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Up In The Club
33 Plays3 months ago
Crypto, Corporate Scum, St. Louis Club Scene, Memories of 9th Grade and more.
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Introduction with Humor
00:00:02
Speaker
These motherfuckers crazy. You ain't gotta say all that, man. Can you feel it?
00:00:13
Speaker
I'm a piece of shit. Can you smell it? I'm a piece of shit. Everybody want to come hear my problem.
Cryptocurrency Skepticism
00:00:43
Speaker
Hey, I love my song. Crypto is for pussies. And the next lyric is I invest in puke human puke. Just want to say, say you love your song. And, uh, I want to say crypto is for pussies. Cause watching it fall makes me happy, bro.
00:01:01
Speaker
rie away Maybe it's, I'm gonna pussies. What, is there any number that you get at? Me?
00:01:18
Speaker
it's i'm gonna take a look at that maybe it's not for pussies what is there any number that you get in a me Yeah, like, okay, you know it's gonna go back up to 100, 100,000 eventually.
Critique of Apple Practices
00:01:32
Speaker
Like, why not get in at 60? Or you wanna go lower?
00:01:34
Speaker
No, I legit think it's worth zero. Why would the fuck would I ever buy it? I know you think that, but who cares? Like, at some point, it makes sense to get in, right? Well, there's a lot of other things that I might play around with besides that.
00:01:47
Speaker
My cock. um i mean i don't really care it's it's my same as my political things like i'm not i don't i'm first of all i don't have any money i think we've all heard about my hardships over the last two years and we're turning the corner people lance but i'm not like throwing money at bitcoin i don't have speculation money but Uh, if I, I do have a little bit from, from past successes and it's not like I bought Bitcoin cause I believe in the fundamentals behind it or anything. I just like, it'll probably pop. And the reality is it has, it did.
00:02:22
Speaker
So if it gets low enough, I mean, I don't like, i have Apple. I fucking hate Apple. Honestly, you hate him as a company. You hate Tim Cook or what? Yeah, I just don't like him. I mean, I had my personal experience with him was like I was trying to, you know, use them as a vendor when in my medical device days as like managing it, like sourcing stuff because our engineers like like to work on their their platforms.
00:02:46
Speaker
But they were just like not helpful. It was like too small for them or something. but like They kind of positioned themselves like these great facilitators, but it was like didn't make financial sense for them to give a shit about us.
Disapproval of Big Corporations
00:02:58
Speaker
So ever since then I've had a negative buy bottom. But I have Apple shares because i got it at 120. 275 right now.
00:03:06
Speaker
Yeah, I'm with you. Fuck Apple. Let me say a few things about some of some of these corporations. Apple's Tim Cook giving gold bars to Trump. He might as well, because he's gay, he might as well have sucked his dick, because that's what gays do, eh, Matt? i want You want to get in? Let's get into that when you're done. Well, he's been on Trump's nuts. I'm boycotting Amazon because that fucker's been fucking with the Washington Post and because they kill small business, in my humble opinion.
00:03:34
Speaker
Yeah, you've been trashing Amazon for a couple of years. Yeah, I'm even going to try to get out of Google. These fucking corporations are sucking the dick of our government. My cock.
Tesla Pricing and Cult Followings
00:03:45
Speaker
Like if you look at Tesla, Tesla is priced because there's a cult following behind it. The cult shit is why I hate Bitcoin. But Tesla's priced to near perfection, meaning like all of its businesses are near, but and you have to be near perfect for that pricing to make sense. I'm sure some analysts would be like, oh you all fucking know what you're talking about. But no, I mean, it's's it's up there.
00:04:08
Speaker
There's an insanity to it. And a lot of the other, like Apple, and I mean, they're all overpriced as well. But dude, I hate the cult shit. People loving Elon Musk, people loving crypto.
00:04:21
Speaker
I will always be a contrarian to that shit. So no, to answer your question, we don't need to get in all of it. I will never invest in fucking Bitcoin. This boy, this boy came out hot. You came out hot, huh?
00:04:32
Speaker
Fucking go to a million. I don't fucking care. Well, yeah, but I'm just saying if it, the you don't, it's, there's a bot, you don't, you're not working on a bottom where you're like, all right, I think this is the bottom and it's going to bounce.
00:04:43
Speaker
No, I just like the psychology of fanatical people, like the NFT thing. Remember the NFT, like the picture, the digital pictures?
AI's Impact on Society
00:04:52
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And one of them sold as a digital picture, right? A fucking thing on your on your laptop for $69 million.
00:05:00
Speaker
That's fascinating. And then now it's worth like... maybe 60 i mean because of the popularity it's like maybe a hundred thousand or something dude i don't get any of that right i listen to you ever listen to it's another podcast but uh lex is it you know i'm talking about lex friedman fri yeah yeah is he on your hit list dude Isn't he right-leaning?
00:05:25
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i would say I would say no. i don't. he if If you listen to his show, like i listened to three-hour episode about Jungle. um It's it's like people that are saving the Amazon, and he's deeply involved in promoting it. and and i don't I mean, you don't get the idea that he has a side. It's like if he likes the cause or he likes the people, they're on there.
00:05:50
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And I find his podcast way better than any other crap out there just because it actually, heat it's not like celebrities. It's not like useless people. It's a Jungle Keepers. I mean, the episode i listened Jungle Keepers and it was about people saving the rainforest.
00:06:04
Speaker
So I don't think that would be considered a right-wing, you know, thing. but ah But I want to tell you, so that led into like these two geeks, but ah clearly like crazy intelligent people talking about AI. And it was just so funny, dude. It was just like, I wonder what they're talking about. Like they could have been anything. And ah like you're talking about...
00:06:28
Speaker
You know, the reason why i bring it up is you're talking about, like, what do you what do you call it? Fad? Like, fad stocks? Or, do you call it? Cult. Cult stocks. And I think AI has some of that. But there are intelligent people that have, like, very intense opinions about its value and what's good and what's bad. And, like...
00:06:45
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For those guys, they're not even like these crazy, you know, we all think of like AI, this like evil, you know, this Illuminati thing in the background. And these are just like two engineering geeks that love it and are analyzing its value and what's good and what's bad. And like, there's always that side of it. You know I've said the same thing about car, like car. There are people who just like cars that aren't assholes.
00:07:07
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ah So I don't know. that That was like kind of eye opening to me. is and so maybe some of this stuff i don't know maybe some of the the cult stuff even bitcoin there's there might be a small text of people that are like no i think this is the way society should go that that have value in it that you and i can't see the fine value in it that you and i can't see maybe It's a fair point.
Technology as a Threat
00:07:30
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Yeah, with AI specifically, of course, that that type of technology has benefits. It's the psychosis around these leaders' desire to own all of it, and whoever gets there first owns the world.
00:07:45
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It's that type of nonsense, plus their fascination with the downsides and the dystopia of what it is they're creating. That should scare anyone. And they... ah fascinated with um the rapture and fucking the world destruction and how AI could kill us all. Well, there are people like that, but not the whole community is like that. It's kind of my point. No, not the engineers because the engineers are curious about the tech. This is the leadership, the people that are moving the companies along.
00:08:15
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You know, most of them. Like Sam Altman or someone like that? Yeah, it's winner take all mindset, dude. So it's just hard to get on board with that. It doesn't seem positive for society when when folks talk like that.
00:08:29
Speaker
Right. Yeah, i ah yeah but it but it is interesting. Like there's always a there's always a you know, there's always someone, there's always like some, I don't know, there's another side of it.
00:08:43
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Like, I don't know, you just think of every, like everything comes off as like this evil thing, like lurking in the background and world takeover. And that's true in many cases, but then there's also like the foot soldiers that are involved that are just like, oh, this is this is interesting.
00:08:58
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yeah But bro, everything I've said about this Trump administration has come true. Yes? And more. I'm just saying. Nope. Nope. No. Okay. no technology technology That technology does have, this isn't hyperbole, this isn't fucking. It has the ability to ruin the world.
00:09:16
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It does. It absolutely does. It has the ability in the short term to even just absolutely disrupt the labor market in ways that we can't even understand where you know you could see extreme levels of unemployment.
00:09:30
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i'm trying I'm trying to capitalize on But you could say that about the nuclear bomb, like when like that it has the ability to ruin the world, but doesn't it's not 100% guaranteed it's going to happen.
00:09:45
Speaker
you know exactly Exactly. And hopefully it doesn't. But Bitcoin is a worthless piece of shit, and MAGA is a worthless piece of shit cult movement. So both of those need to die outright. I don't give a fuck what anyone says.
00:10:00
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outright. Die. Die. Alright. Alright, let's move on. There. I think we should just come out with that. Like, so you get that first ten minutes and just erupt on it. And then, and then we can bounce around.
00:10:19
Speaker
Oh, on a, and then we should rate where you're at week to week. Like, this week is a... it's more ridiculous than any of the other ones, less. Like it's, it's, there's nothing, there's nothing pushing you in another direction at least at a minimum, right?
00:10:32
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Like, you're not like, oh, well this happened and that at least gives me some hope that there's,
00:10:39
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I, I, there was a local commercial. I don't, I, I was like, shit, I was smoking a cigar last night at a club and, uh, on TV. It was, ah they were, we were watching basketball.
00:10:50
Speaker
Okay. Of course. All right. uh, there was a, there was a local commercial for, I don't know what if it was like governor, Senator, I don't know what the election cycles are, but the, the tagline was pro Trump warrior.
00:11:04
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was was what the guy was selling. is like That's his tagline. It was like, Aaron Gunnarsson, pro-Trump warrior. And he's a politician? i saw Yeah, he's running for some office. I i think't it like that it i was in a bar, so that I couldn't hear it, so I was like trying to read the subtitles, and it was like, running for some office.
00:11:22
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don't know if it a state senator or something. Aaron Gunn or something like that. and yeah It was just so funny. i was like, holy shit. and But... i but Yeah, that might even make you sadder. Like the fact that there's like that message probably resonates like with some people.
00:11:38
Speaker
I'm sure it does because that the the belief system is so jaded at this point that they trust Trump only. And it's it's just the weirdest phenomenon in American history. It actually may be the demise of our democracy and this this fervor. and And this is, again,
00:11:57
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Nobody anymore thinks this is hyperbole. So it's like these are real concerns for all of our children straight up. And and and by the way, so is climate change. it's like the trifecta of Christian rapture.
00:12:09
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So
Cultural Club Experience
00:12:10
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I'm going to talk about it. I'm going to bitch about the idiots who are pushing this stuff forward. I mean, but, you know, I do want to know more about this club you're in, though, because that sounds more interesting.
00:12:20
Speaker
so sounded Sounded like it was kind of... sir milky saucy not milky chocolatey yeah uh your milk comment there was only one i was in there last sunday there was only one white thing in there and that was me so it it wasn't milky but it was great so so a girl that's helping us sell stuff sierra she she hangs out there so i went in there with her she knows uh the owner jerome a few other people and ah she would love to sell some so some of our Live Edge shit in there because they have like, it's a cigar bar but it's a bar. It's a great place to hang out. There's like people are watching games, there's a humidor, there's cool bartenders are nice. So I was like, you know what? This place is is dope and I'm going to hang out here and I feel welcome here.
00:13:08
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and But it is like straight up I think it's awesome because i was telling my friend in Costa Rica this like you know what what the world sees from the black community and a lot of the success is same shit it was like when we were in high school or where it was like you know, sorta, sorta, you know, you have rap culture, which is awesome in its own right, but that's all you see. So this place, I think it feels like upper middle class affluent people are hanging out there having a good time, just like you might see in a suburban white whiskey bar with cigars and shit. So I think it's, I think it's pretty badass, but it always has a little more flavor.
00:13:49
Speaker
You know, some of the music is a little too much for me, a lot of slow jams and, and stuff like that, but not like Al Green stuff that I appreciate, but more like newer stuff. But what makes you feel like it's special though? Is it because you are the only white in there? Well, the place is just cool.
00:14:05
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Like the it's comfortable. It's cool. I mean, my buddy, I've talked about a lot. My buddy's cigar bar and and and close to that place actually is, he's created such a cool environment to like talk and and it's comfortable but it's also like i usually go there and i and i'm hanging out outside but it's fucking so freezing and his place he had his like a club and he always tells the staff to like let me in but i'm i'm like not trying to just be like like other people are paying for this club so i don't want to like abuse it like just because i know the owner so but uh yeah so the place is just cool it's like whether if it was if it was
00:14:43
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a MAGA joint, it's still comfortable. It's still nice, but the place is cool. And then, yeah I mean, it is nice. Just go somewhere and be like, Oh, I'm the, um, I'm, I'm like different here. All these people are, are don't look like me. And that's awesome.
00:14:59
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I don't know if that sounds racist or not, but, it but it is, that is, that is a contributing factor that there's a bunch of, a bunch of, uh, black folk there. And, and I'm like, Oh, this is cool.
00:15:10
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's part of just the excitement of diversity. Yeah. Yeah. And like, if you go to a bar, a lot of bars in St. Louis, you you'll, you'll run like in the white areas.
00:15:27
Speaker
I mean, you run you'll run into like these bartenders look like they're like 27 that are going on 50. There's this other side of it. And like, so this is just like a different scene.
00:15:37
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then Yeah. We've, we flew in Atlanta once and we were looking online, trying to get a dinner. We'd been up since five in the morning and I don't know what time it was then, but we were hungry and we stopped at this place. It was, went in there and it was all black And it was fine. were going sit down.
00:15:56
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And then my wife comes out and says, just the music is so loud. i just don't know how we're going to deal with that. And we felt so bad walking out because it was like we would be the only white people. And it was just like, well,
00:16:09
Speaker
yeah no you gotta you got it when you get in those places you gotta go in strong like like you like you didn't notice anything and maybe you're like i found paradise you gotta go in and be like okay this is great hey what's up how you how you guys doing like i i hate that you gotta go in hard don't know if you ever heard dan patrick's talk about that like uh some athletes every once in take them to to a place he'd be like i'm going in I'm going in hard because like I can't be like, oh, fuck. you know don't you kick it like That must have felt like shit walking out of there.
00:16:39
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. we talked about it for the rest of the night because it's just there was no way we were going to be able to enjoy dinner and sit there. The music was like it's like club level volume with apparently good food, which is what we looked up. so hey but Those people were coming out off a night i like clubbing? like That was the night scene eating there? Or was it like... No, I think it's just there was a whole frisking thing. So I think it's a a nice restaurant that turns into a club later at night. So, but so it was just, then we went to Outback after that.
00:17:12
Speaker
Yeah. i mean, i I agree. I would be scared to bring a woman into this place. But I'm there by myself. So don't worry about that. i what you're saying. I'm fucking kidding. I'm just kidding. Because you walked to that place with your wife.
00:17:27
Speaker
You're like, Fuck that shit. Yeah. No, it's everyone's sweet. The bar the the bartender, the waitress, they're they're all theyre on born and raised St. Louis sisters and they're they're all nice. And I told them I'd be back and I went back and they're like, oh, you was here the other night. I was like, yeah. So, but also my friend,
00:17:48
Speaker
is very popular in this town the girl the girl who i went there with because she's a chef and like she you were all in there and then you're getting just street cred just from hanging out with her i'm capitalizing on that a little bit well that's nice that's nice to get out of your own your own skin right but i i do in in the backdrop all the shit that that's going on that pisses you off and it's in the us s and what you see on tv and east ice agents and all this shit there are these things that are cool like that where you're like oh this is good this is like a minority owned business black owned business i met the owners that are like promoting a thing that's awesome and it it is definitely black but it's like welcoming to everyone it's just a cool like your your question was great it's like why is it cool because it's black no it's it's a cool place So I don't, I'm doing a disservice by differentiating it, but it's like, oh, that is cool. There is cool shit that's like outside of a ethnic group or, or whatever. It's just, it's just cool.
00:18:51
Speaker
And I wish more of that was out there. Cause, cause when you watch like the news about what's going on in the U S all you see is this horrible shit. And then when you listen to our show, all you hear about is this horrible shit.
00:19:02
Speaker
So. Well, what's interesting about that is like you're going to know black people that will walk into largely white populated establishments. and but Yeah, they had to do that their whole life. They do it all the time. Do it just fine. And you almost never see an establishment like that where a sane white person wants to go hang out in there.
00:19:23
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And it's, it's, yeah I guess if you were on the liberal end, you'd think it's some sort of like appropriation. know, the day you walk in, it's just people hanging. And if you get to know some different people, it's fun.
00:19:36
Speaker
Yeah, and they're they're smoking cigars their boys and drinking a little whiskey. they're not They didn't go down there to fucking start a race, right? Or be like, they're in there to chill. They're not like, you white motherfucker. You're people. They're just like chilling out, you know? so Well, what do they think about the
Community and Socio-Economic Reflections
00:19:50
Speaker
world, though? do you say Was there any conversation about it that you overheard or engaged in?
00:19:55
Speaker
a and No, I had i talked to my friend about some shit. not Not necessarily about the world, but like... um we We were more talking about, i was kinda like, well, thanks for bringing me here. And like, I wish more people would see this shit because, but she, she was also kinda like, yeah, like the real shitty parts of the US. Cause she grew up in like kind of a tough neighborhood. It's kinda like.
00:20:18
Speaker
That shit sucks for them too and it's scary. It's like also scary, right? It's not like, oh, because you're black or you're Mexican and you live in those communities, it's like, oh, all good for them. They're like, fuck this. This sucks. You know, most of the people, 80% of the people are like, this fucking sucks, you know? course, course. So, yeah, we talked about that a little bit. I heard a conversation last night, a guy talking about i don't I shouldn't even bring it up, because I don't have enough information. But there was a conversation going on about that. And this guy was talking about comparing the 90s to now. And it was about St. Louis, but I don't i don't have enough information to speak on it. but there So that like i will I will say there's lively... like This sounds even more racist, but there's like normal conversations going on in there like about politics and and being old and kids. and it's not all It's not like worse a fucking movie. like Everyone's playing dominoes and calling each other pussies. Any of that shit. I just think that's so portrayed...
00:21:18
Speaker
and it's not all like just whatever people in holly it's like the the culture has embraced it but uh it's still it's still like it's cool to see that's i'm trying to say the black culture in america is embellished beyond fucking belief like everybody's walking around like shit man hell no shit boy give me yeah It's not what it is. There are some stereotypes that lean true. Like the great when they greet each other, it's it's great.
00:21:47
Speaker
It's a party. It's a party. Like when you're like, oh, what's up, Steve? Like if they're coming in, a couple of these, nice a nice hug and some clowning and all that stuff. because stereotypes have truth. Like effeminate gays are yeah some them over the top.
00:22:04
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Not like when I say hi to you and I'm like, hello, Lance. Yeah. Haven't seen you in a while. Yeah. Well, that's fun, dude. I'm glad you had that experience. Sounds like you'll be welcome as a token honky.
00:22:18
Speaker
I just get back to this this whole thing that like St. Louis and some of these Midwest towns that have been shit on. And it's like, man, come on. I mean, that's in a part of town, too, that just can't get off the ground. But I was there last night. I'm like, this is...
00:22:33
Speaker
a dope street. It's close to my friend's bar and it's like this beautiful street. It looks like straight out of 1900, you know, but like it's got these sidewalks and there's all these little shops and shit, but it's a part of town where people are like, nope, if I go down there, going to get capped.
00:22:47
Speaker
And the reality is there is like a lot of homicides and shit down in this area. But there's also like... St. Louis University, which is like a fucking expensive private school. You'd be pretty pumped probably send your son there to play hoops if you got recruited by, you know, it's like a top 20 hoops team. That's all that that's all that matters.
00:23:07
Speaker
Right? And there's a black college, Harriet Stowe. like So it should be just this hopping awesome part of town. and like like it's like I don't know. St. Louis is so weird. Yeah.
00:23:18
Speaker
yes Well, but we gotta, yeah, once it warms up, this thing's popping. We'll get you down there and you can, you can walk in there. We should do a scene where you walk in and just completely freak out.
00:23:30
Speaker
Well, how about if you walk in and jive? Like you overdo it where you're trying to trying to like be like, I'm down. They're like, why are you talking like that, man? He's like, oh, come on. Come on. And they're like, dude, can I just want smoke a cigar. That'd be so great.
00:23:48
Speaker
Yeah. That would be like, ah what is it? Key and Peele skit or something like that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. That'd be sweet. By the way, I've been watching their shit on like YouTube when I have nothing to
Appreciation for Key and Peele
00:24:00
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do up here. that The old shit, right? Yeah.
00:24:02
Speaker
I don't... what Is there old shit? I thought it was like a three or four year run that that show was on. Yeah, well, it's old. 12 to 15 or something. 2012. I think they're better than any anything else. Better than Saturday Night Live, better than Living Color.
00:24:17
Speaker
Some of those kids are so fucking funny. Like every one of them. I agree. agree. They took some real risks there and the writing was good. And then I think that Jordan Peele, given his success as a horror filmmaker, really had...
00:24:32
Speaker
which is which is peel the guy with hair the bald guy is like a comedic actor who's so funny that's uh key that's key yeah yeah but he just had a nice touch with the camera work and just like doing stuff really over the top to bring it home yeah and then and then their character dynamics in terms of the full breadth of each what each of them could play really meshed well together yeah i it's so funny i mean i think he's like a shakespearean actor like his background is honkified so it's a nice mix of like all the shit you're talking about and then but they can flip it and and make like the funniest ghetto script yeah there he's a blurred he refers to himself or he or somebody referred to him as a blurred black nerd
00:25:22
Speaker
Blurred. Which is a thing now. That's the other thing about... Which is cool, I guess, in a way. But it's like, watch out, black community. You know? you get You turn into a bunch of nerds. And... Come on. It kind all falls apart then. Yeah, so that's great, buddy. Alright, well... Going back to Rica.
00:25:43
Speaker
what's new What's going to be happening there, buddy? Going back to Costa Rica. So, a couple things. Personally...
Challenges in Children's Education
00:25:49
Speaker
ah my kid just started school. So ninth grade and seventh grade.
00:25:55
Speaker
And like e my my my son, he's going to seventh grade. Every, he's so funny for ever since like kindergarten, it's been like best class, best first day of school is always like i'm best class, best teachers, I'm on board.
00:26:09
Speaker
And usually my daughter's fine, but she freaked out. She she like has zero friends in her class and was like, like last night basically like devastated.
00:26:21
Speaker
And I'm like, I just told her, shut the fuck up. So, I'm scared. Well, is it because the transition, like her friends went to a different school?
00:26:33
Speaker
No, and there's no transition. It's like their transition was sixth grade to when they popped into high school. I see. I think the school realizes that she's she's pretty bright, but she won't shut the fuck up. And some teacher was like, hey, get her away from this group of girls. because or what Or maybe that get them away from her, what I don't know who's fucking up more. She could she could she is probably the problem, but like i think that I think teachers make those kind of recommendations. But it was like a full sweep. It's like, ah any one of eight girls in her class would have calmed her down, and they all are in the other one. So she thinks she's just sitting there with this group of people that she doesn't really know or like.
00:27:08
Speaker
Not that she doesn't like them, but she doesn't have relationship with them. And then they're all sitting there just having the greatest ninth grade in history. Mm. Wow. Secretly her mom and me are like, this is awesome. Cause she's going have to like, she'll, she won't anything to do, but focus.
00:27:22
Speaker
Yeah. Can't blame that divorce forever. Yeah. She's like, I mean, she's like, I can't, No, we can. She'll be carrying that into her 80s. And she's like, some psychologist will be like, well, your dad, dude.
00:27:35
Speaker
My dad sold wood, bitch. My dad went to an all black club, motherfucker. That's right. Like a playa. No, ah yeah, i she'll be fine. But she was she was devastated. and i like so i And her mom actually was telling me,
00:27:52
Speaker
That ninth grade is like a great year in Costa Rica. So you've already been in high school for a few years. Most of the high schools are like 7th to 11th. And there's sometimes like an optional 12th. But you're already in there. But at that point, the older kids are just like, what's up? you you know You're not getting kicked around. and so's ah and then And then that's a year where all your friends are turning 15. So there's like constant parties all year. Wow.
00:28:13
Speaker
And I'm like, ninth grade in the US for me sucked. Oh, Because ninth grade sucks. But then I just just moved from Jersey to Colorado. And I had no friends. And I thought all you guys were fucking Ricks.
00:28:28
Speaker
And like it was just a different culture out there than Colorado. What's a Rick? yeah racial identity crisis, you guys were all like a bunch of Vanilla Ice dudes. And I'm like, you guys are all like, I mean, even that I'm like, who these motherfuckers are listening to? I never even heard of Bell Babe DeVoe.
00:28:43
Speaker
So you you fuckers were all this. I don't know if you personally, but I was just like, what are these guys doing? Because everyone back in Jersey just looks like a dirt bag, especially in late 80s with like longer hair and listening to all that shitty hair metal, hair music. That's what I was used to.
00:29:00
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Yeah. little mega death. yeah You saw me. I wasn't look, I didn't look like that, but like a range of Def Leppard to Slayer to, you know, so, but I, but, i but, but then I just had no friends. I was still pretty small. As you mentioned, I wasn't like, i hadn't like matured yet. So I was just like a little geek.
00:29:18
Speaker
They could spit game, but no one knew it. Yeah. Did you have a hard ninth grade? Actually, you were lucky because you were pretty big, and we didn't have we didn't have the older kids, so you were a prominent guy.
00:29:30
Speaker
Well, ninth grade was still hard ah but because we were won you know where we're one of – I guess we were in a school with seventh, eighth, ninth, and tenth at that time. But, yeah, I had come in with some friends and some different people I knew, although what happens is – things quickly diverge with a bigger population of people to like choose from. and it's And it's very uncomfortable. And like my girlfriend that I had in eighth grade kind of came along with this ninth grade scene and and that all fell apart. It was pretty disruptive. But no, my worst year was seventh going into a middle school where I knew and fucking nobody. You talked about, was that, was right was it you you rolled into Horizon seventh grade unknown as an unknown?
00:30:15
Speaker
Pretty much, because like you know the way it worked is, I think at the time, it was a new... Middle school was very large and I think multiple, I don't know how many elementary schools were feeding into it. And like, you know, if you just had one sixth grade class where we live, they might've gone to the middle school by Smokey Hill High School.
00:30:35
Speaker
Laredo. Laredo, as you know, which other people listening don't, but like they weren't too far from each other. But yeah, I went in there and just, there was nobody from elementary school there. And I like, Fuck, dude. I had to figure it out.
00:30:49
Speaker
Yeah, hindsight, you're like, oh, that must have been awesome as an adult. You're like, oh, that's great. Just a whole new social scene. But at the time, you're just like, fuck this.
School Transition Experiences
00:30:58
Speaker
I mean, I tell people all the time now and they don't believe me, but I'm like, you know, I'm pretty shy. And like these type of things where you're like forced to not be shy, where it's like, well, either I'm going to sit here and never talk to anyone or i got or something has to happen. That that sucks.
00:31:12
Speaker
I didn't know where to sit, bud. Like, I didn't know. i didn't have anybody to sit with. You remember anyone that... Like some, the either, the every once a while, there's been times like, hey man, you want to come sit with us? Or it's like an after school special, but anybody throw you an olive branch?
00:31:27
Speaker
Or did you say some girl liked you and that that set you up? Yeah, it was. I mean, what happened is this kind of popular eighth grade girl liked me pretty early that got me into some other, I guess, relationships.
00:31:41
Speaker
Because, you know, it's just a social ladder there. And ah put you on the map, so to speak. oh Yeah. And in debt to her forever. Yeah. And then i don't by the end of seventh grade, like I got my mom bought me some nice gotcha gear that I think started to like lift my reputation. But like pop. pop um But no, there was no popping. It was just a brutal fucking year all around.
00:32:07
Speaker
Brutal. I moved so many times in my life. Like, I moved, like, fourth grade I moved, eighth grade I moved, then then ever since then it's been, like, nonstop. But, well, now I guess I've kind of settled in Costa Rica.
00:32:19
Speaker
So I was kind of, i was used to that a little bit, but, like, i don't I don't have like the fondest memories of school, like high school or middle school. where I mean, I had friends in middle school in New Jersey. I've been there for a while. But in you know in the U.S., you get that. Fifth grade to sixth grade. is what what was ah What is Horizon? Was that sixth, seventh, eighth, your middle school? Yeah, but I didn't start until seventh because a my elementary went to sixth. Oh, that's probably why i didn't know as many people because they came in earlier, most most schools. Yeah, they had already they' had already grinded out the school. The tough year. Yeah, like my middle school, I started in sixth grade. and But we had two two or three feeder schools.
00:32:56
Speaker
But, you know, the town we lived in, Jersey, was kind of a small town. So i already knew some kids from playing baseball or playing soccer, football, and bad basketball. So I had known some kids. So that was just like, hey, what's up? It wasn't that bad.
00:33:11
Speaker
But they turn on you. you Yeah, but then you find out like, oh, i don't we have nothing in common. Yeah, or or or there are different forces working on them, like popularity forces. or it just that Kids will turn on you quick. like I first started wearing my brother's like Van Halen shit, and people were so calling me stoner.
00:33:32
Speaker
I didn't even even know what it was. But the stoners would all literally like hang out behind the basketball court and smoke. With with like rock T-shirts on and shit? Yeah, and they had the long hair and everything. and people They sound like they should have fucking moved a jersey.
00:33:46
Speaker
Seriously. So I got rid of that those t-shirts quick. It didn't help. But by eighth grade, because I was a good-looking kid, it's so funny du I had girlfriends that like brought my social status way up. So I actually became the part of the core, what you would call the most popular kids in eighth grade.
00:34:07
Speaker
Wow. Yeah, and that's where I picked you up. how How did you decide? Why did you go to Eagle Crest? m Was that your school? Yeah. I went there because Jim Eads, the basketball coach, was like basically pointing at he knew my brother. My brother was 6'4", and he just like, come to Eagle Crest.
00:34:29
Speaker
i was like, okay. Okay. Yeah, I don't know why I went there because my brother was going to Smokey. Well, you're pretty close to it. yeah Yeah, but I was like, the easy thing would have just been like, follow your brother. Then I would have had a senior, big senior dude playing the football team. Probably would have, probably would. I would have got some shit, but like in a cool way. Kind of like in the kid in days and confused.
00:34:52
Speaker
I would have been right. I would have been in the pipeline, dude. Your parents are probably looking at the lack of upperclassmen and going, okay, this is a good fit for this little... no puberty mofo no they were dude no eagle crest had so much bad press when we when that shit opened like it was built on a toxic waste dump it was like no one knew they they were trying some new math program that was ridiculous remember then the principal started tapping a music teacher something was on tv people calling it falcon chris and then and then a dean started like supposedly was like remember that soccer coach dean or something yeah he was touching girls and stuff boys oh it was a voice yeah was like a retreat he took what they do but but uh i don't i have one of our friends who played soccer who said like said that he thinks it was all bullshit he didnt he didn't believe it oh well
00:35:46
Speaker
Like it was and a false accusation to get some attention or something like that. And then obviously you can't, if you accuse somebody of that, even if it's not true, it's like they're done. I doubt that, but nobody chooses to have that kind of attention.
00:35:59
Speaker
That guy was... That... No, that does happen. there They were... Especially like middle school, there will be like... People accuse teachers of doing shit where it doesn't... it They didn't do it. I'm not saying... that There's also assholes out there that are pedophiles, but there is... There is that... I mean, think about like... that You could pretty easily hold power over your teacher...
00:36:19
Speaker
with that you know how i mean like like if you're you're a 14 year old and you're like you pretty easily are like oh my god i can ruin this guy's life and for a few people out there they might be just think in that era that that would have been so rare i think now yeah for sure i think that there's a um a power structure or social media that makes even understanding that as a possibility um just more uh you're more apt to do something like that i don't know that that was the kind of attention that anybody would want. Hey, I'm a guy and this male teacher was touching my schwang and was trying to get, I mean, nobody would want that.
00:36:56
Speaker
I'm not saying it was 50%. No, I know. I'm just saying this particular example, I don't buy that that is is what happened. Something happened. Who knows the extent of it? But that guy did not exactly look like.
00:37:08
Speaker
He was a prick too, wasn't he? Yeah, he didn't look like a friendly, like a nice guy. He didn't fit that mold. like the I don't know it's just so long ago so I don't remember the story and I probably didn't even think about that much at the time but like even the idea like it was the teacher was on a retreat with a student it's like wait red flag well they don't do that anymore you have to have but it's like why does anyone do that ever yeah oh right like I don't think it was like a class trip it was like it was a one-on-one so well I hope the guy at the kid got paid
00:37:45
Speaker
Don't click that. Anyways, dude. I'm looking at Tesla, dude. Tesla. my ah Yeah, my kids are starting school, so when I get back...
00:37:57
Speaker
get it we'll be right back into that grind, dude. I don't know if you're still in it, but we're still like, get everybody up and get them, you know, take them to school and all that. And like, you're not, you probably don't even see your kid in the morning, right? He's driving himself.
00:38:09
Speaker
I see him, but I don't. Like, if he sleeps in and misses, I just say, i saw you, bro. But I would say, we're having trouble because the coach is a total nightmare and continues to be.
00:38:24
Speaker
Pretty funny scene last night. Just, My kid yelling back at him. Other assistants trying to calm my kid down. It's just a shit show. And you know what he what he what he did to get that?
00:38:37
Speaker
The coach or your kid? My kid. To get that upset, you mean? No, to get yelled at. Oh, no. What do? you do Oh, he just scored like 27 points and had 12 rebounds. I mean, I'm just saying like the code this this guy just doesn't get how to reach kids. It's just getting so tiring.
00:38:55
Speaker
ah That was one of the top, you asked me what we want to talk about this week. I have ah a guy, a friend now through work, but like it's, he works with ah contracting interior design company and his kid is kind of going through the same thing as your kid. And and the coach, I like high school coaches. It's like,
00:39:14
Speaker
this is not, this is it for most people. Like, just make the experience good for him. Like, there's nothing else there for You're not, you're not, like, doing anything good for him and for the most part. only Only if you're good, you might teach him life lessons, but you're not going to make him get to the next level or any of that crap. And so this guy's got ah his kids, junior, luckily for him, but he's 6'5". He reminds me a lot of your your son's story. Like, hasn't filled out yet, but Plays hard.
00:39:44
Speaker
Probably will pop 6-6, 6-7. But he's getting, like, no playing time. And he doesn't really know why. He's got, like, summer league coaches that want him. And and it's kind of like... There's a kid on the team that's averaging, like, 32 points a game. So the the team is getting, like, looks and stuff. So it's like, this guy could run a rotation and probably get a lot of people looks. Or or just, like...
00:40:05
Speaker
run an ah offense that, you know, why not have a ah tall kid that can shoot? So they're not it's not the fucking New York Knicks. It's like, he's a decent player. At least the dad's telling me this and the dad seems like a realist.
00:40:16
Speaker
<unk> like It's like, he's fucking playing. But it's all the same crap where it's like, what is, it's just kind of like, what is the coach trying to prove? Like, what do these coaches have to prove?
00:40:28
Speaker
you know Yeah, i don't the playing time thing is is a whole different ballgame, but the right the screaming at kids and shaming them publicly and negative reinforcement stuff is so old school. It's like a bygone era. Nobody does it anymore. He's literally the only one. That i'm I don't understand. he is ah He's been around, though. like He's not a young dude.
00:40:49
Speaker
No. He's older than us, at least. yeah No, but nobody does that. Nobody that I've seen in the entire state. I didn't even know you could. Like, it just seems like you get you get like a parental revolt if you do any any sort of thing that's... Well, it's a trick it's a tricky situation because based on your friend's experience, that's the thing. Like, you don't want to jeopardize your kid's ability to have playing time. And these coaches have so much more power than they should. Like, I had another friend saying, yeah, the athletic director should go to x number of games to evaluate players.
00:41:25
Speaker
the coaching performance. And the coaching performance isn't about the wins and losses, which is a lot of what ADs measure. It's about how do treat- At the high school level? Yeah, how do you lead young men? Yeah.
00:41:37
Speaker
At the high school level, it should be about leading young men and into sort of a growth growth mindset. Now, if you wanna be one of those prep schools and all that, that's a whole different thing, but this is just, it's the worst demonstration of leadership I've seen in a sports setting.
00:41:54
Speaker
um if if the athletic director was there watching your co watching your son's coach like it they would you would think they'd be like cringing i know but i don't know that i've ever seen that person come to a game yeah i'll also say it's a it's a delicate balance i mean our coaches well yelled at us and but i felt like they knew the right our definitely football coaches kind of knew the right time But how did they yell at you?
High School Sports Coaching
00:42:24
Speaker
Let's get it going. yeah We're not tough enough right now. yeah they i The message is always about like it should mean something to you. if it if it means I remember Peterson...
00:42:37
Speaker
I use his name. remember Ronnie saying, like, it shouldn't mean more to me than it does to you guys. Like, I remember that. That was early in our career, yeah. And it was he was like he was almost checking himself up a little bit. In a way, it was kind of like, shit, what am I doing? you know like like But he was checking us up, and it it resonated.
00:42:56
Speaker
and and um But the message carries on through my whole life, because it's it's like... the message is like if something means something to you then you got you got to go all in on it and and like that's a good message i don't feel like you your son's getting a lot of life like life lessons out ah out of hoops no the the main one would be you know when i get into the workforce at least i'll have an option to quit and go find another job if if this is the situation right that's pretty much Yeah, there's all that shit about it. My friend is like, the guy the ah guy with the other son, is he's he's really proud of his kid right now because he' like he's you know he's he's being a great teammate. He's not like sitting on the bench pouting. He's high-fiving people and he's taking it and he's he just keeps working harder. And his idea is like, I'm going to put on, he's like 6'5", 160 or something like that. But he's like, I'm putting on 30 pounds and he can kiss my ass next year because there's no way he's got an excuse.
00:43:52
Speaker
And that's great. like He's like, I'm going to overcome this shit. So... is a little as a parent as a coach as little there's that delicate thing of like hey adversity you're gonna deal with it your whole life but it's also like fuck these years are fleeting and they and there's just deal with adversity or not but you and there's just you're not it's like oh you might go play in a rec league when you're older but there's just nothing to replace with like your high school experience No, no. And I would say the playtime thing is a bit more complicated. i almost always side with the coach and that sounds hardcore, but the parents see an idealized version of their kids.
00:44:28
Speaker
And if you've coached, you don't, but the playtime, the playtime thing is, is difficult. But there's there there are coaches that have those battles and they're just like, nope, I'm not playing that kid. And it's more for like personal reasons. Yes, and that has happened with this guy that coaches my kid. That has happened multiple times. The bulk of it is...
00:44:49
Speaker
a kid who's not very good the parents see that see them as michael jordan and the coach is like come on man like he's not playing because he's the eighth best kid on the team at best you know that's most uh most of people bitching about their kids not playing the other parents are like uh come on right yeah right right and you know I do think it's sad. One of the things i get mad about is a lot of coaches, you know even if you're up 20, they only give the guys coming off the bench like 90 seconds, maybe two minutes. I just think that's unnecessary. I think you can do – usually you can do half of the fourth quarter.
00:45:24
Speaker
Basketball is interesting, though. he he it's ah It reminds me a little bit when I was there with you. like He was saying that... ah he's said he's that He's funny. he was telling me there was like another parent who grew up in East St. Louis.
00:45:36
Speaker
and and Pretty forward and vocal. And he's sitting behind the bench. Hey, coach! You know you got a six five kid that can shoot sitting on the bench and like yelling yelling at the coach? I've seen...
00:45:47
Speaker
you You're ready. you There are couple times where you would like to be like, dude, what the fuck are you doing when you're sitting behind the parents and basketball right on top of it where like football, baseball, you're not necessarily like right up in it.
00:45:58
Speaker
you know Maybe baseball. Yeah. It's like I wish I kind of wish I was a black dude and I could sit and just be like, there's ah there's a freedom in that sport. Rightfully so ah for black folks to express their views. Yeah. And I've just seen it so many times. I've seen it in terms of that. interact Exactly. That's basically what he was saying. Interactions with refs. And it's great.
00:46:22
Speaker
I wish I could do that. But like I got i got the wife I've got. She won't have that. But like I've I've bailed out recently. a few times, but from far back.
00:46:32
Speaker
But it's... But you, i I don't know, you tell me, but I feel like you're kind of like, same with this guy. It's not like my son. It's like, this guy's going, what are you doing like ah with your team? And you kind of get, you feel that way too, a little bit.
00:46:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it has nothing to do. My son's still the star. Yeah, he's doing fine. It's just that it's i such an adversarial, low-culture environment that as a parent you just wonder, why on earth would you lead that way?
00:47:07
Speaker
It would seem to be so easy to correct these kids. i don't I don't think the problem you have is I need to scream at them like you want to get a fucking horse running and sprinting or something. I don't know what animal you scream at.
00:47:20
Speaker
Probably none, actually. But you you think you're going to get more out of them. It's just so counterproductive and dumb. He's got a weird style. mean, when I was there, it was it was like, it was kind of mocking. It was this weird mocking and sarcastic. Like when they were walking to the locker room at halftime after they they they were up by 10 and kind of blew a lead. Then he called a weird timeout when they were rolling. And then he was just like, I guess that's what we're going to do, huh? Or like, it was so weird.
00:47:47
Speaker
But there's, I mean, it is, coaching's not easy. And the guy that has like knows when to push the buttons at the right time is, is, uh, There's so much value in that. But but I just wonder, what like what are you getting out of your, what do what do you think you're doing most of the time with like in high school sports? It's like, come on, dude. Right, but you can get intense.
00:48:07
Speaker
It's just I have another friend and he uses phrases like, and he's coached before and I use so some of this kind of stuff too. You can get intense and you should at times. It's like, I need more out of you.
00:48:18
Speaker
i know what you can do. right i know what you can bring. i need more out of you right now. That that right there works. Wrapped in positivity in a way. it's It's essentially saying, I know what you can bring. You just got to show. And this dude...
00:48:35
Speaker
It's just comical. That's kind of funny. I try to do with my kids like about school, and and I i like tell them they're basically geniuses. and they're just like My daughter will like, yeah, i don't that's not true. It's not like I'm so much better in all the other kids there. it something And I'll be like, well, that's because you're in a school that if if you're there, that you know the parents obviously are like value education.
00:48:58
Speaker
She's just like, yeah, whatever. It's pretty funny. but um To kind of full circle this, I really do think that the the the presidency and the political landscape is demonstrating just levels of of real poor leadership and just sort sort of very dysfunctional styles that I wonder how it will permeate across the country over the next five, 10 years, just in terms of like what people give themselves permission to do, especially with kids, especially where there's a power structure or a power imbalance.
00:49:29
Speaker
And I can't tell I'm hearing some of of it like brewing like through social media. i know I'm not on social media, but it kind of hits the news cycle. I don't know if those trends are starting, but you hear like that maybe they kind of are.
00:49:42
Speaker
it's just a sad way to lead, dude. Oh, we didn't talk about that, dude. Like. Yeah, it's popular, but I think it'll flip, but the world's going pushing. Right. Uh, we, we, we, we started talking about our kids and shit, but the, the Costa Rica kind of voted right, or at least right for what's outside the U S is, is like moderate. Right. But that, you know, that's happening.
Political Shifts in Costa Rica
00:50:07
Speaker
Mm-hmm. out there in places where you wouldn't expect it and and there the whole thing they just kept pushing security security and you know a lot of people like well yeah it's like the security suck meaning like there's more homicide there's more uh violent crime and stuff happening in costa rica now than ever before and people voted right because the message from that person is that sort of hard ass fuck all the criminals you know we're gonna take care of it and clean the streets Yeah, it's fear.
00:50:38
Speaker
It's fear-laced. It's just like, yeah, I'm going to... You shouldn't have to live this way under crime-ridden streets and so forth. I don't know what the actual truth is in Costa Rica. I'm sure there's plenty of crime, but...
00:50:51
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I hate to talk about it cause I'm like, I'm jinxing myself, but I don't feel any less safe now than ever. But supposedly there's just a lot of sort of like low level gang land, gang and drug, drug activity of people kind of fighting for turf type stuff. So there's a lot of homicides related to narco trafficking.
00:51:09
Speaker
Yeah. Like everywhere. Yeah. Like everywhere in the world. mean, Well, if you're between Columbia in the U S you're in a narco traffic area. So, but it went right. And, uh, it's like, it's, it's kind of crazy. I mean, the, I I'm not that impressed what I've seen from the, from the, the candidate and, and a lot of people, uh, um, a lot of, a lot of people are like, this lady's an idiot, but.
00:51:37
Speaker
And if you're gonna be a woman and run, you should be hot. Yeah, I don't think we, right. Matt. We didn't. Yeah, I agree, but we didn't, it's not, it's not even like one of Trump's like, Trump lawyers as, as they say, uh, yeah.
00:51:56
Speaker
You should be hot. Everyone should be hot. I mean, I'm sure people, I'm sure women like looking at, they love looking at a good looking politician all the time. Of course. Of course. So don't let that, don't let trim off the hook for that, bro. No, no. these But in particular, women have to be hot.
00:52:13
Speaker
Or they won't get respect. I wonder what a super hot, like it's never happened. like a so i know you I know you were probably, you were kind of jacking it to Kamala, but like a real hot,
00:52:25
Speaker
Like, do you think that would, that would help her candidacy or hurt her candidacy? Like over the top hot, like my level hot, but in a woman. I wonder if women would support it. And I, and it just, it depends on how they came across.
00:52:39
Speaker
Yeah. Well, women are women better about, when they'd be like, oh, she's so cute. Or women be like, fuck that bitch. Yeah. It could be that the latter there. Yeah. You think that, who was that Alaskan girl that kind silly? was attractive. I think ran for vice president. Yeah, Palin. you think that helped her hurt her?
00:52:56
Speaker
Her looks? Yeah, did it make her look dumber in a way? Because it was like, oh, how can someone good-looking be? no, no i didn't. She wasn't like a supermodel or anything. No, her looks helped her for the persona she was trying to embody, the soccer mom persona. I think it it helped. Now, her problem was her actual ability to communicate.
00:53:17
Speaker
I always felt like she was from Milwaukee or something. She's from Alaska. Yeah. and she She just didn't know. or jabs She just didn't know basic things about the government. But also today, she would be such a top shelf candidate relative to what we deal with now.
00:53:34
Speaker
I would take about a hundred of her. I don't know how she's fallen in terms of like like gotten mag of bat shit i don't know what her deal is but i'm just saying whatever that person was way back then when she was with mccain i'll take her i mean i don't i don't to say she doesn't exist but she's not <unk> relevant right no i don't know what what's going on there that trim's all worked it's done it we talked about yeah like ah early in the in the But I remember i eat it she she supposedly hooked up with Glenn Rice.
00:54:07
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Like when he was at Michigan and they they had that Alaska shootout. Yeah. Which think that was like good for both of them, you know? He blew that trim up early then.
00:54:18
Speaker
Mm. All right. right well I think we tapped this thing out, bro. Yeah. All right, man. Well, keep mixing with the races, dude. Proud of you. I gotta go back and go on heading south tomorrow. And it's interesting that I'm at like Cape Costa Rica is not that it's completely diverse and because everyone just kind of looks like a diverse person, but it's not, it's not that diverse of a place.
00:54:45
Speaker
Just, yeah. It's mentally and emotionally homogenous, like total idiots in the brain, but you know, brown skin.
00:54:56
Speaker
End on that, bro. End on that. No editing. No editing. Peace. All right. These motherfuckers crazy.
00:55:16
Speaker
Can you feel it? I'm piece of shit. Can you smell it? I'm a piece of shit. Everybody want to come hear my problems