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Speaker: in the room. Back in the familiar room. Back in the room. Punch in the air. All right. So this is um a good and the bad and ugly episode where Paul and I get to talk about our ADHD lives.
Speaker: Catch up. yeah um Eighth edition. Eighth edition. Check out the other ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to kind of like. you know, keep up with the story thus far.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And often, you know we you know, a lot of the episodes we do, they're on like like obviously theme-based and stuff, but sometimes, you know, the kind of interesting stuff, you know, it's like the the little things, a little detail that happen in our lives.
Speaker: Yeah, we are we are trying to emotionally bond with you. Yes. By sharing something of ourselves. Yes. So hopefully you will go in the comments and share something of yourself too.
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Speaker: Welcome to ADHDville.
Speaker: Up in my head
Speaker: Good, bad and ugly. Good, bad ugly edition. Eight. Okay. Hello, I'm Paul Thompson and i was diagnos diagnosed with the kabi combined ADH and the D crawling towards a couple of years ago.
Speaker: and I'm Marty West and I was designated the ADHD combined poo-poo bladder. ah yeah Yes, I was supposed to say diagnos diagnosed, but but then I forgot what that word was.
Speaker: It just evaporated. In front of you. Right in front of me. Okay. So, ah yeah, so ah I was, yeah, so in 2013. So I've had it quite while. And we start off, as as as as we have been recently, um in the King's Agitated Head pub yeah in ADHDville at the back table.
Speaker: yes where where Paul and I sup on ah on a drink and yes ah and kick back, shoot the wind. Yes. Shoot the cud.
Speaker: Yeah. um So I am. So we've got i we also have a mini pub quiz at the end.
Speaker: We do. stick around for that and see if Paul can humiliate me I think I might this week. think I think that that's that's the aim of the game is is the humiliation of the other person, I think. Yes, exactly. Yeah. So we can feel. Right.
Speaker: Yeah. It's like one of us gets to feel, you know, um what's the word? Smug. Smug. That's the word. Yeah. Yeah. um Okay. Okay.
Speaker: So, you know, we will spend an entire episode um building each other up and sympathizing. And then right the end in the pub quiz, we'll just give them like an uppercut. each other down.
Speaker: Yeah. Yes. kick In a true British way. Right. Exactly. In very British way. It's like put each other down, you know. I was trying to explain this to an Italian this week about it.
Speaker: and the way the British are with these kind of things, you know. was trying to explain it, you know, in putting each other down. Sometimes from an outsider's point of view, if you're not British, it can seem like really severe, you know, a bit strong.
Speaker: But there's ah it's an element of intimacy in it, you know, and it's a very male bonding thing to do, you know. it's like It's like there's an in intimacy in putting each other down.
Speaker: you know because we're not capable of being more authentic about it you know in our intimacy. Yeah. I mean, it's almost like the C word.
Speaker: If you get called the C word from someone you know as a Brit, it's almost in term of indeterminate. Yeah, it is. It's almost like saying, that I love you. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Because we're quite incapable. Me especially, I'm terrible at complimenting people. ah Really bad. if It makes me feel quite uncomfortable.
Speaker: Right. I have to remember to say something like, oh, yeah, they did a good job. And even if I think it, it's like, no, you have to say it out loud.
Speaker: Like, it doesn't count if you just think they they did a good job. You have to kind of like say it. Yeah, yeah. I know.
Speaker: All right. Well, let's jump. And even the way you say it, the way it's the way i've I sound kind of like in or like insincere, and it just comes it sounds really crap.
Speaker: Anyway. Right. I think we're we're going to exit the pub, jump in the yes something in our trusty tractor. And where are we heading, Paul? Where should we go?
Speaker: The coffee place, Martin, it says here in the script. you know You're inspired. Right. I know. I was feeling particularly absorbed in my imagination.
Speaker: Nice. um On the back of the tractor this week, have have been doing, I did lend it out to a local farmer. um and there is And there is a huge kind of like, yeah, the plough is kind of, it's a big one.
Speaker: It's like the width of the road. So rather than just just just one furrow, it's going to basically just rip up the entire road. yeah Carnage. Yeah, as we go. okay All right.
Speaker: Okay. Okay. of of the little road that's left. are
Speaker: Can I get you a drink, Paul? Yes, considering it's it's here in Italy, it's quarter past eight in the evening. I'm going to have a caffè carito. It's a coffee corrected.
Speaker: Corrected with alcohol? Corrected. That's the literal literal translation. Corrected with alcohol. Usually they correct it with grappa. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not great. yeah That stuff is is is only to be used for hand-to-hand combat. Yeah, yeah. Well, here in the morning, it's a tradition of builders in the morning. have ah They have a coffee and i have a little bit of grappa in it and ah of the morning.
Speaker: The builder's coffee. That is harsh. All right. So good. What you have here, Martin? I will have i will have um a matcha with lavender and honey.
Speaker: I think I had that last time. Sophisticated. Sophisticated, Martin. I'm fucking sophisticated, me. Martin's Sophisticated West.
Speaker: That's what we call you. Yep. um Okay, let's go. So, yeah, let's. Good, bad and the ugly ugly. So let's start with the good. Yes. o The good. Yes. Well, um the yeah you go first, mate. You go first.
Speaker: What have you got for good? It's been like, it's been a real mixed bag of ADHD-ness lately. in my, um, so the good is nothing has gone seriously wrong.
Speaker: Great. Good start. Yay. yeahy I have managed to, um, do things like, um, cause every, every spring it involves you having to like jump on stuff. So you've got to, suddenly you've got to start cutting the grass.
Speaker: Suddenly you've got to start planting things. um So I've been outside and I've planted loads of tomatoes and radishes and... Lovely. And beans. Oh, I love a radish.
Speaker: I love a radish. ah thought of you, Paul. I thought of you. I pulled up the most perfect but radish ever. It was like the size of a golf ball. It was perfect. it was like, that's a great radish.
Speaker: Last week, I did a radish salad. was radish, walnuts, pear, um um salad leaves, gorgonzola,
Speaker: ah Cucumber and tomato. That sounds like a good... That sounds like a salad I would make in the autumn. but That's a very... aha That's like a good autumn salad.
Speaker: Yeah, i love you know I love a good salad. See, as good as the ah as Italian cuisine is, you know, they have a certain reputation...
Speaker: They're not, it the salad is not really a thing at all in Italy. You get the Caesar salad, if you're lucky, and that's it. And so they're not really into it. I think i ah um'm um i take particular pleasure in the dark arts of ah of a well-thought-out salad for flavors and crunchiness and textures and stuff like that.
Speaker: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Okay. yes So, okay. so that's So you've got radishes. You've got so stuff's happening in your garden. Outside.
Speaker: Outside. Stuff is going on. so kind of So I've kind of got my ass together enough to kind of keep on top of it. i i've I've even got corn growing. um I'm growing corn.
Speaker: Wow. I've built another three... boxes of vegetables so for vegetable grain vegetables so i've got now got four but i've got i've now got seven just just showing off my math skills there by adding four and three impressive i know right impressive thank you like you thank you um so talk ah talk us talk us talk us talk us talk us through martin west when you're kind of like on your hands and your knees martin amongst your veg and your and your you know that kind of stuff yeah what's what's going on are you talking to them no i'm talking okay to myself it's like the the the nice thing is is that or the or the interesting thing that i find if i had one plant and i'd be
Speaker: like a house plant, you know, I have a couple of those, right, say, and I have to water them and keep them alive, I will fail.
Speaker: ah But because I've got, like, I've got about 45 tomato plants out there, I've got, like, I've got a load of corn, I've got a load of squash, I've got a load of garlic, um've mean like, there's plants out there.
Speaker: the it's kind of like the stakes are higher. So I have to take care of them because there's just a lot of them rather than just one plant.
Speaker: So to what, but what are the stakes? Well, I mean, I've gone into, ah put a lot of effort into, into building these vegetable boxes, right. build them out and put all the compost and the,
Speaker: stuff in them so i've spent a lot of money and time on it so i feel like i feel emotionally in invested in the success okay whereas if you've got like a single plant standing on i'll just like oh it can die and it will die okay so i thought i used to think i'm not good with plants because i'd look at the evidence of all the the occasional dead house plant that i would kill but actually it was just i i need quantity ah need a lot of them so that i can go away yeah i'll i'll make sure that they're okay because um i don't want to be the one that kills like
Speaker: all my vegetables that would just be okay heartbreaking wait is there a spiritual part of it it's like you know they've they've recent research they found that trees talk to each other you know um and trees have you know it's like yeah There is because you end up looking outside and being what's the weather doing? How hot is it? Is it raining? Is it not raining?
Speaker: um So you kind of more in touch with like what's going on outside. Plus, you if you know um one of the things about adhd is you have time but blindness and you tend to live in the kind of now almost but but you it forces you to think in seasons so you kind of look at the calendar go okay right where are we now we're in mid may so therefore um know plants have to be in they'll be in roughly around here and then have to look down the line and go right
Speaker: I'm going to, all those, those, are those those are radishes. They grow really quickly and you have to kind of keep sowing the seeds for the next batch.
Speaker: Yeah. So you kind of, yeah so you're thinking ahead and think, right, okay, I've i' got to get some seeds for that for in about week's time. I'm going to put that in. So it's it's nice to kind of put your fingers in the soil and feel the, the seasons and time passing.
Speaker: Yeah. And also as ah the smells. Last week we had a podcast about on the theme of smell. yeah You know, smell of um of basics, you know, smell of the earth. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: You know. Yeah. And the smell of tomato plants. Oh, yeah, yeah, They have a very distinctive smell. Yeah, yeah. Nice.
Speaker: The smell of the birds as they Twitter. And fly. Yeah. i mean, it's all, like, we're part of ah of a natural ecosystem, right?
Speaker: We we all are part of it. we so We feel like we're not. We're more and more detached, but we're not, actually. You know? Yeah. So, okay, cool. Yes.
Speaker: Okay. That's my good. I'm going to stop there. What about, what about, what about you? My good, it's actually connected to the the bad and the ugly. um I'm, I'm coming to the end of my teaching contract. And now and so there's like a lot happening at at school at the moment, but my good in that process,
Speaker: on that theme is, um, um, being in amongst, uh, uh, the teenagers, um you know, so I teach, they go from 14 to 19 year olds.
Speaker: And them a real challenge to my RSD, rejection sensitive if said sense rejections for sensitive dysphoria, right? Yeah. Because, like, God, the ups and the downs. Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, my God. And you could go from joy one second to, like, total crash the next, you know, as you go from one class to another or you're dealing with one teenager from another.
Speaker: But there's a lot of them, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, uh, but the, in this, in this context, the good part of it, it it is a, when it's good, it's so, it's total joy.
Speaker: ah really, really love it. And, uh, it feels, it feels really nice because we, we kind of tend to be a bit judgmental about the youth, you know, but actually, you know, they're,
Speaker: there A lot of the times I find the the students way more ah emotionally mature and um um relatable than ah than the teachers, the adults, way more, you know. um So, yeah, that's my good. And it is it is a constant source of joy, actually. But sometimes it's a real challenge to my RSD a lot.
Speaker: Right. Yeah. I see. Yeah. um yes All right. So two do you have the cowbell that we use to trans transition?
Speaker: Oh, blimey, I've failed again, haven't I? Oh, no. See, um any other listener to this show knows that in the inbe between the good and the bad the ugly, Paul rings a little bell to mark the transition.
Speaker: And now he's searching his apartment also because he can't find his little bell. He's lost his little bell. fine oh here it is it was destroying phone Oh, hang on.
Speaker: I hear sounds like he knows where it is. There it is. There we go.
Speaker: We're back. back. Ah, see, that's what it's all about. Preparation. That's the key to the success of this pod.
Speaker: Yes. um So you're ah let's move on to bad then, Martin. What's your bad? ah Bad.
Speaker: the bad of the oh The bad of this this week was ah I, in ADHD terms, is I have this client, right,
Speaker: um and I was doing some campaign work for them, and then the client brought in someone else but who who I'd worked with previously, um and they brought that person in.
Speaker: And she's a copywriter and she's a good copywriter, right? right Mm-hmm. so she was like um so So she was like, yeah, okay, me and this.
Speaker: It isn't just me now. It's me and the copywriter who I don't have a great relationship with, really. I mean, someone could be good at their job, but they might not be compatible. Yeah.
Speaker: Right. I mean, I suspect anyone who works in the creative field is going to be on the spectrum or neurodiodivergent in some way because they almost all are. um But that doesn't necessarily mean that we get on. No, totally.
Speaker: touch Just because you're
Speaker: just because you're on the spectrum doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to vibe with you. Yeah. so ah So, and I didn't like...
Speaker: I was having a bit of an ego issue because it was like, I'd done a lot of work on this and then she came in and she was like changing things.
Speaker: And I was, and then so it bit of a battle and then, um, but I mean, uh, what was coming out of that battle between her and me was, was still was, was, was better work.
Speaker: Okay. um So it it was still her input made things better than if it was just my input. But my brain was having a real hard time working on on the campaign anymore.
Speaker: It just really struggled. Okay, yeah, yeah. Even I was going, no, she's good. this This work is good. She's improving it.
Speaker: um Yeah. But my brain was like, just had a strop and just, and through all of the toys, out yeah of the pram, out of the cot. and um And, yeah, so that was so I ended up just just not doing any work on that campaign for about four days easily, week, a week. ah we I just went, i come i can't.
Speaker: And woke up every day going, no, I'm going to just open the files up. I'm going to work on this campaign. It's going to be good. And my brain was like, no, fuck off. Don't want to know.
Speaker: Yeah. And i I totally get what you say. I don't know if if it's the same thing, but often with me, um and but those that don't know, Martin and I work in the same in and same but you um business arena, you know, marketing, advertising, et cetera.
Speaker: And um ah yeah, I when I go through my work, I have to like walk it through in my mind to the minutest detail in my mind.
Speaker: And therefore, I know it intimately. And if someone gets involved someone else gets involved in that, i i i I lose a bit of that intimacy and I struggle with it.
Speaker: I struggle to own it as much as I would. so and Essentially, I'm a bit of a control freak as ah as a designer. Right. You know, um especially if you'm especially if I'm presenting it to a client, if the ultimate goal is that I will present the creative to a client. Oh, right, yeah. Whether internally or externally, I need to know it like within a, within ah you know, and inch of its life, that project. And if there's someone else, I struggle to get into their minds and therefore...
Speaker: it compromises the how I present it if that makes sense so that's just me though I think it's because it's like you know I think of it as you know for other people if you were doing a drawing at home right and you were like doing drawing stuff you're like yeah I'm really enjoying working on some creative project right and then with the aim that you're going to kind of show it to a bunch of people.
Speaker: You know, you say, know, you're going to kind of put it, put it in a show. it's going to go on the wall and you want to be able to stand by that piece of work and go, yep, that's my work.
Speaker: I own it 100%. like it's it It's as good as I could make that thing. but yeah But then someone comes along while you're doing your work and starts drawing in some other parts on your on young painting, right? They're kind of, oh, yeah.
Speaker: let me just do the sun over here. And you're going, what the hell? This is my draw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah and And there's this kind of like um um conflict because, you know, because because you're giving birth, your you ah your your ah you are creating something. And then the thought of putting you your work up and standing there and people looking at it and and you going,
Speaker: Yeah, well, you know, this part was good, but the guy who did the sun, that's just awful. and ni Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that is our our job. When you work in the creative industry, that is your day in and day out.
Speaker: You'll be working on something and there's someone else is in there and they're putting their stuff in and you're...
Speaker: it's it's It's tough. Yeah. Yeah, is it is tough. I've, you know, as you and you you were saying, you know, that in this case, she was, she is good at her job.
Speaker: I've also had to like collaborate with people that weren't particularly good at their job um and get involved with aspects of the work that they shouldn't do. And that would drive me crazy. And sometimes I was really like, yeah,
Speaker: ah too honest about it, like quite some would say aggressive. Like someone said, oh, i I don't think that should be green. I i think it should be blue And then that's the end of their conversation.
Speaker: And if that's it, if that's all but they've got, I've been known to to say, look, if it's just your personal taste, I'm sorry, but that's not good enough for me.
Speaker: If you've got a reason, you've got an input because you think it's going to be better and you think you have an insight, and you think the client's going to like it more, then fine, but I'm not interested. I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in your personal feelings about or a color or a position or something or something superficial.
Speaker: That's my job, you know? And, you know, my honesty has got me into a lot of trouble in the past. I had the same conversation yesterday. So I've,
Speaker: It's a fairly decently sized big brand and I'm redoing their logo, but it's more of a tidying up job rather than a new logo. It's kind of taking the existing identity and just making a cleaner, little bit more modern version of it.
Speaker: And I've been brought in on this project. Now guy the guy, the creative director who works for this particular like company, um
Speaker: my input me i was forced on him he was like told oh there's this guy right he's coming in yeah from the outside in in that and he is going to be redesigning our logo and this guy has been trying to redesign their logo for years right for years he's kind of put forward suggestions and ideas and and then i come along and i read is design it and then I send it to him um and but the client has has already said yeah no this is it and this is the logo we're we're going to go with that and right so it's been approved from HiApp and then I send it to the this creative director that he wants a meeting and then I'm sitting in that meeting yesterday and he is pulling apart
Speaker: He wants to pull that that yeah logo apart and go, why why why is it like this? Why is it like that? Yeah, yeah. And I can understand rather than just kind of going, okay, well, this is it. I'll just use this and just move on.
Speaker: and And I really felt for him because I was like, mate, I know how you feel.
Speaker: I know how you feel because it's happened to me. ah It does feel personal at that point, doesn't it? Yeah. i got I got pulled into a project two years ago. um It was a job for the European Union and it was ah ah a campaign because the, union the ah kind of long story short, the European Union had done a lot of expensive research and they found that most research that's done and most work that's done in ah environmental studies is very male based and i what they they were promoting a more female approach or a more balanced approach to environmental studies. Okay.
Speaker: And so I did i ah did some ah proposals, creative proposals and this guy, clearly I'd been brought in and and he was the creative head of the project, creative director.
Speaker: And he'd been pulled in without him approving it. And he just like slated everything that I did. oof But worst the worst part was that he clearly completely misunderstood and wasn't sensitive to what the actual campaign was about at all.
Speaker: And it was God, it was it was really hard work. And actually the client or his colleague in Rome, um who was actually leading the project, she called me and apologized for his behavior. he was It was terrible.
Speaker: It was really bad. But it was like three weeks of just swimming in treacle. Oh, boy. Yeah, that was hard. Anyhow. Bad. Bad. Over to you.
Speaker: Well, bad, Martin. Quite often we don't have an ugly. We just have bad. This week i'm I'm going to skip the bad and go directly to ugly, ge Martin. Look at that.
Speaker: Right. Hang on to your hats. All right. Hang on to your hats, right? um and End of school year meetings with oh teachers.
Speaker: Jesus. Right. Yeah. um Brace yourselves. Assessing and grading as a group in a room with all the other teachers. Okay.
Speaker: Year by year. Okay. and this is about the third or fourth school that I've done it in. And every time, because I'm a newbie, you know, I've only been teaching for year and a half, you know, I'm like sensitive, sensitive to like, you know, putting my nose in something and, you know, right.
Speaker: I'm creating waves. Okay. But this time I decided now I'm going to say something. And i i I stopped the conversation. They were assessing students, yeah i and but in particularly the poorly performing ones.
Speaker: yeah And I said, um i just want to say, you know, I've taught now in four different schools. Wow. I've taught, I've been working with, you know, towards a thousand students and I don't know what the position of this school is, but I've not heard one school talk about ADHD or it is autism.
Speaker: oh Not one. Yeah.
Speaker: Yes. Yes. And I really glad that I did it. I was really glad that I did it. And the reaction was not good. oh It was like tumbleweed.
Speaker: It's like, whoa, what is this ADHD he speaks of? like, oh, what's this? What's he talking about? You know, what to don about they just wanted to moan about this kid, you know, and, you know, go through the usual conversations that they've had for years about underperforming kids.
Speaker: No one actually say, oh, maybe there's a different approach to it. You know, this is 2025 and twenty five and um maybe some other things that we haven't taken into consideration.
Speaker: Nothing. Absolutely nothing. A teacher turned around to me and said, absolutely true. this He said, well, this is the language school. We don't have those kinds of students at this school.
Speaker: o His assumption was that, well, no, it's not quite. He said this um this is a language school and it's known as being quite um um a difficult um type of high school to do.
Speaker: So we generally don't attract those kinds of students. Look at that. i like What? And I said, well, in theory, it's going to be between 8% and 10% of your student population.
Speaker: you know, and I said, I've i've heard you talking about this student and that student. And to me, they clearly need special attention, you know, well, not even special attention, attention, you know, consideration, you know, nuanced thinking, um you know, different thinking, you know, what if kind of, you know, any conversation real starts with what if,
Speaker: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. and Wow. For some reason, you go Spotify just kicked in for no reason. And now you're... Why do you do that? you're grooving. Okay.
Speaker: So, yeah, and um and that that was it. You know, it didn't go anywhere. I suspected it wouldn't, but I was seething, seething, seething Right.
Speaker: Yeah. Seething. Well, good job for it. Yeah. I'm glad I did say it. You know, it was like putting my head well and truly above the parapet, you know. Right.
Speaker: well It might. Yeah. It might just kind of like just plant a seed that you might not see grow today, but maybe if it has to be me the first to actually mention it. So be it.
Speaker: You know, the you know, the risk that comes with that, you know, the, you know, odd looks, you know. Right. so But yeah, it was it was bad. And they just generally, I didn't like the way they were behaving towards the students.
Speaker: Wow. Yeah, yeah. It was not and not pretty. No, it doesn't sound it. ah On my side, ah so like i i don't I'm struggling to think of a particularly ugly work or a pretty ugly thing, even even not ADHD related.
Speaker: um it's ah it's It's actually been fairly fairly good. That's good. Okay, well, the ugliest thing that I can come up with is um I was dragging my feet on this campaign, right?
Speaker: And rather than me go, okay, guys, everyone, I seem to be having an issue here. um i just... my brain wouldn't even do that either. it yeah It wouldn't even go, oh perhaps I should just get people around a table.
Speaker: And the the interesting thing for me was when I work in an office, I would do that. but that whole thing, that whole scene of someone coming in and being on the job and then I just drag my heels for a week would never happen because in and okay in an office environment, I go, okay, right, well, let's get you and me and someone else and we'll just sit down and we'll just hash out what we're going to do And there would be a feeling of collaboration and common goal
Speaker: would come out of it usually, even if I don't particularly get on with a person, but but I'd feel like we're on the same page and, okay, we have a vision and we're going to go for that. But because we work remotely, i don't have that connection.
Speaker: I don't have... Totally. I don't have... Yeah. I don't have that work mechanism like I used to. I mean, sure, I could...
Speaker: reach out and get them on a Zoom call and we could maybe do it that way. But that's not a... That particular... That particular thing, i haven i i don't normally do, so i was struggling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I totally get you.
Speaker: And then the ugly part was was was they went, was they stepped in, which is what an account manager should be doing anyway. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Should have had daily check-ins anyway so i think they were dragging their feet as well but anyway so it all compounded and and in the end i i um they set up a meeting and they were like right let's take this particular job off of you i mean i thank god for that i don't want this job i don't i don't want that project i don't want that campaign i'd i'd already done the interesting part if you like. yeah yeah yeah I'd done all the fun stuff and it was just the kind of back end crappy execution nuts and bolts that I was dragging my feet on. So I was like, no, I'm fine.
Speaker: I've already made my mark on that campaign. And now I'm kind of back. But yeah, i I should have handled that better.
Speaker: professionally um rather than... Yeah. There's a lot to be said, you know, for, you know, the, you know, the, how it used to be, you know, you know, you like ah direct relationships, you know, physical relationships, you know, you have in ah and an agency, you know, they say nine tenths of communication is nonverbal, you know, and there is a kind of a dance, you know, that you do, you know, with colleagues.
Speaker: Do you know what mean? dance. You can understand a hell of a lot about each other and understand things better, you know, without having to like spell it out as you might, you know, with, the you know, remote working, you know. Yeah. or Or with a shitty email or something.
Speaker: Shitty email. All right. Cool. I'm just clock watching. So I think we should jump back in. Now would be good time to jump back in the track to get back to the pub and then we have like a mini pub quiz.
Speaker: Yes, we do. Yes. We'll see who can humiliate whom. Yes. Well, there's bit of hum humiliation on my part as well, but I'll go into that. All right. Okay.
Speaker: Let's just back in and we'll get to the pub. a
Speaker: are Ploughing up the road. Causing carnage. Carnage. Okay.
Speaker: So I've got a quiz. And it's actually, it's partly based. I had this quiz in mind. because it's a subject that I really like. But in doing the the quiz, in doing the research for the quiz, I discovered something.
Speaker: um um i discovered something. Okay. I discovered that my outro where I say, I beseech you, fellow ADHDers, know thyself, sons of the hells, come hither and get the flesh, is absolute poppycock.
Speaker: It absolutely is. There's no one ever said that stuff. No one ever said it. And it's complete nonsense. And I hold my hand up and I think it was just me doing lazy, some lazy, um lazy um research on it, on, on the interweb.
Speaker: Okay. And not actually looking for making sure that it was authenticated. So it's complete nonsense. since I apologize to all our Scottish ah viewers, listeners, patrons.
Speaker: yeah And as so as ah as a kind of um um a form of, um how can I say, of apology, yeah I've created a quiz.
Speaker: Oh, right. About authentic Scottish battle cries, Martin. Wow. I love this. So does that mean that you have a different outro at the end? I do. do.
Speaker: We'll have to wait and see. you see i had I actually follow through, Martin. Yes, I was hoping that you would. I'm going to follow through. Okay.
Speaker: Okay. So here it is, Martin. The quiz. yeah Okay. god Right. Yes. um So those that don't know it, um ah the Scots...
Speaker: had a sudden battle cries that were linked to their clan. Okay. They were like, right. They were like, they were cries of war as slogans.
Speaker: Each traditionally linked to their particular clan. Okay. Often used on a battlefield to rally their warriors, intimidate their foes and assert their clan identity. Yeah.
Speaker: Right. Okay. And so I've got three. Okay. Not four, not five, not 73, three. three And you've got to out of the four in each category, you've got to pick up, pick out the one that I've made up. Okay.
Speaker: Okay. So apologies for the pronunciation because it's actually in, you know, like a Scots um um um dialect. Okay.
Speaker: Right. So number one. Okay. This is from the McKenzie clan. Okay. Okay. Talak Ard. which translate roughly to high hill.
Speaker: Okay. Because all of these particular four, these first four, they it wasn't like a threat or anything like that. They would actually say, we want to fight you and we're going to tell you where we are going to fight.
Speaker: So the McKenzies, always did the fighting on the high hill or the Talakad, they shout. Number two. ah Hang on. Hang The McLarens. Yeah. Hang on a second. So that that one sounds a Klingon. I'm just saying.
Speaker: Okay. Controversial. But yeah also, um ah yeah, fighting on on high ground makes total sense. So like a battle cry of like high hill is he's almost like...
Speaker: Right. Take that hill. Get up that hill. but Yes. That's what we want. yeah All right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yep. It's a bit like, you know, at school. It's bit like a school. Say, you know, ah let's let's fight outside the school gates tonight.
Speaker: see Okay. To the gates. He knew whether where to, um you know, congregate. Yeah. Okay. Number two is this is McLaren clad. Okay. Yeah. McLaren clan. Yeah.
Speaker: Kreg and Turik, which is ah the Boar's Rock. Okay, another location. All right. Okay.
Speaker: Number three, the McFallon clan. Falanduk Kranach. That's it, get into it. crack The crack in the ridge is the rough translation of that one, Martin.
Speaker: Number four, okay, the McFallon clan. Lok refers to literally the Lok called Sloy.
Speaker: We're going to meet you if you have the want, if you still got the energy and the will um and the motivation. We'll meet you at Lok Sloy, okay? Okay.
Speaker: All right. So number one, High Hill. Number two, The Boar's Rock. Number three, Cracking the Ridge. Number four, Locksloy.
Speaker: It's like, it's such a crapshoot. It really is. It's such a crapshoot. So, okay, i'm I'm going to guess that it's... Just purely out of whatever. that It's not the first or the last, and it's probably one of the two in the middle.
Speaker: And if i was going to do one two in the middle, I'd say the third one. ah The crack in the ridge. Maybe it's because I pronounced it. I didn't pronounce that one particularly bit well. If you want, I can re-pronounce it.
Speaker: Yes, yes.
Speaker: See, sounds a little bit more authentic, doesn't it, Martin? Oh, yeah, it does. I can i can feel the wind in my kilt as as you were saying it.
Speaker: Yes. um yeah no um So you're sticking with three. I'm going to stick with three because literally it's your for no reason. You're annoyingly right right, Martin. Correct.
Speaker: Philando Cranaca, completely made up. Oh, I love that. Okay. So next category. This category, ah because they had different types of, um, the, of, of battle cries.
Speaker: This one is, these are morally more based on how they might propose to fight. Okay. So number one, ah,
Speaker: Chul. I'll Chul is the Cameron clan. Right. Thunder and lightning outside. The Cameron clan literally translates as the retreat.
Speaker: Kind of odd, isn't Retreat! Controversial. Retreat! Run away! Run away! Run away! That's the Cameron clan. Nice. Controversial.
Speaker: Yeah. Next. Oh, I failed to cut and paste here. Okay. Next one is druid...
Speaker: Oh, this is difficult. Druidkiniknangadil. Nice. Which is the magic of the gales.
Speaker: of the gales interesting right i think what they were trying like they were trying intimidate and said that oh they have some kind of magical powers that the other clans didn't have don't have okay is it like really bad farts is that or it could be is that what they mean yeah if you want me to re-pronounce that i can throughid through
Speaker: Okay. okay Number three. Yeah. This is from the mcclarre McLean clan. clan McLean. Right. Okay. right fear re erson acu now Okay.
Speaker: yeah Literally translate this. i love this one. Another for Hector exclamation mark. Because apparently he was a particularly revered chief that they should be particularly um um reticent to do battle with.
Speaker: Another for Hector. Okay. Right.
Speaker: okay right Last but not least. It's weird how the word Hector doesn't appear to appear in that sentence. Odd, isn't it?
Speaker: know. It is odd. ah Where is the word Hector? And therefore kind of cunningly confusing you, Martin. Right. Yeah. Who would have thought it? Who would have thought it would be that kind of, you know. Right.
Speaker: I can imagine. e ah hector Yeah, exactly. Last but not of this one. yeah Last one. The fourth one. The McNeil clan. Yeah. Badak non gadal.
Speaker: Dothraki. Roughly translate. Roughly, Martin. don't you know Don't get too hung up on the translation. Roughly translate, says, fear my stare. Oh, yes.
Speaker: The stare of death. Right. So it's one, the treat. Two, the magic of the guilds. Three, another for Hector.
Speaker: Four, fear my stare.
Speaker: I wouldn't normally go with three again because oh although the fact that the word Hector doesn't appear in that sentence does does point an arrow to that I should, that that's the best clue I have.
Speaker: Or a sword or a dagger. Or a haggis. Or a haggis, yeah, or a spodden. So I'm going number thumb number three. Nope. I made up ah Fear My Stare. the but i It was completely made up. ah Badag non-gadal.
Speaker: Nope. That's actually Turkish for eat my croissant. Oh. No. It's also a fantastic battle cry. It's eat my croissant. I made that one as well. Okay.
Speaker: Last one. Okay. Last one. Okay. Here we go. There's some difficult ones here to pronounce. Blimey. I guess it's Gaelic, isn't it? Or is it Scots? Is Gaelic and Scots the same thing? I don't know.
Speaker: um mc McDonald clan, okay? McDonald clan. um Big three fries. Three last fries and a big shake. Yes. Yes. He knew it was coming.
Speaker: Yeah. No, it's a different McDonald's, Martin. Right. Did he have a farm? a Well, maybe. Is it E.I.
Speaker: Is that the... No, it's... ah nine doing calling yeah air Right. ah arttinine i am doing it again.
Speaker: Does that help? No, I know. Me neither, and I've got the answers. um um Roughly translates to hell with anyone who says otherwise.
Speaker: hundred To hell with anyone who says otherwise. That sounds very English.
Speaker: The McLoone clan. um Okay. Number two. McLoone.
Speaker: Eat your words. That is the most Scottish one I've heard so, so far.
Speaker: Yeah. Eat my, eat my shorts. Was that? Eat my words. Oh, okay. Okay. ah The Grant Clan. It's not a mook anything. It's a Grant Clan. Okay. ah ga nuin took his gear
Speaker: Fear when roused. What? ah Fear when roused. Imagine it, Martin. You're at the top of a Scottish mountain in your Celt, shouting down at your foes, and you're shouting, Fear when roused.
Speaker: Yeah. ah so somehow All beneath you are quaking in their little kilts. Okay. Last but not least, the fourth, Mackintosh clan.
Speaker: Right. it's A bit longer, this one. You ready? Yes. cha in yeah gabnaka aak dion Roughly translate as, somewhat controversially, not an aggressor, but a defender.
Speaker: Oh, right. Okay. So one, to hell with anyone who says otherwise. Two, eat your words. Three, fierce when roused.
Speaker: Roused, not aroused. Not an aggressor. Four, not an aggressor, but a defender from the our friends, the McIntoshes. I think I'm going to have to literally go on.
Speaker: the translation. So um fierce when roused makes sense. It's kind of like saying if we're roused, then and if you um if you rouse us, you should fear us.
Speaker: that makes sense. Not an aggressive, but a defender also makes complete sense because... if if Defenders fight harder than aggressors. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker: It's like saying we will fight harder because we are did we have to defend. Yeah. and To hell. To hell. That just sounds so English.
Speaker: To hell with any other. Was it? and To hell with anyone who says otherwise Right. that's That just sounds like... It's bizarre, isn't it British. It's a bit vague. All right.
Speaker: Eat my words sounds like eat my shorts. ah You know what? going to go with number two. Come on, number two. Eat my words. your words? Yes. Well, you will not be eating your words because you're right, Sparty. Two out of three.
Speaker: Well done. I'm going to be the victor. oh Wow. Those are tricky pronunciations. My goodness. You did well there, Paul. I have to hand it to you. Thank you, Martin.
Speaker: That's because I've got a bit of Scottish blood in me. Right. You should give it back. Thompson, did you know Burberry, the burberary famous Burberry pattern, that is actually the Thompson-Tartan clan? Wow.
Speaker: Wow. Yeah. Wow. I could wear Burberry kilt and be authentic and look like a complete arsehole at the same time. Yeah. Result.
Speaker: Yeah. Look at that idiot over there wearing a Burberry kilt. you go No. It's because I'm a Thompson. No. You're a nutter. I'm a Thompson. Yeah.
Speaker: That's funny. All right. um and So, yes, that was my little way of apologizing. And for my for my my my superficiality.
Speaker: All right. ah Well, let's just go over to the post bag quickly. um So Alexandra, the ah the the official ADHD town crier.
Speaker: Yes. left ah Left one of her customary and but appreciated comments on the YouTubes. So she was saying that, yes, she said one, but so that was the episode last week about ADHD and smell.
Speaker: She said, wonderful episode, missed your face that because I was blurred out on the on the YouTube video. um But rather interestingly, what? Yes, yes.
Speaker: Do tell us what it is. Rather interesting interestingly with her, she has very, she has a very sensitive sense of smell okay it is ridiculously good wow so um and and she she went to chef school Okay.
Speaker: So, and I, you know, in my head, it kind like, well, that makes complete sense. Like the smell and taste. It kind like feels like if you're really sensitive to it, you can really harness that.
Speaker: Yes. ah Yeah. So, um and ah so what did she say? What did Alexandra say? um Well, one interesting thing that she said was, ah ah know this is okay. So yeah, loud things is already here is that, um She had an ex-partner who got leukemia and um and she could smell that he smelt different.
Speaker: that hemelt he smelled different Okay. like how you hear stories that that that dogs can tell whether you've got cancer or not because they've got very good sense of smell?
Speaker: five They say find five times um stronger than our sense of smell in dogs have. Right. yeah um So um it it turns out that that some humans can also not necessarily smell directly the cancer, but almost the...
Speaker: the changes that it makes in your, but in your, popup in your body. And then you can smell that. So it, it comes out like a sort of a different, more like a sour, um you know, so you you actually smell different and she could, and she could smell that. Yeah. yeah That is interesting.
Speaker: By the way, Alexandra, ah the invite's still open for to for you to become a ah guest on a future podcast. Yeah, yeah. Be more than welcome.
Speaker: Obviously, obviously. But yeah, all right. So um next week, just so you know, heads up, next week, um everyone, next week we're going to do an episode on h d h t h d no ADHD and conflict.
Speaker: ADHD and conflict and how we deal deal with it in a beautiful, unique way. Yeah, yeah. So there'll be some yeah lots lots but lots of stories and yes maybe some and maybe we'll learn something along the way.
Speaker: Yes. If anyone's got any contributions to it, you know, how you deal with conflict or don't. um Yeah, or if you have any questions, listener questions. Or suggestions.
Speaker: Get in the comments, people. Get the comments. in the comments, please. Okay. Just leaves the outro, I think, doesn't it, Martin? Yeah, that just leaves me to say that ADHDville is delivered fresh every Tuesday to all bevayers of fine podcasts. Please subscribe and rate us most awesome.
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Speaker: But in the meantime... in the meantime. and And I'm very excited to hear Paul's new outro. and but in the but But in the meantime, be fucking kind to yourself.
Speaker: And I beseech you, fellow ADHDers, fare thee well with gladness of heart.
Speaker: Oh, I like that. Fare thee well with gladness of heart. it it if it It has heart. It feels warm and cuddly.
Speaker: It feels like I've been hugged. Yeah, it's got something, hasn't it? it's got a ring about it. It does. And it's taken us right out past the ah the hour the music.
Speaker: There, that one says the mayor. That's that. Yes.
