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Episode 25: Persistence: From Force to Flow
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What happens when persistence stops being about force… and starts becoming about trust?
In this episode of Don’t Trip On Your Cape, we sit down with Donna Gonzalez for a deeply honest and emotionally grounded conversation about healing, surrender, spirituality, and the ongoing process of becoming.
Donna shares stories from her childhood, the experiences that shaped her relationship with control, safety, love, and self-worth, and how years of reflection and inner work slowly helped her peel back the layers of who she thought she needed to be.
Together, we explore:
How childhood experiences quietly shape our adult patterns
The relationship between trauma, control, and emotional survival
Meditation, spirituality, and reconnecting to inner knowing
The role Landmark education played in helping Donna rebuild her life
How mushrooms helped shift her relationship with herself and the world around her
The difference between forcing outcomes and trusting the unfolding
Emotional regulation, integration, and sitting with discomfort instead of avoiding it
Why healing is a daily practice, not a final destination
How surrender can actually become a form of persistence
Donna also shares the powerful story of nearly losing her life while pregnant with her daughter Sophia, and the profound spiritual experience that forever changed the way she understood trust, intuition, and purpose.
This episode is a reminder that healing doesn’t always look dramatic.
Sometimes it looks like slowing down.
Listening more deeply.
Treating yourself with gentleness.
And learning to trust that life can unfold without forcing every step.
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Transcript
Introduction: Podcast and Guests
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Welcome on to Don't Trip On Your Cape, the podcast where Leslie, the founder Align Living and Leadership, and her amazing co-host Alex from Much Love dive into the very things that weigh us down, only to reveal those burdens are actually our greatest strengths.
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Together, they help listeners recognize that what feels heavy is often just your own unique superpower in disguise. So grab your cape, and let's explore how to wear without stumbling. Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Don't Trip On Your Cape. I'm Alex.
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And I'm Leslie. Hello. And today we yes today, we have the honor of interviewing Donna Gonzalez. She's a woman who doesn't just talk about transformation, she lives inside it.
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Her journey is not one clean chapter. It's layered, unfolding, and deeply human.
Donna's Philosophy: Life as an Invitation
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A process of peeling back identities, releasing control, and learning how to meet herself with compassion instead of judgment.
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At the heart of her story is a powerful shift, moving from force to flow. from fear to curiosity and from trying to control life to learning how to trust it. Donna brings a perspective that invites you to look beyond what's visible into energy, frequency, and the deeper connection to who you are beneath the
Childhood Reflections and Spiritual Beginnings
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noise. Her message is simple and confronting at the same time. Life is messy and that's not a problem.
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It's an invitation. An invitation to ask better questions, to release what no longer fits, and to step into a version of yourself that feels more aligned, more alive, and more honest.
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This conversation isn't about having it all figured out. It's about being willing to look and choosing to begin anyway. So welcome Donna. Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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We're so excited to have you. So we're going to start at the beginning today. What's your childhood? When you think about it, what did it feel like from the inside and how would people have described it potentially from the outside?
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My childhood. Well, you know, um
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i think, I think I've had a great opportunity in retrospect, looking at everything. I mean, there are things that took place along the way that created, um if we want to call, you know, traumas, little T's, big T's, however we you know want to categorize it. um And that can be a little bit different for everyone because it's how our body responds to something that happened.
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um So I'm going to say that for the most part, I i was always happy and um always thought that things that I was in tune to um everybody else was in tune to, but as I got older, I found out that that was different and, and also recognizing my family and, you know, their openness and connection to the metaphysical world and spirituality.
Family Dynamics and the Role of Control
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um Also, you know, again, I thought, you know, this is normal and and's not that it's not normal. It's just not what the mainstream was.
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Absolutely. Where did you first learn to rely on control to feel safe or certain?
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I think that started honestly when i was a child.
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um I did do have or two older siblings that were within my family. My eldest, my brother was the eldest and He's no longer you know in this physical realm, but um then you know he was nine years older than me. Then my sister is eighty eight years older than I am.
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And so they were pretty much out of the house by the time I was about nine and 10, actually little earlier. So um you know my brother went into the service, my sister got married at 18 and it was out and done. And I was kind of like... a an only child growing up. And, you know, my mom was in a stage of life where she was, now that I recognize it, because it's one of the things that i help people with is she was in, you know, her perimenopause, menopause, you know, time. And so she was dealing with her own, you know, battles. And um my father was out working. So I spent a lot of time alone.
Trauma and Reconciliation with Father
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um But I really, really got interested in
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transcendental meditation through my grandmother, who is ordained minister for the unitary faith and unity. And she was also the first one that I started speaking with about, you know, reincarnation, transmigrations of the soul. So this is what I would dive into. Gosh, even when I was eight years old, because I would walk into my grandmother's office at the church and she would be like you know in this like quiet position with her hands out you for the longest time and and i'd be like trying to whisper what are you doing are you sleeping and she would just like be like know and then after would ask her what is meditating and so we started talking about it and Then she asked me if I wanted to join her and I said yes. And so I would sit in her office while she meditated and I would sit and, you know, meditate. And, um, and when I say meditate at first, it was like, I had no idea what I was doing other than just sitting quietly. But I remember asking her, what do you do when you meditate? She said, was, I think of nothing and allow everything. And I was like, what does that mean?
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but But then she started showing me and teaching me certain things. I started becoming more involved with things like that. um And so, yeah, my safeness came from that peace and quiet. no She would always tell me that um God isn't only about religion. It's just that God is everywhere.
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And I would ask, well, is, you know, i said, God is a woman or a man? she said, God is neither. And and i was like, well, then why does the Bible say? And she's like, well,
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Bible's written by man. I was like, and we would get into these big, deep conversations, which, you know, I, I think back on every so often, you know, and it's, it was really beautiful. The things, the messages that she had shared with me then that I can still remember, and now I can apply.
Impact of Childhood on Adult Relationships
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So back in my childhood, I started finding comfort in meditation, comfort in knowing that there was ah God beyond religion.
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um you know, that is the one in all of us. And, you know, and, um you know, and my mother provided a nice, good, safe place for me too. That's for sure. She did.
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um and and I think from childhood is when I started to wrap up the question. Yeah. I love that. It sounds like you had a really good foundation of safety and, you know, being able to understand the bigger things for the world. But you also mentioned you had different traumas, little T, big T traumas. When that kind of stuff happened, were you someone who hid from it or did you face it head on? What did that look like for you?
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You know, it's been a work in progress because i think we have to extrapolate and peel back the layers. Um,
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you know, there are some things that because there's shame somehow attached to whatever happened, you stay quiet until you can't stay quiet anymore.
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And that either, i believe comes out in, ah that inner child, that acting out, or you actually have that safe place that you can say, Hey, this happened to me, you know? um so
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I think if i if I really go back and and I'm being genuine about this for everyone listening, um one of my very first traumas started when I was actually hit with a belt by my father, like really badly because I had picked up sucre. They were like these little throat lozenges. I'm dating myself now. Yeah.
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And I remember my mom had just cleaned the wood floors all day long on her hands and knees in our little apartment in New York. And, you know, and they looked so clean and so beautiful.
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And when we went to
Breaking Free: Embracing Spirituality and Growth
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the door to ah let a guest in, which happened to be one of my mom's cousins, which was one of my favorite cousins. And, you know, we were walking through that hallway to the little gathering. When I say walking through, it was not by no far anything big. It was very tiny, a few steps and you were are in each room.
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So, and family was there because we used to congregate, you know, i mean, that was our safe place. So we played music, you know, we laughed, we joked, we shared food.
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And the sucre fell out of my mouth and it hit the floor and it made this little clanky sound. And I quickly picked it up, put it back in my mouth cause i thought it's clean. My father's like, what but what was that? And I was like, what was what? And he goes, what fell on the floor? And i got kind of scared. So I told him that the paper did.
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And so he said, I'm going to ask you again, what fell on the floor? And I was like, the paper. Now, mind you, I'm only about three years old. And I'm like, the paper, because i'm I'm sensing in his voice this dismay, you know, and I'm thinking, if I just don't say what I did, he won't be disappointed with me, not realizing that the lying was something else that I was going to learn about real soon. And, um,
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And so then he asked me again in front of everyone, I'm going to give you one last chance, what, you know, what fell. And I told him and he just took off that belt and he started beating the living crap out of me. And then my grandmother jumped in and was like, pulled me away. She's like, you can't do this. You can't do this.
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And i remember being just like, couldn't catch my breath. And, um she pulled me off to another room. And I just, the first thing that came out of my mouth was i hate that man.
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And her her, she grabbed me, she hugged me, and she just said, she goes, I need you to understand something. I know that you've been hurt. She goes, but she goes, um God doesn't want you to hate.
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Try and find the love. Because it's all about love. Now, you know, time passed, and my dad never hit me again after that, ever.
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um But I believe that definitely caused a a stop sign to how my relationship could ever really be with him. um And
Spiritual Practices in Daily Life
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I made certain contracts with myself then.
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As little as I was, I will never allow someone to put hands on me like that again. i will do whatever I can to make sure that they don't. I mean, and these are things I found out later in life when I went back to think, what was I thinking at the moment? How did I feel? And how did that play through my life?
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You know, you know, fast forward to, you know, black belt and martial arts and things like that. So, um so yeah, that played out for a while until I could get real with myself on it.
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And, you know, of course, my mother had also intervened during that time, but she was busy quieting my father while my grandmother was quieting me. And, um and he would, he would threaten with the belt, which also angered me.
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Because i remember one time telling my grandmother, he's such a coward. I'm so little and he's so big. He's such a coward. And i was being hushed like, shh So these are like insights that my soul knew ahead of time. Now, granted, my father and I had a very loving relationship and he's recently passed. And we had a chance to work through this for a while because I've been working through it myself.
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And even though we had a complicated and strained relationship many times, um it's not to be mistaken from a lack of love. And I also recognize not that what he did was right, but I also understood later in life that he himself had his own journey and his own things that he dealt with and, you know, things that he was taught certain things a certain way. And so again, even though I don't agree with it, um I understand where it came from.
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And, um, and he and I had an opportunity to clean that stuff up. So it was really nice to be able to do that. And i created fresh boundaries. That's such a, such a powerful part of.
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your origin story that you're sharing with us. And I think especially for the topic of persistence and then really kind of what we're talking about this month and thinking about how impactful those very early experiences are.
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And we don't even realize the filters that we're starting to put on the future part of our lives and how we're going to really walk into those assessments we make when we're three and four and five. And, you know, I think it's an interesting conundrum of human development that the things that happen between zero and seven are actually the most foundational parts of how we live in our adulthood and how we don't even really consciously understand that a three-year-old can only assess the world through the lens of three years of lived experience. And yet we recycle those interpretations well into our adulthood until we do what you have done really powerfully, which is stop and reflect and then rewrite that story.
Balancing Control and Surrender
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from this new lens of lived experience and understanding and clarity. And you don't have to agree agree with something to understand it, but I think the understanding piece helps us be so much more empowered and walk in alignment and live our purpose with clarity and all of those things. So i I really just want to say thank you for sharing that because I know that you are certainly not alone in those kinds of experiences. And I think especially for our generation, you know, whipping a kid, you know,
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whether it's with a belt or a hand or a you know a switch or you know regionally, wherever you happen to be. Whatever's in
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I think it's, it especially when I'm thinking about it with persistence and that idea of how am I going to move through life and stay on track or get back on track. And that kind of brings us to the disruption phase of things, right? Like when the old way stopped working, because you talked a little bit about, you know, you had judgment of your father and there was this authority dynamic of he's big and I'm little and he's violent and I'm learning and all of these different dichotomies.
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um You've certainly described your experiences layered, right? Like I think you said peeling back the layers kind of like an onion. What was one of the moments where a layer came off and you couldn't ignore it anymore?
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um
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There have been several of them, but then again, I've i've been at this for a little while.
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So, you know, wow. Um,
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I remember explain asking my mother and again, still being young. I said, how can someone say they love you if they hurt you?
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So powerful. And she did not, I know she did not know how to answer me. And she goes, you know, Donna, there are just some things that you don't understand. and you probably won't understand for a while.
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She goes, but most people don't plan on hurting you.
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And I was just like, okay, that at the time, you know, did not um really fill my basket, but it was what I got. So I was like, okay, whatever, you know. But that, I mean, that was one of the things. And and when I say that,
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I don't
Parenting and Personal Growth
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think I was conscious of that, that peeling at that time, but in retrospect, but to make a conscientious decision to say enough is enough.
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Um,
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one of them was when my sister was going through a divorce, her divorce. And, um, I was really angry. before then for, for myself and for her, because her husband, um, tried to take advantage of me sexually.
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And I was spending a summer with them. And I remember I, how am I going to tell my sister who's bedridden in her first pregnancy that this just happened? And, you know, was it my fault? Because he said,
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We were watching a movie and he's like, oh can I put the pillow on your lap so that I can just rest and watch TV with you? And I'm just thinking lovingly like my brother would do. He would never try anything else other than just like lay down next to me, put his head on me or, you know, we're very affectionate family, but with boundaries. and then he tried to start, you know, doing what he was doing. And I was just like, what are you doing? it's like, no, you need to stop. And I was able to do, you know, say that, thank goodness. But the very next day I was like packing my bags. I'm like, I told my sister, I'm like, I need to go back home.
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She's like, well, why? And I'm like, I just need to go back home. She never asked me anything about why. and i don't know if she had a feeling or not, but then again, here she was pretty sick and you know and pregnant. So I don't think she was maybe even thinking of that. I have no idea. um And, and and so I held onto that for a while. And then when she had her second child, which was a couple years later, okay.
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Um, then she was in the hospital when he actually went up to her him basically told her he wanted a divorce right after she delivered. And when my parents told me this, I was, that anger came out. I'm like that, you know, that piece of shit. And I'm like, you know, i'm like, I should have, I should have, you know,
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told what happened in the beginning and saved everybody the misery. And, um, and so, and then that was it though. Nothing else was really done about it. like well, is that all he did? And I was like, well, like well, yeah, that's all he did, but that's still too much, you know? And it's like, we wish you would have told us earlier. And I was just like, yeah, i I don't know why I didn't. There was something that I guess I didn't feel that I could trust or maybe that I would be blamed somehow. Um, and I think many people in this situation have that feeling of blame and shame and, you know, and the last thing you want to do in the eyes of the people that you're trying to like have grace with is feel those emotions. And so that was one of the times. Um, and, uh, and then it took me a while. I mean, a lot of the stuff festered and I just, I stopped kind of working at it when I became a young adult and just got
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um a little reckless, you know, but I covered it up. So I thought pretty good on the outside, but it was, I was a hot mess for a little while, you know, a beautiful mess, but a hot, hot little mess. I love that. It actually brings us directly into our next question, which was, when did control start to break down for you? Which is often when we hit our hot mess phase. Yeah, definitely where I was headed to next as well. Definitely on a good wavelength here. um
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I was having just one crazy relationship after another. i mean, my relationships um were, how should I say, i wasn't one that jumped around a lot.
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You know, I was like determined to make it work. You know, it's like, I'm going to make you love me and stay loving me. And that's a, that's a father wound right there. Um, because I felt I i was always having to chase to be acknowledged.
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And when he was unhappy, he withheld love. And so these are the same exact relationships that I was in. And so I was bound to win my father over by winning these men over.
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And um and again, that's a retrospective thing after digging down deep. But um like I said, through my 20s, I, you know, I was good high school student and everything, got some good scholarships for my first degree and went away to, you know, did my first two and a half years at a community, went away to university, totally bombed that. Like, oh, my gosh, I got an A plus and bombing it.
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And, um, and then I, you know, the Dean asked me to politely leave and go back home. And so I did. And then I, again, was, uh, you know, I was in the, uh, service industry and, um, working and, um, just living that Miami lifestyle.
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And that wasn't helping any, but it was, I mean, it was part of my journey. So, um, Then I got serious and I went back to school to to clean up the mess that I had made up in Tallahassee.
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And um I got my nursing degree and became a nurse. And things got a little bit better for a little while. And then they got bad again because I was just in the same repetitive cycles. And I just couldn't understand why. It's like, but, but, but. And then I started recognizing, you know, well, I went back to school, got my nurse anesthesiology degree, you know, became a nurse anesthetist, you know.
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And during that time, I was engaged and person I was engaged to wasn't too honest. And so um i was just, again, same cycle, same cycles.
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And once I started practicing, after this whole thing, and we're talking 10 years have passed, um I recognized that I had really fallen away from faith, just faith in general.
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That included religion. That included spirituality. That included anything metaphysical. i mean, was definitely ignoring all the signs. That spirit world was definitely like spoon-feeding me.
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But um I was like regurgitating anything that was like, you know, coming at me for my better good. And it was a ah a path of a path of self-destruction, slow self-destruction, i think, and not really liking myself. And, you know, everyone, oh, but you're so beautiful. You're so this, you're so that, and you're so talented. And, yeah, I did all these things, but I thought to myself, these things come naturally to me.
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And so I was having a hard time seeing the the blessings in all of this. And so I met this ah man and we started dating and he happened to be a Catholic, which I was born into a Catholic family.
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And so I thought maybe this is what I need. So I went and I got my confirmation, in my communion, which I don't regret. um It was a part of my process. But once I did that, I realized that you know the person I was with was a ah huge hypocrite.
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um you know The first to like say, oh, Donna, don't speak like that of the church or this or that, but let that person was like doing one thing or the other. And I'm like, this is such bullshit. And um I started realizing that, yeah, no, I do believe that there is a God, but I don't believe that it's as small as we make it to be.
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And then i went on another journey. um And I um started doing a lot of, I kind of just locked myself in. I went into isolation. um And I began reading books. And the books that I picked up, because I had already started, i was already on track with Dr. Brian Weiss from years back in my twenty s um when I had first experienced a ah reg regressional therapy that was not by accident, but by accident.
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um And so i started going back along that path of like spirit and meditation. And then I would go through the bookstore and I would do this thing I've always done. It's like, I hold my hands together and I just bring in like a lot of energy and And I just closed my eyes and I do this and I was walking down the aisles and wherever my hands felt heat, I would just pick that book without looking at it, knowing that that's what I needed to read because that's what I would ask spirit for.
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i'm like, just guide me through whatever I have that any way you can guide me describ me. When I would feel that, that intense heat in my hands, I would just grab it, pull it. I would go check out.
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And they, you know, and granted, I would place myself in the self-help section or religion section or whatever but whatever books I grabbed. It was on point.
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It was on point. It was on point. And so that's when Dr. Wayne Dyer came into my life. You know, Eckhart Tolle came into my life. um There were so many, so many leaders of all of this that I started reading. You know, I started going to yeah speak ah reading, you know, Rumi and Carl Jung and it just started resonating and I started back to, you know, grounding and, so you know, and meditating.
00:27:26
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And again, still I had wounds that I wasn't ready to face yet. I felt like some stuff was stirring. And so again, I found myself when I got back out, starting to get back out there, the old habits again. And and I wouldn't say I had habits, but, um, the people, the surrounding. and so um i I had an opportunity to advance with my career and I took it in the hospital um on a track of administration. I met someone who had that same vibration and she and I got along super well and started getting really, really close. And, um and then I was like, there's something about you. i'm like,
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I can't put my finger on it. And I'm like, but I want it. And she started laughing. She said, yeah, that's called landmark education. So I went and I took this course and my, my parents whom I was temporarily but living with again, while I finished a residency.
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And then, um, I had gone, you know, once I'd finished that residency with my anesthesiology, I went back, I had my own place down everything, but for emergency purposes, I said, listen, I'm going to be doing a course and this is where I'm at. This is what I'm doing. But I know that you call me daily and I'm not go to be answering my phone. So, you know, just want you to know I'm okay.
00:28:50
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They thought, of course, I joined some cult or something. freaked out. But, ah but no, so I took this course. and It was so profound because it helped me understand it. It took me back to sitting with uncomfortableness is like, when was the first time that you recognize you felt a certain feeling go back as far as you can? And I remember going back and going back and, and then it's like, okay, now step outside of that situation. And is that everything that actually happened?
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Or is that just what you saw at the moment? And because of that, you created a story for your life that has fulfilled itself up to this point, you know, because when you recognize that point, you can go back and change your moment and how, what your perception was and change your present.
00:29:46
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oh and yeah I love they this is like fucking mind-blowing and love that you're talking about landmarks on it. This is not something that we learned about each other in your, in your pre-interview call. And i also participated in some landmark education and it truly was a game changer in figuring out how to identify those disruptions that happened in our origin phase of life and truly so many great tools to create the rebuild, right? that's That's the learning how to be with what was, but also knowing that you hold the pen of the story you're living. And while we don't have a time machine to go back, we do have the power to change the trajectory moving forward, right? That's really what the the rebuild phase is after the disruption. So can you talk a little bit about the balance between
00:30:41
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control and surrender? Cause you obviously have big power. I can feel that even every time I am with you, but where did you have to learn to stay committed without grouping so tightly?
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Well, ah so continuing this beautiful little conversation that we're having when I finished landmark, it was a true, when I, and I shouldn't say finished, cause there's so many different courses you can take within, but when I got through that first, that that opener, and I did take a few other courses afterwards, um it really humbled me.
00:31:21
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You know, and i was able to, and one of the things it taught me, okay two of the things it taught me for sure, being accountable for myself. I was always blaming everything around me and my situation and my upbringing and my father hit me when I was three years old bullshit. and like all this stuff for choices I'd made.
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And instead of just saying and being accountable, yes, these are choices I have made. End of story. Okay. Not putting the blame on anyone's and being accountable for my life.
00:32:04
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And then learning how to not only pick up the pieces, but to rebuild and build. and come up. That's really huge. and And, and, you know, cleaning it up, cleaning up my own mess and not just leaving it out there for everyone else to slip upon, you know, but cleaning up my mess and recognizing, okay, so it wasn't as great as it could have been. and that's okay. There's not, it's not right. It's not wrong. It just is.
00:32:32
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And so that's when i was starting to gain, I guess I, my, my power back in the sense of recognizing I could let go. And I didn't. And it was the beginning of not having to please everybody, the masses, you know, and to start taking care of me. um And it was through that constant practice because.
00:32:57
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We can't do, it's like diets, these fad diets, you know, oh, I'm going to do a low carb diet. I'm going to do a keto diet. I'm going to do, well, I'm going to do a spiritual diet. It it doesn't work that way. These are practices. These are things that you have to do every day because as you do them every day and you you do a little unfolding of that layer, you recognize it has opened you up to a plethora of other layers that also need unfolding. which is really beautiful. You can look at it either way you want. You can look at it like, crap, look at all this shit. Or you can look at it like, oh, my gosh, how exciting, all these beautiful layers to uncover about myself and the world around me. you know And that's how I choose to look at it because it's my choice. And like from Landmark, choose chocolate or vanilla.
00:33:45
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Just choose. And people are like, I choose this because of that. It's like, no, just choose. And I chose swirl. And they were like, what? And I was like, yeah, because I can. and it was like, okay, yeah. It's like, you know, why just choose one of the best of the world? I want the but best of both worlds. Why not? That's okay. It's a human experience. That's what I'm here for.
00:34:08
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So that's, that was the beginning of when things started the surrender, but it was still harder. And it wasn't until I started microdosing that, um,
00:34:21
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with the soul side and that I honestly, something shifted just something so beautifully, so eloquently, so intuitively shifted.
00:34:38
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And that was my grace with the connection to everything that I've been making all these little tiny connections, these little tiny connections.
00:34:49
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That was the piece. that brought it all together. I love that. Of course, you have my favorite subject and I love your shirt, by the way, ah mushrooms on today. I wore it for you, baby. I feel so loved. I should have worn mine. were they thinking? But yeah, i love that, especially about microdosing because microdosing is a practice that you bring into your life and it it really brings you back to yourself. And art our ah theme this month is about persistence. And the way that we've been framing it is not as hustle, but as devotion.
00:35:25
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And one of the things I think that persistence and mushrooms have in common is they they bring you back to yourself and they help you with that devotion. So what does that look like along with microdosing in your life? What does that persistence look like today?
00:35:40
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um Gosh, I have to tell you, emotional regulation for sure.
00:35:46
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ah i mean, the ability to because of my experiences already with it and the work that I've done with it And I've, I've gone deeper than just micro dosing. I'm, you know, I've, I've been working with people that you and i both collectively know that both of you collectively are aware of and everything, but um it's, it's, you know, it's not one of these overnight sensation things like everything. It's a practice. It's a little bit at a time. It's in preparation because even before I even started micro dosing, I started preparing and and recognizing and learning about my intention. Why do I want to do this? You know, I mean, obviously it's, I'm a, because of things that had happened in the past, and even though I had, was already relinquishing it, I'm still a control freak with myself.
00:36:33
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Right. It's like, you know, I can be totally copacetic and cool. And yeah, that's so wonderful. and But it's like, oh, this control of like, I have to have it for myself. I had to lose myself
00:36:46
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to be able to find and then see myself. So with the the practice of a little bit every day and then having an intention, how am I going honor this?
00:36:58
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How am I going to honor this temple? Because I started looking at my body also differently. And and when i when I say differently, not like in the mirror, like, oh, this little love handle here doesn't bother me anymore. No, it's it's not about that. It's about this beautiful vehicle that I have to have this incredible earthly experience.
00:37:18
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because I know that there's, there are other realms, dimensions of existence. I mean, I, I have grown up understanding and being born into sensitivity with spirit world.
00:37:31
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You know, i see, hear, smell, you know, i mean, and feel it's like, it's like nobody's business. And so how do i mix that in with my life? I mean, how, I mean, it has purpose. So how do i bring it into an existence with an honor it, you know, with practicing it every day? And, you know, when people ask me today, know, I meditate easily an hour, hour and a half in the morning, hour, hour and a half in the evening. I've gone two hours, three hours meditating. They're like, Oh my God, I can't even sit for five minutes. I'm like, well, it didn't happen overnight. You it's everyday practice, everyday practice. And so, um, you know,
00:38:10
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I had to ah start with intention, but I didn't recognize that it was intention at the time. I was thinking, and in words can play the same meaning, but not really.
00:38:21
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You know, it's like, what's my purpose in doing this? You know, purpose and intention to me, I now recognize as different, but they're very closely related, like a Venn diagram, you know?
00:38:35
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And so it started that way. And then when I started feeling just this sense of awe and just looking at things, especially, you know, plants and the nature and this feeling is safe. I've always had feeling a feeling safe with water, you know, for sure. i have um primarily the ocean.
00:38:59
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um But but um this was different. This was profound. And um I just stayed to the practice because I was, things were changing and shifting for me.
00:39:16
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And so I couldn't ignore it. So that's, I think that's kind of how it started. And to this day now, like I said, emotional regulation, looking at things and being like, it's okay. This is happening for a reason. There's something in this experience that I'm supposed to be getting from.
00:39:36
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So I look at it as a ah thank you. And I'm not saying that these situations are all easy pie, laughing, joking. Sometimes they're very difficult situations. And I now recognize the ego wanting to step in and be like, no, I want it. I want it. And and you let that, that like, oh, it makes me so angry or, or, oh, I cannot believe this. And it's like, okay, well, now that the little me inside has made itself known, i need to address that.
00:40:06
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So that's one little compartment of something that I need to get back to. Cause I mean, I might be with patients, you know, and I can't just sit down all sudden tell a patient, I'm sorry. My inner child is having a tantrum right now. Can you excuse me for a moment while I go take care of this? No, that's not going to work.
00:40:24
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But I make a conscious effort to be like, okay, remember this moment. What did I feel? It's there. continue with doing what I need to be doing and asking spirit to guide me through this moment.
00:40:36
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It does. It happens. It flows. I do what I have to do, you know, and, um, and then afterwards I come back to that and I sit with it and it's, and that's what I call sitting with the uncomfortable moments before I used to be like, not going there. What am I going to do instead? Let me have a glass of wine. Let me indulge in that glass of wine. Let me go party. Let me go rave. Let me go do something other than sit with this uncomfortableness.
00:41:07
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And now when I feel a discomfort, the first thing I ask myself is I say, thank you for letting it be known to me. Okay. Cause I, it is a blessing.
00:41:18
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Thank you. Okay. Where's this, where's this, where am I feeling this? My body. And sometimes I feel it outside of my body and that's okay too, you know? and it's like, okay.
00:41:29
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And it's like, all right, then it's like, and I talk to myself. I'm like, them like let's talk about this. I'm here for you. Let's talk about this. Let's, you know, show me. I'll close my eyes. I'm like, show me, you know? And and I truly have that relationship with myself.
00:41:44
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You know, back in the day, i probably would have been scared to tell somebody that because I'd be like, oh my gosh, he's having a psychotic breakdown, you know? But, um, but no, um I really do love and honor myself and talk to myself and, you know, and I, and I treat myself with such gentleness and grace, you know, not because I'm weak, but because, you know, I'm special.
00:42:06
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You're deserving. Yes. And deserving, you know, and I've chosen to come into this life experience, you know, and and experience all these things for a purpose. It just doesn't happen because we had nothing better to do out there. No, um we have a purpose. And it's, you know, instead of constantly saying, what's my purpose? What's my purpose? My purpose is to honor myself, to allow my spirit to have this experience so that I can better serve my spirit, myself, those around me and elevate us.
00:42:50
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Okay. That's my purpose. How it happens. We get so caught up in how am I going to do this? And I've realized, and that's more recently. doesn't matter. That's the small stuff. You're taking your vision off the big stuff.
00:43:06
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just b Just be, just be. And you will, you will find the path. The path is always going to be there. And it's not just one path. There's so many different paths that you can be.
00:43:19
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ah love So, you know, those are the things we, I think we get caught up too much in. So, so yeah. um You know, now it's really beautiful because um I'm living life differently, more being happy for being deserving as opposed to guilty.
00:43:43
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Cause you're told, oh why you this, or you're selfish that. And it's like, no, I'm just self-aware. And I tell people, look, I'm not, so you know, people have a way of judging you because the way you dress or what you like in life or this or that. And I'm like, I'm having a human experience.
00:44:00
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And I'm like, you know, and I tell myself, for instance, the morning, my business partner knows this. I wake in the morning, I take a shower and my and my husband, he he laughs with me in in good loving way.
00:44:11
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Because after I do that and I lotion up and I so i layer on different fragrances and I'm like, Yes, I am smelling good as fuck today again. i love it, you know, because I love it and my spirit loves it. So I smell beautiful for myself and those around me, if you enjoy it, you know, and I dress up with great clothes, you know, when I go to work because i love clothes.
00:44:39
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I love fashion. But just because I might be wearing a suit one day doesn't mean I'm not going to come in bohemian the next day. You know, it's it's whatever spirit feels that day.
00:44:51
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And I'm good for it. And I just tell people it's a human experience. You know, it has nothing to do with trying to label myself. And I tell people I have all these wonderful, beautiful things are just beautiful things, but they don't define me.
00:45:06
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I enjoy playing with them. They just don't de define me. it's hard to define the indefinable. You embody that so far. I love that. You definitely shared how surrender becomes a way of maintaining persistence. And also sometimes it becomes a bit of an excuse to disengage, right? When when that feels like you you said earlier, I knew I had things to work on, but I wasn't quite ready to work on them yet. And I just think that's so...
00:45:36
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inspiring to hear from someone who I know is out there fucking rocking it in so many different ways that we are so dynamic in our human experience. And I think sometimes we can get really weighed down and we can feel like it's we're we're stopped because we don't feel like we're clear on how on the how piece. Right. And into your point earlier.
00:46:02
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the how, not knowing the how piece can sometimes become the evidence and the validation and the excuse we use to not staying on track or not embodying the fact that one day I'm in a suit and one day I'm bohemian and I fucking love the way I smell. And if you don't like it, that's okay. That's a you problem, not a me problem. And all these different things that you have been able to really integrate in order to be persistent, to pursue your purpose with intention. I just, I love all of that. So let's shift gears a little bit and talk about the integration piece and how you really live the persistence. Now, how do you know the difference between aligned persistence and forcing something that isn't meant for you?
00:46:46
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For me, um it's like a complete punch to the solar plexus right away. Um, it's ringing in the ears. It's like really annoying, high pitch ringing, like, listen, you know, now one could think, okay. And, and I, it's this important cause I used to tell myself, gosh, and is my blood pressure okay? Cause that's my, my science mind, my medical side. What's my blood pressure doing? I'm like, oh my gosh, it's like, you know, I wonder what my estrogen levels are and like, all and then it's just like, everything's fine. It's like, but it's not like, okay, chill out Donna. Okay. what is universe trying to tell me here?
00:47:25
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You know? And so for me, the persistence is, i don't, it's almost like being behavioral, like an award reward system. Okay. Because I live the proof of, you know, when you surrender and you let something happen, you know, all the beauty that can come from it. It's um what I can tell you is every time I surrender, the way I thought it was going to go is definitely not the way it goes.
00:47:57
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And you've got to be okay with that, you know? um and you don't have to like it, but you got to be okay with it. You know, that's, that's for certain. um And then that's the persistence. And and then the the continuous meditations. And sometimes I don't get my hour and a half in, and that little child inside of me is like, ah, you know, but I, I do at least get a little 10 minute gratitude in there at least. And,
00:48:20
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And that brings me such peace that, you know, that I'm like, I'm okay then, you know, without having that, you know, self time, you know, that self love of those extra long meditative sessions that I have with myself. um And then the integration is the work, the quiet time.
00:48:40
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For instance, um i I had, I went on a three gram journey beginning of April. A lot of things came to me. Um, a lot about, um, a lot, it was like about five hours of journey for me, five, six hours. I was deep. I stayed deep in it.
00:48:59
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Didn't get up, didn't go pee, nothing. I just stayed with it because my intention going in was not something specific, but it, it was, I'll, I'll share with you what it was. I just said, you know, I, I, um, my intention was to help me continue to see, you know, what it is that I need to be aligning myself with right now so that I stay in alignment with future self.
00:49:32
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Okay. Because to ask, how am I going to get there? How i get that's ridiculous for me in my eyes. I'm not saying I'm not trying to be insulting saying if somebody's saying that or thinking that it's ridiculous, not at all because we all do it. I just mean that you've got to trust you know, in what your intention is and with the medicine and everything, when there's no trust, there's no alignment, things aren't going to click, you know? And I always, even before used to say, you know, some people, they they say the same prayer every night. I'm not saying that's right or wrong but for me. And my belief is universe knows what your intention is out there.
00:50:16
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If I say it out there once with intention, my full heart, my full intention for me, i don't have to repeat it again. That intention is already known. It is out there. It is working for me to keep asking for the same thing is not trusting that it's out there and already working.
00:50:39
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So my intention was to, you know, how do I continue? know Where do I need to continue alignment for the present to continue alignment for the future? you know, let me hear, see, feel, smell, touch. Let me use all of my senses that I'm aware of and those that I'm not aware of for this experience.
00:50:58
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And um it was it was beautiful. It was wonderful. It was incredible. um It was also took me back to different lifetimes to say, remember this, we're not going to sit with this because you already know this, but that's been, and the reason being that whole thing was in order to understand where your future alignment is, you need to remember why you came here in the first place.
00:51:30
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And so this journey was about remembering. And so I took all of that information and I sat with it and, um, and I just loved on it because I was so grateful, you know,
00:51:47
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And i have been, when I say in isolation, it doesn't mean that I've cut myself out from the world. I mean, I have patients, I have a practice, I have a family, i have a husband, I have pets, but it's not, I'm being very wise with my time, my my quiet time.
00:52:06
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You know, I'm reconnecting to the journey.
00:52:12
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and i And I'm going through it every day almost. That's the journey. so Because in integration, you can tend to forget pieces of your journey if you don't journal, if you don't stay connected somehow.
00:52:24
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And so I think about it and I keep thinking and myself, okay, I'm not sure where this piece fits right now. I feel that it fits, but I'm not sure where. I'm going to let it sit there for a little bit because it will present itself when I'm ready.
00:52:38
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And then... and so then you know and that's how been doing it. this little integration piece for me is more so ah you know solitude so that I can honor what was presented to me and I can start recognizing the signs around me that are leading me based on what was presented to me.
00:53:05
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And um so there's not like, you know, like I don't really do a lot of drinking these days anymore, but I will enjoy a martini with my husband every now and then wine. But even that I have not done because we can tend to forget when we start blurring our mind with like some like depressants, for instance. um So I'm staying very true to everything that I'm feeling, things that I'm going through.
00:53:31
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um and allowing them to unfold without trying to control it. I love that. I love so much about what you said about being here now and having the journey help you set your intention today for, because the universe can only conspire with you one day at a time and leave leave the path one day at a time. And I feel like that's such a big part of life that mushrooms can teach you about is the surrender and the connection to the universe and it gives you all of these things but it's just such a connection back to yourself so when you think about like all of that just all of these pieces we've talked about the mushrooms your journey the integration what kind of legacy legacy do you think it's starting to help you build
00:54:19
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deeper appreciation for life you know um
00:54:27
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Treating myself better so that I can know how to better treat other people. You know, um I mean, goodness, especially being a parent, you know, that just because we're parents doesn't mean we stop growing. It's our responsibility to keep growing.
00:54:45
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You know, it's we nurture, we protect, and ah we also have a responsibility to keep growing. So for my daughter, who now is getting my youngest daughter, um who's getting ready to graduate, Um, in just two, like two weeks, she wants, she wants to pursue psychology, you know, in which she doesn't realize is that I've already seen her and we're working together.
00:55:11
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and know she probably doesn't want to work with mom, but there's going come a point in time she's be like, damn, mom's so cool.
00:55:19
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You know, but, uh, but no, cause she's got some really great, you know, gifts that she brings, you know, with this journey of hers that she's on. And um I just can't wait to see, watch that unfold. And in order to help see that unfold in all of its, you know, marvel, I have to be my best for me too, you know, and and model so that she can, you know, help, you know, undo, unravel on her own and then help those around her as well. You know, we have, we all have different purposes in life. I mean, just as much as we have people that work with light and and coming to us, you know, to boots on ground, whether it's like doing boots on ground work and, you know, or maybe it's those who are healing already in other ways. We all have these different little responsibilities that we contract into when we come in, you know, but then there are people that also,
00:56:19
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take a very heavy burden and contract as more of the dark side. and When I say dark, again, i'm not trying to say evil this, that I'm just saying their job is to, to create the noise that makes the light, you know, shine. conist Yeah. So there's, so there's a lot out there. And so my legacy is to, um, ah to help people better understand that true healing,
00:56:50
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begins with ourselves. We have to be willing to to get down with the nitty gritty and the the not feeling not so great. And when we start feeling the not so great and we get through it, we realize, I can do this.
00:57:08
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each Each time you have a little tiny triumph, it's like, I got this. I've got this. I've got me. I've got this. I've got me. I got little me. I got big me. You know, we've worked together. I got this. So, um and that's where the persistence pays to keep going every time a little bit more and a little bit more. That's where the surrender is as well.
00:57:33
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The integration, you know, it's again, and I'm going to mention again, it's that big Venn diagram. It's like they're all and independent, but yet there's a portion of each one of them. that interconnects with the other one.
00:57:45
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I love that you brought up your daughter and you shared a story with us about when you were pregnant with her in our pre-interview conversation. is that something you'd be interested in sharing with our listeners?
00:57:57
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Sure. and ah definitely. But one thing that a connection that I was making earlier when we started speaking about when my earliest thought of of one ah of like you know one of our T's or traumas and stuff was I had mentioned that the first thing that I had thought of was um the interaction with my father.
00:58:19
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But subconsciously, I was thinking and it was coming out, but it was also with my mother because my mother had a near-death experience when she gave birth to me.
00:58:31
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Well, you know, I'm not going to say that we passed that down in the DNA, but cells do remember maybe. yeah Not that they maybe they do, but I'm being a little facetious here, but when I, yeah, when I, um, had my, uh, young girl, Sophia, she, um, I, yeah, I almost died.
00:58:50
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I was really sick. I had severe preeclampsia. Pressure was uncontrollable. It was like 227 over 127 and climbing steadily every minute. Um, everyone, you know, was concerned about either cardiac demise or neurovascular event or, so you know, um, I've,
00:59:09
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I definitely felt, um, in and out. Um, and then I had an experience. I was, um, I had like, I think Ralph had counted in me over 30 something IVs that were all blown and they couldn't get a line. They kept trying, trying. I just kept telling him, don't take them out. Don't take them out. Just leave them in. you know, I don't want all these big, you know, bruises and hematomas everywhere. And, and, um, but yeah, um,
00:59:36
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Long story short, this, I'm trying to make this a short one thing because so involved. I'm like, I don't know how to do that. Um, so I was really sick. Uh, like I said, and I had an experience with Sophia. I was there and all of a sudden I just felt like I got sucked into a tunnel, which by the way, on this particular last journey,
01:00:04
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that happened to me that I got sucked through a tunnel and it presented me with, but I started my journey by seeing this big, huge tree of life and with all of its like incredible root system and, and branches and trunk and earth around it. And all of a sudden it started all disintegrating away and says, now let's really go down. And it then I went and all the way down into the root system and, and, an underground journey, but with Sophia coming back to present here, um I had that same vacuum feeling. was like, and it's like, i I went backwards through a tunnel, it seemed like.
01:00:47
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And it was all, it was dark, but glittery. And um all of a sudden I was in my womb with my daughter.
01:00:59
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I could see her floating, in the amniotic fluid with the umbilical cord connected to the placenta. I could see where my placenta was, you know, connected to my uterine lining. And, um, I, uh, I was just sitting there and I was just looking in in awe. It was like, wow, this is Sophia. I'm like, I'm seeing Sophia. I'm like, I'm in my womb.
01:01:29
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and I was like, huh? So I started communicating with her telepathically because it's not like I was speaking through the water, the fluid and the bubbles coming out. It's like, it was like a clear conversation.
01:01:44
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And it was like, and I said, Sophia, and I said, um mama's really sick, but I promise to hold on. If you can promise to hold on for just one more week and you'll have more than a 50, 50 chance to live. And I know that we can do this.
01:01:59
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And she responded back to me, okay, mama.
01:02:04
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And all of a sudden, it was like, and I was sucked back out. And I opened my eyes and priest is standing over me and he's reading me my last rites, you know, and my mom's there crying. My sisters are crying. have some friends there. And I looked at, and I was like, father. And I'm like, what are you doing?
01:02:27
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And he's like, the and then he's like, I'm reading you your last rites. I'm like, Oh, you don't have to do that. I said, no one's dying today. I just had this incredible conversation with my daughter and we're not dying. And he just starts crying. My sister like kind of feels it looks like she's going to collapse and goes to a chair. My mom was like, I knew God was listening. I knew God was listening. And you know, all these affirmations for everyone are happening. um,
01:02:55
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And I just said, I just need to stay really quiet and I need to meditate. And I said, I go, i I go, I don't want any distractions. And I started just staying quiet and meditating and envisioning, you know, the, that the healing, the every, the pressure going down, everything just normalizing.
01:03:15
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And to the exact day, one week, I woke up from my sleep and I was like, and I couldn't breathe.
01:03:27
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I felt like I was drowning and i had gone into what they call flash pulmonary edema. And I was rushed to the OR for an emergency C-section. And Sophia was born exactly one week later, as I had asked.
01:03:43
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And she was born with eight, nine APGARs, which for a 25 week baby, Okay, one pound, six ounces, 11 and three quarter inches long. That's unheard of.
01:03:55
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She did not need to be intubated or ventilated. She was crying. She sounded like a little cat.
01:04:05
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and um And I was like, all right, we have purpose here. We're going to keep on with this journey. And so... um So, yeah, that's and that's where we're at. and you know And just like any other regular, you know like a parent-child you know interaction, there are times when she'll say something or do something and I'll be like, er you know, and then I, you know, I just, but I remind myself, I'm like, she's still learning and so are you. Chill the fuck out.
01:04:38
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I just think that's such a powerful story when we think about persistence. you know In the moment you were asking for persistence from her or you were asking yourself to be persistent in this in order to have this relationship. And then you know decades later, you're watching the beautiful result of that persistence then and you know the journey along the way. i just it's It's just such a powerful experience. I'm grateful that you shared it with our listeners.
01:05:07
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Oh, well, thank you very much for asking. Like I said, I think that was a pretty good condensed version because there's just so much more to it. But I think I got the meat and potatoes out of the stew. You did good.
01:05:20
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We have um our wrap up real quick. If you want to do, um this is just rapid fire answers. First thing that pops up and into your head. So we can start out with, um there's just 10 quick questions and we'll go from there. What's your favorite word?
01:05:36
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Mm, fantabulous. Good word. What's your least favorite word?
01:05:44
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No. like that too. What turned you on creatively, spiritually, or emotionally? All three of them together.
01:05:56
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That's a whammy.
01:05:59
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what turns yeah barta me what' What turns you off
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rudeness, disrespect. Yeah. What's your favorite curse word? Fuck. yeah not anyone What sound or noise do you love?
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Ocean. And you live close to it, so that's perfect. What profession other than your own would you like to attempt?
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Hmm. I love interior design. i love i like to create im i'm creative. i I say I don't ah do like art, but I do art with faces and bodies and things like that. But um I want to try painting.
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I can see these things in my mind so vividly and i and I'm like, gosh, I got to try it. yeah Yeah. What what sound and noise do you not love?
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It's chalkboard. Hmm. And what profession would you not like to attempt?
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Hmm.
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Law enforcement.
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Yes. And finally, if heaven exists, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the pearly gates?
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Hmm.
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That's a loaded question. Because I don't believe in pearly gates.
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And i do believe in God. But I believe that we already have acceptance. love that. So it's I don't have to ask for it.
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And I think that we create our own hell when we don't live our best lives based on the intention that we came here for. Yes. Perfect. And then one um final question for you, Donna. What does don't trip on your cape mean to you?
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Get out of your own way. Yes. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, we want to thank you for being with us today. We've enjoyed hearing all your stories and your wisdom and everything that you've shared with us. We cannot thank you enough.
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Thank you. And I love both of you all and that you, you know wanted to take the time to share some time with me. And if anyone out there is listening, anything that I've said has resonated with them, I'm happy and I'm grateful.
01:08:41
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That's beautiful. Well, until next time, everybody, don't trip on your cape. We'll see you then. Peace out. Bye. Thanks for joining Alex and Leslie on Don't Trip on Your Cape.
01:08:54
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