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21: Disclosure Team #70, Anomalous Podcast Members
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All members of the Anomalous Podcast Network come together for a discussion on UFOs.
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Transcript
Introduction and Welcome Back
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You're listening to the Anomalous Podcast Network. Multiple voices, one phenomenon.
00:00:39
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Hey guys, how's it going, and welcome back to the channel. I've not got my green screen set up or anything so excuse the mess behind me but this is going to be an awesome show.
Reunion of Anomalous Podcast Network
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It's all the family from the anomalous podcast network so let's bring them in. First of all, let's try and bring it down.
Documentary Plans on Aleister Crowley
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Hello, I'm actually at Vinnie's today. I drove up today, where this weekend, going up to Balaskan House, just near Loch Ness, to make a documentary about Alice the Crowley, or Crowley, depending on which side of the picture you're on. Yeah, so, yeah, something a little bit different, guys. Just something fun, you know? And this conversation is gonna be fun. Let's bring in our next guest, Priscilla. How you doing, Priscilla? Hello, how is everyone?
00:01:27
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good yeah good thank you sorry i'm looking at everyone's freaking out yeah no it's just the we didn't make this we're in the same room i could have sat up there and you guys would have told me in the back and be like oh my god they're in the same room people would have been so mad though that you didn't tell them they'd be like uh we saw dan back there
00:01:50
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Let's not leave him waiting any longer. Please welcome Mr Graham Rendell. Graham, how are you man? Hi guys, good to see you both there having fun, sharing a bottle of wine. I think you're on the train tomorrow at Inverness, is that right? Yeah, we've got like an eight hour train journey. I'll probably, I know which train it'll be, and I'll probably stay out at standard Aclinton station, which is about two miles west of me, and I can wave to you when you advance. Oh, that would be amazing. That would be great. Yeah, I love that.
00:02:16
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So that would be so good. So we're actually waiting on Dave Partridge. He's in makeup, apparently. He's still getting ready. He can't get the flicks going. It's all good. So let's just kick start this conversation.
Purpose of the Podcast
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Actually, I'm just going to preface everything by saying
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This is a podcast and I am talking to other podcasters, but I'm also talking to researchers. We're all a family and this conversation might not be for everyone. This isn't somewhere tonight where we're going to get new information about UFOs or anything, but it is a conversation that I think is valuable because
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We all do podcasts. We all speak to different people. And I think it's important that we then like converse between ourselves and you never know what conversations come from those those kind of chats. So, you know, it's it's just something a little bit different and a bit of fun as well, you know. So, yeah, before everyone goes mad in the comments. Can we just give Sean Rash a shout out? He said, what a good looking group. And, you know, I think he's talking about you guys, but Sean, I see you.
00:03:18
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Good to see everyone here. So listen, what I'm going to start off talking about is podcasts. And what made you start? So Priscilla, I'm going to start with you if that's okay.
Priscilla's Podcasting Journey
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Absolutely. So I just started because I found you guys. And I didn't have anybody to talk to in everyday life. You know, I didn't finish school. So I'm not working. I'm not like a scientist, like I was supposed to be. I ended up staying home with my kids.
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And it's not really like kid talk all the time to talk about this sort of stuff. And it's definitely not army wife talk most of the time. So I just wanted to talk to people. And what really fascinated me was you all who were already doing the work.
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And I wanted to know what drove interviewing the interviewer in a sense. But then I also have this passion for books. I was like, Hey, like I really want to interview authors about anything strange, weird and UFO spirit, spiritual, paranormal, all that stuff. So that's why I started. That's awesome. Awesome. And before we move on to you, Graham, I'm going to bring in Dave. I think he's fresh from wardrobe and makeup.
00:04:24
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Dave, how are you doing, man? Beautiful. I'm all right. Good. Thank you, mate. Good to see you. Oh, yeah. I see everyone. Hello. Oh, is this the first time you and Priscilla have met, Dave? Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Awkward first date. Melissa, did you make up, though? Yeah. Yeah. I heard you spend a lot of time. So, you know, I learned from Vinny. That's why. Hey, I just like sharing all the knowledge, you know.
Graham and Dave's Podcasting Beginnings
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So Graham and Dave together because you host your show together like it's probably a little bit different for you guys because you don't have like guests necessarily but I guess the question is what made you start but I think Andy just pressured you basically but you know let's hear your take on it. Go on Dave you go first. Yeah it was press gang more or less. Yeah conscripted. Now you just
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wanted to do something different, he wanted someone who could dive into the historical aspect of the subject, and you know through conversations with Graham and myself on Andy's show, you know he kind of thought that
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us having a conversation together would be perfect for a perfect platform for you know the historical UFO files to come to fruition. Yeah it sounded me out a couple of times before we sort of came up with a eventual idea and then I think we discussed it over a coffee wonder in these starbucks that he frequents down in Newcastle
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So we were thrashed out with what was possible. I wasn't really sure to start with, to be honest, because I'm not entirely sure I'm a great fit for being a presenter. I feel more comfortable being interviewed.
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so i don't know how that comes across when i'm sort of asking the questions or i'm talking about it but it wasn't necessarily what i thought was my natural environment so i was a bit hesitant and i think i had looked beforehand to find there was any kind of vehicle i could use to become a podcaster and i'd sort of resigned to myself to the fact that no i'm not i'm not cut out for this
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but Andy sort of convinced me and when he suggested I do something with Dave I thought yeah I'll leap at that because it just sounded such a good idea and it seems to have worked so far so I'm really happy how it's turned out.
00:06:43
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Yeah, I suppose it must be nice to have someone to bounce off because I'm solo and Priscilla, you're solo also. So Dan, let's hear from you because you obviously work with Andy on that UFO podcast. So what's it like having someone to bounce off? You know what, it was a very natural organic thing that came about. Like all you guys are seeing is basically what Andy and I did anyway. And we connected before I went on the podcast with Andy and before the podcast became
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you know successful and yeah we would just have conversations just like kind of I guess we will probably have after this tonight and the ones we had in London guys when we met and we just thought you know what should we just record these and put these out and we started and people responded well and yeah it's quite good because Andy has a different perspective to me he's more
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nuts and bolts a bit more in the middle of the road, whereas I'm kind of quite into the woo side of things. So we balance each other out quite nicely and, you know, neither of us take it personally. And yeah, it's just nice.
00:07:43
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Excellent, excellent. Now, unfortunately, and I saw a lot of comments the last couple of days saying, you know, it's a shame Andy can't make it. But we have got a message from Andy. So Andy's computer generated this. Yeah, I'm going to bring that up before we no one has that accent. Move on. Why can't I? I want to select. Ah, look at it. There he is. Right. I know him. I hope the volumes OK, guys. So let's let's just play this. See what see what he's got to say.
00:08:12
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Hi all, Vinny, Dan, Graham, Dave and Priscilla. Sorry I can't be there live. This sounds like one of those bad awards accepting speeches now, doesn't it? Can't be there live via satellite. Just a massive thank you for me, to all of you for being a part of Anomalous Podcast Network.
00:08:27
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The idea was to get a range of shows to people via audio platform. I love audio. I love podcasts in general that people might not otherwise know or find because they watch them via other methods. The response has been amazing. There's been such a variety of podcasts and YouTube content for people to consume on the topic of UFOs.
00:08:46
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I was hoping to bring light-minded podcasts together, people like yourselves with the right attitudes and approach to the subject that I like to think I have and take as well and I really enjoy listening and watching your own content too. From Vinnie and Priscilla who have established podcasters allowing me to put their shows and content out to Graham and Dave starting their own which I wanted them to do for a long time but had never really said
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and their show really is truly unique and that's a really hard thing to do in this day and age and it just gets better with each passing episode, people should be checking that out and it really adds to people's knowledge of the subject as well. We can get lost in the hearing now but there's a rich history that Dave and Graham both cover fantastically and of course Dan as well, not only for his good ethics work which he does, I think a lot of people probably assume that anyway for the logos and the various podcasts they have distinct looks about them too.
00:09:37
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But again, hopefully he's going to be starting his own one soon that he's mentioned and talked about before with his own style and approach, colouring outside the line. So enjoy your conversation. Thanks to everyone who listens and follows, and whether it's a normalist podcast network, that UFO podcast or any of the shows that the wonderful people that are on just now that do and contribute.
00:09:57
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All the folks on now deserve your support, their attention. They contribute a lot to our topic right now, which desperately needs people like them. So thank you very much and enjoy the rest of your chat, folks.
00:10:13
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That's him. Sorry. I just want to say that Jay Christopher King just said this would be a great opportunity for a deep fake if anyone in ufology could convincingly imitate Andy. One, Andy doesn't visit impressions. If you haven't heard them, I'll get him to do some more on the next show. And two, Jay, how do you know that wasn't a deep fake? I like it. I like it.
00:10:36
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Now I asked Andy to do that, I wasn't sure whether it was going to be humorous or to the point. So thank you Andy anyway for doing that, I really appreciate it and for his hard work, he worked so hard. But he raised a good point in there and that's when he was mentioning Dave and Graham's show talking about this rich history that I think sometimes does get a bit lost or people would really do spend too much time focusing on this here and now.
Significance of Historical UFO Cases
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So again Dave or Graham if you want to just
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touch upon the importance of the relevance of these old cases still being looked at and not forgotten? Well, the reason they're still around is because they've never been explained. And, you know, for people who think that your apology started in 2004 with a Nimitz event, you know, this gives us a chance to kind of fill in the 60 years of blanks that happened before that.
00:11:30
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Yeah, it's true. There is such a rich history. And as Dave says, a lot of it hasn't been explained, some of it has, but it hasn't necessarily been explained to the degree that people might like. So, you know, everybody knows the story about how Blue Book sort of just through explanations, random explanations of certain things that didn't always make sense. You know, all at the end, it's Venus, it's a swamp gas kind of thing.
00:11:54
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So we're trying to go beyond those kind of just mundane explanations that were just thrown to basically give the press or the public something just to go, yeah, OK, that's fine. What's next? And actually dial back and find out what the real story is behind these subjects and these cases and bring it out so people can see them. Because otherwise, they're just going to get lost in the midst of time. And people don't necessarily always have the time or the inclination or sometimes just aren't aware that these things exist from back then.
00:12:23
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and if they're not reading books or they're not looking at certain podcasts or certain magazines etc then these things escape them and hopefully this is a good vehicle to bring this kind of thing to their attention. Yeah absolutely, I mean it's one thing I really like Graham that you do is you regularly put posts up on Twitter with some documents or cases, I think you did one today from
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1950 was it? I've had some from 1948-1945. It's great because I always stop for a minute and read them and you can link some of those old cases with the more modern stuff. I think that's quite valuable as well to show that this is not a new thing. It has been happening for a long time.
00:13:04
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These drone explanations just can't be that simple. No, they can't be. That's true. I'm not the only person does that. Obviously, I'm sure Sean witnesses and he has, you know, here's quite a good thing about putting things forward as well. He looks really obscure documents. So I'm not the first. I'm certainly would be the last person to do this.
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but it's quite interesting sometimes just stumbling across something and thinking actually that should be put out there for people to read and it's not just something I should keep a hold of until I put it into the next book I'm writing or something like that. I'd rather have it out there for people to have a look at and examine even if it's something that actually isn't doesn't really amount to anything.
00:13:41
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because sometimes they are meteors, they are fireballs, you know, kind of thing, and they're not UFOs. But it's just interesting to see what the kind of reporting was back then, and the levels that people went to in terms of writing things down, and how it was put across to the people who needed to know that information. And then you contrast that with what's happening today. And you can see parallels with sometimes you can see differences as well. And it just all adds up to a bigger picture.
Impact of UFO Research on Family Life
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Yeah, absolutely. I will give a shout out to Mr. Sean Rush, awesome, awesome researcher, but very valuable. That's actually another duo, isn't it? Because he does it with Jay and they bounce off each other really well. Yeah, they do. They're great. So Priscilla, what are your thoughts? Or don't go on and move through Priscilla's neck. I was just going to talk about the old faces.
00:14:27
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Yeah, they I think that what you guys do is great because I love I'm a little bit of a history nerd I don't talk about it a lot But when I see something that when when either of you post something It's something that I automatically stop and I really take the time to read That's not saying that I'm just scrolling through but we all scroll through and we're like, oh someone's complaining. Oh, that's not real Oh, that's gimmicky and then we I see Graham or cave posting and I'm like pump the brakes This is something I really want to read
00:14:56
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And I will read it and I love learning about the history because without the people are always like, Oh, well, why does the old cases we've all heard it? We've all heard it. Like, no, you haven't reread it again with a set of fresh eyes now, even if you have heard of it. So you kind of have us do that.
00:15:13
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Yeah, it's great to, you know, go back and see the same investigative techniques were being used. They're still being used today. And these investigators and researchers were coming up against the same obstacles that we do as well. You know, they were being blocked by the US Air Force or they couldn't get the information they wanted from the government.
00:15:35
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you know, they didn't have the internet to help them. If they wanted to find out something from another researcher there to write a letter or go and visit them, wait a couple of weeks for a response. So, you know, it's kind of, we appreciate the historical aspect more because of the work and the boots on the ground that they actually had to do.
00:15:53
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I think people forget that there weren't that many researchers back then anyway, certainly in the 50s and 60s. It was a kind of like, you know, in the infancy of people actually getting to grips with the situation. I know in the Foo Fighters book I railed against the fact that a lot of aircrew weren't interviewed straight after the water about their experiences, but actually, you know, really
00:16:13
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I should have like, you know, sort of modified that with a kind of saying, well, it is because there weren't that many people available to do that kind of work. And also, if you are sort of spending most of your time, as people like Len Stringfield were, writing a newsletter, it leaves Cora Lorenzen doing APRO. It leaves very little time to actually do anything worthwhile beyond that.
00:16:33
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um because people had families you know jobs all the rest of it so you know where would the time come from and also more importantly where would the money come from to keep traveling around the country ringing people up sending letters all the rest of it it costs money and time and people just didn't have that unfortunately yeah definitely you mentioned families there and i mean this is something that everybody has and we all have them and this is why like what we do you know it has impact on our families because we
00:17:00
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spend our time researching, hosting podcasts and doing all these things for the subject and the cost is that we spend less time with our families. I think that's just something that I think gets lost somewhere or people don't realize that and
00:17:13
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They quickly, easily complain about something, but they don't appreciate things in the right way sometimes. I don't want to focus on the negative. I just felt like I should mention that.
Recent Developments in UAP Studies
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And you're talking about these old cases and all of the documents and stuff that we had with Bluebook and stuff. And bringing it up to modern days, we've just seen these all SAP documents, the DIA documents come out, and the mainstream media have jumped on it again. And I've certainly noticed a lot.
00:17:39
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more interactions online because of that. So what do you guys think about these OSAP DIA things? I'm just going to admit now that I haven't read any of it. That's okay. I've been busy. Yeah, it's only been a few days. I think the one thing that stuck out for me is that we keep getting more and more information but we still haven't, you know, we still don't know all the nuances between ATIP and OSAP even with
00:18:06
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hundreds, thousands more documents. What do you think? Yeah, it's been really interesting seeing people dig into them. Sean and Jay have been digging into the dirt and all the documents. Adam Kehoe online as well has been looking at the sources for the documents themselves and finding that a lot of the data comes from Mufon. And yeah, it's a lot to dig into, but it's almost like we're crowdsourcing the effort. And I've been really curious because obviously Dave and Graham are quite nuts and bolts, but Priscilla is quite
00:18:33
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you know, into the, I'll say the woo and I don't mean to disparage. No, I'm absolutely not. But yeah, I want I wanted your thoughts Priscilla on it, because obviously, there are, there are kind of things that we don't really understand about the body and the universe and so on, so forth. Right. And I wondered if it plugged into any of the things that you understand better than the most
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Yes, first, you know, with those whole document thing that everybody's in uproar about, it's great to get new information. But when I started looking into it, because I have taken like college courses on researching, you know, I was in a virology lab before I was a mom. So I did research things. And even if I see something that might corroborate something I've heard from an experiencer,
00:19:16
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or myself or kind of the woo aspects that are kind of popping up in some of these documents. We still don't have all the pieces. And then when I saw some of it's coming from Mufon and it's really not clear in the original article where these people are sourcing things from all over the place. So I do like seeing it there that people are reporting this sort of stuff and that it's coming out, but I'm still not ready to like
00:19:40
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I don't understand it yet, and I don't think anybody has until we see everything and everything not blacked out on a document. It's going to be hard for us to understand, but I don't think that we should stop talking about it because we don't have proof. I think that when we see strange things on documents like the infamous slide nine, we need to continue to keep that as a point of research.
00:20:05
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Yeah, absolutely. I'm a bit like Dave, I haven't had the time to actually look through them all yet because there just seems to be so much of it. I think I want to wait a little bit while till the dust settles and then maybe have a bit more sort of a more sensible look at things. I'm actually writing at the moment so I've gotten most of my time spent on that. But
00:20:24
Speaker
As far as I'm concerned, it just seems every time you have things like that, it throws up more questions than answers. And I think that's how the whole thing seems to be progressing at the moment. That might be a good thing, however, because it seems like we've got a lot of information coming through. And it just, OK, yeah, it's throwing up these questions. But actually, it's much more than we've actually had in the past. So really, we shouldn't be too ungrateful and we shouldn't be too disappointed that we're not getting things handed to us on a plate. It's actually better than what it seemed to be 20 years ago, where people were just casting around for anything.
00:20:54
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all the kind of weird and wonderful and wacky stuff was coming out and nobody was really moving forward whereas now it seems to be having these kind of progressions.
Accountability in UAP Government Disclosures
00:21:02
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We're actually in sight of something you know that might be tangible but it's just it's a bit of still a bit of a slow and painful process. Yeah definitely I think one thing that's happened in the last few days with it all coming out so quickly is that we've had people like John Greenwald
00:21:19
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Alexandra Rojas, Keith Bastifield, all getting all SAP documents. And a Barry as well. Yeah, I was going to say, then the sun's getting these documents. It's like, wait, are these all different? Who's got what? And I guess you do need a bit of time to let it settle to figure out what is.
00:21:34
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there we should after all of us because Annie and I are going to do it during the breakdowns we're going to pick like four or five dudes per breakdown and just jump into them and do a little summer only a light one just because it'll be interesting to see what's there but for sure at the moment the the prevailing notion seems to be that
00:21:52
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Susan Gough and the DoD has said that the program had nothing to do with UAP when actually digging into the dirt. Even already, people are seeing that they have a lot to do with UAP. Even if you have to read a little bit between the lines, these things contain really out there thinking. So for that statement to change from Chris Sherwood's statement of, yes, it studied UAP to know it didn't,
00:22:16
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It's kind of a provable line now, and you've got to wonder. At some point, in fact, give me a second. I can give you the number.
00:22:24
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100, oh, sorry, 932 days ago, Susan Goff sent an email saying that she or all UAP inquiries has come to her 932 days ago. That's how long we've been waiting for someone to go hold on a second, you're not allowed to do this before. And now we can prove that she lied. And because of the legislation, we actually have legal apparatus to pressure her with. So game on, Susan.
00:22:46
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Well, somebody needs to start the game, though, because we see this happen over and over where people are caught lying and they still it's been a year. It'll be years before somebody actually holds them accountable. You lied to the world, not just the American public, but the world. And it's not OK.
00:23:03
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Yeah, my hope there is because we've still got the the DOD IG report to come and there are currently two complaints it seems in with them. One is to do with the DOD's handling of the issue and the other one is to do with the DOD's handling of Lou Elizondo specifically and his emails. All of those things should be able to be held to account but we need to wait the report. I
00:23:26
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hope it's something that scratches that edge for you, Priscilla, and we finally get some people hell to account because... Whether it's something that's understandable, like, okay, this is some weird technology. I don't care where the technology came from at this point. I don't care if it's from another dimension. I don't care if it's from some planet we'd never heard of. You lied. You're hiding it. That's the bottom line. And I understand. I understand national security. My husband's military. Like I want all of the military people of the world to be safe.
00:23:52
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I want people to be able to have their technology that they developed in a safe space. But a lot of this involves so much more than military related people. We've got civilians thinking that they're going crazy because they've witnessed something. We've got military people that have trained and aren't afraid to die that are afraid because they don't understand it. So there's so many layers to this that we need to explore.
00:24:17
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And these are all the people we trust, you know, on 9-11, Dave Fraver and his unit would have been the guys to respond to what was happening there. If we can trust them for that, how can we go, oh, it was a glare in your windshield. You know, it doesn't. They're up there every day and it's the same thing. And I always joke about my husband and if something's happening, I'm like, dude, unless your eyes hanging out of your head, it's not an emergency to him.
00:24:42
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And that's somebody that's, you know, everyday life. Can you imagine being in the air every day? And then somebody saying, oh, well, that was just Venus. Yeah. And you're talking about what I want to say. I can't say because it's not, you know, I want to be like, I can't tell off the world. It's not 9 p.m. yet. This talk about like the Susan Goff and this stuff and the lies and the
00:25:08
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deceiving in that. I mean, again, that goes back to what we've seen historically.
Historical UFO Case Cover-ups
00:25:13
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We know from, you know, the true purposes of Blue Book and then pretty much trying to debunk things and say there's nothing to see here, the Robertson panel, all that kind of stuff. Graham and Dave, have you come across that kind of thing when looking at these older cases that it's not quite straightforward? Well, Thomas Mantell once springs to mind, isn't it, Graham? Yeah, I mean, one of many. But yes, talk about Mantell, if you like.
00:25:38
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The fact that that was covered up. Yeah, we're there. I should change chairs, right? Yeah, take a chair. Yeah, very good. I'm Vinny now. But the fact that they tried to cover up Mantel's, you know, death as, oh, he was just chasing Venus, you know, back in 1948. I mean, he was an experienced pilot.
00:26:01
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and even his last radio transmissions he is not described in Venus. No he's not and also this confusion which about how high he was whether he was at a height that they keep saying he is at like 25,000 feet and above he may have only been at 20,000 feet
00:26:19
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There's some discrepancies in terms of what the pilot testimony is about surviving witnesses, and it's almost a kind of not necessarily cover about a UFO but a cover up just about incompetence, and just a general kind of, you know, malaise in the Air Force at the time about how they were trained and how they were flying together.
00:26:35
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So there's a whole lot of things wrapped up there. But then if you look at other cases throughout kind of things, I'm actually looking at the moment in terms of what I'm writing right through this kind of period from about 48 through about the mid 50s. You just see time after time after time that the Air Force either didn't know, generally didn't know what was happening and just came up with things that seem to fit and therefore, well, OK, we'll use that because we've got nothing else.
00:27:02
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and then let's move on to the next one because we're getting case after case or after as mentioned the Robertson panel then there was a definite kind of look we have to try and debunk these cases we want an education program to say that they're just mundane items and this is how we teach people to recognize that fact
00:27:21
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therefore everything else just is then written off as a meteor, as a star, you know as a planet, whatever, another aircraft definitely not a UFO and that was how the direction of travel went and you can see in the reports even started almost straight away after January 53 when the Robinson panel convened but that directive, that kind of recommendation rather was adopted and adopted very quickly
00:27:44
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and then I've been having a look recently at the last couple of months at some of the cases from 53 and 54 and you can see quite clearly that you know they're just these explanations just come out of the blue even when the testimony from the pilots doesn't support what they came up with it's oh well it must be Venus because it's in the general area or Venus was visible that day
00:28:06
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Yeah, but what they've said doesn't match anything. I mean, there's one about the BOAC airliner crew who saw seven objects over Labrador at the end of June 1954. And there were six small objects in this bigger one in the middle that kept changing shape.
00:28:22
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And even though the seven objects were parallel to the aircraft at all times, so it wasn't as if it was an aspect change. They weren't seeing it from slightly different directions as they sort of flew around around like that. And yet this thing changed three times different distinct shapes. And what was the ATIC and Bluebook's estimation? It was Mars.
00:28:45
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I mean, it gets pretty close sometimes, right? I just set Graham up and then just watch him go. I take the screenshot so I can freeze my screen and then I go off and make help team.
00:29:08
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Awesome, right. I'm sorry, I've lost my track. I've got notes next to me. Pass me one of those glasses of wine, please. I'm feeling good. Yeah, sure, no problem. Thank you. Cheers. Oh, it doesn't work that way, does it? One day. I'm just going to take a moment to say thank you to everyone here in the chat. If anyone in the chat has any questions for anybody on the panel about anything.
00:29:28
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as long as it's clean, popping capital letters. Because this is, you know, we're talking about important stuff, but it is a chilled conversation. We're not going to stay serious the whole time. So I'm actually going to change the subject and go a little less serious and say individually.
Dream Guests for the Podcast
00:29:47
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Individually, let's talk about your ideal guest. If you were to have someone on your podcast,
00:29:54
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and this is Dead or Alive from anywhere in Ufology. Who would it be and why? So we'll start with you, Priscilla. Oh my goodness. I've had two. I've had two. So Diana was there. Jeffrey Kreipel was just on my wish list and he's there. But obviously people want to talk to, you know, Jacques Bellet, of course. I feel like
00:30:21
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But after having those two on, I don't know. I don't know who I'm going to have on next because those were on my wish list. I don't know how to put it any other way. I didn't think either of them are going to write back. I didn't think anybody's going to respond. Same thing with Paula Harris. And I feel like I don't know who I'd want on. I would obviously one day love to talk to Lou, but I think I'm too jittery still for the Lou stuff. First, I'm afraid to ask.
00:30:53
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Well, he's biology. Well, he's a biology guy. And so my, I'm not a guy, sometimes I am. I've been called bro before, but like, um, you know, I'm a biology guy. So he is too. And I love to pick his brain about some theoretical stuff as far as, um,
00:31:09
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like astrobiology type stuff. But yeah, I think that that's probably like one of my, I think that'd be like the next tier of dream guests that I could get on. But I just, I just got done talking to, you know, the UFO handbook, Cheryl Costa, like I've had so many people on that I've wanted to have on. So I think like, obviously, Lou and his friends, Lou and friends come on over. Nice. It's just not a band. Yeah. They're all alive. So anybody. Me? Yeah.
00:31:39
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Right. Well, I was asked this on the Noctippican podcast a while back and I said Steven Spielberg. Ooh. I want to know what he knows and why he made what he made if he didn't know what he knows. Yeah, that's really interesting. I was actually listening to something about that last night to say, well, it was actually somebody stating for a fact that Spielberg was pushed in that direction through, you know, this Hollywood
00:32:08
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in the no kind of thing. And of course we don't know that, but it certainly does raise so many questions. I mean, when you got J. Alan Hynek as a consultant, when you're making a film about alien contacts and alien abduction, you know, that kind of, you know, raises a little flag somewhere. And then the alleged comments made by Reagan to Spielberg when he saw E.T. saying, oh yeah, if only people knew how close this was. I think the other guy as well would be James Cameron.
00:32:38
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another filmmaker because you know if you remember the start of the abyss and you've got the the uso which is traveling 120 knots which causes the submarine to you know beach itself on on a underwater cliff you know it's um
00:32:56
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There's no way that he wasn't told something else either. Had someone whispering in his ear some knowledge. Yeah. Now that's two very good choices. Oh, you're making me rethink mine. Yeah, I know. I'm like, I'm looking at the chat. I'm like, oh, I should pick somebody dead because there's all these people. Yeah. Anyone in the chat throw yours in as well. We could have a seance guys. Graham, what about you?
00:33:22
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Two dead people in that case, we're talking about Thomas Mantel before the F51 pilot who was chasing after Venus. He would be, you know, to speak to him to find out what he was actually chasing and the circumstances actually happened as he saw it. But the other person, yeah, the other person is Jesse Marcel.
00:33:40
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funny enough of the Roswell incident because he came out of the wilderness in 1978 to talk about his story. He approached Stanton Freeman to talk about the case and then it developed from there but he didn't have very long left did he because he was ill and
00:34:01
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people nowadays in terms of how they question and how they find things out it's probably a bit different from what happened back then in terms of getting information out of people because things can be checked quite easily now or much easier than they were back then and I think he'd be fascinating to talk to because you don't see interviews with him.
00:34:21
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you don't necessarily see the kind of level that we get to now with talking to people at length and all the rest of it and interviewing people when you can see them on podcasts etc and you can see their facial expressions and you can see you know the demeanor and all the rest of it. I think it'd be fascinating to talk to him and see him being interviewed nowadays but also that you know those days are long gone unfortunately. Yeah great choices. Before I ask you Dan I'm just going to go through the chat because we've got
00:34:47
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Dan Aykroyd, John Mack, Carl Lorenzen, Len Stringfield, Dan Aykroyd again, Nikola Tesla. Oh, Benji took mine. There you go. I'll take a different one. Mine are pretty boring because mine would be someone that's involved in the UAP task force. This gap between when Lou left ATIP to now, who's been working
00:35:13
Speaker
behind the scenes that we don't really know the names and the ins and outs, the intricacies of the work. So I'd like to speak to somebody there, but then also someone like Marco Rubio, mine are boring senators. I want to know what they talk about in the Senate and in the Congress and that behind the scenes in those corridors when the UAP conversation comes up. So mine might be pretty boring, but I'm just being honest.
00:35:35
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Nice. I've got a few and because I haven't started the podcast yet, some of these areas can be filled. So I'd love to speak to a devout thalarmite that's someone who is into essentially what Crowley created. I think that would be really interesting to talk about.
00:35:50
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all of that stuff, plus Jack Parsons and the JPL, NASA, how they created the rocket designs. I think that'd be really interesting. Probably Tim Taylor, if only to get him to tell me how to stop drinking coffee so I can focus on his protocols. What Disney would be one? I think that would be super interesting, even if it was just for the creative stuff. Who knows, you might be able to unfreeze him and get him on my podcast.
00:36:22
Speaker
And Kennedy, I think he would be a very interesting guest. Again, outside of UAP stuff, and UFO stuff, I don't want to anger anyone. Which one? Which one? Which one? An identified transmedium object, so UTO. Oh, getting wild. Yeah, getting wild, yeah. No, which Kennedy? Which Kennedy?
00:36:48
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Oh, you know the one. The one that accidentally ingested a bullet, a magic bullet. Several. Yeah, about Marilyn as well. That was to say you'd have to have Marilyn too. Interesting. I'd love to talk to Marilyn again for other reasons than UAP. I think it would be interesting the crew she created a persona.
00:37:10
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And actors creating personas I find fascinating. And if you're not sure what I mean, go have a look at Jim Carrey and where he is now and listen to, he did a commencement speech. He's very spiritualist and he's kind of lost his sense of who he is. And that makes a lot of sense to me because he's in the public limelight.
00:37:27
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psychologically, he probably can't, he doesn't know where the line is between his performance and his actual self. And he's become very introspective and probably young Ian. So I think he would be super interesting to speak to as well. He would be interesting because of that. It's like, did he forget who he was? Or is he remembering who he actually is? And I love that question. And the thing is about him as well is,
00:37:54
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Like looking at Crowley and Jack Parsons and all these other people, some people kind of lose themselves to spirituality. And if you want a good example of that, look at Jared Leto of 30 Seconds to Mars. He's a very spiritual person, but he's very selfish. He's not kind of remembering that, you know, supposedly love is the law and that's what you're meant to walk with.
00:38:12
Speaker
Whereas Jim Carrey, I find a very empathetic person and he just wants to protect other people's experiences that they have in life. And I think that's really beautiful. So I'd love to kind of prop him up and talk to him about that stuff. Let's get him on Dan's show, guys. Let's start. Amazing. A few more from the chat. We've got Sean's coming up with some dream panels here. Can I add one more? I would love to speak to Lou's wife.
00:38:36
Speaker
Oh my gosh. I think that would be such an interesting conversation. Oh, it would be so personal though. I think about all the behind the scenes stuff. Yeah. I think, I mean, maybe, maybe I'll get to speak to Jen privately one day, but she's an absolute rock of a person. I mean, she must be to support doing what he's doing and to be the guy that, or to be the person that he comes home to, to unload all of this stuff. Yeah.
00:39:00
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Yeah, I think that's an incredible story, Wayne, to be told. Absolutely. If she ever wants to tell it. That is a good one, yeah. So, yeah, so, sorry, Sean in the chat saying Frank Edwards and Ross Coulthard, like a dream for us. Oh, yeah, Ross. Like just mixing up the ears and stuff like that. Yeah, definitely. That's amazing. Jay Allen Hynek is a great one. Betty and Barney Hill. Betty and Barney Hill. One show, Elizondo and Kehoe. I like it. I like what Sean's doing here. John Lennon.
00:39:28
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John Lennon, you know what absolutely has a great series of articles on John Lennon's UFO experiences. I recommend, I think they're on Medium, so just Google John Lennon, Medium, Bryce Zabel, and he's the guy that directed Dark Skies, if you're not sure, and he's got an upcoming Betty and Barney Hill show, which should be amazing. But yeah, have a look, and yeah, he loves it. Well, so many brilliant people, right, have experiences. David Bowie is another one who had, you know, an amazing experience, an amazing artist.
00:39:55
Speaker
And just an amazing world view before a lot of people had that world view, like especially on people being prejudiced against who they put on TV as far as their color of their skin goes. Like David Bowie was ahead of all that. And when MTV was still like what, you know, when they started so.
00:40:12
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It's interesting these people that have had not just UFO experiences, but any metaphysical experience at an early age or anywhere in their life creates this like insane opening of creativity or knowledge. It doesn't even have to be creative. It could just be like just knowledge like what Graham does, you know? Yeah.
00:40:34
Speaker
I think we'd have to torture the info of Eisenhower on our podcast. Whoever is the Nordic running Mount Shasta these days. We're not afraid of the gin. If you can find a gin, I would happily host a gin on my podcast.
00:40:59
Speaker
Sean's going on fire. Helen Coates are in Brennan. He's going deep. He's going to James. Ingo Swan. There's a great one.
00:41:11
Speaker
So you guys, you guys, I love it. I love this. So keeping this kind of mellow vein, recently here in the UK, we had UFO week on Blaze TV, throw in a load of documentaries that have, you know, been out for a while, a couple of newer ones.
Recommended UFO Documentaries
00:41:26
Speaker
So if anybody now was sort of approached by a friend or a relative and sort of said, you know, what, what should I look at? Where should I start without saying the phenomenon?
00:41:36
Speaker
because that's kind of the one we all say. What would you guys say you know or you know what's a bit you know what's appropriate do you think? Well without saying the phenomenon and especially not saying it in the in the in the style of the Muppetsong phenomena. The Westall 66 documentary.
00:41:58
Speaker
you know you two just throw sorry the westall66 document was really really good yeah it's so in depth and it just but it takes its time as well it's not just throwing thing after thing after thing after you it actually just lets you it just builds up and builds up and it's very atmospheric and very just very knowledgeable how it comes across and just you know sort of digs into the case i was absolutely fascinated when i saw it first time around
00:42:25
Speaker
I've seen it a couple of times afterwards and just re-watched it because it's just so fascinating. So I encourage people to watch that if they haven't seen it already. Absolutely, I really enjoyed that one definitely.
00:42:36
Speaker
Anybody else? Any recommendations? I think it's a phenomena. As far as kind of getting away from that sort of, if people were more concerned about or interested in the more less nuts and bolts types of stuff, the Extraordinary series, there's all sorts of, sorry, it sounds like there's an elephant up there.
00:42:56
Speaker
It's just my kids. The Extraordinary Series covers a bunch of different things from actual cases to the way out there fringe area of hybridization. So that one or the Ross-Cult Hart ones. Oh, absolutely. I'll see if anyone wants to start at a really low level, basic level.
00:43:17
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the first series on the trail of flying saucers from small town monsters. Seth Breedlove and Shannon LaGrow just go into all the hotspots of classic ufology like Area 51 and Roswell and just trying to work out what makes people believe in UFOs.
00:43:42
Speaker
you know, whether they've seen something or whether they've heard from someone else, you know, it's kind of that's almost like an introductory series knife amp. And then you go on to phenomenon.
00:43:55
Speaker
Yeah, good point. I'll say what Dan started to say, which is phenomenology, which is the one that we've just finished filming. Of course, I'm going to be biased, but I think people will be surprised at how that turns out. One thing that I think is hopefully going to be interesting is when the tear in the sky releases, there is going to be some scientific peer-reviewed data apparently coming out at the same time. And I quite like the idea of
00:44:18
Speaker
a documentary that has data and stuff for the science and academia to look at at the same time. That's something we've not really seen before, so I think that could potentially be pretty good. Yeah, that would be awesome. I know with phenomenology there should be some things dropped at the same time as
00:44:35
Speaker
the episode drops, so that'll be really interesting to see that. For me, I'm going to choose Witness of Another World. I really love that film. It's not just about the sighting or whether it happened, but it's the effect that it has on the person in their life and how it changes their life. And I think that's such an important thing that we get. You know, yes, there are these things in the sky, but they seem to be doing something to us. And for me, it's been nice this week seeing the focus come back to what
00:45:03
Speaker
the effect these things have on people. You know, Jacqueline thinks it's inspiring us along a path of innovation or something, or like a control system. Other people think that they do an experiment. It's, you know, full of speculation, but the effect they have on us, you know, if they're here for something with us, they hear.
00:45:19
Speaker
for us, so we should be studying that. I think it's really interesting. The other thing that I think people should watch, and only because you guys have kind of covered the bases on the entry points, I'm going to throw in third eye spies and men who stare at girls. Just because this side of the phenomena is such an important part of it, and it's ahead of us, and we're almost starting to address it now, but it's the weirdest stuff, like
00:45:43
Speaker
I don't want to say psychic, but essentially psychic spies the Americans used and Project Gateway or Stargate and all the things the Monroe Institute do with remote viewing. I think they're really interesting resources that are going to come into play a little bit more as we walk down this path. So I think if you want to get a little bit ahead of where this is going, have a look at that stuff. And I think you'll be solid. Good choices. It's a nice variation there, definitely.
00:46:16
Speaker
So I guess the next point I wanted to talk about is kind of it's a little bit difficult really to question is kind of going forward what what we want to see for the maybe not not so much like the next five or ten years but just for the rest of this year you know because sometimes we feel like we're in a bit of a down period and I think that's when it brings out the worst of people because they've got nothing to focus on but in an ideal world where do people think where would they like to see the subject go in and
Future of UFO Research and Awareness
00:46:43
Speaker
And what are you kind of going to be doing to keep yourselves busy in that time as well? That's for anybody who wants to chime in. I'll chime in. I obviously want to see more governments and their agencies getting involved on a serious level. And I want to see more progression in the United States government and on a human level.
00:47:09
Speaker
I want more people to become experiencers in a way that they can expand without having, you know, their life turned upside down. Because some people's experience is really like ontological crisis happens and all that stuff. And now we have biological effects, you know, talked about more. But I do think that the people need to be talked about more. And I would love to see more people take that up, kind of like what Jay is doing with Experience Your Group.
00:47:36
Speaker
To for everyday people because there's more of us than there are professional people than I get I get why people want to look at military personnel and credible witnesses I get that at the same time. I've met so many people That have had their lives turned upside down by just seeing a light in the sky that they could not explain so or the fact that the government has mentioned that and
00:48:00
Speaker
Like in serious way, this is freaking people out. So I think that there needs to be more people holding space. And that's where I would love for everything to go. I think that the government stuff and the nuts and bolts stuff is being taken care of, but we need to take care of people as well.
00:48:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's been a long time coming. I'd like to say the UK government sort of reached somewhere even halfway towards what the American government are sort of currently grappling with, is to overturn this, oh there's something in 50 years and nothing of defense significance kind of mantra they keep coming up with.
00:48:33
Speaker
So I'd like to see it more of a recognition that actually there's something out there that is tangible, is real, and needs explaining rather than just this cozy little dismissal of, oh, there's nothing to see here, move on. So that's the kind of thing I'd love to see in the next year. Not sure it's going to happen, unfortunately. And how I deal with this kind of downtime, I write. That's what I do. I dig out the old cases. I try and find parallels between the old and the new and just maybe a way of
00:49:02
Speaker
putting these into the public realm in case people haven't seen them before and maybe just offering a little few nuggets of information along the way for people just to add to what they already know or if they already know about what I'm writing then just maybe reinforce that knowledge. Yeah, Dave what about you?
00:49:21
Speaker
What do you focus on? Well, I want to I agree with Graham and the UK government does have to start acknowledging this because they're looking pretty ridiculous at the moment. I mean, they look ridiculous anyway, because we got a complete circus of buffoons in charge. But it's not just the government that needs to acknowledge this as well. It's our our military and our departments. You know, the DOD needs to say, look, all right, we had it.
00:49:51
Speaker
we've moved it elsewhere. Good luck finding it, but it is elsewhere and we are still looking at it. And you know what, as soon as I get this last mago, I'm just going to chill out for a bit, six months.
00:50:06
Speaker
I think six months to write a book could be pretty good. You know, I know Graeme would turn his nose up and say, oh, can you give us a clue on where your direction would go with a book? Yeah, I posted the synopsis on Twitter the other day. I missed it. I did see it. It's fiction. True through fiction.
00:50:35
Speaker
That's good, though. We need some good vehicle. I was off Twitter, so I missed it. I'll try and find it and post it in the description of this. That's a challenge for me. It was brilliant. And I think you had some talking points in you. Yeah, I just wanted to ask each of you a question if that's OK, because you're all kind of really well versed in certain things.
00:50:57
Speaker
And yeah, I just wanted to be specific. So Priscilla, based on your background, there's a little crossover with what Lou studied when he was coming through his college in virology and stuff like that. And I just wanted to show the question out there of what do you think of the idea that viruses are another form of life?
00:51:16
Speaker
Well, that was actually what I wanted to study. I aced my virology class. I had virology internship. I was doing genome libraries for certain viruses that my mentor was studying. And there is a lot of people kind of take what they see. Lou mentioned that viruses have RNA. And we all have RNA. But it's also important to say that there's different types of RNA viruses, single strand, double strand, and the same thing with DNA viruses.
00:51:46
Speaker
single strand, double strand, they get weird. My mentor, I believe they were alive because, you know, what we consider a life is things that sort of metabolize, respond to their environment, change over time.
00:51:59
Speaker
consume and they kind of like hijack ourselves, you know, so that might be their way of consumption through us, which is interesting. So we need to realize like at the basic form what life actually is because even our mitochondria has its own DNA.
00:52:16
Speaker
So, I mean, basically the thought behind that is that something ate a mitochondria and here we are. So that's a very dumbed down version, of course. But yeah, I think that people need to realize that life might come in different ways and that we need to look at other ways that other building blocks may combine.
00:52:38
Speaker
and get it out of our head that something we see might not, well something we might see that's alien or extraterrestrial might not actually be that different from us on a building block level because there are so, there are only so many elements that can create life, right? And we learned it as sponge, right? Cytrogen, you know, sulfur, phosphorus, that's like the acronym to remember them. So we need to look for more things. I know there are people studying like, you know, silicon, it's a possibility and all that.
00:53:05
Speaker
But yeah, I just think that people need to broaden their definition of life and especially with the virus. We don't know if it's sentient or not or if it's just some machine just doing what it's doing because of a chemical process. But I think that I'm on the leaning towards the side that they're alive because they change so much and we even have our genome has a certain percentage of virus DNA in it.
00:53:32
Speaker
That's great. Amazing answer. It's really intriguing, isn't it? Like, life as we know it and life as we know it. I put that in when I wrote a paper
Viruses as Forms of Life
00:53:39
Speaker
on it and I was like, they're kind of like weird little aliens and my professor loved it. Oh, you wrote a paper on it? Would you be able to share that? I wrote a paper on Ebola for undergrad and
00:53:49
Speaker
Yeah, I could try and find it. I don't know if I still have it. It's on my old Mac, like it's on the old Mac. It's like this big still like so. But yeah, if I find it, I'll send it your way, because his commentary on it was like, that's a weird way of looking at it. But I like it. So yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? Cool. Very interesting. Thank you so much, Priscilla. I like how you said you dumbed it down a bit. A lot of it still went over my head.
00:54:13
Speaker
Next one is for Graham. I know Graham spent a lot of time looking at historical cases and it's been everything from like medias to, you know, just balls of light to discs and to yada, yada, so on, so forth. And I know privately we've spoken about this, but I just wanted Graham to talk about his ideas that, oh, his opinion of whether what's known and described as ball lightning could be responsible for a lot of these sightings you're looking at with Foo Fighters and stuff like that. Would you mind talking about that Graham?
00:54:41
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, the ball lightning, I can post something about this a couple of hours ago on Twitter. It's been put forward as an explanation, not just for the Foo Fighters, but everything you can think of chance then. But the jury still out as to what ball lightning is. And it's not, you know, the scientists say that it's not reproducible. You know, the data, it's, it's something that's still quite ephemeral. They can't work out exactly what whether it exists.
00:55:07
Speaker
and if it exists how it works and you certainly can't reproduce it anyway and they can't come up with the same kind of variables all the time so it's a bit like kind of trying to sort of catch fog in your hands you know it's just it's just very very flimsy and as to whether it exists well some people think it is and then some people think it doesn't and some people like me
00:55:29
Speaker
sit in the middle because we don't know one way or another. And I'm afraid I'm not qualified to be able to give a determination as to whether it does or not. I don't simply know enough about it and about what its properties are supposed to be and how it's supposed to form and move, bear in mind how it does. I hear people talking about it. I had somebody message me today privately saying they had a video or a short section of video in a house, either their house or somebody else's house. I can't remember now.
00:56:00
Speaker
So, you know, the trouble is you can assign anybody who sees what people call orbs of light or things moving around, you know, people photograph these things and put them on Twitter and talk about them. You could assign the label ball lightning to that. You could assign Foo Fighters as ball lightning and anything in between.
00:56:21
Speaker
I don't know is the answer. I'm sorry. I'll sit quite firmly on that fence and get splinters up the backside because I simply don't know. I'm sorry. No, this is what I love about you. And same for everyone here, actually, is we're all willing to say, I don't know. And I think most of the problems of the world, we'd be able to at least identify the problem if people were willing to say, I don't know. But there are more qualified people out there who could give you an answer to that. I'm not one of them, unfortunately. Yeah, Dan. No, that was a great answer. Thank you so much.
00:56:49
Speaker
Yeah, you're right, though, but I think even qualified people still don't understand what ball lightning is exactly. And we see this cropping up in so many different countries. Hastal and phenomena, the Colombia thing that we looked into. There's relations everywhere. Longandale, down the road from here, where we are now. And this has been going on for hundreds of years, reported. So it's been looked at for a long time and still no answers. So that's really important and strange. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:16
Speaker
So next question, Dave, is for you. So we've spoken about many subjects and some might be touched on in your book, some might not.
The Ripperston Farm Case Discussion
00:57:25
Speaker
And a lot of them are close to home for me because we speak about cases in Wales and areas in Wales and stuff like that. So I was wondering if you could just let people know about Ripa Farm.
00:57:37
Speaker
Ripiston Farm. Ripiston Farm. There you go. So you correct me. This is one of those days. Ripiston Farm is in Whitechapel. Yeah, it's a different one. Yeah. Oh, Ripiston Farm. That was...
00:57:51
Speaker
That was a family called the Coombs family who were tenant farmers. Basically, they managed the farm for somebody else who owned it. And one of the first experiences they had, this was a husband and wife and five children, I think, very in ages.
00:58:14
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One of the first experiences they had, the mother was driving back through the country lanes up from Broadhaven and there were two kids in the car and they were followed by a football sized
00:58:28
Speaker
glowing object as they were going through the lanes. The son, I think, was the one who first raised the alarm or noticed it and said, Mum, there's something outside the car and it's following us. I don't know what it is. And you started freaking out. And the mother actually stopped the car. And, you know, this ball of light was just zipping all around the car. It didn't actually go into it, but it went down the driveway.
00:58:55
Speaker
because they weren't that far from their house as well either. So they were kind of freaking out and then it disappeared and she put a foot down, got the drive and they all rushed inside the house. Now the woman, Mrs. Coombs, Pauline Coombs, I think her name was, she was friends with Rosa Granville who owned the Haven Fort Hotel.
00:59:16
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which is just on the road from Broadhaven and overlooks a, you know, overlooks at Brides Bay for anyone who's familiar with that part of Wales. And there's an outcrop in the middle of the sea called Stacks Rocks there, which could be seen from Ripperston Farm and the Haven Fort Hotel. One day, you know, Rosa Granville was looking out a window and she saw something.
00:59:41
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flying towards Stacks Rock, she thought it was going to crash into it, didn't know what it was. She waited for the explosion and this thing just disappeared as soon as it hit the rocks. Next thing, she's looking at it through a binoculars and she sees two figures walking down what looked like steps on the rocks and disappear. Now, she immediately, well, she did phone Pauline Coombs at various occasions about things she'd seen over at St. Brides Bay.
01:00:10
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And this will be kind of explained in the future. I've just started reading the Difford Enigma by Randall Pugh as well. So that's kind of refreshing my memory a bit on the whole case. But at Ripiston Farm as well, it was kind of like the Welsh Skinwalker Ranch because there was that amount of paranormal and ufological things happening in that area.
01:00:32
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There was one occasion where the TVs would glow up for no apparent reason. The fuses would go. There'd be static coming through the screen. The antenna would just play up and they replaced their TV set. Christ knows how many times.
01:00:50
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They had engineers out to come and look at it. They couldn't feather them out a problem. I mean, back in the 70s, you had these massive, just wooden boxes with these big CRT screens. You have to get up and change the channel by twisting a knob on the front of the set. Yeah, these were unnerving times. The Coombs, Mrs. Coombs' parents,
01:01:15
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actually experienced things on that farm as well. And they weren't too happy that their daughter was being involved with this. So they were trying to convince her to, you know, go and stay with them. And a couple of other kids actually did go and stay with their grandparents at some time, you know, because it was just all freaking them out so much. It was Ovine location, as we saw, as we've heard of at Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, what else was there?
01:01:43
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Yeah, that's one of the better books. That's one of the early ones that has the stories in, isn't it, Dave? Yeah, it was with Peter Paget before he went completely cuckoo and claimed he worked for GCHQ a few years ago. He actually worked in he was actually living in Warminster and was part of the, you know, the Warminster UFO groups at the time in the late 70s. And he was asked by
01:02:11
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I think it was the Sun newspaper to go over to Broadhaven and check out what all these flying saucer reports were. The World's Triangle was the result of that book. And this is the result of that estimation? Yes, from 74 to 78. The Broadhaven primary school landing was February 78.
01:02:33
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Yes, I think a lot of what I've noticed when I mentioned the Welsh Triangle is people assume it's a case, a single case involving a triangle. It's not, it's an area that sits within the triangle. Yeah, I mean Milford Haven and the Seath and then you've got, you know, some David's Broad Haven and then up towards Haveristwyth as well.
01:02:55
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you know, that whole area, there's a big mining and farming community as well. So, you know, there have been theories that sometimes UFOs are seen around mining areas, depending on the geology of the area. I mean, going back to Ripperspawn Farm as well, there was a figure seen outside the window by, you know, Pauline Coombs one night as they were watching TV with her husband. And this was later,
01:03:25
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or half explained away by the local police because this guy came forward I think in the 90s that said he'd got hold of a load of firefighting equipment or asbestos.
01:03:37
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you know, proof of equipment, which was all silver. And he'd heard about all these flying reports, flying source reports. So he decided to make a little bit, you know, prank a few people. But, you know, it didn't explain what else was going on, you know, whether he was that figure that was seen outside the window. He was, you know, mad. But there were reports of men in black as well, you know, mysterious figures turning up in big silver Rolls Royce's that made no noise as it drove across the gravel.
01:04:08
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Yeah, it's totally strange. And I recommend anyone to get the uninvited. I can't remember who wrote it now. But it's like a semi-fictional. Yeah, semi-fictional books that looks at what was going on at the time, especially on Ripriston farm. Wow. That was yeah, that was written 78 or 79, I think.
01:04:36
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I love those cases where it's not a case, it's a load of different events. I mean you had the US oceanographic research site as well, which was just on the road, from RAF Broady. And they saw lights over RAF Broady as well, and they set up an investigation, didn't really
01:05:02
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I couldn't really explain anything. And that was one of the files I got from the National Archives last time, which I didn't get to. So next time I go back, I'm going to look at that one first. Nice. Yeah, I feel we definitely need a trip back. I feel even since we last went, I kind of went in a bit blind. And now I think if I go back, I can be a lot more specific about what I actually want. It's a learning process, isn't it?
01:05:33
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I have a question for you as well. Dave, that was great. And for all of you, that was a really great example of exactly why the community loves you. Just unexpected answers or wealth of knowledge, and especially just knowing the RAF base names and mounted back on both between you. You take that for granted. Honestly, so many people wouldn't do that. They'd just do the wrong thing and not check. So thank you for all the work you do. But I need disclosure, bro, though.
01:06:01
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So you guys have met disclosure bro on Instagram, but you might not have seen him here So the question I have for both of both finny and his brother is how does it feel to be part of the first human cloning program? I want them to like leave the screen and then switch or oh, no, you've got the tattoo on your neck. Nevermind Oh, this is how we tell the difference put some scarves on that's how the mom told the difference then he's had that since he was a baby actually
01:06:30
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He's just here moderating on his iPad. So shout out. He's always here. Shout out to all the moderators. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, listen, guys, before we finish, let's just go around and say what you've got coming up next on your podcast, whether it be a guest or a case with Dave and Graham.
01:06:49
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I'm going to look that way. Don't mess this up because I have a feeling I'm going to mess it up. So I have the gentleman from Lucius Labs coming on on April 13th and he does a lot of research with
01:07:07
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physics and consciousness. He's a really interesting person. And if you watch his YouTube, it'll definitely make you think and I'm going to have him on. I'm working through his book that he sent me. It's very, there's a lot of physics in it. So if you do read his work, then just be ready for that. But I'm going to have him on. I think it's going to be super cool to talk to somebody that's actually really studying that from a physics standpoint that actually understands physics.
01:07:34
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No, that's amazing. Graham and Dave, what have you got coming up on your next episode?
01:07:42
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We're going to do the Battle of Los Angeles. Nice. I think, yeah, it depends if Graham's moving house or back in the books. Well, yeah, most of my house, this is the neatest part of the house at the moment, the rest of it's in complete turmoil because we're sort of planning to move to Scotland in the near future.
01:08:04
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yeah it's um yeah we've discussed in a way that we do about the Los Angeles and maybe throw something else in that might be you know sort of you know associated with some same kind of area of time um but also you were going to talk about the the shaver mysteries at some stage as well weren't you that's another one you got lined up well you were so enamored with the uh
01:08:37
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We've got plans to tackle Jack Parsons, Tesla, maybe.
01:08:46
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The good thing is about the show is that we both have our bits that we know and sometimes the side we don't know about. So I learned a lot about Maury Island because I wasn't that clued up on it. I'd read bits about it and I knew the connection with Kenneth Arnold.
01:09:08
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Dave just kept coming out with detail after detail after detail, much like he's doing with the Welsh side where he's just talking about there. And it was just like a kind of it was just like wave after wave of information. And I was surfing these waves of kind of incredulity, just going, what, there's more? And then every new bit of information was just like more bunkers than the last bit. I've always got the bit where I should just stop. I was crying at one point.
01:09:37
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One of you guys needs to make a, like a UFO research for dummies episode because not that anybody's a dummy, but you know, like the books guys, like the, like beginner research or something like that. Because, um, even with normal, like research, like a skills, are you taking a class in research? Like there's not necessarily like, like when I was doing research for biology, it was like, there was these, you know, uh, journals that you could go to.
01:10:03
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There's not really that for this in that way. So I think that you guys should put something together, whether it be a cheat sheet or a little mini segment or a whole segment that tells people like if you want to research, these are like your steps, because so many people will read something like
01:10:19
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that article that's flying around not realizing it came from the sun not realizing where the sun got that you know it's how to research in layers because people will do one level of research. On the internet and never looking anything else besides that and we all know with the internet if it like the what you type in will give you what you want.
01:10:39
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Well, exactly. Yeah, but Google is you now because it knows what you want. So it'll give you articles that support what you want to hear, what you've been researching versus what you guys do is look in like you do the first layer it seems like and then you look deeper, deeper, deeper. That's what people need to know how to do and not a lot of people know how to do that. So that's my personal request from you guys that came out of nowhere. Thanks for entertaining it.
01:11:05
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There were some questions on Twitter about this horse happened, the dead sting, and if people had read Skidmore because of the Pentagon or Ross Kultar was in plain sight.
01:11:16
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There's stuff in there that will tell you exactly what that could give you the answer to that question that they asked. Read books rather than Discord or Twitter. It's more entertaining for a start. Books are longer than 240 characters, Dave. I know. Is there pictures? I may smell funny. No, that's a really good point that is, really is.
Upcoming Podcast Episodes and Topics
01:11:39
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Dan, now we can talk about what you've got coming up next with Andy, but I guess so I'll do and your podcast. So with Andy, Andy spoke to Avi Loeb yesterday and that was a fantastic conversation. I haven't edited it yet, but basically we had about two or four sheets of questions and Avi elaborated so much on the initial few that we only really got through about one page. Some interesting new stuff as well.
01:12:06
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Um, then hopefully we'll have an interview with Lou. So we, we really want to kind of aim to make this one our best one yet. So if anyone has questions, send them in, but we'll really be filtering these and kind of going deep on the research that people have done online to see what he has. And that hasn't answered, um, to try and kind of make the best use of that time. Uh, we'll also be doing an AMA, which is like an ask us anything or a live colon. So people can see that then we've got on.
01:12:34
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or I've got rather on the 1st of May, the first episode of Phenomenology comes out. Vinny's in that too. So you'll see us kind of out boots on the ground investigating a lot of things. I don't want to spoil it, but around the same time, we'll also be doing after every episode, we'll be doing a kind of a live because we'll be watching it live with you for the first time. And also just before we're going to do a kind of behind the scenes showing just a lot of stuff that you won't see in the documentary. It was just, you know, as we were traveling, all that kind of stuff.
01:13:04
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and you also get a good idea of what the experience was like for us. And then, aside from that, you may know that I work with Ulof Rockner, the incredible artist. We work together on Graham's book cover for the Foo Fighters cover and a bunch of other things, but we'll be launching a company soon where it's literally for esoteric art. So if you need anything, be it a book cover, be it a depiction of a personal sighting, be it absolutely anything. Basically, if you find it hard to visualize, wait, oh, guys.
01:13:34
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Nice. Just a little bit then you've got coming up. Amazing. Well, for me personally, we're away for the next few days in Scotland. But then I'm back on the 13th here with Mr. Richard Doty. So that's a controversial one, but I'm looking forward to that. Probably good. I've got lots of other guests coming up. My diaries, I need to sort my diary out. Now I've got Dr. David Clark's coming back on with, we're going to be talking about a couple of UK cases from the 50s. Now with some actual pilot,
01:14:01
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testimony interviews that David did with the pilots before they passed away. These interviews have never been heard so we're going to play some of those and David's going to go over the cases. Yeah I've got lots of other things coming up but just subscribe here and follow
01:14:17
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me and everyone here on this panel across all the social medias. All the links are in the description below for everything. So, yeah, guys, thank you so much for an amazing conversation. I really appreciate it. I really do. It's great. Thank you. Thanks. One day we'll all get to do this in the pub together. You include. Yes. Okay. Well, I have no problem. I mean, I will make it happen, guys. Even if it's like family vacation,
01:14:54
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Yeah. It's great meeting you, Dave. Yeah, this is connections. You just assume that everybody knows everybody. I feel like I know him, but this is the first time I met him. That's awesome. Massive shout out to everybody here in the live chat, everybody that watches this on YouTube after the fact, everybody that listens to this across all the different podcast platforms through the anomalous podcast network. Big shout out to Andy McGrillan. We love you, bro. And yeah,
01:15:13
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Hey, I'm sure the family wants to go to England.
01:15:23
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For now, guys, we will all see you later. Take care. Goodbye.