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The Bride- That Mullet is Accurate
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Welcome to 1985- the hair is big and the celebs are bigger! We've got Sting and Jennifer Beals starring in this movie that *thinks* it's a feminist retelling of the Bride of Frankenstein. Join us as we examine those merits and spend more time talking about hair and skin than clothes to be quite honest.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088851/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_2
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Transcript
Introduction to Hot Set Podcast
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Speaker
I'm Melinda. I'm Ariel. This is Hot Set, the movie podcast about costume design.
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Speaker
Hello, friends. Welcome.
Introduction to 'The Bride' (1985)
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Speaker
We are here with another film in our summer series, Franken-Summer. Still haven't gotten that sting with the like thunder and lightning sounds.
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Speaker
We need our audio tech to get on that. I should email her. It's so funny that you bring up a sting, too. my God. Oh, my God. Okay. This week...
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fortnight really as we're bi-weekly but we watched the 1985
Overview and Plot of 'The Bride'
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film the bride featuring sting featuring jennifer beals featuring a very baby-faced carrie elwes featuring many talented actors whose names are not at the tip of my tongue um This movie I had never once heard of in my life.
00:01:16
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I had never seen anything for it. it I did not know of its existence at all. And this choice to watch the movie was brought to us by Ariel, which is why going to keep this introduction super short because I want to break her in.
00:01:33
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um But it was really fascinating to watch. um It was hard to find. so good luck, folks. um I ended up renting it on YouTube. but um So if you got like $4 and you want to watch this movie, that is something that can be arranged with the good folks over at YouTube.
00:01:53
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Yeah. But yeah, I have a lot to to say that we will say together. So I'm just going to give the most like basic, basic overview of the movie. So this movie is about ah George Frankenstein. Okay,
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they This man cannot have one first name. Every single movie has been different. George Frankenstein. We meet him. He's already reanimated the eponymous monster, but he is in the process of reanimating a female corpse that is intended to be the bride for his monster however when she comes back to life she's really not down for that she's not interested um things go a little crazy the monster ah ends up leaving ah in chaotic um fashion um
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Dr. Frankenstein thinks that he's dead. The monster is not dead. He ends up hooking up with a circus
Discussion on Frankenstein's Character and Setting
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performer named Ronaldo and they go to Budapest and join the circus.
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And that is not something that I had on my bingo card for this film. um Then Dr. Frankenstein takes this, ah this woman who he names Eva and like pig millions her into a lady he My Fair Lady's her in a disturbing way um and then is very shocked and angered to learn that maybe she has her own thoughts and feelings about what her life could be.
00:03:38
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And so it all comes kind of crashing down around him. The end. Roll credits. Yeah. Does that seem accurate to you, Ariel, as the resident expert on this film?
00:03:52
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I am 100% behind this, except I do have a question. Is it George or is it Charles? Oh my God. or Is it Charles? Oh my God. I think you're right. I think it's Charles. My bad. I knew it was a boring white person name. Yeah.
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Because it's like, to be fair, every single version of this, Frankenstein truly does have different names. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're so right. I i'm i apologize. I'm i'm furious. can't help.
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And I hope that that translates to the sound of my voice. It does. Yeah. Because like the first version, 1931 Henry. Then we get 74 Friedrich. yeah And now we're at Charles. So we're we got more exciting with Friedrich. And now we're back to Charles. Back to Charles. And yet no one has gone with the actual...
00:04:39
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Victor. And yet multiple movies introduce so other characters that they name Victor, which is just so confusing. It's ridiculous. And it's like every time it feels like a bit now.
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if But it's like, was it a bit? Where it's like, well, it's tradition to not actually name Frankenstein Victor Frankenstein. And so
Ariel's Summer Experience and Film Nostalgia
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we want to keep up that secret tradition. Or is it like they're very serious about it? Well, we have to do our own version.
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We have to do our own version. Whatever it is, it's bonkers. um I also do have an apology to make aside from you know the the initial one, which is forcing you to watch this movie.
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Yeah. The second, which is a very important piece of business. um Did you know that Frankenstein takes place in the late 18th century? Because I've repeatedly been making the mistake of saying that it's Victorian.
00:05:31
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I mean... it was written in 1818. Yeah, like it's like, yeah, it's written in the sort of like... tail end of this sort of regency ish like yeah and it's like hilarious that in my head i was like no it takes place later doesn't it no that's solely the responsibility of i think penny dreadful but yeah like the answer is it takes place whenever the filmmakers feel like it because every version that we've watched has taken place at a different time that's we're not even at the end of it yet Oh, my. Okay. So, Ariel, I, as you know, have had a very long like commute for my summer job this summer, right? I'm spending a lot of time in the car.
00:06:15
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There's only so many podcasts. um I can only listen to our podcast so many times before I get bored of listening to us talk. The dulcet tones our podcast. That's right, because I'm an absolute sociopath.
00:06:26
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um No, I mean, there are only so many podcasts I can listen to in the day. So I was like, oh my god, I'm so smart. I'm going to listen to the audiobook of Frankenstein, right? tried.
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i ride
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The first like three chapters are all just like letters to and from characters that I don't recognize from any of these movie versions. And trying to listen to people writing like formal letters from like the early eighteen hundreds is in like a like a british accent on an audiobook when i just like worked for 12 hours is just like not working for me so i gave up really really fast
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crying and like i understand that this is going to make me sound really so dumb i like couldn't even listen to the audiobook of frankenstein so i'm just like embracing the fact that i like can't even do that too that is where i'm at emotionally this summer frankensummer it's just like at capacity sorry There's only so many brain cells in my brain and they're all being used up for different things currently. Including this this monster.
00:07:58
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ah Oh my God. Okay. So one of my, let's, let's do this. One of my favorite character actors is Clancy Brown, who plays Victor Frankenstein's monster in this version. Yes.
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And why I love him is because of a little known movie that definitely ah foretold a lot of my personality called Highlander where he plays Kurgan think is the name of his character and I was like yeah this is rewriting some of my my brain chemistry as a child when I was watching it and coincidentally around the time when I was watching that because it would be on TV all the time and my grandparents Not that they were playing it. It's just like a movie that would come on cable.
00:08:43
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Yeah. This movie was a movie that would come on cable. Fascinating. And so
Sting's Acting Debut and Feminist Themes in 'The Bride'
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I remember seeing it in pieces at my grandparents whenever my grandma would take a nap. I watched crazy stuff when she would take a nap. She'd be like, you can handle yourself. And I'd be like, sure thing, Haas. And then I'd just be like, beep, beep, beep, beep.
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Let's watch whatever's up there. And I was befuddled by this movie when I was younger. Because I knew who Sting was. and I was like, what is this man doing?
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Why do you think that he... Because it's like, okay, musicians like venturing into like the acting world, nothing new. Happens quite a bit to varying levels of like success, acclaim, whatever you want to call it. But like why do you think that he picked this? This is such a a choice for a movie as like a musician going into the acting space.
00:09:41
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And I don't even like disapprove. It's just interesting. It's just why. so I don't have any definitive um information. I have what IMDB gave me. Mother IMDB.
00:09:53
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um In the trivia section, there's a little piece that says that he was actually originally supposed to play Cary Elwes' character. ah ah And then he ended up lying like the main titular character. Yeah.
00:10:06
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Not really titular in this case, but, um, yeah. yeah So it's like, I don't, I don't really know. It's That's interesting. i could yeah see him playing the Cary Elwes character for sure.
00:10:18
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I didn't really have a problem with his performance. Like, honestly, this movie was so weird, but I wasn't mad at it. It was just weird. Yeah, it's weird. And it's like, sure, his performance, if you're going to isolate it and pull it out of this movie, is pretty flat.
00:10:35
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Sure. like, it also works with the character who he's playing, who's a total a-hole. Yes. Yeah. Speaking of sociopaths. The director of this movie.
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um i have a question for you. Yeah. Would you say... That this movie is a feminist. Okay.
00:10:59
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I'm so but glad that you asked me that question because i spent the first like hour of this movie going like, okay, so like every man in this movie hates women ah cool. All the evidence that we have through for their interactions, they all hate women.
00:11:24
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um The only other woman in this movie seems to hate Eva. there andy Therefore, you know like there's literally like two women in this entire movie.
00:11:35
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um Then I read that little kernel on the internet that said that this was a feminist retelling of The Bride of Frankenstein. and and The only answer that I will give to that question is I i want to know why men feel the need. You can just stop right there.
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Why does a male...
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does a male director feel like he is the person to make a feminist retelling quote-unquote of the Bride of Frankenstein story like what the audacity it just it feels so like a fundamental misunderstanding of what feminism is yes it's like when we watched Barbarella yeah and the original messaging about that was that it was supposed to be something like feminism, like sex positivity, all that stuff. And it was like, okay, okay.
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And it's the same with this one where yes, the character of the bride has more development than we usually see. She's not just growling. Instead we have like reasons for why she's growling We see her um kind of like going through different stages of like awakening, if you will, right?
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Yeah. And with those come different costumes and different hairstyles to kind of like show that she's maturing from intellectually like a child to an adult. But she is still being treated as an object of curiosity.
00:13:20
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sexual desire. Sexual desire and an object of fantasy. And it's like I do kind of feel like by the end of this movie, Victor, Frankenstein's monster, is like,
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maybe the most feminist of all the men because like he he is a feminist hero you can say by the end of the movie when he comes to her and is like i'm gonna bring her something shiny oh that i like her um i kind of appreciated that he doesn't drag her anywhere he doesn't force her anywhere he says basically like I know you and you know me and we could, we could hang out together. And she's I've got so much to tell you. And in that moment, it's a feminist thing in ah in that moment because she has so much knowledge and she's going to share it with him and educate him because she is educated and smart and is being shown to have that.
00:14:22
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yeah But the whole rest of the movie is just brilliant. bad shit when it comes to that idea of it being a feminist reworking. It's just yeah movie that it centers
Critique of Feminist Retelling
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a female character in the right story. And they are simply not the same thing.
00:14:38
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but i I had inkling of it, but after watching this movie, I feel pretty strongly that we should do like a bonus fifth episode of this and watch poor things.
00:14:54
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Okay. There are so many parallels. Yeah, this one. Mm-hmm. It's so – I did not expect that. So if anyone listening to this has watched poor things, there are a lot of similarities between the story of this movie and the story of that movie.
00:15:13
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And, like, I had my opinions about both. But something that, to me, is always, like, a red flag that this – isn't as like feminist as the person making it necessarily wants it to be is like does everything about this female character always have to return to her physical beauty and her physical like sexual, like does like desirability or like, it has to be about sex in some way that I'm like, okay, that is a thing. But like women are more than that. Like they,
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think about more than that. they They care about more than just that. like it's It's always a red flag for me when like a huge part of the character has to be like, but she's sexy, but she's liberated because she wants to like have sex with everybody. Just being reduced to more an object. like There's so many yeah different...
00:16:23
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parts to a person. And like their relation, where they exist in relation to a man is not what makes a full character. And this very much follows that. And there's even a conversation in the movie.
00:16:41
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Where Charles char and Frankenstein and is ah chatting with his friend, his like frenemy, guy and um who, by the way, has a glorious braid like no reason. Oh my God.
00:16:55
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But he's... long best hair in the movie question like gorgeous hair and we have to talk about hair so we will get there after this like feminist soapbox honestly i think the hair is more important in this movie than the costumes i'm gonna say exactly except for one scene um But like, ah yeah, they're they Frankenstein is just like laying kind of pouting or and just like, meh, meh, meh, meh. And he's talking about Keats' Frankenstein. Oh my God. Yeah. And Clairvill is like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And then um Ava goes, you mean Shelley? And he's like, it's Keats, don't interrupt us. And she's like, what?
00:17:39
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whatever, and gets up and walks towards the bookcase, goes off into the distance, and then comes back and just throws Shelley's Frankenstein at Frankenstein.
00:17:51
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And he's like, oh, and then he burns it because he's so mad that she was right. And like Claude Bell, the braid himself, um it's also like, uh, uh, pish tosh. It's so weird that a girl would know anything. Like, Like, ew, I hate all of you. no And it's so interesting because, like, i think that all of these characters as they are could be very, like, present in an actual, like, feminist telling of this story. Like, I don't think that any of the characters have to, like, fundamentally change. But, like, the way that you present the story would, I think, would be so...
00:18:34
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different where I'm like I just think that like certain people would be portrayed perhaps more accurately to how distasteful their views and actions are if this was actually I think with a different director because could you imagine like Jane Campion who did like the piano and other things like that could you imagine her directing something like this like it would have the same moodiness and the gothicness and like apparently people had the opinion first of all and there's like a general opinion that this movie is terrible like the rotten tomatoes score couldn't find it but like it's supposedly really bad and so people also said that it doesn't feel like frankenstein because it i read like some people think it's too bright and i was like is it just because it's not in black and white
00:19:26
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ki You know they had daytime back then too. like
Eva's Transformation Through Costumes
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People wore color. It's like, that's okay. And um maybe it's because they got mad at like the the side journey to the circus. I don't know. I'm like, how could you be mad at that? How could you be mad at that? Because like in this, in this okay. Yeah.
00:19:46
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but There's so much to talk about. But um yes, this is not the best movie in the world. And it could have been done better with different different hands and a different focus.
00:19:57
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And it had like a promise there. But it's also not horrible. Like it could have been so much worse. It's also the pacing is just very slow. It is slow.
00:20:08
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And um i did like have to stop myself from like, you know, reaching for my phone because I addicted to my phone and can't be alone with my own thoughts, ah et etc, etc. You get it. um but Honestly, I don't need a movie about reanimated corpses to make a lot of sense, personally. like I'm fine if it is like unhinged and weird. Why Yeah.
00:20:35
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why not um I think that Ronaldo is the best character in the film. ah Justice for Ronaldo. Justice for Ronaldo, 100%. And the mullet that killed him deserved one game, damn. I literally, okay, one of my notes is Ronaldo murdered, mullet murderer murdered.
00:21:03
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Okay, so let's, can we talk about hair and can we use the mullet as an intro to this conversation? Please. So as a child, I hated the mullet. I associated it with my uncle. I'll just say it right now.
00:21:16
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but He's never going to listen to this. And even if he did, I'd say it to his dumb face. But I associated the mullet with very specific things in a very specific period in time, which was the late 80s, early 90s, and very country, country boondocks kind of stuff. Agreed.
00:21:33
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The mullet is actually one of the older hairstyles of human history. it It constantly comes back and goes away. You look back in time and the mullet will look back at you from paintings. Yeah. Like a phoenix rising.
00:21:55
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It turns to ash and then is reborn the next morning. And it's like curly ringlet mullets, and straight mullets. Business in the front, party in the back has gone through time.
00:22:08
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And it is actually sometimes boring. period accurate. And that is like one of the first things that will blow people's minds, but it is true.
00:22:19
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And so seeing some mullets thriving in this film was just like, yes, embrace yourselves. 1985, embrace yourselves.
00:22:30
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yeah Like, because the hair in this is so very 1985 doing the late seventeen hundreds but it's also not... 100% off of like things that could have existed in the 1700s. Right. Like the amount of hair on Eva's head. this is a the teased hair. The the vertical the volume. The like the giant swooping bouffant it all
00:23:02
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Like maybe not as... like I guess because we're in kind of like that transitional like pre ah pre-regency, post-French Revolution, there's a lot of like things that change really rapidly with clothing as everyone abandoned silhouettes associated with like a monarchy that they had violently overthrown. like Yeah, you know some people got their heads chopped off and people were like, maybe i shouldn't dress like that person anymore.
00:23:33
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Maybe it's a bad idea if my head looks like that person's head yeah and it's now in a basket. But the amount of hair, like, I would love to see inside the hair and makeup trailer on this film and know what is going on.
00:23:50
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With her hair, like, okay, also, ok also ah just have to say, at the end, when Frankenstein says to Eva, I stitched you together out of different bodies, i said, sir, no. Sir? No.
00:24:08
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Kindly. no stop lying. ah Stop lying. This is not Sally from Nightmare Before Christmas. No, there is not one blemish on this woman's skin. Okay.
00:24:21
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ah One word in Dr. Frankenstein's defense. one sentence in Dr. Frankenstein's defense. yeah And it's in my notes in all caps. Why wouldn't you cut away cheesecloth over living eyeballs with a scalpel?
00:24:35
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Oh my God. I had to look away from the television that. So just saying, if that's how delicate his touch is, that he can take a scalpel and run it over living eyeballs and cut multiple layers of cheesecloth away with a, with a sharp,
00:24:55
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sharp blade. Perhaps maybe he in this fantasy world has ah very soft touch. don't know. In between the time when he created...
00:25:08
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his original monster called Victor in this movie. And when he created Eva, he went to school and became a cosmetic surgeon. i but i'm learning Because like the monster Victor has like giant visible scarring on various places on his face, on his arms, on his back. Like he has got like raised, uh,
00:25:31
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scarring that also doesn't really quite follow the lines of like where you would whatever but like jennifer beals has like nothing absolutely flaw like i mean she's a beautiful yeah woman she is straight up jennifer beals baby beals like is who is flash dance herself i mean it was the same was that she had just done flash dance or something this is like her second movie like this is a woman in like her early twenty s that is beautiful and just like and there's many ways to be beautiful the way and one of the ways in which she is beautiful is it like she has absolutely like perfectly even beautiful unblemished skin she doesn't even have like moles they've embraced the idea of the visual opposite of the prometheus monster like right and so regardless of how you design that monster's prosthetics they've gone with the exact opposite of that
00:26:30
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yeah yeah So for him to say that he stitched her body back together, i was like, okay, this is how I know that this is not a feminist retelling of the Frankenstein story right here. I made you.
00:26:45
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like i know that That line did not penetrate the other filmmaking decisions of this movie. And that was in service of her just being a stunningly like beautiful young woman. so that's what I have to say about that.
00:27:03
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Yeah. And I think that was a great thing to say. Thank you very much. yeah so But her hair is great. Her hair is wonderful. Her hair is great. And so just to connect it to like why we're talking about it's not 100% inaccurate. Yeah. Is it like in this era after the French Revolution, during the French Revolution, before the French Revolution, afterwards,
00:27:23
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in many periods, people would save their hair the same way that people would cut their hair and sell their hair and wigs would be made from their hair or wigs would be made from other things.
00:27:33
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People would save their hair and turn it into something that would then support the hair that was still growing out of their head to make it look like they had double or triple the amount of hair.
00:27:45
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And so the fact that her hair is so eighty s teased up, and of course, it makes sense for the first scene because she's been shot with lightning strikes She's just okay.
00:27:59
Speaker
This is ah as every other episode, it's not going to be a straight line because we also have to talk about her, her get up. for Her costume for this like awakening, for her birth.
00:28:10
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Because her hair is so teased. And then it just gets bigger throughout the movie. yeah And it's like, it might be more styled, but there's like more hair present her head. volume increases. Yeah, the volume increases. So this is like her hair sprayed and ratted out.
00:28:24
Speaker
But she's wearing essentially like the fifth element, Who?, This is like a bandage Leo with see-through sleeves. And it's this like and totally anachronistic. Carefully, carefully shaped and sculpted and like stitched in a many pieces. Lovingly stitched. love it.
00:28:47
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Was obsessed. If this is what he was referring to, that he stitched together. If this is what he's referring to, then he was not lying. I believe that. And also, like like, the design of the thing that raised her up being this, like, spider web of white straps. Spider web sling situation, hammock.
00:29:10
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cool. Yes. Like that whole scene of like her suspended in the bandages, because at first we don't see her hair. We don't see her face. There's this like specific skull cap that is then encased in like the bandages that are like the cheesecloth bandages that are wrapped around her face and other parts of her body.
00:29:32
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But then like that is sliced away with a frigging scalpel over her eyes. Right over the eyes. Just can't stop talking about that one enough. But then it's just insane.
00:29:43
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And then the skullcap is like pulled forward. So it's over her chest and it kind of like fits with the rest of the outfit that she's wearing, which is just totally from 1985. Like it's something that I would not have been shocked to see like on somebody in a roller rink.
00:29:58
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Like it's just like what's happening right now. And it it fits because of this, the spider web situation that she's suspended by.
00:30:08
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yeah and it's like such a strong choice for like the beginning of the movie, because that is the most anachronistic thing that we see like right there. And it is like the opening scene. Like we don't start anywhere else. like we start yeah know We're just quietly in the process. like We have the opening credits like coming over, music is coming up, and then boom, we're right in the lab.
00:30:35
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And then we see the monster, not soon after. and Clancy Brown's Frankenstein, every Frankenstein we've seen so far, every single one that you'll ever see, the monsters always look different because it's a makeup designer's opportunity to kind of like make their staple on this like iconic thing.
00:30:53
Speaker
I did not mind... his design. Me neither. I kind of liked it. I liked it. And I liked it because it made it so that the monster Victor, who gets his name from his friend that he makes, but it's like, it's not so monstrous so or raw or visibly wounded. Like, yes, he has differences and scars, but it's not like raw.
00:31:17
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Like it's not green. It's not green and it's not caricaturized. for that kind of impact, it it doesn't detract from his ability to actually go out and experience the world. Like, yes, people look at him and because of his height and his like broad shoulders and hands and the fact that he like...
00:31:37
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isn't a smooth talker at the beginning of the movie. Those are the things that unsettle people. yeah And like his hair is slightly different because it's set back and like a little bit thinned, but he does not seem so grotesque.
00:31:53
Speaker
And I liked that because then you can actually focus on kind of like what the metaphor like the monster is a little bit more.
Costume Design and Historical Influence
00:32:03
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right And the fact that he does become grotesque.
00:32:06
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more man, you know, like by the end. Yeah. And honestly, I thought it was kind of an interesting choice to pair him up with another character that also has physical differences that make him an outsider, like in this world and have that person be like,
00:32:23
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understanding of like kind of and to kind of show him like this is kind of how the world works and this is how we're gonna kind of get through it with like these you know prejudices and whatever that people are gonna put on us like yeah they go to the circus yeah and like ronaldo is played by david rappaport who is a little person and he is like Very, his character is very, very like, I know the tricks of the world. And like, I've also been kicked by the world, but like, I can survive and like, I can actually thrive within this.
00:32:56
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And with you as my friend will be unstoppable. He's like a little bit of a grifter. Like he's a little, you know, he's a little slow. sly Like he convinces Victor to like carry him around on his shoulders. He's very capable of walking. yeah He's like higher up than Victor because he's sitting up on his shoulder and he's like, this isn't so bad.
00:33:15
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yeah And he also is wearing his costume like fits in the time because he's got a cravat. He's got boots and trousers and a jacket and a vest and like all these things, a waistcoat rather.
00:33:30
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But he also, maybe it's the cut of the jacket or maybe it's just how the jacket was sitting on him or like where the pockets were that created like a ah like a fold out. But it it made his coat, his jacket rather, look like sort of related to a doublet. it felt like he was from a different era.
00:33:50
Speaker
Yeah. There was a little bit of Renaissance vibe. fuck. Thank you. Because I was like, what's going on with you, Ronaldo? Yeah, no, there was Renaissance vibe. Like, it's like the boots, the the kind of like breeches.
00:34:05
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There was, there was. And it wasn't, um it was aided by like the fact that when they like go to the circus, like circus clothing still to this day, like kind of has happened.
00:34:19
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influences from that time period that like have persisted so like his circus performer outfit was very much like a doublet so it's sort of like it kind of continued so it kind of like added to the feeling that he kind of looked like maybe he was gonna go to the renaissance fair yeah well it felt like he was a time traveler because it's like what are we doing but i also in my notes was like i I would love to basically have ah this outfit because like I wrote, i am I insane or does it feel like Ronaldo is from the Renaissance?
00:34:56
Speaker
Why do I mention this? It's because I want to dress like Ronaldo every day. like Like I just like loved the outfit, but it's like, it's interesting that it was chosen to make Ronaldo Like he is a little person. And so that's a very like obvious difference from everyone else. And it's yeah part of the story that he is like treated differently because of his body.
00:35:21
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And then to then choose to also additionally dress him as if he's from 200 years earlier is such a choice because it's like he stands out in every way.
00:35:37
Speaker
And it's like, does does he just because he has control over his clothing, it makes me ask about the character, like, does he just choose to stand out? Like, because he has this like, I like the way these things fit and I like the way that this looks and I'm just gonna not try to conform to anything because why would I want to?
00:35:57
Speaker
it's like, what was the what was the thinking behind so many of these design moments? Right. There were, I felt like, some um characters in the film that we really saw for like a few seconds because we see ah Victor and Ronaldo like traveling and like traveling through different towns. So we kind of see them in a couple of different places where we're only seeing like the other townspeople like very quickly.
00:36:25
Speaker
And there were like a few other like pieces where I was sort of like, This is also feeling a little bit renaissance-y here. So I don't know if that was just like, I mean, sometimes we kind of like in this industry kind of like do what we have to do in terms of like making it it work with this the things that we have access to. And you get a little bit sometimes squishy with your timeline. and it's also like, is all where is it that they're supposed to be?
00:36:53
Speaker
mean, they're going to Budapest. So it's like, are we trying to say that like Budapest, this is how Budapest is like different from everything else? Because it's like, what? And so it's just that funny thing of like,
00:37:07
Speaker
how did we get here? Cause like, I would love it if the costume designer who by the way was Shirley Russell, thank you. She passed away in 2022, but she did 2002. Oh yeah.
00:37:19
Speaker
I had an extra two. so sorry. It was 2002. um But ha ha ha um she did a movie that was very important in in my childhood. i don't know if this was a big deal for you, but fairy tale, a true story.
00:37:33
Speaker
Okay, I looked at her IMDb and I'm telling you, i have not seen a single thing that she has done. I don't know who any of her other work at all. So yeah, I don't know most of these.
00:37:45
Speaker
um But she was very, very much working and doing things. Oh, I do recognize the name Enigma and the Shackleton TV miniseries.
00:37:56
Speaker
um I dreamed of Africa. the fairy tale, a true story. She did Gulliver's Travels, which I do recognize. So she's done some things that I was familiar with, but um not enough to go, oh, yes, this is a Shirley Russell piece.
00:38:11
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um But it's like it's one of those things where just like you brought up, sometimes you just have to do with what you have. And it's like, I just would love to know those things. Is this one of those situations where you're like, well...
00:38:24
Speaker
Right. Or like maybe, you know, um because, okay. Oh, God. Geography corner. Fuck. Is Budapest in Hungary currently? Obviously, things have changed over centuries. Capital of Hungary. Okay.
00:38:40
Speaker
Thank you. I was so scared to be like, oh, Lord. I had to Google it because I'm uneducated. But also, like i assume at that time it was not necessarily Hungary because things in that part of the world have changed a lot. And even like within our lifetime, borders have moved, countries have formed and dissolved.
00:39:01
Speaker
So like... but i'm so i'm like you know, i don't know that much about what people in Hungary were wearing. Maybe they were trying to bring in kind of like a folk wear aspect and some, those type of clothes kind of change more slowly. So, I mean, there's a lot of things that could be going on.
00:39:20
Speaker
Oh yeah. And it's like, that's such a great point that you bring where those, chi those like folk clothing does change more slowly, but it it, yeah, it really is just kind of the distinction of like, Sometimes you have jobs where you're able to apply does that like design principles to the job, like character inspection and like kind of this the psychology of design. Like, why would this character choose these things? And then sometimes you're just like, I got to get some stuff on a body. and they got it they got to make their call time. And that's basically it. like Right. Yeah.
00:39:52
Speaker
Or you know a director says, just just ah put them in something that looks like this. and you're like, okay. Do you want them to have intention? Nah, just put pants on them. And it's like, okay. We won't see it at all. And then they're like in the forefront and you're like, cool. Yeah. And there's full body shot and you're like, neato, neato, neato. I also appreciated some of the like on location filming that they did in this movie and some of these like towns and like kind of castle like locations were really cool.
00:40:23
Speaker
In France and then a little bit in Italy, I think. Yeah. So yeah, it very much helped the fever dream of it all. Yeah, kind of like it really put you somewhere else. Like, honestly, it was kind of like giving me like Tale of Tales, like energy to using these. Thank you. Okay, I thought that ah midway through where I was like, this, this feels a little Tale of Talesy where it's like,
00:40:49
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The world feels big, but you're not you're not locked in only close-ups. So you are seeing spaces, but you're also not seeing like outside of a city. Like you're seeing ensemble pieces.
00:41:04
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Like a walled in. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Okay. That's great that we were in the scene in the same prison. Yes. Yeah. to radically shift gears and go back to hair specifically.
00:41:20
Speaker
there i never want to leave Hair Island. i never want to leave. I'm like, who cares about the costumes? Let's talk hair. There's a scene when um when Ronaldo and Victor are at the circus that he is collecting their paycheck from the like boss man who is...
00:41:42
Speaker
shirtless and just has like pants and suspenders and the, the hair on this man, like the coverage The density was fascinating. yeah Was such a strong, like, I was like, of course we have to have a scene where we see this man with no shirt on with just the suspenders. Like, I was just like, obviously it was memorable is what I'm trying to say. Yeah.
00:42:15
Speaker
Yeah. i there's I have no critique. I have nothing else to add. i just wanted to flag that for people. If you're thinking about watching the movie and you're not sure, watch it for that.
00:42:27
Speaker
So good. Also, oh my God, just speaking of things that I didn't expect to see. thus there's like a scene near the end where like the angry mob like forms. Cause we have to have an angry mob in like a Frankenstein story. Right. Of course.
00:42:42
Speaker
And it's all these men and they're in like a pub or something. And there's like, um, some kind of like official, like, i think maybe he's credited as like a bailiff or magistrate, something like that. There's a man with authority.
00:42:55
Speaker
He's in this pub. He's sitting at a table and they're like, you've got to come. We got to arrest this guy. And he like turns around. He's not, he's wearing a shirt. He's not wearing a coat.
00:43:07
Speaker
He turns around to get out of his chair. the And so we see the back of his shirt.
Rarity and Production Challenges of 'The Bride'
00:43:13
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The back of his shirt is open down the center back.
00:43:18
Speaker
And there's, it's like tied together in like a series of like three or four, like bows down the back, like a hospital gown. And we see his skin between the places where this shirt ties together.
00:43:35
Speaker
and I have never seen a period shirt that looks like that in my life. I have never seen one that looks like that either. And so i that struck to me as well.
00:43:47
Speaker
And it also struck me because he's wearing these giant suspenders. Yeah. And I was just like, kind of caught by like, I can see his skin and he's wearing suspenders.
00:44:00
Speaker
And it's like, those two things have nothing to do with each other. I can't explain why I got stuck on both of them but at the same time, but it's just like, I wonder what that's about.
00:44:13
Speaker
I would love to know. i would love to know because it's so specific and it's, you might think, oh, they, well, maybe they chopped it up to like make it fit like a larger person. No, this shirt very much fits him. And based on like the knots or the bows that are tied back there, there's a lot of fabric. And like, we're seeing it from a little bit further away on film in like what's meant to be like a lamp lit or a candle lit scene, but it does not ah appear that there are like,
00:44:42
Speaker
things sewn in to like extend the shirt. So it's just like, huh, I wonder what that's about. And then that's as far as my brain goes. Absolutely. Like, that it was the end of critical thinking at that moment, because i don't know, like, you can't think when you see something like that, that you've never seen before, you don't know what it is, and you're never going to find out because there's like, nothing about this movie to be found on the internet or read about. Like, this movie doesn't exist.
00:45:14
Speaker
oh God. Yeah. Like, even trying to look it up on IMDb, they're like, I'm pretty sure you're looking for The Princess Bride. And I'm like, I'm really i First of all, how dare you? Yes, Carrie Elwes is in it, but don't tell me what I'm trying to do. Mind your damn business.
00:45:29
Speaker
And then there was like five other their movies that came up. And then it was like, and that's the end. And none of them was this movie. It's pretty crazy. And like, okay, I have a couple of little trivia bits. And then...
00:45:43
Speaker
So to talk about um Clancy Brown again as Victor himself, ah I enjoyed that like we're in the territory again of casting a larger man as the monster.
00:45:54
Speaker
And there for sure is additional padding like in his costume. And you can see the padding move with his jacket kind of early in the movie because he has this like dramatic reach back or defend himself kind of thing. And you see him from behind and you can see the jacket move.
00:46:09
Speaker
Yeah. But overall, his costume is not gargantuan, like to make his arms seem like they're ill fitting for his body.
00:46:20
Speaker
Like the the differences in him are very much focused on like scars that are applied to his back that Ronaldo sees. And then his face and head, like that's really where the language of the fact that he is a monster is like concentrated, but it's not making him so monstrous that he cannot exist as a natural being in the world.
00:46:43
Speaker
And I really enjoyed that. But I don't think that Clancy Brown enjoyed it because it took around five hours a day to put the prosthetics and makeup on for him. And that was three, three and a half hours to put it on about two hours to take it off every day. That's And then...
00:47:01
Speaker
around two weeks into principal photography, the production shoot had to shut down for 10 days because he got a skin infection, o which prevented him from working.
00:47:12
Speaker
And so it's like, it's like when you hear about um the actress who played the Wicked Witch of the the East, Wicked Witch of the West in Wizard of Oz, where she had like the green paint and it was just poison.
00:47:25
Speaker
and like, people really have to go through a lot to be able to to do these performances with some of these designs. And I always feel so strongly for them because like I can't wear fingernail polish. Like I can, yeah but I would prefer not to because mentally it feels like I have weights on my fingers. And like, even if I don't have additional nails with a capital N, I just like can't get past the, yeah my fingers aren't aren't my fingers anymore. And so it's like,
00:47:56
Speaker
Whenever I see someone who has extensive prosthetics, it's like, good for you for getting any performance at all. And like, not solely being stuck in the mental breakdown of the Grinch of it all. You know, like, yeah, that's really a lot.
00:48:14
Speaker
And um okay, to go on from that, there are two things that I really, really want to talk about. One of them has nothing to do with costumes. It's actually a very subtle costuming moment. And so it doesn't really matter, except for, I'm going to correct myself.
00:48:29
Speaker
There's there's a thing in this movie that I think is hilarious, where it's very Emma 2020 with the collars, but only... first sting but Oh, my God. Frankenstein.
00:48:40
Speaker
He is serving head on a platter in this movie. Because, okay, his colors, and it's it's specifically Emma 2020 that's sticking out for me because those colors were done very intentionally.
00:48:52
Speaker
Collars have been a big thing in men's fashion history in the West for a very long time. Because men's fashion has not changed like so significantly in the past few hundred years as yeah it has elsewhere throughout time.
00:49:08
Speaker
And so collars, how pointy they get. How starched do they get? How high they go? How far they reach out? Hug the face. just Right up.
00:49:19
Speaker
It's just so bonkers. Because there are so many side shots of Sting. The collar is like almost to his nose, like to his nostrils. And it's like you just have this like white cutout of his face. oh And so there's this scene where he and his frenemy, Clairvall, are riding around like lords in the forest on their horses.
00:49:43
Speaker
Frankenstein has his sword held aloft while he's riding, which by the way, good for you, sir. And ums the camera like zoops out and you see that he's just going to stab an already dead bird that a manservant is holding suspended from a long stick. And I had lost it.
00:50:04
Speaker
It's just like, I feel like of everybody in this movie, Sting took it real
Masquerade Scene and Film Aesthetic
00:50:10
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serious. Like the way he dialed in Frankenstein's performance is as like a humorless, obsessive, self-important man. So it's like he really hit it, but it's just like hilarious. Yeah.
00:50:24
Speaker
Just the like, wow, you truly are the conqueror of nature stabbing a pre-murdered bird. Ridiculous. That's being like hell by its foot. Yeah.
00:50:36
Speaker
It's like I stitch you together. No, you didn't. It's kind of the same thing. And so then there's another thing that I really want to talk about, which is the masquerade ball. Okay. That is – I'm like – That is the only thing that I'm like, we have to talk about it. This where the costumes are the most important in this whole movie. So like if if anybody listening is interested in watching this movie and you you run out of energy watching the movie while it's happening to you, you have to make it or like you can even fast forward. Fast forward, yeah. But you have to watch Masquerade because it's it's as if Labyrinth's Masquerade was done
00:51:14
Speaker
By someone else. There's also, okay, there is one other thing that isn't in this scene that's earlier in the movie, but it is a silver gown that Jennifer Beals wears. And that's another moment that reminded me of Labyrinth. Yeah. Because it's like, it stands out from everybody else who are like in more earthy tones. And she's in this like metallic silvery gown that's Is that the scene where she screams the cat? at cat?
00:51:35
Speaker
Yes. Because she doesn't know what a cat is. Like, I don't think we should, like, I think that that needs to be like a little tease, like for people, again, on the fence. Jennifer Beale screams at a cat.
00:51:48
Speaker
Multiple times. And need to see it. You need to see that to understand where we're at. Yeah. The world. Yeah. yeah Yeah. So you have to see the Leo at the beginning and you have to see the screaming at the cat. And then you have to see the masquerade because there is, it's confetti, but I'm going refer to it as glitter. It's a glitter bomb. It's a glitter bomb. And let, okay. This is a glitter corner.
00:52:11
Speaker
but did did a Glitter corner. eighties did something with glitter that just like Highlander reshaped my brain. All of these opportunities for glitter um i don't I don't gravitate towards shiny things very often. do. But know when you have a magical movie that is fucking covered in glitter, I can't look away. And it's my favorite thing.
00:52:39
Speaker
Let's talk about it. Legend. Glittery forests. We'll get there someday. I've never seen it.
00:52:48
Speaker
Melinda. I love all of the things where I just – I really want to think that if we like met when we were like 10 that we would have been friends but I don't know that we would have because I think that we're interested in like completely different pop culture diet. But I think that we would have been friends and we would have just accepted those differences and we would have like shared some of those things.
00:53:09
Speaker
And then maybe you would have been exposed to legend much earlier because I wouldn't have shut the fuck up about it. Yeah. but like we And would have made you watch Troop Beverly Hills like eight times. I believe it. And I would have done it and I would have loved it because Shelley Duvall.
00:53:24
Speaker
But like, listen, when we do fantasy, we're good that's one of the ones we have to do. um But that is like that labyrinth. There are some things where there was just this like, not, there was no understanding of how awful glitter actually is because glitter is horrible for the environment if you get it in your eyes it cuts your eyes because it's just little pieces of plastic like all these things it's terrible for nature good but and it's so pretty it's so pretty and it's so 80s and so this masquerade is like especially if you look away for one minute as i did and then you look back
00:54:05
Speaker
what Is she dressed as star? she Her mask is a cat, which was an interesting callback to ah her previous scene where she screamed at a cat.
00:54:19
Speaker
I guess that makes sense. So she's like Batman. She's Catwoman. She's reclaiming her power. Yes. She crawled out of a well. she's like Like her cloak has this like big like platter star. It's like black, but it also has like a red lining, which I feel like is an interesting choice if you're supposed to be a star. But she also has a star earrings.
00:54:42
Speaker
The five pointed star earrings. Yeah. Where it's the stars that we learn how to draw when we're learning how to draw just straight up. Right. Massive. Yeah. earring But like the the commitment to that glitter moment and like because what happens is like ah he presents her with this like giant like snow globe and he spins it and it's like glitter and then glitter rains from the ceiling on everybody at the masquerade ball.
00:55:12
Speaker
And everybody from like their shoulders up is just dusted with gold, big chunks of glitter. Shiny in their hair, catching the light, kind of adding to the dreaminess. Beautiful. And then they continue like that is a specific choice that then continues for the rest of that scene where everybody's dusted with glitter for the entire scene.
00:55:35
Speaker
And I was so obsessed with that because I feel like that commitment to the aesthetic is something that movies would like shy away from now where they want the glitter to go away. yeah After that initial moment. Especially if it's like a, ah a serious transition and like the character's journey, which this is because Carrie Elwes, his character pops up like at the other side of the ball, you know? And so um Eva is like moving towards him or Ava. She's moving towards
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00:56:03
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him. And like,
00:56:04
Speaker
You see the innocent like you know delight on her face as she's trying to go for him. And he is very obviously somebody who's like using her But he is so shiny and so like this prince.
00:56:17
Speaker
And it's just like all these people moving in the background, like the ensemble. And there's just these like scattered, like glowing bits of light everywhere. And it really achieves for me the same thing, just in a very different way, that the Labyrinth Masquerade does too, which is to make it feel like...
00:56:36
Speaker
If you went to a school dance when you were a little kid, let's not talk about the disappointment that comes with going to a school dance, but let's talk about the the imagined experience that you're anticipating.
00:56:48
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yeah These two scenes in these two separate movies deliver on that where you feel like you're in a dream, but you're awake and everybody else is in the same dream. So like anybody else in that space could be having just as magical a moment as you are.
00:57:03
Speaker
Because that's how magical it is that time could literally slow down. And it's just like, what a strange like gift this movie gives you. yeah Because for the most part, the costumes are very grounded.
00:57:18
Speaker
You know, like we have that Leo moment, we have the shiny silver dress, we have like a brief nude scene to talk about kind of like the power dynamics between Frankenstein and and Ava. And yeah And like, but everything else aside from the circus is mostly grounded. So there's just like, not massive, whoa, shock moments. And then this one with yeah the platter around her face, the like very 80s earrings and like, then this magical rainstorm of like glitter is just like, what's happening here? Yeah.
00:57:53
Speaker
It's so many things that I'm like, okay, but this is like a Frankenstein movie. Like there's so many things in this movie where i'm like, this is weird, which I don't mind. no i don't mind it. And that's, I think the heart of why I thought that we should see this one yeah because it, it, there's just like something about it that it's definitely not feminist. The director was out of his damn mind for even trying and it, but like,
00:58:20
Speaker
there's there's something happening here in like style where the pacing is very slow. And then the pacing at the end of the movie is batshit because like all of a sudden, all the speed that we've been missing throughout, like the most reasonable pacing throughout the movie is when Victor is with Ronaldo because it's like we're getting a lot of information and a lot of development in a very reasonable amount of time. And then everything else is very it's like a little choppy and it's a little bit slow.
00:58:50
Speaker
um But like at the end we get like ah Charles Frankenstein, Baron Charles Frankenstein is just like, wants to just rip away the veneer of um respect that he had and quote unquote for Eva that she thought he had for her, the care.
00:59:08
Speaker
And he just wants to have the control and like assault her and all of that stuff. And that's happening real fast where she like, is trying to get free of him. Carrie Elwes admits that he's a piece of shit. Like Frankenstein's like, see, I told you so. And then it's like, you're mine now. And she's like, say what? Like I'm a person. And he's like, no, you're not. Like you're so, that's so cute that you thought that in this feminist movie. And then we get the payoff to, by the way, we didn't even mention that like telepathy, the emotional telepathy. I was going to say, are we going to even get to the fact that there's like psychic connection?
00:59:44
Speaker
Yeah, there there's like a oh very tacked on psychic connection yeah between Frankenstein and Eva that like pops up a couple times. And I think I read that like the director himself admitted that that plot line didn't work at all. And I'm like, at least he knows. He regretted it. It's like, I kind of don't regret it because it adds to the the strangeness, like the the vibe of the overall movie being so different.
01:00:08
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And so it's like, yeah, they... they They can't like talk to each other through their minds, but they're like connected by their undeath in a way. So that like when they feel strong feelings, the other one feels those feelings, yeah but doesn't know why.
01:00:22
Speaker
So she's feeling extreme fear. And at this point in the movie, Victor um has taken revenge on the circus folk who were responsible, the evil mullet who was responsible for Ronaldo's death.
01:00:35
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ultimately. And then the circus folk don't know that necessarily, but they know that he killed this person. So they're going to take revenge on Victor. And like, he's, you know, chained up against a wall and he rips it down. And then he goes through pumice stone bricks, you know, breaking his way through like castle walls so that he can get to Ava and like rescue her.
01:00:56
Speaker
and he tosses sting as Frankenstein off the top of like the castle that they live in. wild And it is, it's just, so fast yeah and then i had this like loving shot of like frankenstein on the ground with like torn up stage blood everywhere you think maybe it stinks death will be sort of like gaston and beauty and the beast like the animated one where he just kind of like disappears into the dark it's like no we see a hard landing and a bloody corpse yeah but it's like so stage blood like not even yeah you know like
01:01:30
Speaker
It's just like very deliberately applied stage. ah smear Like a delicate smear at the corner of his mouth and his, his own mullet is disheveled. Finally. It was a little more. Yeah. A little bit. Not much. But it's, it's just like, it happens so fast and you're like, what? And we have this like moment of connection finally, or it's the second moment of connection for Ava and Victor Because the first time they meet each other, she's just like freshly born and is terrified of him. And then and he's like, in he's just like, doesn't even know how to speak himself. Yeah, he's barely learning. And so it's like, they just don't connect at all.
01:02:11
Speaker
The second time is way later in the movie. And she just is like, oh, this strange man just like on his way somewhere. And then he's like, I've got to buy this pretty lady a necklace. I know it was so sweet. And then um in the last, after he kills Frankenstein, he's like, hey, so, uh,
01:02:28
Speaker
my friend died and he had this dream. Do you know what dreams are? And like the dream was to go to Venice. So she's like, Oh, the world is so big. I have so much to tell you from, you know, her teased hair nest.
01:02:41
Speaker
yeah And then, then we get credits and the credits are soft credits. Okay. Which means like blown out soft. You can still just one shot.
01:02:52
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It's of her. On a boat, like we get ah like ah a rising or a setting sun and then like a ship imposed gondola. yeah And then and this just the shot of her like in the gondola or in a boat.
01:03:08
Speaker
And it's her hair is teased up again the way that it was towards the beginning of the movie, but a little bit more contained. And then she's like smiling slowly. And it's not even like a clear shot because there's like, you know, scrolling text going over her face with credits.
01:03:23
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And then it's just boom
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01:03:24
Speaker
to black. And it's like, what? i want to see them... Getting married in gondola on the Grand Canal, i needed that because i'm like, okay, there's no bride in this movie. yeah Actually, there we're we're doing the work of understanding that she is – the intention was that she would be the monster's bride.
01:03:51
Speaker
But there is no – That never happens. It never happens. And so, yeah. i don't It's just like the the pacing at the end. I was like, what? what but but but yeah Like where was this like 25 minutes ago? What is happening right now? It feels like everybody was like, ah, end it.
01:04:06
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Just end it. um So overall, how did you feel about this adventure? um I was not mad at it. It's super weird. um But I would say um that I have really good taste in movies. And I famously have a soft spot for movies that don't make sense at all. Like, I don't really care if a movie doesn't make sense. If it has style. I'm like, that's fine.
01:04:29
Speaker
I don't need it to make sense. um The world doesn't make sense. Why should movies be held to a different standard? say it again, sister. Yeah. so i'm I'm really glad that we watched it. It's a weird one. i i do think that anyone who's curious based on all of this stuff should watch it um if they can find it.
01:04:50
Speaker
um it's ah It's a time. hu And what a way to explore the characters. like ne So different. Yeah. you know What is the next logical step after like tap dancing in Young Frankenstein? It's joining in the circus. Yeah, joining the circus and having this like very quiet like meditation on the beginnings of like what something like this could look like.
01:05:17
Speaker
Yeah. Absolutely. How did it feel rewatching it for you? It felt crazy. Because I think as a kid, I watched it as I watched any movie on TV. Because like when we were kids, you couldn't fast forward. You couldn't rewind. When you were in on the movie, that's where it was. And then you just watched it until it was over and you had no idea if you'd ever see it again. You also had no idea what it was Because there was no menu channel that told you what was on.
01:05:43
Speaker
So you like had to hope it was one of the channels that before the movie would start playing after the commercial would be like, and now returning to. and um so like when I watched it as a kid, it felt like a fever dream. And I was like, well, I know Sting and I know Jennifer Beal. Like I know those two people, but everything else is crazy. And then as an adult, I was like, it still has a fever dream feeling, but for a different reason, a very different reason. And so. yeah It was kind of nice watching it and being like, oh, it actually does make sense.
01:06:13
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It's a whole movie from beginning to end. like It's not confusing. You're very aware of what's happening. It has a beginning, a middle, and an end. yeah yeah yeah like But it's like, it it feels like an fair it not an experiment it feels like a step between how people made movies in the 70s and how people started to pivot towards making movies towards the late eighty s And so, which is perfectly timed because it was 1985. And so it's like, that makes sense. But it feels like a stepping stone in film style. Mm-hmm.
01:06:51
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but Storytelling. Yeah. leave We did it, you guys. The bride. We did it. And um I do think, like, if if the writer and director of Poor Things said that they weren't influenced by this movie, they are 100%.
01:07:10
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I won't accept any other charlatans. Yeah. There has to be acknowledgement somewhere. Which is what like, if we, I mean, I'm no promises, but like, if we, you know, decide to do a bonus episode, I think that would be the one. It also won the Oscar for best costume design when it came out. So it kind of is in the wheelhouse. I haven't, we talked about I haven't seen it. I remember hearing a lot about it and reading, um people's takes on it and how it affected them and how they, you know, whatever way they landed on it.
01:07:45
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I think it would make sense, especially after the next and final official like film in Franken summer 2025, which is Lisa Frankenstein, a recent installment in the, the Frankenstein canon.
01:08:05
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And um for those who don't know this movie, I do recommend it it. might not be exactly like what you're expecting, but it feels to me very much like an odd little, almost like indie film that can get away with being like a little bit.
01:08:22
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cookie and it takes place i believe in the 80s and so there's a lot of design choices in there that are phenomenal and especially for costume we are gonna have a lot to talk about so i can't wait looking forward to it thank you so much for hanging with me this episode Yes, always. always is oh my God. going to, by the time we talk again, I'm going to totally have listened to the audio book for Frankenstein. I'm going to be like, wow, I am a scholar now. And I'm just going to be blown away by how classy you are. Yeah. Oh my goodness.
01:08:58
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Yeah. I'm going to be like certified in classic literature. I'm going to talk of the dinner party. and So smart. um I'm going to be like Ava, you know, learned, refined lady. And you can chuck that book at anybody you want and be like, you dummy. Absolutely. Absolutely. So look for my glow up next time. Thanks for listening.
01:09:23
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Yes, thank you. Bye.