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Lost In (The) Translation
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This week, we're talking one of Alex's favorite movies, Lost In Translation.
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Introduction and Episode Teaser
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isuna no minaan konishua lo du in the ferremo po casto yoor pao naiti nor tacida What was that?
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I was introing in Japanese. Wait, do I say my name introduced myself. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. I'm Malik. I'm Alex. Did I sound okay? Was that believable? For as long as I've known you...
00:00:41
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I've never heard you actually speak Japanese. Oh, thanks. That was pretty good. He could have been saying anything and I would have taken it for granted. I could have said anything. I don't know if I trust Google Translate, late but... What exactly did you say?
00:00:55
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Hello, listener. Welcome to the Lost in the Frame podcast. I'm your host, Tachi. Beautiful. Very fitting. Very fitting for the movie we're talking today. Today we're talking Lost in Translation.
00:01:07
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i think it's one of one of the host's favorite movies. Who who is that?
00:01:14
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Dude, that's my favorite dance move.
Favorite Movies Discussion
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It's me. It's me. It's one of my favorite movies. How excited were you that we finally decided to watch this? Dude, stoked. Absolutely stoked. It's one of two bangers we're watching this month to to celebrate our friendship.
00:01:29
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Yes. I'm excited for for the other ones we have. Before we do our movie news, I think movie news is light. Tachi, you had a beautiful idea for us and for the listeners. Tell us all about it.
00:01:42
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Right. So...
Rapid Review Segment
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thought it'd be fun if the three of us chose a movie ah since the the last episode that we recorded and described it as well as we could within 15 seconds.
00:01:57
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And so that's what we're going to do. We're going to call it a rapid review for now. Rapid review. We'll have a ticking clock sound or something. We'll workshop it.
00:02:08
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Yeah. But I'm in. It was your idea. so you go first. So 15 seconds. Sure. I'm ready. All right. What you got? What's your 15 second rapid review of the week? It's going be on Hairspray.
00:02:19
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And three, two, one. Hairspray. Really unhinged. Surprisingly funny. James Marsden is great. Everybody's great. Script is great.
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John Travolta is a woman. Watch it. Shout out Nikki Blonsky. Hey, this is Nikki Blonsky from Hairspray.
00:02:42
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y'all see that video of her doing the cameo where she like lost a tooth no like like it looks like it like so she's filming a cameo and she's in the middle of talking and you can kind of see her like messing with one of her teeth and like clearly it falls out i don't know what she does with it she like shoves it in the back of her mouth she's like anyway and then And did she like keeps talking.
00:03:10
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I don't know. I don't know she swallowed it or just shoved it in the back, but clearly like something came out. If it wasn't a tooth, was maybe a big piece of corn. Let's hope it was corn. Let's hope it was corn.
00:03:21
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All right. I'll go next. My rapid review of the week will be Minority Report, starting now. Minority Report, starring Tom Cruise, starring Steven Spielberg. I had never seen this.
00:03:34
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Think Spielberg wants to do The Matrix, wants to look at what a future police state could look like and the consequences of that. It rips. I got it on 4K DVD. There's my review. Alex, what you got?
00:03:45
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I have 1961's La Notte, directed by Michelangelo antonny Antonioni. Antonioni.
00:03:58
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Wow. I'm embarrassed. I'm supposed to be the Italian one. Anyway, here's my review. I don't need 15 seconds. An Italian couple goes about their day and night, and the husband acts really Italian.
00:04:12
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Four stars out of five. Really good. Oh, we should give ratings too. Yeah, I gave Minority Report four stars out of five. I also gave Hairspray four stars out of five. Nice. Wendy's four for four. Don't call it comeback.
00:04:24
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Nice. i don't I should re-watch Hairspray. I haven't seen it since it came out. It really surprised me. Have you guys seen Minority Report? I think when it came out. Nope. But I was like a baby.
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Okay. Have you guys seen La Notte? Have not seen La Notte. Can't say I have.
Casting News and Movie Ticket Trends
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Uncultured. Not Italian. Gabagol.
00:04:47
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um Movie news was light. Sebastian Stan. Cast as Batman. Wasn't that already? Like we knew that? I don't know. I saw a post. I thought it was breaking news. Maybe it wasn't.
00:04:59
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I thought it was rumored, but now it's kind of been confirmed. Okay. Because I think they're going to start filming the Batman 2 in June officially. Finally, dude. Way too long. When did Batman one come out? 2021. I was still a contractor at the old company we used to work at. That's crazy. A contractor.
00:05:22
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Yeah. March 4th, 2022. That's insane. So five years, way too long. Yeah. I took a day off to go see it. And Dolby. I was the only one in AMC Barton Square at like 11 a.m.
00:05:36
Speaker
We got three Doom movies in five or six years. We're barely getting two Batmans. You know what? I'm going to say it. Be brave. If the script is right, I'll wait.
00:05:50
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I'm just impatient. I fully trust it. You got a TikTok brain, bro. yeah Because I'm upset that we're waiting six years for a movie.
00:06:01
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Yeah, dude, stop watching those 15-second videos and getting your Starbucks soy lattes liberal. Well, Tachi's contributing to the brainwound with 15-second reviews now. we're just Yeah, you're welcome, society. How do we scroll these?
00:06:20
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Speaking of Dune. How are we feeling? So they dropped Dune tickets the other day for IMAX 70 millimeter. I'm seeing a lot of discourse online about the concertification of movie tickets, a la Dune 3 and the Odyssey selling tickets a year in advance.
00:06:39
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Do you guys have any thoughts or opinions on, do you think this is like a concertification of movies? How do you feel about it?
00:06:50
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if it's for the high-end like Dolby IMAX stuff I don't think it's that big of an issue it's a much smaller crowd that's that devoted spending that much money to see a movie on, unlike opening day.
00:07:06
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Yeah. How do you prevent it though? Like a lottery? Like you can't just prevent people from buying it immediately when it drops. If people are that excited because the hype is there. Yeah. And it's going to happen.
00:07:18
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The only way is if there was like a lottery and you put your name in and then you got to go in I think what people are mainly upset at, and it seems like I'm sure everyone's upset at this, but like there are scalpers and bots that end up scooping some of these tickets. I need i saw the listing for like two k Yeah. And I need to know if anyone... if like Do they make money? If anyone is stupid enough to actually do that, because it's like, I don't think it's a kind like a...
00:07:49
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I don't think it's like a concertification of movies because you're going to get to see the movie, maybe not at 7 p.m. Thursday night, but Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.
00:07:59
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It's still going to be there. It's just who's first, I guess. You risk spoilers, though. So there is some risk involved. Yeah, but you can unplug. No, you can't, dude.
00:08:11
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You can't. you can' If you can't unplug, then and that's on you. I can't unplug. I'm plugged in right now, actually. like it's The cord is in. Anyway,
LA Culture and Personal Anecdotes
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I tried to get tickets in LA to Dune 3. That's what you get for trying to move to LA, first Guys, I'm going to live 20 minutes away from an IMAX screen. More like 20 minutes as the crow flies, not with that l LA traffic hashtag Austin gang.
00:08:43
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Bro's coping. throwoppa Traffic is notoriously good here. And we're still going to live in God's time zone. you Is central time God's time zone?
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Yeah. Why is that? Because it's the like the... Things start late where like prime time has that aura. But you get to go to bed at a reasonable hour. Is this like more sports? Yeah, it's more sports. Okay, so it's not really going to...
00:09:12
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Not really going to affect me. You're moving to LA and you're not going to be into sports. That's ridiculous. I told you I'm going to become a Dodgers guy. Oh my God. ah Is that not okay? What are you going root for the empire now? you you want Okay. You want me to be a sports guy. I say, Hey, I'm going to do this and I'm doing it wrong.
00:09:38
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That's like, I'm going to be a a nations guy and you pick Nazi Germany. That's crazy. Tachi, you like Otani, right? eat I do.
00:09:51
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i do. but Why'd you ask him that? no i don't know. It's like a culture thing. I love Shohei Otani. And I like, there are a lot of Dodgers players I like because they buy all the best players.
00:10:07
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If you got money, spend it. Oh, look, I don't know the, the, there's 150 years of context. You need to understand the why the the Dodgers, the worst.
00:10:20
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I just want to live a simple life. I want to go to a baseball game. I want to have a hot dog. I want to have seven beers. or You can do that at a round rock express game. Oh, that's me. if That's what I want to do.
00:10:32
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Or Longhorn. Longhorn baseball is pretty good this year. Shout out Longhorns. If you're listening, I love you. I spend too much money on you. Please win a championship one of these years.
00:10:43
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OK, do you guys want to talk about a movie? No, I guess neither. What else should we talk about? and of a movie Let's talk about the state of the world. OK, let's talk about the state of the world.
00:10:54
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Let's talk about dead grandma. Did you watch it? Yeah, I did. It's actually kind of crazy. It's really crazy. Dead Grandma is a 80-second short film on YouTube.
00:11:06
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Go watch it. It'll take literally a minute of your time. No spoilers. Actually, it'll take 80 seconds, like a minute and 20 seconds. Okay. All right, guys. not on that Pacific Coast time where seconds don't count.
00:11:22
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i'm smoking too much dope on Venice Beach. You're such an old man. It's crazy. I've only heard dope in movies. Old movies.
00:11:37
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This pot's making you aggressive, Alex.
00:11:42
Speaker
Guys, the move is so soon and I'm so scared. It's getting too real. Oh, we could talk about the moon. Y'all been keeping up with the Artemis launch?
00:11:55
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It's beautiful. It's fake. It's awesome. I mean, yeah, it's great. It's so cool. i got my I changed the wallpaper on my phone to the picture of Earth that they got. That's us. We're all in this picture.
00:12:09
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Looks a little flat to me. Whoa. Wake up, sheeple. Every video on TikTok about the moon mission or the pictures of Earth, anything, there's always someone in the comments.
00:12:21
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How could they do this? How did they get past the firmament? Why do they only post pictures? They're just floating there? Hmm, seems like Hollywood's at play here.
00:12:34
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you're spitting facts. i don't know what to tell you. We are just reading Alex's comments. I'm not a flat earther. I'm not a flat earther. I'm many things. Alex believes in something way worse. He's just a giant space turtle.
00:12:50
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That makes more sense. That makes more sense than flat earther. The turtles all the way down thing, it's more legit. I i swear. It sounds cooler. It does. It sounds so cool. Yeah.
00:13:04
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and And honestly, that's why it makes more sense because the universe in the world is cool cool and turtles all the way down is cool. It's also a great Sturgill Simpson song.
00:13:16
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I'm actually reading a book about not a turtle, but a tortoise. What is he doing? He's just racing a rabbit. Living. It's called The Tortoise's Tale by Kendra Coulter.
00:13:26
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It's pretty good so far. I hope nothing bad happens to the tortoise. Me too. You'll have to keep us posted. I'm only like 20% of the way there. Okay. You read, you measure books by percentage. That's what it says my Kindle.
00:13:39
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Oh, I don't count the pages and do the math. Okay. I was like, wait a second. Okay.
00:13:45
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All right. Now, can we talk about a movie? Sure. All right. All right, Alex, I'm going to let you intro this, and then I also want to hear a brief history of why you love this movie so much, if you wouldn't mind sharing with the class.
Deep Dive into 'Lost in Translation'
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All right. um So... Lost in Translation came out in 2003, directed by Sofia Coppola, who we've talked about on this podcast many a times. She is, she should be everybody's favorite Nepo baby.
00:14:17
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We do have a Nepo baby episode. If you go back and bring her up, talk about the history. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I go crazy too about it. You do? Yeah. You like shed a lot of light that like neither Tachi or I knew. oh yeah, I did the whole family tree and I somehow connected to Daft Coppolas run deep. It's insane. They do run deep.
00:14:38
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Like I'm a little, like I'm i'm hoping that there's a ah branch that connects to me somehow. There's gotta be. There's gotta be. um so lost in translation directed by sophia coppola came out in 2003 everybody wants to be found two lost souls visiting tokyo the young neglected wife of a photographer and a washed up movie star shooting a tv commercial find an odd solace and pensive freedom to be real in each other's company away from their lives in america starring bill murray scarlett johansson giovanni ribbizzi God, I can't do Italian last names today. Anna Faris and... I dare you.
00:15:22
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That's really it for a like actors, professional actors. When's the first time you watched this movie? ah COVID, 2021. Okay. okay But actually, there's a caveat.
00:15:34
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Because in like the sixth grade, maybe the seventh grade, i'm I'm having a sleepover at my buddy Antonio's house. Shout out Antonio. And he's like, dude, Scarlett Johansson's in this movie.
00:15:50
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She's crazy hot because she puts on this pink wig. And so we watched the karaoke scene in like middle school. And for years, the only thing i knew about this movie was that karaoke scene. And it stuck with me for some reason. because i get Probably because Scarlett Johansson started popping up for Black Widow ah so yo Are you saying Johansson?
00:16:11
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I did say Johansson. I'm trying to compensate for my terrible Italian pronunciations by ah being better with German. Is it actually Johansson? I think it's actually Johansson.
00:16:23
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Wow. Learned something new today. That's neat.
00:16:29
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But yeah, i just then one then during COVID, I'm like, you know what? like I watched like a movie a night with my dad. Yeah. So I'm like, we should watch this movie, Dad.
00:16:41
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like I want to watch for a bit. I remember we watched it, and I remember saying, like that was pretty good. And like the next day, like, I was actually really good. And by the end of that week, I was like... I'd die for this movie. We're going to war for this movie.
00:16:55
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Yeah. And I've seen it like five or six times. This does feel like a movie where, and we'll get into it, but like if you watch this at like a specific point in your life, it can just hit all of the right notes.
00:17:09
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I've seen a lot of reviews where that kind of say exactly that, but I'm excited to talk a little bit deeper about it with you guys. Let's get into it. Do you want to hop into our letterbox love like loathe?
00:17:22
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Let's do it. That sounds like a great idea. So I'm on five star today. And this was not because I love the movie. This is just how it happened. Yeah, someone edited the. No, dark no. Go back and look at the previous one. Go back and look at the previous one. We we all have access to the doc. All right.
00:17:39
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You know, the stars. I was actually i was actually for five star. No. Because it goes like it it shifts. Yeah, I was one star last week, right? Yeah, that means you're a three star.
00:17:51
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No, it's the other way, right? I don't know. we make it up i thought it goes the other way around. I thought i thought it was like one to five. Like Tachi's five. I'm three. It slides right to left. Like it slides. And then like, it makes no sense. It's reverse snake.
00:18:08
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That makes absolutely no sense. I think in my head, just it was like a left conveyor belt. That's crazy. Like a conveyor belt. All right. Anyway, it's fine.
00:18:20
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You just had to do that to me. you just had to make me be look down on my own podcast. You know what? You know what? I'm muting you. Oh, I can't mute you. What the heck? I can mute you, but I won't do it. All right.
00:18:33
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Our five-star review. This one comes from Allie with a text thing that looks like a bow.
00:18:40
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I'm getting a lot of these like text characters ones. Because it's not an emoji, but it's not like a special. God, what is that? And this one is when you think lost in translation, i hope you think of me.
00:18:54
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Heart. Ali, I don't know who hurt you, but I hope this hurt them. Oh. Hmm. Snapping. right. I've got today's three starts where i by Tamar.
00:19:08
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Shawn Mendes was there. Where?
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Tokyo. Oh, is that the review? Yeah. oh um Our one star comes from Yanning T.
00:19:25
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Racism and infidelity, the movie. Is this shit supposed to be good? Because I've literally never hated a movie this much. If I was Spike Jonze and I saw this, I'd be glad our relationship failed.
00:19:36
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This is genuinely complete dog shit. Reeks of orientalism and what the hell is that age gap? Genuinely, this movie should not exist. Sorry. It's passion, baby. That is passion.
00:19:47
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Like we said, there's always a lot of passion in these one stars. um Let's open this up with Sofia Coppola. This is only the second movie of hers that I have seen.
00:20:01
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What's the first one? Marie Antoinette. Have not seen it. Wait, let take another guess. Let me take another guess. yeah Priscilla. Priscilla. I haven't seen any of her other movies before.
00:20:14
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There's some pretty big blind spots in here for me. um I wasn't a fan of Priscilla. I gave Priscilla ah two and a half out of five. Whoa. Yeah. I just, it just did not, it just did not click with me. And so obviously I know the name Sofia Coppola, but like actually watching movies is I'm very unfamiliar with.
00:20:32
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Lost in Translation, as we know, has been on my watch list for a while. So I was excited to to be able to finally watch it. I bought it on DVD preemptively, like before actually seeing the movie.
00:20:46
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So hopefully I liked it. i don't know. Yes, if you hated the movie, can you give me the DVD? Because I bought it on Blu-ray. Yeah, it's because it was $4 to rent on Amazon to buy on Blu-ray and it had extra features. So i was like, I'll spend the extra five. It's a good deal.
00:21:04
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What about you, Tachi? Any history with Sofia Coppola? I've seen most of Priscilla, but I just couldn't finish it because I was so bored. I'm sorry.
00:21:15
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well I love Kelly Spaney, but man, that movie, just nothing happens ever. So, I'm sorry. I'm with you.
00:21:25
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I mean, I give it a two and a half. I disagree, actually. It wasn't my favorite. Yeah. thought that movie had a lot to say. i mean, maybe it could be worth a rewatch.
00:21:37
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I'll finish it one day. Is this your favorite Coppola, Alex? sophifiia Your favorite Sofia Coppola movie is Lost in Translation's favorite Sofia Coppola movie. Yeah.
00:21:48
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Okay. My problem with her is this is the first one I saw, and so every other one I watch, I'm like, that was pretty good. Wasn't as good as Lost in Translation. Just doesn't hold up. Now, my sister... my sister My sister loves Virgin Suicides.
00:22:04
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think my sister gave that a five star. And a good friend of mine really stands Marie Antoinette. it All of these movies are very familiar. I just haven't seen.
00:22:15
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But I've heard of all of them. And they're all on my watch list. All right. Where do we want to start with this movie? With what we like? Alex, i don't know if you're to have anything negative to say about this movie.
00:22:31
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As the, okay, so you said that the first time you watched this, this kind of grew on you as the week went on.
Exploration of Themes in 'Lost in Translation'
00:22:38
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What specifically, like what, what spoke to you so highly about this?
00:22:43
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Well, I mean, ah let's be real. This is a movie where nothing happens. Absolutely nothing happens. And it's pretty much just vibes. Mm-hmm.
00:22:58
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And so i think it took me a bit for the the something and the nothing to set in. And when it finally did hit and I thought about it, I was like, okay, i get it.
00:23:11
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Yeah. And I love it. I mean, this was during COVID, so pretty locked away, pretty lonely. I was a few months, maybe a year off a breakup.
00:23:26
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Right into COVID, so... You know? Rough time. Yeah. Yeah. It's, ah you know, never fun, right? um
00:23:39
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And I just... It clicked. It really did click. ah For me, I think... One of the things that really spoke to me the ah the first time I watched it was not so much the story, but really like got into my head and wouldn't leave was just how it looked.
00:24:04
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i mean, shot on film, it was made using like entirely natural light. ah like I think the ah official term is like available lighting. They only use that.
00:24:15
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it's It just feels like a very like real movie, and it captures the essence of loneliness so well. And Tokyo has always been a city that I've wanted to go visit for as long as I can remember.
00:24:34
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And this movie made that desire into like an insatiable itch. And I still haven't gone. And one day I'll go.
00:24:46
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um But it it's just... it makes a, it somehow is telling a story about how alienated you feel in this place, yet makes it so appealing.
00:24:58
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Like you do want to go there and it pairs it with such a killer soundtrack too. Oh my God. the The fives, the fives in this movie are just insane. it And I think my last thing before I let you guys take, take some, some time to think here is I believe in one of the episodes, I said that for me to consider a movie 10 out of 10, five star, there needs to be like a scene that grabs me.
00:25:31
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And the final scene of this movie ties it all together so well that I think about it like once a month. I've thought about it every day since we rewatched it.
00:25:44
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And... I've always like wished that I could have like a moment like that in my life. And I love that scene so much. And I wish and I hope one day I can write a scene as good as that.
00:26:01
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That's Mount Rushmore for me. Is that movie is like. directed so well it feels like such natural movie and you brought up that they only use like available light for ah for shoot for shooting the entire movie and it gives this very like natural and fluid feeling like every scene feels just so real and so lived in and i love that it's completely like, like shot on location that they all went out to Tokyo to film this and they just use what they had. Like the craziest bit about that is they just like did that. Yeah.
00:26:45
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For all of the public scenes, they, if they didn't have any permits. They just went and filmed. Yeah. It's just all of those people in the backgrounds are just like people walking around.
00:26:57
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A lot of like the you know have like a scene for like one second are just random people. Yeah. I mean, her friends are the the Japanese friends that ah Bob and Charlotte link up with. like Those were Sofia Coppola's actual friends from when she lived in Tokyo.
00:27:15
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They're not professional actors or anything. That is really cool. Yeah. Um, but but they literally just went and made this movie. Uh, another fun fact is that the hotel wouldn't let them film.
00:27:26
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Like wouldn't let them film most of the time until after one in the morning. Oh shit. Yeah. Because they didn't want to like interfere with the guests. Yeah. So they could only film in like this very specific timeframe to not disturb everybody. Cause it's a nice hotel, like a really nice hotel. Like a 1 to 6am timeframe. I'm sure. Honestly, with jet lag, that might work.
00:27:47
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like that might not even be a problem immediately off the jet lag or just the night owl yeah oh it'd be so cool Tachi how about you how what did you think of the movie overall you've been to Tokyo right yeah yeah yeah um i feel really split I feel really conflicted right now i just finished watching it like an hour before we started recording.
00:28:13
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And so everything's pretty fresh. I'm out time to sit marinate. There are like two or three things that i think will take a lot of the discussion today.
00:28:24
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One, the cinematography. Two, the, I guess what seems to be the most controversial part of the movie, which is Bill Murray's character's attitude towards Japanese people.
00:28:39
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And I guess kind of how they're portrayed in the movie as just like loud distractions happening around him. And then three, I guess would just be him in Scarlett Johansson's relationship.
00:28:52
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And so all that is just like swirling around in my mind. So I'm not really sure where I sit, but it's a beautiful movie. They acted their asses off, especially Scarlett Johansson. She was awesome.
00:29:07
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Really, really, really awesome. Probably my favorite part of the movie. And I did love the vibes in this movie. There's so much that's left unspoken.
00:29:19
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The music's great. the The silent scene at Fuji was awesome. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. That was sick. I can't stop thinking about that scene, actually.
00:29:31
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but Yeah, that's that's kind of where my head's at. I know it's kind of a mix of things, but that's what's going on right now. I mean, like we said earlier that like this movie, quote unquote, nothing happens. I think a lot happens.
00:29:44
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It's like, it's like a lot and so little at the same time. And I think that's just the charm of it. Like it takes, it takes a while for us to even get our two main, our two main actors interacting with each other in the movie. Like we're with Bill Murray's character,
00:30:00
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but We're splitting our time between Bill Murray's character and Scarlett Johansson's character, but they're alone. They're by themselves. And the movie is really taking its time and letting the audience get to know each of them before they really start interacting.
00:30:13
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And the entire movie is just like... this uh this study into loneliness where even amongst the sea of people like how lonely ah person can feel and I'm sure we've all felt that at some point in our lives and it's never a great place to be in but the thing that makes life worth living are like those relationships that you have and then for this movie it's this this is random relationship that you really wouldn't think would come about between these two characters. Like Bill Murray's character being like a dated movie star who's now kind of indebted to doing these whiskey commercials in Japan. And he clearly does not want to be there. in
00:30:59
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maybe he's got like, maybe all of his dreams came true, but what we're seeing right now is just this like lonely man. And Scarlett Johansson's character, while young is feeling so much like melancholy, like in her own relationship.
00:31:15
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um And so it's just about so much. And it seems so like the movie just seems so simple.
00:31:27
Speaker
And I think that's what I really enjoyed about it. There's a lot of un going on. There's a lot of unspoken. They feel unseen. They feel unheard. so it's like a very minimalized movie in so many ways.
00:31:39
Speaker
I want to talk about one of the points you brought up. Oh, the the one about Bill Murray was ah his attitude or maybe his character's attitude towards Japanese people and his treatment towards them, his...
00:31:54
Speaker
just general disposition that they were constantly annoying him. That was the one thing. the The other thing was just like his relationship with Scarlett Johansson's character. Alex, I'm curious on your thoughts on the, his treatment, like around like the people that he's with and how maybe you see that.
00:32:11
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Yeah. He's, he's not a good person. he He's not. He's an old, jaded, washed-up actor from another time in a place where he doesn't want to be and he has a terrible attitude.
00:32:23
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yeah And he's rude. And he's taking out his frustrations on his own life on other people around him.
00:32:31
Speaker
Yeah. It's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable to watch. I mean, you know, it's... Certainly, I think, probably that some of that is product of the times, right? Yeah. just the era we live in now watching something from the past.
00:32:45
Speaker
But i mean, I don't really think, and I've never really thought you're particularly supposed to like or emulate Bob because he's pretty miserable.
00:32:55
Speaker
Right. um That being said, i think that, you know, it's, I don't think that Sophia wrote it from a place of malice.
00:33:13
Speaker
And i think it's mostly a part of his character because he's the only really character where that stuff happens or comes from. Right. Right. You know, Charlotte has a lot of, she's clearly been here before.
00:33:26
Speaker
She has friends here. You know, she's very experienced with it. And, you know, she, she kind of shows Bob around even though she's stuck and she's lonely because I think they're lonely for two different reasons.
Character Relationship Analysis
00:33:43
Speaker
Um, but that's where they find themselves together. As far as the age gap thing goes, if you're looking at it in a purely romantic sense, yes, it's, it's, that's a big age gap.
00:33:59
Speaker
Um, However, I think where some of this movie, especially the writing, has a lot of subtlety is i don't think it necessarily has to be read as a romantic relationship.
00:34:13
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And I feel like every rewatch I do, I go back and forth on if it is or not. Um... And I think currently I've settled on that it is not. It's more just like a a caring relationship between two people.
00:34:31
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um Because, you know, Bob and spoilers for a movie that's like over 20 years old. ah Bob, I mean, he he cheats on his wife. He's married, he has kids, and he cheats on his wife in this movie.
00:34:43
Speaker
um He's kind of given the opportunity to do that with Charlotte, and he doesn't. He doesn't even like make a move or try. i see it... so It can be read as just almost like... and Maybe not paternal, because it's not quite paternal, but it's not quite romantic. I think it's just like a loving relationship.
00:35:08
Speaker
It's in the middle of like romantic and platonic. it's It's a relationship that's lost in translation. Yeah, and it feels like... And it feels like they both know that as well. And I think that's why the script really, really works because like, it feels like both of these characters are grappling with that fact. Like in this type of given situation,
00:35:32
Speaker
it kind of does feel like it's going to end up in like in a sexual type of relationship. But with these two, it's this bigger feeling that both of them are feeling that neither of them are making a move toward each other. And like you said, Tati, there's a lot of,
00:35:50
Speaker
unspokenness throughout the movie and a lot of mirrored scenes of like example like I have a scene of Charlotte watching TV and of Bill Murray's character like watching TV just like alone kind of looking very very sad very depressed and then the scene that we get later on in the movie of them two just like watching TV together is just so intimate And like, but nothing, nothing happens.
00:36:17
Speaker
And it's like, we're meant to think this movie feels like an anti-rom-com to me. Like it feels like very anti and that's perfect. Yeah. It feels like the, the tropes that we expect never happen.
00:36:31
Speaker
And not to jump too far ahead, but like once you're talking about the last scene, Alex, when he, when she, when he chases her um through the street, that's like the big rom-com moment like i'm running to get the girl i'm staying with the girl like we're doing that and yes there are aspects of that but i think the part um that really culminates this idea of an anti-rom-com is the whisper that he tells her we don't know like what he said but whatever he said that there's people who think they've decoded what he said interesting
00:37:06
Speaker
But so we'llll we'll get to that. do want to watch at least you don't know what you don't know what said, but you see that things are left better than they were when they said bye at the hotel. And so it does feel like they are stuck between this like platonic and romantic aspect because yes, they do kiss.
00:37:24
Speaker
But I've also lean more, more platonic. And it was just more of a two souls like bonded. Yeah. That found each other.
00:37:35
Speaker
it's It's funny that you bring up the TV scene specifically because that's a really meta moment. ah Because the movie they're watching is an Italian movie called La Dolce Vita. yeah Another all-time great movie with an all-time great ending scene.
00:37:50
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It has the very famous scene of Anita Ekberg dancing in the Trevi Fountain. ah You've definitely seen stills of it. um That is a movie...
00:38:02
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Considerably longer than Lost in Translation. It's like three hours long um about a guy like chasing glory. Chasing like this the so-called sweet life.
00:38:14
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And he's he's just miserable the whole time.
00:38:18
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Because he's chasing either he's chasing something that he thinks he wants. Yeah. It's fantastic. And for Bob to be showing her that movie, I was like, that's him.
00:38:29
Speaker
Like Sophia, you, you dog. Cause I, I've only, the between rewatches of this movie, I had finally seen La Dolce Vita and I was, so watching it again, I'm like the Leo DiCaprio, like up, up, up, up yeah you know, like ah I caught that now. I caught that now.
00:38:48
Speaker
But, um, yeah, it was very fitting movie. Um, yeah, Especially considering in that movie as well, that Marcello Mastriani's character like cycles through women.
00:39:01
Speaker
There's three or four very famous actresses in that movie, and he's just going through them as a cycle. I didn't mean like that. I didn't mean it like that. But if you watch the movie, you'll see.
00:39:14
Speaker
They show up like very cyclically throughout the movie. Okay. And he's kind of just using them. Why is my ground vibrating?
00:39:23
Speaker
Hopefully it's not an earthquake.
00:39:26
Speaker
All right. um All right, listeners. This could be the end. Anyway, pass it back to you guys.
00:39:38
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I want to shout out my favorite scene. Yeah, please. From this. ah The scene where they're laying in bed together. I think i like that's that's the relationship.
00:39:48
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um After the karaoke night. After the karaoke night. No, not after the karaoke night. after I think it's when they're, uh, I think it's the same scene where they are watching TV and they fall asleep in bed together.
00:40:01
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They're having the conversation. She's asking like, like, does it get easy? Like, does it get easier? Like, does it get better? Yeah. He goes, no, yeah actually. Yeah. And just that whole conversation. I really love that scene.
00:40:12
Speaker
i was watching an interview with Sofia Coppola and Bill Murray and Bill Murray shouted out that specific scene. And he said that that is also one of his favorite and the most pivotal in the movie. And he said, he thinks that that is the point in the movie where the audience decides if they're in or not, like if they like the movie or not.
00:40:29
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And I remember watching it and I was just like, Because it is a very slow movie. and i'm And I'm vibing with it. Great soundtrack and everything. And I'm just waiting for like that gut punch.
00:40:41
Speaker
And that bed scene was the gut punch for me. And from that moment on, I was just like, oh, shit. I got it. I get it. Like I'm in. You stood up. I yeah i was the the sitting up meme.
00:40:54
Speaker
so So I just felt very heard when Bill Murray said that because I was like, that's exactly where it got me. And he was on the money with that. Yeah. Just the simple little hand on the foot.
00:41:07
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Yeah. Was that was a good touch. It's a very, it's, this is such an intimate movie. It's so sweet. Except for what's his face. that photographer sucks oh my god yeah it's like about giovanni ribuzzi's character who what's his name john he's terrible and i was husband like i know that this movie was influenced by ah her breakup with spike jones and it was definitely slanted but that guy was the worst so she's filming this so
00:41:42
Speaker
Sofia Coppola and Spike Jonze divorced in 2003. This movie was released in 2003. I'm assuming she's filming this in the midst of... They're fighting. ah They're fighting and i get and getting the divorce. so So this is her breakup movie. And then Spike Jonze's breakup movie is her?
00:42:01
Speaker
From what I've seen. That's tough. That's a crazy breakup movie. I don't know.
Closing Banter and Film Awards
00:42:08
Speaker
hers bruce i want to read I want to rewatch her. But yeah. ah John.
00:42:12
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Bad photographer. Bad husband. his ah His introduction with with Anna Faris. So funny. was really but i didn' I haven't seen her in a movie. like Since Scary Movie.
00:42:24
Speaker
I haven't seen her in anything besides Scary Movie. She was like a weird jump scare.
00:42:31
Speaker
Wow, she's in Brokeback Mountain. That's neat. Was she really? I've never seen Brokeback Mountain. Me neither. We need to add that to our Lost in the Watch list. Okay. That was written by Larry McMurtry, one of my favorite authors.
00:42:43
Speaker
Have you seen it? No. Oh, wow. I've never seen it. All right, we just added it to the docket. Just added.
00:42:50
Speaker
You guys are hearing this for the first time. Once again, no other podcast other than lost in Lost in the Frame. Lost in the Frame. ah We're renaming the podcast that just lost the translation.
00:43:02
Speaker
Gives you the show notes like this. With no Patreon. You get this for free. the preach Now if you give us money, then maybe we'll give you something more. but Yeah, we still need all 3 million of you to give us one single dollar.
00:43:18
Speaker
If all 3 million of you give us one, yeah, we'll be good. We'll split it up evenly. I promise. I'm only asking for a simple $1 billion. dollars I don't want a lot in life. Just $1 billion. dollars If a billion you give us $1, that's all we're asking for Tax-free. Tax-free.
00:43:40
Speaker
Because we're a charity. We're we're a 501 3C or something. what is that That's tax code for a charity? Sure. i don't know why you don't tax. That's a big tax code guy. Yeah.
00:43:54
Speaker
I'm trying try to figure out how to save money. Sue me. Don't sue me. um I wanted to shout out one of my friends, Danny. I have him on Letterboxd, and I was just going through the people who I follow their ratings for the movie.
00:44:10
Speaker
um I don't know if he listens to this podcast, but if he do, hi, Danny. He first watched this movie in August of 2022. twenty twenty two And his review was this. Why was this the best thing I've seen in ages? I want to die. They played my favorite MBV song, kill me. And just like honey, what the fuck? Bill Murray, Japan is amazing.
00:44:28
Speaker
And since then he has seen it nine times each time with a five star and a heart. And like his last few reviews are just, yes, yes, yes. Danny, Danny, the dog. Yeah.
00:44:42
Speaker
So I thought you'd you'd appreciate that, Alex. um ah So funny enough... ah whichever one of you brought up ah them being jet lagged while making the movie, according to ah the sacred texts, oh wow ah they were jet lagged when they made this movie. Alex just held up a Sofia Coppola archive book and it looks like it's been bookmarked and written and used.
00:45:07
Speaker
mark do I needed the lost in translation section. abs me to No, I wish. It's literally just like, all like pictures and stuff from the production set. That's so cool. She's got a movie or and it's not a movie. I think it's like a short documentary out about Marc Jacobs.
00:45:24
Speaker
it up Yeah, this is just all her features, but not the Marc Jacobs documentary. But this was, yeah, i had to buy this. The Instagram ad got me. I think I asked for it for Christmas so that no one could say no and talk me out of it. Santa brought it to me.
00:45:41
Speaker
um I wanted to talk about this movie's awards and nominations for a quick second. Coppola was nominated for three Academy Awards for this movie in the categories of Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Original Screenplay.
00:45:56
Speaker
she did win best original screenplay the other two nominations were lost to peter jackson's the lord of the rings return of the king yeah um her nomination for best director made her the first american woman to be nominated in that category and the third woman overall after lena wartmuller and jane campion it's really cool who'd she lose to hmm Who'd she lose to?
00:46:21
Speaker
To Peter Jackson. Oh, okay. Yeah, for Lord the Rings. Such an unfair year. Yeah. There are so many years where, like, she could have swept it. It's just Lord of the Rings year.
00:46:33
Speaker
i mean, at that point, can you be mad? I'd be fuming. Like we had to pick this. Yeah. Although I guess another fun story from the production of this, she spent the budget of a quarter of the budget of this movie without knowing if Bill Murray was actually going to show up because he didn't sign a contract. No way. Yeah.
00:46:54
Speaker
He, she, she tried for like months and months and months to get him to agree and she couldn't even track him down. Finally, Like someone did and they got the connection. He's like, okay, I'll do it.
00:47:07
Speaker
Didn't sign the contract. She just went to Tokyo and started making the movie and was like, I hope he shows up. And he did. Oh, that's terrifying. I guess she talked to like Wes Anderson or something. And he was like, oh yeah, he does that. he'll show up.
00:47:24
Speaker
That's interesting. Bill Murray is a very, very like hard to track down guy. Apparently. He just is, he marches to the beat of his own drum.
00:47:34
Speaker
For better or for worse.
00:47:38
Speaker
Interesting. um Another scene I wanted to shout out. Charlotte on the phone with her friend. Oh, yeah. Dude, Scarlett Johansson is insane in this movie. She was 17 when they made this movie. She's so good in this.
00:47:55
Speaker
She needs to do better roles. Yeah. Marriage showed that she still had it. That's true. God, she's been in two movies about director's divorces.
00:48:09
Speaker
She's just the the the child with the two screaming shadows in the middle. but Because Marriage Story was literally just Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach's divorce.
00:48:20
Speaker
aren't they Are they not still together? No, they do I think they're they're like amicable now. Okay. Okay. or like they're still like friends, but they got to, yeah, they were divorced. that That's what that movie is about.
00:48:32
Speaker
No, she's in three because she's the voice in her. That one's unconfirmed. That one's unconfirmed. Two and a half. She is the voice in her. No, I'm so i'm saying like like, is that movie about that?
00:48:44
Speaker
Oh, okay. I think, I feel like a lot of people think it is. It's it's marginal. It's marginal. Yeah. If it is though, she's straight up It took him a long time to clap back if it is.
00:48:57
Speaker
I mean, he took his time. She was doing it while it was happening, and he's like, I need to sit on this for a little bit. I need to wait for Joaquin Phoenix. Some would say that that means he's still thinking about him.
00:49:11
Speaker
Yearning, actually. Where's all the yearners at? Alex, please don't what that what doesn't what doesn't work for you? and Is there anything that does not work for you in this movie?
00:49:25
Speaker
I mean, if we're on like the sixth rewatch, it's hard to say. I've kind of made my peace with everything. That's true. I was just curious. I figured that answer was going to yield no results. Even like the... like like I mean, I... agree i There are harder things to chew on, and it's like you said, Todd. It's just the age gap thing, and it's the you know the the problematic treatment of you know Bill Murray's problematic treatment of of Japanese. It's hard to watch, like it's but that's just his character, and you know we we need to be reminded that... you know
00:50:01
Speaker
no character is ever going to be perfect. And I think it's better for the story that he's imperfect and kind of a dick. I just I wanted to root for him so badly after the the phone call with his wife when he's sitting in the hot tub.
00:50:17
Speaker
Oh, my God. Brutal. Yeah, I think I was cringing so hard. Yeah, I think that perfectly encapsulates his character. He's this bitter, hard shell person on the outside, and he just wants someone to hold him so badly.
00:50:34
Speaker
Yeah. He's, he's pleading with his wife and he's like, he's like, I want to be healthier. Like I'm eating all this Japanese food and like, I feel good. And his wife just goes, okay, well, why don't you just stay there and you can eat all the Japanese food you want.
00:50:46
Speaker
And he's quiet. And then just goes like, you can hear him like choke up in his voice. And he just says, how are the kids doing? I was like, Oh my God. I know. You know, apparently a lot of this movie was like improvised.
00:51:00
Speaker
So she, a lot of like the little stuff. Hmm. The script was apparently only like 75 pages. Oh, wow. Which is tiny. Unspoken. Unspoken.
00:51:12
Speaker
There's our proof. Yeah. But is that for me, it's that that scene perfectly encapsulated. him It's like you do want to root for him, right? and But I think at the end of the day, you want to root for him. You want him to to be happy. And I think to be happy, he needs to let the bitterness go. Right.
00:51:29
Speaker
A lot of it is self-induced. But a lot of it's not. like there There are some destructive behaviors that forces him to be that he forces upon himself to continue that.
00:51:44
Speaker
i mean He was going to stay in that hotel. he' was trying to leave. He didn't want to go outside of it. And it took Charlotte to to kind of bring him out. And when he does go out, he has a great time. You kind of see him loosen up a bit become like a more...
00:51:58
Speaker
grounded human being to everything around him but he's not a perfect person and he does some pretty scummy things but that's kind of just life right such is he is pretty lost people be tripping people do be lost good thing he didn't trip in that uh the crosswalk in between the dozens of cars oh yeah could imagine that's just how the movie ends It's funny because it was the first scene I saw, but one of my favorite scenes. I love the karaoke scene. I love like that whole sequence. scene
00:52:37
Speaker
It's just, it's a, it's a scene of eyes and looks and like this. Vibes. Just vibes. It's so good.
00:52:48
Speaker
and And the songs she picked were so good. Yeah. Guys, so the soundtrack on this is phenomenal. Bananas. My Bloody Valentine, the Jesus and Mary chain.
00:53:01
Speaker
I've got that album on vinyl. And I'm like, I heard it come up and I was like, let's fucking go, dude. That's how I just, this movie was how I discovered them. Nice. It was one of those instant, like when you're watching it and it ends, you just Google what song was at the end of Lost in I bought it on iTunes.
00:53:22
Speaker
And then they got Phoenix on the soundtrack to our future husband. Yeah. Do you think they knew each other at this point? I asked my dad that question like rhetorically this week.
00:53:37
Speaker
I don't know. i don't know when they met. Because they got divorced in 2003, but then she married Thomas Mars of Phoenix the band in 2011. So eight years later. so Not Phoenix the Arizona. Yeah, not Phoenix the Arizona or Phoenix the bird.
00:53:53
Speaker
Easily confused. They met on set of The Virgin Suicides. Thomas Mars? Yes. Okay. Okay. There were seeds then. There were There were seeds.
00:54:07
Speaker
Love a good seed. Love a good seed. Big seed guy. um The night that she won her Oscar for her Best Original Screenplay, her cousin, Nicolas Cage, also won an award that night for Best Actor that year.
00:54:24
Speaker
Was it Las Vegas? I think so. And if you're just finding out that they're cousins, we've got our episode on Lost the Nepo Babies, and you'll find that out. I was there. I still forgot.
00:54:37
Speaker
still't forgot It's news to me again. That's hilarious. Tachi had the joy of finding out twice. i love Nick.
00:54:48
Speaker
I miss him. what doesn' What doesn't work for you guys? I think Tachi spoke his piece already. unless it's more What about you, Malik? I feel like we've just been gassing it up the whole time. I need something negative from you. i would love to say something negative.
00:55:02
Speaker
like I really would. I love talking bad about movies because I hate them. I'm just kidding. Ew, movies. I don't know, man. Like like I was saying, the the bed scene happens and like at the like leading up to it, I'm having a good time.
00:55:19
Speaker
It's vibes. I'm loving the soundtrack. like This is solid. like This is cool. But it turned it for me because I think I really, really, really like this movie.
00:55:34
Speaker
If something happens at the bed scene, it's ruined. Nothing happening at the bed scene is what makes it for me. I totally agree. I don't think anyone else could have made this movie.
00:55:46
Speaker
No. It's true. i It is truly one of a kind. This feels like not just the way it looks, not just the story, but just...
00:55:59
Speaker
The entire real real world framework of how it's made, like the guerrilla filmmaking, like it's just it just all works so perfectly. It's this imperfect song and dance that yields a nearly perfect result, dare I say.
00:56:17
Speaker
i just loved everything that was happening. it's a ah It's like a shoegaze dream pop before sunrise. Yes. Equally as devastating. Yes. Entirely different movie. That is an excellent way to put it.
00:56:32
Speaker
And we know I love Before Sunrise. Dude, it's, you know I also watched Before Sunrise for the first time during COVID and... i was I was in a bad place. if i Okay, like, I think if if I watched this movie during COVID, our stories would have been very similar.
00:56:53
Speaker
Like, I was also coming off of a relationship. I was in an apartment for the first time, like, by myself, locked down. And that's when I found the Before trilogy. If this movie was thrown in there... Dude, that would have killed don't
00:57:07
Speaker
Oh my God, being alone? At least I was with my parents. So like, i I know I would have loved it then for different reasons, but now it just taps into something completely different and new. But I think that this movie just feels like it can transcend time.
00:57:26
Speaker
Like it feels like someone could watch this at 15 and love it for completely different reasons and rewatch it at 30, 40 years old and feel the exact same way. Well, my buddy watched it at like 11. He loved it for pink hair, Scarlett Johansson.
00:57:41
Speaker
And then now at 40.
00:57:46
Speaker
How old do you think we are? 28. He does still love this movie, but for entirely different reasons.
00:57:56
Speaker
So to say something negative, I can't. I'm sorry. Wow. That bodes well for your rating. It does. It does bode well. I think... Does this mean I'm not getting the Blu-ray?
00:58:07
Speaker
You're not getting the Blu-ray. That shit's mine. um I was telling Cam about it because I i just watched it by myself. You did? Dude, I thought I was excited to hear her reaction because thought she was going to love this movie.
00:58:23
Speaker
she's she's like oh She's like, let me know how it is and then I'll watch it off of your reaction. I was like, all right, that's fair. I'm pressed. because I'm actually pressed. Because when we filmed Callback, I told her she needs to watch it.
00:58:35
Speaker
Really? Because she told me she loved Just Like Honey by the Jesus and Mary chain. I said, you need to watch the last translation. I will tell her that. Like, right now. I will tell her that after this episode, and I'm glad to rewatch it. You know what? And tell her I'm pressed. Tell her I'm pressed. She is in trouble.
00:58:49
Speaker
Tell her at the at the going away party. i'm I'm just throwing hands as soon as I see her. It's just on site. Alex is fighting my girlfriend. Just... Throwing hands. um Oh my God, what was I going to say? Maybe forget what was going to say.
00:59:03
Speaker
Oh, I was just saying, I was telling her, I was like, I think this movie is going to grow on me to like actually fully love it. To like become a favorite.
00:59:15
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How do you not already fully love it the way you're talking about it? Because I do fully love it, but I think it's going to grow more Like you said, like you watched it and then you were thinking about it the next day and then a week passed, you were fully surrendered.
00:59:32
Speaker
When did you watch it? Because Tom, you watched it today. When you watch it? Last night, yeah. And all day I've been thinking about it. All day I've been listening to the soundtrack and I just have these images burned in my mind.
00:59:46
Speaker
It's beautiful. actually had to Google if the Mount Fuji scene was real. And it's it is real. It's real. It's unfair. It's just unfair.
00:59:58
Speaker
was that him, the golfing scene? Yeah, I actually thought it was fake. It looks insane. Yeah. it's stuff I mean, there's just so many shots this movie where it's like, I don't even like the Mount Fuji one is very striking, but there are so many where it's like, oh, that shot is so good.
01:00:16
Speaker
Like this entire movie could be like my wallpaper on my computer. Which is another movie like that is Paris, Texas. Where it's like every shot is just like, you're like, oh my, come on, man. I've got it on Criterion and I have yet to watch it.
01:00:32
Speaker
I still haven't watched the Thin Red Line. Oh, wow. Look at us. Fake as hell. I know. We're so watched. You said that there are murmurs that people may have cracked the code on what Bob whispers to Charlotte. yeah Yes. So apparently...
01:00:52
Speaker
So here's an article from cinema blend and I've listened to this before. it kind of sounds like it. Um, but they, people think that that they enhance like the audio and did that whole like CSI, like enhance decode, decipher.
01:01:16
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Jarvis. What did Bob say? but Do we want to know or do we want to leave the magic?
01:01:25
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I know. And I actually think if this is the line, I think it's just as magical. For that to a bit like to know like that was whispered. I can make my own reality. You can tell me.
01:01:35
Speaker
Okay. i'll I'm in. Bro's just delusional. oh forgot I'll forget this tomorrow. Honestly, I might. I forget everything.
01:01:47
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and And again, this isn't like confirmed. This is what someone thinks they hear. Right. Out of like, it's very, it's like, it's, it's like watching like a ghost show and you're like, it's like, my corner and said it's like, he said, Satan lives. and You're like, I think he's saying like, I want eggs, but okay. Could be either.
01:02:12
Speaker
What they think he said is, I have to be leaving, but I won't let that come between us. Okay? And she says, okay.
01:02:23
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Okay. response to that, because Scarlett Johansson has seen it, she said, oh my God, that sounds pretty profound. It's probably way more profound than what was actually said.
01:02:40
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That's what I'm thinking.
01:02:42
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or she's just trying to hide the truth. Knowing Bill Murray, he probably said, like, you're never going to, no one's ever going to believe this. This movie's going nowhere.
01:02:54
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You suck. That's why she was actually crying at the end. He was just insulting her. Welcome to whole land. I'm dooming you to 10 Avengers movies.
01:03:09
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She's like, what's the Avengers? Your future's looking black. The CGI in your solo feature is going to be the worst you've ever seen.
01:03:20
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Oh, that movie was pretty bad. Ugh. You will be in a remake of The Exorcist. Breaking news. that could go That could go hard. Where is that going to go?
01:03:34
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It's Mike Flanagan, so here's what's going to happen. I'm going to tell exactly how it's going to go. First nine tenths that movie are going to be the best thing you've ever seen, and the ending is going to be so bad, you give it three stars. Damn.
01:03:46
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That's exactly what's going to happen. Why do you say that? What do you have against Flanagan? Because and basically every Mike Flanagan show I've seen has gone that way. or I loved it, loved it, loved it.
01:03:57
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And then the end and I was like, um but that's how you ended it, dude. I felt that with... ah blah bla blah blah What's the house one? Follow the House Usher or Hill House? I didn't like the Usher one.
01:04:15
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like i liked that one until the last episode. um and I loved Hill House until the last episode. I loved Hill House. The other one, the Bly Manor. I have not seen hill ah Midnight Mass yet.
01:04:26
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Okay, Midnight Mass rips. I felt that way about Bly Manor, though. Also, Life of Chuck, his movie last year, sucked. I kind of liked Life of Chuck. What the?
01:04:38
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I'm sorry. You know... Bro's a sap. I watched it on a plane. I am a sap. I am a sap. You are. It was so... It just felt earnest.
01:04:51
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It was too... And you know that's... i was watching The Plate and I felt good after watching it. I was like, you know, know that movie was sweet. I'm glad you felt that. It wasn't great.
01:05:03
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I wasn't blown away. But it was like an earnest, heartfelt movie that really was... It just was like that one kid who's just a little strange, but you sit with him at lunch because he's nice. He's a good kid.
01:05:21
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Exactly. I wanted it to be that. The first 20 minutes of that movie, so good. And then the rest, I'm just not there. loved the bit with the kid dancing.
01:05:37
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Learning how to dance. thought that was cute. It just did not work for me. I was watching and I was like, bro, get him off the screen. I'll still hit this sometimes when I'm out. youre But then I hit one of these. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. How's that?
01:05:52
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How's that? How's that? All right. Anything else about Lost in Translation? I could go on for days about this movie. No. think we got it.
01:06:06
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All right, let's rate it. Oh, fuck. We forgot to do our drama readings. All right, let's rate this one. Wait, our what? I put in the notes that we need to give the listeners our ratings of the drama at the beginning of the episode since we didn't do it at the end of our last episode.
01:06:21
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Oh. All right, watch this. Time traveling. blueluo blue Before we get into the Lost in Translation episode, let's talk about the drama. What were your ratings after thinking about it?
01:06:34
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I gave it a four. I gave it a four. I gave it a four. Wow. Whoa, wow. but a little bit available Then we're back.
01:06:46
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All right. Final ratings for Lost in Translation. Should I go first? We know what Alex's is. Five stars and a heart.
01:06:56
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Okay, i have a follow-up question after this. Remind me. Okay. okay Giving this a four and a half.
01:07:06
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Bro's pissed.
01:07:11
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What's it? What is it missing?
01:07:15
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I feel like as we've done this podcast, maybe even before, maybe even back to real guys days. I think I've just been stingy with the fives.
01:07:26
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As you should be. You know? Like very stingy. I think I need to open my open up my heart a little bit more. I don't know why. i just It just gets to me, and it shouldn't. I don't know.
01:07:37
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It's good to be selective of your favorites, though. Yeah, but I feel like I'm too much in one direction. Like, I feel like I used to be like, oh, I love this. This is a five. I was just like giving out fives like they were fucking the Jolly Ranchers.
01:07:49
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And now I'm just holding them back and waterme starving the children. So I need to find somewhere in the middle. That's where I'm at right now. So four and a half.
01:08:00
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Okay. Well said.
01:08:04
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Your turn. Oh, yeah. ah I really like this movie, but the beta soy boy microaggressions I was feeling, it's just... It got to you. It got to me a little bit. I'm not going to lie.
01:08:23
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It's my people. It is. Yeah. um No, I did really like it. i
01:08:32
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I can't give it a four and a half.
01:08:35
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but I feel really great about a four. It's a very respectable rating, Tachi. I really appreciate your rating. Thank you, Alex. And I value you as a friend and I'm really glad you're not moving away.
01:08:48
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Oh, that's kind words. How do I still get flack for a higher rating? It's nuts. You know what you did. what did i do you You're not giving me the Blu-ray you don't give it a fuck?
01:09:06
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What was your question you wanted to ask me? What does the heart mean to you guys? i never heart anything on Letterboxd. like you know you You gave this five stars and a heart. Is that just because you love it so much that you got to give it that little... That is a really, really funny question because... um I have only hearted like five things and I started to do it and I don't remember what the tag was.
01:09:31
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Um, but, i like What my reasoning was, I just heard a bunch of stuff and then never added thing pass and anything past 2024. There's like 11 movies in here that are hard.
01:09:45
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I feel the heart... I used it when I first started and then did not use it ever again. Same. I feel like the heart could mean... Because I could imagine giving something like three stars and a heart where it's like maybe not the greatest movie, but like i'm I found it endearing.
01:10:07
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I don't know. i one of Admittedly, one of the movies that has a heart for me is Callback. That doesn't count.
01:10:19
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What about you, Tachi? What were you gonna say? Oh, I was just gonna say, I like every five star. That's it. Okay, that's where you, okay, a heart goes to every five star. All right. Well, I will do, I'll do some reflecting on my on my ratings.
01:10:33
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And on yourself. And on myself. And your crimes. Crimes? On a race thing? Yeah.
01:10:45
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Did ever see those race war flyers we got one day in the house? That was a deal. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait what what
01:10:55
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i think it it had something to do with the high school across the she was a literal race but they wanted to describe it as a war so the top of the posters as race war With like a bunch of kids on the flyer. Yeah, it was just like two big teams and like, because like the Domino's we worked at that was across the street from a high school. Yeah. and I think, yeah, they were just running, but it was like two opposing sides, like good versus evil.
01:11:17
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Yeah, they called it a race war. And it circulated the area. It did. Remember Fast and Furious when the car thing was the race wars? Yeah.
01:11:31
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Dom, this is about race wars. I remember when it used to be about cars. ah frozen space now. I was just buying a Hector's shop. He's got three Honda Civics with spoon engines, and he just came into Harry's and ordered three T66 turbos with NOS and a MoTeX system exhaust.
01:11:57
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Is this a real person?
01:12:00
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Are these real things too? These could all be fake people. Yeah, they they are. okay those Those are real things. No, because the Fast and the Furious was like... like Star Wars was like my jam.
01:12:13
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The Fast and the Furious was like my B-tier jam. I get it. I legit love the first one and Tokyo Drift. One through five, like I think, are peak.
01:12:25
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i agree. Everything after that, it's like... o the one through five are fire but the first one has so many quotable lines where we should probably do a fast and furious episode one day i think that'd be fun yeah i mean you got you got ah because we got a ah new one coming out right we can do it leading up to that are we at 11 now like watch all of them god i think i don't want to watch all of them
01:12:54
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I haven't even seen like 10 or maybe. Yeah, haven't seen 10. I don't think I've seen 10. I think that's the only one I haven't seen. haven't seen any past seven. I also have not seen Hobbs and Shaw. haven't seen that actually.
01:13:05
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Really? That's the biggest piece of talk shit. I'm so sure it is.
01:13:14
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That's not surprising. um What's the next Sofia Coppola movie that I should watch? Um... Like what's your second favorite after loss in translation?
01:13:26
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I really liked somewhere, but I haven't seen Marie Antoinette yet. I know Sue me, but I haven't seen Marie Antoinette. That's the next one I'm going to watch, but I really liked somewhere a lot. Oh,
01:13:38
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Very, I think, spiritually similar to Lost in Translation, but it's about a father and his daughter. It's got like an 11-year-old Elle Fanning. All right. Cool. She doesn't have an extensive homography, so she has some work to do.
01:13:54
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Any closing thoughts from you guys? No. Watch Lost in Translation. And when you think when you watch it, think of me. Bye. You're not going to say bye?
01:14:05
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Bye.