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Episode 6: The Mycelial Path Within
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In this episode, Leslie and Alex take a deeper dive into the world of mushrooms, not just as medicine, but as teachers. Alex shares how growing mushrooms became a personal initiation, rooted in patience, curiosity, and deep listening. Together, they explore different strains and species, the subtle differences in their energies, and the way mushrooms meet each person where they are. This conversation weaves science, lived experience, and reverence for the intelligence of the mycelium. It is an invitation to understand mushrooms not as an escape, but as a relationship, one that helps you reconnect with yourself and the world around you.
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Introduction and Superpowers
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Welcome to Don't Trip on Your Cape, the podcast where Leslie, the founder of Align Living and Leadership, and her amazing co-host Alex from Much Love dive into the very things that weigh us down, only to reveal those burdens are actually our greatest strengths.
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Together, they help listeners recognize that what feels heavy is often just your own unique superpower in disguise. So grab your cape, and let's explore how to wear without stumbling.
Alex's Mushroom Journey
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Hello, and welcome to this episode of Don't Trip on Your Cape, episode six. I'm Alex. And I'm Leslie. And today we're going to do a deep dive into mushrooms and learn even more of Alex's awesome story.
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can you start us off? Yeah. Well, ah the the place that I should probably start is where they were started for me. um we've We've talked some now about my journey and the way I was born and lived in a cult and um then my exit. And when I left,
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It was not an easy decision, obviously, but I left because i believed finally what they said about me, that I wasn't good enough and that I had a wicked heart. It was ah part of my story at that point. And so I left believing i was going have a short amount of time to kind of be in the world and then I was probably going to be gone.
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And um about a year into leaving, i met someone. who was like basically trying to figure out where I came from in my story. And I told him a little bit about it.
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And he said to me, you need mushrooms. And I was at that point in my life, like I said, i I didn't know a lot about anything. I had barely left the cold. I was just learning about myself. And so for me, what I heard was party drug. Like I had, the only thing I knew were colors and potentially fractals and we should feel good.
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And so i was like, party on, let's do the thing. I was excited at that point. So I got the mushrooms and um it was not what I expected. It was not what I expected at all.
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First of all, everybody always asks me, did you see the colors? No, I did not. We can talk about that more as we go on because colors are interesting experience and I have a Fantasia, can talk about that later. But what I did have was a connection I had not felt in that way ever before. Some while I was in that solitary confinement, I felt the stillness, but not the complete oneness that I started to feel on that journey.
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It was um euphoric and beautiful. And there's a lot of ah lot in that journey that I learned. But the number one thing that the mushrooms told me and that they brought up for me, they knew was a part of my story was that I was a human being with a wicked heart.
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It was such a central part of my identity. And am they said to me, you are not, you are not a human being with a wicked heart. You are a human being with love.
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And the hads I had I had Gussies then. um it was It was overwhelming. It was overwhelming in a way of connectedness and spirituality and understanding that I had never, ever felt before. And it was coming from the inside in a way that I could believe and feel and know that I had never, ever, ever felt before.
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and And there's so many things that have come from
Spirituality and Mushrooms
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that journey. So if I'm still integrating today, but from that very first experience, I realized mushrooms do not care if you come to them as a party drug or any other way, they are going to give you the wisdom and the love and whatever you need and wherever you are, they're going to meet you right there.
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And that is why they are so important to me.
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So you said something that really struck me there, the the distinction between stillness and oneness. And I think hearing that idea of truly,
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connecting with yourself through the infinite is kind of what sticks out in that part. um can you talk to Can you talk a little bit about the origin of mushrooms themselves as a spiritual tool?
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Yeah, we covered it a little in our mushrooms slash human design episode, but there's so many ways that they're used. that it's hard to even cover them all. We would need a million episodes and I'm sure we'll meet people and talk to them. But the thing that they really, i have learned is exactly what you said, the oneness of everything. um There's a scientist named Dr. Jumble T. Taylor.
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She has a book called My Stroke of Insight. And she had a stroke in her left brain and was disconnected from herself. basically what she learned. She's a brain scientist, which is the coolest part of all that. Brain scientists had a stroke and studied it from the inside. Wow. hi Cool universe, I see you. And ah at the end of her stroke, she wrote the book called My Stroke of Insight.
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And her insight that she gave all of us was that she lost her ego and that your ego is just a set of cells in your left brain that tells you I'm one, I'm singular, and that you can't see everything. But when she lost that. She explains her story that she could see herself from the outside. She could see things in a different time, linear structure. She could connect with her soul. And I mean, that's all science. And what I have learned is you have those exact same experiences on mushrooms from a different perspective. And what it gave Dr. Jumbo T. Taylor was this connectedness, this oneness. And she said in her journey, she had the choice to leave or to come back.
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And she came back because she thought, what a stroke of insight that we could all be one and know that you are not one. You are not this one person. We are all one as one. And the spirituality of mushrooms always returns you back to that in a million different ways. And there's a different lot of different kinds of mushrooms which we'll get into.
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And they take off kind of different parts of your ego. And so the spirituality that they give is connecting you back to yourself, back to the universe, that part of us that says, I'm just a singular person and everything I see is real. You realize there's actually so much more that you can't see than you can see in this experience that we're living. And the mushrooms show you that divinity, that spirituality, that underlying connectedness. And that's why so many different
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cultures and practices and spiritual lenses use them is to connect back to that oneness in a way that maybe you never even know it existed or can have felt it before.
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I love that you brought up that book. It's one of my favorites. She she wrote another book called Four Characters and she you know I love to geek out on the brain science of being human. And and part of what she really breaks down in that book is the distinction between not only left brain and right brain operations, because a lot of us are familiar with that, but also the left brain emotional and the right brain emotional versus the left brain thinking and the right brain thinking. And as I was listening to you talk, I was thinking about what a gift it is
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that the mushrooms help connect those different parts of us and help us feel lifted up and supported, you know, ego kind of gets a bad rap sometimes, but its ultimate purpose is to keep you safe and to protect you and being able to feel safe and feel protected from an integrated place as a human being in this, you know,
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meet suit with all these feelings and emotions and, and lived experience. Um, I think as I, again, as I'm listening to you talk, I'm thinking about what a gift it is that the mushrooms can guide us in such a foundational way to feel whole, to feel that oneness within ourselves.
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And then also to, to connect with the oneness of the world. Absolutely. And, you know, how cool that Dr. Taylor is doing this as well and saying the same things that mushrooms say in a different way. you know, why don't to have stroke. don't to have stroke. That's way more worse. If you can learn these things in a beautiful euphoric way, you know, with this half plant, half animal thing that grows, you know, that's one of the things we can talk about right here too, is they're closer related to us in DNA than they are to plants. They're actually not a plant, really.
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They're an animal and they're, alive and have consciousness. Maybe that kind of brings us into our next segment pretty good. I'll let you lean on that. But um yeah, they are they're alive. They're an animal.
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I think it's just really exciting that the science is starting to really valid validate that ancient wisdom, you know as as we were talking earlier today before the episode.
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on the grand scheme of the timeline of all life, mushrooms are so much older and wiser than human beings. And so being able to ask for help from an elder and and being able to receive the wisdom in order to integrate it into your you know new experience, I think it's just, and i don't know, I keep saying it's such a gift, but it truly is.
Legal Aspects and Cultural Practices
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It's it's such a,
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wonderful opportunity and such a unique access point that not many other things in our lives can grant us. I think there's, there's something to be said about not just the origin of the mushrooms and, and their own timeline, but also what's the patterns that they break? What's the disruption for the mushrooms?
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Absolutely. They find you when you need them and you, They, for me, i had um been away from them for a while because, you know, the legality of mushrooms is not always widely known. They're legal in some places and not in others. And especially in like places like the Amazon and stuff, you know, even children are using them. But here in the United States where we are, there they've been illegal for a very long time. And when I got them, they were illegal the first time.
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um But they came back into my life. because I had been looking for them still while they were illegal and they, I needed them. Like I was coming back into this part of myself. I was just about to start my transition.
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I knew that I needed them again and I could not find them, but the way the universe universe works for me and I'm so fucking grateful they were just about to become legal. Just about six months after that, they became legal here in Colorado.
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And so the day they became legal, I got some, I found someone I was like, give them to me. And I i was had a very free schedule and was able to go home and a journey by myself immediately.
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And I took a lot. i always take lot took a lot back then. I don't need as much now. And we can talk about tolerance and stuff at some point. But I took a good six, seven grams and I was gone. Just in my cozy, comfy chair with a warm blanket. And i was back again in that spiritual place of oneness and knowing and outside of time. And it's hard to explain to people because you know we we know, science has told us, that time and space is a thing that we're traveling through and that it's all happening at the same time and we don't exactly understand it.
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But on mushrooms, you kind of can start to feel that. And I was back there And the healing that I got in that journey was just a one-ness again, a returning. was like a friend. And i was so grateful that they gave me what I needed because that is when I started coming back to a lot of the stuff that am with now. But the next day, i was like, i need to grow these. and i need I want to grow my own.
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i want to have this experience. they And while I was on the journey, they were like,
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we have, we have things to do together. Like you were supposed to, you you found us for a reason. And I didn't exactly understand what they meant. They sometimes do that. They give you just a tidbit and they'll tell you more later. um but they were like, we have things to do together. And so I, I did the thing I knew. And I was like, I dove in and I started learning about how to grow mushrooms. And for about two weeks from morning to night, that's all I did. Just learned about how to grow them, what they're like, all these things.
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And, um, I went to Millie Wyko, who you'll hear a lot about him. He's my friend now. i i I searched a million different vendors, but his heart drew me in.
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he The way he writes online and he will say, I will always do a trade. i will do anything to get scores into your hands so that you can do the thing on your own. And so i I got six different strains because I go bigger than home. And also started with all the difficult ones, which is also me. I was like, here we go.
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And um it was so amazing because the first part is sterile process and I had never done the science of it before and I was so nervous. So nervous, like, oh, God, what am I doing? Is this going to work?
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And as soon as the mycelium started growing, I just remember, ah, it's what's happening? It's alive. his out of one It felt so powerful. But the first part was, you know, great and I saw it all working, but when I went to plant them was when everything changed for me.
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So they tell you when you start to plant mushrooms, part of the process is, or I don't know if it's really taught as much anymore because it was few years ago and we've been talking about since then, but to cut the oxygen off. It happens with a lot of different species, a lot of different strains. They cut their oxygen because when you starve them of it, they become more vigorous and they really want to live. And so they start trying to replicate and reproduce a lot faster so that they can they feel like they're dying essentially and then you as soon as the your substrate gets colonized so there's not any room for contamination anymore then you let them have oxygen and that's really why they're doing they want you to do that is to grow fast and vigorous to battle the contamination battle because contamination is the enemy of trying to get mushrooms
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So I was like, cool, that's I'm going to do. And I went to plant the mushrooms and I went to put the tape over the hold. So I was getting the tape out. And i said, I was talking to them while i was getting the tape out. And I said to them, I don't know you. I was talking to them out loud because that's how I do. was like, I don't know you guys at all, but I'm so grateful that you've been growing so well for me so far. I was like, i feel so just proud and beautiful. You're beautiful. I'm just talking to them and thanking them and everything. And I said to them, I don't know what you need, but you know what you
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So please, as we go through this process, tell me when you start to grow, if you need water, show me. If you have battling contamination or something, speak to me. Tell me what you need.
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So I'm in the middle and I go to put the first tape on the bin and I hear and feel this voice resonance back here in the back of my head. And it said, please don't.
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And I just remember being like, what the actual thought is going on here? I swear, I was just looking around like, is there someone in my house? There was not. And so I said very quietly and ah kind of trepidatiously, please don't what?
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And I felt again this whole overwhelming resonance. And it said, we like to breathe. And was like,
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knew what I was doing and I figured out that's what they were, it was them. They were talking to me. And so I said, you like to breathe, but I am supposed to. And i told them what I was taught and they said, we will grow.
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We promise you we will grow. You don't need to do it. We can breathe. So went got the other tape out, which is MicroPore tape, which should, they said it would be enough. We will breathe and we will grow for you.
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So I did not tell anyone I did break the rules. Because you know me, I'm a rebel. I'll break the rules all day if I need to. And I did, and they started growing. And about two weeks later, i had little tiny pins of my first ever strain, which was the Cystic Ecuadorian albino, very difficult to grow mushroom.
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And rest is history as far as they started growing. I was hooked. As soon as they started growing, I started doing journeys telling people. And from there, kind of took off.
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That story... It's poignant and also it makes my heart hurt a little bit as you're telling it. Like, how often do we starve ourselves of something so vital like oxygen? Maybe not literally, but we starve ourselves of these vital things that truly nourish us.
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because it's what you're supposed to do, because it's what someone who did it before told you to do again. and how often are we maybe cheating ourselves out of full flourishing opportunities because it's the way it's always been done. That's that's really kind of what sticks out to me in that story. and i think It's also a really great parallel of why people are drawn to mushrooms is because they need these vital aspects of their lives that somewhere along the way they were programmed or conditioned to starve themselves of or or sacrifice in exchange for the
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you know, the outcome or the results.
Mushrooms for Mental Health
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You know, lots of people come to to mushrooms for lots of different reasons. There's probably as many reasons to come to mushrooms as there are people coming to mushrooms. And some of it's about managing that emotional numbness, right? That we we think we we we need to feel more and we can't. So we use a tool in order to have the feelings or to manage that,
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And that pervasive anxiety that's that's so rampant in our society right now that to me, anxiety is about an inner disconnection. right? It's not really, we we think the circumstances are are the catalysts or the triggers for the anxiety, but but more and more of what we're learning as we're studying and people are vulnerably and courageously sharing is it's an inner disconnection and having something like mushrooms help you reconnect is part of why they can be such a great support tool for people who are struggling with anxiety.
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You know, that And and even more more rampant maybe is the burnout. And I think part of why you know we've we've worked with, as we've started working together, I've been honored to you know cross paths with people who are coming to support sessions with mushrooms and really understanding that this,
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burnout epidemic that so many women are struggling with is the result of misalignment, the result of doing the things that spend our vitality in ways that ultimately doesn't serve us. Right. And when that interconnection helps us crack open and really Maybe for the first time, kind of to to your point as well, like maybe for the first time in their entire lives, feel that inner alignment that they can then go amplify and magnify in their outer world so that they're outwardly aligned with the things that they're doing, the people they're in relationship with, their their bigger life purpose. you know i've I've talked often. i i am I do what I do as a coach and a consultant because it's in alignment with my bigger purpose. But I very selfishly want to live in a world filled with people making aligned choices. And any tools that we can use to reconnect to that inner source
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in order to feel connected to that outward collective, I'm just ah i'm just a big fan of you know, I don't shy away from disruptions, but I think they are meant to be a catalyst for that expansion.
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And there's so many, like you said, i was trying to think, you know, what thing should we cover that they help with? And like, i was like, top three, top four, top ten. Like I kept, the list kept growing. I was like, I don't know. and we'll talk about, you know, in the next thing, some of the experiences. But like you said, is that disconnection because it's the way that we've always done things. And that is the first lesson maybe that they taught me while I was growing them is don't do the things everyone else says, but also what we will teach everyone that, like you said, because everything from anxiety to depression to ADHD to addiction,
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like I said, post-traumatic stress syndrome, but even from like veterans and things like that, cancer patients that are potentially so ending their seeing the end of their life come, there's peace that comes there, there's genuinely dementia, Alzheimer's, like we could go into a million different things and we will go into a million things, but almost all of those things, like you said, are an inside thing.
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They are an inside thing. They are not an outside thing. And so many times we're going along doing the thing because we're so we think we're supposed to, and that disruption is what is going to disrupt all those different things and help with it is the same answer in my case, it can help. And it's so crazy to me how they just know what need, no matter what disruption you're facing.
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It's where we can face that truth that something has to shift. or no longer deny that we continue to suffer by choice. And that's, it's potentially confronting, but it's also really really powerful opportunity for authenticity.
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So in the hero's journey, we get to this peak culmination, right? This, the rebuild that we talk about a lot. Where, where do, how do mushrooms help people find alignment?
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Ah, this is the my the exciting part for me because, I mean, obviously we get to talk about all the different, our experiences, but they are a personalities as well. And that's one of the things I've learned, getting to commune with them, you know, by it taking them. But now my life really consists of growing them and talking to them on a day-to-day basis, even while I'm not consuming them. And so there's three main species that I grow.
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And we can start there because they're very distinct and special in the things that they do for you. So I always tell people that regular magic mushroom, the regular mushrooms that people kind of know about are called Cubensis, psilocybe Cubensis.
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And um there are as many strains that you can imagine. They just keep growing and growing, but they all started basically from the same original different mushrooms we found around the world and different countries.
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and you grow them. And then what happens over time is just like anything else, they will have a bit of a morphology. The way I like to explain it is, you know you you have said in your thing, you have three kids, none of them are the same.
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And that's the same thing for mushrooms. like Even in an entire bin of mushrooms, what you go for is uniformity because you know you want them to grow the same pace, you want them to do the same thing so that it's easier for later for,
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for picking them and things like that. But in general, what they do is they do their own thing, especially when you're growing from spores, they will have all different expressions. And so sometimes what will happen is one will be such a different expression that it is its own thing. Like you have ah redhead, is you know, that's cool. And you're like, if I want all redheads, now what you can do is you can take that mushroom, you can clone it in a sterile environment. What you do is you cut off the cap and you take a piece of the tissue on the inside.
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and then you take it and you clone it and you can grow it out and then hopefully stabilize it and make that new mushroom into a whole new strain. But they all come from the same Cubensis. So I grow over a hundred strains of just Cubensis.
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And one of the things people tell you, which I have learned is not true. Originally what they often say is a key was cube is cube Cubensis. A cube is a cube. They're all the same.
00:25:58
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They are not. They are so different. That their personalities are just, it's like people to me as far as the way that I experience them when they talk. But even in the experiences of people taking them, one of my favorite first stories, when I was first growing them, I'm a part of a lot of different groups of metaphysical groups, and I'm part of witch's group.
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And um somebody in there asked, you know, I'm looking for mushrooms. Does anybody know? And I was like, oh oh, my name is Alex. I do you think. And then I started getting all of these people that were witches and I got several heads of covens that do it for their spiritual work come to me. And so what I would do is give them several different strains to start out with because I didn't know. I was like i don't know what you want.
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Here go. And two heads of witches came back to me and they both asked for the same exact strain.
Mushroom Strains and Effects
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And I was like, and it was called Lizard King, which is a fun name.
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And um I said to them both, like, because they kept coming back for the same one. was like, how are you using this specific strain, especially with separate people? And they gave me the same answer, which was we use them to talk to the fae, to fairy creatures and mystical beings to get to the other side of the realm. And I was like, no way, because they said the exact same thing as well. And I was like, this is so cool. And then, like, later on, I had different friend groups that went into, so I had Johnny Mindtuck is a very famous mushroom strain. and Obviously, you can tell them the name. So I gave that to them along with another one called PES Hawaiian.
00:27:34
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And two friend groups. And the results were so dramatically different between what I had given them. And one was a very spiritual group and the other was a very party group. And the ones they liked were opposite. So it told me the personality of the mushrooms was very different from there as well. ah And strangely, the Jedi mindfuck ended up being very spiritual for a lot of people. And what I've learned about that mushroom, and i think it's aptly named because it gets you out of your head.
00:28:02
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It really does. And into your heart. It is not going to be a mushroom that you think is what it's going to do. so that's one of the cool things. There's also hillbilly pumpkin, which we have found within the community, for some reason, is an amazing, amazing microdose stream.
00:28:19
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And we're not exactly sure why there's compounds in it, but when I talk to it, it's very gentle. a This is another thing that I find interesting about mushrooms a zen most of them, when I hear them, i might speak to them or experience them, are are androgynous. Like the voice you can't tell, kind of like a kid, sometimes when you hear the voice, you don't know.
00:28:40
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The energy is that way. But there are some strains, like there's one called penis envy, a very masculine strain. but And when you're on it, it feels different, stronger, a bit heavier.
00:28:53
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It's just a different species. And there's only one that I have that talks to me in in a feminine voice. Her name is Stargazer. She's a lady. I say she's a lady because it's not just that she's a woman, but she is high standards for her existence.
00:29:11
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And that is such a lesson to me. in so many ways that she's like, these are what i this is what I need. and and And if it is not met, she just it just contaminates. And she's like, exit the situation.
00:29:23
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And so I've learned to grok her in a way where I give her exactly what she needs. And it is my privilege and honor to then grow her. And then what you give her comes out at the other side in the journey.
00:29:36
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It is so gentle and so loving and so kind, but deep and wise and helps you have your own standards is what it feels like to me. um Well, the next thing I wanted to talk about before I forget is because everybody was asking me about the colors.
00:29:52
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um Have icing colors since then? There is a strain called matapanas. It is my favorite strain because is it is the first one I saw colors on. And that strain has an interesting history lineage in and of itself because the grower that was growing it was in South America and he was growing several different species like I grew.
00:30:12
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grow like I grow it, but he was growing pancyans and cubensis and he had some pancyan mushrooms that were growing and they grew a first flush.
00:30:23
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He went, they started growing a second flush and it was not pancyans, it was cubensis. but he had a enough bunch of different strains so he has no idea what strain it is no idea how it came to be but it came out of a different type of mushroom cake but it is absolutely a cubensis so we don't know if it picked up some of the compounds of the pan science we have no idea but it is its own and we don't even know the lineage of it because we have no idea which of his other cubensis started from but for me it was such a cool experience of the first time i took it not only did i see fractals and have all the messages
00:30:58
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I saw colors. And since then, I've taken that one a lot of times. And now I can start to see colors on other strains, especially on blob mutations, which is the second part of Cubensis mushrooms.
00:31:12
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um Sometimes when the mushrooms grow, they will have what's called mutations, but they don't even look like a mushroom. And I'll put pictures up. You can see them as we talk. So the original one was called Enigma because it was an Enigma.
00:31:28
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And it was, it looks like a coral when it grows. it's so hard to even explain how it grows. It starts with little, these little tiny pins almost but look like fingers almost. And then they start to converge and then they grow all of these amazing formations, but it takes double, triple, quadruple time, depending on the mushroom um to grow them. So, so many alkaloids and so much geloside and so many colors, so much of everything. And so that was the,
00:31:58
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I always see colors on those now as well, but that's just, we've barely scratched the surface of Cubensis and all of the differences of them, but they really have personalities and what they really do, Cubensis, number one thing they do is connect you to your inside.
00:32:17
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They have the colors, they have the fractals, the visuals. The other thing I tell people is music or sound is really your ground on mushrooms, especially in Cubensis, really. have a playlist, there's a ton of them out there, but that that will be your ground. Your sound always sounds just like it sounds normally.
00:32:34
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And that's kind of the characteristics of Cubensys is connecting you to the inside, but with these visuals and these messages and language that will make sense to you, but it's so hard to explain the outer world.
00:32:48
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So that's Cubensys. we can go into Ocarousia citrata next but yeah give you can absolutely go for it and then we can talk a little bit about not so much the specific kinds of mushrooms but also the distinct experiences that you get with mushrooms whether it's microdosing or journeys or emotional release or those kinds of things yeah so um Ocarousia citrata is my second species that I started growing and um I originally just got it as a
00:33:20
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and a swap and I didn't really even note that I wanted to grow. But I did, I started growing it. And the first time I took it, i was like, whoa, this is different. It was completely different.
00:33:32
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It was manageable, but I didn't have the colors and the visuals and I did not go inside. Instead, I wanted to talk and connect and really be a part of the outside world. And so I started giving it to people that I knew, dude mushrooms, some of my clients, spiritual people.
00:33:47
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It all really clicked into place for me when I gave it to somebody that I knew that absolutely adored mushrooms. And um his wife really wasn't that into it, but one day she finally decided she wanted to.
00:34:00
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And so he gave her this mushroom as her first mushroom. And he called me the next day and he was crying on the phone. And he said to me, Alex, she gets me.
00:34:12
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She finally sees me. And I was like, what? who And he's like, my wife. And I had known that she's autistic and that he loves her to death, but he often felt like she couldn't enter his world the same way he could enter her world.
00:34:27
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And he said, she listened to all my favorite songs. I got to tell her some of my favorite stories. And he said, she sees me in a different way and they're married and been together for a while.
00:34:38
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We found out three months later they got pregnant that night. So it's ah It's a connecting to the outside environment mushroom. The first time I actually took it to, I forgot to say i was in an old house and I could see that the house was alive. Like it was breathing.
00:34:52
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I've taken it into the forest, the trees talk to you. Like I mean, it's not something to me, but that's not just me. Other people have had that experience as well. um It's a connecting to the outside mushroom and sound sounds different as well.
00:35:05
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Music is not your ground. It is, you could hear, I took it with someone that I, I knew for a while and she was in choir. She knew every song, two two notes and she'd be singing it.
00:35:16
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And so we were listening to her playlist and she said to me, why did you change the playlist? wanted to listen to that playlist. I did not change the playlist. Is this your playlist? She's like, I don't know this song. And so I looked at the playlist and I'm like, it's this song. She's like, no way, because it sounded completely different and new like you had never heard it before.
00:35:34
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So let's a little bit about Ocraseous and Trotter. And we don't have ah a bunch of strains yet. really We only have a few. two or three. i have two personally. They're just coming up with more
Microdosing and Personal Growth
00:35:44
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strains of that. The last one we grow to, we're just starting to make available, not quite a little yet, is subtropicalis.
00:35:51
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And that's the one we talked about in our other story when I had to be like, uh-oh, and, you know, hold the view. And in that one, that's the most deep work mushroom.
00:36:03
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If you have work to do and you've tried the other ones in youre likeking and I think there's something else, that one will get there. And more than that, what was cool is we would talk and text for a little bit during that journey. And then you would kind of let me be, and I would just lay there. And it feel felt like the mushrooms were saying to me, let it happen.
00:36:21
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And it wasn't not really wanting me to move. And then when I would open my eyes, I could see my energy field rearranging itself. As I was leveling up, my energy field was leveling up. So there were visuals, but they were very different than normal.
00:36:34
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And so those are kind of the three species i grow and the three different experiences they offer. And then the uses of them are infinite. Can you share a little bit about benefits of microdosing versus journeying?
00:36:52
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Yeah, absolutely. So mostly people microdose on Cubensis. I started to have some people microdose on Ocursia citrada. because it does give you different benefits. They're all, I should say, psilocybin. So all But as we talked about earlier, they take parts of your ego offline that are different.
00:37:16
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And so that's the alkaloid content. And again, science has not caught up to this yet. So we are at the frontier of learning the differences between them and figuring that all out. And our experiences are the best data points that we have, which is why I love my job and love being able to share this with people. But microdosing is day-to-day background helper.
00:37:40
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The number one reason that I really have found people come to me on it is to help them change their habits, whatever that looks like. um Probably the biggest is really people that want to get off depression medication.
00:37:53
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And the reason for that, that they tell me, and I have been on depression medication, so I get it, is the same reason that vulnerability is so powerful, depression medication is so powerful. Vulnerability is where everything lives, the good, the bad, and your vulnerability. But when you are numbing, you are numbing the good and the bad.
00:38:13
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You don't just numb the bad. That's often why we go to anxiety and depression medication is because everything is too much. But we want the love. We want the good things. We want all of that feelings.
00:38:26
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And so people want to get back to themselves, they come to me to start getting off their depression medication. And we always have them work with their doctor, obviously, to do that as well. But what it does is helps to get rid of and rewire your brain from those things. So I think we talked a little bit about how it's that fresh blanket of snow.
00:38:48
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And oftentimes, we are stuck in a pattern of behavior. And it's not on purpose it's just the way our brains work so what microdosing does on a day-to-day basis it gives you the same benefits as whatever you're needing is kind of crazy to say as whatever the medication you're using or whatever usage you may be using something else for but it doesn't give you the negative numbing of everything it you you lean into the good things and
00:39:19
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the difficult things become more manageable because they're buffered with love. You still feel them and see them, but there's this more understanding that I can manage it. Alzheimer's and dementia patients use microdosing because of that same thing, the rewiring or wiring reconnecting of wiring that has been disconnected again. So the way that it's used is four days on three days off. It's called a stamets stack.
00:39:47
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And the reason for that is psilocybin does have a bit of cumulative effects. Like it diminishes as you use the day-to-day and also integration, which we always talk about.
00:39:59
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every It needs time for integration in your body, like weightlifting or bodybuilding. Your body needs time to rest. So if it gives it that time to reintegrate and then you go back and go four days off, three days off, four days off, three days off.
00:40:11
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That's how it works, but it can work for almost anything. The other most... Recent thing that I've had people come to me for is ADHD.
00:40:23
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a So many people do not like their ADHD medication because they feel the effects of it sometimes wear off too fast, or they just don't want to be on that particular medication or anything like that.
00:40:37
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And often, sometimes it's it's also not rewiring the brain. They're dependent on that medication. And so this helps them have the same benefits, especially when combined with linesbane and niacin.
00:40:48
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And linesbane and niacin you take every day. And you can go on our website and learn some of this or ask questions and we can give you more detail. But the cumulative effects of them, it quiets your brain, helps you focus more, and then you're rewiring the pathways so you're not stuck in the old ways as well. There is a million different motivations benefits microdosing that's how it works when it leads into journeying is and i should also say you don't feel it cognitively you never feel high you never feel anything like that in microdosing ever it should never feel that way and if you do you're taking too much so go to lordos um getting high so to speak is when you get into journeys but that's not really what it is i mean you do lift off in a lot of ways into the heavens and the stars of your soul
00:41:36
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But it's really about going inside to the depths of yourself most often. And journeys are used for everything, again, from deep healing and trauma to also, i know a lot of people who were alcoholics or did harder medication or harder drugs, I should say.
00:41:59
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um And they have replaced that that habit with something that now has a spiritual side effect. So if they're going out with people to a bar, they'll take a little bit of mushrooms instead if they're doing things like that. And they you still have that euphoria and and you get to feel the the same thing. So journeys kind of look all different depending on if you're using them for spiritual. And I have talked to the mushrooms about this and they're like, we're down for being used at any party as well because you're always going get that side dose of something spiritual. We're never going to not bring up what you need. And that is one of the most common things that people say, you're going to get the journey you need, not the one you want. Beware. So once you start taking about anywhere from a half a gram, depending on the person, but really it starts more about a gram all the way up to about five, six, seven, 10, whatever you're, mostly, usually only about five, but um five grams is where journeying is. And that's when you you should absolutely have a guide. If you've never done it before, you should be in a safe place.
00:43:02
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You should have musics some play music and playlists. And you are going to be for an experience for several hours. The hardest part for most people is to come up. And that is the reason is is, you're really crossing the veil of your ego. Your ego protects you, as you said, in it's meant tona to help you function in this world. you know You need to know I am separate from that person so you can do your thing. But when you cross that veil, it is the hardest kind of come up often.
00:43:32
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And so we we often tell people to use it with chocolate. We have chocolate bars because chocolate makes you get into a little cluster. But once you cross that veil, that is when it starts become amazing and beautiful and giggles and laughter and and connectedness and oneness and then the messages, the messages that are so hard to explain.
00:43:54
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I love all that. You're such a wealth of knowledge. It's such a it's such a great opportunity to listen to you just... share not only your lived experience, but also your learned experience. I think what I'm what i'm taking away as you're talking about the different ways that that people can be supportive with mushrooms is it's where the inner architecture gets rebuilt and it gets rebuilt on truth instead of survival. And survival is certainly important, right? That's our fundamental, most basic need as human beings.
00:44:26
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But being able to survive on a foundation of truth Um, that's, that's really the doorway to the expansion part. So we've moved through the journey a little bit, the origin, the disruption, the rebuild.
00:44:40
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Let's talk about integration. As you mentioned, that's, that's certainly one of my, um, favorite parts of facilitation is the integration, because that's where we get to go live the insights and live the new information. So how does that, how does that, um,
00:44:59
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show up for you. It's the best part in so many ways because you get to start applying all the beautiful messages and ah integration looks like so many different things. Often integration starts with after a journey or whatever with microdosing still because you want to keep that in your life. But there's everything from sound baths to journaling to coaching to million things, but it really is all about figuring out what those messages were telling you and finding a way to bring them into your life for yourself.
00:45:35
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And so we can tell a few different stories about different things. So like integration in microdosing, for example, I had a woman come to me. a She said to me, and losing my mom. I'm losing my mom because she is forgetting things. And she said, the worst part isn't that she's forgetting things. It's that she's getting mad at my dad.
00:45:58
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because she thinks he's not telling her things and it's ruining their relationship in their own life. And I was like, there's been a lot of research. We're working on it. It's not proof, but it can help. Like we take it again with the lines made with Niacin. And I saw her at a show. i didn't get her information. I was kind of sad about that.
00:46:16
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And um six months later, I saw her another show. She came and she hugged me and she said, you gave me my mom back. And she was so grateful because her mom wasn't forgetting anymore.
00:46:28
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It took a little bit, but the integration of the medicine and all of their lives was being patient enough for it to start kicking in, reminding her, and then the wiring started to rebuild and she started to have it. And obviously, ah if you can get ahead of it, it's better. Take it earlier rather than later. I will never stop taking, you know, on microdosing because of all the different benefits, but the integration...
00:46:54
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into your life, you often don't see it of microdosing. It's so subtle. There's so many ways that it just gives you back to yourself. But and with the journeying too, we offer integration through our company, Mushlove. People can come to us once a month and that looks different too. a lot of times it's just community that talking to people about your experiences.
00:47:15
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um It is my favorite part of the job. Like I love growing mushrooms. I love all of it. But hearing people come to me with their experiences. I had somebody a couple weeks ago now who she's a facilitator for maybe five months ago, a facilitator.
00:47:33
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And she said to me, i have someone who has a stutter. He's had a stutter his whole life and he really wants to work on this and we helped with it. And so she's like, what strain should I use? And so we did a couple for him and she wrote me back a week later and she said, look at this message from his mom.
00:47:52
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And the message was the stutter is 90% gone. It was only, and it was getting better every day. And he talked in places. And then the next day she sent me another screenshot from him. And he said, I went to a restaurant and placed my own order.
00:48:07
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For the first time, he said it was, I couldn't talk. Like even when placing an order, he would stutter too much to place his own order that he would have to have somebody. And this is a full grown human that was just having so much trouble. And even that,
00:48:21
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the integration into his life was giving him back to himself, getting to place his own orders.
Integration and Personal Stories
00:48:27
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And there is endless stories that I could share. We could have days and days and days, everything, like I said, from heroin addicts. We're going to interview one of my friends who, I interviewed through this, who was a heroin addict at Mushrooms, who helped him him, to people with depression and PTSD, people who have lost people and seen the person that they have lost.
00:48:48
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You know, for myself, I could share a million experiences about my things and the things that they've done but integration looks different for everybody but it always is giving you back to yourself getting those messages and listening to them because that is often the hardest part is we hear the message the whisper in other ways it becomes a yell and a shout in our life we still don't listen you know the universe throws a brick at our head and we're like no i'm still fine and we just don't want it to get bigger and bigger and bigger
00:49:21
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What's that like? I bet you have no idea, right? but Exactly. But the mushrooms are loud right away. You don't need a breakthrough in your head, but they will talk to you in the best way possible so you can catch it really soon and and do the work before all of the four even the whisper comes in a lot of ways. And so that's part of the beauty of the integration of them is you're talking to you with mushrooms. It's you. It's you, the divine you, you love you, whatever you you want to believe in God, you, or you can some people believe it is God talking to them. And that's wonderful, but it is always for you regardless. And it is going to make your life so much different and better.
00:50:11
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And so the integration looks like figuring out how to incorporate that and Oftentimes, you know, your first journey is just the first and as it implies it becomes a practice. I call it a defrag in my life.
00:50:25
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I know when I need it, just like on a computer starts running a little slower. I know that I need a sole defrag and I go in and it's a few hours and it just feels like you are a whole brand new human and you remember what matters again.
00:50:41
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You cannot forget. I think of integration like a bridge. You know, I, so I, see you know, I see all the pictures all the time inside my mind's eye. And for me, it's that the, the integration process, whether it's, um, you know, integrating insight through mushrooms or coaching or psychotherapy or whatever, whatever that instigates the and integration. Um, but the, the process of integration, it's that bridge between the, the inner experience and the outer life, right? Because our, our life,
00:51:16
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is just a manifestation of the story we're living, but it's real. And we can feel really disconnected from the thing that we're actually manifesting and creating because we haven't organized or realigned or recreated the thoughts, the inner environment. And so for me, the integration process is really about creating that bridge so that you can get to that new destination and you can be in that outer life with that inner awareness, helping you, supporting you. right And I know for me personally, when we first started working together, you were rather persistent and I was rather resistant that I needed to microdose. And finally one day I was like, fine, give me the mushrooms. I've done so much acid. I've already had this experience. Younger me was ah very familiar with the psychedelic journeys, but not from a spiritual perspective and not from a personal growth perspective.
00:52:13
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you know But full transparency, I took them fully believing that I was going to show you that you were wrong and I was right. And I was wrong and you were right. For me, what it has done is remove the back air on static.
00:52:27
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right it it It's just almost 50 years of lived experience and all of these little bits and pieces that just sort of float around in the background. And because they're there all the time, i was used to them. And I didn't realize how much of my vitality i was inadvertently spending on not focusing on the background distractions. And now, you know several months into microdosing protocol, I can say with certainty,
00:52:59
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I am a better version of myself and I have more clarity and I have more certainty and I am able to not only have I established new habits with this new awareness, but I'm confident that I can continue to establish new, better and more supportive habits as I continue to grow this new awareness of myself and my my experience. just Just that one piece of information, knowing that there was background static in my life that I wasn't even aware was creating a challenge, that alone has been a game changer for me. And it helps me notice when that seems like it's showing up in other people's experiences. you know in my In my coaching, a lot of times, i'm I'm very transparent with people. manifest generator. i don't want to work with you for a year. If you need a coach to work with you for a year, that i got great referrals, but I i want to move fast. I want to see results quickly. And I want that for the people that I work with. And i only work with someone, the same person on the same goal for three months. And if we can't achieve, if you can't achieve that in 12 weeks based on the plan that we've put together, we either have the wrong goal or you're not doing the thing.
00:54:13
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my experience now has been able to say at least anecdotally and personally, this is a tool that will help you get out of your own way. This is a tool that will support you in taking on the new challenges with success.
00:54:29
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And there's and just such a beautiful opportunity to reclaim our purpose when we're not spending these aspects of our resiliency on the things that just get us day to day. You know, if if you're, if you're wake up and it's same shit, different day, but you didn't like how yesterday played out, it's kind of a weird expectation that you're thinking today's going to be a whole lot different. um you know it We've talked about some of the side effects you've had that are benefits that you're like, I wouldn't have never even thought about it. Like drinking more water. Cause we have a different friend that
00:55:05
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tried microdosing and she said, i always get a headache. And I said, can I ask you your a question? Do you drink enough water? And she said, no. And I said, mushrooms are 90% water. That is the most common side effect when it's a headache. It is because you're not drinking enough water. And she just looked at me like, i don't want to drink enough water, which made me laugh. But also i was like, it's returning you back to you. Like whatever you need.
00:55:25
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i don't know how they know, but you have said like, you drink more water now. ah And, and less coffee and you know, all these, other things I am, I am, i just, for me, I'm more focused. It's easy to not be as distracted. And I think when we use our resources to have to focus instead of get to use our resources to get to focus, the outcome is different. The outer life looks different, right? My, my business has blown up. Our, our partnership has expanded. My relationships, I am just, I have more clarity. I'm showing up with a deeper awareness of self, which can't not benefit the relationship dynamic of every person I'm in relationship with, whether it's an intimate relationship or a peripheral relationship. So so I think there's just something to understanding the value of the integration process. And it's, and it takes time, right? You can't integrate until you
00:56:30
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generate the space for the insight. And I think sometimes people think the insight is the end goal. And for me, it's it's it's the midpoint, right? the The integration is where you build the bridge to achieve the end the goal.
00:56:47
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You know, it I think when we, went it for for me also, the integration is kind of like the finish line of the process, the cycle, and then you begin again. But it's where you get to return to your inner world and really move as your truer self. And who who among us, if they're being honest, doesn't want that? Absolutely. It's such a gift. They're such a beautiful...
00:57:16
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wonderful thing there is a guy that came in here there you can tell him about it but that that experience but i just remember he was telling us his experience and i was showing him mushrooms and i just took all the bags and held them and i was like i love you so much because i just love them i just love them so much the way that they give everyone what they need and that like you said that integration is the integrating and what they give you to you but I just love them so much. And hearing your story about just background noise, it seems small, but it's not. his six
00:57:53
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His experience was really powerful for me to witness him sharing the story. He's ah he's a nurse with... um ah condition that was creating skin lesions all over his body. you know, we talk a lot of times about, um, mushrooms support the spiritual exploration and they, you know, they can help with the neurobiology and the, you know, growing growing your neural network and reconnecting pathways that you've disconnected in different fashions. But he, his story was the first one that I was able to witness firsthand of the physical benefits
00:58:29
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and listening to him share the story of he was he was embarrassed to even be out in the world with his young, and he's got young children, so he wanted to go have these experiences with them, but he was embarrassed to be out in the world, not just from a place of ego, he didn't wanna be seen, but he didn't want that impact to transmit to his children and to his family. And he wouldn't be in pictures because of how his face, because of the lesions on his face. and seeing him healed, you know, I'm hesitant to use that word because it's thrown around so rampantly. And I don't know that everybody's using the word the same way that I feel like they should be using it, but truly to see him healed from this and to listen to the passion and the credit that he gives to his, to the mushrooms for helping him realign and re-regulate, not just mentally, but
00:59:28
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physically was really exciting for me. There's, again, there's so much that we know, but there's so much that we don't know yet. And, you know, a lot of times, again, I'm a science geek, so I love to read geek out on the research, but so much of the research almost feels like it's invalidating the anecdotal evidence.
00:59:51
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And i am, I just don't believe that's an accurate focus point, the anecdotes, the stories of people are where the mass quantifiable evidence is ultimately going to come from here. and And if you're not willing to believe that someone's story, someone's personal individual experience can be relevant for another, think we end up finding our we're we're stepping backwards in that way rather than understanding that that is our portal to expansion. That is our portal to growing
01:00:26
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our understanding and it certainly was for him because he had gone to how many doctors he told us he went to world-renowned doctors for skin stuff and like nothing helped he had been on a million different things he said he tried everything they gave him and it wasn't until mushrooms that he actually started to heal and like the stories and he showed us pictures and like I said, I just sat there hugging the mushrooms because I was just like, wow, thank you. I couldn't thank him enough for sharing the story and just letting us be a part of his healing process because they they gave him something that even science that we have right now could not.
01:01:11
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And that is just, to your point, we are not caught up yet. The anecdotes are the things that are teaching us everything that we can finally learn from
Healing Potential and Legacy
01:01:21
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them. But the experiences that we have and that people share with us and see with our own eyes.
01:01:27
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Wow. It's just amazing. I think the replicatability too might also feel like a challenge because to your point earlier, the mushrooms give each unique individual exactly what they need to recalibrate and grow.
01:01:42
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But that's very likely not going to look universal. And so I'm wondering if part of what's what's challenging us from the from the research perspective is that need for the for the evidence to be replicatable, but we're focusing on the wrong details, right? Is it replicatable because someone with skin lesions healed and another person with skin lesions healed? Like, is that replicatable? or is the is the alignment to what we need to focus on needing to be shifted in a way that if a person has a physical challenge, the mushrooms can help them recalibrate to feel health.
01:02:22
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You know, those kinds of, and it maybe sounds like semantics or a subtle tweak, or maybe, you know, I don't know all the different ways people might interpret that. But for me, I think it's it's It is replicatable when we start to shift our the lens through which we're looking to validate the evidence.
01:02:41
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And what I'm hearing too from you, like I said, the mushrooms can be what they need. We don't actually know what people need. And for the thing that i came to me was cancer patients, because cancer patients, you know, often want to heal, but also like our souls do things that we don't always understand on this side.
01:03:02
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And not every life is meant to have the same timeline or all of those things. And sometimes what people need is peace. Sometimes they need to know, like, I have fulfilled my purpose and I am ready to go or anything like that. We don't maybe success is not always the actual healing because sometimes our souls choose to live with things as well to experience those experiences, you know? And so the real, we've talked about this a lot, but reorientation and realignment to whatever you're experiencing might also be the gift of healing depending on what it looks like.
01:03:38
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And they'll give you that. But I think we often judge that it all needs to look the same and it all needs to be exactly cookie cutter. And Somebody said recently, cookie cutter ideas are just jails that we all put ourselves in. And I think that this is the truth of it. And a lot of things as far as even healing or results or whatever, because we don't have the same past. We don't have the same superhero journey, but they will give you what you need to realign to, take the next steps for not just your human identity, but your soul.
01:04:15
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Absolutely. So we've talked to we've talked about the arc and we've and we've kind of gotten to that integration phase. What do you think is the legacy that mushrooms are here to leave for the rest of us, for themselves?
01:04:30
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So much. i I say this a lot as far as my mission in life is to return people back to themselves and maybe that's why they told me we have a lot of work to do together is because you know there's nothing that I can say to another person to tell them who they are but mushrooms can mushrooms can and the legacy I really hope for we bring to them as well as like understanding they are a species that is here for us we should not outlaw of species they they should be a part of our
01:05:05
Speaker
communion and collaboration on this planet to give back to us, I think eventually we're going to find the and see and recognize that wisdom that they have always held. And i hope we are a part of their legacy as well. And that, you know, there's so much of us that they fit right in like a puzzle piece. And so we've evolved together however you want to believe if we were created to evolve or we've all evolved or however you want to believe that. But we're here for a reason together.
01:05:34
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And hope our legacy will also be that we can help them and they can help us and we can all make every the world better, our lives better by this collaboration that we have with them. Cause they really are collaborators.
01:05:50
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Yeah. it's It's exciting to think about the some point in the future where we can look back and see this choice point as the place where we chose the clarity the living aligned with our truth and truly, you know, pay homage, give credit sing the praises of mushrooms as a tool to have helped us get to that future place of expansion. And that really,
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you know, that awakened sense of self that I think we, you know, sometimes think we know, until we get to that next
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level. And then we're like, oh, this is what that is. And then we get to the next level, and we're like, oh, this is what that is. right And it just it really excites me to think about you know being a part of of establishing this historical point for the legacy in the future.
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And I read something the other day that said The legacy is the life you live when you finally stop abandoning yourself. And i was like, oh, that's so perfect for what we're talking about because the the mushrooms help you are helping you reconnect. They're helping you stop abandoning yourself.
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I just thought of something kind of funny too. You know, this whole podcast is about being a superhero, about finding your powers. And like, who hasn't played Super Mario Brothers and ate a mushroom and leveled and got bigger? Like, that's the truth of it. No matter what your superpowers are, eat a mushroom and they will get bigger. so Like that is really our legacy with them. Like it's funny how the universe gives us these messages and we just don't always pick them up what they're putting down. But that's really, I feel like our legacy, especially ah for our podcast is, you know, enabling your superpowers, not tripping on your cape.
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And I hope that for the rest of my life and the rest of, you know, this journey on this planet, mushrooms can be a part of my superpowers, but not just me to give to and all of the superheroes to help further their superpowers as well.
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I hope that too. And if you found this episode interesting, enlightening, informative, as always, we'd love your support. So tell a friend, share a video, do all the things.
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And until next time, I'm Leslie. And I'm Alex. Thank you for being here. Don't trip on your cape. aye
01:08:24
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Thanks for joining Alex and Leslie on Don't Trip on Your Cape. I really appreciate you being here and walking this path with them. If today's episode sparks something in you, if it helps you rock something new about yourself or your journey, show your support by subscribing to the channel, liking episode, and leaving a comment to share your thoughts or takeaways.
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Your voice helps to grow this community of brave, curious humans learning to wither kitchen confidence. and Until next time, fly high, stay curious, is and don't on your cake. Step into your superpower.