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Ep. 44: Faith, Dating, and Finding Your Purpose with 5-Time Bestselling Author Annie Mayfield Morlock
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Join Laura as she sits down with Annie Mayfield Morlock, 5-time Amazon bestselling author and host of the Made to Shine podcast. In this powerful conversation, Annie shares her journey from anxiety and people-pleasing to finding her identity in Christ. Discover how to shine God's light in secular workplaces, navigate Christian dating with intention, and reframe anxiety as a signal to turn back to God. Annie reveals why "you're most qualified to serve the person you once were" and challenges the myth that ministry is only for pastors. Whether you're struggling with purpose, dating, or living authentically in your faith, this episode offers hope and practical wisdom for Christian women ready to step into their calling.
🔥 Powerful Quotes from This Episode:
"Follow Jesus more than you follow followers of Jesus"
"Your ministry is when you go into your corporate job on Monday"
"Jesus Christ is your other half - find someone who realizes that too"
Perfect for: Christian women, faith-driven entrepreneurs, anyone struggling with purpose, dating, anxiety, or living authentically in their faith.
📚 Annie's Books: Available on Amazon & Barnes Noble
🎧 Made to Shine Podcast: Available on Spotify, YouTube & anywhere you stream
🌐 Annie's Website: www.anniebmayfield.com
📱 Instagram: @anniemmay
▶️ YouTube: youtube.com/@anniebmayfield
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Transcript
Introduction & Mission
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Speaker
Welcome back to Mamas Who Lead. I'm your host, Laura Carafino, and today we have someone special joining us, Annie Mayfield-Morlach. She is a five-time Amazon bestselling author, and she's a corporate account executive and a host of the Made to Shine podcast. And that streams in like 80 countries. She's been featured on Forbes and the NYC journal, and she's a written seven, seven, seven books, all with one mission to remind us how divinely loved We are so we can shine God's light in everything we do. So welcome, Annie, to the show. Thank you, Laura. I'm so excited to be here. i love what you're doing, the mission you're about, just, you know, reminding everyone of their purpose and to go after it. And so it's such an honor and I'm excited for this conversation today.
00:00:53
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Me too.
Overcoming Challenges
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I'm so excited. And Annie, can we start like with your journey? Like you're doing so many things, corporate work, writing, pocket is there anything you don't do right now? but so ah How did, how did all this journey begin for you?
00:01:10
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Yes. No, I love that question. Um, so growing up, I guess, goodness, I would start In high school, I was always someone that I loved doing a lot of things. um I just find that if I, for example, in high school, I loved playing sports. I loved just being a part of a lot of different things because I felt like it made me better at each thing that I did. i saw the Lord in different ways and different avenues, which then helped me show up better to everything that I committed to. um So went to college, played sports in college.
00:01:43
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I was a very... anxious, very anxious child. And then that led into my teen years and into my college years, someone that really struggled with, why am I here?
00:01:57
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Why do I do what I do? um what's the purpose behind it to use what I know the questioning you ask a lot of people so often. And, you know, just in the grand scheme of things, like I was just someone that could really fixate on potential hypothetical scenarios and how things were going to go. And that anxiety was something that kind of developed into different avenues of my life. One of them being anxiety. I struggled a lot with an eating disorder in high school, something that shaped me a lot personally, developed me a lot as a young girl. And it was all kind of according to this belief that I had to earn my worth and earn my love and earn my value with what I did. And I share that because it's so easy kind of hearing an introduction like that and thinking like, everything's great. And that's how I got here today. I think the anything that's been great in my life has come from a lot of years of things and not being great and the Lord redeeming those years and teaching me things that have resonated with a lot of people that are where I was. And so in college,
00:03:00
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And when I was really struggling with anxiety, I got into self-development books. I mean, Mel Robbins, Tony Robbins, you know, all just the the great Brendan Burchard. And I was like, wow, these are really helping. These are amazing.
00:03:14
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At 18, I ended up writing my first book, which was a self-development book solely because I saw there was... not really a lot of authors my age. And I was like, man, there's probably a whole demographic of people that would never resonate because they don't see themselves in the author. I say that my books, you mentioned i have seven. What's really special to me about my books is they're beautiful representation of my faith journey. It started as like, I am my hero, you know, i can help myself. My first book was called Be Your Own Hero. If I could go back and change that title, it would be like, be the best you under the fact that God's your hero. Like I just, my
Corporate Career & Passions
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entire book progression has been moving from self-development to faith development and really finding your ultimate purpose and confidence under what I believe to be Jesus Christ, our Lord. And from there in that space, you can operate and handle so much more.
00:04:08
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um And so all that to say, started writing in college, very quickly wrote my next couple of books, um but then also have a full-time corporate job. I'm a believer that like you, you very much, well, say it this way.
00:04:23
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I would not say that I went into corporate America because I was like, I want to be in corporate America. A lot of it was out of necessity when I graduated school. But I think we can all learn from that because I imagine there's people listening to you that are like, I am doing this thing because it pays the bills, but my purpose is all this other stuff. It's the it's my blog. It's my books. It's my groups. it's i And i I'm a big believer that your purpose in life doesn't have to be your full-time job. I think your job can be the thing that moves the vehicle to be able to live out your purpose. Sometimes your purpose is the the job that you do full time, um but that's just not been my story. And
Made to Shine Podcast Evolution
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so that's kind of a quick snapshot of how I got here, where I am right now. But all that to say, big believer in um and God being the thing that fuels you to be able to accomplish the purpose that he has for you on earth.
00:05:12
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I love that. And i love it like seven books at at such a young age. It's just incredible. And i mean, it's just amazing because not a lot of people do, you know, start, you know, let me write a book when they're in their early 20s to even 30s, you know. um But can you can you walk us through like walk us through through them? And like, what's the most common thread that you think ties them all together?
00:05:41
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So that's a great question. um First book was Be Your Own hero Second book, I really got into writing devotionals. So books like 2, 3, 4, or 2, 3, and 5, they're all devotionals. um I think the common thread that...
00:05:56
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links them all together, which is something I could think can speak to anyone when they want to do anything to hopefully impact people. They were written from a place of vulnerability. You know, it's not coming from, Hey, this is all the stuff I did right. Let me share it with you. That that's the opposite of what those were. I feel like my books, if anything, um kind of adhere to this concept of your most qualified to serve the person you once were. And that's been my North star with anything that I've done. I recognize I cannot speak to a lot of people in this world because for example, I've never had kids. I've never, um you know, there's just some things that like, I don't have expertise on and I own that, but there are some things that I've been through that can help people that again, are where I was, you know, like a young girl struggling with confidence, a young woman struggling with, with owning her faith in a world that can have a lot of darkness. Like,
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I felt all those things before. And so I think the common link between all my books is just navigating owning what I haven't done well, but how the Lord's taught me and brought me out of those and hoping those can help some people bypass a lot of the long routes of healing that I had to take just from all of my mess ups.
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And, you know, and I don't know if you've thought of this or not, but like whenever you were speaking, it made me think of because I have a daughter, have one daughter and five and four boys. and Wow. Oh, my gosh. That's amazing. Yeah. um But your books and everything, you you know, you do could be kind of a guiding light guiding light for moms to refer their daughters to that are young. young adults um because my daughter's in her 20s and i know like i was looking at some of your books and on the devotionals i'm like oh she'll love this she'll love this this is what she needs so oh that's so it's funny you say that i um i have found that for me uh with a lot of the moms i do interact with like on instagram and things that is that's the case they're looking at things for their daughters and i know one day like god willing i'll be in that boat which where i have kids and I'm looking towards people that have things that I can give my children and equip them with. So that's so funny you say that because that is absolutely something I recognize. And I think it just all goes back to it's like owning where you are and what your story is and being okay with what it's not and not trying to be something and speak from a place that the Lord hasn't put you in that position yet. Because there are people out there you can impact, but I feel like you're less likely to find them if you're trying to step into an outfit that you've never worn before or aren't quite there yet to fit out for.
00:08:33
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i I love all of that. And i agree. i think that's, like I said, like i you know, I really think it's really good for young adults and, you know, parents parents can refer their kids to some of these, um, your products that you're offering, because I think it's just an incredible message that they need right now. And, um, you also have a podcast, um,
00:08:57
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Yes. So can you tell us about made to shine? What's the vision behind the podcast and what do you want listeners to experience when they're listening? Oh, um,
Faith in Corporate Settings
00:09:09
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I think for me, so Made to Shine started again as a self-development podcast. It was like, you know, I think my first episode was on time management or something that was just very like own your day. And I still, I love, I'm all about self-development. I think now though, I just recognize like, wow, if you don't marry that with it you know, faith is some capacity for me. If I don't marry that with my faith, it just hasn't gotten me there very far. So now the mission of Made to Shine, it really morphed into more of a faith development podcast. And its mission is to remind every single person, like you have a ministry. It's not just for preachers and pastors on Sundays. Like your ministry is when you go into your corporate job on Monday. Your ministry is when you take care and you change those diapers as a stay-at-home mom on Tuesday night, or a full-time working mom changing diapers in between shifts. Like you...
00:09:57
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Your ministry is the way you shine God's light in literally any space he's trusted you with, whether that's checking out at CVS going to the beach on a vacation and talking to the person that's driving your cab. Like that's your ministry. And I feel like what I hope people experience with my podcast is an empowerment and a reminder of like, you matter. Your voice matters. Your space matters. What you're doing in your life matters.
00:10:21
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And just because it's not on a platform or speaking in front of 50,000 people is doesn't mean it doesn't have this massive significance with where God's trusted you in this moment. And so I want it to empower, but also challenge them to own that and to walk out in that and really like own the space that God's given them and and steward it well.
00:10:42
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It's so good. And you've had some really incredible guests too on your show as well. It's so exciting. um So if you guys are listening, go and listen to her podcast and I'll put the show, I'll put the link in the show notes too for you guys so that you can go and listen to it right after you listen to this episode.
00:10:59
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um You're welcome. And so you also you're you work in corporate America as well. So that's more of a secular environment, right? Yeah. And how do you shine God's light in spaces where faith isn't always welcome or well understood? Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:18
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Goodness knows this has been the path of my life the past half decade. What's so interesting about corporate America and actually my next book right now, I am writing on specifically this. It's the Corporate Disciple. It's like how to shine God's light and specifically corporate America. um Because it's so funny. It's that place that I... I feel like it's my Nineveh. I call it like, you know how God kept sending Jonah to Nineveh and he was like, no, I don't want to go there. That's not for me. But there was so much work to be done. For me, that's how I kind of see my corporate career. I never really wanted to stay. i never wanted to be here, but doors kept opening. And for me, the way I look at shining God's light, it's not...
00:11:59
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hitting people over the head with Bible verses. It's not like saying, this is what God says about that. You know, you're doing this wrong. It's not walking around with measuring sticks, slacking people on the wrist when they mess up or judging people. I mean, the things I've seen, i am not only in corporate America, I am in sales.
00:12:16
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And then sales, there's a lot of things you see. i have seen, i mean, people go crazy drinking to the max at certain happy hours. And you just see a lot of things that in conduct that you're like, wow, you know, but the way I would would say this is,
00:12:34
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When you're in a space where there's not a lot of light and that's evident, being the light doesn't look like preaching at people with your words, but with your behavior and your actions and your attitude. And for me, the way I've been able, I hope to honor the Lord is being kind when no one else was. It's knowing my limits when no one else was putting limits on themselves. It was...
00:13:02
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feeling peace when all of the situation, all of the environment, everything that was going on, everybody else was freaking out. And it was being the kind of person that people were genuinely so confused by because they're like, why are you still joyful? Why are you so forgiving? Why are you doing business with integrity when it would be so much easier just to send the contract out this way and the client wouldn't know any different? Like, why does this matter to you? And it
Christian Dating Insights
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confuses people. But that confusion makes them slow down and wonder, what does she know that I don't? And that's the bridge to conversation. And I feel like we've missed that. We just feel like, and and I'll be honest, I've seen Christians in the corporate America environment that wear a cross necklace and they're
00:13:47
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also sending out not good contracts or getting super drunk and happy. yet And it's like, I feel like we need to start walking out as the church, the light of Christ in these spaces. And that doesn't look like spewing scripture verses at people. That looks like walking out in faith with our feet, with our actions and how we speak to people and what we do when no one else is watching. That will happen when people do watch to bridge those, that interest, that curiosity and that conversation. And hey,
00:14:14
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Why are you the way that you are? What do you know that I don't? And all the conversations I've gotten to have about Jesus and corporate cafeterias or whatever have you, it was because someone was genuinely asking me, like, tell tell me your story. Like, I'm just confused by you. Like, what do you know that I don't? And so that's how I think you'd be a light in a dark space.
00:14:37
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I'd be curious your thoughts too, but that's been my experience. Yeah, I definitely, i mean, i mean, it's been a hot minute since I've been in office environment, but ah it was the same type of thing, you know, you have to kind of, um you know, lead by example, you know, yeah yeah don't stoop, I guess, to the world ways and, you know, go with, lead with integrity and um Like you said, if, you know, contract, you could easily, you know, undermine it and don't, you you just send it how it's supposed to be. And yeah people will start, you know, being, seeing the true you and be quiet kind of question it. um
00:15:24
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I, yeah, I worked mostly in a male dominated environment back in the day. And so there was a lot, I mean, I could go into things about that too. yeah being a very young female and male dominant environment how they look at you and respect, like yeah respect you or don't respect you and those things. But if you carry yourself, you know, you are with God, like it will show and they will know not to cross the line with you as well in that environment.
00:15:55
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Now, do you have any advice? Like, what would you tell a Christian woman who feels like they have to hide their faith at work?
00:16:03
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I would be curious when they say hide their faith, what they mean by that. um Because i too have worked in a very male dominated industry. I've worked at companies where I'm the only female, um well, one of three in the entire office. And I say, just say that because I remember being at this one particular company where it was very apparent that like, you just, you didn't never showed anything personal. You didn't talk about anything personal. Like religion was off the table and every single capacity.
00:16:34
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I mean, i wouldn't even dare have like wear a cross necklace to this, to this, to this company. But again, hiding your faith, to me, faith is not the things outside of us that can be hidden.
00:16:51
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It's not the cross necklace. It's not it's not even like like the Bible, the word of God, right? That was written after Jesus. So like you take away all these things outside of us, a physical book, a necklace, ah a t-shirt that said, Jesus is God. Like you take away all these things outside of us.
00:17:10
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we are still the lights of the world because our light comes from the inside. And I think when it comes to like, in regards to hiding your faith, there might be circumstances where you cannot have certain things outside of you that might point to the fact you're a Christian. But I think my challenge there would be, but if you're in Christ and you have that light in you, light doesn't just decide to shine one day or not. The light, the sun is always shining because that's what it is. It can't help but shine. And so I think about like advice I would give that girl is I would just say, hey, like you're the light of the world in Christ. You don't turn it off or on because people say, if you're a light, that's just what you are. So when you walk into a room, that's just what you are You are light. You are kind. You are joy, patience, peace, understanding, gentleness. You are all the fruits of the spirit because that's what you are. And guess what?
00:18:01
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Like Jesus's name and all of that might not even pop up People might receive your kindness and your love because again, that's just who you are. And if that leads to a conversation, great. But I think we've confused what it means to walk in faith. To walk in faith has nothing to do with anything we could put on our bodies. or put on our computer screens or our phone screensaver. It has to do with the light shining within us, outside of us.
00:18:30
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And if we're in Christ, we can't turn that off because that's what we are. And so again, it's just walking out the attributes of what it means to be in Christ. Joy, patience, peace, gentleness, kindness, all of these things.
00:18:45
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And if that leads to a conversation, great. But You can't hide something that's just you. And that's what I would would challenge her on and and also encourage her with too.
00:18:56
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Absolutely. That is the best answer ever. And it's so true. Like just, you can't hide who you really are. So I, yeah, I don't, um I don't know how someone would be able to hide it. um All right. You've also talked about dating as a Christian in today's world. That has to be so hard right now. I haven't dated 27 So,
00:19:20
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so i I, you know, when I was listening, I'm like, man, that's got to be challenging today. But so what's your take on navigating the relationships with faith at the center?
00:19:31
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Oh, yeah. So it's so funny. i um I wrote a whole book on singleness, which... Like such a God story, of course, but the day I published that book is the day that my husband, now husband, asked me on a date. So it's just like the crazy, yeah, it was the wildest thing. But I um i wrote a whole book on singleness. and It was called Single Not Incomplete because I think for me, for the longest time, I was what I called a serial dater. I did for a decade. I was just in constant relationships. From 14 about dated...
00:20:05
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I think there was less than six months I wasn't in a relationship in that entire decade. So, I mean, it was like, I was just nonstop, but the motive was because I felt like as a woman, my worth came from having a boyfriend. It meant that you were pretty enough. It meant you were good enough. meant you were valuable enough. It meant you were desirable. And so as a young girl and in my high school years then my college years, not having a boyfriend wasn't an option because that meant I had to come face to face with the fact that I felt like I was never enough just as I was. And so i just, I search for these answers in guys and in relationships. And I think moving forward to when I, by God's grace, like I got out of my last year's relationship and I was very much like, okay, I'm here. I'm in this. Like i i do not want to be
00:20:54
Speaker
married to someone that I'm with just to make myself feel good enough. I want to be partnered with someone that truly drives me more to the Lord. And like, I'm better under my relationship with the Lord because I'm partnered with this person. And, oh, but it wasn't tough. i you know, i just, I made that decision and we talked about this before recording, but like the open the doors, close the doors prayer. I prayed that prayer. Like, please, if you want me to be in relationship, open the doors. If you don't close the doors,
00:21:23
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you know, famous last words, I didn't date for like two and a half years, nothing, just absolutely nothing. And it wasn't from lack of trying. I would like at times want to go on a date. Nope. Everything was just getting shut down. And dating as a Christian with faith in the center to loop back to your question.
00:21:41
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i think the most important thing that I could possibly communicate to someone is you want to date someone with a faith of their own.
00:21:52
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the faith of their own. When I left my first coffee date with my now husband, I remember thinking, I know I love the Lord and I love the Lord so much, but even just being with that man, i love how he loves the Lord. And I want to get to know the Lord even more because of the way he talked about God. And even now, I could not imagine, like my husband and 76% of our conversations is about God or pointing each other back to God. I don't know how you get through life with a partner that doesn't, can't do, now granted, the you know the Lord can work with anything, but like,
00:22:30
Speaker
the The blessing of being with someone that has a faith of their own, now married, the gift that gave me was I don't, when my husband says he's going to pray about it, he's going to pray about it. When my husband says, you know, i feel a dis-ease in this decision. I feel like the Lord hasn't given me peace. I trust that because I know he's talking to God. He's not just using that against me. Like my husband's relationship with the Lord as his own, he's not doing it for me.
00:22:58
Speaker
He's not going to Bible studies for me, go to small groups for me, going to church for me. He's not volunteering for me. And that takes me off the throne of being his God. Cause I think a lot of people date to find their God. I think a lot of people date to find the thing that's going to fix the holes in them. And they date to find someone that will complete them. Honey, you're only going to be complete under Christ. But through the love of Christ, God willing, you find someone that also loves Christ. You then come together and you become one. It's one plus one equals one, not one half plus one half equals one. And I think a lot of people look at themselves as a half. I'm looking for my other half.
00:23:36
Speaker
Jesus Christ is your other half. And you need to go find someone else that also realizes Jesus Christ is their half. And then you guys can come together and make a bigger impact. But that
Anxiety & Faith
00:23:46
Speaker
would be the thing that I would just first share with women. And I say that because i have...
00:23:52
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Sat through more conversations I can count with friends, with family, um with women that got into relationships. They ended up falling in love. There were so many feelings, but from the get go, that faith aspect wasn't there.
00:24:08
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And eight, nine, 10 months later, it's a brutal breakup when feelings get attached. And there was that little inkling up front, but but the faith aspect isn't there. That will be the stone that you trip on if you don't address that up front.
00:24:23
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And so I think like just up front knowing where's your faith at, I mean, i asked my husband that like on the first date. In fact, I wasn't even going to go on date with him. If I didn't, I met him through church. um But I just think you need upfront to know, like, are we aligned? Because you can fall in love with a lot of people, but are you aligned? Do you both want kids? Do you both believe in the same God? Do you both believe in the same God, same way? Like, do you both have the same values? I think that's what we need to do with Faith at the Center.
00:24:51
Speaker
Oh my goodness. I'm like, yes, yes. Amen. You're like, preach it. Taking on a tangent. I could talk about dating all day in this. coach But you know, that's a big thing. When I talk to, you know, some of my girlfriends are, you know, going through big divorces and I'm like, well, you know, talking about, and they're talking about dating and stuff now. And I'm like, well, you know,
00:25:12
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Let's, let's do the questions, you know, like find out where they're at. And so many people don't do that. They do not. I kind of, I kind of joke. My husband will tell you, I interviewed him like on our first date. Like, i yeah you know, I wanted to know what you believed in and. If we believe the same, if you believe, you know, like you were saying in your own relationship, like what is his own relationship with God is.
00:25:38
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And um like, do we want kids? home You know, all that kind of stuff. Like, and are we going to parent the same way? Like that was things I like vetted. Like every time I went on date, someone went did not match up with that, that was not happening. Right. And I think that, but I think that comes from,
00:25:57
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First, you've got to know who you are in Christ. Like when you know who you are and you know who, what you want, um I think it makes those conversations easier because I think a lot of us, the reason we we're afraid to ask those questions is we don't want to lose something that we actually don't have, but we we want and we hope we're going to have and we don't want to lose out on the potential of something. So we don't ask those questions because we're like, well, if this does lead to relationship, I don't want to freak them out and scare them off right now. so And I'm like, if it is a real relationship you want to be part of you're not going to freak them out because they're thinking the same questions. And um especially like with where I'm at right now, a lot of the friends I'm talking to, I'm like,
00:26:40
Speaker
What other purpose would there be for a man and a woman to want to get to know each other, if not to date to marry? Like, what else are you doing? And if that's, you know, if there's another intent just to date to date, that's fine. But I think you've got to be upfront about that. Like I told Hunter one of the first days, was like, I'm dating to marry. I'm not saying that's you, but I am saying, just so you know, that's my intent. Like I'm not just dating to play around. And so this is your intent. That's totally fine. But we're not on the same page. And I want to know that now before I invest my heart and time into this. And, you know, that would have stunk if he was like, yeah, you're crazy. You're asking too much, which I know some guys say that to girls, which is awful. But i also knew the pain of going through this and it leading to something bad because I didn't ask this up front versus the pain of just ripping off the bandaid and it
00:27:32
Speaker
you know, not working out right off the bat before I invested my time and energy. That was just such a lighter pain than having to go through a whole relationship just for it to end badly because I didn't have the guts to say the the hard things up front, you know?
00:27:46
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Yeah, it's, and you know, yeah, I think it's imperative that we do that. And I try to teach my my children to do that, to ask those hard questions up front. And I'm gonna have to get the book, Single Nut Incomplete for my daughter. Yeah. two i mean, she's... She's single. She's a senior in college. And she's, um it's it's so funny. She's like, Mom, these guys, today's guys are so, it's challenging. it is. It's particular, but. um It is challenging.
00:28:18
Speaker
What would you say, like, if, what are some red flags for Christian women to watch out for in the Sadeen world right now? That's a good question. i think red flags i would look out for is someone that doesn't, is not consistent in their planning and their follow-up. I just, ah like, i remember...
00:28:41
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And I've been in positions where I've been like on the apps and and and guys are just, they were so wishy-washy. It was like, mate yeah, let's just talk. And but there were never any plans. There was never any like, let's go to dinner. Let's. And then so that's something I would look out for is like, are you, is he actually making plans for you or you guys just talking online? Are you just Snapchat chatting? Are you just like Instagram DMing? Like, are you actually, is he actually making an effort to see you and put time and investment into this? Because it's very low lift for a guy to send a DM or Snapchat chat, but it's a lot more to make an investment in planning time, potentially money. So i think that's one I think the second thing is, um and i've always I've always said this, I'm just a big believer with good people around you, same for friendships, if something is a big deal to you, they will be sensitive to it and it will be a big deal to them. What I mean by this is, for example,
00:29:39
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Um, when I was, when Hunter and I were first, that's my husband, when Hunter and I were first dating, there were some girls in the church that were like flirting and doing things such as I wasn't, I wasn't comfortable with. And Hunter had done nothing wrong, but I remember being so nervous to tell him the first time, cause I didn't want to be looked at as like the crazy, jealous girlfriend, which I think a lot of girls can relate to.
00:30:03
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But I just wasn't comfortable. And I was so nervous. And I told him, and again, he did nothing wrong. But he didn't say, Annie, you're being crazy. This is no big deal. Annie, I'm not at fault. What do you want me to do? Which a lot of guys could have said. He said, because this is a big deal to you, this is important to me. What can I do to put boundaries in place to make you feel more comfortable? Like, you know, what what do you what do you need? What do you need from me? Do you need to look through my phone? do you I mean, like... I was so grateful just for that. The trust just went to the next level. And I just say that because I think a lot of girls, we are so sensitive in nature and in tune in nature. And if we feel a little off, we might feel like crazy for thinking something. And sometimes we bring that to friends or to boyfriends. And I've been in that position in the past and they do. They say like, you're overreacting. You're being ridiculous. Right.
00:31:01
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I've just learned if something's a big deal to you, they will at least be sensitive to it and they will be, they will honor you and having discussion about it. So i think a red flag would be someone saying, you're being crazy. They're not sensitive to what you're being sensitive to. So I think those are really my two biggest things. Like they make plans and then they take what you're, the feelings have and they're, it's important to them to talk through those.
00:31:24
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Hmm.
Daily Ministry & Purpose
00:31:25
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is really good. And and i would see, I would assume that like, it probably also triggers some anxiety too, when you're going through that and you're waiting to hear and hear back. but and it And we also deal with anxiety, like being moms and as well in in a different aspect, if you do, if you will, but how would you combat transitioning here conversation a little bit, yeah but how would you combat anxiety?
00:31:54
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with the truth of God. So it's so funny. I was actually just before this, I'm speaking to a group of high schoolers on Friday and I was like, what what is the universal high school experience right now? And I just feel like anxiety is that thing that that keeps coming up. And I heard this once and it forever changed the way I look at anxiety. So many of us look at anxiety as a bad thing. In fact, we look at it as us in a way not being faithful enough because there's that scripture verse. It's like, you know,
00:32:25
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Do not have anxiety, like cast your cares upon me. Like do not be anxious about anything, but in everything through prayer and petition, give your requests and make them known to God. And so we almost feel like I'm not being a good Christian because I'm anxious about this thing.
00:32:36
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And what this preacher, Megan Fate Marshman said, and it just really struck me. She's like, anxiety should be your signal just to turn back to God. It doesn't mean you're being a bad Christian. It doesn't mean you're doing something wrong. If anything, it's a really natural response to something you don't feel secure enough in yet for. And insecurity is a gift. Anxiety is a gift. It's a signal.
00:33:02
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I think about all the times in my day I'm anxious, which is a lot. I run very worried and anxious, as my mother would say. And for me, i I'm like, man, but if I looked at every time I got anxious as an opportunity to turn back to God, my relationship with the Lord is actually so much more.
00:33:23
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deeper and I have so many more connections and kind of like points of contact with him than if I never got anxious. Because if I never got anxious, I wouldn't need to go back to God for anything to him remind me of his goodness and his mercy and his grace and that he's got a plan it for my future and I don't have to figure it out. So anxiety, instead of it being a signal that, hey, you're failing as a Christian, just use it as a signal that the Lord's saying, hey, come look at me, come look at me. And that's not a bad thing. That's just us and our human nature needing to be reminded of God's goodness, which is a very good thing. thing. And when we're feeling insecure, that's also a great thing because that's us being reminded our security should not come from our ability to figure things out, from our ability to plan or fix our way into a more secure future. In our looks, in our money, in our performance, our security only comes from God. So we're feeling insecure, we're actually doing something right. We're just more aware of the fact that, hey,
00:34:19
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I'm aware that I'm trying to find security in this thing that's not making me feel secure. That's true because it will never make me feel secure. But now I need to turn back to God.
00:34:30
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So again, anxiety, insecurity, I now look at them and what I encourage people to do, just look at it as a signal, turn back to God, turn back to God. And your relationship with the Lord will actually deepen more so than if you never had those worries or those fears.
00:34:46
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Is there any um scripture particularly that you like to look at that kind of anchors you when you're going through having an anxiety and stuff? So do not fear for I am with you. Do not be dismayed for I am your God. um It's in Deuteronomy. I think the reason that I like that verse is because do not fear. When I first read that verse, again, i feel like I'm feeling as a Christian because I run very fearful. And so when I first read those verse that verse, I was like, man, I just, Lord, like, am I doing something wrong? Because you're telling me not to fear, but it's almost like I can't help it. but that second part for I am with you. See, it's so interesting because in scripture, God says, do not fear like 365 times. But then he says, fear me, like fear the Lord. And so you're like, well, what is it? Do I not fear? Or I mean, it can get, but see, that's the the part that's worth noting is what you fear.
00:35:43
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God's not saying don't fear at all. He's saying fear me because when you fear me, it puts into perspective everything else that you were afraid of. But when you look at me, you realize how much bigger I am than all those things. And I am good and I'm going to take care of you. So the reason I like that verse, do not fear for I am with you, that second part for I am with you, do not fear is not like God saying, stop doing that. He's saying, no, no, no, no look at me.
00:36:08
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Stop looking at that. Look at me. i I imagine like you have kids. i Again, I don't have kids, but I remember growing up There was a time that my brother cut his foot in the pool on glass and he had to get a shot in his foot. And he kept looking at his foot, which was like, you could see the bone. It was awful. And my dad just kept saying, look at me, look at me. Don't look at your foot. Look at me, look at me. it didn't make the pain go away. But what it did is it shifted my brother's focus to I'm looking at my dad, who's bigger than this thing, he's going to take care of this thing for me. And my dad loves me. So that verse reminds me, whatever it is, it's making me anxious, it's still there. But God's saying, look at me, look at me, because I'm going to take care of that for you. But just look at me.
00:36:51
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And so that's a verse that I love and reminds me to do that. I love that. And I love the focus. And the way you say, look at me as a parent would, that just makes so so much sense. yeah
Engaging Directly with God
00:37:02
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Yeah. you Now there, and there's another thing you say, Austin, kind of switching gears here too. You say everyone has a ministry. Your ministry is shining God's light in all that you do. Can you unpack that for me?
00:37:19
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Yes. um So I think like going back to, i know we talked about this a little bit with the with the podcast and the mission behind it. from a, I think in college when I started writing books, I started kind of getting this idea of what I wanted to do with my life, you know? And it was like, I want to write books full time and do all this stuff. And a lot of that was because I think I put a box around what God could use and how he would use people. And to me, that looked like a very specific thing. It looked like
00:37:49
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writing books full time and speaking about God full time, very comparable to like what I said about ministry isn't just for preachers and pastors. That's because there was a time in my life I thought that it was. I thought that the only people doing the Lord's work were the people working at a church. And what's so interesting is through my corporate job and all these things in all these areas, I've seen the Lord not in church. And and not that I haven't seen God in church, but just I've seen God. I'm like, oh, my gosh, God is literally in this CVS parking lot. Like God is literally in this Longhorn Steakhouse booth like he is everywhere. and
00:38:26
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what I've noticed and why i get so passionate is I feel like so many of us, we are, we are missing out on the richness of life because we limit God and how God can use us to this perceived indication of what it means to be used by God. It's speaking, it's writing, it's, it's being on stage. no, no, no, no. no Being the hands and feet of Jesus is going out where you are and showing his love and his kindness and his generosity and wanting people to know the God that you know by being a light in the dark world, wherever that finds you. And so that's what my podcast aims to do. But also I feel like that's just the mission of my life is like, I want to be somebody that whether I'm on here, whether I'm on my podcast, whether I'm at a corporate job, whether
00:39:15
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Tonight, I have to go finish taxes. So I'm going over to talk about some stuff with my accountant. Wherever I am, the mission is the same. It's to shine God's light. And that's not just reserved for certain places at certain times. That is anywhere and everywhere. And I feel like if people could just get that, not only would the light be more light or the world be more light filled, but people's lives would feel richer. We would wake up and we would have more of a purpose because our purpose is to shine God's light. with whatever that looks like that day versus my purpose is to write this book or my purpose is to do this thing. Well, what happens when you have a baby and you're no longer writing books or you're no longer working your corporate job? Where does your purpose go then? Right. And I feel like we have a lot of people that they struggle with that when their seasons in life changes. And it's like, no, your purpose is to glorify God in whatever you do. And so that's why I just get really excited and just enthusiastic to remind people to do, because I feel like people's lives would just be so much fuller if if we got that and lived that.
00:40:19
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How, how, what would you, um, let me think how was going to rephrase You know, let's say you mentioned the mom who just had a baby and maybe she's lost herself. Cause I kind of experienced that. Like I literally gave up my career, for my spouses. Cause my career just did not transfer. And he and I became a stay-at-home mom and, um,
00:40:42
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I always felt like there was more that God wanted for me, but I didn't. It took me a while to figure it out, a couple of years. So what would you say to the mom who's in that space still struggling, trying to be like, I know i meant for something to glorify God, but I don't know how to do it. what Like, where do they start? You know, I'll actually share a story because I'm always, again, very careful to speak from a place of like,
00:41:08
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I've never been through that. And so I don't want to give advice to something I've never been through, but I will tell the story of a woman in the Bible that I think we can all relate to. Her name's Hannah, and she was the mom of Samuel, who was the prophet that anointed David. And what I'm reading right now, what I think is so powerful is Hannah couldn't have a baby. It said the Lord had closed her womb, which at this time meant no security, no protection, just like you were the lowest of lows in society. It also meant people thought you were doing something wrong because the Lord blessed you with children. That was a sign of the Lord's favor. What's so interesting about Hannah though, was one year when they went to the tabernacle to make their sacrifices, she was so upset about the fact she had not had a baby
00:41:50
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She didn't even eat, which doesn't sound like a big deal. But at this time, the festival, not eating was basically saying like, God, I can't even worship you. I can't even partake in worship for you because I'm so upset. And I think what she does is the thing that I would say and encourage all of us to do wherever that season finds us, because that season will find us for all of us at some point in life.
00:42:12
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She could have just gone through the motions. She could have just said, you know what, I'm just slowly going to shut down. I'm going to say I believe God. I'm going to wear the cross necklace. I'm to to church on Sunday. But I'm not actually going to let God in on how much this hurts me. Because he already knows and he's not doing anything about it. So he might not be that good of a God. He might already see my situation, but he's not doing anything about it. So is he really good? He might be good to others, but is he good to me? And in that moment, what Hannah does is she goes to God and she starts weeping. And it says she gives him her suffering and her
00:42:46
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anguish. And that word anguish in Hebrew, it means inner pressure. Like it means being squeezed so tightly. And I imagine that moms in that space are speaking about, that's what it feels like. It's like this anguish. There's beauty on the outside. There's blessing. You have a new baby, you but there's also this inner, like there's this tension of blessing and burden and it can feel like anguish. And so Hannah brings him her anguish. She brings him her heart.
00:43:16
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And I say that because later, which is the point of the advice I would give to anyone that season, later when Hannah has a baby, it's Samuel. And Hannah gives that baby back to the priest. So Hannah had this thing she asked God for. She got it. And then she gave it back, which seems crazy. But I think in that conversation with the Lord, when Hannah was so honest and raw and open, She realized that the greatest gifts from God are not the gifts at all.
00:43:44
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It's the giver. It's himself. And when you're fully honest and you give him your heart with whatever season that is and whatever English, whatever pain, and you're actually honest about it, I call it my no makeup prayers. It's like, my God, I'm mad at you. Are you even there? Are you real? I think you're good, but it doesn't feel like you're good to me. Like you give him the real stuff.
00:44:05
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When you offer that, and not that it's immediate, but I think your heart slowly begins to realize the goodness of God is not anything he would ever do for me. It is just him in him in the season that I'm at. And it slows us down to realize God is in no rush for us to start doing things for him. We are a daughter of God before we are a servant of God.
00:44:32
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He would never want your production more than he just wants a relationship with you. And
Seeking Purpose
00:44:37
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I think in this world where we are like, you know, trying to manufacture purpose, God's like, you're my child.
00:44:44
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That's your purpose. Your purpose is to be in relationship with me. And if it doesn't feel fulfilling right now praying honestly to the lord about that like god just being your child isn't enough for me right now i want to do something for you i want to move mountains for you you can pray that to god and he receives that and he meets you there so that's the advice i would give is that story of hannah she was honest she gave him her heart not her performance or her good behavior and so i would just say start there like god will meet you where you're honestly at
00:45:17
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but it's our decision to bring that to him. Yes. And have those no makeup prayers. Yes. Lord knows I've got them every day. I have been through it. I have, I have literally, I'm coming out of my job season right now. So ah um i yeah, it's, I love how you put that, that no makeup prayers. Yeah.
00:45:42
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Yeah. We need them. And I love that story of Hannah. It's very powerful. um Yeah. Now you will also say follow Jesus more than you follow followers of Jesus.
00:45:55
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Yes. Like i when i heard that, I was like, oh, that is good. yeah And just so powerful. Okay. What do you, what do you mean by that? Yes. I'm so glad you are such a good podcast host. You ask the best questions. No, I'm so glad you brought that up. I get so fired up about this because,
00:46:15
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Again, i always learn from personal experience. I'm not ever judging anyone. This is me speaking about that I've struggled with this in myself. I used to think I was too stupid to read the Bible. So I would like when I first started getting serious about my faith, I would only, I remember I'd only listen to Stephen Furtick from Elevation Church because I loved how he preached. I love his messages.
00:46:33
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I was, I didn't own a Bible until my junior year of college. because I felt like it was a waste because I was like, well, i'm not going to understand it anyways. So why would I get one? I'll just listen to preachers.
00:46:46
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And the way I once heard it put is why would you imagine you have this massive buffet of food that God's like, this is all for you, but you choose to eat leftovers from someone else's house. And um i mean, I'm not nothing against leftovers, but God has a feast for you that's fresh. And the word of God is that feast. And your spirit will teach you how to read that word and you will get something from that word. In fact, my whole podcast this season is, it's called Together in the Word. But I just get, I show people how I get in the word because I think people don't know how to get in the word for themselves. I feel like, um and not that there's anything wrong with, I write devotionals. I hope people like devotionals. But
00:47:29
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I think the problem becomes when you're listening to people talk about the word of God more than you are getting into the word of God for yourself. And i think there's a lack of education on how to get in the word of God, not because you're trying to get something out of it, but just to commune in it and like what that looks like and how to do that. and I just get so passionate, especially this younger generation. I do.
00:47:54
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I am concerned that we have such an influx of people talking about God's word, which is amazing. And that is a blessing and praise God. My concern is that people are spending more time in podcasts, which again, I have one, you have one, they're doing great things. I love them. but podcasts, YouTube shorts, Instagram reels, instead of getting in God's word for themselves. And that is what, that's just the burden God's put on my heart. And the gut check I've had is like, am I getting in podcast mode more than I am in God's word? And that's what I really would like to see change is people getting in God's word for themselves more.
00:48:32
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I had goosebumps when you said that because I have been, that's been on my heart too, because I'm guilty of that. Like, yeah God knows that has been my thing that I am working on is getting more into the word instead of listening to, you know, the, I mean, not that podcasts and all of that is good. i mean, not, I mean, it's good having those, but also get, get deep in it, in the word. Like, yes we need that. It's so good.
00:48:58
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Why do you think that we get so caught up following in in following other Christians instead of Christ? like Yeah, I think we see we can see them. That sounds weird, but I think like we can physically see. I can physically see
Conclusion & Resources
00:49:13
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my pastor. I can visit like i can see I can have a
00:49:20
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tangible, like physical, you know, conversation with, I can get a response back from in a way that's like immediate. And I feel like that's one of the things I feel like also it's easier.
00:49:37
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Um, it's easy. It's quicker. It's quicker. I, for so long, I think about myself, um, to get in God's word for myself, the resistance for it for me was again, I didn't think I was smart enough to get anything. I think we also like, think about why we click on sermons and podcasts versus getting in the word because a sermon and podcast is a title. You know what you're gonna get from it. This sermon is on X, this sermon is on Y, this sermon is on Z. Well, I want Z because I'm struggling with that right now. Whereas when you get in the word, you're like, I don't really know what I'm gonna get from it, but that requires faith.
00:50:11
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I feel like we don't want to take that chance. We don't want to take that risk. We start again, manufacturing faith. We have an agenda for it. We have something we want to get out of it. And it's just easier. You can just quickly click on something. You know exactly what you're going to get from it. You know what the return is going to be. And again, that doesn't require waiting. that doesn't require gray space, that doesn't require, wait, God, did I hear this right or not? Because you know the title of the sermon, you know exactly how it should have been interpreted.
00:50:45
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Whereas with the word of God, I mean, you mull over these pictures, you sink into them. It takes time. It takes time. It takes patience. It takes maybe showing up, spending 30 minutes. Well, and I'm a big fan of like consistent, not like small leaps over time, not big leaps that don't last. So like maybe it's five minutes a day you're in the ward. You get in for five minutes, maybe you didn't get anything. And I think we label that as a failure. And I didn't hear from God. God's not with me. I'm not a good enough Christian. Whereas if you listen to a podcast or something, you don't really have to wrestle with that as much. And so I feel like that's why we are tempted to follow followers of Christ who can interpret stuff for us.
00:51:26
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And we can rely on their, the overflow their relationship with the spirit versus getting to know the spirit for ourself. And it's it's just like Netflix. It's like, why not just watch a show of friends hanging out versus go make friends for myself?
00:51:41
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Because it's easier and I don't have to face rejection. I don't have to take the time to do it. And I think that's kind of like, that's how this is placated into our into our faith today is we are relying on the overflow of other people's relationship with their Holy Spirit versus cultivating it for ourself.
00:51:56
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We've gotten lazy. Literally. like Literally. yeah Yeah. So how do we break that cycle? Any ideas? think you do it one small step at a time. Again, i am not...
00:52:11
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I am the last person to be like, I spend five hours in my quiet time. Oh my gosh, no. This morning, I think I spent five minutes. You know what I mean? But I but i got in it. I think it's two things. i think it's simplifying what it means to commune with the Lord. um One, the Lord is with you at all times. Like the Lord is with us right now in this recording. He's with me when I go into my meetings. He's with me when I take my sister's multi-poo back to her apartment. Like he is with me at all times. So I think it's recognizing that. But in regards to like actually carving out time for God, making it, making it doable. I mean, just because i think some people look as like, well, if I carve out five minutes in the morning, that doesn't seem very Christian of me. Like, I then i have to admit that I don't spend a lot of time with God because five minutes is not much. I'm like, do the five minutes. If you're going to do the five minutes and do it consistently, that is way better than doing two hours a morning for one week and then quitting. So I think simplifying that and, um and then two, I think being willing, like not going into the word with an agenda, um not trying to get something out of it. what you When we get into the word, it's to know more about who God is, not what he wants us to do in our situation. And so many of us, I think, go into the word trying to get something out of it versus just communing with the God who's in it. And so i would say that I would say, make it simple, small steps, and two, stop trying to get something out of it. But just look at it as like, what can I learn more about God today?
00:53:40
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oh So good. So good. I started having to get up earlier to do, to get it in with it and all the kids and everything. Like I just, 30 minutes earlier, that way I can get it done, get into it. It's my space, my quiet space with the Lord. Yeah.
00:53:57
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And it's taken a while to get to that. Like, yeah, but consistency, you know, keep doing it. It becomes habit. So it does. And then you begin to crave it and you feel off when you don't. I mean, it's like brushing your teeth, you know, like no one has to tell you to brush your teeth. You're like, I don't want to not brush my teeth because that would be weird. Or I don't want to not put my hair up when I work out as a woman because that would be weird. um But it's like, you can't, you, you, you crave it. You don't want us to tell you to do it at some point, but. disciplines eventually become desires, but they start as disciplines.
00:54:32
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So good. So good. all right. Before we wrap up here, is there, if there's a woman listening like right now who may feel stuck, maybe she's lost her light. She's questioning her purpose. What would you say to her?
00:54:47
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i would say you can't lose anything that you didn't create, earn, or give yourself. God gave you light. He gave you purpose. He gave you a reason for this moment. And he's the one that can use all seasons, even the stuck ones for good. So I think one, it's just remembering, I think there's a difference between not feeling like you have purpose and thinking that you actually don't. So one, it's recognizing I don't have purpose, that's a lie.
00:55:16
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I don't have light, that's a lie. You might not feel it, but you have it. And so reminding yourself of that. I think the other thing that's also worth noting, and we and we talked about this, but think talk to God about that.
00:55:32
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And like, actually talk God about that. I mean, not worry in your head, not freak out in your mind, but talk to God. Maybe you need to say, God, this is me actually talking to you about this. Cause I've just been worrying about it in my head the past six months. I'm guilty of that. That's why I say that a lot of times I'm like, have i actually prayed about that? Or have I just freaked out in my head for the past six hours about this thing? Um, so it's like, actually, Lord, I'm disappointed in my life.
00:55:57
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I believe you're the offer of it and I don't feel full in it. Help me with that. Help me understand that. Open the next door. Give me a wink, something that just lets me know you're there. Give me something. Give me something. My advice would not be go do this. Go be that. Go set up this call. No, no, no, no.
00:56:17
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I would say, Be honest with God and ask him for the littlest thing and then ask him for the wisdom to know what to do and the courage to do it when he does give you that little nudge.
00:56:30
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That's what I would say. It's like, it's all about giving your hands to God to make the move, not you need to go make this next move if you're stuck. um And so, and then, and then wait expectantly.
00:56:45
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um That's what I would say. That is so good. Now, is there any one of your devotionals that you would recommend for someone that may be in that stage? You Matter, my last one actually. I wrote the book You Matter with the heart and mind for a people, which I was this person at one point that just felt like nothing I did mattered. um And it wasn't important and it wasn't significant. And I confused worth and value and impact with the response of what people said was impactful and worthy and valuable. And something's worthy and valuable because it was made by someone who was made in the image of God. And so I would say you matter. That would probably be the best book for someone in that season.
00:57:29
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I love it. And I'm going to put all the links in the show notes for you guys. So you can grab all these goodies from Annie. So what's next for you? What are you working on? You've already mentioned you've got the book coming out. When when is that launch? Yes. So the Corporate Disciple, it's coming out later this fall. The Corporate Disciple is going to be a book that it's... um essentially a devotional. I'll be honest, I'm toying between making it a full book or devotional this point, but it is essentially a callback and a challenge to people in corporate America. So it's my most niche book I've ever written in regards to audience, um but people in corporate America in regards to how to be the light in a very dark, specific space of the world right now.
00:58:11
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um So that's that's my next craft that I am working on. And then of course, Made to Shine continues to run with amazing guests that I'm so blessed to speak with and all the stuff.
00:58:23
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I love it. love it. And all of that is needed right now in today's world for sure. um so where can people connect with you further and dive deeper into your work?
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Yes. So Instagram is the place I hang out the most. So A-M-May. So it's so funny. It used to be, i won't even say my last, but I got married and I'm now, as we mentioned, in the process of like shifting all my handles um and so it's am may or annie m a may um on instagram and then yeah and then that all my books are on amazon barnes and noble really anywhere you can find books online and the podcast of course is on spotify youtube anywhere you typically stream
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Oh my goodness. That's awesome. And I'll have everything again in the show notes. Yeah, you got me. You're going to iron it out. I'm like, what is my Instagram handle? I don't even know anymore. okay. it's what Oh, you are amazing, Annie. This has been such a gift and just thank you so, so, so much for your time, your wisdom, your heart. And I just, I know our listeners are going to go and be so encouraged by this conversation, um especially the piece about you matter. i absolutely love that. And
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um And I hope it helps you if you're listening name and be sure to connect with Annie further on her links that I have in the show notes for you guys. And if this as ah episode resonated with you, please do me a favor, share it with a friend, share it with someone who needs to hear it, leave a review and make sure you subscribe so never miss an episode. And until next time, keep leading, keep growing and keep believing in what is possible.
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