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Lost In The Lore: Eyes Wide Shut
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Join us this week as we discuss Eyes Wide Shut and a number of conspiracies surrounding the film!
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Introduction and Viral Impact of Eyes Wide Shut
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Eyes wide shut? Then how am I supposed to watch the movie?
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Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. I'm your host, Alex. I'm your host, Malik. And I'm your host, Tachi. And we are very excited to bring our second Lost in the Lore episode to you.
00:00:37
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You remember back in October, we did a episode about the the exorcist and the true story behind it. We decided let's make a series. And we we picked this one because like.
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Well, if you haven't figured out, we were doing Eyes Wide Shut today. um We picked Eyes Wide Shut because like like. the other Kubrick movie we talked about earlier in the year.
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ah None of us had ever seen this and it's gone viral again. On Instagram and Twitter and TikTok, specifically a couple specific scenes from this movie that even if you guys listeners haven't seen this movie, you'll recognize these scenes.
Unfinished Nature and Conspiracy Theories of Eyes Wide Shut
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you know Masked, ball, creepy. There's usually some sort of like eerie lo-fi old timey music playing over it with some sort of caption about secret societies.
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That's from this movie. um But what we want to talk about today is not just the movie itself and any potential ongoings on screen or subtle meanings, but the conspiracy that spawned from, I guess, how it wasn't finished and its relevancy today.
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But before we do that, how's everyone doing? I'm doing fantastic. I'm excited to talk about this movie. Alex, you this is the first time you've seen Eyes Wide Shut? This is the first time i've seen eyes Eyes Wide Shut, yeah. I don't know if I maybe just misheard you, but I thought you might have been ah the only one on the pod that had seen it. so i just think that had never seen i had never seen this one. Wow. I'd seen a couple Kubricks, but not this one. Two blind spots for Kubrick in one month.
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It's a record, but I am excited to talk about this with you guys.
New Lord of the Rings Sequel Announcement and Skepticism
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How are you, T-Money? I'm doing all right. I'm still feeling conflicted. it's a It's an interesting movie, and i'm I'm excited to get into it and figure out how I feel and how I want to rate it.
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Well, before we do that, I think we should hop right over to the movie news. We got two things for you this week. Hot off the presses. Three. Who wants to kick it off? I'll kick it off with The Lord of the Rings.
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Guys, we're in the trenches. We're in the trenches here. This comes from Disgusting Film. a sequel movie to the Lord of the Rings trilogy is officially in the works. Here's the plot synopsis.
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14 years after the passing of Frodo, Sam, wait, after the passing of Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin set out to retrace the first steps of their adventure. Meanwhile, Sam's daughter, Eleanor, has discovered a long-buried secret and is determined to uncover why the War of the Ring was very nearly lost before it even began.
00:03:28
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Stephen Colbert is co-writing the script with his son. um We ask a lot of big questions on this podcast. The biggest one being why? And this one is no different.
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Do ask why? This could be peak slop. You got the Quirk Chungus Emperor himself writing a Lord of the Rings sequel that is completely original.
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That's a recipe for disaster. Who wants this? Is anyone excited for this? Stephen Colbert. But I will say... I think it's very well documented that he is a super huge Uber fan of the Lord of the Rings.
00:04:17
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Like he's talked about it several times on live television. um So if that's any consolation, I don't know. i don't think it'll be a total disaster.
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He seems like a, he seems like a sharp guy. Yeah. Tachi, I love your optimism. i You're an optimistic guy. I don't want it to suck. I know. it It means a lot to me.
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Same. And I just, I know. For me, we're we're two sides of the same coin, Tachi. Are we? It means a lot to both of
Critique of Recent Live-action Adaptations
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us. I know that. Yin yang.
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Yeah. White and black.
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But I see this and I go, okay. Step back, Mr. Colbert. I understand he's a huge fan, that he's talked about it at length.
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That doesn't make him a screenwriter. It doesn't. but actually i just heard on amy polar's good hang podcast shout out amy poor she was talking to steve carell steve carell and stephen colbert uh worked together for many years colbert was this understudy uh for a little while and apparently he's a really great writer i haven't seen or heard anything ah to to prove that or that lends to that claim, but maybe he is a great writer. I don't know if that's a screenplay or a script, but maybe for jokes, CPL feels that way.
00:05:53
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Did you ever watch, did you guys ever watch that Lord of the Rings show? No. What was it on HBO? Rings of Power. Yeah. That was on Prime, and that was the biggest piece of dog shit I've ever seen. Are you serious? It's genuinely unwatchable.
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It's so bad. Are they adapting that from anything, or is that also original? I don't know. I hope it's original. I've there's there's too too much Lord of the Rings content coming out when that is something that should be left alone.
00:06:22
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We got the hunt for Gollum also I think almost done if not releasing this year. Don't know what that's about. I found him guys in the bottom of a volcano.
00:06:33
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Charred to death. movie Movie over. He's gone. Bro's cooked. Somehow Gollum has returned. i I feel unfortunately like we're getting to that level.
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ah There's nothing. Nothing is sacred. And with nothing being sacred, ah all of the movie news today, I'm just letting you guys know right now, it's all bad. haven't seen anything positive in the movie world in the last couple days, but for other things... what? Sora shutting down.
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That is good. That's great. But I did see Disney is still going to try to um utilize Gen. AI and continue investing in it. Of course they are. Yeah, but Sora shutting down is huge.
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that's massive one less
Initial Thoughts on Eyes Wide Shut and its Pop Culture Influence
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thing yeah that's that's a good win um speaking of generated content the new trailer for the live action moana was also released earlier this week oh my god speaking of the biggest piece of dog shit dude it's the biggest piece of dog shit remember when the rock said he wanted to focus on serious roles my god was venice enough for him the standing ovation at the venice film festival for smashing machine enough for him and he was like ah he was fulfilled back to moana i just i really want to know why the decision was made to make a live action moana a movie that's not even 10 years old that is significantly uglier i have a theory it's so ugly have a theory money
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Why can't they just make it good? Like why? I just. Why money do we have to have the slop? There are other ways to make money. the The worst part is you like it looks so bad and you know it's going to cost like 300 million to make.
00:08:26
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Yeah. And it's going to make like 750. Because families will take their kids to see it. There's a whole other world out there that we don't know.
00:08:36
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Yeah, we don't have kids. That's the worst part is like, not that we don't have kids. That was great. um But that these movies come out and we can be grumpy about it all we want, but if they make money, they will keep doing it.
00:08:50
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We as a society need to boycott slop. We really Boycott slop. Boycott slop. I want this podcast to not only reach the niche community of film lovers, but maybe the ones that go to the movies a few times a year.
00:09:07
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Give us a listen and listen to us. And have diewap but don't watch Don't watch Moana. Don't go watch it. Please. Watch Callback.
00:09:22
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ah Next live action adaptation. Harry Potter trailer dropped today. Today is March 25th. You both just watched it what are your thoughts? It doesn't look like slop. like yeah It looks homemade. It look like slop. Yeah, I love the way it's shot.
00:09:37
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um The score was pretty interesting. I don't know if it's going to be iconic, but it sounds pretty good.
00:09:46
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All right. I don't think I'm going to watch it. I'm not going to watch it. Tachi, you'll watch it? I'll watch it, yeah. i've I've always been a big fan, so I got to.
00:09:58
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And it looks promising. If it didn't look promising, I you know i wouldn't even get a shot. but I mean, again, I'm just here asking. But I'm ready to be let down. Okay. I'm just i'm just here asking again why, but it's not my decision.
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Was there any other significant pieces of movie news that we saw this week that are maybe a bit more uplifting?
Deep Dive into Eyes Wide Shut Themes
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There was some personnel news in the movie world. What is that?
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Actually about me. It's I'm him. o Congratulations. Thank you. That's great. Congratulations. Thank you. Happy for you. You guys ready to get lost in the lore?
00:10:36
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Oh, I'm so ready to get lost. Let's do All right. We will get into our discussion of Eyes Wide Shut. Directed by Stanley Kubrick. The synopsis reads this.
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After Dr. Bill Hartford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. He discovers an underground sexual group and attends one of their meetings and quickly discovers that he is in over his head.
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Who was released in 1999 and stars Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. What a movie, guys. Where are you going start with it? Our letterbox love like loathe.
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Okay. Of course. Alex has five stars. Tachi has three. And I have one. All right. From five stars, we have Ella Rose Dunallan.
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Eyes wide shut. Tom Cruise witnesses a near heroin overdose, the death of his colleague, a child prostitution, a sacrificial sex cult ritual, has a run-in with HIV all over two nights, and the only thing he can think about is the idea of his wife cheating on him.
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The bond of marriage is that strong, Ella Rose.
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Good guy, Tom. This three-star comes in from Alex. Hi, Alex. Honestly, all could focus on was how they faked it so that Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise looked like they might be the same height. That was impressive.
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It was. I think she's like three or four inches taller. Yeah. ah The one star comes in from Summer Shorty. This sucked balls. Also, his pianist friend banging on the keys while he's getting interrogated by the head dude in charge is genuinely frying me like he was probably thinking, bro, you fucking the brand up.
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I don't know about you guys, but ah I've had a couple people try and infiltrate My Secret Society, and it always kills the vibe. I never appreciate it. A couple group chats get spun up after it. Like, yo, who invited this guy? Like, you know, like, we gotta figure this out. yeah Like,
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I don't think it was any of you. That's why i put you in this chat. but you know We're going to figure out who did this. Greg, he's only 34th level Mason. All right. You don't got nothing and going on. And he asked to order wings. I mean, what's this guy doing? like
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All right. This is kind of a behemoth of a movie, I feel. No? Yeah. Yeah. It's long. Two hours, 30 minutes. yeah It was a doozy.
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But I'll be honest, it kind of flew by for me. Malik had a great time watching this movie. I don't know if I could describe it. really fun? don't know I would describe it as a great or fun time, but it was interesting.
00:13:32
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This movie's been on my watch list for a very long time, as I'm sure it was for all of ours. Yeah, did you guys have any excitement level? I mean, you obviously, and I did, because we've both wanted to watch for a bit, but like Tachi, did you have any excitement going into this movie at all? like Had you heard about it I didn't even know this movie existed until like a week ago.
Cinematography and Initial Scene Analysis of Eyes Wide Shut
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Really? Yeah.
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Wow. I had no idea. So what did did like what did you know before you watched it? Literally nothing? Nothing. Wow. I just saw Tom Cruise in the little thing and that's it.
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That's so interesting. No clips. No clips of the ritual. The ritual looked like vaguely familiar, but I couldn't pinpoint. If you saw it, that's eyes wide shot.
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Right, right. Interesting. What about you, Alex? I've heard of it. I heard of this movie for a while. it I feel like it came in and out of like the consciousness as Epstein News came and went, right?
00:14:33
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so Oh, Eyes Wide Shut, Eyes Wide Shut. Epstein with those Eyes Wide Shut parties. And then Diddy with the same thing. That's usually the context I heard it in. And so, um yeah, at some point it just ended up on my watch list. And i was like, I really want to watch this movie. It's also, there's a band called Were.
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And they have a cover of a single and a cover of an album are screenshots from this movie.
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And so i was like, where did these come from? It was like, oh, it's Eyes Wide Shut. And i'm like, All right. There's one album cover that Bring Me the Horizon has that actually is a little reminiscent of like the hooded masked people in this.
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ah kind of made that connection like as i' was watching the movie. ah Don't know if there's any connection there, but that was that was something that I had thought of. I don't know if this movie, obviously amongst like like film nerds, this is a highly revered movie.
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I don't know if it's more niche or like a wider scope of like the Kubrick movies. Because it's like I think everybody knows The Shining. Everyone knows 2001. Do you guys think Eyes Wide Shut is like has more mass appeal? Or do you still feel like it's a little bit more niche? Yeah.
00:15:50
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it It has enough mass appeal that it's, i mean, it is the third most popular movie of his on Letterboxd. Okay. Behind the two that you mentioned. It's got 1.77 million people logging it as watched. Okay.
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And I don't know if that's just because Letterboxd is very niche, but i mean, like my parents had heard of this movie. They haven't seen it, but they they've heard of it. They like kind of knew what it was about.
00:16:17
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I think it did moderately well when it came out. But i I wouldn't put it in his... I mean, I wouldn't put it in his top... Like, yeah, his top... Probably four most popular. Because I'd say Full Metal Jacket and Clockwork Orange are ahead of it in terms of popularity. Like, mean, everybody knows that the the Full Metal Jacket opening with, you know, Sergeant Gunny and all that. And Clockwork Orange is just... It's a very famous movie, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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But this one's just kind of there, like, sitting in the corner. Right. And i think you're very aware that it's there and you just heard a little bit about it and you're kind of just like, why is it in the corner?
Plot Progression and Thematic Exploration in Eyes Wide Shut
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Yeah. Like I'm getting a little creeped out about it It has a little bit of like mystique to it. And it really does.
00:17:04
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i think you bring up a good point that like with kind of happenings of our actual lives, this kind of resurfaces like in the conversation. So I think that's kind of it's.
00:17:16
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its place among like pop culture is the unfortunate, probable connections that we could probably make to our reality. Yeah. Well, the bulk of this episode will be kind of going over the lore behind this movie. And i think we're all kind of learning this at the same time, but definitely do want to talk about how we personally felt or feel about this movie. Um, where do we begin?
00:17:45
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It's shot gorgeous. Yeah, it really is it is. The warm lighting of the Christmas lights. That's what I wish Christmas looked like all the time. It's the combination of the whatever the name of the different lights that we used to use for Christmas lights. The ones that were pretty flammable. I'm pretty sure they have like that that halo glowing plus shooting on film just creates such a warm inviting feeling.
00:18:09
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Yep. That ritual scene was beautiful. Like, like genuinely, like it looked so cool. T-Loney's a freak.
00:18:21
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Or not the ritual scene. Well, kind of the ritual scene. No, it's the very well shot. It's very well choreographed. Yeah. is It grabs you. Yeah. right Very, very fluid movements of the camera throughout this that...
00:18:38
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That for me, like comparing this with like 2001 A Space Odyssey is obviously a bit more um obvious here since we're not just we're not just the camera in space.
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We're floating between Nicole Kidman dancing, basically like nose to nose, having an intimate conversation. We're kind of like a fly on the wall for the entire movie. Like the whole the whole movie just feels very, it's very promiscuous.
00:19:05
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Yeah. it it feels It feels wrong. But I think it does such a great job in and putting us in Bill's shoes.
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And just evoking that feeling. it it It's insane. It's, I mean, i there's a part of this movie where it goes from like, oh, this is kind of weird and freaky to like, oh my God.
00:19:34
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Like, what is it? And it does it quick. Yeah. yeah Instantly. Like, I remember watching it. Someone texted me like, oh, how how's the movie you're watching? and I said, oh, it's you pretty good. And they responded like, Oh yeah. Like, yeah, I heard it's good. And then I'm like 30 seconds. I'm like, dude, in the last 30 seconds, this thing just went from zero to a thousand. It's before the ritual scene. I think you're just watching. We're pretty talking.
00:19:57
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Okay. Yeah. Costume shop. This is going to be a very spoiler heavy episode. This movie came out in 1999. Get a grip. The costume shop scene. yeah well That girl looked not a way too young to be doing that as an actress. yeah yep Also, content warning for this episode. it's We're going to talk about some sensitive stuff. Yeah, oh yeah we should have done that at the beginning. Yeah, that that had me very, very uncomfortable.
00:20:25
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yeah Obviously, the intention. And i think I think the question that I'll have will kind of come up a little bit later, but... Like, I was worried after that scene and knowing a ritual scene was coming up that it was going to be more of that.
00:20:39
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And that's kind of where, like, the conspiracies come in. But I wonder, obviously, that's, like, ethically wrong.
Character Interactions and Narrative Dynamics
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So I wonder if just the use of her in the costume shop is supposed to be, like, the... Like a nod.
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Yeah, like, hey, like, there's ritual scene coming up. It's this times that. Can't show it, but... I was worried about that too. Yeah. I mean, the, I think the ah reputation this movie gets precedes it a little bit.
00:21:09
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And so you're, you're everything that comes on screen. You're thinking worst case scenario. I really was. It just felt like every corner we were turning was like about to see like the worst thing that, that I could imagine.
00:21:21
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I mean, even the movie starts off with the overdose scene. That's already like, whoa. Yeah. And it's just like treating me like oh like, yeah, this girl shot up a speedball in my bathroom, dude. She's dead. like I mean, I think even like right before that, like as we're talking about like how warm the movie feels, like if you had no, like Tachi, you didn't know anything about this movie going in. Like what what were you feeling up until the overdose scene? Because like those first 10, 15 minutes, it's...
00:21:48
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it's Like you really, it's it's not like ah foreshadowing whatsoever. um I don't know. I felt pretty neutral. Honestly, i was feeling neutral up until the ah the the rental, what was it? the The costume shop? Yeah.
00:22:07
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This movie kind of felt like, up until this point, what's that movie... ah with the guy. It's like one night. Everything goes wrong. After Hours. This movie is After Hours not funny. And then nosedives. And I'm like, oh my god.
00:22:24
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After Hours gone sexual. Literally. After Hours freaky cousin.
00:22:33
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It really is. What are you doing, Step Cruise?
00:22:43
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Tom Cruise is very good in this. Of course. What a crazy, crazy. I wish he did more dramas. Yeah. I mean, the ones he's got from like the 80s. We are getting Digger this year. i know. I'm very excited for it.
00:22:57
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That's going to be, that's going to be really good. But he's like fantastic in this movie. he's He's really good. He does have one just memorable line delivery. and It's just so funny. And it's ah the weeds making you aggressive.
00:23:11
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No, no, no. It's this pot is making you aggressive. you're right. It's the fact that calls it pot. It feels very 90s. This pot is making you aggressive. What were you saying? That is very Patrick Bateman. Patrick Bateman.
00:23:27
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Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks. Yeah. Yeah, insane role for him. yeah I'm very excited for Digger to seat to see more of him. Nicole Kidman also puts on a really good performance. The standout scene for me for her is when the pot is making her aggressive.
00:23:44
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Is that the confession scene? The confession scene of the of the fantasies that she had. See, I think her, the most gripping scene for me with her is the beginning where she's dancing with a stranger.
00:23:56
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That is a very good scene. feel like she's going to cross a line. Yeah. That scene that seemed made me feel something.
Protagonist's Journey and Internal Conflicts in Eyes Wide Shut
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They had good chemistry.
00:24:08
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They had very good chemistry. like I was at the edge of my seat, and it was just like they were just like a hair hair away from each other. And the whole like basis of their conversation just sets up the movie so well.
00:24:23
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Between this like will they won't they the desire the guilt that you maybe feel the I don't know man that that dancing scene I think I agree with you just sets up the movie so well.
00:24:39
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and Shout out to that Hungarian guy. Yeah. Honestly his pickup line could have worked on me.
00:24:45
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Like, yeah, I know it's your glass. Yeah.
00:24:49
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Todd, she just got trafficked to a high-switch-up party. The balls on that guy to just take her drink. m I need to see someone try that now.
00:25:02
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See what happens. Alex. We're recruiting Excuse me. That's my drink. Yeah. Yeah. I i know. it was on a it was on purpose.
00:25:15
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So we're going to have to ask you to leave the club. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? You're right. You're right. On me. On me. yeah Good. Ritual scene.
00:25:28
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Are we jumping right into it? Well, it happens kind of quick, no? It's... it's I think smack in the middle of the movie. It's like an hour in, hour and a half in. Okay, let's wait that's it's way for the ritual. that's Tom Cruise's night out.
00:25:41
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Sure. Yeah. Okay. His night out. Yeah, he starts his after hours night. ah Starts by meeting a dead patient. Yes. Has the daughter of said patient confess her love for him.
00:25:56
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And then her fiance shows up. m crazy just sequence of events. There is a ah I guess a theory and I don't fully know it but basically saying that the dot the grieving daughter and the husband that shows up are Bill and his wife just like the alternative versions of them.
00:26:19
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Like Bill's whole world is turned upside down when um him and Alice are having the conversation where he's He's basically saying is like, I would never cheat on you because like I'm the man and you're my wife and all of this.
00:26:33
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And I know you wouldn't like women can't basically like, cause they don't think like that. Like, cause they have the man for security and that just sends her over the edge. Like he seems like got the pot center over the edge it made her a little aggressive.
00:26:49
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I think he seems like a good enough guy that maybe is just trapped in this very cookie cutter world. Where he can't really think he, it doesn't seem like he thinks of women, especially his wife, being able to have these thoughts, these like fantasies and the fact that she does just crushes his entire world. So what happens the second he leaves, he sees a woman have that autonomy and want that fantasy.
00:27:13
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And it it's just with him, with him after he just got in his mind, completely emasculated by his wife. hmm. mean, it'd be crushing if you have a kid with someone and you're you know canoodling and all of a sudden it's like, yeah, i've I've been thinking about this Navy sailor for years.
00:27:35
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Like, ah it'd be over. Yeah. it I mean, it crushes him. It like completely destroys his world.
Iconic Ritual Scene and Symbolism Analysis
00:27:41
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yeah And if I could like jump ahead... The part of the the movie where he calls the house back with the daughter, like wanting that interaction, and then the husband answers and he hangs up.
00:27:52
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Like, there there's just so much, I think, said in that scene ah that fully rounds out his character that I thought was just so interesting. Yeah, that that was crazy, especially when he was just like, we've never spoken about anything except your dad.
00:28:10
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Yeah. He just like could not process. that the sort of thing was happening or could happen. It wasn't possible even 10 minutes ago.
00:28:21
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Right. And here it is. Women are mad thoughts. Yeah.
00:28:27
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Insane. Imagine being in that situation. And her dead dad is like right there. Literally. And then you leave and then you leave and you immediately get picked up by a prostitute.
00:28:42
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Guys, I was shocked that he went in the hope the house. Me too. And not just once. Twice. What is our boy on?
00:28:54
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The girl has one thought. Girl has one thought and you just spiral.
00:29:01
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Again, they have the how the conversation that even has with the with the sex worker. I mean, it's it's it's all it's all the whole movie. The whole movie is just sex.
00:29:13
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it's that It's desire. It's all of it. Then after that, he gets a cup of coffee, and this is where he learns about the party. And you're like, oh. He learns of it from an old med school buddy who's playing the piano, who's like, I play the piano for this like secret club.
00:29:28
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and I need to go. And Tom Cruise is like, I need to go, too. Like, I have to go. And then that's when he ends up in the costume shop. Because at that point, you're thinking like, oh, here it goes. Like, here we go. Like, this movie's good. That's when you end up in the costume shop, and that's when, like, the child prostitution thing happens. And you're like, what?
00:29:47
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is Is happening. Yeah.
00:29:51
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Like this, this, I don't know how old she was when they filmed the movie. She looks really young. She jumped on screen. I was little caught off guard. I was like, whoa. Yeah. Made me very uncomfortable. And it's a really, really weird scene. But Tom, and it's like described as bad.
00:30:09
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Tom gets his costume and leaves. Yeah. And then he goes to the party.
00:30:16
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In his cute little taxi. In his cute little taxi. The way they end up finding him out, I think, is is kind of funny. They're just like, we all show up in limos. You showed up in a taxi.
00:30:28
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Limo broke down. With the receipt of your rental. Your name was on it. I'm a doctor. Obviously, we knew. Bro, he was flashing that doctor badge everywhere.
Aftermath and Psychological Turmoil Post-Ritual
00:30:42
Speaker
Does that work? I don't know. I guess maybe it did in the 90s, pre-9-11. Doctors don't have that kind of street cred anymore. I don't know. All doctors do is make TikToks and go on podcasts. Yeah, but security didn't exist pre-9-11 at all. so Isn't that crazy?
00:31:01
Speaker
just that's People just did stuff. That's why yeah just go to the gate. yeah that see thingss That blows my mind. Like you watch a movie in the 90s when the guy has to run after the girl.
00:31:14
Speaker
Yeah. Could never happen. One, long STSA lines. Two. I love the bit where it's like, oh, can my kids sit in the cockpit of the plane for a bit and watch you fly? It's like, yeah. No
00:31:27
Speaker
no one's going to fly this into a building. We have to go back.
00:31:33
Speaker
That's nuts. Um... What are you thinking when he walks into the building? I mean, you knew something bad was going to happen. We've all seen the TikTok edits. and We've all heard the music that goes along with it. Yeah.
00:31:45
Speaker
And then the song they actually pick for this scene starts playing. And I'm just like, i was just sucked into this. Oh, me too. Locked in. Like pin drop silence in the house. Yeah.
00:31:59
Speaker
Great score in this. Yep. Our boy was tickling those ivories. Oh.
00:32:08
Speaker
what What was your question? What did we think like was going to happen? what what is like What are you thinking? I don't know. like I was thinking more like human ritual, like sacrifice.
00:32:20
Speaker
like It just really felt like like this movie does such a good job at showing us just enough where like, like we are, we are Tom Cruise, like in this, like he's just kind of traversing the house, going like room to room, not really sticking around too long. And it's all kind of just like,
00:32:39
Speaker
It's all just like thrown at you. Like, what do you do in that situation? And sure enough, one of the masked women comes up to him and says like, you're not supposed to be here. ah Immediately. You need to leave. Yeah.
00:32:51
Speaker
Almost as if she like recognizes him and is like, you have to go before it's too late. Like, they will hurt you.
00:33:01
Speaker
And... That's as as soon as she comes up to him, I'm already like I'm extremely locked into the movie and I'm terrified. Like I have no idea like where this is going to go.
00:33:16
Speaker
For you, is this like, was it like Babylon but Illuminati? The opening sequence. Yeah. Like Babylon in ah having a not fun time. Yeah.
Masculinity, Fidelity, and Societal Facades in Eyes Wide Shut
00:33:29
Speaker
Babylon's like the the crazy like fun debauchery and you're just like, all right, we'll be in a little while. We're having a good time. This is like, oh, you got to go to church after this. Get cleansed.
00:33:43
Speaker
um Creepy masks. Creepy masks. Creepy masks. Like a lot creepier than I thought they were going to be. Some more creepier than others. Yeah.
00:33:55
Speaker
The husband and wife combo mask, like the husbands, really freaked me out for some reason. Never seen a mask like that. Yeah. what made my heart drop was as soon as the the security guy was like yeah well we just need to like well what do you say need to take you to your car or or something it's like he's like you got the taxi right the taxi driver's at the door he wants to ask you something and he leads him back into the ritual room and everyone is sitting there staring at him yeah oh my god legit taught me like caught me total off guard oh my god terrible that was awesome yeah terrifying
00:34:34
Speaker
That part though, that review I read with his boy at the piano, just like, oh, fuck, I know that. Like, even though he's blindfolded, he thinks that never happens. The backwards orthodox chants. That's what that was. Like the singing. Oh. It's backwards, like Eastern orthodox, like chanting.
00:34:49
Speaker
Oh, it's creepy as hell. It's so creepy. Yeah. And the score just stays, like even when we get to like just the piano, just the is the quick like one notes just loudly hitting the keys. like You could tell like how loud they hit it. I legit like jumped in my seat a couple of times.
00:35:08
Speaker
Um, but yeah, he's getting interrogated and they ask him for the second password. They're like, all right, you got the password to get in, but what's the second password? He doesn't know it And they make him take off his mask.
00:35:19
Speaker
They tell him to get naked. They tell him me to get naked. The original woman steps in that already tried to get him to get out, says that she'll take his place for whatever punishment that these freaks are going to do.
00:35:33
Speaker
And he's saved. Mm-hmm. Alex, you got a mask up there on your wall, and it's actually a lot freakier now. I do have a mask up on my wall. What is The Venetian Plague Doctor one. It's from Venice. i I bought it in Venice. Oh, nice. Or in Venezia for us cultured folk. It looked well in that party.
00:35:55
Speaker
i've ah I've actually thought about taking it and going to like the Ren Faire with it and running around in like that outfit, basically. and like just That would be good. Causing havoc. That would be good.
00:36:07
Speaker
Just like giving medicine and curing people. Like throwing grass like you're now cured and running away. That's aggressive pot. Pot is making you aggressive. ah But what else are you guys feeling like once he's out of the house, once he's in the clear?
00:36:24
Speaker
Dude, it's it's creepy. I don't feel good. How is this going to resolve? Because at this point, I'm like, this is nothing like I expected.
00:36:34
Speaker
Yeah. I expected him and Nicole Kidman's character to get lumped into the party like together, and he loses control of like that situation.
Conclusion and Character Arcs Analysis
00:36:45
Speaker
What I did not expect was him to like stumble on that, get kicked out, and be like, we will get rid of you.
00:36:52
Speaker
And for him to keep going back. Yeah, him to try and keep going back. The desperation that he has like following an encounter like that is just like out of this world. like the The nerve to go back to the home.
00:37:09
Speaker
I felt a lot more at ease at the house. with that way He went during the day at least. yeah But still, as the car pulled up and they just handed him the letter, I was literally like looking over it because I wanted to read the letters so bad. They're just like...
00:37:22
Speaker
This is the second warning. Like, stop looking. Yeah. And then like the, the second time my heart dropped was when his name was on the the front of the envelope.
00:37:34
Speaker
oh Oh, he's, ah was like, eyes he's fucked. They just had it locked and loaded. They're like, like bro's coming back to me. I think the second creepiest bit of the movie is when you realize it's being followed. Oh, yeah.
00:37:45
Speaker
With that same piano coming back. Yep. When the guy rounds the corner right as the note hits. That one literally made me like, oh, my God. Cinema. Absolute cinema. It was so good.
00:37:56
Speaker
It's so good. um Yeah, it was so creepy. It was. And then, of course, he finds out about the woman dying in her apartment in ex-beauty queen. And you're like, oh, my God, is it?
00:38:12
Speaker
He has a sneaking suspicion that it could be this woman from the party. Yeah. So he does his detective work, showing his doctor badge around town. And he runs into a ah hotel clerk, Alan Cumming.
00:38:27
Speaker
Yeah. He looks so young. He does. That was a very... happy Yeah, that one caught me by surprise. the ah Another fun alum of this movie is Todd Field. He plays the piano player, Nick Nightingale.
00:38:43
Speaker
is director of tar no way yeah that's cool that's crazy yeah Todd field hold on I'll look this up American filmmaker and still need to watch tar oh tar is so good wow that's so insane yeah good for him graduated from the keys and And he manages Lydia Tarr.
00:39:08
Speaker
What a great movie. um Where were we? Alan Cumming. Yep. The morgue. Sees the body. Finds out. He he goes to the hospital. Asks for her name.
00:39:20
Speaker
He finds out that she died. He finds out his piano player friend got sent away. Yeah. By two men. And he had a bruise on him. Mm-hmm. Guys, I'm moving at this point.
00:39:32
Speaker
I cannot continue. Sandwiched in between here, by the way, as he returns the costume and the the costume shop owner is like, yeah, pimping out my daughter now. That was just straight up. Like, yeah, you're like, what?
00:39:44
Speaker
He went from like complete anger to like, I'm calling the police whenever we see the two guys and kind of what's happening like in the shop to everyone just being hunky dory the next day.
00:39:57
Speaker
crazy And I think the most disturbing part about like that entire sequence, like both of them is how casual it ah it is.
Final Thoughts and Critical Reflections on Eyes Wide Shut
00:40:08
Speaker
I didn't really understand it from the girl's perspective, like why she's so
00:40:17
Speaker
I don't know, carefree. and In both scenes, she just like doesn't care what's going on. Like she's happy. I think it's having a great time. Just like another instance of like Tom Cruise's character's worldview being shattered a little bit.
00:40:32
Speaker
i Like, oh, like there's no way like a woman would do this. It's like, no, dude. Like,
00:40:40
Speaker
you know But obviously like a child doesn't have agency. It's just ah such a shock to the system. Yeah. and it was a shock to my... I was like, I had to rewind. I'm like, he it like what did he just say? i did too, actually.
00:40:52
Speaker
and was caught so off guard. i was like, what? Yeah.
00:40:58
Speaker
But I think that to me, the seminal scene of this movie is his conversation with his friend, Dr. Ziegler. the guy who's putting on the Christmas party that the movie starts in. The old guy. Where the OD happens. Yeah.
00:41:17
Speaker
And this friend was at the party and saw him there and is like...
00:41:23
Speaker
i mean, I was listening to that one like I was so locked in. Because I'm like what are like, what is he saying here? i have theories. What are they? So basically, for those who haven't seen it and aren't planning on watching it,
00:41:37
Speaker
Dr. Zierga says it's all show. The woman died. She just was a druggie. She was the same woman who OD'd at the beginning the movie. She's drug addict. She's going to die. She was just doing that like because she likes drugs, and it went too far one day.
00:41:51
Speaker
But everything that happened to Tom Cruise was all for show and that he needs not to worry as long as he doesn't like you know continue messing with it. Because he says, he's like if you knew who was under those masks, like you would you would throw up.
00:42:04
Speaker
he would freak out. That line made me want to throw up. Yeah. I think he was lying.
00:42:13
Speaker
For sure. And here's why. There's two lines. One of them is the line I just said about if you knew who was under those masks, you would be terrified. And the second one is he was like door locked from the inside. The police don't care. It's like open and shut case about the OD. I was like, how do you know that?
00:42:35
Speaker
Yeah. How do you know that? He's very close to it already. m Good catch. didn't even think about that. I just think he's a liar just from the vibes He does give bad vibes like ah his friend getting back on a plane to Seattle.
00:42:55
Speaker
I don't believe that for a second. No.
00:43:00
Speaker
Not at all. No way. It was a very threatening conversation. It was. it was like I felt so uneasy. Yeah. It was like very subtle like under the surface, but like you could easily interpret it both ways of like, okay, like maybe he's telling the truth, but there's just that that sinking feeling that you get. like He puts his hands on on Bill's back.
00:43:22
Speaker
I did not like that. and I did not like that at all. Did not like that one whatsoever. and I mean, at that point, like, like, what do you do as bill? Like you just go home to your wife. And then what does he find his mask on the pillow next to her?
00:43:40
Speaker
He tells all, Oh my God. He goes, I'll tell you everything. Yeah. He just immediately breaks down.
00:43:48
Speaker
Oh yeah. didn't, I didn't, I didn't, it I didn't like that conversation.
Conspiracy Theories and Missing Footage Speculation
00:43:53
Speaker
So didn't work for you guys in this movie.
00:43:57
Speaker
A little long, i go there A little long. I think if I could compare it to 2001 again, um one of the main issues that I had with that movie was the dialogue, um just because there wasn't a lot of it. And when we did get it, it just felt very matter of fact, I think is what we had said.
00:44:18
Speaker
this The dialogue a lot better in this. um But there are times when things are a little stale. But at the same time, I think that's just for this. I think it worked a little bit more for me. It felt more in line with the story and intentional.
00:44:33
Speaker
um So for, yeah, I would say like a little bit a little bit long. And then things can just feel a little stale at times. But like overall, like I was in, I'm engaged, and I'm freaked out.
00:44:49
Speaker
Freaked out. really Jimmies are fully rustled. What about you? What doesn't work for you? I think the length. There's a couple moments that drag and I think it takes a little bit to kick off, especially in the beginning.
00:45:05
Speaker
And but I think once it gets going, it gets going.
00:45:09
Speaker
I kind of like that, though. That's something that I... ate No, I liked it too, but I feel like there were a couple moments, like maybe re-watching it, I changed my mind like knowing how it set up. Because didn't really have like a lot of this movie spoiled for me, just the really the ritual scene. yeah And even then, like I didn't know much about what happens in it, just that it occurs.
00:45:31
Speaker
um So like maybe knowing it like on a re-watch, i'd be like, oh, like okay, I see, I see. But yeah, I think a lot of it is it's it's just a very jarring movie.
00:45:45
Speaker
It's a very jarring experience to watch it. i think you hit the nail ahead. It's it's it's after hours, but not fun. It's crazy considering like after hours is not not fun. No, what happens in that movie is like horrible. It is played for a more comedic tone. So turn that up to 11 and take any comedy out. You got this.
00:46:08
Speaker
um i mean, what else do you guys have to say about this movie? Like, I i really enjoyed it. i did, too. Like, for me, this is kind of the polar opposite of 2001. It's a new Christmas movie, too, to add to the the repertoire. Dude, I had that thought, and I was like, imagine putting this on for your family during Christmas.
00:46:30
Speaker
I tried to this year, this past year. I'm serious. I tried to. Because we always, like... We always try to do like one that's maybe like not a Christmas movie like but is. Yeah.
00:46:41
Speaker
This year I was lobbying hard for Eyes Wide Shut. I didn't win. Are you glad you didn't win? ah Yeah. I think watching this with my family would all of them would have been tough.
00:46:55
Speaker
There's a lot of nudity in this movie. A lot. Yeah. ah Way more than I originally thought there was going to be. People be naked. People do be naked. Um...
00:47:08
Speaker
Do you think everything that happened to Tom Cruise actually happened or was it a dream? This is based off of the last conversation of the movie between Bill and Alice.
00:47:20
Speaker
She says something along the lines of, we didn't hit on this particular scene earlier, but He comes home one night and she's kind of like laughing and he wakes her up from her dream and she is telling him all about like this vivid dream she had and she's obviously having like a very like real emotional reaction to like what happened.
00:47:41
Speaker
Pairing that with the ending of the movie, her after after Bill tells her everything that happened. She kind of just decides like, hey, like we're lucky to be alive, dreaming or not dreaming. Like we survived like our adventures and we're lucky to have survived our adventures this far.
00:48:01
Speaker
And she just like moves on, but she says it in a way. And then Tom Cruise gives it like this look where it's like.
00:48:08
Speaker
Does she believe him? I'm not sure she particularly believes him. Yeah, I don't think he was dreaming. Same. Okay. I think i also i agree. I also think it all happened.
00:48:19
Speaker
That's just kind of the vibe that it seemed like it was kind of going for. I was just curious if guys had any other like interpretation of it. I think, because ah I mean, really, like, he doesn't, except for one moment,
00:48:39
Speaker
He never actually like does anything bad. He kind of just commits the same crime that Nicole Kidman's character did. like It's mostly thought crimes. Mostly. but it's most He does kiss the sex worker. I think the movie overall is... i don't know exactly what it's trying to say, but it feels like it's... I mean i really think it's just talking about like a masculinity.
00:49:06
Speaker
I think masculinity, I think it's our, like, like our thoughts can make us, whether that be like positive or negative that like, we can't brush off a dream.
00:49:17
Speaker
We can't brush off a feeling because it's not quote unquote real. I think it's all real. Like it's all real. Like in our everyday lives, like our thoughts, our dreams, our feelings, like it's all real.
00:49:30
Speaker
that's what i'm That's what I was left with once the movie ended. That's nice. And it's just a... I mean, it's it's nice, but it's also kind of terrifying. i think in like reality, like it's nice with... like I don't know.
00:49:46
Speaker
The people you love. And like just doing the right thing. This movie feels like a cautionary tale of what doing the wrong thing can do to a person.
00:50:01
Speaker
Like when you aid
00:50:04
Speaker
HIV positive. Like what? Like what happens if like, like if your heart's not all on all in it, i don't know. That's what I'm left with. You get flown to air quote Seattle. yeah I also just think it's like.
00:50:24
Speaker
mean, where most of this mystique comes from with this movie is Kubrick died before it was released, so he never really talked about it. So it's what was he saying? Like, we don't know.
00:50:34
Speaker
Yeah. think we can know. We can surmise a couple things. But the end of the day, it's like, we don't really know his intention, why he made this. Other than that, he was passionate about the story.
00:50:46
Speaker
And he thought it deserved being told. Going back a little to Malik, when you're talking about 2001,
00:50:55
Speaker
And talking about the dialogue, the dialogue in this movie feels so intentional. And I wasn't really getting that vibe from 2001. But in this, it just feels like every line is so important.
00:51:05
Speaker
Every line. I mean, this movie is like built on conversations. Like we're saying the the ah one of the opening scenes with Nicole Kidman and the Hungarian man just having that conversation. Like I'm like, that's that's the movie right there.
00:51:18
Speaker
That's the whole thing. it's very It's really interesting, the difference between that. mean, there's what, maybe 30 years between 2001 and this? Yeah, about. So, I mean, honed in on the craft for sure.
00:51:34
Speaker
There's more to say about this movie. More conspiracy we'll get in into. Let's do our ratings before we get into crap the deeper lore.
00:51:45
Speaker
Are you ready for it?
00:51:48
Speaker
Yeah, I think so.
00:51:53
Speaker
I can go first. okay Okay. 4.5. Whoa.
00:52:00
Speaker
Great movie. That's big. It's huge. Huge. Literally the opposite of 2001 for me.
00:52:09
Speaker
Okay. I will say. Four.
00:52:19
Speaker
Four. I'll settle on four. I'll settle on four. Yeah, four's good. I'm happy with four. I'm between a four and a four and a half, and I think I'm leaning towards four right now.
00:52:30
Speaker
Okay. and I don't know why. I think this is a movie that would that can benefit from rewatches too. Absolutely. Yeah. There's a lot of, i think there's a lot of different things, a lot of different threads to pull on this movie.
00:52:44
Speaker
Yes, Alex, you're raising your hand. Where does this rank on first date movies?
Comparison to Source Material and Adaptation Choices
00:52:51
Speaker
Don't. Don't skin him a rink or this on a first date skin him a rink. At least just boring. This is like, Oh, disturbing.
00:53:04
Speaker
What? What? What is that noise you're making? Like to watch this on a first date. Yeah. Like at least skin a rink is just like skin rings. Worst crime is that it sucks and it's boring. Yeah.
00:53:19
Speaker
This is a good movie, but with like very heavy subject matter. It's not conspiracy of Eyes Wide Shut. Sure. Yeah.
00:53:31
Speaker
Let's do it. Because people have taken... Where i was talking about, like, we don't know what Kubrick was saying with this movie. there's there's ah There's another secret hidden message which people have gleaned that Kubrick was talking about with this movie.
00:53:47
Speaker
It's, again, it's gone viral the last couple years a couple times. Very relevant to current events with the Epstein files being dropped. It was very relevant when he was arrested, when he...
00:54:00
Speaker
Died under circumstances. um Because there is a conspiracy that Stanley Kubrick was murdered.
00:54:13
Speaker
By the pedo cabal. For making this movie because it was a tell all.
00:54:23
Speaker
And. So, I mean, I think to to hop into this, we need we need to get a little bit of context, right, on the making of this movie and the background of Eyes Wide Shut before it ever hit our screens.
00:54:39
Speaker
well What I didn't know until I started researching this episode was this is a Adaption, adaptation from a novella, a 1920s novella called Dream Story by Arthur Schnitzler.
00:54:58
Speaker
And I read it. It's it's not that long. and So I sat down and read it after I watched the movie. Um... Apparently he had acquired the rights to make this in the sixties and then really started working on it in the nineties, um, like early nineties. And they started principal photography in 1996. And they actually set a Guinness world record of longest continuous film shoot. It was 400 days long of shooting.
00:55:26
Speaker
That's crazy. Yeah. You said that earlier. touch And I was like, what? They shot for over a year.
00:55:36
Speaker
I don't know why. It's nuts. I mean, it's a long movie, and I think Kubrick was a very meticulous individual, right? Probably a perfectionist. You know... He'd been in the game for so long, he was probably like a little bit cuckoo.
00:55:50
Speaker
mean, let's be real. To be a great artist in the end, you have to be a little bit insane. Cuckoo for Kubrick. It was, I mean, there's even stories about him editing 2001 until its release day.
00:56:02
Speaker
Wow.
Production Challenges and Kubrick's Legacy
00:56:03
Speaker
Yeah. That's cool. How does editing work with film? Do you just literally move things around? don't know. Just splicing it together? You literally splice it. Yeah. Okay.
00:56:14
Speaker
Like the little tools they have like the little ah like in the softwares. There's like a little razor. like That's what it was. They're literally... Watch the Fablemans. You can see Steven Spielberg puts a film the way he was making his films. And it's literally just that him in his room splicing.
00:56:31
Speaker
Anyway.
00:56:34
Speaker
So here's where things get a little creepy. So March 1st, 1999, Kubrick screens this for the Warner Brothers executives, Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidner are there as well.
00:56:49
Speaker
They watch the final cut. Party line is that it went great and everyone was very happy. And six days later, 70-year-old Stanley Kubrick dies a heart attack.
00:57:00
Speaker
Wow, six days? Six days later.
00:57:05
Speaker
12 days after that, they had his funeral. It was attended by Kidman, Cruz, you know, others in the industry. Steven Spielberg was there. um And then according to, like, the Empire article about it, written in 99, his actual funeral was held on, like, a Thursday before, and, like, the the public one was just, like, for show or something. Hmm.
00:57:30
Speaker
I don't know. that i I actually honestly found nothing else besides that bit about that. And so it's just weird, but it is listed on the Empire website and it's from the original publishing days. This is 1999.
00:57:42
Speaker
So there was something going on there. i mean, it was probably just, you know, a private event for private greers without, you know, paparazzi and all that, you know, yeah media. You want to have some private time.
00:57:54
Speaker
So technically Eyes Wide Shut was an unfinished film. Yeah. While the final cut was there, there was some stuff that needed to be done. Like there was still a lot of post-production that needed to be done.
00:58:08
Speaker
It wasn't ready for show yet.
00:58:12
Speaker
So, mean, at this point, you're thinking like, where's the conspiracy, right? So this is the gist of it.
00:58:25
Speaker
On January 31st, 2026, a tweet went viral of a clip of something from the Joe Rogan podcast where all great conspiracies make their rounds.
00:58:39
Speaker
ah So on this episode specifically is Quentin Tarantino, like the Quentin Tarantino, and Roger Avery, who co-wrote Pulp Fiction with Quentin Tarantino. He's an industry guy. And in it,
00:58:53
Speaker
in this In this clip, he is talking about the yeah the original cut. And he says that the script that he has is apparently way different from the final cut of the movie. He says there's like a voiceover narration that was cut that was never added in.
00:59:18
Speaker
Um, and he's also like basically he's like I was a student of Kubrick. I couldn't really find if he had ever like worked with him before or if he was just like a fan, uh, and was like inspired by his work. But he was like, oh, like there was all this stuff that like Kubrick wouldn't have done that they did. Yeah.
00:59:31
Speaker
And, uh, you know, he specifically calls out like the prostitution scene as like missing narration, but he ends it with saying that,
00:59:44
Speaker
there's this bit at the end where they sell their daughter. It's like they being ah Tom Cruise Nicole Kimmett. They sell their daughter to the cult. That's wild. So like the last scene where they're in the toy store and she like is just running through the aisles. Yeah. Like apparently like the two guys in front of her are with the cult and they they buy her and take her away. Oh my God. Yeah, because that's the last bit you see of her. So you say in this and the tweet itself is like,
01:00:13
Speaker
The co-writer of Pulp Fiction reveals to Joe Rogan that the original script of Eyes Wide Shut was about the discovery of an elite pedo ring.
01:00:24
Speaker
After the studio watched a cut of the movie, they demanded Kubrick remove the pedal references. Kubrick fought back and ended up dead before the premiere. And according to Roger Avery, who has the original script, the film was centered around an elite pedophile ring. And the final scene in the movie was meant to depict Tom Cruise and Nicole's characters selling their child to the ring.
01:00:41
Speaker
However, if you actually watch the clip, he doesn't really say that. He just says there's this missing narration and there's it's weird. But he does harp on the pedal ring thing. I had to go back and watch the scene.
01:00:54
Speaker
Because I was like, what? And even then, I'm like, this is still flimsy. I was like, what? like It literally just looks like a child running off into a store. I mean, did you notice anything when you were watching this?
01:01:08
Speaker
I was worried that she ran off. I said, no, your daughter, go get her. Someone's going to her. But like, I think that's just a normal reaction.
01:01:19
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i yeah I didn't feel anything sus about the scene. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe maybe I just missed something. I was worried for her, but I wasn't like suspicious of any. like Right. I rewatched it three times. thanks It just it looks like a child running away. Yeah. thats That's what it looks like to me, at least. It's what it looks like to me.
01:01:39
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I did find evidence that there is these missing voiceover narrations. I found a series of screenshots of the script loaded on Imgur. It was from Reddit.
01:01:49
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Again, like take this with a grain of salt, but I mean i was reading them, and it honestly is like clunky and goofy. It would just be like, like oh, wow, like this is bad. like That's what it read like.
01:02:01
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um But they were there, so maybe this original script does have this. If this script has like the voiceovers, is the original, do we just not have the original script that would have the quote unquote pedal ring?
Final Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories and Kubrick's Legacy
01:02:20
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Yeah. So here's the other bit. There is, ah and we'll get to this in a second. There is rid like allegedly 24 missing minutes.
01:02:31
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Yeah. i did see that. The execs cut 24 missing minutes from this movie and they have never surfaced and they have been wiped from existence. Now, what Warner Brothers and everyone who worked on this movie said was edited was like post Kubrick death was like sound color correction, like soundtrack overlay and technical aspects.
01:02:54
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There were very minimal reshoots and the Kubrick estate oversaw the finishing of the movie and um
01:03:08
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ah you know, He had notes and they followed those as best they could. And that's all they claim they did. So.
01:03:21
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mean, at this point reading this, like, does this seem like a conspiracy where they would have killed him? To me? No. Like.
01:03:32
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I like I don't I don't really buy it um I want to look more into like the quote unquote missing minutes that this that this supposedly has. But like I don't i don't see a world where they kill Kubrick but still release the movie to give like a little bit of a hint. Because like you can get that kind of message from that movie regardless if there's 24 minutes that we haven't seen. Like that's still kind of what you walk away with as far as this like Masonic ritual house goes.
01:04:07
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Yeah, it doesn't exactly pull its punches. Yeah, so... And there's also the whole, you know, child exploitation in the mask shop bit. yeah Yeah. Like, why wouldn't have that been cut? So if that's really the case, like, we've heard of entire movies get scrapped.
01:04:21
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Like, if this really was the case, the movie would have never come out. Or it would have been, like, chopped and screwed. Crazy. Yeah. Without us, like, even having... with Without...
01:04:35
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A conspiracy even like coming to light of it. like It's interesting that we can kind of deduce some of these theories, but do they have any weight or validity? I don't think so. Unless... Unless they do. That's exactly what they want you to think. You got that. I got my tinfoil hat on. gotta look good.
01:04:56
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You know, Malik, it's actually funny you said that you want to look more into the missing minutes because... I did that for us. Yes. What'd you find? Well, it's funny. You should ask because I found the missing minutes.
01:05:12
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Really? no No. So I did find an interview like like a real. OK, let's rewind. Most of the sources that I could find for the missing minutes were just pure, pure schizophrenia.
01:05:32
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I mean, my... and ah No disrespect to actually, like, schizophrenic people. Big love. and
01:05:42
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um This is my favorite one. EricReports.com Here is Here's the banner. The link's on the banner.
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Home. About. Must read. News. Obama Entertainment Illuminati Gallery.
01:06:09
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And in 2017, he was posting about the Eyes Wide Shut original three-hour director cut. And it's he's got all this...
01:06:21
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this stuff in there about like all these deleted scenes where Nicole Kidman hooks up with the Hungarian guy. And then, um Nicole Kidman is in the lodge with Tom Cruise and,
01:06:36
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Um, ah this here's my personal favorite line. Probably the most interesting sequence rumored to be cut is Alice Harford's dream, which Nicole Kidman mentions indirectly. The interview asks her, why did she laugh while sleeping? Kidman replies, I was laughing at the imagery of the dream.
01:06:53
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Apparently, her character is a victim of a secret society, in parentheses, the Illuminati, and she's remembering her MK Ultra programming through the dream. Oh god. Um...
01:07:06
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And it's it's a lot of that and a lot of like Reddit threads that are just like they have absolutely nothing. And there's this really famous quote going around from Nicole Kidman where she's like, oh, like Stanley told me the world was run by pedophiles. And if you Google the quote, the only thing that comes up is like Reddit threads, like Facebook posts,
01:07:32
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Nothing valid. There's no real, I cannot find like an actual, something I've even heard of where she said this. Oh.
01:07:43
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So someone did ask Nigel Galt, who is one of the guys who finished the movie. He's credited on IMDb as the re-recording. mix ah ah He's a credit with re-recording mixture in the movie.
01:07:56
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I guess he was one of the ones who helped like spearhead the final cut. um And so this movie came out on Criterion recently. There was a re-release 4K. And they asked him about it in an interview.
01:08:08
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um And the interviewer said, I'm almost hesitant to even bring this up because it's so stupid. But I don't know if you're aware that there's this long persisting rumor and rumors being nice that about 25 minutes were cut from the the film that involve like Nicole Kidman reading from a book about the Illuminati and that this was cut after Stanley Kubrick was murdered for exposing the Illuminati.
01:08:29
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It says Galt laughs. Interviewer feels undignified to even ask you to clarify that it's not true. And Galt goes, well, it's completely untrue. hmm. And he elaborates, he says, i can tell you that nothing in the film that happened and this includes after his death involved anything that stanley wasn't aware of or wasn't aware that was going to happen the difficulty that happened with stanley's sudden demise and this was remember three days after i showed the film in new york shown it to terry semmel and bob daly at warner's and then the same night showed it to tom and nicole when i got back to london stanley was jubilant with the reaction and we had a long
01:09:04
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longish conversation and the only thing that had to be done was mundane editing stuff We had establishing shots to put in the film, you know, exterior buildings, and that was about it. There's nothing missing.
01:09:15
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That is Stanley's cut the day he died. And nothing was overedited. There's no Illuminati. I mean, i don't know where these things came from. These ideas or concepts because they've always built up around Stanley. It's just the fact.
01:09:28
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And...
01:09:31
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I haven't found anything to dispute that. Yeah. Or even like remotely suggest from Warner Brothers executives, from Nicole Kidman talking about it, from Tom Cruise talking about the movie. I haven't found anything that suggests, again, like a real sourced article, interview, whatever. And if if you find someone, dear viewer, send it. Prove us wrong.
01:09:53
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It's just a conspiracy theory at the end of the day. This is me researching watching baseball. Like, i would I'm dead. This is not scholarly. Everything we do here is scholarly.
01:10:07
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What's in those 24 missing minutes? i've I've seen just all sorts. Like, there's not, like, one answer. It's just Tom Cruise walking around New York. It's, no, it's, like, cannibalism, satanic sacrifices, like, na you know, CSAM.
01:10:24
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Nah. Just, like, don't even know where it would have been in the movie. It had it thematically make sense, right? Yeah.
01:10:36
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So, but we can take a look at something. Say, okay, look, we know this was adapted from a short story. What does that short story look like?
01:10:48
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Maybe there's some answer there on like how much was missing. How does it compare? And I read it. So ask me,
01:11:01
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How does it compare? It is almost dot for dot a remake. All right. I'll tell you what's changed.
01:11:11
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It's set in like the 20s in Vienna, Austria.
01:11:15
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There's some names changed and there's some scenarios changed about what happens.
01:11:22
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But the crux of it is completely the same story. A man finds out his wife has fantasies. Yes. Crushes his worldview. He goes on a crazy night.
01:11:34
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yeah Yeah. On Bender. The death scene, the deathbed love confession is there. Uh-huh. The prostitute is there. The ah piano player, that whole sequence is there.
01:11:49
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Tickling the keys. <unk> yeah
01:11:56
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The eyes wide shut party, the famous one, yeah is there. Beat for beat. what That's what happens. Okay. well Wow.
01:12:09
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Yep. Howie arrives, obviously, arrives in like a carriage, and he leaves in a carriage. like They take him out. They they and drop him off somewhere. um But the costume store sequence, that is exactly how it happens.
01:12:27
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That same sequence with the shop owner freaking out about his daughter and all there and then you know trafficking her after, it's there. The bit about Nightingale getting rushed out of town, it's there.
01:12:44
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The dead woman at the party in the hotel is there.
01:12:50
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the The fantasies are there. Like the dream she had, you know, the one that was MKUltra. That's in the book. Word for word, basically.
01:13:02
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There's one thing that's different. What is it? There's actually something that was added.
01:13:09
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Dr. Ziegler's character. And that whole sequence. done done so There had to be a through line to the party. That makes sense. The through line to the party was Nick Nightingale, the piano player.
01:13:24
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Something closer. Something in... Oh, you mean in the movie? Yeah, for the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Something like closer to Bill's world, current world. The opening sequence does not happen where they're at the the party. There's like mention of them coming home from a party, but it's not depicted at all.
01:13:42
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And he doesn't have a conversation with anyone inside the the party saying like, oh, it was no big deal, dude. Like, don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:52
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The closest you get is the conversation that he has with the mortician in the morgue when he's visiting the the body of the woman who died in the hotel room. Who poisoned herself is what the the story describes it as.
01:14:08
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i I don't think heroin was a thing then. Opium was, but the book describes it as poisoning herself.
01:14:18
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And even then, there's nothing that hints at, like, oh, that guy was there. Like, he knew. he was just like, oh, like, he's just there watching it, and he's very, like, nonchalant to the whole thing. But the conversation with Dr. Ziegler where he was like, there's very powerful people in that room. you know, actually, it was just a big joke. We were pulling your leg. Like, we just are messing with you.
01:14:38
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None of that is there.
01:14:43
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that's That's not in the book at all. I mean, I feel like that concept of... A high-class secret society doing... Terrible things.
01:14:54
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Terrible, terrible things has been has been around for, like, probably as long as we've had class. Yeah. And with truth to it, obviously, that we've seen and learned over the years. And so...
01:15:09
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Is that kind of where, like, just the fact that this movie depicts that and we've seen some of that in real life, is that kind of just where a lot of the conspiracies came from? Are people were just like, oh, what did he know?
01:15:22
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Yeah. But it feels like a very... Look at his death. It's not even like like Princess Diana where it was like an accident, right? A 70-year-old man died of a heart attack. It's pretty plausible.
01:15:34
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if If you look at Occam's razor... what's the most likely thing that could happen? Is it more likely that someone snuck in and poisoned him with ricin and then released the movie anyway? Because Illuminati?
01:15:48
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Or he died? A really untimely, too soon death.
01:15:55
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I mean, you kind of sound like Ziegler right now.
01:16:00
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The door was locked. Maybe I am. Maybe I am. She had overdosed before. You were there. Maybe Kubrick's door is locked. I was one year old when I assassinated Stanley Kubrick.
01:16:11
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He said, oh, look at this baby. and I said, baby wants his bottle. You're dead. That's crazy.
01:16:24
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to have To have a movie just like
01:16:28
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like birth all of these like conspiracy theories about it.
01:16:34
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Kubrick's probably just like, heh. And they're all super unfounded, too. That's the funniest bit. yeah They just showed up.
Exploration of Industry Connections and Speculations on Kubrick
01:16:42
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Someone one was just like, you know what? I'm going to start a rumor.
01:16:46
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And they just ran with it. That's every rumor. Yeah. True. I mean, like do you think he could like could he have known? i mean, he lived in England, so maybe this was a movie about Jimmy Savile.
01:17:02
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I mean, he was in the industry. Yeah. Like there's weird stories. You hear things through the grapevine. Yeah. Maybe at a party.
01:17:13
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Maybe. Yeah. Maybe at a party. Maybe just rumors. I mean, if Johnny Rotten knew that Jimmy Seville was a monster, the Sex Pistols guy. I'm sure Stanley Kubrick could have learned that as well. It's not outlandish to make a movie that reflects these things.
01:17:31
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The outlandish part is there are 24 minutes cut that the world just could not see and that it's a big old secret. Even though there have been way darker movies made. Exactly.
01:17:45
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I mean, there's like... You know the movie Solo, 120 Days Sodom? Yeah. Pierpolo Pasolini? Mm-hmm. Like, he actually may have been killed for making that movie. Oh, God. He was straight up assassinated.
01:17:57
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I still need to watch it. It's so on my list, and i don't know when I'll do it. But that was a movie. Like, I... There's a lot of theories about his... That could be a whole other episode, is Pasolini, but... That's the next one.
01:18:12
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Yeah. Jeez. Jeez. yeah Hey, for everyone, listen to... so Let's just talk about Solo. Go watch Solo. um But like he actually... like I mean, he was probably killed for his view. i actually i mean It's been a long time since I've read Pasolini's story.
01:18:30
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I'm like 99% sure he was killed for his views. Like, and that's not like, Ooh, like I'm surmising based on like, no, I just think like without having read the Wikipedia in like three years, like I'm pretty sure was assassinated. He was like an ardent communist in post-fascist Italy.
01:18:46
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And solo is like an allegory for fascism. So, you know, you, you could, yeah, he may have just been killed over making that movie. yeah Like, Oh, that guy went too far. I'm going get him.
01:18:58
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But the movie was out. It was made. He didn't screen it and then die. yeah he He made it and I think he made movies after that for a bit. And he was murdered.
01:19:11
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That's wild. Kubrick, he passed, and he was 70. He was seventy s passed away in his sleep. No accident, no magic bullet. you know No two shots in the back of the head suicide.
01:19:25
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Just regular old poison. Right, guys? Yes. Ricin beans. um Because that that's what you had to be going with. yeah
01:19:41
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But if you want to talk weird, there's a couple things. Let's get weird. Let's get weird.
01:19:51
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What I'm about to tell you guys, for those listening, these are not opinions. These are facts.
01:20:01
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I am not making any judgments or giving any opinionated statements. I just want to tell you that there are a couple weird things that orbit this movie.
01:20:16
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And they're weird. they ah this You can Google this as you listen to this. And you'll see it. Like, just not, you don't have to look far. You don't have to look on ericreports.com.
01:20:28
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Click the Obama section. Don't click gallery. It's just, it's all on Google. Do not click gallery. Yeah. Who was getting gallery? I got to click it.
01:20:40
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Obama. Gallery. Oh my gosh. What the? I know. Okay. Now I got to go click gallery. It's so bizarre. What?
01:20:54
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I don't even know how he populated this page. Like, where is he getting this from? Talk about eyes wide shut. Oh, my God. ah it's It's just, it's it's like softcore porn.
01:21:07
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Yeah. For those wondering what it is. All the way from. It's literally just women. just AI women to 1920s women. Bikini. yeah It's crazy. Don't go on Erica Ports. Yeah.
01:21:22
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ah Shout out, Eric. My boy, Eric. Eric's not pressed that Kubrick got killed. Eric's pressed that he didn't get invited. Anyways, back to the weird stuff.
01:21:36
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Back to the weird stuff. So the first thing I want to highlight is when Tom Cruise reads the newspaper about the ex-model dying in a hotel room.
01:21:48
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The byline is from a guy named Larry Salona. Larry Salona is a real guy. He was the media consultant for the movie, and he's and a New York Post police reporter.
01:22:00
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Larry Salona was the first guy to report that Jeffrey Epstein died. He's the one that broke the news from the prison that he had committed suicide.
01:22:12
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He released the article with those infamous photos of him being wheeled out that people look at the ear and say, that's not Jeffrey Epstein. He had all of that.
01:22:25
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Weird. Weird. That, I mean mean, the guy's been in York media for years. He was a media consultant for this very one specific movie. And the theory that predates Epstein dying about this movie, he's he's the guy who reports it, that he died.
01:22:46
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I mean, that's a little weird. Again, just a thing that happened.
01:22:55
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Marvin Minsky,
01:22:59
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technical advisor for 2001 Space Odyssey. He was a researcher at MIT.
01:23:09
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Pre-offense, pre-Epstein, his first conviction for a sex offense, he gave Minsky $100,000 for research. Minsky had an academic symposium on Little St. James.
01:23:24
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What? In 2002, so pre-conviction, but had another one post-conviction in 2011 on Little St. James.
01:23:35
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Tashi, do you something to say? Yes. So I looked into the New York Post real quick. um
01:23:44
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it Based on Wikipedia... My favorite website. ah The New York Post was reported in 2017 to be the preferred newspaper of President Donald Trump.
01:23:56
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And who is President Donald Trump very close with? A lot of people are telling they don't know who I am. So Tachi is going to explain who I am on the podcast.
01:24:08
Speaker
Please go ahead. Talk about me very glowingly. No. I'm okay. You're okay. I have nothing glowing to say.
01:24:20
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However, um I just think that's an interesting interesting tie-in ah between ah i guess Epstein and Larry Salona who broke the story.
01:24:36
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yeah I didn't even think of that. Another question. So yeah, Minsky...
01:24:43
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2002 and 2011. So this guy was cohorting with Epstein post sex offense conviction. Of course, his wife said he didn't do anything wrong.
01:24:55
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But again, I mean, this is this a guy in the 60s, right? Like. The movie is made in like the 60s, so I'm not. But it's weird that like another guy in this orbit was was in this. Yeah.
01:25:11
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Just an odd fact. But you're probably, dear listener, you're probably thinking, okay, but this is this is in the 2000s. This guy was, you know, talking to estein Epstein in the 2000s, which is way after 2001 was made. Yeah, it is.
01:25:27
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Honestly, that's just like a ah weird tidbit. This isn't even like, that isn't even like part of this. But and you're also probably thinking, well, Epstein was only like a thing in the 2000s. Like that's when it started.
01:25:39
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Well, no. Because the first reported like Epstein activity of him doing like Epstein stuff is in 96.
01:25:52
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Uh, where someone that he, one of his employees said he was doing some really weird things regarding her little sisters.
01:26:02
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However, Epstein was active in the eighties in some capacity Because he was the financial advisor of a guy named Adnan Khashoggi,
01:26:16
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who was the middleman in the Iran-Contra affair.
01:26:23
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And during this whole thing, Epstein was found to have fake passports.
01:26:29
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And you're the financial advisor for like the the the biggest scandal in Reagan's presidency? Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's a little weird.
01:26:41
Speaker
Again, so this guy was around this stuff before then. I mean, this isn't, you know, island, you know, presidents and all that. But it's, again, like, it's just, it's another weird thread where it's like, okay, Epstein was, in the 90s, he was doing stuff. In the 80s, he was involved in something else. Like, just weird.
01:27:04
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So could any of this have informed...
01:27:10
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Kubrick about Epstein?
01:27:14
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Well, I started thinking about the scene with Dr. Ziegler. And I thought, let's go in the mind of a conspiracy theorist.
01:27:35
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If we surmise that this scene is Kubrick telling the world that his friend told him about this stuff.
01:27:48
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And that this is like a confessional of some kind. Are there any sort of connections where a friend would know that circle?
01:28:00
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And this is real. this there's There's a Wikipedia article about this. it just literally like Google this. I'm like, please guys, listeners, I am not crazy.
01:28:10
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right I am devil's advocating. I can attest. This ridiculous conspiracy to entertain you guys. And I found that in 1996, a group called the study group was formed, a philanthropy group.
01:28:27
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Steven Spielberg is a part of this philanthropy philanthropy group. He was close with Kubrick. He was at Kubrick's funeral. The guy that founded the study group in 1996 was a guy named Les Wexner, who in the late 80s hired a financial advisor that was introduced to him by some associates.
01:28:59
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Pop quiz. Who was that financial advisor? Hmm.
01:29:06
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I'm going to say
01:29:10
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Epstein. It's actually Steve Carell in the big short. No. Yeah. it's Epstein. Dude. That's actually insane. It's crazy. And like Les Wexner was the guy that they had redacted his name from yeah the files and it got like unveiled unveiled. Yeah. Yeah.
01:29:28
Speaker
And I'm not saying anything that. is not public information. I'm not extermizing any opinions. You're also sound of mind. I'm sound of mind. not suicidal. I'm a great swimmer. I grew up near the ocean. I'm a great swimmer.
01:29:47
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My point is, if you're going to take this conspiracy for what it is, you gotta look at couple components. You gotta look at the how, you gotta look at the why, and you gotta look at the if it could happen. Is it plausible?
01:30:03
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From what we've talked about today, and disagree with me if you guys want, I don't think there's anything to suggest that 24 minutes were cut from this movie. I'm with you. None at all. In fact, if you compare it to the script, I mean to the the the short story, stuff was added.
01:30:21
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Yep. I don't know. Sure, a voiceover was cut. Okay, Roger Avery, happy a voiceover was cut.
01:30:29
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well, Tom, cri oh, this could be Satan. like's It's Satan talking. It's not what would have been. And again, even then, like the voiceover just could have been for Tom's benefit of like, this is what your character's thinking. Yeah. Act this way. Yeah.
01:30:44
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I don't know. But a voiceover doesn't change this movie. Nope. Unless it's saying something wholly drastically different from what the movie's showing us.
01:30:57
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Which would be a bit silly for a movie titled Eyes Wide Shut. Yeah.
01:31:04
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But if we're going to have that conversation, again, I wanted to exhaust all avenues when researching this. We're doing Lost in the Lore. I want to get Lost in the Lore.
01:31:17
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It is not entirely out there that Stanley Kubrick knew about this. Or had heard about it through someone who knew.
01:31:33
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I can agree there. don't he's a bad person. i don't think he was involved in this. i don't think he got murdered for it.
01:31:41
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But he conceivably could have known. Whispers of specific parties is not may have heard a rumor is that out of this world. I mean, I've heard about stuff that your guys' as friends have done or people at your work.
01:31:59
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And you guys have heard similar things about my people. No, I'm saying like oh when we hang out or when we're – I'm saying yeah when we hang out and where we're shooting you're pre-shooting this, we'll have conversation. Oh, this guy work did this, dude. He's telling me about this crazy thing that happened. You guys know the story. Yeah.
01:32:17
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but It's not out of the realm of possibility for like a Steven Spielberg or someone of like that magnitude to go to Cooper and be like, dude, I heard this crazy thing that happened. Like this dude, Lex was just or less was talking crazy at the philanthropy event. Yeah.
01:32:35
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du Like that could happen. That's not even that like out of the realm of possibility. Yeah.
01:32:43
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I don't think he got killed. He did not get killed for this. he it I mean, they people have said and done so much worse towards like this group.
01:32:54
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yeah You're going to kill Kubrick for like a 70-year-old guy because he made like a movie that was an adaptation a faithful adaptation of a short story. And you know what? will It's a great movie. It is movie. So far, it's my favorite Kubrick.
01:33:08
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I want you to watch Paths Glory next. That's my favorite. it Seems like we just need to have like a a Kubrick month. Kubrick month. Kubrick month. Kubrick. Kubrick. Kubrick. I like Kubrick. Kubrick.
01:33:21
Speaker
Kubrick. I like Kubrick. Kubrick. Kubrick. Rubber. Rolls off the tongue really nicely. Kubrick. Kubrick. but Kubrick. I don't know. we're well We'll work on it.
01:33:35
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but Well, we said a lot. Thanks for walking us through the lore. I think all of that is really interesting. Yeah. and Give your thoughts. It makes you just go like, oh, I mean,
01:33:49
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I think just makes you think about it a little bit more. One last thing I want to say about the conspiracy theories. Eyes Wide Shut is 12 letters.
01:34:00
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No, what else is 12 letters? What? Watch out, Stan. Also, look, comma, pedo ring. So, you know, make your own conclusions from that.
01:34:16
Speaker
Wake up, sheeple. Ladies and gentlemen, you are hearing something for the first time that I don't even think the man himself, Alex Jones, could have conjured up. Brand new sentences here. This is esoteric knowledge at its most valuable.
01:34:32
Speaker
Tachi, you are going to be the first one to get knocked off now. It was going to be me, and now it's going to be you. Oh, darn. Oh, well. Dang it.
01:34:43
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Plot says you wake up and Tachi's the one knocking you off. He's got like a silenced pistol and he's like, it's a suicide. Then you just fade to black. Knocking you off sounds crazy. I'm sorry. I've never heard that before. You've never been knocked off before? That's crazy. Getting whacked. Trying to kind of knock off with my boys.
01:35:02
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ah All right. i'm ah Yeah. So we're a lost in the lore and we hope you were too.
Conclusion and Encouragement for Further Exploration
01:35:12
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but Make your own conclusions.
01:35:14
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ah If you're upset about what you've heard, you should be. Because regardless of Kubrick or Eyes Wide Shut conspiracy theories, there is a very real problem going on in the world. Oh, yeah.
01:35:25
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And it's very disturbing. It's very sad. And hopefully one day justice will prevail. And yeah. That's all I can say.
01:35:38
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Because I don't want to get knocked on.
01:35:42
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Well, thank you guys for getting lost in the lore with us. Let us know what you thought of Eyes Wide Shut. And maybe you can look into a little bit more of the conspiracy theory for yourself as well. we'll We'll give a prize to whoever can find the most diabolical thing in the files relating to this episode. Or the most dialog dial out oh my god diabolical thing on Eric Reports.
01:36:05
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Dialogical? I'm never opening Eric Reports again. that The prize we'll give you is... We'll shout you out on the pod. We'll let you intro the episode. How about that? Oh, that'd be fun.
01:36:16
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Well, thank you so much for listening. Have a great day, night, weekend, and we'll see you in the next one. Bye. Peace.