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I Don't Care How I Dress, But I Care How You Do
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Once again Matt and Lance are pieces. This time they justify their choice to dress poorly while critizing others.
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Struggles with Fashion and Self-Perception
00:00:00
Speaker
Hi, Lance. How are you, buddy? Doing well, bud. Doing well. Guess what I feel like, Lance? Oh, gosh, I don't know. Giant piece of shit. It's happened again. Why am I a piece of shit? I'm a POS because I put almost zero effort into clothing, fashion, the way I look. But I'm also outwardly critical of a lot of other fashion decisions. ah For some reason,
00:00:30
Speaker
I feel like above it all, I feel like I don't need to worry about it, but other people should.
00:00:46
Speaker
Old school friends from 9 to 4 Start a podcast, could they feel involved? 29 listeners just ain't enough Gonna go big if they
00:01:27
Speaker
Hey, do you think this will get old? Every time you say piece of shit, it makes me feel good. And we've been saying this for um a piece this statement for like 40 episodes. I don't know if it'll it'll get old, but I'm like, am I that? but like can i Am I such a piece of shit that we could do this a thousand times? Like, how many faults do I have?
00:01:45
Speaker
That's right. We'll have to bring other losers on to fill the gap, right? We will. We will. But I bet you could pull off a thousand. Just scratching the surface of my POS-ness. Well, right. And we both we both don't have to.
00:02:01
Speaker
have the same theme, but in this case we do, we are alike. And so I will just say I am a POS cause I've completely lost interest in the clothes I wear and I no longer try to look nice. Except when I went to a Tuesday night wedding where I had a fly tie on and some banana Republic slacks and collared shirt. And, uh, I did look pretty sweet. No suit though, huh? No jacket. I threw, I gave that to Goodwill. Was anyone there in jacket?
00:02:30
Speaker
Yeah. Parents and older people. Okay. They were there, dude. Were you with the most dressed down of the event, you think? No. Anybody showing up in like a joke, it's Jersey, like all the way checked out. No. I mean, I look the best bro, because here's the, here's the conundrum. Like I'm real focused on what's underneath the clothes. That's what I'm focused on. The body. Yeah. The package.
00:02:58
Speaker
Well, the body. I meant not the package like your junk. I just meant the full package of what you what you're bringing. That's part of it, of course, but the just what you're bringing to the table. Yeah. So you would rather put the time, the energy, the effort into taking care of your physicality than putting lipstick on a on a pig like putting putting the clothes on and make you look better.
00:03:24
Speaker
Uh, I think so. And my wife will say, you have a beautiful body. Why are you wearing such trash clothes? Why are you wearing this? These Adam Sandler shorts? And, uh, I don't want to show it off. I'm not trying to show off my body. I just want to feel healthy. I'm not trying to sculpt either, but I don't know if you relate to that, but it's, uh, it's not appealing to try to show it off, but I want to feel good.
00:03:49
Speaker
ah Yeah, I mean, and it's just a nice, it's not like a feeling of pride, being able to take your shirt off and not feel, it's more just like, oh, thank God, I don't have, I'm not trying to like suck in my, like, I just don't, it's not, I just don't feel bad.
Physical Health vs Fashion Priorities
00:04:03
Speaker
It's like not the glass is getting filled up, it's just not being emptied, I would say, right? For sure. Like something like that. Speaking of that. I have this body. Well, as our age, are you getting the behind, it's like in your back,
00:04:17
Speaker
It's, it's not even like you're overweight, but there's a um line of skin that hits right above the love handle that you just can't get rid of as an older guy. It's like a, it's a gravity thing almost. You have to look in the mirror. No, I know what you're talking about, but it's not, it's not even like a fat that much. It's just like saggage. It just doesn't look appealing. It's it. I don't like that, man. I don't like that.
00:04:43
Speaker
It's like an age giveaway. You'll see some Jack dude. It looks like he takes care of himself and that, and they'll still have it. Right. Right. And you're like, why are you wasting all that time buddy? You know, what are those members of like captain chairs, like the reverse captain chairs where you like go up with for your lower back. I just don't think it'll work. It's just skin, skin, gravity. It's the skin. It's not the muscle or the muscle structure. So that's depressing, but that's not what we're talking about, dude. So what's your deal? What's your deal? Why, uh, why don't you care?
00:05:14
Speaker
Dude, there's there's a little bit of arrogance in it. There's probably some insecurities, but the arrogance is like, I don't need to worry about it because they're going to embrace me. I'll make them laugh. I'll make them think I'm smart. There's a little bit like, I don't have to try fashion wise because I'll break them down and then they'll be like, all right, this guy's cool, whether he's dressed nice or not. So there's some arrogance in it, like where I don't have to dress to impress because I can just impress them.
00:05:43
Speaker
with other, in other areas. Do you think that's your identity? Like this, the funny guy, if I lead with the funny guy thing, everything else is ah secondary. I don't need the other stuff. Is it more of that? I think a little bit, but I think there's this probably developed because I have memories of being a young kid dude and not, and just being totally uncomfortable and, and really affected by any sort of like dress shirt and or like a collared shirt. Like if my mom would be like, this is where you're gonna wear a school day when I was really young, like 17.
00:06:21
Speaker
Just kidding. I was like, when when I was like five, six and say, and i and it'd be like, today's the day you wear a college shirt to school. Cause we didn't have uniforms. I went to public school in elementary school. And I, it would take me like a half hour to get dressed. Cause I just would not want that collar on. Then I put it on and I just remember my whole body would like lock up and be stiff. And so I had an aversion to like getting dressed up for, since I was like a really young kid.
Childhood Influences on Fashion Choices
00:06:46
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And so then I'd always like be like, I feel like more of myself on like a t-shirt or something like that, you know?
00:06:52
Speaker
Well, maybe that's your mom's fault. I don't know, dude. I just never liked it. You stated it. No, it's I still feel the same way. And then after like two hours, I'll have this shit on and be like, what is the issue? It's not a big deal. But but like, if I think about it now, like, I have like two dress shirts in my closet, and I think about putting one of them on, I'm like, yuck. Is that obligation? Like, I have obligation of now I have to show up and be a more serious individual, since you are such a shit talker and Oh, you feel like I, I'm like, I don't, if I, what's the next step? like If I put the collar on, i'll but I'll be like, yeah. You'll have to be a serious businessman or a serious person. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you know, we're always, uh, trying to get to the bottom here. Yeah. I don't know. But I, I, I, but I do think I always think I look good. Like I, ever so I think my muted style, like I much rather have a shirt with nothing on it. Uh,
00:07:49
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I've been running corduroys since like 1983. They've come and gone, fashion-wise, but I'm still, I'm always got some corduroys. And I'm like, I think I look good. It's outside of the current style, you know, but it's like a muted look that's always gonna be fine. So I don't wanna act like, oh, I wanna look like a piece of shit. I just think, oh, what I'm what i'm wearing is is like how everyone should dress too, which is yeah no wild shit, just like a muted thing. Same with my body and my,
00:08:19
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facial hair like how many tools out there now have tattoos and the and the beard and shit like you're not a fringe person you're not original anymore it's just like so I think just having nothing is like is now the only way to go right you like it yeah right but that's like contrarian too I just wanted to get a shot in on bearded people that's all because I can't grow facial hair yeah yeah no it's interesting I have uh is it Well, it is. Yeah, because I mean, if I look around Colorado, there must be a lot of men who feel like a POS because they certainly look like it. But I ah i'll have a pride in it where it's like I like to have know that I'm healthy underneath.
00:09:01
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which is so cocky in of itself. But know that I'm healthy underneath, but I can fit in with the common man, so to speak. Like ah this idea of you trying too hard is really unappealing. and And when I see certain parents in our community, so that's mostly who I interact with, have just a little too young of a vibe or maybe too much fancy, young of a vibe in terms of their clothes.
00:09:27
Speaker
Like so I feel like I dress yet like I'm wearing a Skate surfboarding company shirt right now Would you consider that a little young for a 47 year old or or is it not you're talking about something else? Like it's more about yeah the physique they're trying to show off physique and you know, wearing certain styles. I mean, you're, everything you're doing is a throwback or a laid back thing. So I'm not talking about the, the brands. I'm not talking about. Yeah. Yeah. So I just, it's unappealing to me when somebody looks like they're trying too hard. And of course I define that only I define that. Right. That did you actually, you, you said that well, that I think that's a thing of all over the place, the, ah the idea of trying too hard is like,
00:10:14
Speaker
not appealing to me in any sort of way. like I mean, i'm not I'm not gonna be walking around in the like flannel shirt pajamas or some jank sweatpants that you'll see in the US. Any outage like a Walmart and you're like, come on. like I'm not there, I'm not there yet. Or just giant fucking, maybe you are sloppy cargo pants with, I'm not there yet.
00:10:41
Speaker
IT professional gear, as I call it. Yeah. No, I'll wear some terrible shorts. White New Balance. I will wear some New Balance. White? I have. Not even running shoes? Yeah. I have. You get those at the ESW? I have, yeah. But a lot of kids wear those too. I like the, we just got back from Colorado State University and I like the young kid vibe for the most part.
00:11:09
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The current's fashion. Just now the laid back college kid vibe, which is essentially what you and I think t-shirts, a sweatshirt here and there, some raggedy ass pants or shorts. And, uh, they obviously are young, so they look like they're in decent health. How many, what's in your rotation? How many things are you running? Like, like 15 things, three things. Cause I could get down with like.
00:11:36
Speaker
Not much, especially shorts or pants. I could run, this might be disgusting for some people, but I could run a pair of pants for like eight days in a row. Yeah, that that is weird. Well, do you sweat? No one's told me like that I stink. I mean, I'm not fucking running a marathon in these pants or shorts. If if I'm working out, I'm going to change or shower. But I'm just like, do you wash your with clothes every time you wear your pants every time you wear them? Well, I do with because in the summer in particular, I have ball sweat. Got the ah
Routine and Feedback on Clothing Choices
00:12:07
Speaker
about eight pairs of shorts and probably 15 t-shirts and I wear it. I take showers in the afternoon like I wear it at night and then I put it back on in the morning and I work out in it and it's all trashed and then I do that routine over and over again. I'll wear the same thing. So if you take it off before you did a ah sweaty activity, you're okay with putting it back on it.
00:12:33
Speaker
ah running it again if you didn't do the activity in that, right? Well, so yeah, I'll shower usually about 4, 4.30 then I'll put on—right there, i dude. Yeah, I'll put on a whatever, the shorts and the t-shirt and a new underwear and everything. And then when I go to bed, I'll take it off. In the morning, I'll put that same thing back on and then I'll usually work out in the morning. And sitting it all sweaty, doing other things until about 4.
00:13:04
Speaker
And then I switched that outfit after I shot. Right. So it's like, you're okay with the day's use, but even like some people like to sleep breaks up their outfit. And my, my case, that's not always the case. Yeah. yeah I think that's a ah foolishness. But you're probably being judged. Like, like if I drop my kid off or pick them up at school at two in the afternoon, same shirt next day, I'm dropping them off. I bet you some people are like, Oh,
00:13:30
Speaker
Is he on a bender? Do you think anyone notices anymore? Unless it's a really memorable shirt. like Do you have like shirts with weird sayings on them? Yeah, my yeah if I go no fat chicks and and pick the kid up at school, and then I wear my no fat chicks in the morning, and then take me drunk, I'm home. yeah No, i don't I will not wear any saying saying shirts. That's a fashion problem. I don't think anybody remembers what you wear then, i bet my bad.
00:13:58
Speaker
Well, people close you. That's, that's a, that's like a relationship thing where a wife, I don't know if if your wife's this way or your kids are like, Hey, dude, you want to go ahead and change every once in a while? You know, like, then you wear that yesterday. Didn't weren't you wearing that? Like, I used to get that a little bit.
00:14:14
Speaker
Well, what feedback have you gotten? Yeah, like what? um I would say I know that when we went to Europe, there was a break in the action to go buy Matt some clothes because I look like a homeless person. There was a little bit of a cultural thing was kind of like, ah you gringos. That's why nobody likes you when you travel in Europe or around the world because you guys look like shit.
00:14:36
Speaker
And I'm like, I'm not one of those fucking idiots wearing like walking around Europe wearing like a ah Baltimore Ravens jersey with giant cargo pants. I was just wearing like t-shirts that were very comfortable, I'll say, because the thread had been breaking down into a soft state, you know, high use. And when I'm traveling like around, you know, you're bouncing around Europe, I'm like, I'll run the same shirt for a while, you know, it is what it is. So some of it's like, can you can you not look like a homeless person?
00:15:04
Speaker
It was a little bit like that. Like, can you like you? Yeah, kind of like that. You're a good looking guy. You're here. Why don't you why don't you dress up? And I'm like, then it gets into a cultural thing because like Costa Rica would go to like Rome and fucking buy a Rome shirt and wear it around.
00:15:20
Speaker
and and be at the Coliseum because they they'll go to like the ah highlights, nothing local and be like, I'm in Rome and take pictures and post them. I'm never gonna do that. But I did go get some nice fashionable shirts and like, and that was cool. I felt like. Like what? What are they, collared? Yeah, I got some collared shirts. I can show you one. It's kind of wild. I was, you know, I'm kind of like, ah if I ever get into it, I'm kind of like, I'm gonna go hard. So I got like a pretty wild,
00:15:46
Speaker
Italian shirt like a short sleeve collared shirt cuz we were there was pretty hot. We're in Hanoa. What do you mean wild? It's like a design patterns that are interesting. No, I don't want to see it. dude Don't you describe it cuz we're on very colorful shirt like tons of colors. Very loud. Very loud. Terrible. I wouldn't wear it. Terrible. Do you like drawing attention to yourself with that? I think I was caught up in the moment. Like you have you ever seen me that in your whole life where like some wild button down?
00:16:13
Speaker
college shirt, of course not. But it was like, yeah, fuck it. I don't even know. I think I was just conforming because I was like, yeah, I'm sure in my head I at first reaction was like, well here she fucking goes again.
00:16:27
Speaker
And then we got in the store, the guys were cool. They wanted to go to Costa Rica. They got my my son a basketball jersey that they ripped us off on. But yeah like we're in the middle of Hanoa, a port city in Italy. And this this guy sees him, was he nine years old at the time? Like his basketball goes in the back and pulls out some Jordan jersey. And I'm like, you motherfucker. And and of course, my son's like, I want it, I want it. I'm like, we didn't come to Italy to buy shit that we could get back in the Western hemisphere for half the price. but Exactly. Long story short, we compromised and we bought it. Yeah. so Yeah, it was just caught up in the moment. Okay. So you got into it with her on that trip that that makes sense because she got into me but I don't I never felt like I could do that to her like I would have a hard time being like you look like shit. I don't wear that. That's a hard thing to do to a
Spousal Influence on Fashion Decisions
00:17:20
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woman.
00:17:20
Speaker
Not every woman's the same. like We kind of equally bash each other a little bit. Like sure like my wife will sometimes have some jeans that don't fit snug. What's the issue? Can you say? I always go. I always go. Dumpy ass? Gives her a dumpy ass? Well, they're just yeah not appealing or some certain shorts. It's very rare. You two guys should see Lance. He's blushing. There's something behind this, Lance. Get it out.
00:17:43
Speaker
Yeah, so I'll throw down like you got that diaper ass kind of thing, comment. She's like, really? But she's more attentive to it. Whereas she will say to me, because I wear those gym shorts, she's like, I can literally see the tip of your penis through the shorts. so Do you want to do anything about that? And I'm more like, nah. Last, bro. Last. You're just like, what am I going to do with this hog?
00:18:05
Speaker
ah No, I mean but she's attentive and responsive because she she doesn't want to go out there looking like a fool and some reason I'm resistant which I guess is why we're POS is about this because we You know, we don't take the feedback and yeah I want but in that instance like it's embarrassed for yourself or for you or you feel like it's ah a bit of like hey Well, you're just worried about yourself or she like hey Lance. Let me help you out, dude you look ridiculous because you're
00:18:33
Speaker
God's out there for the world to see. Well, I've come around to that one, actually. I was sensitive to that, eventually. But when she gives me the feedback, I have to like play like, I don't give a fuck. I have to play that role because that's just how I have to roll all the time, defensive. But yeah, no, it's embarrassing for me. With those shorts, she also is always saying like, you're always touching your penis. I don't think you know that, but you're constantly doing it. Like adjusting though, because it's so... Yeah, it's something with the shorts. You know what they are. They're like, they're kind of basketball shorts. And depending on how they fit, they can really... ah Accentuate. Emphasize that thing. So she's embarrassed for herself, I'm sure.
00:19:13
Speaker
Where would you wear these though? Like you you didn't, you weren't going to run them out of wedding. This is like your stores, stores, uh, yeah, sometimes stores like where we see a lot of people like my kids sports events, stuff like that. So that's news to my ears. So, uh, visual cock is not a, is not a good look. Interesting. Uh, not when it's your husband, right? Yeah, it probably depends on what kind of underwear you have too.
00:19:41
Speaker
Yeah, and the weather and like how you're Yeah, it's freezing and and how your balls are propping up your your package or something like that. Whatever. Yeah, I didn't want to get into that in this whole series of episodes where it's like every episode there's some cock talk dude, dude, this is a this is a thing like I mean, if we really want to go down this so so like if if you can see that I'll try to clean it up since you're working But if there's like tight yoga pants or something, you can see the female anatomy a little bit like, or what you think is anyways, is that a positive or negative for you? Because some guys, ah you know, when they see that they're like 11 year old, you know, maybe not 11, 13 year olds are like, oh my God, look at that, you know? It's like, you can't take your eyes like a train wreck. Like I, so I could see like,
00:20:29
Speaker
A woman's point, a wife's point where it's like, I don't want to see that. you know like I don't think women though are just not as objectifying. So I don't think they're searching out for dick shapes. I'm pretty sure they're not. I don't know. No, I doubt it. I doubt it. I don't, yeah. So it must be pretty obvious.
00:20:50
Speaker
Yeah. I think what's attractive is they want the shape of the body to come through. So like, that's why I'm always getting criticized for the, she calls them Adam Sandler shorts. They're real dumpy, but I think they want the shape of the body to come through, show a little bit of leg. And then the shirt, they like the shirt to be a little tighter, but no, I don't think they want the, uh, the penis outlined in the shorts. They don't want to see that just like camel toe is not, I don't know that you're seeking that out, are you? That's what they call it. Right.
00:21:17
Speaker
Yeah, i no, I'm not saying of course not. ah But I would say almost any person is probably looks better with a little tighter clothing or better fitting clothing, regardless of what it is. like Almost any person, I think you're exaggerating there. What do you think the percentage is? um I don't know. Have you looked, have you been to the US? I have actually. That's why I do my shopping.
00:21:46
Speaker
Well, okay. mean that there there There are limits on anything, but let's just say someone's like, if somebody has a complex, like a girl, but, oh, my ass is too big and my ass is too flat. Any ass probably looks better in like yoga pants than like in some baggy skate pants or Boyfriend jeans like no guys ever like put those boyfriend jeans on you look so hot put those baggy capris on you look great Yeah, no, it's Lulu lemon. They came out with some technology that really propped the ass up right regardless of but of anyone's ass So like in that instance, I just wear it don't but don't be shy right small big round flat and It's gonna be better, and i but I imagine like in the same way a guy's arms, chest might like probably looks better like a little snugger than like your wife is saying you got a good body. You probably look good in like a well.
00:22:36
Speaker
cut shirt or something like that right yeah i just don't feel good i don't like that right what yeah there's a limit on tightness though like i don't even even guys that are jacked and want to show it off i i never feel comfortable like a super tight shirt even if i'm comfortable in my body it's it's like how do you go around like that you know like a spandex shirt it's crazy Right. And some of those jack guys, I mean, that's their entire identity. It's getting feedback for being jacked. It's, it's looking jacked, acting jacked. I don't know. They're just, that's their whole thing. We're not, I mean, I want to feel good and look good, but like, I don't care that much. I do, I do will criticize. it i'll I'll judge people about their fashion though. As much as I act like I don't care about it, like,
00:23:18
Speaker
anyone with excessive labels, especially brands that I just cannot see the point in, like, I don't know, someone jacking Michael Kors all over the place, I'm just like, yuck. Like, who is Michael Kors? Yeah, right. But it's that MK is all in like, especially here, because there's somebody with some money, vacation in the US, they come back, like they robbed a fucking outlet mall or a marshal. So they got all this, all these labels. And then you're like, oh, you went to Orlando.
00:23:47
Speaker
Do you think people like the labels anymore though? Do you think they're sensitive to the labels? They are. People with moderate range of money. Well, I don't know up there, but like, yeah, like Tommy Hilfiger, Tico's love that shit. And I think that is the most hideous shit I've ever seen. That's so 20 years ago. It's like a weird yuppie thing and Costa Rica were like, yeah, it's the worst. And it has prominent Tommy all over it too. So it's like a branding thing, which is bad, but like,
00:24:15
Speaker
Well, yeah also you're in Colorado. I think maybe the label situation is a little different there than some other places. but I just heard that really rich people who often drive fashion trends, they are going to like non-labeled, super high quality stuff. Right. Like boutique, more boutique style. Yeah, that's not littered with all that nonsense. so I don't know
Minimalist Fashion Preferences
00:24:40
Speaker
what's going on. I mean, I think you're right though, but those are people above the fray.
00:24:45
Speaker
Yeah. They're not in the race anymore, you know? Right. What's stopping you then from looking just a little bit nicer then? Is it just money? There's money. Like I said, I feel like I look pretty good. Like I just emptied out my fashion budget, dude, for the year. How much was it? I was at a, this is how I shop. I was at a speed shop. But how much? Can I ask how much the budget is?
00:25:12
Speaker
Well, I'll get to it. Oh, well, but I want to compare and contrast to the average because the average is about 500 a year. I bought eight t-shirts there between nine and $10 each. And that's for the year. I think I can run these shirts for a while. So you spent like 90 bucks. Yeah. Because I don't have, right now I don't have a need for anything else unless you start putting a dress code in on POS and my sports bedding, believe it or not, I can sports bed in this t-shirt as good as I can in a suit.
00:25:41
Speaker
I should actually, when I start to put my bets in every morning, I should go like suit and tie to feel like, yeah. You're taking it serious. Okay. But this is outside of the idea of how I want to look, but like, I've always done any sort of shopping for myself, like real quick, under a half hour. It'll be like, this fits, this fits, this is comfortable, this fits, this doesn't have a big label on it. This is a label I can live with.
00:26:06
Speaker
And that's it, like Don, I used to hit Target all the time because they have used to have tons of just non-branded muted colored t-shirts. And I find it that was good. Yeah. See, that's where my standards must be too high because I've always. Urban Outfit again. Well, no, I felt that Target was really slumming it. Like quality wise or what?
00:26:28
Speaker
Yeah, since I was a kid, and I just have never, I will not shop there for anything but- Dude, Target's a way higher quality than Walmart. Well, fucking Walmart was, I would never, ever you even buy food there, bro.
00:26:43
Speaker
Oh, wow. I didn't know i I was getting in bed with the classist here, my friend. It's a liberal thing, dude. Where would you go buy like a black t-shirt that has no no no branding, just comfortable, somewhat style? I mean, I also go to like Kohl's. No.
00:26:58
Speaker
Marshalls one of those places probably I would I would try there. You're you're not gonna find a shit at Marshalls I'll go to Nordstrom rack Nordstrom rack for I just always looking for about three different colors of t-shirts That have a nice fabric that fit all right. And so you wear black. Yeah, I don't like black most of my shits blue makes my eyes pop and Oh. That's your only good feature, right? That's not why, but yeah, exactly. It's like everything else just makes me look like I'm all fucking nose. You got no shape of your penis popping through. That's a problem. No, but I stuff, so. You stuff? Isn't that insulting, though, on the commercials? Because there was an underwear commercial on last night watching the WNBA game. And the dudes, it's clearly stuff. It's like this perfectly uniformed package.
00:27:53
Speaker
Right. I find that to be so stupid. Just if you really analyze the underwear commercials, though, they probably they're not they're not putting like porn stars in there. It's it's it's like a regular guy. By the way, what kind of what kind of underwear are you running in your old age while we're out here being vulnerable? I don't I don't like a cloth. Well, a boxer boxer. Yeah. A boxer brief, but it's a combo than the tightness gets you.
00:28:24
Speaker
They're loose, dude. I'm a Suboxone guy, dude. When I'm running, I get a little chafing on the thighs, so I'll go with something tighter, but the tightness is too much for me. Interesting. But I probably need some support. Gravity's kicking in, man. The balls. Probably need to tighten it up a little bit, yeah. The balls naturally tighten when I'm exercising.
00:28:47
Speaker
Yeah, otherwise when it's hot, they're like the bells on a grandfather clock or something banging into my knees. It's gross, bro. nobody' Nobody's going down on you, doc. Nobody. Not true.
00:29:07
Speaker
Yeah, I think when you think about, all right, so why am I a piece of shit? And and and you mentioned a little bit what your wife said about you, and I mentioned a story about where in Europe where my wife felt that I was like a homeless person. My daughter the other day said something like, why don't you put some jeans on or something? I think I might have been wearing sweats, but I was taking her to soccer practice. I don't know. and And I think I don't have any issue with, like I said, like I'm not embarrassing myself, but it's kind of like, do you need to be, when you consider your fashion choices, whether it's tattooed, biker, idiot, or
00:29:43
Speaker
big cargo pant guy with his never ending supply, Broncos paraphernalia, or, or fucking, you know, the Colorado guy with his fleece and biker spandex all the time. Like, should you be thinking about your loved ones or your family, other people in your life, like how it affects them or is it none of their business? You know, she'd be like, I should dress a little better. So my family has a better image. Do you think about that?
Dressing Well for Social Situations
00:30:11
Speaker
Yeah, I have. It's a consideration, but not often. And so like, especially if we're gonna go out with friends or go out on the town, so to speak. You ever get a redo sent back into the closet? Oh, all the time. Really? All the time. I don't like that. Yeah, all the time. So I don't want her to feel like I'm looking terrible. Piece of shit. i Are the requests reasonable usually? Yeah, they're all pretty reasonable. Sometimes I'll push back. I'll be like, oh, so when I'm in that defensive mode,
00:30:40
Speaker
But then I'm like, ah it is, it's a weight to carry if your partner's like, ah, you look like an idiot and that. ah So that's a great, when you have a good, sorry, when you have a good couple though, and you're with couples you like, those are great conversation starters. When you're out with like other couples. Yeah. I had a shirt on I liked and she made me change it to this. Oh, well, Bob fucking. mar Oh yeah, well. Yeah.
00:31:08
Speaker
You should have seen his socks about two hours ago. I said, no, sir. I was like, and you're not getting on the boat with those pants, Bob. I told her some stuff yeah that skirt is way too short. No, we never have to say that, do we? No. Do you ever, would do you think that like women in general should should dress more provocative? I mean, it's like pushback now in this woke world. I shouldn't say that, but it's,
00:31:39
Speaker
the but There's a contradiction yeah and that that we want them to look good. and then mid right well we do yeah yeah yeah hi That's a piece of shit angle right there. yeah it's a real fact that we're like woo You look hot and I'm over here my t-shirt I bought in 1996.
00:32:00
Speaker
And you know, right like I don't care if the style is laid back like, but that a woman is trying to look feminine and attractive no matter what the style. So whether it's workout clothes, lounge clothes, I think there's a pressure for them to do that. Obviously there's a pressure. ah And I'd rather have them trying to look good in those contexts than try to do what we're doing, which is really kind of a POS thing.
00:32:26
Speaker
But there is there is like certain dumpy outfits where or a girl might look pretty hot and you're like, oh, damn, that's good. you know Yeah. Yeah. But yeah yeah, there is a double standard, though, and I'm not above it.
00:32:40
Speaker
If a girl like looks really good dressed up and you're like, oh, that looks nice, but it doesn't mean I'm like, oh, I should reciprocate. I'm gonna go get a tailored suit, European suit because I'm putting it on her. I'm like, nope. Well, but to your real question, which was um about the provocative nature of women's clothing, like it get it's so over the top these days where you're seeing ass cheek and youre you are seeing a lot of camel toe action.
00:33:08
Speaker
Especially they're like actually trying to yeah, it's so so either a style thing or it's just part of I don't know the cultural vibe. dying anatomy Yeah, and I don't know it's not attractive it becomes ah You wonder if that's somebody you could actually connect with and if an older woman Dresses more provocative like that. Then it's like you really think they're batshit crazy.
00:33:33
Speaker
At least I do. That's exactly what I think when I I see a beautiful, hot girl with provocative clothing. I wonder if I could connect with her. Right. That's what happens. You're joking? Yeah. You're running to the cold shower. I mean, are you serious though? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that those are often women that I would have a great conversation with. But you're talking about what we might define as extreme sluttiness or almost like exposure.
00:34:02
Speaker
Right, like the Instagram type, show off type. Just, yeah, I mean like really emphasizing the booty in your 40s and you're doing that and your shorts are really high. Unless we're- We talked about last week, but you'll get that in a gym sometimes. You will, yeah. But unless you're bibbed up and we're ready to run like a half marathon, your shorts don't need to be that short. So like I'm attracted now to,
00:34:30
Speaker
a woman that looks pretty, pretty much like my wife, intellectual, pretty, and looks like they take care of themselves. Not like I'm- Nice recovery. Yeah. Well, no, I'm not looking at the, I'm not looking at the body in the same way I might have when I was younger, where it was just like, let me hit that, let me hit that, let me hit that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not looking at that anymore. But this is, this is the, ah like, the base of the POS in this episode, like,
00:34:57
Speaker
It's still hypocritical, right? Because you talked about you, Maya, like, oh, that person looks put together. We feel free that we don't have to show that we're put together. Like nothing about what I'm wearing now says put together. I mean, I mean, the shirt is clean. I'll give myself credit for that. But like,
00:35:13
Speaker
not middle-aged adult professional by any means. It's absolutely true. I wonder if though so many more men are lonely because they continue to double down on that. I don't need to look nice. I think i think that if you are a lonely man or you're like, I can't find anybody, you simply could cheer up your wardrobe a little bit and stand out immediately. like um It's almost like an easy way to get attention if you need to.
00:35:40
Speaker
You know, yeah, it turns out that those guys though, instead they go to like injecting testosterone and downing 17 protein shakes a day trying to get super Jack. I don't think many women find that super attractive like that really fucking Jack guy. Cause it's, we've talked about before, it's a person that's probably pretty selfish and has terrible conversations. The gym is my comfortable place.
00:36:06
Speaker
Yeah, no, it is shitty though that we are, because like if so if a girl was wearing the clothes that I wore or a woman, i it would just be a complete ignore. and yeah Yeah, exactly. So it's a little different, but I think that you, the like the difference is like, I still think I look somewhat put like, ah yeah, it's a bland t-shirt, but I think it's a good look.
00:36:34
Speaker
where where if if I saw a woman, maybe maybe not the way I, but like a little worse than the way I dress, you'd be like, oh, that's not a, she doesn't think she looks good. She's just giving up or something like that, you know? Yeah, because the standard's different and you expect people to adhere to the standards. That's the benefit of being a man where we can we can slum it, look a little homeless and still fit in. That's just not the same standard for a woman.
00:37:00
Speaker
Yeah. What do what are your some of your like negative judgments of a man? Were you stereotyped immediately and put them in ah and a group? like ah Guy rolls in with like a polo shirt and khakis. I'm kind of like, oh, toolbox, right? Yeah. Golf gear, golf-related kind of outfits. Yeah. Yeah, definitely golf gear. But I don't know why. The guy might be the nicest guy in the world, but I'm immediately kind of like, oh, skeptical.
00:37:30
Speaker
If he's got the gear on and then he's practicing his swing out in public, he's Ted Danson hair. He's a problem for me. Yeah, I know. I look at that kind of thing. How about the, I don't know. You don't see this that much, especially not Colorado, but like the guy that's always in like a nice tailored suit. And I'm not talking about like the American shitty suit. I'm talking about maybe like a more of a European footballer cut suit. Like you see that guy everywhere. You're kind of like, oh, what a badass. Are you like trying too hard?
00:38:03
Speaker
I actually think if I was going to really get into it, I would go that route. I'd probably go that route. Yeah. I might go more of, um, seersucker. What's that? Yeah. You know, the seersucker suits, the thin stripes. Nah, probably just like straight up Patagonia where I'm rolling in true Colorado granola to every meeting. Yeah. And, and when you work in an office in Colorado,
00:38:32
Speaker
At least 50% of the people are dressed like that, always, especially in the winter, right, where they can layer up while they're whipping Gore-Tex, whatever the yeah fucking fabric is. yeah A lot of guys showing up with actual hiking boots on to work because they had to walk through a little snow. ah No, I wasn't that guy. I was straight up Banana Republic, shirts, slacks.
00:38:54
Speaker
Nice shoes trying to the word slacks makes me cringe dude. Yeah, like slacks. It's such a Terrible adult word. Is this a bit i'm gonna throw on some slacks. No I mean that the who fucking slacks dude Well, I don't know the origin of it. I think maybe it was more relaxed version of a tailored suit, right? And so they relaxed slacks. I'm not sure. Or people that say pant instead of pants. I'm going to validate you. That's a terrible word, man. Terrible. Slacks. Yeah. i okay Man, I just love lounging around in my slacks, talking a little business. The other thing that like when someone says, what do you
00:39:37
Speaker
What do I wear? And they say casual or business casual. Those words also like fucking drive me crazy. Even when people are defining a restaurant as fast casual. Is this a bit? Yeah. Did you ever read your corporation statement on what business casual was? yeah It's so stupid. I never, ah maybe when we're with ah the big O Olympus.
00:39:59
Speaker
i think i'm a year out i think i can name job but when were we were we're a small startup so we didn't really have that the press those pressures you what was it like what what would be like slacks are approved as long as they don't have or stuff like that it's just very vague because they're trying to create some level of equity between men and women. were you But were you still in it when some of this gender stuff came to the forefront? Because I imagine for like an ah HR person to write that stuff, now you got to be kind of careful. Because a guy should be able to, ah someone who identifies whatever however they want, could wear a dress or or vice versa, right? so Yeah. they don't They don't use gender. I don't think they use gender in those anymore. It's just more about the type of clothes
00:40:46
Speaker
what What's your take on that, dude? I mean, I could see... I never... Gender? No, no, no. Yeah, I know how you feel. Like, it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. You said that off air a lot. No. That's not even gender. I'm not even talking about the right thing, what we learned at one of our episodes. No, uh...
00:41:05
Speaker
dress code like work dress codes and professionalism do you do you think there's value in that uh to an extent i mean if you're gonna go and show you're serious about a big project or making a deal i think you got to show up looking at least the standard of what a business person might look now we can over time we've lowered those standards And so, yeah, I think now if you're in tech field and you do show up like suit and tie, you're off-putting. So I just think those things change. But no, do you to do you need to wear those things to be on the ball and successful? Nah, of course not. Of course not. I'll probably go the other way with it though. Like if a guy comes into a ah situation that might be a dress-up situation and he's not, I'm kind of like, oh, this guy must be a badass. like ah like Because I'm like, there must be a reason why he's still allowed to be here.
00:41:56
Speaker
You know? Like, he's just like, hey, fuck you, this is how I roll. Because you don't, you never really- You mean he's in charge? He might think he's in charge, yeah. Yeah, he's in charge, or he's, you know, got something to offer that, because you don't, you're not gonna see a guy roll into a meeting dressed however the fuck he wants, and then the reality is he's given up and he doesn't give a shit. Like, that's not really the way people express themselves. Like, you know what? I hate this job and I'm wearing a t-shirt to the board meeting.
00:42:26
Speaker
It's kind of like, I am the fucking board meeting, so I'm gonna wear a t-shirt and I wasn't gonna listen to it. So for me, it's like respect more than anything. Well, not the gist of this whole thing is we're so we're all signaling something. I'm a piece of shit because I have a double standard, but like for me, it's like, I don't want to conform.
Fashion as a Reflection of Values
00:42:43
Speaker
I take a ah have a lot of pride that I have enough money to feel comfortable and I'm riding on a shitty beat up scooter with some old gym shorts and a ratty t-shirt.
00:42:56
Speaker
and I'm going to the grocery store, picking up some fresh fruit, like fresh fruit that like all fruit, like nobody else is buying that, like $50 worth of fruit. And I look like a piece of ah shit, like a mess of a human, except for my body's good. My clothes are bad. My scooter. He's riding a scooter. I like that. I don't know why I like that, but we're all signaling something. Like you taking pride in it or it's not even a thought. I'm taking some pride in it, which I think is probably the source of being a POS because it's.
00:43:28
Speaker
yeah we can We can act like we don't care. Oh, look, look, I don't care. I don't care about clothes. I don't like nice clothes. And yet you are with your, you just said you went to, you like to go to a surf shop or a skateboard place and get those types of brands. Cause you want to signal a certain vibe. A late night skate shop, San Pedro Costa Rica. Shout. What's up. They got single shirts for single male with nice, nice. formula And so wouldn make yeah when we say we don't want to try too hard, man,
00:43:58
Speaker
We're trying. We don't, we don't want to appear like we're trying to. Yeah, we're trying to fit something. And how many, you know, last week we were talking about how many I, after that episode, by the way, I'm like, Oh my God, dude, I'm miserable. I'm walking around noting, kind of counting how many things irritate me. It's extensive. And this week, how many times I walk around in my head, kind of consciously or subconsciously going, I never fucking wear that. I would never wear that. It's like 90% of the outfits in the world.
00:44:27
Speaker
I wouldn't like, I would never wear that. I wouldn't wear that. Like, kind of Oh, that's got like, I hate things that have a lot of pockets on it. I hate it. Yeah. Like, well Hey, there's, there's very few people that will use those pockets. So it's super impractical. Is this a bit, I hate, Oh dude, there's nothing that's more annoying than having shit in your pockets. I hate it. yeah It drives me crazy. Like keys, wallet, phone. I hate having shit in my pockets.
00:44:56
Speaker
It's a necessity often, but I don't like it. Yeah, you just want to be free. I think part of this POS journey is is to decide if there's a change needed. Last week, we're kind of like, we should probably not let shit bother us that we can't affect. And I've tried to do that a little bit. I don't know what the fashion wise, I don't know what the change is for me. My only thing is a little bit like be conscious a little bit of how other people are Like, for example, I worked at this startup, the CEO was a good friend of mine. ah And we have these board meetings. And it it was the place with such a fashion disaster, because it was me who didn't give a fuck like five engineers that are just, you know, a lot of engineers can't tie their shoes, the smartest people ever. But fashion wise, a lot of times you're like, what are you wearing? And and then
00:45:45
Speaker
And then, I don't know, a couple other people. and And so he would have to rally everyone for these board meetings, like look professional. And he's a guy that likes to look nice. And ah in hindsight, I'm like, I could have made his life a little easier. Just have one button down shirt ready for like a board meeting or something, you know? It's like a normal thing. It's like, oh, this guy just invested a couple million dollars in our company. And I'm like, ah, fuck, I gotta put a collared shirt on today.
00:46:12
Speaker
But, you know, like, it's a little bit of like, I probably can make life a little easier. Or, you know, when you talk about your your wife or a spouse, you're like, yeah, we're going out with friends. I could probably just look, make it easier on everybody. That might be my takeaway. I don't know. But I'm not in those situations that much right now. but You know what I mean? Like, what's the what's what's the joy of dressing like shit in an office environment?
00:46:35
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I probably would have put on something nice in that situation. So you're, what you're older than I am. Oh, you and ultimately did. Okay. Yeah. I was like, but I remember just going, ah, like feeling like some sort of sellout or something, you know? Yeah. Or I, I, I met one of the board members used to make fun of me cause it was always the same shirt. So it'd be like, look, you got your board meeting shirt on, huh?
00:46:58
Speaker
But then I was like, I charmed that that MF, you know, and he he was cool. With your jokes. My financial management at the time, dude, I was essentially the finance manager. The lesson is, well, first, like there is this compulsion to make things look easy. I think we're all trying to show that. Above the fray, right? We just breeze on through, dude. We're above and we're we're signaling that.
00:47:22
Speaker
I don't know if it's a biological thing but we're definitely signaling we're stronger, more put together, I don't know. that The animal that should get the top premium ah mate. There's that thing dude, like even in even in modern sports, the thing about not having to try but still be dominant or something like that. I'm natural. Yeah, I'm natural, whatever. Yeah. Which seems like the opposite of what you want. It's like I work for this, seems like a cooler message.
00:47:49
Speaker
Probably, yeah. So I think we're we're wanting to make it look easy, and yet we're going around thinking about it a lot and thinking about what other people look like and passing judgments. That's probably something we we're not going to stop doing, but you want a lesson. What's the right way to say it, Matt? We want to minimize how much we do that. I'm just looking at my notes. Yeah. I can try. I miss clothes shopping. It's pretty cool. I don't i hate the clothes shopping. This this could be some sort of experience when I was a kid too that when you go when you're buying clothes for the year I don't know if you did this with you is probably once every five years in your black neighborhood but uh if when you go like the first like a week before school you go shopping with your mom and then you try something on you come out of the dressing room and she's tugging on you to see if they're like
00:48:37
Speaker
It's a horrible experience. Like turn around. Oh, those are bigger and smaller. You can never get what you want. Cause they're all, their moms are always trying to get you to wear some bullshit, especially at the pre-teen ages. You're just like, I'm not going to wear this. So you end up wearing the same thing. The one outfit she let you get that you like. I remember somebody, shit, it might've been you, but someone of our friends like, you're pretty preppy in high school. I was like, well, I wasn't fucking picking out my clothes, dude. So.
00:49:04
Speaker
you know like but But yeah, it's like, oh, but that experience maybe, I don't know if that's why I'm like, I hate shopping for clothes, but it's it's the worst, dude. even Even when I used to go to my wife, you walk out of the dressing room, it's like, let me see it. And you're just standing there like, oh, I like that, or I don't like that. So I would just be a dick and like just in the changing room, put the shit on and be like, it it doesn't work. Well, let me see it, nope.
00:49:31
Speaker
I already made a decision, and you know? Well, we have to play these gender roles all the time. It's almost like a bad com comic, you know, with some of these gender bits that they do. I fucking can't stand them. You know, men and women are so different. Men don't give a crap about shopping. I relate to that. Yeah. I don't think I'm going to change it. I mean, I don't, I'm not committed to any like sat fashion cycles.
00:49:59
Speaker
And I'll always, i shoes are kind of important to me. I always think that I'm running the tightest kicks. I'm also trend setting on kicks. Like ever since like middle school, always out front of Yeah, 100%. Who was started running like pumas and that shit, me? There was a little time like in the early 90s where out of nowhere where people started running like indoor soccer shoes.
00:50:23
Speaker
I started that. You were ahead of that national. Yeah. You had those, huh? Like Lotto's or something like that. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. ah na Well, I started the, uh, penis sculpture shorts, bro. Yeah. Yeah. i She needs to know you're cutting edge, dude. Uh, let's, let's wrap this. Like, what do you think though, before we do?
00:50:48
Speaker
the gist of this podcast will be because we're two episodes in, and I think both times you said, I don't know how much I'll change. Is that what being a POS means? You acknowledge your issues, but say, eh, fuck it. Well, I just think each episode is analysis of, is that and an issue? And last week I did see that as an issue, like were just constantly being irritated and letting shit bother me. I'm not saying I stopped it, but I,
00:51:17
Speaker
I, I am seeing the triggers a little bit and trying to not avoid them, but not worry about it. But this week I feel pretty good about where I'm at fashion wise. So yeah, you're good. Yeah. I think it'd be weird. Like what if I, I mean, what if all of a sudden I was like dressing like Ronaldo or, you know, like, or I don't know Beckon or one of those like guys, like a well-dressed European football, I would say.
00:51:45
Speaker
like a black skinny tie and a tailored real tight suit, would you be like, it's not who you are, Matt, you know? like But also if I was wearing fucking Zubas or like flannel pajamas to the grocery store and like a Lawrence Taylor jersey or some shit, it might be like, dude, come on.
00:52:06
Speaker
Yeah. know my Here's my concern is that with our our overall desire to check out a society and kind of and maybe be free, which is a lot of what you and I talk about, we're layering on the clothing preferences into
Lifestyle Justifications for Fashion Choices
00:52:21
Speaker
that. We're laying the clothing preferences into that in a way that Justifies it just like anybody else would justify like if you're Ronaldo like you are you're hitting the town You're getting photographed every two seconds. You're not gonna look like a dumpy slob Plus you're probably not getting sponsorships looking like a dumpy slob But but you you mentioned Sandler he looks like a dumpy slob
00:52:44
Speaker
Things are still going his way. He's working his brain. Also, he can do that. Like he's embraced it. It's become a bit of his identity and people like love him for it ah in a way. His goofiness, his outfits. No one's going to love us for it. Oh, man. You're such a free bird, dude. You only wear t-shirts. You beat in the system.
00:53:08
Speaker
Lance, I can see your penis. I really, I really liked that. I really liked that. You're out there on the fringe. Yeah. When they see your, see your day, bro. Well, I just want to say congrats on that, dude. Yeah. Thank you. You too. You got your eight shirts for the year or maybe two years, even another great episode. POS number two, the range of what, what we are as, as, as losers and pieces of shit in this world is wide.
00:53:38
Speaker
And if anybody wants to share anything, you're more than welcome to, if you need to get it out. This is a pretty simple one, probably kind of no harm, no foul, like fashion choices. We have some darker shit probably that we could get into. I'm sure a lot of other people do, but the range is open to my point, right? So you need to get it out. You know where to get it out, people.
00:54:00
Speaker
I agree, come here, come here. Do you think, oh, my my other thought about this whole thing, you think we'll be more down in the dumps, maybe not depressed, but down in the dumps for doing these types of episodes, just calling out all of our issues and why we suck? It depends on the issue. I was down last after last week. I was really analyzing my irritation and then i was I was down. I'm not even lying. It's like talking about a channel that works for a little while.
00:54:31
Speaker
This week, I don't, I don't, I don't come away that this one is quite a negative. Yeah. Because I think the, the, the irritation like comes from within and the fat and anything related to like fashion that a failures comes from somebody else's judgment. And I'm really put up a brick wall against, against letting that affect me right now. Maybe it will. It all could come crashing down, but like, so someone's like, Matt, you dress like shit. I'm like, uh-huh.
00:54:58
Speaker
and then I put that person in a box as some loser that's a conformist, that you know what I mean? So like I'm empowered by that right now yeah instead of like offended by it. So I think in this this instance, I don't think I'll i'll be any more irritated than than I normally am. But you do think you're a POS. Yeah, the the the thing for me, the POS in this one is a little bit I mentioned about how it affects other people, but I will conform. I'm like i'm not going to a funeral and some shitty. but The POS is that i'm I'm judging other people too much. yeah and like Why the fuck do I care if some lady bought a Michael Kors bag in Orlando? This POS is produced by Matt and Lance. Engineered by Lance. Music by Soulja Unit. Thank you for listening. Old school friends from 9 to 4. Start a podcast, could they feel any more? 29 listeners just ain't enough. Gonna go big if they change it up.