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Unpacking Netflix’s Unknown Number
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This week, The Whine Mamás unpack Unknown Number, Netflix’s true crime documentary about a small-town texting scandal that spirals into a shocking revelation. The truth behind the harassment will shock you and is more disturbing than anyone could’ve imagined. Pour that glass of wine and let’s discuss. Wine of the Week: Maison Darragon Chenin Blanc
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Introduction and Welcome
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Speaker
Welcome to Wine Mama, a podcast where two bestie moms whine while they whine. I'm Annie. And I'm Jemina. Let's whine.
Life Updates and Unplanned Break
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Speaker
and welcome back because we had an unexpected bye week last week because life happens, you guys, and the amount of busyness that me and my lovely co-host Annie over here have been living these past two weeks has been, i want to call it controlled chaos, Annie, but you can correct me because I feel like it was ah mix of both controlled and uncontrolled I was about to say, I don't think it was controlled at all. Maybe some tiny parts of it, but most of it was like uncontrolled uncontro controlled with chaos.
00:00:38
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We had sicknesses in our house. You and I both had like teacher, association not teachers, parent association meetings. You were planning a birthday party and we have been planning ahead most, like most the season we've been really doing doing good at planning ahead. But this episode specifically, we wanted to do something that is like everyone's talking about right now. Yeah. Current.
00:00:59
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And then we got to be too current with trying to do the episode and we it just didn't happen.
Dolly Parton-Themed Birthday Chaos
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But we're back. But we're back. And thank you so much for coming back with us. If you're if you're new here, buckle in, everybody. Here are some things.
00:01:13
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Woo-wee. Buckle up because I cannot wait to talk about this specific topic. But before we do that, um let's chat, kids. I know we just i mean we just came straight off of a little...
00:01:27
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dolly parton birthday party for you guys i mean we and you guys had the first preview here remember when i announced it was gonna be dolly parton theme and this was like the first world that heard that so yes yes the wine the whinies heard it here first yep so i'm happy to report guys we followed through like we followed through we had a good golly let's party like dolly a returns three party and it was the cutest thing ever. She loves Dolly Parton. I hope she loves her forever.
00:01:55
Speaker
Um, but anyone who has planned a children's party, especially, okay, let me put it this way. Anyone who's planned a children's party in their home knows how stacked it is to host a party. Like you don't have a moment to breathe.
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You want to be able to speak to everybody. So like exhaustion is real. Hence the appearance of what I look like right now. I literally have the glasses on just to make myself look a little alive. Um, but it was such a good time. the piles came and they stayed extra late than usual. And that was so much fun. My kids loved it.
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We loved it.
Busy Schedules and Wine Relaxation
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Um, I feel like we need to make that a tradition. um yeah, it was just, it was a fun birthday and, you know, but on top of that, we also had sports.
00:02:43
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It was sports day. Like you, you name it. This is what we mean by we have been stacked. But anyways, how, how, what's a quick recap from the pile of fam over there, so particularly anything new with my Charlie girl, my, my, she was also a hit at the party. you guys literally all my neighbors fan girl over Charlie. So she was a very big hit.
00:03:05
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She is a riot. She is just like, just a ball of like, just, she's so funny. Like we were at a friend's house watching football on Sunday there's, you know, two girls, the two young, ah you know, my younger girls, Kenny and Charlie, and then they're two girls. They all play really well together. And there's times where Charlie just will go and like chill and play by herself.
00:03:25
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And it's just so cute because she's so good. And just like playing, doing something like a little tea party or like playing with a little mini toy, like whatever. It's just like, so, So cute and so a sweet. But yeah, we had great time at the birthday party. We partied all night long, like quite literally all night long.
00:03:41
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um My kids still woke up at the crack of dawn the next day. was like, can we please step Like, what is happening? Right. Right. What is happening? And Aubrey's just been crazy busy with school, work, flag football, life, homecoming. Homecoming. Coming up. my gosh, you guys. It's just... So she's just been go, go, go. Like she's home less and less because she just... She's all over the place all the time. so You know, i think we deserve, I think we deserve a glass.
Wine of the Week: Maison d'Aragon Chenin Blanc
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you know what I'm saying? we deserve glass.
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Yes. So are you ready to wine with our wine of the week? Yes. Lord, please. Let's, let's get into it. Lord, please. Let's drink this Maison d'Aragon Chenin Blanc. I just tried to be fancy with that. And I think I probably butchered It honestly looks like dragon.
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It did look like a dragon. i was like, don't say dragon, don't say dragon. So this is a Chenin Blanc, which we have had before. I don't think we've had on here in a while, but we've had Chenin Blanc before.
00:04:36
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um and so I'm very excited to do it again. I'm very excited to try another Chenin Blanc. Yeah, it's been a while since we have one. i don't know if we've had one this season.
00:04:47
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Have we? I don't know. know. wiseer thing so i know I know they things start to blend together quite literally start to blend together. But this specific wine, there's my blend. You get my blend blow together. and Love it. Love the pun, baby.
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Thank you. um Mason Daragon is a historic family round estate with a winemaking tradition dating back to 1761. For centuries, the estate has been dedicated to producing wines that reflect Vouvray's unique terroir using minimal intervention and precise winemaking techniques to preserve the purity of the fruit.
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The winery is known for its commitment to quality with meticulous vineyard management and careful selection of grapes to ensure only the finest expressions of Chenin Blanc are bottled. And this, so this wine is located, it's ah in the Vouvray region or Appalachian, but in the Loire Valley of France.
00:05:39
Speaker
Oh, love to hear that. and lot wine I know. Love, love. It's being Paris drinking, you know,
Netflix Documentary: 'Unknown Number' Discussion
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maybe south of France. I don't know. Somewhere.
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I'm going to put myself there. I feel like I mentally need to be there. yeah Let's do it um But this is a juicy fruit forward. Shannon Blanc, white peach, orange peel and quince.
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quince keith yeah mean It's it's a fruit. Oh, it's a fruit. Yeah. I didn't know that. I looked at that, but i was like, what is this? Is this translated wrong? But no, I'll be looking at that fruit to figure out what we're tasting later.
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um But they come together on the nose and glide through a field of white blossom petals. The off dry wine gives flavors of red apple, honeydew melon, and overripe Asian pear.
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So I'm getting a lot of sweetness vibes here. I'm getting sweetness, but it says, i think it's a, what's off dry. So I think it's like a medium dry is what it says on the bottle. So I'm like, okay.
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Lots of different intertwining parts right now. Yeah. I love how it says the fruit um come together on the nose and glide through a field. of white blossom petals. Like they just glide through this field. like, this sounds very fancy, maybe very French.
00:06:54
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I mean, it smells, it smells lovely. I'm not gonna lie. Very reasonable price point, anywhere between like 15 and $20. We actually got ours at Costco. We went on a little Costco trip together when I was over there for birthday party. And we were like, let's go to Costco and pick a wine. And they have a good, I mean, they a pretty good selection. Yeah. I was honestly impressed. I don't think I've ever perused the Costco wine as intently.
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And now I will. Yeah. I was surprised. But with that, you ready to have that sip? Let's do it. Yes. We're both in need. It does smell good.
00:07:29
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We're in need. All right. Cheers. Cheers.
00:07:35
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Oh. No, ma'am.
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you i like i Okay. This is the only way I'm going to reiterate the terms that I said. There's a lot of intertwining words in the description. um And i can i can confirm that you should not. You should stick to one path, perhaps. Yeah.
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Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. I was startled at first. This is sweet.
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Uh, I'm going to hope it gets better. It's a lot sweeter than I thought. Well, that's how i said. I'm like, I'm getting a lot like red apple, honeydew, pear. yes I'm getting a lot. Like I didn't want to pre judge and compare it to Moscato vibe, but that's what I was no a trying to say.
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It was giving Moscato. The description was getting Moscato and it was, yeah. But then the dry stuff that you know intertwined in. so i was hoping.
00:08:39
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But regardless, you know maybe ah it's the wine we need for the topic we're about to discuss. Because all- That's going to be perfect. Yeah, it's actually perfect for the topic. Because it just needs to it's going to probably decline as the topic declines.
00:08:57
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honestly. Yeah. Well, you know you guys we actually did this on purpose. We're sounding really right now, but we did this on purpose. Yeah. A chaotic wine for a chaotic frigging topic that we're talking about. Yeah. And that topic is the documentary on Netflix. That is truly mind boggling unknown caller.
00:09:17
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Unknown number. Unknown number. so sorry. Unknown number. of them yeah i think there is actually a documentary called unknown caller too. So I know number. It's unknown number, the cash the high school catfish story. Yes. If you want to get like more I'm pretty sure that's like the full term.
00:09:31
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But you guys. If you have not seen it. Spoiler. Yeah. This is major spoiler. like ding ding, ding, ding, spoiler alert. so either like pause and go watch it and come back to us so we can talk about this yeah or don't, I told you so, like you're going to ruin it for you right yourself. If you listen.
00:09:49
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And I will, I will start off like when I watch documentaries nine and this bothers Ben so much, but like nine out of 10 times I'm researching on my phone as I'm watching, I'm Googling, I need to know who makes it. I need to know Like I can't be on edge for that long. Like, Oh, okay. All right. Okay. Always. different I don't know why I just need to know. I need to know the ending just really quickly. Like give me something to hang on to.
00:10:14
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This is probably one of the first, not not the first, I'm sure I've watched some that I haven't Googled, but I made, I wanted, i had seen so much hype, but I wanted to be surprised.
00:10:26
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So I did not Google while I watched this. And you guys, when I tell you that This is now my Roman Empire and I continue to think about this every day because of the shock that I had when it's discovered who is doing this.
00:10:41
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So a quick recap. There's a high school. They're in like a very small town somewhere. I can't remember where. don't It's Beale City, Michigan.
00:10:52
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Michigan. Okay. But it's a very small town. One of those like everyone knows everybody like blah, blah, blah. Essentially, there's this very young high school couple and the girl starts getting very aggressive, like bullying, harassment style text messages, like words that I can't even repeat because like it's just so...
00:11:18
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disgustingly vile um and it's just like harassing her every day like 40 40 to 50 messages a day you guys like being like your boyfriend wants me your boyfriend wants me to things disgusting things gross just growing her to do like off herself basically i don't want to say that i don't know i don't want to say that on here but like to uh get rid of herself would be like what yeah if you catch our drift like horrific horrific like millions of messages so long story short it starts an investigation right the parents are starting to get involved parents are like what is going on like where are these coming from why can we not get to the bottom of this blah blah blah
00:12:01
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Again, it started, I think in the beginning they all thought it was just like average teenage drama. Like somebody was messing with them, but this lasted like a year. year like It was almost two years. It was almost two years. started in 2020 and they finally figured out in 2022 who it was, which is so insane that it's that current. Like this is a current, this is a current story. And the person who did it and was caught and went to jail, like just was released last year. like this is super current.
00:12:29
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Yeah. Um, So current as in like, it's being re discussed, like it happens, like, like you said, 2020, whatever, but like, that's pretty current for our. Right. Well, saying, you know, you, you see documentaries where it's like things that happened in the sixties and the seventies and the eighties. Like this is like literally started 20, it's just wild to me.
00:12:50
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So when did you start getting suspicious of like who you thought it could be? And like, who did you think it could be? So I honestly did not know in the beginning.
00:13:01
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I just was trying to follow and being like, who could it be? Like, it's got to be, at first I was like, it's got to be someone from school. Like maybe someone is bullying them. Like it's got to be someone from school. It was very, very,
00:13:14
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adamant that it was from school. Then the more you watch and then there's photos being sent now and the photos is from a private family party during the holidays.
00:13:25
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Then it's like, okay, maybe it's a family member, but like she had cousins that also, again, small town. So she had cousins and, you know, could uncles, aunts, like it could have been like anybody type of vibe. Like That's when I started getting suspicious. That's when I was like, okay, maybe it's not something from school. What about you? Like what did, what was, when did it like not click in your head, but like, who did you think it was?
00:13:51
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I definitely thought it was the Chloe girl. And now i feel terrible that she was like drunk through it. yeah And people were pointing fingers at her. So I felt terrible about that.
00:14:03
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But I mean, it was almost like a no brainer. It's like, well, yeah, it's her, but then that's, that's it. Right. Like when it's the one where it's like, oh, it's no brainer. It's definitely her. Then it turns out it's not them, you know? and then his cousin was very like, it's okay. That makes sense. It gets the cousin. And she's like, kind of like reserved. And i don't know, the know, committee it's the cousin never in a million years.
00:14:25
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What I have thought, i mean, we're just going to say it. You guys, are you ready? ah Here's where the spoiler comes. Yeah. who was The mom, the mom, her mom, her mother, never in a bajillion years.
00:14:40
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her mom. Like imagine the kids that were being excused at, accused by the entire school that they were the ones sending the anonymous messages. Like imagine being, having that burden and you know, they willingly, like they did, they gave up their phones or like search my phone. Like, you know, it's not me, blah, blah, blah. Like I will say like, I do feel like the school kind of did try their best. I know a lot of people are like, i feel like the school didn't do this. I'm like, no, the school were like, tell us when you get a message, we're going all the cameras and see who's on their phone during that exact time.
00:15:11
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Like, I think they tried. um My big thing was, Why, if it, after like a year, okay, like, why didn't they involve the FBI, like, sooner? Like, you know someone can track the number. Like, that was my confusion.
00:15:27
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Why didn't we take it a step further sooner? And I thought that the the idea of, like, just change their phone numbers, I'm like, nope, don't you want to find out who...
00:15:38
Speaker
is running being so sick and aggressive and yeah like they call it like it was cyber stalking. Like, don't you want to find out who this is as opposed to just being like, oh, just change their phone number. Like, ah that's not the tactic here.
00:15:52
Speaker
i mean, Jesus Christ, if that's the tactic, I could be a policeman a police woman, you know, just telling them to change the phone number. Like, what would you have done if you were like, Aubrey was getting texts like that? i don't know. I tried to put myself in the mother's position and I was just like, what in the hell would i have done? I mean, they would wake up to like texts already. Like they would wake up and all throughout the day, just like ding ding, just texts all day, like pictures coming through that had like writing on it. Like,
00:16:22
Speaker
You're just got like you're a and don't want to say all these words, but like just these awful things. And it's like, you're too skinny. You're disgusting. Like it was about her. and and the like Yes. A lot about her boyfriend being making her basically feel insecure in their relationship. and they had been together for like a couple of years by that point, I think.
00:16:39
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Yeah. They had, well, it makes you think it's okay. This sounds very much like high school. Like someone's jealous. Like at first, at first in the beginning, it's like, someone's jealous. Like some other girl wants him. But then as the texts go on, it's like, this is cuckoo crazy talk. We're, we're, we're looking at here.
00:16:59
Speaker
Cuckoo crazy. like especially when you find out it's the mom, like what do you think her motivation really was? Like, do you think this was like the ultimate helicopter parenting gone off the rails or like what?
00:17:14
Speaker
i don't, I don't, I, I just cannot fathom it. so I feel like we need to discuss this. So two things. One is that she, um,
00:17:26
Speaker
blamed it on mental illness. And I don't want to say blamed it on mental illness. I think mental illness is a very serious issue. do I think that she can put all the blame on that?
00:17:38
Speaker
No, I do not. Because this is your daughter. There has to be a point where you're like, this is my daughter. This isn't right. And two, she said that she didn't start the text messages she kind of like picked up on it or something which i'm like what what are you saying what do you mean you didn't start the text mess i just feel like that part was really weird when she was saying because somebody was like hey your boyfriend hates you or hey you break break up with your boyfriend or something like that whatever i like first started your boyfriend loves me more than you your boyfriend wants me to
00:18:11
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Suck as D like but things like that, you guys. And the documentary shows you the, the actual text messages that were sent. Yeah. It starts out saying that it's like every text message you see in this is our real text messages. you're Oh my God, I'm going buckle up right now because I know if they're saying that we're going to see some shit in these text messages. And it was yeah bonkers to imagine a mother sending these to not only her daughter, but her daughter's boyfriend,
00:18:38
Speaker
And the things that we were saying he was she was saying about the daughter's boyfriend and her. Things that never happened. Things that never happened. But like insinuating that things these these disgusting things happened between them.
00:18:49
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And then being the the boy's mother. and and and down two years later, you find out it's this woman that you have befriended and have known for years and years and years. Have led into your home. is sending these things about your your son.
00:19:04
Speaker
I'm wild. It's so wild to me. It's just so crazy because it's like. Was she trying to protect her daughter from this boy or was she trying to sabotage her or was she doing both? Like a lot of theories are coming out now and that she actually had this very obsessive ah addiction maybe like to the boy.
00:19:22
Speaker
and like it was actually like a love – almost like a love interest obsession. Like she coached his baseball. she um She like wanted to travel to Florida with the family and the mom was like, no that's weird. You're not coaching – his team that's going down there.
00:19:39
Speaker
Like just a lot of things like that. She became obsessive with him. And so that's why that it was like a jealousy being played. Like, like, so no, you're not, i to me, you're not protecting your daughter. The things that you're saying, the fact that the most hurtful possible thing you can hear from a mother to get rid of yourself, quote unquote. So we don't say that word, that trigger word.
00:20:00
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i I just have no words for that. Like, I just, I, what? I don't know how have been trying to pro protect her daughter. pretty sure that's what i'm appreciate what she said. i was protecting Yes. Yes. She didn't want something like that because the mother had something happen to her when she was younger and she did not want that to happen to her daughter. And so she was trying to protect her.
00:20:22
Speaker
But i like the mom was still going to the son's like games and stuff, even after they had broken up. And the saddest part, one of the saddest parts I think is that In the very end of the documentary, he's like, I don't talk to Lauren and I probably will never talk to her again.
00:20:39
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and Lauren's the girl, like Lauren's the girl who was getting all these texts, Lauren and Owen. They were friends for like years. They had grown up together, which I think is so sad. So sad.
00:20:49
Speaker
And just mentally just messes you up that what she did previously. and like truly broke apart, not just the relationship, boyfriend and girlfriend, but the relationship just as two people who have known each other all of their lives.
00:21:04
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And I mean, I truly believe that she got some kind of sick satisfaction out of her daughter needing her from that, like coming home and telling her, like, these the texts I got today. This happened to me. Like, what is going through your head as your daughter is coming home, telling you this,
00:21:20
Speaker
And you're the one who sent the text message. Like you sent it, you sent these text messages. It's so wild. It's so wild. And you know, they say that her case, basically what they pleaded for that was that she had Munchausen by online or online Munchausen.
00:21:38
Speaker
And it's like, did, did she invent that? Like, this is my first time ever hearing of that type of Munchausen. Like, I'm sure it happens, but what? Like, I mean, Munchausen in itself is a crazy, crazy mental illness, right? Like, you are basically, I mean, look at, what's what's her girl's name?
00:21:58
Speaker
I can't think of her. She's the one that killed her mom. Oh. You love her. And she's out married. You love her. i What is her name?
00:22:10
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Rose. Gypsy Rose. That one. I almost said Jeannie Rose. I was close. Gypsy Rose. Right. Gypsy Rose. So, like, you you know it's real. You know it's happened. Like, it it can happen.
00:22:22
Speaker
I just had never heard of like the online version, if you will. Um, so that's just what's so crazy. Like like you said, She was getting some sort of sick satisfaction by being the go-to because even when she's confronted, when the police show, when finally the FBI, like finally they were like, okay, we're going to hire someone that's going to track the number down.
00:22:43
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And that's how you find out it's the mom. They track it to the phone by the mom. So the police shows up at her house and confront her and she doesn't deny it. She doesn't deny it. She's straight up just, yeah. Yeah.
00:22:55
Speaker
It was it was me. And the fact that her daughter was there, i don't know if she was just in shock. And she like the mom was like, I can't leave her. I can't leave her. And I'm like, and the daughter's just sitting there like, what is happening?
00:23:06
Speaker
Good on the dad, though, because I would have once the dad got home, obviously he was livid. And then the daughter, the mom was like hugging the daughter. She said, can't leave her. Leave her. I'm like, if I was that dad, I would have been like, get your hands yeah off of her.
00:23:23
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so I mean. i think because the police were there. And he I think he says it. He's like, if these police officers weren't here, i would be the one going to jail with you. Like, he like. Yeah. He was. He was. Because she had lost her job. Like, she had said she was fired. She had said she was not let go. What am I trying to say? ah That she had quit. but She had. It was on her own accord or whatever.
00:23:42
Speaker
But she had been let go from like multiple jobs and was lying. i don't, i still don't know how she was getting money. They were evicted from like multiple homes. They lost like all their storage units with all their stuff. She was told she sold the storage unit to make money.
00:23:54
Speaker
So like justice for the dad, that was all of his stuff. Wow. That was all of his stuff. Like justice for this poor dad who literally had to watch his daughter suffer like that and then get a phone call being like, we caught who it is. You need to come home. It's your wife. It's your wife.
00:24:12
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who's been lying to you for years. Like if you think it's bad and then like you're watching it, like these texts are so horrible. And then like the mouth dropping, jaw dropping.
Analyzing the Mother's Motives
00:24:24
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What's what's the saying? You know Jaw dropping. Yes. Jaw dropping moment of when you find out it's Kendra.
00:24:30
Speaker
Yes. think that's name. Isn't it Kendra? It was Kendra. Yes. Kendra was the perpetrator. I will just, I will say, I know we talked about it briefly, but and will say I was a little shocked that it took so long for,
00:24:42
Speaker
it to be found out. I mean, you can, you can just, I could be wrong, but I feel like you can find out through like phone numbers, texting, like the IP address thing that they did, like that could have been done much time ago.
00:24:59
Speaker
So, i mean, I'm not in, I'm not in law enforcement. I don't know how cases progress, but like, I feel like, yeah, this could have been figured out little while ago.
00:25:11
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Yeah. No, I mean, I agree. That's what's so shocking to me. Like, look at the um Idaho murders, right? That guy, he was found like this because they found, you know, his, they didn't tell the public. His phone had like pinged off of like certain.
00:25:28
Speaker
yeah Yeah. So like, again, they didn't tell the public for a while because they were trying to secretly catch him, but like, and they did. but like why did this take so long like i don't like was kendra stalling it like again she also had like 11 phones or something like maybe not was not but she had multiple phones and she was hiding one so when you see them come you're looking at their like vest cameras when they pull up at her house she's coming around the side of the house and when they because i literally just watched this
00:25:59
Speaker
she's coming around the side of the house and they go in She's not giving up the other phone. She's like, Oh, this is all I have. Her one, this is all I have. Then her husband comes home. He's like, no, she has multiple phones. And it ends up one of the phones was like, I guess where she was around the side of the house, like hidden. It's just so crazy. It's just so insane to me. And that's what she did. She worked like Yeah.
00:26:19
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It was like IT-related gigs is what what was her job, if I'm not mistaken. So like she knew what she was doing. one million percent. She was very savvy with computers and technology. And it's just mind-boggling that a mom could do that. Like i just – like do you feel like she got off pretty easily, like legally?
00:26:43
Speaker
Like and she's out already, you guys, but hence why she was interviewed. Yep. Yep. She was out. She got out in August of last year. So just over a year she's been out.
00:26:54
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She was sentenced to, think like a year and a half, but I think she got out early. Yeah. and legally, legally, i think that she got the appropriate time as a normal person with a brain I think she should have been locked up for much longer, but again, legally.
00:27:18
Speaker
right It's, it, you, you, it's not how, that's not how it is. But in my mind, I'm like, she needs to go away for like five years. I mean, at the minimum, you I just put, I would choose cuckoo. I lock her up away forever. But in my mind, I'm like five years. Like she's got to She's got to go away. That five years needs to be in some sort of mental rehab, mental illness rehab. Something, something. And now she's just out.
00:27:42
Speaker
Now she's just, Mm-mm. No. but There is another side to this story too. So let's talk about Owen, who was was the boyfriend. Like he was also drug into this and humiliated and just like, and like you said, it's so sad because he was like, oh they'll never talk again because how do you, how how do you talk to someone whose mom did that to you? Someone you love, someone who was, ah they were the talk of the high school, right? They were that go-to like high school sweetheart couple. Like how do you, this poor boy, like-
00:28:16
Speaker
I know. It's awful. Awful. I can't imagine. And i mean, now like, I don't know at the time if people knew exactly what those texts say, but they sure know now what some of those text messages said. And you granted, those things didn't happen. Like, there was never a romantic relationship there.
00:28:33
Speaker
But for people to, like, see the kind of disgusting text messages that you were receiving from your girlfriend's mother about you, towards you, that has to just be so...
00:28:45
Speaker
just mentally emotionally taxing like and they said his parents said that like at one point like he was taking out his frustrations he was so tied up and just like like frustrated over it he was taking out his aggressions in his sports that he was playing like getting more aggressive when he was playing basketball or football or baseball whatever he did was being like more aggressive because i mean these are teenagers who are already going through so many emotions like therere they're they're Everything is changing for them. And to have this kind of spectacle put on you and just like, what the hell is happening put on you during that time? I mean, messes you up. It's going to mess these kids up for life.
00:29:26
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like Yeah. For their life. Like everyone that was blamed for it, everyone that was accused of it, everyone, like this boy, his family, like, like you said, like they were, the parents were friends. It's just all for what, you know, like.
00:29:42
Speaker
what? What? Like, I just. i I just can't like, and sometimes I'm like, could the school have done more? But I feel like they did what they could have done. And again, this was such a small town. So of course they were like compliant with the officers and things like that. They did their best. But then there's also theories now that it was like police corruption type of stuff.
00:30:04
Speaker
But I'm like, no, like just involve the, like track, track the phone, like just track the phone. Yeah. But then again, it's like, why didn't they try? Why did it take two years to track the phone?
00:30:15
Speaker
So it's just like a lot of unanswered questions when it comes to that. And I feel like the school did as much as they could have done, like as a school, like it's a principal, you guys, he's not a detective. not law enforcement.
00:30:25
Speaker
What's the principal and the superintendent? Like how far can they really, can they really go, you know? And then I think it was Officer Maine or something. Yeah.
00:30:36
Speaker
But it wasn't like the superintendent was really close with the main office. I don't know. Something like along those lines, like, you know, politics and police stuff. And I'm like, no, I'm not buying that. I'm just, why didn't anybody look up the IP address?
00:30:49
Speaker
Right. We could have gotten this lady a lot, a lot sooner. But also, too, I think people think that she would Lauren was also involved. And maybe like and I'm like, no, I also don't think that. No, I'm going to nip that one in the I don't know if I believe.
00:31:08
Speaker
i don't know if I'm i'm on. Listen, there's conspiracies over everything all the time. i don't know if I believe that one, though. like I don't really think I believe that one. But she it's so sad because she...
00:31:19
Speaker
is mourning the mom that she knew, which is the mom who loved her unconditionally. Right. Like that's the mom that she knows that she knew during that time. and so she misses her and she wants to build a relationship. And so I think it's so heartbreaking that she, like, she can't, she can't disconnect, disassociate.
00:31:43
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. from the two yeah Yeah. It's sad. It's sad. How does someone even come back from that? you know and like And you do get mad at Lauren in the documentary. I'll be the first one to say it because the way she still speaks of her mom, she's like, well, always love her.
00:31:58
Speaker
and I'm like, i and not I'm not saying that you stop loving your parent when they do something like that, but... it's a fine line of the things that your mom has said to you in those text messages and realizing it was your mom saying those to you, like the degrading of your image, the, again, getting rid of yourself. That's the thing is like, if it had just been, which is still,
00:32:23
Speaker
terrible, like break up with him. You're just, you're a ho loser. Yeah. Loser saying all this stuff like about him. that is, I mean, that's awful. but yeah That's mild compared to what she said.
00:32:37
Speaker
Right. Yes. Mild, very mild compared to what she said. and But when you're a mother and you're telling your child, like you're like shaming their body and their body image and you're saying things to like, that's what I'm like.
00:32:49
Speaker
I don't, I don't know. But again, They are, this started when she was what, 14? Yeah. That's so crazy. 14, a 14 year old. 14 years old. And your mom is like, you're confident during that time, right? Like you are going to her, you know? And so for her to want to forgive her mom, I get it because she's still so young and she needs her mom. Like she needs her mother as an adult, as someone who's like watching from the outside in, you're like, how could you ever forgive her?
00:33:21
Speaker
But I get it. On the other hand, like I completely get it. She wants to continue to see the good. It's awful. It's awful. remember. yeah Like at the end, you see her and the dad like playing and then she's like, I don't know if I'll talk to my mom anytime soon.
Community Impact and Technology's Role
00:33:36
Speaker
i don't remember the last time. So she comes back to light.
00:33:39
Speaker
But regardless, you guys, therapy for all. Therapy for all. Every single one of them Therapy for life. Like they are in this. But like, do you think – she forgave her mom?
00:33:53
Speaker
Like, honestly and truly, do you think she forgives her mom or do you think it's still their resentment? I don't know if it's a resentment towards her mom. I would foresee it as an insecure part of her will always live within her because her mom said those things to her.
00:34:13
Speaker
I think those things will always like be in the back of her mind. Like her own mother said those like her and her mom can have a great relationship. Yeah. But the fact that her mother said and did those things that will always be because of the age that she was, those things will always be there. Like,
00:34:30
Speaker
You can forgive her, sure, and have the relationship, sure. But she'll always have this, like, insecure – and we all have so our insecurities, right? But yeah she will always have this, like, insecure doubt of, like, um almost, like, inferiority because of that. I firm i i i believe that.
00:34:50
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good way to put it. It's one of those forgive but we'll never forget sure situation. Sure.
00:34:59
Speaker
I don't know. It's just so messed up, you guys. Like, it's just so horrible. and like, at the end of the day, like, I think I ah like when I finished the documentary, was just like, should she be forgiven?
00:35:12
Speaker
I don't, I don't know. i just, I don't, I don't know. Personally, again, maybe because we're adults and like, i get your perspective, how you said she was just so young that that's why she like was just thinking of the mom that was there for her and not like the actuality of like the damage and horrific event, public event. You guys, this was a public issue that happened.
00:35:35
Speaker
Like the entire town was involved. Like this is humiliation at its max. Like you will always be tagged to that story for the rest of your life. And now that Netflix put it out there too, um a little reminder for everybody, you know, it'll forever be out there. So I don't know.
00:35:55
Speaker
Personally, I don't know. It would take a a lot of distance for the forgiving, but I would not be able to forget it ever. Yeah. Ever. yeah if this is not This is not one of those Lauren Conrad's, I want to forgive you, but I also want to forget you.
00:36:11
Speaker
Not this round. Yeah. Well, this is like everyone is talking about this documentary. So like, are we finding it fascinating because it's like the shock factor of it's like it is a mother or because it's going deeper into like parenting, the tech, like cyber world, like how like What are our feelings on this?
00:36:38
Speaker
um Well, it's shocking for sure. I mean, the fact that it was her own mother, like I, we, you cannot deny the shock of that, especially if you didn't have a spoiler. Unfortunately, Annie got her spoiler. So she didn't get to have that shock moment.
00:36:53
Speaker
Yeah, but I still, ah even watching this, i was like, there's no way. was like, there's no way. No. Yeah, it's just, but yeah, but then it does involve that deeper meaning, like a parent, a mother did this to their own child.
00:37:06
Speaker
the cyber situation why did we like let this cyber bullying happen for two years like what was the barrier there like what was there was there was a barrier there caused this to not be solved quicker and then the trust thing which we already talked about that as far as like forgiving and Forgetting, but I don't know. i i think it's maybe like a combination of both, but I think we're all fast. I think the world's watching it on Netflix is kind of fascinated about the shock factor.
00:37:40
Speaker
It's the shock. Yeah. it's the shock factor. because You'll never believe watch it. You'll never believe like, yes. And you know the story, then you know, like if you Greg was like, Annie, like you heard about this. I was like, listen, I don't know about the news I hear yesterday, let alone back 2022.
00:37:56
Speaker
Sorry. um so I had no, I had no idea, but I think it's so interesting too. Right. Because we talk so much about how social media is like a threat and a danger and all this stuff to our kids.
00:38:10
Speaker
This wasn't social media. It was a text message. It was just text messages, not just still very awful things were said, but this was still text text messaging happening.
00:38:23
Speaker
Like it wasn't even through a social platform, right? So it's just so i know I've said it a million times, like just insane, wild, unbelievable that someone would want to cause another so much harm.
00:38:41
Speaker
And it was your, like, it was your daughter, but all through text messages, it wasn't even a social media level. It was simply text messages, which is like, it just goes to show that again, like, you know, we've talked about social media so much on this podcast and the good and the bad and the ugly of it. But this wasn't even that like these kids have access just by simply like having phones, they have access to so much harm, unfortunately.
00:39:08
Speaker
Yeah, I have nothing further to add to that statement because I think you're you're right. it It was text. It wasn't even like social media, like social media bullying. Like it wasn't, you know. It wasn't cyber bullying. It was text message bullying.
00:39:23
Speaker
And like they show you in the documentary, you guys, the the cops that are being interviewed, they show you these stacks, stacks of printed text. The binder full of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.
00:39:35
Speaker
Yeah. and And when you see it in that perspective, you're like, which I get because I guess it was two years again in length. But like, my girl, what are you doing? You just curled up on the couch being freaky. Like, what is wrong with you? You guys, the things that there's one term in particular that she use.
00:39:52
Speaker
I can't. No, I what you're I know what term is. I know what the term is. Because i know I know you and I know you're like, I know you're probably like, oh my God. All I'm going to say is when you watch the documentary, the the word is very short and it starts with the letter c And it's not, see you next Tuesday.
00:40:08
Speaker
Yeah. It's not that. Donuts. Donuts. What do they fill them with type of thing, you know? It's just not to get candid. Not to get real on here. But I will say. I couldn't say I can't say the word. Like, i now that i saw it in that. It's so disgusting. It's like, you know.
00:40:26
Speaker
i was It's in that category now. It has been officially. trans right Yeah. It's been, it's graduated to that level, but I will say that, oh my gosh, where was I just going with that?
00:40:39
Speaker
Oh man, it's going to bug me so bad. See where donuts being filled. I'm trying to refresh that, that mind to come back. That's okay. I probably, it was probably such a great thought. No, give it some time.
00:40:52
Speaker
Whatever it was, I shouldn't have probably said it anyways. So here we are. You were being censored. Were you silent or silenced?
00:41:05
Speaker
Silenced by my own by myself. By your own conscience. My own conscience was like, push that out of her head. She does not need to say that on the podcast. does need to say that. was going to say on national TV, but no, it's here.
00:41:19
Speaker
this platform. But yeah, you guys know. Anyways, we just had to discuss this. We had to discuss this. This is a current moment that's happening as people watch it. Like it was number one on Netflix for like weeks. Like people were obsessed with the story. And then of course all the conspiracy theories came out and like, she's out now. So like, what's, what's she doing now? Like just a lot happening.
00:41:41
Speaker
Yeah. lot Yeah. Okay. it came back to me. It actually was really important what I was going to say. So and my mind was like, no, you actually need to say that. I was actually trying to stall long enough for it to come back. So I'm so nice of you. I literally was like, where was I going with that? I know I wanted to say it.
00:41:55
Speaker
Um, before we get into the wine, we take mental illness very seriously. So please, no one who's listening to this, please do not think that we are making fun of that disease.
00:42:07
Speaker
We are not. It is the way that this situation happened and her saying it solely was, you know, mental illness and things that had happened to her and her life.
00:42:17
Speaker
I still, as a, as a mother, just as a human being, I wouldn't even have to be a mom to be like, that's wrong. Um, but for a mother do that to their daughter, it's very, again, we take mental illness very seriously. is very sad. I, I hope that she gets the help that she needs, but it's just freaking wrong what she did. So just so anyone out there listening, if there's anyone who's like, they are laughing about mental illness. We are not.
00:42:44
Speaker
No. We're discussing how wrong this was and the fact that, like I said, therapy for all. Like, I hope they all have lifetime free lifetime therapy at this point because of what they've all endured and the fact that it's all put on a platform like Netflix. Like, they're reliving this, okay? So, like, if they're not in therapy, find it, seek it, please.
00:43:00
Speaker
Like, it's a serious thing. Like, this is very serious. This was not – that's why it's so shocking, too, because it's – very serious like yeah so disclaimer no
Wine Review and Podcast Conclusion
00:43:10
Speaker
we're not laughing at it i'm glad you said that because you know we gotta we gotta make sure to put that plug in people are gonna take this the wrong way exactly got i always gotta put the plug in just in case i had to was like i knew what i had i was gonna say was something important it was it was swimming around in there and then i was like maybe it wasn't important then it came back i'm like now we gotta we gotta just we have to respect gonna touch on that really quick how are we feeling ah do we have to discuss the one
00:43:37
Speaker
I don't know if we do. We have to cork it though. It's not going to be pretty. No, no. Unfortunately, the bottle was pretty. ah the bottle was so pretty. i was very excited. When you point out, like I think you were the one who spotted you. Oh my God, it's a Chenin Blanc. We were like, me we were so excited.
00:43:54
Speaker
andlining is we yeah hard yes We've even ordered Chenin Blanc at like restaurants now. I love being able to see one on a, um, ah menu like if I see one on a menu or I see like a kind of like a different wine that you don't get at an everyday like want like but you don't see on everyday like wine list I love to order it but I just that just would yeah no I just wouldn't order this one do you know what you're corking it yeah I think I do do you okay let me take one more step just to like solidify I always need to solidify my answer
00:44:30
Speaker
yeah I think I'm good ready. I have mine in my head. Do you want me to go first? so No, I can, I can go. okay all right but Okay. Um, again, this is the, the reason I'm getting the score is based off of affordability.
00:44:47
Speaker
I'm just going the good tips here. Okay. Okay. Uh, cute bottle, um, accessible Costco. I think guys I've said all the nice things there. Oh, smells good. Oh, it smells good. That's not good.
00:44:59
Speaker
Um, so I'm corking. This dragon, Shannon Blanc. Dragon? can't remember what it was called. um I'm giving it a 4.6. Okay. Okay.
00:45:12
Speaker
Wow. She...
00:45:17
Speaker
okay wow she She, dip it low. She's low. She's low. I would not buy. i would not. Like, she's low. Yeah. yeah Yeah. um I am giving it a five two only because i think my mom would really like this, you guys. Okay. Well, we can't cork it because your mom would like it. I'd love. Okay. Sorry. I mean, I love that. as You cork me. thought Because that's what... if what Mama Marsha be corking a 5.2. We need to know what you would cork it. No, no, it's a 5.2 because it is it's not terrible. It's just way too sweet sweet for what I think a Shannon block should be.
00:45:59
Speaker
Now there could be people listening being like, Oh my God, they're supposed to be sweet. Well, the ones that we've had have not not been that been this sweet. So I give it 5.2 because I know. yeah i just no no My original one was 4.8. And then that last sip, was like, i just it's just too too sweet. I just can't.
00:46:19
Speaker
So i wouldn't recommend, but if you are into sweeter wines, if you're into like, if you like Moscato, you like Muscadine and you kind of want to like branch out like my mom always has a hard time finding new wines because she likes stuff that's so sweet um and typically i don't think you would gravitate towards a chen and blanc but oh let me just try this chen and blanc right this one you could like this one you could say oh i actually do like a chen and blanc right like you don't have to always have a muscato or like a super sweet um like muscato muscadine so
00:46:50
Speaker
true if you would really like this you can be like i like sweeter chenoblancs yes ah exactly you like sweeter chenoblancs this is the one for you this is the one for you because it's got it all baby it's got that pear it's got that i can't remember what was it let me look at my note red apple honeydew honey do and i think honeydew melon can be very sweet so they must really be getting it when it's nice and ripe but like like Yeah.
00:47:17
Speaker
Like white peach, orange peel. I'm assuming can't can say is all I'm see is 15 in Spanish is what I'm seeing. I know. I know. But i'm I'm assuming that's a sweet fruit you too. Like I'm just going to go and call it out there. So I'm not a sweet wine kind of gal. Not anymore.
00:47:34
Speaker
and left that life behind in college, college, high school, college, right? We're 21 in college. Well, that's legally, that's me legal. Not high school guys. Not high school. So silly.
00:47:46
Speaker
ah silly. forgot We all know i'm not good with math. um But anyways, that's why my score. Again, i i was at a 4.8, but then I was just like, I just couldn't myself. No.
00:48:00
Speaker
No hate. Listen, no hate no hate on the corking. i think this was a suitable wine for the episode. If you had to wrap up this documentary, what happened? Just this whatever in one single word, if you had to describe it in one word, what would you, how would you describe it?
00:48:22
Speaker
I don't want to say shocking. I'm trying to think of a different synonym. One word to describe this documentary. know. I put you on the spot. This was not, this was not a, yeah, I put you on the spot. I also don't want to call it insane because it clearly is a um mental illness like situation here.
00:48:41
Speaker
Yeah. yeah I would honestly fascinating. It's very capturing. It is very capturing. It's very, you know what? No, not fascinating.
00:48:51
Speaker
Maybe I would be, you know, I got my word depressing, depressing to see that that was a real life. I know that was a coaster of words. You guys i went from shocking to insane, to fascinating, to depressing. Like honestly, if there was a word to describe all four, like if I could do like a combo, like supercalifragilisticexpialidocious type of combo of those words,
00:49:11
Speaker
That's what I would describe it as. But since I'm only doing one word, I'm going to go with depressing because it it was very... Once it s sinks in, once the storyline sinks in and you realize the damage that this has now caused upon that entire town, the people, the people that were cute, like everybody...
00:49:31
Speaker
Like I said, therapy for all. Like there that was this is a serious like depressing thing that happened and all of these people lived it and now they're being relived because we're all watching the documentary.
00:49:43
Speaker
That's my word. What's yours? Mine was just because i was when I was asking you, I was like, God, I'm like, thank God that she has to do this because I have to think about my word. Mine's just unbelievable. And that sounds so plain.
00:49:54
Speaker
But like if you were to explain this to me, if you were to tell me this happened, I'd be like, no. No. No, it didn't. No, there's no way. I don't believe you because there is no way.
00:50:05
Speaker
So I think my word is just unbelievable because it is truly unbelievable. Yeah. and it's a good word you guys right I worried. guys, could, I could go on for the ah forever for this, but we can't, we, you know, we do have to end this episode at some point. And that, that point is now.
00:50:26
Speaker
I had to get a laugh in there, but that is a wrap. That's our show. That is all we have for today. Thank you so much for listening. Don't forget to rate and review us on whatever platform you're listening on. As always, tell all your friends and keep on whining.
00:50:39
Speaker
Cheers.