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Danny Price: everybody, welcome back to Table Talk Recap podcast with me and Shane. um We're going to be going over Shane's Sunday sermon um from this past week um titled One Life. We're still in Ephesians, this is Ephesians 4, so if you haven't listened to the sermon, um please, if you want to you know pause this and listen to that first, it'll give you more context, but it's going to be on Spotify or Apple Podcasts under the Mountain View Podcast, and you can see it on YouTube as well.
Danny Price: we're going to be just diving into some of the recap of that. um Shane, anything that you wanted to review or reiterate or something that you didn't get a chance to talk about that you studied before get into the rest of the questions?
shane: Um, well, I didn't really get a much of a chance to get into verses 25 through 32. I, I was out of time. Um, you know, but mainly just to focus, if you read through that, you see that he, he's not just saying, Hey, get rid of one thing, but he's, he's telling us what we should actually replace it with.
Danny Price: Mm-hmm.
shane: um And I think that's something in our faith.
Danny Price: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
shane: Sometimes we just, you know, we focus on getting rid of things, but we're not actually focused on where we should be growing and, or like what kind of behaviors we should be practicing, not just of what practice, what behaviors we should be stopping.
shane: um
Danny Price: right
shane: You know, and I know for me, like practicing being someone who builds up and is encouraging, like I have to practice that doesn't just, I don't just do it regularly, you know? um So that I didn't get to have time to get into that. But other than that, I definitely yeah yeah I hit on some quite a few topics that were maybe a little offensive to some people. I even I didn't even think about it. But like my my opening day.
shane: segue of talking about the movie poltergeist i think that might have bugged some people that was talking about a horror movie um you know but it really is just something from my childhood like i remember that and like for some reason it's always just stuck in my head about that like idea of you know getting rid of the old and the dead and not just building on top of it and stuff
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: I thought it was actually a really, I mean, you know me, I'm not a huge Halloween person. and i'm not into that, but I, and I don't watch horror movies, but I love that because it was a perfect analogy.
Danny Price: I think you can, there's stuff like that where I think it's like a cult classic where you're not promoting that necessarily. Like everyone should be watching this. You're just like, this is, this was a big thing when I was a kid. This is a good analogy.
Danny Price: I don't think that was bad.
shane: Yeah, good. Yeah, like,
Danny Price: It's almost like using the Shining or something.
shane: yeah like
Danny Price: um don't know what you would use with that. But it's in the same kind of thread. um
shane: Yeah, I didn't feel like I was talking about. Well, and then, you know, I think it was just like, if you put it all together, i didn't even think it, but there was a lot of what could be considered risque for church, right? I had that.
Danny Price: Totally.
shane: I talked about pornography. I talked about that WAP song. I talked, so so I definitely hit on a lot of stuff that might be considered risque, but I kind of feel like, you know, that we got to look at this culture that we're living in and that we just kind of act like it's just part of what is okay, you know?
Danny Price: Oh, yeah. I know.
Danny Price: yeah yeah no totally i yeah i want to talk more about some of that stuff but i there's a fine line between i think if you're like for example swearing from the stage and there's a certain like formality and like reverence you want to have with church but i also think that talking about current things like that in a appropriate way, which you did, i don't think is, you're calling people out on that kind stuff.
Danny Price: And Paul does that too. He's not, he talks about orgies and all kinds of stuff, you know, that's not politically correct to talk about, but he's doing it for the sake of calling it out, not just like talking about it casually.
shane: Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
Danny Price: So.
shane: yeah
Danny Price: um
shane: yeah
Danny Price: Anyways, yeah, I do have some questions about some of that stuff in the later verses. So we'll get into that later. But yeah, no, you definitely, it's it's hard. And I think I would struggle with this too, if I was ever teaching, is when you have a huge, that's a huge slew of stuff to cover between verse 17 and 32. Like that's a lot of stuff. So it's, kind you try to do it all, you're not going to get to go into deep into anything. So you kind of have to pick.
shane: yeah
Danny Price: So anyways. um Kind of jumping into that, um my my first question that I had was, can you further explain what sensuality is?
Danny Price: um And then it talks about impurity, and I want you to go into more of that. I'll ask that so that question later, I guess. But just first of all, just explain what is sensuality and what does it mean when he says that?
shane: Well, sensuality basically means that any man named... is for the physical pleasure, the physical, like, um temporary pleasures, you know, so,
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: for um so there's not necessarily anything wrong with, having sensual pleasure, but that shouldn't be what we, we shouldn't be seeking after it.
shane: You know, like you can experience a sensual pleasure and there's nothing wrong with it, but it shouldn't be what our, our goal is.
Danny Price: yeah
shane: It shouldn't be what our, are where, what is on our mind, like that we're constantly looking for it, but, but it, you know, you're going to experience it.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Um, but, but it shouldn't be.
Danny Price: Yeah, he says they have given themselves up to sensuality. Like, it's like, i that's all I care about now.
shane: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like i'm just I'm just seeking the now, what's going to make me feel good now. So honestly, it doesn't have to be sexual.
shane: It can literally be, um honestly, the way our phones work with the you know the dopamine hits we get when when they ding and everything.
Danny Price: The algorithm.
shane: That's a central pleasure. We're were we seeking to be pleased, have us have a ah um just a momentary feeling of
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: of pleasure
Danny Price: Yep. Yep. I mean, you could, it's a little different, but food, I mean, kind of gluttony, I guess.
shane: Oh, yeah.
Danny Price: Like, yeah, you're just like laziness.
shane: food Food essential pleasures. Yep.
Danny Price: Yeah. Okay.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: I think a lot of people think of it as like a sexual thing of like, but which it does talk about, which I'm going I am going to get into.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: So it talks about impurity. So I'm just going to read this verse, just for those of you listening. So we're in Ephesians. This is chapter four, verse 19. um and It says they have given they have become callous and have given themselves themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity.
Danny Price: um What kinds of impurities, what kinds of stuff was in that culture at the time? And is there any parallel to what we're facing now in terms of impurity?
Danny Price: Or is it totally different now?
shane: Um, no, it's very, a lot of parallels. I mean, there was a lot of sexual pleasures that they were seeking after. Um, you know, I mean, sexual sin has been basically around since the fall of man, you know, I mean, they we, we take what God made for good and we, we turn it for evil.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: So, um, there was a lot of that. um there was, you know, treating slaves badly. You know, the slaves was a, you know, different culture than thing than it is now, but there were still people that, not now, but I mean, when we had slavery here in the United States, um and yet there were still people who, um they were abusive to slaves, you know, um there which even for a sensual pleasure, um there were men who pretty much enslaved
Danny Price: yeah
shane: you know, use their female slaves and young male slaves for sexual pleasures. Um, there was, uh, you know, uh,
Danny Price: Hmm. Yeah. Hmm.
shane: you can You pretty much, you name it. I mean, like you just said, I mean, even gluttony, slothfulness, you know, I mean, there's it's pretty much everything that we experience now as far as essential pleasure. We just come up with new ways of doing it.
shane: You know, there's not that's that that whole thing.
Danny Price: yeah
shane: You know, there's nothing new under the sun. There's just kind of and new advanced ways of getting it.
Danny Price: Yeah, right. Interesting. um
Danny Price: And so as far as like parallels, you would say we're still experiencing the same things. It's just with technology, it's easier. And you kind of start to get into that, which I am going to talk about phones. um Would you say that it's easier now than it was then to kind of fall into sensuality?
Danny Price: Or do you think it it's just, it's innocent. It's all wrong. We're going to fall into that at some point.
shane: No, I think it's easier now because you can keep things in the dark easier.
Danny Price: What,
shane: You can keep things hidden, right? I mean, um what is brought to light is, you know, God judges and we we are able, we're convicted in that. But
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um let's just take sexual sin. Back in those days to have... to commit real sexual sin. I mean, obviously a person could lust in their mind and of thing, but to really get into, dig into deep central pleasure, sexual pleasures, you would have to commit them with another person.
shane: Um, so, you know, now you're, you're not able to do it.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: It's just so much easier now, right? We, we, we can just get that much easier, even gluttony, right?
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: I mean, you can be the poorest of the poor and be a glutton now. Um, in fact, it's the worst foods that make you ah get you addicted are literally aimed at the poor.
Danny Price: Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh.
shane: Um, you know, salty, fatty processed foods, right?
Danny Price: Uh-huh.
shane: So,
Danny Price: No, it's true. It's accurate.
shane: So whatever central pleasures you want to seek after, they're just so right at our fingertips now compared to the way they have been really honestly up until probably within the last two centuries. um But
Danny Price: Oh, even then, yeah, I've eaten less.
shane: Yeah. Yeah. Even, even sooner. I'm trying not to be too hard on our times, but yeah, you know, but, but yeah, I mean, even really, if you want to say the last 50 years, really, I mean, it's, it's just nuts compared to the way it's been up, up to, you know, and the last 10 years, even more than that.
Danny Price: get Doomsday, yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: That's fair.
Danny Price: That's fair. That's fair. um I did want to mention to our listeners, we're not going to be talking about anything explicit, but this might not be the the most child-friendly episode.
shane: Yeah, let's sit and watch and listen to your kids.
Danny Price: Just because I'm just like listening to us let's talk about some of this stuff. We're not going to be explicit, but I do just want to throw that out there. If your young kids are listening, we'll be respectful, but still.
shane: I promise not to be any more explicit than i am explicit than I am on Sundays, and I warn parents all the time, like, hey, we have a kid's program for a reason.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah. And young anyways, actually, I to talk about that now, actually. um So my third question that I had was for individuals. and you know and I guess for individuals, might be an asterisk of individuals and so couples.
Danny Price: And then for parents, um how would you recommend starting the journey of stewarding your phones well with purity? um What is the best way to do that?
shane: yeah
Danny Price: um so there's two I guess there's two avenues I want to go through. Maybe first, let's just talk about individuals slash couple married couples. you know Let's say you're a single person or you're married.
Danny Price: What are the ways that you steward that well with purity with your phone? And then we'll talk about parents later.
shane: Well, as individuals, I mean, i definitely think, you know, setting time limits, setting times where your phone goes off, making rules for yourself that you're accountable to.
shane: um, you know, on what you're um allowed, allow yourself to look at what you use your phone for. um I think things like fasting from social media or just not having it, honestly, unless you have a work purpose for it, I would, I would,
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: i I would argue that 90% of people that don't, if there's not a real purpose for their work, like a legitimate purpose, they would be better off if they had zero social media.
shane: But, you know, I understand that a lot of people aren't going to do that. um But, you know, and then I believe for most people, Men in particular, i think it's good to have some sort of accountability software with um when it comes to porn.
shane: um Even if it's not a problem that's pervasive for you, there's still a good chance that there's the temptation's always there.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: you know And I know for me, just having the software that I know somebody is going to see anything I look at, it just it just takes the temptation and away from me.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: No, i I would agree with that. um
shane: So.
Danny Price: There's different ones out there. i think i think I have the same one as you. I've had it forever um since before getting married, but it's called Covenant Eyes. ah it They charge you like 15 bucks a month or something like that, but it's a small price to pay for just the added security.
shane: Yeah. And then, hey, real quick, going to plug one because I'm actually looking at changing over to called ever accountable. um, that my buddy has been using and I get his reports and I, so far I, I like it better and he feels like he likes it better too.
Danny Price: How interesting.
shane: It doesn't cause any problems with his, um, his, uh, browser. Like, you know, covenant eyes sometimes will cause problems.
Danny Price: oh Well, yeah, those softwares run on a VPN, which, yeah.
shane: Yeah. VPN. So this one doesn't, he hasn't had any problems with it. He's been running for like a year. yeah.
Danny Price: That's cool. I'll look into that too.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah. I, again, like I liked what you said and I want to just reiterate that for those people listening. If you're a a guy and even if you're a girl, sometimes, I mean, it's, this isn't necessarily gendered, but you're,
shane: Yeah, so it's definitely a temptation for some women too.
Danny Price: you're not necessarily saying, Hey, I'm a porn addict by downloading the software. Maybe you are, maybe you're in desperate need of some help, but like Shane said, it's just, it's such an extra level of just like you're, you're setting yourself up for success and it's not, it's, i don't know, 15 bucks a month.
Danny Price: I mean, it's just to have that and your spouse has that added security.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: You have the added security. You just know, Hey, you know what? Like it's not even an option for me. I'm not going to look at stuff. Um, as many guardrails as you can set up for yourself in this specific area of your life, I would say is huge.
Danny Price: ah
shane: Yep. Yeah, I think especially in...
Danny Price: And that's not to say you're you're not going to, it's not going to prevent you from lusting. like i still Like I still struggle with that. Like it's not a ah prevention, but it is a, it's a huge help.
shane: Yeah, sure.
Danny Price: ah
shane: Well, it helps you, you know, you know, your lust is going to stop at a certain point. If you have that, it's not, yeah otherwise the enemy uses those things and tempts you to just take, Oh, just one more thing.
shane: One more thing, one more thing, you know, and you know, so I'm a huge, and you know, young guys, I would say, man, the sooner you can start it, the better.
Danny Price: Yeah, that's so accurate.
Danny Price: Yeah. um
shane: You know, I guess, you know, to answer the overall question you had, the original question was how do you recommend starting the journey of purity?
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: It's the journey of doing the hard things. You know, I mean, the truth is, you know, i'm go talk to talk about that about in marriage, you know, this week that it's just a matter, you got to decide, um ah do I want to do hard things to create a new life or do I want to keep living in my own life?
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: You know, and is and how's that working for me?
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: You know, um
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: and a new life, it does require doing hard things. It requires being intentional, you know, and, um, you know, some people, there's a lot of people in our church probably who need a new marriage.
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: Doesn't mean they need a new spouse, but you know, they, they need to work on a new, a new marriage, you know?
Danny Price: Hmm.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Um, so, so anyway, little plug for next week.
Danny Price: I would agree.
Danny Price: No, that's a good word. And I would also throw in there with this specifically with like sexual purity on your phones and stuff. If you're, if you're single and you're listening to this, this should be something you're talking about with the person you're dating way before you get married.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: Um, Don't go through all your dating and get engaged and then marry someone and never have a conversation of, hey, have you ever struggled with porn? Hey, do you have something on your phone that'll prevent you? Or would you be open to getting it if I, you know, if we found a way to do that?
Danny Price: This is stuff that you don't want to get two, three, four years down the road of marriage and and all of a sudden find out, oh, this has been a thing all along and we just have never and it's never, but we never had the uncomfortable conversation of bringing it up.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: Um,
shane: And I will just say for dads of daughters who are going married, Danny can vouch for this. I think you need to have the conversation with a guy that is thinking of marrying your daughter and ask him what his situation with pornography is. um
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: I don't think that's... I think that's your job as a dad is to, is to protect that.
Danny Price: Totally. Totally.
shane: And, and then if he says he doesn't have a problem with it, then I would ask like, well, are you cool with putting the software on and offering to pay for it? If you, if it's a financial thing and saying, Hey, let me make me an accountability partner and, you know, and being vulnerable yourself too.
shane: And saying, Hey, you know, You know, it's it's a little bit of struggle for me, even if it's not struggle, but at least to just say, I have this to, to help myself and maybe we could be ah accountability partners, whatever it takes, but, but don't, you need to protect your daughters in that too.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah, no I would definitely agree with that. A little bit, kind of you kind of touched on that. When it comes to like time on your phone, you mentioned like time marking time out for things. i don't know if people know that you can do this, but You can go on, especially iPhone, I'm not sure about Android, um but you can mark out time for certain types of apps. Like I'm gonna play games for 20 minutes a day or I'm gonna be on social media apps for and whatever it is. You can set time limits.
Danny Price: ah And you can also set downtime. Like I have downtime on my phone. I can access like my calendar and a couple of things that are like essential for work. Um, but after, but from between the hours of eight, it's in the evening. So I do and This is for me just cause I want to set my evenings apart, but like after 8 PM, I don't have any access to that. And before 8 AM, I don't have any access to that stuff. So that way I'm not like on my phone at night, just like playing video games or scrolling through social media, um,
Danny Price: I would recommend doing that just to like set yourself aside some time and block it off. Otherwise it kind of takes over your life. And then I've been seeing, um i don't know shame if you've seen these. I've, I keep seeing them on my social, my social media, of course.
Danny Price: um There are these ads for, it's like literally like a little, like a key card with a little like chip in it and you can touch it on your phone and it'll lock your phone.
shane: yeah
Danny Price: Have you seen those?
shane: Wow. No.
Danny Price: So um you can set up the way that it you that that it works with different ways. But basically, like someone like your spouse can like lock your phone. can be like, hey, I'm going just be done with it. And it'll what it'll do is it'll it doesn't like shut it off, but it just blocks certain... whatever You can set it up how you want it, but you block, like I'm going to be done with...
Danny Price: you know, all my social media and whatever. ah So if like the physicality of it is like, you can like literally lock it and give the key to your spouse and go, going to be done with this for the day or whatever. And then that way it's like, can't even do it if you wanted to.
shane: um
Danny Price: So it costs like 20 bucks or something like that.
shane: That's cool. All right.
Danny Price: It's interesting.
shane: ae
Danny Price: um Now shifting a little bit more to parents.
Danny Price: you I mean, I know your personal peeve on this, and which you talked about, and you kind of stepped aside and said, this is like this is Shane talking, not necessarily Pastor Shane talking. What do you think about parents um and the way that they should help their kids who have undeveloped prefrontal cortexes um steward their phones?
shane: Yeah, I think, one, parents need to decide, are they going to give into culture or they going to seek to be biblical in how they raise their kids? And i quite frankly, and I know people disagree with me on this, I think most parents, and even in the church, are just giving into culture.
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: They're not really... They don't really have a good biblical reasons why they're letting 12, 13 year olds have full access on phones. They do it because they, mostly it comes down to honestly, the arguments of it's, it's just too much work.
Danny Price: What are the arguments but the arguments that you hear? I'm curious.
shane: it or one parent totally agrees but the other doesn't and you know um you you do get some people yeah you do get some yeah 100 um you do get some people who try to use the argument of you know it's safer for their kids you know like yeah you know to get a hold of them you know what we grew up or you know i that's a whole other thing i won't go into it but
Danny Price: Talk about this stuff before you get married.
Danny Price: Oh.
shane: and But my argument there is, okay, get them one of those, get them a gab phone and get them a phone that literally can just, ah there's even more basic phones than that that just call the, you know, 10 numbers.
Danny Price: so Totally.
shane: So, but the idea that they need a smartphone, I have yet to give me a parent who's given me an argument other than quite frankly, they don't want to do the hard work and they, they don't want to make their kid,
Danny Price: Totally.
shane: feel bad. And I'm sorry.
Danny Price: yeah
shane: i i know I'm probably going to bug some people. I think it's hard. I don't care if my kid feels bad.
Danny Price: yeah yeah right
shane: I mean, not about the right right things. My job is to raise them in Christ. And that means I'm going to challenge them to do things. I'm going to push them. I'm gonna i know i'm also going to hug them. I'm gonna love them. I'm gonna come alongside them. I'm gonna let them know all those things. are got It takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of effort. you know But Angie, who she still does not have a smartphone. she has ah well She has a Pixel smartphone that I have the full control over.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: you know, no internet, no social media, none of that. There's times that really, she hates it and she does cry, but then she's also had many times where she thanks me that she doesn't have an addiction to her phone.
shane: She comes home from her friend's house and thanks me sometimes that, that, you know, she sees the way they are, you know, and she doesn't want it even though, but she knows she doesn't have the strength to not be that way on her own.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: And that's my job is to be that for her. So
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: um You know, i I think, you know, Danny, we've talked a little bit about, you know, this is a big thing, but, you know, you were blessed to be raised in ah and a Christ-following home.
shane: um Hannah and David were blessed to be raised in a Christ-following home.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: and And so it now doesn't mean I didn't, you know, Tanya and I didn't, and your parents didn't make mistakes, but we really did our best ah to raise you in that way.
shane: Well, man, so now you have a head start on anyone that at your age is becoming a Christian, right? And so the more you can keep that, guard yourself the from getting far out there, the but the easier it is. and that And that means even with your kids, once you once you give those things to your kids, you you get taken them back as a whole Another thing.
shane: So I just really believe in, in guarding them.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Now I do think, I think we've decided at 15, we are going to let Angie have a ah smartphone, but even then I'm going to put all the, I'm going to do all the things you just talked about.
Danny Price: Yeah. Yep.
shane: She's, you know, she's not going to be able to have an inner room by herself. Um, Um, you know, she's, I'm going to, if she, if I find her with a hidden social media account, which most kids have, um, you know, but if I find it with her, her with it, you know, she'll, she'll get, it'll be taken away, all all that kind of stuff.
Danny Price: yep
shane: So, you know, got it.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: I just believe we got to guard them until they're old enough to start thinking, sorry, I'm not, I knew that was, you knew that's a soapbox for me.
Danny Price: Totally. Totally. No.
shane: So.
Danny Price: No, I know it is, but I think it's worth saying all that stuff. um Yeah, and and I would encourage parents to, as someone, again, this is, a'm I'm at a weird spot because I grew up with kind of before it really all hit.
Danny Price: um There were smartphones, but it was kind of not a real mainstream thing until I was like a senior in high school or so. And then iPhone and all that stuff like really, really blew up and it started becoming like everyone had it. But I mean, I had a dumb flip phone until I was 18, I think.
Danny Price: ah
shane: Yeah. Yep.
Danny Price: And then got a smartphone. If it's a issue of getting ahold of your kid, you can easily get ahold of your kid with a flip phone.
shane: ye
Danny Price: You don't need to have a smartphone. And then if and if it's an issue of, like Shane was saying, if it's an issue of, well, then my kids are going to feel left out and they're going to be sad that all their friends have this. It's like, yeah, well, Think about all the things that you're, there's all these things that your, your kids peers are going to be doing that are unhealthy for them. They're terrible for them.
Danny Price: You cannot have the logic of, well, they'll be sad. Like Shane was saying, well, they'll be sad because I don't, they're not going to fit in. You're not going to fit in. You're a Christian. You're different. Like it's okay not to fit in in some capacities.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: Um,
shane: And, and saying you trust your 12 or 13 year old to not make those bad choices just because you've raised them, right? You've raised Sam, right? So far to three years old, but,
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: you still would not put cookies in a room with him by himself, right where he could get to him and say, and say, well, I trust him.
Danny Price: That were poisoned.
shane: I trust him to not make bad choices.
Danny Price: Poisoned cookies.
shane: No, that's your fault.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: If he eats those cookies, that's not his fault. Now you might still punish him, but you knew he was going to do it. So it's your, you know, and, and that's, we're, we're giving these kids, we're saying, Hey, you, you know, I trust you.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Well, you're, you're being dumb to trust them. And that's not their fault.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: They don't have the capacity to to make those wise choices.
Danny Price: Yeah. No, 100%.
shane: ah
Danny Price: ah And then i would also say, i don't have the time, and I guess I could. i should have done this before the episode. If you are curious, even the littlest bit, about what phones do to you, especially at a young age,
Danny Price: just spend 20 minutes Googling studies, Googling.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: And this isn't, this is stuff that's been around long enough now that they can actually start to see some of this stuff. It's really interesting.
shane: Yep. Yeah.
Danny Price: I mean, you see anything come out, any new, whatever it is, red dye 40 or whatever.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: And it takes a second for them to start to get to what it actually does to you because for a while they don't have any way to track anything because there's no,
shane: yeah
Danny Price: There's no studies that actually have... But now we've had phones and technology and social media and all this stuff long enough where all these studies are starting to come out. And it will shock you. Shane listed a couple on the sermon, but it's if you're trying to make the argument that it's good for them or it's not that addicting or all this stuff, I mean, it's nuts.
shane: ye
Danny Price: So I'll let you guys do that on your own time if you're listening. I don't want to...
shane: Yeah, we go.
Danny Price: um
shane: This could be three episodes, though.
Danny Price: I know this could be a three episode thing, so we'll move on.
shane: yeah
Danny Price: um But yeah, please do that. We're moving on to a slightly similar topic, but I'm curious um how, so it talks about, um you know, giving that, giving yourself up to all this stuff and putting off the old man instead of, you know, that it says in verse 20, but that is not the way that you learn Christ.
Danny Price: And then it goes goes off to say in verse 22, to put off your old self, right? which belongs to your former man manner of life and is corrupt with deceitful desires, all this stuff. And then again, it it continues on.
Danny Price: um When it comes to media, like the media that we consume, um and I'm not even talking about social media, I'm talking about everything.
Danny Price: Should we be cutting out certain types of media as part of our transformation from the old man into the new man, kind of as being part of the kind of salt and light to the world, so to speak? Or should we be living separate? Or is it OK to watch certain types of media that are a little bit risque or impure?
Danny Price: um Because we're not actually taking part in it. We're just watching it. Talk about that a little bit. What do you think about media?
shane: Wow, thats that's a tough one for me. um i think you got to follow your conviction. um But I will say the closer I personally walk with Christ, the more i get convicted about different media I watch, you know, or different media I take in whether be music I listen to or shows I watch. I mean, you know me, I like, um I love hard rock.
shane: Um, eighties hard rock was pretty much the most hedonistic music you're gonna, you know, it's all about self, all about fun and all that.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: But, Um, I do notice, man, that there are times where I'm like, even if it's just background and I like the beat or whatever, there's times I'm like, man, that just bugs me sometimes, you know?
shane: So, you know, um, am I ever going to dog on someone for listening to it every now and then?
Danny Price: yeah
shane: Nope. You know, um,
Danny Price: Yeah. Yeah.
shane: shoot, there are South Park episodes I think are hilarious. um
Danny Price: yeah
shane: But, you know, I definitely go like, yeah, no, don't need to be watching South Park as a regular part of my my diet. um
Danny Price: yeah
shane: You know, ah there's because there's plenty that I'm like, whoa, that's way, way out of line. um So, you know, I think you just have to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit and how he guides you.
shane: um You know, and I think we're all struggling with different things. So those you know, there are certain things that might convict somebody and other things that someone who's walking just as closely with the Lord wouldn't be convicted in that specific area, you know?
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: So, yeah, I just, I think the key is, you know, watching what we put in front of our eyes and our ears, you know?
Danny Price: Yeah. And I do like how you talked about this at the beginning of this episode of if you're taking stuff away, you should be replacing it with other stuff.
Danny Price: Um,
Danny Price: I don't think anyone would advocate that you shouldn't consume any media at all. I think that consuming media is fine. It's what you're consuming.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: And I would say there are so many good shows. There's so much good music. There's so much good stuff that's out there that you can fill your time with and still be and amused and entertained without dulling your values. I guess if if you know with those with your values, dulling your
Danny Price: purity, I guess. um this is like ah This is like one of those things where it's like,
Danny Price: Yeah, sure. Some of the mainstream music and mainstream media and TV shows are done better because there's a budget. I'm not saying we you should only listen to K-Love all the time and listen and watch pure flicks.
Danny Price: Those of you who know what that stuff is.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that there's better. Sometimes there's better so there's better choices that you can make that does does does that means filling your time with other stuff. um Not necessarily becoming like a monk and going, I'm not going to watch anything.
Danny Price: And I think for a lot of people, that's a very common... Um, it's the way we think about things. It's because we it's so much easier to be like, I'm just done with all music.
Danny Price: Or I'm just like, when you broke all your records or all all your CDs when you were younger, cause you were done with music.
shane: yeah
Danny Price: It's so much easier to go like, I'm just done and just cut it all out. it Cut it all out as opposed to look at it from a perspective of, hold on I'm just going to start making better decisions. What should I be filling in my time with, or what should I be filling my amusement with instead?
Danny Price: Um, And there are, because there's there's great things out there and it doesn't have to be the most boring things or the, you know, or or just Kayla forever. I mean, you can listen to other music. It's just finding better options, I guess.
shane: Yeah, I will push a little bit, though, that I do just for those that may be going through this. I do think there is times to purge or there are times of purge, you know, like me and my music thing.
Danny Price: True, true.
shane: um You know, I definitely had to do that. I totally believe at that point in my life, I was so steeped in it. there I just, I didn't have the power to make the good choices, right? it's kind of almost like a diet.
shane: Like your goal is not to be someone who can't ever be around a cookie, right?
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: Your goal is to be able to be around a cookie and go, well, maybe, maybe tomorrow I'll have a cookie. I don't need it right now, you know? And, um, you know, same, same thing goes with, I think media, like, you know, depending on where you're at with it.
shane: So if you are that person who's like, man, I'm really feeling like God's called me to do that.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: He probably is. And you should probably purge it, but, but just know that's probably not gonna be the rest of your life.
Danny Price: Yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah. Don't let me walk the Holy spirit back from actually, you really don't need to, you're fine.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: I guess I'm just mean more fill yourself.
shane: Yeah. No, yeah.
Danny Price: Like once, once there's that void, you don't have to just continue to let that, like you can fill that void with good things.
shane: Yep.
shane: Yeah. and And wisdom is key.
Danny Price: Um,
shane: Wisdom is key.
Danny Price: Yeah. And that's hard too. Cause again, this is a secondary thing. This is like you said, up for debate in terms of like your conscience and certain beliefs. Cause I think some people would say like, you're not even, you're not a real Christian unless all you watch is little house in the prairie. And even that's a little bit like, o you know, and where there's others, other people that would be like, well, what you what are you talking about? Like, it's okay to watch these certain TV shows as long as there's no what, you know, whatever it is. Um,
Danny Price: There's going to be debate amongst Christians, and I think it's okay to differ a little bit on these on these things, as long as in your mind you're you're you're flexible and malleable enough to Scripture where you're not just like, well, there's no way that the Holy Spirit would be calling me to stop watching this, like because I like watching this, so there's no way.
shane: Yeah. Yep.
Danny Price: It's like, well...
shane: yeah
Danny Price: you're kind of closed off to scripture then because you're not even letting yourself be be changed.
shane: yep
Danny Price: um Cool. that was That was a good answer. I was just trying to figure out where you felt with that. um Next question we have came in from one of our listeners um from Dan Richardson. And it this is the question.
Danny Price: um i kind of summarize it a little bit. Yeah.
Danny Price: I'm going to read it verbatim here. Paul contrasts the hopelessness of worldly living with the renewal of the mind of Christ beyond prayer and devotion. What practical disciplines can help believers in quotes, put on the new man and live differently.
shane: um i ah
Danny Price: What would you, what would you say?
shane: i would I would honestly say anything in the spiritual disciplines area helps that. um you know And I recommend um definitely books on spiritual disciplines. um What's his face?
shane: I can't remember his name now. Wrote um The Life You've Always Wanted. And then um is it yeah and then um he's he's ah basically a disciple of the main spiritual disciplines.
Danny Price: John Ortberg.
Danny Price: Dallas Willard.
shane: Who?
Danny Price: Dallas Willard.
shane: Yeah, Dallas Willard wrote Spiritual Disciplines and and both, you know, but any any book like that, I recommend reading of just the different disciplines that help us grow, you know. And um reading and prayer are mentioned so much because they're so...
shane: It's so easy to make a daily committed time of those, you know, to say, hey, I'm going take 15, 20, 30 minutes a day and devote to that.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um But I think accountability is a huge thing. Fellowship is huge thing. Having actual spiritual discussions like this.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um You know, I mean, that's why I love Sunday coming home and going, okay, you know, based on the sermon, what's, what are, what's some feedback, what's some things that we can discuss or dig into, or how do we feel about it?
shane: And, you know, and our family will spend 30 minutes to an hour and a half kind of debating and talking about spiritual issues, you know, and, um,
Danny Price: yeah yeah
shane: I think, you know, we, that, that's a huge thing for believers. um You know, fasting um can be big. You know I fast from other things. Like we're talking about social media a lot.
shane: I fast from social media. I'll fast from music, um things like that, that sometimes I just like, yeah, I don't need to be doing that.
Danny Price: and
shane: So I'm gonna take a week and not listen any music. or I'm going to take a, you week and not have any social media. um But I, being a part of the church, serving all the, all these things actually do help us.
shane: put off our old self and put on our new man, you know, like serving, you might not think it does, but it makes you for a period of time, especially if you pray about it and you go into it with the right heart and right attitude, not just like checking a box, but like, God, I'm here to serve you.
shane: It gives you specific times where you come into the mindset of like, I my life is not about just what I want. My life has bigger purpose. God has purpose for me. I'm a servant of his. I'm a part of his kingdom. And, you know, there's so many things ways that we put on our new self and these disciplines all kind of lead to it.
Danny Price: Yeah. Hmm. That's interesting. What do you think about, how do I, how do I phrase this? I'm trying to figure out how I not, not to sound confusing.
Danny Price: Is there an, an element of just relying on God a little bit and because your willpower will only take you so far, um Because I mean, where's the verse? Good grief. um I hate myself for doing this. Um, I hate, cause I always think of this stuff on the fly and it's never, and I don't have the the reference where it says that God will see is the good work. He started in you to into completion.
Danny Price: I don't know where that is. It's in the Bible. Just trust me on it. Um, it might be, it probably is.
shane: Isn't it in Philippians?
Danny Price: Um, that sounds accurate. Um, hold on I'm ah sorry for my keyboard guys. I'm going to look this up. Um,
shane: Look up Philippians 1. That's it.
shane: I'll look it up while you
Danny Price: I'm looking it up. Yep. Philippians 1.6. I should have trusted you.
shane: Not necessarily.
Danny Price: um Philippians 1.6. Let me read this. Actually, no, I'm just goingnna read through this this little bit. I thank God. This is so Paul talking to Philippians, which, by the way, the Philippians are like crushing it. So Philippians is just such a happy letter to read because he loves them.
Danny Price: um Not like the Corinthians at all. um It says, I thank God in all my rememberance remembrance of you, always in every prayer of mine for you, all making... Hold on. Always in every prayer of mine for you, all making my prayer with joy. Good grief. Sorry, I can't read right now. um Verse five, because of you, your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, and I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Danny Price: And then he goes on. The point is, is there an element of Jesus doing some of the work for you in terms of like the new man, like you're surrendering to him? Or is it just like a thing of willpower? Because I'm afraid of people who are just like, I just have to want it more and just will myself into the into the new man.
Danny Price: where it kind of is a work of God. Like you can't, you should be working for it, towards it, not for it, like not working for your salvation, but working for this like sanctification, but it's not, it's not all up to you. Is that right? how How do you feel about that? Well, like juggling those thoughts up.
shane: Yeah, I mean, I don't... So I guess my thing is, I don't think it's working towards it when we're actually doing what he calls us to do.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: That's just being obedient. And obedience is what opens our heart up to God working in our...
Danny Price: Hmm.
shane: doing that work. So, you know, reading the Bible, reading reading his word, praying...
Danny Price: It's a good quote.
shane: it's not, it's not a work. It really is a, it's a way of just saying, okay, God, like, like when I go to read the Bible saying, okay, God, I want you to so please speak to me through this. Show me what, show me what you want. Like opening his word and saying, like, how many times do we open up God's Bible?
shane: I mean, open up God's word and kind of, and truly go, okay, like, this is the word of God. God, like, and picture, like, God is across from me speaking to me these words right now, you know?
Danny Price: yeah
shane: Because when we open ourselves up like that, that is allowing him to do the work and even going to serve, right? Like if you're serving like, oh, the more I serve, the happier God's going be with me.
Danny Price: yeah
shane: then you're right. Then you're just working. But if you serve going, i get to go and do, do work that pleases my, my Lord, I get to go and, and, and be closer into his presence because I'm, I'm serving his purposes.
shane: And, then i Then I believe you're all you're really doing is opening yourself up for God to continue doing that work in you. I don't think abiding in Christ or ah waiting on God to work means just locking yourself in a room somewhere and hoping eventually God just does what he's supposed to do in you.
Danny Price: Yeah. Interesting. I like that. That quote that you had about obedience. I didn't actually write it down, but i but I like that about just being obedient to God.
Danny Price: think it's really important that our yeah We always talk about this, but that are, you know, you're once you're saved, it's kind of, you're sealed, it's done. But then the journey doesn't just stop there at salvation. It continues on. And there's there's an obedience that starts to take place where you're not just, you're not doing it to be saved. You're doing it to walk in obedience because of what Christ did in you.
shane: Yeah. Yeah.
Danny Price: So really good question, Dan, by the way. i really love that.
shane: yeah
Danny Price: Because that is, it that's a that's the challenge, right? Is how do you become the new man and put off the old man? Um, next question that I had, what does it mean to speak truth to your neighbor?
Danny Price: Is that just talking about just not telling lies? Is that talking about something else? What does that mean?
shane: Now, I think Paul's going back to the oneness aspect there. and And we don't have oneness unless we're actually willing to say hard things. We don't have oneness unless we're willing to have the discussion when we know it needs to be had.
shane: um yeah we we can't You you can't be unified when you're silently just accepting or tolerating things.
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: um yeah Unity comes, I think, through you know, um reproof and from, you know, saying, speaking our mind, you know, because otherwise eventually it just becomes a bitterness or a wedge, you know, all that. So I think it's not just not lying. it It really is so actually speaking those truths.
Danny Price: yeah
shane: You know, like as just an example, when our we yeah we just started doing this in our shepherd meeting, We always kind of have a plot spot where we've kind of always just said, hey, if you have any feedback, right? Right. does anyone have any feedback of anything going on?
shane: But recently I just said, hey, you know what I'd prefer if this wasn't just a, hey, let's let's just have feedback. this is a This is a time of if it's on your mind, it gets it comes on the table right now.
shane: Like there is no, there is no, well, I've actually been thinking about this for four months. No, no, we meet once a month for this kind of stuff.
Danny Price: and
shane: So it's on the table right now. where're We're not, we don't want to hear that there was an issue later. So, you know, just kind of that mindset of like, Like it, you know, cause if you just say, does anyone have any feedback? A lot of times people will just go, well, you know, it's not that big of a deal. And we let it pass, but this mindset of like, no, we want, we've got to be one, you know, if we're going to lead this church, we, yeah we, we have to be unified in that. And that means if we've got to duke it out a little bit and we got to, you know, wrestle with hard things for a while and then we got to do it, you know?
shane: I don't know if that answers it, but.
Danny Price: Hmm. ah No, I like that. That's an interesting concept. Um, cause I think this is my tendency. And I think most people's tendency is if you're bothered by something, it's harder to go seek someone and talk about it and be truthful.
Danny Price: It's easier to let it to stew on it. And I think this works in relationships too, like with marriage. And then all of a sudden something triggers it and the whole thing explodes. Um, Guys, I think, are good at this. I don't think it's necessarily a gender thing. I know guys are good at it, at suppressing emotion.
Danny Price: But yeah, i I like that you do that. I wonder if there's other area arenas of life that I could kind of steal that for. um Because I think it think it's it's better to talk about it and get it out there and just like, all right, let's deal with it, rather than, i don't know, just let things slide for so long, and then all of a sudden, it just like comes out of nowhere.
shane: Yeah, well, i'll you I know one way you could do it. yeah ill I'm going to plug. um Hannah told me about the marriage journal that you guys do.
shane: I think it's literally called this the marriage journal.
Danny Price: It is called the Merge Journal.
shane: Yeah. And so Tanya and I started doing it. We're on our like seventh week. And that's one of the questions, right? Is, is there anything between us?
Danny Price: Yep.
shane: You know, and I love it because it makes every week it's to sit down like, Hey, is, is there anything we need to go? And Tanya and I have had, you know, we're only seven weeks in and we probably had about three of the weeks where it's meant like, okay, well, we've got to have a two hour discussion this week at some point, you know?
Danny Price: Yeah, no, it's done that for me and Hannah too.
shane: yeah.
Danny Price: That's good.
shane: Yeah. So I love that. That's a great read. Maybe next week I can talk a little bit. bit In fact, you know what? You got to remind me. I'm going bring that up um in my in the sermon this week.
Danny Price: in the sermon, the marriage journal. No, it's good.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: I think, I don't know who gave it to, it might've been my mom. I can't remember who gave it to us, but someone gave it to us when we got married. i think it was my mom. I can't remember. um We have not finished it. We've done probably like 30 weeks or something like that, but it's one of those things that Hannah loves and she loves to do it because she loves that time. And then I forget and,
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: but move we move on because pretty much I just, ah we just lose time, and lose track of stuff.
shane: Cause you're a loser.
Danny Price: So it's tough. Anyways, I like that.
shane: Yep. I get it.
Danny Price: Last question really quick as we're getting a little late. What is corrupting talk? What is corrupting talk? um The verse it says, this verse, this is again, chapter four, verse 29. Let no corrupting talk come out of your malice, but only such as is good for building up as fits the occasion that it may give grace to those who hear.
Danny Price: Other versions say, Instead of corrupting, like NIV says unwholesome, NLT says foul and abusive. um there's I'm looking through most of the versions. Most of them say some kind of version of unwholesome or some kind of corrupt.
Danny Price: What does that mean exactly? Is that dirty jokes? Is that cruel speech? what What is your take on that? What is what is corrupting talk?
shane: Well, I go back to, i always say the number, the number one thing talk wise, I think we need to work on is in the church is gossip, you know? um And I, you know, that's definitely corrupting talk, but you know, I know it says abusive in other, like said, one version, um, foul, um,
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: So I would also think, you know, I've always interpreted it as anything that is at all going to cause harm to someone around me without a purpose.
Danny Price: Mm-hmm.
shane: Like, like, let's just say in my sermons, right? I can be kind of coarse in the sermons, but I don't think that's a problem as long as it's for a purpose. Like we were talking about earlier, right?
shane: But if it's, if it's just to do something that
Danny Price: For wow factor, shock value.
shane: could hurt yeah for wow factor could hurt someone's feelings could um could make them you know um yeah just feel bad about themselves whatever then i you know i think we need to watch it because then what does he what does he say right after that but only what is um for building each other up right isn't that what he says
Danny Price: um It says, but only such as is good for building up as fits the occasion that it may give grace to those who hear.
shane: Yeah. So, you know, it' we we should be building each other up, you know, and, you know, and for guys, I think that's a hard one. I mean, i don't even know if I have a relationship with a guy where it it wouldn't be weird if I didn't dig on him a little bit. um
Danny Price: Yeah, but...
shane: But I do think there's.
Danny Price: But what are you doing with that?
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: You're not hurting them. I mean, maybe you are, maybe you need that's something that you need to work on, but doubt doubtful, yeah.
shane: but Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's what you got to watch because there are some guys that that's all they do. And it's like, no, dude, you're kind of a jerk. You know, um and then they're not sensitive at all to like –
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: an area that a guy maybe does struggle with, you know, like if a guy's out of work and I know he's looking for a job, like he's ever like seriously wanting to have a job and he's out of work, I'm not going to make fun of him for not having a job.
shane: Does that make sense?
Danny Price: No, yeah. Cause would not build them up.
shane: um Yeah. You know, so little little things like that, you got to, I think you got to be careful, but I think the main thing is, are we building each other up?
Danny Price: Yeah.
shane: So yeah.
Danny Price: Yeah. And I would say as someone who's just classic over talker too, it's the first step to this, at least for me is slowing down with what I'm saying and not just saying anything that comes to my mind.
Danny Price: Because nine times out of 10, if I think about what something I'm going to say before I say it, usually comes out better. And it usually, sometimes it doesn't come out at all. So
shane: That's a good word. That's so true. that's so true
Danny Price: I, cause I just am, I'm so quick to just let it fly and see where that, see where that lands. And very rarely, as and when I do, I'm like, that was a good call. I shouldn't, I shouldn't have said that.
Danny Price: um Or i I'm glad I didn't say that rather. i think that's something that is hard to do, especially when you want to contribute to conversation or like be funny. Or usually for me, it's like trying to be humorous. And then I hear it come out of my mouth. I'm like, ah, that was, that was corrupting talk. That was not, that was, that was pushing the boundaries of what was, what's funny. Um, and you know, and that's more sarcastic or whatever, and just is hurtful.
Danny Price: Um, But I totally agree with you. There's times where ah I think there's humor in the Bible. I think that that god that Jesus has humor. I don't think this is saying everything you say has to be straight-faced, boring.
Danny Price: I think there's humor.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: But there's an element of, is that is that humor that builds up others? Or is that humor that is just tearing down and hurting for the sake of hurting at the expense of somebody else in a hurtful way?
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: Because you're definitely, there's times where you're laughing with people.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: And then there's times where you're laughing at them. like you guys tease me all the time and I tease you and David and like we all tease each other around, but it's never, you guys are laughing at me at my expense and I'm hurt. And you guys are like, ha ha. Like, it's like a bully thing. It's like, we're laughing together because this is just like a classic joke.
Danny Price: Like Shane doesn't work at all.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: Cause he's, you know, he's a pastor. So all he does is teach once, it you know, once a week. And it's like, we laugh about it, but it's not like actual, no one, we don't actually think that it's, it's our way of poking fun at him.
shane: Yep.
Danny Price: Um, anyways, thanks for clarifying that.
shane: Yeah.
Danny Price: that was good. and
shane: yeah
Danny Price: That's all I have for this week. Um, Anything else you wanted to add before we close up?
shane: No, just that was a lot. I mean, it I mean, but it's a lot of stuff. like I will say we had a conversation today with the staff and um I think I'm going to start the next book I choose, which I'm actually going be picking in the next couple of weeks.
Danny Price: Sorry. and yeah
shane: um I've been praying about it and trying to figure it out. But um so if anyone has, you know, thoughts on what next book of the Bible I should do, let me know. But anyway, I'm going to break it up into smaller segments.
shane: um
Danny Price: a
shane: because I'm feeling rushed in the sermons and and not able to pull them apart probably as much as I i want to.
Danny Price: Interesting.
shane: Yeah,
Danny Price: Interesting. Yeah, that makes for a long podcast, but that just could that should could just be us talking for a long time.
shane: yeah because we're both classic over-talkers.
Danny Price: Anyways. No, seriously.
shane: I'd love to hear a podcast of all introverts and see what that sounds like.
Danny Price: Awesome.
Danny Price: Yeah, exactly. What is that like? um Thanks for Dan. for Thanks for the question. If anyone else, come on guys, send send us questions.
shane: More questions. Yep.
Danny Price: More questions. See, I love that. Like Dan has a great question and it's like something that I don't think to ask in a better way. um Yeah, we appreciate you guys. Appreciate you all listening. um Pass this on to your friends, like usual, all that stuff.
Danny Price: And we'll see you guys next week. Thanks.
shane: ye
Danny Price: and Bye.
