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8: Disclosure Team - Ross Coulthart
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Ross Coulthart is an award-winning investigative journalist and writer. Previously an investigative reporter on news and current affairs program 60 Minutes on Channel Nine and chief investigations reporter for the Sunday Night news program, Coulthart has won five prestigious Walkley journalism awards, including the most coveted top award for Australian journalism, the Gold Walkley. His broadcast television investigative journalism has also won the top broadcast award, a Logie.
Ross is the co-author of bestselling books Dead Man Running and Above the Law, both exposes of organised crime in Australian and international outlaw motorcycle gangs, as well as Charles Bean, Lost Diggers, Lost Tommys and Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze.
Award-winning investigative journalist Ross Coulthart has been intrigued by UFOs since mysterious glowing lights were reported near New Zealand's Kaikoura mountains when he was a teenager. The 1978 sighting is just one of thousands since the 1940s, and yet research into UFOs is still seen as the realm of crackpots and conspiracy theorists.
In 2020, however, after decades of denial, the US Department of Defence made the astonishing admission that strange aerial and underwater objects frequently reported and videoed by pilots and tracked by sensors are real, unexplained, and pose a genuine national security concern.
Compelled to investigate, Coulthart has embarked on what's become the most confronting and challenging story of his career, speaking to witnesses, researchers, scientists, spies and defence and intelligence officials and insiders. What he has found suggests that the world is on the cusp of extraordinary technological breakthroughs and cultural revelations.
Bizarre, sometimes mind-blowing and utterly fascinating, In Plain Sight tells a story that's largely escaped the radar of mainstream media coverage but has been there all along. Now it's time to observe what's in front of our eyes.
Ross Coulthart Twitter: https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart
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This podcast is produced by the Anomalous Podcast Network, in association with That UFO Podcast (@ufouapam)
Ross is the co-author of bestselling books Dead Man Running and Above the Law, both exposes of organised crime in Australian and international outlaw motorcycle gangs, as well as Charles Bean, Lost Diggers, Lost Tommys and Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze.
Award-winning investigative journalist Ross Coulthart has been intrigued by UFOs since mysterious glowing lights were reported near New Zealand's Kaikoura mountains when he was a teenager. The 1978 sighting is just one of thousands since the 1940s, and yet research into UFOs is still seen as the realm of crackpots and conspiracy theorists.
In 2020, however, after decades of denial, the US Department of Defence made the astonishing admission that strange aerial and underwater objects frequently reported and videoed by pilots and tracked by sensors are real, unexplained, and pose a genuine national security concern.
Compelled to investigate, Coulthart has embarked on what's become the most confronting and challenging story of his career, speaking to witnesses, researchers, scientists, spies and defence and intelligence officials and insiders. What he has found suggests that the world is on the cusp of extraordinary technological breakthroughs and cultural revelations.
Bizarre, sometimes mind-blowing and utterly fascinating, In Plain Sight tells a story that's largely escaped the radar of mainstream media coverage but has been there all along. Now it's time to observe what's in front of our eyes.
Ross Coulthart Twitter: https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart
DISCLAIMER:
FAIR USE NOTICE: This video MAY contain copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Disclosure Team distributes this material for the purpose of news reporting, educational research, comment, and criticism, constituting Fair Use under 17 U.S.C § 107.
Intro music:
• Track Title:Yearning
• Available at: https://youtu.be/j-UlkEjDAOA
• Beat by Chris Hayes Music SHOW LESS
This podcast is produced by the Anomalous Podcast Network, in association with That UFO Podcast (@ufouapam)
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Introduction to Anomalous Podcast Network
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You're listening to the Anomalous Podcast Network. Multiple voices, one phenomenon.
00:00:39
Speaker
Hey guys, how's it going? Uh, welcome back. I know I was only here yesterday, but we're here again. So thank you so much to everybody that's here watching live on YouTube.
00:00:49
Speaker
Thank you to everybody watching live, watching on YouTube after the fact. And thank you to everybody that's listening to this on the Anomalous Podcast Network. I appreciate all the support from everybody. So, yeah, it's Saturday night here, 10 p.m. But I guess it's actually Sunday morning. So, you know, I'm really grateful to Ross for being here.
Protecting UFO Sources and Testimonies
00:01:11
Speaker
So let's not waste any time and bring in Mr. Ross, a cool dog. Hello, Ross.
00:01:17
Speaker
G'day Vinny, how are you sir? I'm doing well, thank you so much for doing this, I appreciate it's morning for you, so I hope you've had your coffee. I have it right here with me. Very nice, excellent, excellent. Well Ross, I know that my time is fairly limited, I know you're a busy man, so if it's okay with you, we'll just jump straight into it. Fire away Vinny. Excellent, now the first thing I wanted to touch on, and we don't really have to go into massive detail,
00:01:43
Speaker
is a lot of the things you talk about have come from sources, and I've seen people talk about the frustration at hearing about sources, but one thing I think we need to just keep reiterating is the value on source protection.
00:02:00
Speaker
One question around that is though, do you find that these sources one day hope that the information they give you will be able to come out either through you or through them? A lot of them have told me that if and when the Congress does something to allow public hearings, they're very happy to testify.
00:02:18
Speaker
I mean I literally only this morning had a conversation earlier today with a one of the people who's flying fighter jets off the east coast of Virginia and they were telling me that these objects have been seen by his squadron this year.
Changes in US and Australian Military Attitudes
00:02:37
Speaker
So whatever they are, these anomalous objects are still manifesting themselves to the US Navy. And they were saying that, you know, there's a fairly broad consensus among the group of pilots that they work with that it's a really good thing that the Congress is now
00:02:57
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pushing for hearings and and I think also there's a change happening where whereas before you had people frightened of speaking out because they were worried about being ridiculed or vilified or stigmatized there's now a growing recognition that that there is a willingness led by the congress for this material to come forward
00:03:17
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And that can only be a good thing. And it's actually just so you know, it's having follow on effects here in Australia, because I did a story back in November, with the TV network I work with here in Australia, where we did a follow up on our original documentary from June this year.
00:03:35
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And we had interviews with people who'd been in the military, the armed services who'd seen anomalous objects while on service with the Australian Navy. And it's great because what's happening is I'm now getting people who've either worked historically in different sections of the Australian military or indeed the New Zealand military.
00:03:59
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who are telling me that they've seen anomalous objects. And they'd always kept quiet about it. Now they're wanting to talk about it. And they're wanting to know who they should go ahead with it. There was one guy I was talking to yesterday who said to me that he didn't feel comfortable going public or naming himself with me. And so I said to him, I said, just write a write a report to your CEO. How would you feel about that? You know, write a report to your commanding officer. Have you got any problems with that? And they went,
00:04:28
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No, I don't really. And I said, well, it's anomalous objects in Australian airspace over a defence training area. This is Williamtown, just north of Sydney. And I said, you know, I would have thought that
00:04:44
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the Air Vice Marshal of Australia's Air Force would want to know about that kind of stuff. They don't want you holding back on it. So it's having a positive effect. That's my point, Vinny, is that there is a change happening. And I interviewed people in your Air Force, in the British Royal Air Force back in 2009,
00:05:01
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about the Black Triangle episodes that were happening over the UK in the 1980s and the 1990s. And I spoke to wing commanders and squadron commanders from the Air Force and the British Air Force. And there was a real willingness to engage back then. And I think there's a slow change happening.
Mainstream Media's Failure in UFO Investigation
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Despite the debunkers and the skeptics, it's starting to happen.
00:05:26
Speaker
Yeah, I can feel it. I think we all can. But I think sometimes it does bring up more questions. And this is just when people get excited with feeling like we're getting closer to answers, possibly. Now, you mentioned there quite a few things I'd like to touch upon. Firstly, the fighter pilots off of Virginia. Now, you said this year, so we're only 15 days in. So that says a lot. Yeah. Did they say anything about are they still capturing these things on all the sensor systems, possibly photographs as well?
00:05:55
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Look, I know they were last year. I stupidly, I mean, I'm a bad journalist because I didn't actually ask that question. I was so excited that they told me that had sightings. It was stupid of me. It was a very brief, fleeting conversation. I just didn't ask. I'm sorry. No, no, no, it's fair enough. I'm sure you will get the opportunity again in the future. And also you mentioned there the British military. Have you spoken to anyone recently from this country, be it from the political side of things or the military aspect?
00:06:24
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Not this year and not in the second half of last year, but yes, I spoke to people for researching both my book and my documentary in both former and serving British military.
00:06:43
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And also, one of the things I really commend, actually, I didn't realize the significance of it, was the incredible detail in the Condign Report, C-O-N-D-I-G-N. It's an amazing document because it was written nearly, what, 25, 30 years ago.
00:06:59
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And is it Dr. David Clark or Professor David Clark? He's actually coming on here on Thursday to speak to me again. Well, I doffed me hat to him. You know, it was a fantastic bit of work on his part getting hold of that. And I love the story of how he procured it.
00:07:16
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I looked at it with Nick Pope and the British National Archives after it was soon declassified and I never really had an opportunity to look at it then and I think David's now procured it and been able to scan it and digitize it which is why it's now available online. And there's an episode in there that I keep on coming back to where in the immediate aftermath of the Cold War
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former Soviet commanders in the USSR admitted to the British Conde investigators for their report that Soviet fighter jets had attempted to engage UAPs and that they were lost in the process of doing that.
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And did you pick up the other one? The other one that I really want to flag people's attention to is because I've got huge respect for Frank Milburn, who's a former British military intelligence officer. And Frank gave an interview the other day where he basically asserted that he was told
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that there were a number of fighter jets from both sides of the border around East Germany during the Cold War, lost attempting to engage an object or objects. I think it was nine, eight or nine jets or something. It was an amazing figure. It was a high figure chasing it across the middle of the country.
00:08:44
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Yeah. And I find it incredible because the idea of that many people being lost in one engagement and then the families having to be told and the whole thing being kept secret is mind boggling. But if that's true, let's investigate it. I mean, the thing that I'm saying is that there are no fruitful loads for investigation that are now slowly coming to light.
00:09:08
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And the thing that really annoys me is that for much of the last 30 years since the end of the Cold War, the subject matter has been so stigmatized and so treated with taboo that mainstream media has completely failed to do its job properly and actually investigated.
Intelligence Sharing Among Five Eyes
00:09:25
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And yet, as I've found, and when you actually start digging,
00:09:30
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There are people there who want to talk about it and who are actually quite happy to talk about it. And that's what's happening to me now. I am overwhelmed with good people contacting me. And please be patient, everyone, because I just don't have time to process the volume of emails that are coming in. I've got so many people contacting me, wanting me to talk to them about either their service experience or the sighting that they had or
00:09:56
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you know issues that they know about from the work that they're involved in and it's very very difficult to keep track of it all. Yeah I can only begin to imagine but you're doing a great job so far and I'm sure you will continue to do so. Thank you kudos kudos. Let's switch it to your home country or to Australia where you reside. We recently saw Senator Peter Wish Wilson
00:10:19
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talking openly and asking serious questions about the subject. Has anybody else other whispers of other politicians again and military personnel talking since that that chat? Not on the record. I've had phone calls from two staffers for one's a government minister and the other was an opposition shadow minister just wanting a briefing and it was very much along the lines of oh Roscoe
00:10:48
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I see you've written a book on UFOs and you know the level of ignorance is breathtaking but basically this is not something that's on their radar and I don't think there's a cover-up. I really don't. I mean we have a saying in my line of work which is never
00:11:04
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never ever assume a conspiracy, always assume a screw up before a cover up. And I think what's been happening is there has been five eyes intelligence coming through. And I'm told this by people who know, there's been repeated intelligence is being shared amongst the five eyes countries, your country, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, the US, Canada, where we've been sharing intelligence on the phenomenon.
00:11:31
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But when Peter Wish Wilson, who's a Greens Senator in Australia and a former serviceman, he went through Duntroon, which is our main kind of equivalent of Sandhurst, if you like. So he's got some very good connections who are still in the service. When he asked the question of Mel Hupfeld, who's the Chief of Air Staff, the head of Air Force in Parliament not long ago in a parliamentary oversight committee, the Senate Estimates Committee, you know, what did he know about UAP monitoring? Was there any monitoring of UAPs?
00:12:01
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Mel dealt with it as a pilot who's seen a lot of combat service probably would with a degree of irony and was fairly dismissive about it. And I'm
Australia's Role in Space Surveillance
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not saying Mel's been misled. I don't think he was. I just don't think he knew the full extent to which there is information sharing among the five eyes. But what's going to be really interesting is I'm already talking to people
00:12:26
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I've spoken to people from the Congress who are pushing really hard for whatever comes up later this year in terms of reports to the Congress to include what's known by Five Eyes Partners including Australia and New Zealand and they've told me that there will be engagement with the Australian Air Force in particular and
00:12:53
Speaker
It's funny because, you know, the Australian Air Force is still locked very much in the paradigm of the 1970s where essentially all you say is there's no threat to national security and it's not a flight safety risk. And that's been their parroted line for so long.
00:13:07
Speaker
And the irony is I'm talking all the time now to people in the defence hierarchy. Some of them are pilots, some of them are people working in a technical area like radar operations or satellite telemetry receipt. And they're telling me that there are anomalous objects being seen all the time.
00:13:27
Speaker
And in fact, contrary to what Mel Hupfield told the Senate Estimates Committee, I'm told that Mel Hupfield has been orally briefed about unauthorized aircraft movements, UAMs, and that the issue might very well be one of titles, labels. When he was asked about UAPs, maybe the answer was no, there were no UAPs being reported, but maybe they're UAMs.
00:13:56
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There's a body of evidence. There's a friend of mine, Paul Dean, who does some excellent FOI research here in Australia. He's at least verified the existence of databases in the Defense Department called UAMs, Unidentified or Unauthorized Aircraft Movements. We're still trying to procure those files at the moment.
00:14:18
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You know, it's it's a tough road basically it like most things in Australia. It will be led by the United States and then all of a sudden it will become a priority. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean him you mentioned there with the Air Force the Australian Air Force sharing.
00:14:34
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information and data in the government there, but do you see them collecting the intelligence data from Pine Gap, the DSP satellite information that we've spoken about before and heard a bit about? Do you think that all goes through to the same people?
00:14:50
Speaker
Oh, I know it does. In fact, it's really interesting because I've been talking to people who have worked for the gingerly over the horizon radar network. And it's really interesting because gingerly was originally I did a job on it for a TV show, another TV show, nearly 20 years ago. It was a very, very expensive over the horizon radar system, very similar to the cobra mist one that's near the the old raft bentwaters base in your country.
00:15:19
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and the Americans have tried different versions of Over the Horizon radar in both the southern US and also up on the far reaches of the Alaskan border with Russia. It's never really worked that well.
00:15:33
Speaker
But I'm still getting to the bottom of it. I'm told that the data source from John goes directly now to Space Command in the US. And this is a data stream that's fed live back to the US. And it's seen as highly useful because while, frankly, they discovered that Jindalee is a bit of a dog for working as a good radar system, conventional radar system for a whole variety of reasons.
00:15:58
Speaker
Mainly that the ionosphere gets interruption at sunset and sunrise, and you get clutter. It's fantastic, apparently, for monitoring objects in low Earth orbit. And so, Jorn has reinvented itself, and I've spoken to Australians who have rotated.
00:16:19
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in and out of Space Command in the United States, who've been involved in monitoring the receipt of drawn data in Space Command in the US. And as well as that, there's a space telescope that the United States recently built on, oddly enough, Northwest Cape, the same place where the mysterious Harold E. Holt Naval Communication Station's based. And this space telescope is a top of the, you know, absolutely top of the art.
00:16:49
Speaker
a brand new American space debris monitoring site. And there's photographs of it. I could send you images of it taken by department. Yeah, but but it's it's shrouded in secrecy. And I'm still probing and trying to get to the bottom of that one. But it is interesting that as well as pine gap, which is the most well known one, which is the joint facility
00:17:15
Speaker
We operate with the United States in the middle of Australia near Alice Springs and that's mainly satellite telemetry. The DSPs now are pretty old. There's some brand new satellites that do even greater things that are feeding back as well. Data streams back to the United States in real time.
00:17:34
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So yeah, I mean, Australia is very, very plugged in to Space Force and for the Aussies that work in our Defence Forces, it's kind of a plum gig because, you know, to work in that area and then get a trip across to Colorado or wherever it's based, Huntsville, you get an opportunity to see the Americans up close and that's quite thrilling for them. And so I've had a number of calls from people who've told me that that's going on.
00:18:02
Speaker
And that it does include anomalous objects. And this is the weird thing is that I don't know if there's willful ignorance on the part of our military leaders, but they need to ask for briefings because they're going to look like idiots. Now at the moment, the United States starts asking for information
Historical UFO Sightings and Secrecy in Australia
00:18:22
Speaker
to honor the terms of the congressional orders that have been made in the legislation.
00:18:27
Speaker
The only way they're going to find out properly what's going on is if they actually ask their own people. And I've had people reaching out to me saying, hey, it's really good that you're asking this because in all seriousness, you know, the Australians I'm talking to, they're not breaching national security, they're patriots, they're people who are
00:18:44
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genuinely concerned that they are. They're picking up anomalous objects on radar systems and space telescope systems and satellite systems that shouldn't be there, that are doing things that can't be explained. And this is Elizondo's point, Mellon's point that why isn't this a national security issue?
00:19:08
Speaker
Nobody's saying it's an immediate threat. Nobody's saying little green men are going to come and invade or take us over. But by definition, anything that has the scientific capacity, the technological superiority to be able to penetrate our airspace with impunity, hover over known defence installations and access secure sites is by definition a threat. And that's something that our government in Australia and
00:19:35
Speaker
your government in the UK and the US should be looking at. And I really think that's that's all this legislation is about, you know, and if it does turn out that it's Russian drones or Chinese drones or some new technology that we don't know, then at least we become aware of it. That's fantastic. What I don't understand is the willful ignorance, the kind of the default to ridicule that is utterly absurd and illogical.
00:20:02
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. It feels like here in the UK as well, our government and military and intelligence publicly, their heads buried in the sand because they're not talking openly whatsoever, which is worrying. Well, look, I think the UK knows a lot more of all the Five Eyes countries. I think the UK was read into a lot of what the US knows a lot earlier than all the other countries. You know, it's obvious even from the way they
00:20:29
Speaker
They continue to suppress things like the, you know, they show no inquisitiveness at all into the fact that the RAF Woodridge, RAF Bentwaters episode happened on their soil. And, you know, they literally stood aside while the US Air Force came in and investigated what was clearly some kind of incursion by some kind of anomalous object on British soil.
00:20:55
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. You don't buy willful ignorance like that unless you're giving a bit of a briefing. You know, I say, what's going on here, you know? Absolutely. I completely agree. Yeah. I mean, the UK government and what we've seen from the released files in the past 20 odd years, there was some serious work being done on the subject. And then it goes dark all of a sudden in the past decade. I don't buy that one little bit.
00:21:23
Speaker
Well, neither do I. And in fact, neither did Harry Turner, who was the Australian, one of the chief scientists in Australia's Joint Intelligence Organisation in our Defence Department. And I've put out on the internet the document that one of my colleagues, Bill Chalker, here in Australia was instrumental in procuring from our Defence Department.
00:21:43
Speaker
And he befriended Harry and way back in the 1970s, Harry was utterly convinced that there was a cover up going on that the Americans knew far more than they were letting on about the phenomenon. And, you know, sadly, the poor man went to his grave, never really getting the answer. But he was in touch with American defense scientists he collaborated on.
00:22:05
Speaker
different things like the nuclear weapons tests at Maralinga with your British government. And he saw anomalous objects and he saw enough to convince himself that the phenomenon was real. You mentioned Maralinga, that's actually on my list of things I'd like to discuss, so we might as well jump onto it now.
00:22:23
Speaker
It's because we hear about all these cases around nuclear test facilities and things like that. But Maralinga, I don't think a lot of people are familiar with what happened. And I think a lot of the sightings were as back as the early as the 1950s. So are you able to just give us a brief overview of what happened back then and if anything is repeated around the area in more more recent times?
00:22:44
Speaker
Well, Magicity's government, the British military, in their great wisdom, decided that letting off nuclear bombs to test the building of the British nuclear deterrence in the aftermath of World War II, they wanted their own nuclear bomb.
00:23:00
Speaker
And they decided in their wisdom that to test their weaponry, they needed a remote and empty part of the world and they set upon Australia. God bless them. And of course, it wasn't empty. There were a large number of Aboriginal people who were still nomadic moving in the areas of the South Australian desert where these tests were located. And a lot of them have suffered terribly since from the exposures to radiation.
00:23:23
Speaker
A lot of them were forcibly kicked off their land, but there were hundreds of thousands of square kilometres of territory that were essentially locked off by the British and Australian military in the 1950s and right through the 1950s and the 1960s. Firstly, at Maralinga, where they developed the actual bomb and did repeated nuclear testing,
00:23:44
Speaker
And then later at a place called Woomera in the same area of desert, they tested the ICBM technology, the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Technology. And then also in islands far off the West Australian coast, I think the Montebello Islands, they also did airburst sea launches of nuclear weapons.
00:24:06
Speaker
But the most interesting things that are in the Australian National Archives, Declassified Archives, are documents that show that right through this Maralinga nuclear testing, just as has happened at the Nevada test range with the American nuclear testing, as soon as they started this testing anomalous objects were being detected over the test sites, including objects that to the observers, most of them were military observers, looked like
00:24:34
Speaker
lenticular metallic disc shaped craft. Quite often these objects were seen in some of the sightings that I've read coming up out of the sea, out of the ocean on the south coast of South Australia. And there's literally a sequence of sightings reports where two little old ladies see this object coming up out of the ocean.
00:24:55
Speaker
over Adelaide which is south of this range and then later on either the same day or a day afterwards you've got people on the range seeing these objects shortly after or just before a nuclear weapon is due to be exploded. And interestingly enough the guy who wrote the JIO report, Harry Turner,
00:25:18
Speaker
In 1973, he was one of the young physicists who was involved in working with the British on the range and he was involved, assigned to investigate some of these sightings.
00:25:33
Speaker
And it's quite amazing, actually, because while I was researching the Northwest Cape story, I got put on to people who worked at the mythological Northwest Cape facility, the Harold E. Holt facility, and one of them was a physicist who'd also worked in the test range in the 1960s.
00:25:54
Speaker
And he told me that he was ordered by his superiors to go and investigate a sighting by a civilian woman who'd been walking her dog. And she claimed to have seen a lenticular disc-shaped craft landing in a scrub bush near her home. And he went and investigated, and he found three triangular-shaped indentations in the soil. Of course, there was no craft there anymore.
00:26:22
Speaker
But he said to me, he said he'd never spoken to anybody about it. And he never actually gave the report to his superiors because he was worried again about this ridicule factor. Yeah, I think he gave an oral report to his commanding officer, but he never wrote anything down. But what fascinates me is that
00:26:38
Speaker
Despite the taboo and despite the stigma, there's a long history from that testing at Maralinga Woomera of really strange anomalous objects that were seen all through those nuclear test experiments that were being done by the British at Maralinga.
00:26:57
Speaker
And I, I've been involved in doing stories since where the full extent, frankly, and this needs to be acknowledged that I mean, the British government is still making it very difficult for servicemen who were exposed to the radiation to get compensation. It's almost impossible for them to prove the levels of exposure and a shocking number of these men have died from
00:27:21
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terrible radiation cancer caused illnesses. Yeah.
Public and Military Interest in UFOs
00:27:27
Speaker
And but when I was working for another TV show many years ago, we were involved in going out to Maralinga and we showed how there were still areas where the British had strewn plutonium
00:27:43
Speaker
for no good reason. They'd literally just strewn plutonium over the art back. And a lot of this was still there. In fact, we were warned not to stay there for too long because it was still hot. And, you know, this vast swathe of Australian desert is still dangerous to the people and the traditional residents of that land, the Aboriginal people who lived there.
00:28:06
Speaker
And it's a huge scandal, really. I mean, there was a Royal Commission that investigated this in Australia and the British government somewhat begrudgingly handed over some of its files on the matter. But the full extent to which this is all being sat on is never really properly going to be revealed in that inimitable British way.
00:28:26
Speaker
Absolutely. So while you were there on the site, did you get to speak to any locals at the time? And did you hear anything about more recent sightings in that area? There've been sightings constantly. I mean, I less so in the Meralinga area because there's not really been a lot of activity there until I think I suspect the Americans were testing hypersonic missile technology in Warmer fairly recently. But
00:28:53
Speaker
I spoke to the Aboriginal people, the traditional custodians of the land there, and they're still mightily upset that they lost vast swathes of their country to a decision made by Robert Menzies, the Australian prime minister, to sort of cravenly allow the Brits to come in and essentially despoil this massive part of Australia. But no, the bulk of the more interesting sightings that have occurred have been over more
00:29:22
Speaker
new military bases like Pine Gap, which is much further to the northeast and Northwest Cape. And there's been sightings as well over a lot of the more conventional Australian Air Force bases like William Tan, Newcastle, North Sydney, and places way up the Queensland coast.
00:29:46
Speaker
I mean, there's been I mean, there's a long history here in Australia of anomalous objects being cited. But one of the things that fascinates me since I did the last story in December with Peter Wish Wilson, the senator,
00:30:01
Speaker
all of a sudden that the floodgates have started opening and barely a day goes by now where I don't get quite a few emails from people in the Australian military or former Australian military telling me their story of the sighting that they had while they were in the service. And it's weird because it's not like I mean, I can tell you I mean, I've spoken to senior people in the Air Force who've told me that they would welcome
00:30:27
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people reporting these incursions. But there's kind of like this fear of ridicule. It's such a powerful taboo. And in fact, there was one guy, I'm still trying to get back to him, he contacted me about a sighting that took place over William Tan Air Force Base in the 1980s, 1990s. And
00:30:53
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It's weird, it's kind of like I'm talking to him about the biggest national secret ever and he's terrified about speaking about it because the official government position is that the radars were all faulty. There are about six different radar systems that pick these objects up and I've also now spoken to pilots who saw the similar thing but there really is this residual taboo, this stigma and as hard as I find it to accept
00:31:18
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One of the things in Australia that is stooped, acculturated into the officer class in the Australian military is a deep and abiding hatred and distrust of news media. And it works really well. And, you know, the officer class are just stooped in distrust of media. In fact, I'll tell you a story. When when the Australians in their great wisdom decided to protect the people of East Timor from
00:31:48
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Indonesia's appalling human rights abuses by its Special Forces troops when Indonesia occupied and controlled East Timor. And John Howard, our Prime Minister, somewhat bravely decided to honour the elections and a right and fair election and essentially guaranteed the opportunity for East Timor to become independent.
00:32:12
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I remember we all went in with the Australian military following them in from the Dilly Airport. And the Australian military didn't want to have a bar of us bloody media being there. You know, we were just in nuisance. But the great thing was that I will I will be forever I will be forever grateful because the British Royal Marines came along and gee, they were good blokes.
00:32:34
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And the Royal Marines came in and they were just the most top fellows and they had gurkers with them. And what was happening was we had like hundreds of thousands of dollars of camera equipment. We were literally camping on the ground. I remember we occupied a convent.
00:32:51
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And we had all our gear in this convent. And the locals were so desperate. They were coming and trying to steal our gear. And so was the remaining sections of the Indonesian military who were still there. They were just trying to cause interference for us. And we went and asked the Australian military for help. And they went, no, no, you guys are on your own. Bugger off. He was alone. And I still remember with some sadness, Marie Colvin, she was subsequently murdered by the Syrians
00:33:19
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In Syria, they targeted her mobile phone and dropped a bomb on her. But she was a brave woman. She was the woman who had the eye patch right from London, London Sunday Times. God, she was ballsy. And she went up to the commander of the Royal Marines detachment and said, you know, is there any chance of us getting some security? And the Royal Marines boss, ever mindful, I think, for the opportunity for a bit of publicity went, yes, of course.
00:33:44
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Absolutely, of course. And then we had these two Gurkhas with these massive machine guns standing at either side, either end of our convent, keeping all the bad guys away. And the Australians realised they'd missed a prime opportunity to generate some goodwill with the British media. And from that point on, I don't think the Royal Marines ever got such good press in their lives.
00:34:08
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I'm just going to take this moment just to remind everyone, I did pin a message at the top to say all questions will leave you guys questions to the end of the interview, so I will get to them, don't worry. Ross, one thing I really wanted to make sure that I spoke to you about, well, two things, but one of them is the Department of Energy and the other one is NOAA. So I'll start with the Department of Energy.
00:34:30
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because you said in a recent interview that you've actually spoken with people at the DOE who have talked about the retrieval of non-human materials, which of course, whenever we hear that kind of thing, people get quite excited about it.
00:34:45
Speaker
Yeah, and I think a lot of it's got lost somewhere in those gray areas of the aerospace community. But I'm just wondering if you have any inclination or any words about when, where, and whether multiple of these potential retrievals.
00:35:01
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Okay. Well, I'm told and I'm only ever as good as my sources. Okay. And I for obvious reasons, I can't identify my sources. Of course, but I'm told that there were multiple objects. Nobody said craft but objects recovered. I'm told that it began in the 1940s.
00:35:25
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And I asked specifically about the Roswell and they were very evasive with me and wouldn't go there. Other than that, there's not a lot more I can say because I'm being very, very careful here. I mean, it's funny because I know it's been an apocryphal or, you know, it's been a mythical story for some time that the DOE is a
Secrecy and Potential Data Holders of UFO Information
00:35:51
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place to look.
00:35:51
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I've been told that's where you should look. And I'm told that's why a lot of the attempts to elicit information on FOIA inside the US military aren't going to be that much successful because it's all been very well kept inside compartmentalized files under a queue clearance inside the DOE. So completely different classification system.
00:36:19
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completely different facilities. And I guess if you think about it, if it's true, as we've all read, that people from the former Nazi government who were working at Los Alamos were brought in to look at materials after certain incidents in the 1940s, it makes sense that it would be the DOE that would take charge. And as well as that
00:36:47
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Frankly, if I was the US, I'd do the same thing. I'd make sure that this is as compartmentalized as possible. I think we all have to exercise a fair degree of restraint here to some degree, because the more I get into this, the more I'm starting to understand if this is true, and you're only ever as good as your sources, but if this is true.
00:37:13
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I can understand why they are desperate to keep it secret. I would. I hate to say this. I'd love to say that a British prime minister or an Australian or American leader would basically come out and say, yes, we want you all to know this. But there is a lot of good reason for why the technology that this represents, if it exists,
00:37:39
Speaker
might be better kept in the black and being worked on in the black. And I can understand that and rationalize that. What I don't understand is why Congress has been lied to and why presidents have been lied to and why oversight committees have been lied to. And there's been generals. Yeah, there's been very little oversight when it comes to the DOE in comparison to the DOD. The oversight has been completely different. They've not had to answer as much.
00:38:08
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to the oversight committees from what i've been told in the past but i think that there is word of that changing that they're going to have to give up the goods a bit more doesn't mean we're going to get anything uap related but well that's that's why this legislation is so important though because
00:38:24
Speaker
It really depends on the winds of Congress. And I think we all need to be looking to the implications of the midterms because, frankly, if there is a dramatic change in the balance of power and the Congress that could radically affect just how much information is made public.
00:38:42
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as to what the Pentagon has revealed to the Congress. I suspect if we have a Republican controlled House after the midterms, which I suspect we will, we may very well end up with
00:38:57
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less information being made public. But, you know, these oversight committees are a good start. You know, I mean, if they realize that they've been lied to for 70 plus years, then they may want the American public to know that and that would be a positive beginning. A hundred percent. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, completely. Let's move on to Noah now.
00:39:20
Speaker
I mean, it's quite obvious why NOAA may be a good place to look because of the work they do with regards to the oceans. So have you spoken to people within NOAA? Have they given you any hints, leads or information that you're able to discuss? I can't say who I've spoken to or where they are, but I've been told that I've been told the NOAA is a very good place for data.
00:39:44
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and that if you were looking for a part of the US government that would have the best data on the phenomenon, they're it. And if you think about it, you know, there are.
00:40:01
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technologies that I'm aware of that I have no desire as a journalist to breach the security of them because they are very, very important for the strategic nuclear deterrence of the US. And I don't want to go into the detail about them, but there are phenomenal technologies that would allow the detection of large metallic objects underwater that have been in use for quite some time.
00:40:26
Speaker
And they're not just acoustic. And I learned about them at first from people here in Australia. And I've made inquiries more subsequently about where that kind of data would be stored. And obviously, a lot of that would be in the Defense Department. But I'm told also that NOA is a really good place to look. And I thought it was really telling. Did you notice that a former director of the
00:40:56
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the NOA, a former vice-admiral, a real admiral, co-wrote an article with Avi Lobb just recently in the Hill, where they openly canvassed the possibility that what we're talking about here is extraterrestrial life. There's a lot of big golden nuggets being dropped. And despite the debunkers along the way, I'm really fascinated by the way that there is this slow drip
00:41:25
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of former CIA officials, including former CIA directors, former presidents, former principals of relevant government departments now dropping big clanger hints, talking quite openly hinting quite openly about the possibility that what we're talking about here is some kind of non human intelligent life. And, you know, before the
00:41:51
Speaker
The debunkers and the skeptics start jumping on my back basically saying I'm openly talking about aliens. I'm not. I'm just saying that they are. They're saying it. They're the ones talking about an intelligence that may not be human.
00:42:06
Speaker
We're in a completely new paradigm here where it's time to grow up and start engaging and thinking about this subject matter in a way that we haven't done before. I'm really excited. I'm hoping that 2022, as well as putting COVID behind us, I'm hoping that we might actually get some breakthroughs in terms of
00:42:28
Speaker
and official willingness to at least go further admitting the reality of the phenomenon. I don't think we're going to see a lot about retrieved technology, even though people like Lou Elizondo and others have spoken quite openly about it.
00:42:43
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I think that'll take a while longer, but I think we are going to see an increased candor about the fact that there is a genuine mystery there that requires investigation.
Political and High-profile Figures' Influence on UFO Disclosure
00:42:54
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That in and of itself is a massive breakthrough. That's huge. To have militaries now acknowledging, yeah, this is real.
00:43:05
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We've gone through 50 years of denial and evasion on the subject matter when it's been quite clear to a large section of the UFO Twitterati that there is something going on and that there are ongoing investigations being done by the US, the French, the British, the Australians and other governments. But they've all had their heads in the sand and pretended that it's not an issue and that it's not a national. It's that weird answer that we've kept on getting.
00:43:33
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you know when you say are you investigating UFOs and they got nothing that we're investigating represents a threat to national security or flight safety and they can't say that anymore which is so exciting because the US Congress has been advised by the Pentagon that yes this is a threat to flight safety and it may very well also be a threat to national security.
00:43:52
Speaker
Now I think personally the threat to national security is just a bit of a line to get all the congressmen on board. I don't really think they think there's a genuine threat there because if technologies like this that are represented by these objects are real and they appear to be,
00:44:10
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It means something's been operating with impunity in our skies, our oceans, and indeed in orbit for, well, decades, if not hundreds of years. And a technology like that is so advanced, clearly intelligently controlled. It could have wiped us out years ago if it had wanted to, but it clearly hasn't.
00:44:32
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Yeah absolutely i'm gonna jump on to some of the questions that were asked in the chat here just i'm quite conscious of time i've got a few more this side as well on the list but we'll get to them possibly and first question from electron gap if ross could get a truthful answer what would he ask and who to.
00:44:51
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It was going to be true. You know, you know, my dream, my dream is to walk up to Hillary Clinton and I'm going to do this. I'm going to stalk her the next time I go to the US to walk up to Hillary Clinton and say, Hillary, what were you and John Podesta up to? You know, why was John Podesta having conversations revealed by the WikiLeaks emails? Why were they having conversations with Robert Weiss of Lockheed Martin? And I apologize to Robert if I've said his name wrong.
00:45:20
Speaker
and two former immediate past former very senior generals in the US Air Force. Now what was going on? Why were they talking about disclosure? Because clearly the Clintons were planning something. John Podesta, a keen advocate for UFO transparency. So she's one of the ones I would love to see cornered and asked the hard question, you know, what was going on here?
00:45:44
Speaker
I'd also like to see John Podesta asked, what's going on here? You're the former very senior policy adviser to Clinton. I think you were chief of staff to Barack Obama, and then you ended up helping run Hillary's campaign. There was clearly a contemplation here that there was going to be a level of disclosure. And it was all being worked together with, unbelievably, Tom DeLong of TTSA to the Stars Academy.
00:46:10
Speaker
What was going on here? And clearly, it all died when Donald Trump won the election. That's crazy, isn't it? I mean, to me, it's just one of the great cognitive dissonances that you've got. You've got this incontrovertible evidence. It's the sort of thing I go to as a journal, you know, when somebody leaks a document and the documents provenance is not in that, you know, these emails, the provenance of these emails, even though
00:46:37
Speaker
A lot of people say it wasn't the Russian GRU that leaked them. It was an appallingly damaging and untrue conspiracy about Seth Rich. It doesn't matter where they came from, they're real. Their provenance is real. There's a chain of custody for them and they show incontrovertibly that the presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton,
00:46:58
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was contemplating disclosure of some kind with the help of people like General Neil McCasland, General Michael Kerry, Lockheed Martin's Robert Weiss. What the hell was going on? So that's, that's one of my first ones I'd ask. The next one would be Trump because he can't keep his mouth shut. I'd go down to Florida and I'd just wait outside. What's his house called, Dan and Pat?
00:47:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Mar-a-Lago. And I'd just basically stalk him until he agreed to tell me what it was that he was hinting about with his son, Donald Trump, in that interview he did a few months before the election, where he basically said, Roswell, that's very interesting. You know, that really stupid question that Donald Trump Jr. asked his dad. Now dad, you know, dad, there's all these talk about UFOs and Roswell, you know, what can you tell us about that?
00:47:51
Speaker
And then Trump said something like, well, that's very interesting. And it was clear he knew the question was coming. And Donald told him that he was going to ask the question. But Trump hinted very strongly that he knew a lot more. So what has been said to these presidential
00:48:08
Speaker
candidates and indeed a former president, that makes them aware that there's an issue there. And even Obama, you know, Obama hinted very strongly, very recently, that yes, we do need to take this phenomenon very seriously, that there are these anomalous objects operating in our skies, displaying technologies far beyond ours.
00:48:30
Speaker
which is just mind boggling that the rest of the mainstream media doesn't immediately jump on that. Forgive me, I'll just have a minor little rant here for a moment because I was reading something this morning where I read that the only reason, or it was claimed that the only reason The New York Times did the 2017 story wasn't because of its revelations about
00:48:56
Speaker
It's because they were able to get on the record confirmation that Congress had allocated $22 million to investigate the phenomenon. And that was the only basis upon which they thought it was worthwhile doing it as a story.
00:49:10
Speaker
So there's still, I think, a high degree of close mindedness in the US mainstream media. And I think we're all holding our breath, waiting to see whether Bill Whitaker on CBS 60 Minutes will have another go on the US 60 Minutes program. Yeah, I think we're all waiting to see whether the mainstream media is going to get back in the saddle and keep on asking hard questions. But
00:49:32
Speaker
There's really no excuse anymore, because that's my beef. If journalists in the US were doing their job, they would understand that the acknowledgments that the Pentagon has made mean that it's no longer possible just to dismissively assert that there's nothing to it and that this UFO stuff's just ridicule and taboo and just ignore it.
00:49:57
Speaker
Absolutely. Great answers there. Loved it. Orange Freak asks, Hi Vinny. Could you ask Ross if he is aware of any recent UAP incidents or reports from Australia's neighbor in the region, Southeast Asia? Yes. Are you able to extrapolate a little bit? No. Fair enough. Fair enough. I suspect I know who they are. And yeah, I'm coming.
00:50:26
Speaker
Oh, okay, cool. I like it. Nick Gold asks, the recent US National Defense Authorization Act language included provisions to capture slash exploit UAP. Any thoughts on whether this might have been included to legalize existing programs?
00:50:42
Speaker
Oh, look, I don't doubt that. I mean, it's interesting, because, yeah, I mean, the fact that the legislation actually talks about essentially getting hold of this technology, trying to capture it. I was told by sources, when I was in the States in June last year, that there was an active effort being made to track
00:51:07
Speaker
locate and attract, and then capture, bring down these objects. And the person who told me about it expressed a lot of concern about that, because they cited the Condyne report. And I wasn't aware of what the Condyne report said about this. But basically, the Soviets admitted that they'd lost craft, attempting to engage in an offensive way with these anomalous objects.
00:51:37
Speaker
So, yeah, but I hope they know what they're doing. I mean, tracking has been around for decades. It's been around since the 1950s. They've known that there are particular electromagnetic signatures that these objects can be detected by. And one of my sources in my book, who I name, Bob Fish, admitted to me that as far away as 30 years ago,
00:52:02
Speaker
he was told about efforts to track and locate objects that were seen going in and out of the water south of Florida in the Caribbean. So I'm told that's been going on for some time and it's still happening. Yeah, absolutely. Walker Dale, thank you for the $5 donation with your question here.
00:52:24
Speaker
I'm wondering what Ross thinks of Lew's comments on our DNA possibly being manipulated 70,000 years ago. Are we a science project by some creator species? Look, I'm as fascinated by that as clearly Lew is, and a lot of people are.
00:52:45
Speaker
I'll tell you what I'm hooked on. I'm hooked on an Aussie guy based in the US who has a YouTube channel called Uncharted X. And there's another one, an American guy called Bright Insight. And both of them do amazing work investigating the archaeological record. And in quite a scientific way,
00:53:09
Speaker
They're very thorough, looking at reasons why there is good cause to doubt the accepted narrative about human evolution and the possibility of prior civilizations. The idea being that a lot of the megalithic ruins, a lot of the ruins that have been around for possibly tens of thousands of years, could not plausibly have been made by
00:53:34
Speaker
are current civilizations. And yeah, I mean, I'm with Lou on that. I mean, if there is I'm not a DNA scientist, and it's an area that I would love to get into if there's anybody that can approach me and give me some insights into why there is a credible basis to that. But
00:53:53
Speaker
Did you notice, just on that, did you notice that Gary Nolan, Professor Gary Nolan of Stanford University, a highly reputable genetics scientist who's obviously been involved on the periphery with TTSA, Gary talked publicly a few weeks ago about the fact that the DNA research that he was doing
00:54:16
Speaker
And his client, at least at one stage, was the CIA asked him to look at people who'd had encounters with the phenomena and were suffering physical symptoms. He actually said that a quarter of these people died as a result of their exposure. Now,
00:54:41
Speaker
Again, I mean, I just keep on dropping these clangers so people know where to look if they ever decide in the mainstream media to wake up from their stupor. If I was the LA Times or the New York Times or the Washington Post and I saw a reputable, highly regarded, probably a Nobel Prize winning professor one day saying things like that, saying that a quarter of the people exposed to this phenomenon have died as a result of that exposure.
00:55:08
Speaker
I'd be getting on a bus and going out to Stanford and knocking on his door and say, excuse me, sir, what's this all about? Can you explain this research to me? But no, nothing happens. Just comes out, he says it, and it just gets ignored. I, for the life of me, do not know why. It's the weirdest thing.
00:55:27
Speaker
Yeah, I'm keeping a very close eye on everything Gary Nolan does. Yeah, if anybody does want to see any of the stuff that you talked about recently, you can see all on my Instagram page. I even put a clip out yesterday that I found a new interview he did.
00:55:41
Speaker
I've got to bring this one up. Gary Voorhees Jr. says chickens are raptors. Gotta love it. Gotta love it. He's right. He's right. Absolutely. It's part of the evolutionary trail then. G'day to Gary. He's a nice bloke. Yeah, absolutely. We had a great chat last night. I know he's in his hotel room eating takeaway food and six-pack of beer. So shout out Mr. Voorhees.
00:56:09
Speaker
Another question here. Ross, of all the UAP events you have investigated, which is the best evidence that it was alien and why?
Investigating Remote Viewing Claims
00:56:18
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That's from Jon Hensley. Ooh, that's a goodie. Okay. I can't narrow down to one. I'm really excited. I just wish this Ruas and Babui film would come out.
00:56:34
Speaker
I'm so bloody frustrated. It's been coming and coming and coming for about three or four years. But I love the Ruah Zimbabwe story. And I watched James Fox's recent film with great excitement because he used a lot of the original BBC footage that was shot by a journalist who I spoke to at one stage as well in my research. And there's no doubt in my mind that the kids and indeed I think at least one teacher at Ruah Zimbabwe saw
00:57:03
Speaker
a craft, and the kids claim to have engaged in a telepathic way with some kind of non human entity. That's a goodie, because of the volume of sightings and the number of witness reports and the contemporaneous pictures that were drawn by the children that
00:57:21
Speaker
that showed a clear and accurate record. The other one that I like is in my country, which is the Westall 1966 school sighting. And I've spoken to so many of those witnesses. And I think I might have told you on a previous chat that I also stumbled across the fact that
00:57:41
Speaker
The father of one of my long time good sources in federal government Australia was the bloke who actually wrote the secret report for a now defunct government department here in Australia called the Department of Supply. And that report has disappeared, but I'm no doubt at all that it existed and probably still exists. So basically, somebody is hiding a report that was written into the Westall incident.
00:58:08
Speaker
And, you know, hundreds, hundreds of people saw the lenticular craft that day hovering over the school operating intelligently. Nobody saw an alien but something was controlling it. They might have been drones, I don't know. Other ones?
00:58:26
Speaker
Does it have to be with aliens on board? I mean, I don't know about aliens, to be honest. I still think I'm the same. I'm not convinced I've ever heard a really good case where I'm absolutely rolled gold sure that these aren't just autonomous AI drones, because a bit like us with Mars, you know, why would you send living humanoid entities to Mars to explore the surface of the planet when you can do it just as well with a drone?
00:58:52
Speaker
And vice versa, if you're an alien intelligence that's basically wanting to keep tabs on humans on Earth, wouldn't the best thing to do be to send AI drones? So I'm still not convinced that what these are aren't some kind of artificial intelligence. But frankly, I'd just be speculating. I don't know. And that's the exciting thing about this is that there is so much now to be investigated, so much more to be understood.
00:59:19
Speaker
But I'm not dispelling the possibility that there are living non-human intelligences that are visiting this planet. I just don't know.
Ross's Future Plans and Podcast Conclusion
00:59:29
Speaker
Absolutely. Darren Plain asks, we need a high profile advocate to keep pushing Congress for answers like Elon Musk. Does Ross think there may be other high profile people that would be effective at pushing Congress?
00:59:46
Speaker
Yeah, and I think when he asked about Elon, I think he was hoping it might be Elon and I don't think it will be because I think Elon has to sign secrecy agreements as part of his relationship with the US Defense Department, which is.
00:59:59
Speaker
the contract that has saved his SpaceX rocket company. And what a brilliant achievement SpaceX is, you know, there's an entrepreneur who's been able to do something that NASA wasn't able to do. He's been able to develop a reusable, cheaper alternative rocket technology to deliver NASA payloads. But I don't think it's going to be Elon, but there are
01:00:26
Speaker
I know people of great net worth in the United States, the new Lawrence Rockefellers, if you like, who are intrigued by the phenomenon. And they are willing to indulge their curiosity by investing and funding collaborative research and watch the space. I think that'll happen.
01:00:49
Speaker
I don't think anybody expects the US government to willingly pry loose the dark secrets that it's probably illegally been sitting on for much of the last 70 years. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that there's been some kind of a government cover up. I just don't know yet for sure what it is that they've been covering up, but they're certainly shy about revealing it. But yeah, I mean, who would it be? Who would I like to see taking a lead?
01:01:18
Speaker
Mm. Nobody. Tough. No. Finally, a shard or a lot asks, hi, Ross. In your research, has there been any overlap between UAP activity and remote viewing? Any efforts to remote view these things, et cetera?
01:01:35
Speaker
Oh God, I'll tell you a story. I spent a lot of time investigating a claim that appears in the CIA's files on remote viewing. It was claims that were made that Ingo Swan, one of the RVers, found a secret base in a hillside in Australia and a mountainside in the remote outback of Australia.
01:02:02
Speaker
I spent ages going through Defense Department files, sightings, reports. I still haven't been able to get out there and go and knock on doors because the only way to investigate some of this stuff is to get on a plane.
01:02:20
Speaker
The travels involved in going across the art back are just immense. It takes a good day to get to Central Australia, and then you've got to hire a four-wheel drive. It gets very expensive. But yeah, there's stuff that's been alleged in remote viewing documents from the Stargate program that the CIA ran that alleged that there were supposedly secret bases in Australia. And if I had the resources, I would
01:02:48
Speaker
hop on a plane and hire a four-wheel drive and take a couple of ex-military mates with me who know how to look after yourself in the outback and go and have a bloody good look. But frankly, if this technology is as capable of doing what it's alleged it's capable of doing,
01:03:07
Speaker
By definition, if it can warp space time, if it can literally move through solid mediums like water, there is a question mark in my mind. Does that mean that it's capable of moving through physical objects like mountains or volcanoes? If we are talking even hypothetically, if you indulge the whim of taking seriously for a moment the fact that somebody has allegedly remote viewed a site,
01:03:32
Speaker
you know, what evidence would there be? How can you even begin to investigate that? I don't know how one can. And that's the dilemma here is that, you know, for example, if these objects are hidden in NOA files, you know, detected 30,000 feet under the ocean, how the hell would we have approved that? I mean, we can't even find MH370 four kilometres down in the Indian Ocean.
01:03:57
Speaker
Yeah, very true. Yeah, great point. Well, listen, Ross, we've just hit the hour mark, so I won't keep you too long. If you could hang about just to have a little debrief after we end alive. So one last thing is what can we expect to see from Ross Coulthart in 2022? New book?
01:04:14
Speaker
I don't. Oh, God, no, that would be my worst nightmare. I mean, it's funny, even though one debunker took a swipe at me the other day for saying I've had this incredible volume of response, I have had I've never in my journalistic career have had the level of response that I've had to this issue.
01:04:32
Speaker
And I frankly I kind of this part of me that wishes the mainstream media don't start engaging with the subject matter because at the moment it's it's a really good gig. It's a fascinating area to get into and I'm very very grateful.
01:04:46
Speaker
to all the people who are getting in touch with me and who have got in touch with me, because there's just the most extraordinary information coming in the door. But in recognition of the importance, in many cases, of protecting the anonymity of those sources and in terms of verifying and corroborating and checking out what they're telling me,
01:05:06
Speaker
It's going to take a while and I need help and I'm thinking of doing some collaborative work with some people at the moment where I'd be able to work more efficiently. I'll probably be making more documentaries. I'll certainly be writing.
01:05:27
Speaker
And one thing I am going to be doing, and I flagged this now, is I'm going to be stepping back a little bit from speaking so much online. I just don't have time. It's so busy. I mean, I woke up this morning and there were, I kid you not, I think it was
01:05:47
Speaker
It would be over 250 new emails in my inbox since 7 o'clock last night. And then when I go on UFO Twitter, there's probably the same quantity again in messages on my Twitter handle. And a lot of them are people wanting to get in touch. They're offering information. I just get so many sightings videos, like maybe 30 or 40 sightings videos a day. And I'm not being dismissive, but
01:06:14
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What do you mean to do with those? If somebody sends you a blurry image of something that's five miles away in the sky, it's just not very helpful. I don't know what to do with it. And what I'm really hoping is
01:06:29
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what I'm now finding I'm starting to get, that I can get into really good data analysis. Like one of the things that I did very early on in my research was I solicited, I actually hired people to help me compile the best videos from all of the major countries in the world
01:06:51
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And I do. I've got a computer drop box full of literally thousands of videos from all over the world of sightings. And I've been thinking there has to be a way of sorting out the wheat from the chaff. There has to be a way of scientifically analyzing those and seeing if there's any modalities or commonalities that can be used.
01:07:17
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You know, I guess what I'm saying is I want 2022 to be more scientific. I've spent much of 2021 just dealing with the overwhelming volume of response. I mean, it's really heartening. I love it because again, I got a bollocksing from some twerp on social media yesterday because I said, you know, it's crack cocaine for people. It is.
01:07:42
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And I make no apologies for that. I'm proud of the fact that my stories are being watched by people, that they're being engaged with by people. I love the fact that people are really interested in the subject matter. And I can tell you, I'm not making money from it. It's not a remunerative enterprise, at least not at the moment.
01:08:03
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Basically I could make a lot more just being a full-time mainstream media reporter but it's fun and it's interesting and I find it intensely rewarding to be on top of what I think is the biggest story of the moment and it might take a year it might take five years but at some stage the rest of the mainstream media is going to catch up but in the meantime
01:08:29
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loving it good good good good well guys that's going to end the interview right now thank you to everybody that's donated quick shout out to my good friend chris leto for the super sticker hope you're doing good chris and for everyone else that's asked great questions um i really really appreciate the continued support i am back on monday with john alexander so be sure to uh to come and check that one out and then later in the week on thursday dr david clark where we will be discussing
01:08:57
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Project Condyne and Di 55 so look out on my social medias for all the information But for now guys, enjoy the rest of your day and we'll see you soon. Bye. Bye You're listening to the anomalous podcast network multiple voices one phenomenon