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Speaker: anyone why back Back in the room. Back in the room again. Back in the room. And just before we we were back in the room, you were just telling me that you'd never had maple syrup.
Speaker: No. You'd never had maple syrup. Never passed my lips. which Which is. I haven't avoided it. You know, haven't avoided it I actually went to Canada in 1975.
Speaker: Wow. and Spent a month in Vancouver. Right. And had we in and and was this be before they invented maple syrup, perhaps?
Speaker: is that Yeah. maybe No, don't think so. I think I was too, I was too like, um I don't know, I could say I was all consumed by McDonald's at that time that hadn't arrived in the UK by, at that time, hadn't arrived.
Speaker: And I was distracted by like, wow, what the hell? We only had like wind wimpy, wimpy bars. Yeah. And they had this thing called, well, they 7-Eleven stores in 1975 and McDonald's. It was like, whoa, what the hell is going on here?
Speaker: so I didn't have time. I didn't have time for maple syrup. All right. Clearly. Well, just. just We just lost our Canadian audience. I know. they just but Well, hopefully hopefully this will bring them back. So because of all these oh tariff talks, right, between America and Canada,
Speaker: I bought like a case of maple syrup. cost me about 150 American dollars.
Speaker: I bought a case of it. Right. So that should see me through for a while. Yeah. because the Because the price was only going to go up.
Speaker: So went, what? Bulk buy that shit. Okay. What about eggs? Eggs. Don't talk to told me about eggs. ah What about eggs? I mean, you know, eggs are still expensive.
Speaker: well mean I don't know whether the price is going up and up and up, isn't it, in the States? for you're you're Right, because they had like avian flu, so they had to kill a lot of birds.
Speaker: And then the obviously the the price of eggs went up. um Yeah.
Speaker: Blimey. Yeah, so their eggs are a little bit in and out, life I find. Anyway. Certainly for the chickens, it's in and out. It's mostly out, mate. It's mostly out.
Speaker: All right, so let's get back on track, shall we? Yes, let's get back on track. yes This episode is for anyone who has wondered if bendy brains and racy minds might be linked to bendy arms and curvy spines.
Speaker: Yes. Otherwise known as hypermobility. um So let's go to a place where the distractions are landmarks and the detours are the main roads.
Speaker: Welcome to ADHDville.
Speaker: Papal syrup is the... Papal syrup, never had it, never crossed my lips. Hello, I'm Paul Thompson. I was diagnosed with the combined ADHD crawling towards two years ago, actually. Crazy.
Speaker: And I'm Martin West and I was diagnosed with the combined ADHD poo-poo platter in 2013.
Speaker: So we're two mates. it's That's what's written here anyway. two Two mates who, by coincidence or not, after 39 years of friendship, crawling towards 30, discover that we're co-ADHDers. Now, it's really important to say this is an entertainment podcast about adult ADHD and does not substitute for individualized advice from qualified health professionals.
Speaker: So don't take any advice from him. Or him. We're just here as a kind of all-inclusive ADHD part, mate. Room for everyone, including your doppelgangers, your alter egos, your buddy doubles, your chaperones, and even your best buddies.
Speaker: Still here? Freaking miracle, that is. Then grab your jetpacks, pedal-o, space hoppers, or any other transportation methods, and let us take you to ADHDville, an imaginary town that we've created in our minds. In our minds.
Speaker: where we like to explore different parts of the A, the D the and the H again. And the D. And we start off as we have been ah it's at the ah at the king's agitated head.
Speaker: Where we, the ex-mayors of ADHDville, take care of business. And this week we are talking about ADHD and hypermobility. Oh, it rhymes. I've just realized.
Speaker: um So so we've wave we've already burnt up a lot of time. So let's crack on. Let's crack on. where are we Where are we going, Mr. T? Go to the spa, Martin.
Speaker: oh and Yeah, let's go to the spa. I think it would be good. treatments We might need it after talk of hypermobility. um all it We might. And the fallout from it.
Speaker: I'm enjoying getting into in in into our tractor and then pulling up outside the spa. Like I kind of feel I like that. Yeah. ink and good in concgraruity Oh, that's yes.
Speaker: Nice. Good word. Yeah. All right. Let's jump in. All right. Squeeze up. Yeah. Let's
Speaker: get in. Hello. Hello. Hello.
Speaker: Did we remember to take the plough off the back this time? No. No, I can ah keep forgetting to take the plough off, and now there's just like a ridge all the way from the pub to the spa.
Speaker: Yes. But as we've said... Solve the pothole problem. Yeah, yeah. bike by Instead of having six potholes, there is now just one long one.
Speaker: It's just one. lets Exactly. But, you know, it's it's it's for the the current mayor to concern himself with. They've got options now. They could see the roads if they wanted to.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Screw them. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Anywho. Yeah, we we might need this bar because um hypermobility, bit bit of a tough subject because there's still this this ah this research out there by important people, people talking about it, you know, that really know what they're talking about.
Speaker: But there's still a lot to be done on the subject. Right. she Should we just kind of give like a real basic of what is hypermobility? Yes.
Speaker: i I think... and The simplest explanation is that it basically means that your joints have a bit too much a bit tune bit too much bit too much freedom. have the and that that They don't know when to to quit.
Speaker: yeah they're they're kind of ah little bit um yeah they can They can kind of bend and be pushed in in in further than your average joint, which does cause a whole bunch of issues and problems. And yes and we'll come up to this, linked to ADHD in interesting ways. Now, I have to say, i don't have this.
Speaker: I don't have this. No, none of it. Are you sure? I'm going to, I'm going to poke around in, I'm going to poke around ah and, um, see if you have got something.
Speaker: All right. and I've got something here called the, uh, the Bainton score. which is how to access joint hypermobility.
Speaker: And there's a bunch of little quick little things that that you can do to see whether this is something that you have. Now, obviously, this is going to work better if you're watching on YouTube. But, Mr. T, if you have your kind of hand out, like with with your palm dipped down, and yeah and you lift your pinky finger up, your little your your little finger, if you can get it to like...
Speaker: beyond degrees up. So that's your little finger, not your thumb. Is that your thumb?
Speaker: That's my little finger. All right, so...
Speaker: all right Oh, there we go. yeah yeah so so yeah Yeah, yeah. So have to hold it up to the camera a bit more because it all – there we go. All right. So, yeah. So if you can go beyond 90, that's one.
Speaker: and And you know the the one where you kind of use – Yes. If you can get your thumb to touch your – your wrist, you know, you you kind of, yeah ah come your I can't do that either.
Speaker: yeah So that's, so that's one. And that there's a couple more like that. So it seems like loads so there's loads of others. All right. tons of others there's a thing right okay so it's early doors on a lot of this a lot of this but there's stuff out there especially well stuff i found in the uk at least there's a there's a dr jessica eccles she's she's a specialist on this she's uh she's a senior lecturer at sussex university in the uk also uh dr james custo consultant, a adult psychiatrist for adult ADHD in London, also is working currently with the the NHS National Health Service in the UK on this stuff and has frequently um presented.
Speaker: um on this subject of hypermobility. So there's a lot of stuff out there, but the stuff is going more and more is going to stuff, more with more of this going to come out.
Speaker: Hypermobility is not exclusive to people who have ADHD or autism, okay? It can be something separate. But if you have ADHD or if you're autistic, you're twice as likely to have hypermobility.
Speaker: And all the stuff that comes out of it, good and bad, right? ah There's this by no means coincidence that the superstar gymnast, Simone ah Biles, has hypermobility.
Speaker: She's a gymnast. Okay. You do the maths on that. Other people, Chris Rock, Daniel Radcliffe, David Bowie, all had both ADHD and hypermobility.
Speaker: Yes, you did. I'm hypermobile. We could be heroes just for one day. no, oh um no that's it. I've got David Bowie lodged in my brain.
Speaker: I need to exercise him. So, yeah, twice, as I said, twice as likely to have hypomotory and related pain. Okay. So it can be, you can cause
Speaker: Okay. All right. Which I have, like in bucket loads. Oh, right. but My spine looks like, i don't know, a roller coaster ride, you know the rails going up and down and sideways.
Speaker: My back is all over the shop. but I've got, there's other signs, Martin's mentioned about flexibility, but if you've got particularly long arms and limbs and hands and fingers,
Speaker: It can be a sure sign, okay, of that kind of thing. Me, for instance, I've got exceptionally long arms and exceptionally long fingers. Yeah. Like an orangutan.
Speaker: Look. Basically. I'm touching the ceiling for those on YouTube. Oh, blimey. I've got short arms, short fingers. If I go to the left, I could touch France. Wow. Wow.
Speaker: If I go that way, I could touch Croatia. That's how long they are. No, but they are exceptionally long. Give a bit of a tickle. Completely.
Speaker: I have particularly um disproportionately long arms and hands. All right. So, you know, when Michelangelo was doing that famous drawing that he did of man, it's like, yes, creation of man and that.
Speaker: And if you'd rock. Oh, Vesuvius for that job. Yes. It's called. All right. If he was interviewing for, for the model.
Speaker: Yeah. For that particular drawing, he you were rocked up and he'd been like, no, mate. Yeah. Would not have particularly famous. That drawing.
Speaker: It would have been dumped. Right. It's like, you know, yeah. and isared in individual I'm a bit of a freak. I've got my, my arms are ridiculously long.
Speaker: All right. So it's good for like picking, picking yourself up off the floor. Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker: And there's other weird stuff. um that should There is actually a chi of ah proper name for this. ah It's currently most people call it hypermobility.
Speaker: It's actually called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, EDS for short, another freaking acronym to deal with. And it's, there's actually 13 different groups of things that oh jesus ah fit within that loose joints, as we're just talking about joints, stretchy, velvety skin. Come on, Martin. I'm poking velvety skin. That sounds nice. ah far for frier Have you got stretchy, velvety skin?
Speaker: Velvety skin. I don't think so. I think it's average. I think I have average. All right. Okay. How about you abnormal scar formation?
Speaker: Oh, no, no. I do have a bunch of scars after my kidney surgery, but yeah, that's okay. It's it's good, mate. Thanks for asking.
Speaker: But it actually joint dislocations, scoliosis, as I mentioned, ah dissection. osteoarthritis it could also be a sign yeah okay i i feel like i'm starting to get arthritis i just feel like it in my in my fingers i sometimes feel like i do in your bones yeah i can feel it my bones oh you know when it's wet outside when it's raining oh i can feel it in my joints you know
Speaker: ah with Especially when I find as I get older, I really feel the change of seasons, like between right now, for instance. Right. I get intense fatigue.
Speaker: I get really tired between more and more. When there's change of seasons, I feel it more and more. I'm not surprised that you do feel it, Paul, with your long arms. You've got one arm out in in in winter and the other arm's out in spring.
Speaker: That's how long your arms are. That's right. That's right. I like Stretch Armstrong. Armstrong. like Did they have Stretch Armstrong in the States or is it just an English name? No, i think I think it came from… It is English. It is American.
Speaker: I think it is American. Stretch Armstrong. It sounds American as a name, Stretch Armstrong. Yeah. Yeah. Feedback in the, you know, give some feedback on that. And what do you Americans out there but stretch Armstrong?
Speaker: Okay. Yeah. um So as a result of all of these things, you know, it's not just like, you know, for doing party tricks, you know, show your mates how much you can bend your elbow back.
Speaker: It can cause extreme pain. So if you've got like me scoliosis, ah Chronic, you can, if you're like me, live most of your life with chronic headaches.
Speaker: Oh, no one wants that. No, I have that. Or even hearing loss can occur in some types of this ting. Okay. Sorry, mate, what was it yeah Yeah, yeah. I'll whisper it in the other ear.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So, yeah, I mean, it's sort of so if I'm not, is there nothing there that you've got at all? Nothing? No. Stretchy skin. I am not this person.
Speaker: out of and and yeah and And it's funny because out of every episode that we've ever done, this is like episode 78, I think, I've been able to relate to the subject for every single one except this one.
Speaker: Okay. I don't know. I've got nothing, Paul. I've got nothing. Okay. Personally, i have to I have no anecdotes of my arm popping out.
Speaker: or um No, I haven't that. Yeah. of um of Of any of these things. Okay. It is strongly linked also to clumsiness because of the physiological effects and therefore dyspraxia.
Speaker: Yes. ah We've done an episode, episode 32 with our lovely guest, Chloe. She talks about her dyspraxia. Yeah. And actually, we are trying to get her her back. So we're having a little bit of a conversation with her to kind of be great to have her back.
Speaker: Yeah. um Yeah. So yeah, frequent pop, as you just mentioned, frequent popping or clicking sounds in your joints is a sign. I'm going to read out what it says here.
Speaker: Due to ADHD's effect on attention and hypermobility effect on joint flexibility, a person might find it difficult to hold hold their posture for a long time as it can lead to constant it can lead constant shifting and leaning or adjusting position, often leading to discomfort,
Speaker: or awkward body movements that seem out of place. Ticking that box, personally. can't stand in one space for long. I get terrible back pain if I stand still.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Literally just standing still gives me gives me back problems. so Yeah. I think it's now under that that yeah sitting in... in positions that look really painful but feel comfy yes that was something that that that i came ah kind came across oh okay yeah i used to sit on my leg a lot i don't do it anymore when i was at school i was known actually i was pulled up by a teacher once i was taken it to one side and left there for i just sit on my leg yeah
Speaker: Yeah. I don't know whether that was me subconsciously stopping myself from stimming. Yeah. that's what that's that's what That's what I was thinking. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's going on here? Hang on. I've zoomed on my copy and it won't zoom back in now. I've just got my giant copy. I can't see anything. What's going Well, while you're doing that, I'll have enough to.
Speaker: Yeah, I'll get it back. Maybe. but While you're doing that, I will i i will say that that but the that one more thing that ADHD and and hypermobility kind of overlap is that is it is it sometimes when you have ADHD, you don't realize that that you are in in pain, yeah that your ADHD kind of can yes override that whole you know your joints and your things being in pain and you don't and you don't really necessarily know yeah which actually ironically can lead to actually extra pain because you're not adjusting as you should right
Speaker: Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's all fun and games. Blimey. I was just thinking that that you can probably find these people because these are these are the people that at parties after after a few drinks, they'll be like, hey, look, can you do this?
Speaker: And then they'll pull out that little hypermobility trick, right? Yeah. And you go, ooh, I can't do that.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's the most popular, isn't Like party tree, isn't it? Um, individuals, it says here, um, individuals with ADHD often have heightened sensory sensitivity that can compound, can be compounded by hope or mobility. Okay.
Speaker: Um, um, so, so they often touching their skin or joints, leading them to adjust their posture or or fidget excessively.
Speaker: So it's just like it compounds the stimming even more and the the difficulty in staying staying still. All right. Yeah. Stim, stim, stim.
Speaker: It can be the opposite of flexibility. It can also mean the complete opposite of it can mean tension or locking of joints. Ooh. Now I have to think, is that me?
Speaker: don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, I'm just testing all my joints now. um one One by one, you know what Some people can have some people can have um excessive flexibility in their limbs, but um'm perversely, they have a weaker grip than normal.
Speaker: Ooh, weak grip. A weak grip. Have you got a weak grip, Martin? You know what? that that That's always the fear, isn't it? When you have to do a handshake... which, you know, I don't like.
Speaker: Do you like doing a handshake, Paul? I hate doing handshakes. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan. I'm okay with handshakes. Hugging, no.
Speaker: Right. Or being touched. If someone touches me on the knee or something, you know, and we're not, you know, I don't like being touched. Even if it's by my girlfriend, if I don't know it's coming, I will tense up.
Speaker: Jump. And then she goes, oh, so you don't like me touching you, dude? No, it's just you didn't. I need to know that. Otherwise, it's... yeah um Yeah, I know. But no, I mean, like when you sort of go for a handshake and you have to kind of grip someone's hand, there was always that thing of like, oh, has to be a firm handshake. So you have to kind of give the hand a bit of a grip.
Speaker: bit of a squeeze and i just yeah I just don't like that although you know what if someone does give me a weak handshake I go oh that's a weak handshake yeah yeah right okay okay yeah oh that was horrible like ah yeah like i'd I'd much prefer a proper firm handshake rather than a weak one because no one hang show what no one likes a weak handshake it makes me feel weird.
Speaker: I've just realized that. Yeah. Yeah. ah But there's there's a lot a psychology though as well, isn't there? not just like a strength of, physics it's not just a physical thing.
Speaker: Some people like narcissists generally have a very strong handshake because ah it's it's a way of, you know, dominating the space. or attempting to can see that yes yeah yes that's that's why my mom's handshake was was like an iron grip right hello mom hello son handshake ah god damn it let go she still doesn't let go no she i guess she's guessing she has because she's died yes
Speaker: know That's but that definitely letting go. That's up there in the definitions of letting go. It's up there. Definitely let go. Thank God.
Speaker: Blimey. Yeah, that I mean, that's it. I mean, I... It's not a like we can't pretend to be experts as we never do. Experts on this subject. There is going to be stuff coming out, more stuff about this coming out.
Speaker: I just think it was useful to have a quick, fairly quick for us episode about this because um it's out there. I didn't know anything about it about until about three weeks ago.
Speaker: And ah my mind was officially blown. Blown. blown and uh definitely worth um it's not been have i haven't seen it being talked about much at all and i've looked well doing research for our for our podcast you do you get to see you read and watch a lot of stuff about adhd and it's not out there at the moment particularly all right Yeah. Clearly licked.
Speaker: I mean, just like some of the stuff from my notes I've got here about shared symptoms, ADHD and hypermobility. So both ADHD and hypermobility can make it harder to sense where your your your body is in space, leading to clumsiness or frequent injuries.
Speaker: So, you know, like, because yeah because your brains are elsewhere and you don't really, you know, you're fighting around. it and you Yeah. I have excellent coordination. You've probably noticed, Martin.
Speaker: Yeah. You know what? And people have set the eyes doubts there was as as oops ah people said that I do as well, but I i can't see it either.
Speaker: I mean, I don't think I do. But do you remember our first guest talking about synchronization? Yeah. ah Jonathan.
Speaker: Jonathan. His wife is a dance teacher and they've been married for many years. So they didn't know each other very well. She said that he's a good dancer, but he's always slightly offbeat.
Speaker: he's he' His dancing moves are not quite in time with the music. Not quite snappy enough. shop Yeah, but not like on yeah on it.
Speaker: i've ah i've it's I've known a couple of people who have said suggested the same to me. Actually, their words were, Paul, you so you so you dance to you're completely your own rhythm.
Speaker: Right. And you're like, yeah, I'm just free so freestyling it, man. I'm freestyling. I just go, what are you talking about? Then we're just we're back to dancing. In your head.
Speaker: In my head. you're like You're like super on the beat, like a John Travolta. I'm so on it. Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, that's People standing around and pointing at me. Yeah. And you're thinking, my God, I must be good. My God. Yes. I thought I was a bad dancer. Right.
Speaker: I've got pain and fatigue. Many hypermobility people experience chronic pain and fatigue, which can worsen ADHD-related executive dysfunction. So you know how it is, Paul. Like, if you've got pain and fatigue and your body feels like it's in going through hell, like, that doesn't make your ADHD symptoms any better.
Speaker: No. It makes it harder. It makes it just harder to exist. Damn harder. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: um And then I've got the last thing i've got is why does this happen? Why? Oh, why? Why the hell does it happen? And there's speculation from what I can work out that there's speculation the spect both conditions, ADHD and hypermigility, stem from connective tissue and nervous system dead differences, possibly tied to collagen genes,
Speaker: and yes dopamine regulation but as you say the research is ongoing it's on ongoing there is a man and woman in an office somewhere in a lab they're doing it right now with looking into it fast tubes and microscopes yeah and um and as ever it's very hereditary my mum My mum said I had exactly the same arms and limbs as her father.
Speaker: Who was an orangutan as well? He was an orangutan as well. not Not the hairy kind. No, but the shaved kind. Neither was he the ginger kind.
Speaker: um right so All right. So you you in inherited yeah yeah your limbs, your bones. The problem was my granddad, he was two meters tall.
Speaker: I'm a lot less than two meters. I'm 170, 171, but pretty much the same limbs. Same arms. Picture that, if you will, listeners.
Speaker: Yeah, picture that, if you will, that miracle and you know joyous lack of, um of um what you what do you call it? um Proportion.
Speaker: A lack of proper proportions. Right. Yes. Yeah, the the the kind of proportions that Michelangelo would have just rejected you.
Speaker: He would have thrown his pencil at someone, I'm sure, if I was the model. He'd be going like, I'm sure this idea was a good one. Hang on.
Speaker: Am I thinking of Leonardo to to to da Vinci? ah Da Vinci. that's that's yeah That's who I'm thinking of. Yeah, Vitruvian Man, Da Vinci, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. But actually no one is like Vitruvian man. Vitruvian man is complete nonsense. No one's like that at all. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm, you know, therefore he he, he, he probably had a bunch of models come in. You were in there yeah and, and he was like, Oh, you you know what?
Speaker: I give up. I give up. I'm just going make it up. He had a standing by the wall. It's like the scene from The Usual Suspects. You know, there was me, Kevin Spacey.
Speaker: Oh, God. Lined up. And, yeah, he just, luckily for him, he just had someone there had, like, beautiful proportions. Oh, right.
Speaker: And it wasn't me or Kevin Spacey. Good for him. Yeah. Good for him. All right. Well, do we have anything else on on this particular subject? I'm actually quite lacking on this and unapologetically because I don't want to overstretch myself. I know that's complete nonsense.
Speaker: ah I've been overstretching myself for years. Well, if you're going to overstretch yourself, do it on do it on a podcast about hypermobility. hear you scream.
Speaker: Right. So if anyone anyone's out there who is or does suffer from hypermobility, get in the comments. getting the oh There is something about stretching, actually, if you're hypermo if you have hypermobility.
Speaker: Hypermobility people and ADHDers combined, they tend to overstretch and more like to cause themselves injury. Overstretching.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do sometimes find that my knees can just go a little bit over stretchy, little bit front ways, like ah like a very occasionally.
Speaker: And that hurts. Okay.
Speaker: ah Okay. I guess. um you We didn't take any boxes for you then. you I poked you, but nothing happening. nothing Nothing, nothing, nothing. I am just not that person.
Speaker: Right. Today you're just unpokeable. I am sans poke. You're pokeless. Right. so But, you know, if you're out there, if if you're the kind of person that can fold up into a pretzel and forget why you were doing the pretzel thing.
Speaker: Yeah. then Maybe you don't even like pretzels, but you just like the shape. Right. If you are a human pretzel, um' sure. get Get in the comments, maybe come on the podcast and we can talk about it more.
Speaker: Exactly. but If you're like me, i was listening to a podcast about this um and I was just like guy I was ticking loads of boxes personally.
Speaker: Loads. All right. Yeah. All right. Well, I think that kind of like pretty much wraps that up. I think we can. does wraps it up. We get back in the tractor.
Speaker: Yeah. think we left it. We left it in the car park of the spa, having plowed our way through the city. Right. I think we're going to plow our way back.
Speaker: Back to the to the post post office. All right. Jump in. And take those two the two cucumbers off your eyes from the scar. Yes.
Speaker: Cucumber eyes, how they turn so pale. um All right, well, where's the bit that says? Oh, it's you, isn't it? they to I think they turned pale because they had myxomatosis.
Speaker: there's There is a good ch-ch-choke about that, which... Mixed mitosis. Did you tell me those? it's not what I've mind. No. alright All right.
Speaker: Anyway, let's just crack on. So this is the bit where you say... ah where I say, um what do I say? so I say your feedback, well, I say in a very timely way and professional way, slick even, some would call it.
Speaker: Your feedback is vital to us, and we read all your comments. We might even read one of yours, Martin, on on a future podcast. Like this one.
Speaker: Like this one. From Shelley on YouTube, who was talking about the episode on Sonder, which was, oh my Lord, I think it's about three episodes back.
Speaker: yeah and she's And she was very intrigued by the yin-yang principle of cooperating or of cooperative balances between autistic and ADHD traits and said that she really enjoyed this topic.
Speaker: And so did we. So did we very much. yes Exactly. All right. Well, this little kind of funky little short, shorter than, than the normal yeah episode.
Speaker: um Ironically, we didn't stretch out the podcast about hypermobility. There's something, no something wrong about something wrong there. Yeah. Anyway.
Speaker: um All right, so that just leaves it for me to say that ADHD really is delivered fresh every Tuesday to all purveyors of fine podcasts. Please subscribe to the pod and rate us most bendy.
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Speaker: Get the flesh. Flesh. Get fleshy. Pop the bones. Pop the bones. Yeah. There.
Speaker: Never have too much flesh produce.
Speaker: Oh, well, I might well just play it out till the end. Yeah. You know what Right at the end. Right, that bit. Till when? Yeah. About No. i not and
