys can't do later in the day right like later yeah exactly this is not today later today that's the early tomorrow though would you guys rather do early tomorrow
00:04:18
Speaker
No, we're right here doing it right now. All right, I was just making sure. I was just making sure. Yeah. What's the point of work tomorrow? I need to know. The listeners... Yeah, the listeners is going to be used to weird car noises in Jacob. Oh, shit. Ew. Okay. I definitely didn't just hit a bump in the fucking... Dude, are you over a person? Are you just driving around in a parking lot? No, I'm driving... I'm in carefree right now. I'm on carefree.
00:04:49
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What? Yeah. Anyway, what's your favorite song? Like right now? Yes. That's a pretty hard question to answer. It is. We're just going to jump right into that. We're jumping into the deep end with that one.
00:05:15
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I was gonna ask you guys like your favorite genre or favorite artist. Okay fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine fine
00:05:41
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Genre is a really, really touchy one for me because I really like a lot of different styles of music, you know? Oftentimes, you don't get all of those styles. If you just choose one type as your favorite. If I had to really say, I'd say jazz. Jazz? So you like jazz?
00:06:08
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You like jazz. So, you like jazz. Sacrifone intensifies. Yeah, I feel like it's kind of like, you have, you like like parts of different genres, but you can never find music that just kind of has everything in it, right? Like this is like pieces and parts. I feel like that would be bad if
00:06:36
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music there's just this one genre that has everything you want yeah that is stays true yes i mean i lean towards rap but i want to switch genres yeah yeah and and you know i feel like most people or at least some people don't like songs just because they're part of a genre they'll just like they'll like any song that's in any genre just as long as they like it and it happens to be in that genre and they probably just have like a preference towards you know
00:07:07
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I'm probably not making sense but I'm not gonna like it just because it's part of a genre like the only genre I will never listen to just because of like
00:07:22
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The sake of it being that one genre is country. Country. Yeah,
Country Music: Authentic or Not?
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I hate country music. Okay, it's funny because either you like all music but country or you only like country and nothing else. Yeah, there are only two categories. There are people who are sane.
00:07:47
Speaker
And there's people who like country, yeah. I'm gonna be honest. I don't know what it is about country music. It just sounds so, like, fake. I like a tractor. I like my horse. I lost my horse. It sounds like someone from outside the US trying to impersonate someone. And that's country music. They're like, oh, yeah, I'm accountable. I guess that's the thing. No one that isn't from America can't do country music. They can't make country music.
00:08:17
Speaker
It's the only American thing that I would say is lackluster. No one else wants to try it, that's the thing. It's the only bad thing about America. An American song? It's gonna be a country song, you know? They're gonna like... Can you sing an American song? Yeah, if Star Spangled Banner wasn't the national anthem, it'd be some like country music.
00:08:39
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It's like a country-run thing. Well, that song isn't about a horse or a dog or something. Yeah, but it's always a country-run song.
00:08:50
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Well, Country Song is always about some sort of... It's always about some guy who really loves his horse. Other living thing that you appreciate. Yeah, it's a horse, but he thinks of it as his girlfriend and he just wants to ride her all the way from the sunset or something. I'm gonna ride my tractor all around. Basically. Okay, but Wanted Dead or Alive by Bon Jovi is a good song. That's true. You are not... That sounds like non-country.
00:09:19
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You are not saying that there's a good country song right now, Connor, are you? Clearly you've never heard the song then. Oh, also Little Mouse X. Probably not. Okay, that is not country, though. That comes as country. No, that's not... I don't even think he would consider
Evolution of Rap and Hip-Hop
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it country. Yeah, that is deep in hip-hop and rap. But like, what we've been describing it by, which is... Even Billy Ray Cyrus starts rapping at the end. In his slow country-ness, he starts rapping.
00:09:51
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he does yeah i mean it's that it's because it sounds good that's how you know it's not country yeah true yes um yeah yeah so i think we all agree country music is not like if you had to go into a desert
00:10:16
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Country music. I'm gonna kill my mic America does the most country non-country songs. Yeah It's actually a good song now, okay, so What about country music makes it not look likable
00:10:36
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They're all the same. Well, I guess you could say that about most genres. Yeah. You could say that all the songs aren't the same. But I don't think that's really the essence, I think. Because think about techno. You could just say, oh, it's just all the same, a bunch of noises and beats. Whoa, whoa. OK, Daft Punk became popular because of techno, all right? The only reason Daft Punk is legendary is because of Daft Punk, I would argue.
00:11:02
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I mean, Tekka, was there a way before Daft Punk? That was like an 80s thing. I think Daft Punk is what brought it to the... Oh, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, I guess you get... Yes, yes.
00:11:12
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I'm saying even Daft Punk is like the only reason why Daft Punk music is good is just because of like the featurettes and that they're able to make really good music with other people because they never sing like the duo never they make music they're producers they're not like singers and they're they have a best end also okay so there's something about the the industry of techno music that allows you to do whatever
00:11:39
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of your own thing. You know how most radio songs, they have to be like three minutes long, right? And so the songs that people want to make will get really edited down into that. So that's why you don't have these seven minute guitar solos anymore.
Originality and Sampling in Music
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Unfortunately. Yeah, Rest in Peace Hotel California. But with Tech Freebird, they were making music by themselves. They didn't really have a producer in the game. And so you have these really, really creative
00:12:09
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uh kind of songs yeah yes yes creative songs and so because of that you get that's what why is it raining where you are i think that's his car noises what no no
00:12:36
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I mean, it is actually thundering where I'm at at the moment, but not where I need, you know. I mean, yeah. Speaking of like, because we were somewhat on the topic of originality and like making like something new for music come to a point where we just like run out of like,
00:12:58
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of music yeah you know like because like already we have people like sampling songs or like even if they don't have been doing that for years yeah and you know like um for example uh there's a song called grazing in the grass by a jazz group that is later used for uh you know that song that's like
00:13:24
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Unfortunately not. It's like a song from the 60s or 70s. Anyways, there's also another jazz song that gets sampled in Ice Cubes. It Was a Good Day, which is like... Whoa, what? Ice Cube? Yeah, Ice Cube sampled. Everybody samples. There's like one of the... There's like a song from the 90s that's used, or like it's 99 Loofed Balloons, which is a German song.
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later translated into American. It sounds really weird in the American translation. Anyway, what language? It's German originally. Oh, German, okay. And then in the American, it's not in the Netherlands. Did you guys know that... No, that's fine. Oh, wait, no, I think... Yeah, I know that one. Dollar in a Dream 3 by J. Cole actually samples the Kingdom Hearts song.
00:14:25
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Yes, Kingdom Hearts. I don't remember who it was, but I think it was Travis Scott sampled the Kingdom Hearts song, too, just your daily fact of the day. Yes. You're welcome. The Artist of the Century. Oh, yeah. It's lit! It's lit! It strains the different things we can define as music, you know, because we literally have people like that just like, let's go! You know?
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Well, okay, I'm just gonna say this right now. I listen to rap occasionally, right? And hip-hop and, I guess, R&B and stuff. And I was gonna say that in the evolution of how music came about, rap and hip-hop and R&B weren't the same as it is now. It evolved. Music has changed so much over time. If you listen to a rap song from the 90s and now it's completely different.
00:15:19
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Yeah, like there's no curse word. There are. Okay, I'm saying it's the context is different. Yeah, it's better in the sense that the story that they're telling is more realistic. People nowadays have gotten so filtered that the words they're saying just make no sense anymore. Like people back then used to make sense. A lot of the times they're actually getting ghostwriters to write songs for them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so you're not getting a really genuine
00:15:48
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translation yeah that person has and nowadays we have mumble rap too which is you know a very it's disgusting it is horrible i listen to mumble rap but i'm here like you asked earlier our favorite you know artists or whatever right you asked her yeah yeah yeah yeah so my current i'll just answer that right now since we're someone on the topic my favorite artist is jack harlow because
00:16:13
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Listen, he's not a mumble rapper. He is very lyrical with his music and that's what I enjoy about him a lot.
00:16:20
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If any of you listen to Jack Harlow at all, there's no mumble rap involved. I wouldn't say he's the rappers of old, but he definitely tells a story compared. He'll do songs with a chorus, songs without, or he'll just tell a story, and he can make bangers, like absolute party songs, and he can make really chill songs. Do you think that's just going in a different genre?
00:16:51
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I would say he dabbles in a different genres to be honest like he might go a little bit He definitely goes into hip-hop maybe a little jazz to be honest depending on the song but He's definitely a rapper. I wouldn't call him anything else. Maybe hip-hop artists Yeah, yeah, I mean
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Yeah, like I said, I listen to rap and hip hop and R&B occasionally. So rap. I just do the rap. Yeah, like I was saying, it's like there's sometimes where you listen to the music for like the message that the person's trying to say, like the words and stuff. And there's sometimes where
00:17:39
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there are artists who do a really good job of conveying that message and they don't filter anything and they tell you the raw truth, right? And there's sometimes where, you know, you put lyrics aside and like the beat is so good or like just the melody or whatever it is, it's just so good and you just can't do nothing but listen to it, right? And that stuff has been like in music forever, right? People just like, we'd be like music class and all we listen to is like,
00:18:08
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classical music and there's some are just bangers like this they're so good honestly if Beethoven were like it's nice it's like something so it's like x year and Beethoven just dropped this absolute oh my god i love that meme where it's like guys sitting in a shower i wish i was born in those ages where like someone drops like a moonlight sonata or something and it was
The Art vs. Artist Dilemma
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like
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This is unequivocally busing my friends! Yeah, dub Beethoven.
00:18:45
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I like that one. That whole concept of people listening to just playing all music, no lyrics, has been there for so long that our ears just got so used to it. And then you start to get into the words and stuff and the words start becoming more important all the way around and stuff.
00:19:07
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And sometimes they're not important, you know, sometimes they're just there for filler and sometimes they're like, yeah, there's sometimes like this out this is just songs of my always playlist or
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Yeah. It's just not like words are not even important. I don't even care what they're saying. They're talking about like having sex with a girl all night long. I don't care, but the beat is so good. Like you just like, yeah, you're like, it's good. You know, I'll, I'll listen to songs about like people in gangs shooting other people like for fun. And I'll be like, I'll be driving on my way to like my soccer game and like to soccer coach and like, yep, I'm trying a bunch of children.
00:19:47
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just murder you like it if a song has a message or not i feel like it's still it don't like how do i put it um if you're not directly affected or directly in tune with that message if that makes sense you know yeah like oh you can't listen to this song because so so yeah you can you can listen to whatever the hell you want yeah if people like i think it's the same thing with how like movies go like some people don't watch movies because of certain actors um like that's kind of dumb because
00:20:16
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when the person is doing their acting they're doing it based on like the character of the given right and people they like oh i i can't watch them with that person because he did so and so and this and that and i'm like that's just dumb that's not how that works because it's an art form and they're trying to like
00:20:33
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do things in that art form. Same thing goes with music. 21 Savage has murdered people and I'll listen to a bank account all day long. I don't care because it's actually a good song. Legitimate. I don't care if you kill people. It's just a life. I have had very intense conversations with people. I know someone who despises
00:20:55
Speaker
X because of like, you know, the fact that he was abusive towards a lot of women and You know, he does kill people. He had a very dark past, you know, so here's a stand-up guy Yeah, you know, um, it's a good dude I'm gonna let you know what kind of guy so anyways We were having this conversation. I went, you know, I you're right. This is a really bad person even if they tried fixing their
00:21:20
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you know, their whole, their whole life, you know, by doing whatever a bunch of kind, gracious deeds. And then immediately after that, I walked back into my car and I started playing look at me by X because it's a good song. I know what's going to stop me from listening to it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's where like, you know, it's separation of art from the artist does, you know, like, uh,
00:21:46
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I don't know, like a little anecdote.
Diverse Music Tastes
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Speaker
JK Rowling's kind of a really crappy person, but it would be like Harry Potter. Yeah, they're like, oh yeah, Harry Potter. Well, it goes for a lot of mainstream artists, whether they be like actors or, you know, comedian. Wait, what did JK Rowling do? Authors. A lot of different things. A lot of different things. Also, she keeps like,
00:22:13
Speaker
changing stuff about like, she'll like say like, Oh, Hermione was black the whole time. Guys, didn't you know? Did she read the book? She wrote the book. Yeah. I mean, does that, does that make the author a bad person? Or does that just, no, no. She like goes back on what she's saying for attention. For like fitting into the door. Yeah. Yeah. Like even, you know,
00:22:41
Speaker
Like, you read the book and you're like, okay, you know, this is literally a white person. Like we know this because she's described. I thought Hermione was a redhead. What? You heard it first. Hermione's not white. She's a redhead. Yeah. I don't see the difference. Yeah. She's not human. She's a redhead.
00:23:13
Speaker
But yeah, I agree. You gotta separate the artists from the art, because people have done bad stuff. Like, Vango has done so many bad stuff, people are like, his art is so... ...bussing! On the critically f***ing bussing! Equivocally f***ing bussing, my friend!
00:23:35
Speaker
Yeah, I'm like, you just gotta, like, you don't know what people have gone through, but they will still create amazing pieces of art. And it will like live their history. You know your name, you know the name, not the story. Yes, yes. I sound so good. Hi. You know my name, not my story.
00:23:51
Speaker
Yeah, you're like writing like a key. What do you mean I sound high? Anyways, Connor, what's your favorite? Well, you did say she's not white. She's a redhead. Okay. No, that's not what I said. No, no, no, no. That is what you said. Okay. You know what? It's fine. Connor, what's your favorite genre, bro? My favorite genre is probably rock and metal.
00:24:19
Speaker
So I'm assuming rock and metal aren't the same thing. Is metal more of a like? Like like steel, steel and aluminum. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really into that. Chrome titanium. Yeah. I've heard you dial in titanium. I know Mr. Wood's a huge devil in titanium. Yeah. Yeah. Good.
00:24:50
Speaker
Oh, I didn't know if there was a follow-up to that or not. I listed my things, but... I like the instruments. I like rhythms in that sense, and I like the sound of the instruments that can make them rhythms, as opposed to where it's like hip-hop or rap or pop or whatever. They're all kind of bland to me.
00:25:20
Speaker
Yeah, I like the energy too. You know, they're pretty intense, or just, I guess you could, I guess you say upbeat, but it's listens to do music all day long. The composer like Mark
00:25:44
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his name is zucker zucker birch i was uh yes i've heard of him hey yeah what um can i come inside no no i can hear your car
The Popularity of Remixes
00:26:01
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outside my window wait wait wait wait yeah you just honked oh no no no okay
00:26:12
Speaker
But yeah, usually also the lyrics of the songs that I listen to too, I enjoy as well. They're generally of more meaning. Do you have a favorite first? And then also like... Yeah, especially my favorite line is... Not much of that stuff, but like... You have the same energy.
00:26:38
Speaker
And then also like 80s songs in general, like 80s, like popular songs are my favorite. Would you consider Linkin Park? What do you consider Linkin Park? Well, it depends because some of their songs are like pretty grunge or rock. But then every now and then they're just like in emo bands as well.
00:27:06
Speaker
I'm not gonna lie, there's some Linkin Park songs that are really good. They are, a lot of their songs are good, but I feel like they're also on the same level as My Chemical Romance, kinda. Oh, man. In the sense of what they, like... Portray. What they sing about, yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay. I can, I don't know, cause I used to listen to that a lot when I was way, way younger, back in my emo days.
00:27:31
Speaker
Back in my emo days is when I would literally- He's only been alive for like, not even- Yeah, you're talking as if you're like, back in the- back in your old whippersnappers. Okay, no, I mean like, like- Back when candy bar used to come to nickel. Back in the back of my day, of course it was a nickel! No, back in my day, a nickel was a nickel.
00:27:55
Speaker
Oh yes, I remember those days. No, Noah. Noah, a nickel can be whatever it feels like it wants to be. Yeah, it doesn't matter what it actually is. You can't assume the nickel's gender. Yeah. The nickel could be a he or a she whenever she wants. The economy wasn't busted.
00:28:21
Speaker
It is horrible, it is horrible. This is not car buying season. This is not car buying season. This is not house buying seasons. Bro, I'm gonna buy both right now. I'm telling you right now, it is not busing. It is not busing. It indeed is not busing. My parents want to buy that new, that new Mustang, the Mach-E. The not Mustang, yeah.
00:28:42
Speaker
I mean, okay, yeah, Ford would disagree, but yeah, they're like, who are they to say? They have no authority over what's in the city. You have no power here. Speaking of the UFO power here, this Star Wars soundtrack, banger. Dude, which one? Attack of the Clones, the Arch of the Clone Army.
00:29:11
Speaker
Don't know you know that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dude. That one's you know, they're like trap remixes of those They actually kind of are pretty wrong. I'm telling you trap remixes hit hard that like okay, but okay, I don't consider remixes
00:29:33
Speaker
You're considering that the remix is a better version of the already existing song. I would not say that. I would just say it's a different form. At what point is it a remake and at what point is it a new song? Because we talked about sampling.
00:29:50
Speaker
I mean, sampling is using similar audio or the same audio, but different lyrics. I think it's because they credit the song, you know? No, in a remix, not in a sample. True.
00:30:12
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And in a remix, they kind of make the focal point, the original song, and they just add to it, if that makes sense. True. Or they change the genre. Because listen, when I was in high school, I would listen to a lot of trap remixes like before soccer games and stuff like that. And if I would get the same song and it wasn't a trap remix, it'd be like a sad love song, you know? But they kind of convey different things.
00:30:38
Speaker
Yes. So does it count how much a different medium is required to count as a medium? Well, I mean, there's some times where it'll be the same song, but like they'll add it, they'll bring like a featurette, and like the person will remix it some way.
00:30:52
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and the song is like a million times better and that usually happens whenever Cardi B's and whatever but like I'm just saying like I'm just gonna say like there's like little there's a Lil Nas X song in EP7 with uh like uh it was a rodeo it had Cardi B originally and then they brought in Nas and it was like a banger when Nas came because he actually knows how to music you know if you guys didn't know Ayush is absolutely addicted to Nas
00:31:21
Speaker
Uh, no, I'm not. That is so not true. That is so not true. No, no, there's actually like one or two songs of his that are good. Other than that, I don't know. He's just a meme now. Okay. Panini is actually a good song. Panini actually tells a good song. It tells a good story, but like people only like him now cause he's a bandwagon. Cause he's a, yeah, he's a meme honestly.
00:31:51
Speaker
I mean, everyone says they like him just because everyone else says they like him. That is so true. I only like Old Town Road if I'm being completely honest. I think Old Town Road is good because it changed the formula. Like it just was different. Like it's something people have. I was wondering like what is country and what is not because because in the charts it was
00:32:15
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I would argue that Lil Nas X is a one-hit wonder. Like, I would say that because so far he has not. I am outside. I don't care for any of his new stuff. And by new stuff, I mean there's two new songs that weren't a part of his first album. There's two new? I thought there was only one new. Well, the winter one, and then the song. Oh, no. Oh. Yeah, I only listened to the winter one. Connor, can I come inside? No, get out. God damn it.
00:32:46
Speaker
What would make you think that that's what we want? What made you think that that was going to work? Jacob, don't even try. God damn it. He's pretty nearby, Jacob. He's pretty close. I will call the police. I will call the cops. No, I'm kidding. I wouldn't call the cops on you. He would call ICE. Oh, there it is. There it is. The joke had to be there somewhere. It was coming.
00:33:15
Speaker
Yeah, I'm surprised nobody was like, I'm surprised you don't like mariachi, Jacob, cause you mix- Dude, I like mariachis. I'm gonna be honest, mariachi smacks. Dude, when I'm- I love their instruments. Don't be upset with the stereotype if you're a part of it.
00:33:33
Speaker
You can't be like, oh my gosh, everyone just assumes. I was surprised that you guys didn't make the joke. Yes. Jacob just listens to Despacito like all day long. Bro, I used to know the lyrics. I was going to perform Despacito. What?
00:33:53
Speaker
Where are you going to perform it? At our coffee house. Where were you going to perform it? We were like, we're the belgietals and we didn't even know. We had no context. We were like, we're going to do music. Remember when we were going to do music? That's crazy.
00:34:18
Speaker
Yes, the Valjules did exist. They still do exist. So please explain with the Valgeno's arts to someone who wouldn't know. Speaking of some of the greatest music ever, Finneas and Ferb is honestly, cartoon-wise, some of the best music ever made. It is so good. The other was in anime.
00:34:41
Speaker
Shut up, Jacob. That's not... No. Anime's not real animation. I mean, I'm just saying... Anime's not real. Yeah. Anime's a figment of your imagination. All I'm saying is... Anything that's a direct result... You've been in the psych ward for 10 years. Anime's not real. That giant explosion back in 1945 can't be that good.
00:35:12
Speaker
Yeah, the radiation had to have messed with them somehow. Yeah, that's fine. I know that for sure. You know, the dominoes falling from Hiroshima and Nagasaki to anime is... it's there. It's there. It exists. I'm sure anime was already a thing by then, honestly, but... No, they were pretty cool back then.
Music and Travel Anecdotes
00:35:37
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I'm just saying I've been to Japan it's a pretty cool place but like food-wise amazing other than that I'm sorry this is not really much they can control sure I mean yes I went to Osaka and to Tokyo but in between I took stops have you Tokyo is not
00:35:59
Speaker
But I want to. I've been to Tokyo and Osaka, but in between I took stops in Tana... I don't know what it's called actually. Can we square when you were in Tokyo?
00:36:15
Speaker
Is that a huge place with the... It looks like Times Square, but it's Japanese. Yeah, it's got a giant ass crosswalk. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of giant ass crosswalks in Japan. That is very true.
00:36:30
Speaker
Okay, anyways, music. Connor, so who would you say is your favorite artist? Okay, so I have two really, really good artists that I listen to on the regular. And that is Avenged Sevenfold and Ninja Sex Party.
00:36:50
Speaker
Oh, NSP is so good. NSP is so good. Okay, speaking of remixes, NSP makes some of the best. They have the best covers. They're so good. I actually like their covers better than the original songs. Yeah, I know. They did take on me so much better. Does that kind of music? Yeah, because they actually change. It's the same lyrics, but they actually change the music. They changed it. Like that cover of
00:37:19
Speaker
the cedar cover of uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
00:37:52
Speaker
Yeah. And then also like all the 80s hair bands are really good in my opinion. Like Ozzy Osbourne stuff, ACDC, Metallica. They're all pretty great. I like listening to all their stuff. Yeah. You guys are mean. You didn't even want to say hi.
00:38:17
Speaker
dude bro it's 11 we are we're talking right we're literally talking yeah is that bad yeah what anyways um if i had to say i i have one artist who who i kill keep very dear to my heart
00:38:47
Speaker
Good ol' Michael Jackson. King of Pop. Yeah, he has some pretty good songs too. I mean, he's the only artist. He's the only artist who's made an album that I can listen to the entire thing. Like, the entire thing I can listen to and not feel like skipping it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I do.
00:39:15
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just saying like he's a multi-generational artist who is somehow still very relevant Like my parents listened to them and they went to his concerts and stuff and now I've listened to him and I Can't I can't get his concerts with Yeah Yeah
00:39:43
Speaker
Also, I wasn't born. So I wasn't born? Yeah, I wasn't born when he was doing his concerts. Unfortunately, unfortunately. He was on his latter end of his life. I have a question that Ephraim, one of our previous guests, actually posted to me a couple days ago.
Michael Jackson's Legacy
00:39:58
Speaker
He said, if you could go to any concert back in time, which one would you go to? Michael Jackson, Thriller, 1991, I think. I think I had some pretty good concerts, dude.
00:40:09
Speaker
No one will ever be as popular as him ever again, I don't know. Yes, honestly. Him just walking on that stage? Literally everyone knew him. He was a showman. He was an incredible music composer. He literally could. He literally knew exactly what was going on, multiple parts, and he could all think of it as his head.
00:40:28
Speaker
while you know while working and dancing like a god yeah yeah that's smart um he got plastic surgery which is kind of okay i guess well he had a skin condition yeah he had a skin condition it was okay yeah
00:40:50
Speaker
But yeah, Michael Jackson is just like music it would not be the same without him He fostered a genre which turned into The current Yeah, yeah, but then we also devolved because we're dumb and we're dumb we are
00:41:11
Speaker
and then you get cardi b you know nobody yeah eighties eighties and probably like okay i'm gonna say it's like seventies and eighties were just top tier we're just so good it was so good i mean again i'm not a huge fan of beetles like i just don't like the beetles music they're all right do you guys like they were just not they were just the first ever to do the thing that they did which i think is what you guys think it's uh in this okay wait yes causing musicians to be so in the box because they have they're forced to because
Music Industry's Safe Formulas
00:41:41
Speaker
the industry sees one song. I wouldn't say Cardi B is necessarily in a box. She takes some very liberating strides when it comes to lyrics. Honestly, I feel like music had just gotten too safe. They're just following the same repetitive themes. Yeah, they're all the same.
00:42:00
Speaker
Yeah, and I think that's what's kind of annoying about music nowadays. Even though... The reason it's so safe is that the industry, are we not... Yeah, because the industry knows what works and what doesn't work, and they don't want to make music that doesn't work. I mean, yeah, they're still getting a whole bunch of money for it, so why not, right? Yeah, yeah. Why try something different? So I would say it's more of a consumer issue.
00:42:26
Speaker
yes people should be more willing to try new stuff generally people are just stupid and also there are a lot of people these days who don't uh who don't like they're not well versed in these theories and i think a traditional background in this area might be helpful in revamping music history
Understanding Music Theory
00:42:58
Speaker
I'm pretty sure he had music to read.
00:43:06
Speaker
Oh, he definitely knows his music. Yeah, yeah, you can tell. Yeah, he probably wanted to be the next week. I sure hope that a music artist would know a lot about music, but that's just me. No, that is so not true. A lot of the people you listen to probably don't either. I'm quite aware of that. No, yeah, yeah, I totally agree with Connor. I listen to people who I know don't have zero expectations. They came straight from Compton, and they know not a single thing about music, and they're just making music.
00:43:30
Speaker
I know someone who is there is there is marriage one and a half years like in early rap you know you got these people that are coming out of the out of the slums yeah yeah you know and and it's really heartfelt you feel but then you know as the production value for rap goes up because people like it because white people always steal black people music that's just a common thing that is true i agree it happened with
00:43:58
Speaker
jazz but jazz everything um white people just steal music and then they like well i don't know actually you the the prime example is jazz but i don't know i like black people jazz no there's white people jazz what why are we made
00:44:18
Speaker
Yeah, it was a part of the culture. That's just how it was back then. That's very true. But I like black people's plays. I mean, I'm just, yeah, like rap in my opinion has... You could say everything comes from jazz because jazz came, or was the building blocks of everything, but I feel like... Well, rock and jazz are different things. No, I'd say they're pretty similar.
00:44:46
Speaker
I'd say rock and jazz are almost more identical. Just tempo. People who say rap and jazz are the same or they're like deaf. They've never heard music before. Rap is so different from jazz. It may have like, I guess the idea may have come from it, but it's not even anywhere close. Rock and jazz are closer than raps and jazz. Yeah.
00:45:10
Speaker
Yeah, the only reason I think that jazz and not jazz rap is like in some way popular is because there's people who can relate to like people's stories and it's like sometimes not bad music. And the industry was like
00:45:29
Speaker
When it was first found in the rap industry, it was just something for all black people to have in common that was out there in the public. And it just became super popular for everyone to listen to. The other day I was watching, I don't know what I was watching, it was a movie.
00:45:50
Speaker
Straight out of comp, and that's what I was watching. Why do you forget that? I don't know. I was like, straight, something straight. And I'm like, yeah. And it was about how people didn't know how to tell their stories. And they started doing it through music, and it started working. And people all around the world started doing it. People threw it over through governments by singing music about how
00:46:19
Speaker
Yeah, it's just a very common thing to be able to do because music has gotten so accessible over the years.
Accessibility of Music Over Time
00:46:28
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And music is more accessible than it ever has been before, which I think is also another contributor to why we're all using music. It's so polished just because so many people can't demonstrate.
00:46:44
Speaker
Back in the Renaissance, in classical age, you had to be classically trained. You had to be super rich. You had to work under. Well, just on the instruments, yes. But you could just hire people to write the songs. Well, no, I'm talking about composers. Yeah, like back in the old days, like 1600 and stuff, you had to make your own music. That's the only resource they'd use.
00:47:11
Speaker
Yeah, and you had to know so much music theater. That's probably why all of them sound different, too Yeah, because each person has a hard music They'd like you could say they all sound the same because they use the same instruments, but really they're all very different. They are like you You look at a page that was used scale
00:47:39
Speaker
you know, they'll focus on different aspects. It's very interesting. Obviously, like I used to be studying it inside of the classes that we had. But it's very interesting to me. Yeah. Because I like knowing where my music came from. It was actually like, if like, there's some music
00:48:09
Speaker
like composers from, I was gonna say this when Jake was talking about Star Wars, I will, like just some music from movies that are so good that I would like, whenever I'm doing something that requires some sort of focus, I'll just put on that music, like soundtrack from movies, artists so good. Soundtracks from TV shows, movies, they're good because they usually don't have lyrics, so they're good for background music, stuff like that, you know.
00:48:34
Speaker
Yeah, because you don't your brain isn't dual processing multiple tasks. Like I'll just put on some Hans Zimmer and just start doing homework. Like it's just it just it just so it's so good. Let's be listening to like the interstellar soundtrack and be like, yes, I am currently landing a starship. Michael Giacchino or I don't know how to. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're talking about dudes. It's amazing.
00:49:02
Speaker
Yeah. He actually learned from, he's basically the modern John Williams because he literally, he was John Williams' protege. Who was John Williams? John Williams is the guy that did Star Wars. Oh, he pretty much did every big movie. Indiana Jones. He did Superman. The original one, you know that. He did Harry Potter, right?
00:49:28
Speaker
He did do Harry Potter, yeah. Yeah, he did Harry Potter. So Henwick's theme, that's all he did. Danny Elfman is also pretty good.
00:49:35
Speaker
Danny Elfman is the good guy. Wait, did Michael Giacchino, did he do the Transformers soundtrack? He did not. I think you're thinking of Michael Bay, who directed it. No, no, the music. He did not do the music for Transformers. Really? Oh man, the Transformers music is so good. I think Hans Zimmer did the music for Transformers. Did he? Okay. I think so. I have more respect for Hans Zimmer. Don't quote me on that. Don't quote me on that because I really don't know about that. I will be so surprised if he does Hans Zimmer because he has an art style. His music is just different.
00:50:08
Speaker
Um, like the whole Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, I'm also like coming into the whole like listen to an album thing too. Yes I would just find songs that I liked on YouTube and you like and literally Google songs that are similar to and then put the song title and then just find songs like that Only recently that I actually started listening to like specific artists and albums like normal people do I guess
00:50:38
Speaker
i mean yeah i guess that goes back to like music is just super accessible you can just you can literally look up music from this and this and you'll find it and you'll be like oh yes i
Nostalgia and Music Censorship
00:50:50
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would listen to this now um but yeah movie like movie soundtracks and
00:50:58
Speaker
classical music. I will put music from Fallout because, oh my god, it's so good. Okay, what's that era of music? There was a lot of music censorship, which means lyrics had to be very, very poignant about what they were saying by not saying
00:51:22
Speaker
They were saying like what's that song? You're telling me uranium fever is not poignant. Well, it slips about mining uranium It's literally just I'm going a mighty uranium my back Oh, oh, yes, my rocket 69. Yes. Yes pistol back in mama. I want you to ride my
00:51:46
Speaker
Rockin' 69, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Rockin' 69. And that's, you know, it's the one about the murderer. Oh, oh, Butcher Pete? Yeah, Butcher Pete. Butcher Pete! Let's go! That's about an actual murderer. That's about a guy who's a home writer. Yeah. Man, follow music is so peaceful. And then you have like some Frank Sinatra in there. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:52:17
Speaker
Yes, very, very good music. Yeah, which is another thing. Now we don't have music censorship. Not to the same extent, at least. People literally say whatever they want. They can't say whatever they want. Yeah, they take that to an extreme degree.
00:52:47
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. Honestly, I think that's one of the reasons why the lyrics nowadays are just kind of so bad because they're making it so obvious what they're trying to say. Like the people, like you can't even figure out what people are trying to say anymore. They're just like making it so clear. Depends on the artist, bro. It's like poetry, how poetry doesn't say exactly what it means. You have to figure it out for yourself. You have to mull it over. And it's the same thing with older music.
00:53:15
Speaker
Yeah. You had to start by figuring out what it was saying. Hotel California is about them being on drugs. Yeah. It's not actually about a hotel in California where they get stuck and can't leave. It's about drug addiction. It's about drug addiction. 25 or 6 to 4 by Chicago. Oh, yeah. That's a great point. It's not actually about it. It's literally about sitting on the floor. It's not about drugs.
00:53:41
Speaker
because they were trying to figure out what their last song for the album was going to be and so they're sitting cross-legged on the floor 25 or 64 because that's the time that when they check the watch when they ask what time it is etc etc you know there's quite a bit of interpretation that has to go in to figuring out
00:54:13
Speaker
Yeah yeah that's uh yeah yeah music has just gotten kind of this monotone nowadays at least.
Repetitiveness in Modern Music
00:54:21
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I mean I think it depends on who and what you listen to personally. I mean yeah I agree actually yeah. It can get quite repetitive at sometimes if if you're you know your genres are more focused or like bland or like
00:54:37
Speaker
If you're like Outreaching music isn't that wide either like if you just listen to the same people all the time then because it go go run up a pop smoke song or something and It's literally just gonna be like the same. Thank you. I Mean, no, I just mean like theoretically It's gonna be the same song every time. He'll like say the same lyrics and
00:55:03
Speaker
Yes, rest in peace, but yes, that's true. Hey, he was only in the music thing for like a year and a half. That's what most artists, they're like, they weren't in it too long. And then they went, yeah. Like he had nothing to do with music, but one day someone would like, yo, you got a nice voice. And he goes, bow! And then all of a sudden, you need to guard it. Yeah, I agree. Actually, it just depends on, like,
00:55:32
Speaker
I would argue that right now, present day rap is the most popular music just because it's more relatable or whatever it is. Relatable? I take drugs and I'm sad. No, because they have access to drugs, they will say they'll take drugs. But if it's a normal person, they'll just say I'm sad. I'm just saying most of the time, it's a similar concept.
00:55:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, you're just sad. And you're just like, I want to hear this guy talk about how he said so that I can feel the same way. Yeah, basically. And like, I just, I know it's, again, it's me, personal opinion, music's about personal opinion. It's the ear of the beholder, right? And people have their own thoughts on it. And rap music nowadays is just,
Current Rap Music Opinions
00:56:28
Speaker
Not good. I would agree with that. Yeah. This is a mostly true statement. I would disagree personally. Like Mrs. Jackson. I forget this part. I'm sorry, Mrs. Jackson. I am for real. Which has an amazing cover, which came out recently.
00:56:53
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called I shitted in my pants and I'm sure you've heard it I'm sure you've heard this wonder I'm sure I have yeah I'm sure I have too but the title is a little misleading
00:57:11
Speaker
Yeah, I don't really listen to music that talks about how they defecate it. It's in allegory, actually, so it's not about what you think it's about. Well, if you look at the title and it says I shit my pants, I don't think I can do it. Yeah, I want to listen to that right now. I want to hear what you're saying. Well, I'm assuming that Noah is a man of culture and he doesn't, you know, listen to the equivalence of wap. Yes, the pure art form.
00:57:37
Speaker
Um, yeah, there's one Doja Cat song that I kind of like. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What is it? No, I don't like that song, nevermind. I'm trying to think of how uncultured I am, if I'm uncultured. I mean, if it's any consolation, I like T-Pain. Oh, what's wrong with that? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, T-Pain's actually good. What? Yeah, you're talking about I'm on a boat.
00:58:07
Speaker
yeah yeah because he has a good voice yeah he does and he seems like he actually knows what he's doing okay honestly if you listen look up like t-pin music without his autotune he has a really good voice i don't know why he puts autotune on when he has such a good voice because it's the popular thing to do yeah but no like he may be popular though i'm sure he'd be more popular if he didn't use autotune yeah try that one thing traviska is
00:58:33
Speaker
He's somewhat current. He's not making any current music. He's like maybe eight years ago, more relevant. But he's still pretty good. What else I listened to the other day? Peeping. It was a really good song.
Vinyl Records Comeback
00:58:57
Speaker
Oh, I was listening to buy you a drink. Yeah, that's what it was. So Ayush, what is your favorite genre? I don't think we... Okay, when people ask for my favorite genres, I will listen to anything except for country music. I'll listen to anything that
00:59:13
Speaker
that sounds like music
00:59:31
Speaker
There's like a couple of J. Cole ones, but I'm not a huge J. Cole fan because I feel like he's just way too direct at what he's trying to say. I don't want to hear about how he got abused when he was a kid and stuff like that. I'm just not into that. I don't care about his story. Give me the music. Don't tell me the story. I will listen to some 80s and 90s rock and I just dabble as much. You cannot put me in one genre. You're a floater.
01:00:01
Speaker
Yes, I'm a juggler. Whatever I feel like listening, I listen to. And I am proud to be like that because I think it's the beauty of music. You don't have to listen to one thing and be secluded to one thing. You can be, you know, explorative with how you listen to music. If you don't like it, then don't listen to it. It's just super easy. That's fair. Yep.
01:00:32
Speaker
um but yeah um thriller uh if you ever if you're ever gonna give me a birthday gift i want thriller on vinyl on vinyl you have a i already have a birthday gift for you oh yeah you have a record player are you
01:00:50
Speaker
Yeah, my dad got, where am I told you? He got like one of those monitors. He got like one of those monitors. I was wondering if you had Pink Moon, Dark Side of the Moon. Yeah, Dark Side of the Moon. We're coming over and we're just like listening to it. Oh yeah. You're turning on the gamer lights. Just turn on the hi-fi? Oh yeah.
01:01:09
Speaker
just like chill like this sound bath yeah and i think that one of the awesome things about vinyl is you just get that raw experience like just pure music like i don't really know how to explain it like it just sounds so good like people think it sounds grainy and it sounds like off but oh no it's like it sounds so good no it's actually a pretty
01:01:34
Speaker
It's apparently the best form of music. It is really, really cool. I love it. You know how in older movies you can see the film grain? It's like that. There's something comforting about that presence. Oh yeah, definitely. Like you know this thing is like, it's ancient but it has quality. It still holds its worth.
01:02:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's time for me to go to bed, man. All right. I think we should continue this because I don't think we're done. We could do a part two of this. I agree, personally, yeah. There was a lot going on there.
01:02:26
Speaker
I feel like we didn't finish well, but I do think it's time to head out as well. It's pretty good. Yes, it is. He's probably at my house right now. He's literally just outside your house still. Unfortunately, I don't want to. I gotta take care of some stuff. Let's take care of some things. Some things.
01:02:46
Speaker
um but yeah thank you all for for listening no i mean like to our music like we just cut it here and then just add more or we can make a part two we can make a part two it's already an hour i feel like we have quite a bit of like we got it's almost an hour of stuff
01:03:03
Speaker
For sure. Yeah, thank you so much for watching. Thanks for watching. I'm looking at a different sponsor, which I'll tell you guys if we get accepted. Yes. I'm thinking of doing Grammarly, because they... Wow. Yeah, I know. Because they got some pretty good rates, which I think would be pretty... Again, we're acting for the money, but... Yeah. We're not here for the money. We're here for the show. One for the money, two for the show. Two for the show. We're acting the show.
01:03:33
Speaker
We are the show. We are a show. We are DaBaby. We are DaBaby. Yes.