Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
Lost In The Ape Mode - Primate
31 Plays2 months ago
Hope you’re ready to go Ape Mode, this week we’re talking our first theatrical release in 2026, Primate. LOCK IN.
Follow us on our socials:
Recommended
Transcript
00:00:19
Speaker
Caesar. Weak. Ben. Weaker.
Introduction and Monkey Humor
00:00:27
Speaker
Welcome to Lost in the Frame. My name is Daxi. Abe. Malik.
00:00:40
Speaker
You who are. Alex. I started talking like Yoda. Welcome to Lost the Frame podcast.
00:00:52
Speaker
We are... We're not monkeys. We are not monkeys. Allegedly. I think that's an important call have to make. We're apes. We're not monkeys. There's a difference between... Very important distinction here.
00:01:05
Speaker
I actually don't know the difference between like apes and chimpanzees. and No, chimps are apes. Apes is like the... Oh, apes is is the group? Yeah, it's like gorillas. but Yeah, break this down for me Orangutans, chimps, bonobos or primates. Or no, they're apes.
00:01:24
Speaker
Monkeys have like tails, like lemurs, capuchins.
00:01:30
Speaker
And they are all... I think they're all primates. Okay, I was about to ask, what is a primate? So a primate is the umbrella for monkeys, and ape is the umbrella for everything else.
00:01:44
Speaker
Yes. Okay. Primate. Primate. Small. Ape. Big.
00:01:53
Speaker
Get ready to hear our monkey accents for this entire episode, because we're going bananas, and we're talking primate.
Golden Globes and Award Shows
00:02:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're a super family of old world simians native to sub-Saharan Africa and Southeast Asia. but Primate is like all monkeys and apes.
00:02:14
Speaker
Interesting. Yeah, good to know. Well, fellas. you guys doing? I'm doing good. Yeah. You ready to talk?
00:02:25
Speaker
i mean I'm bananas we're going bananas for this episode. Yeah. I'm ready to go ape mode. I realize 24 hours from now we're going to be boning in the temple. So it's a good it's a good time.
00:02:37
Speaker
This might be news for some significant others listening to this podcast. but We are boning tomorrow night. In the temple. In the temple. The bone temple.
00:02:47
Speaker
In less than 28 hours. Whoa. Like that. Dash, we might be wrapping up with the movie soon in 24 hours. Yeah. um Let's talk about our Dumpyware redraft results.
00:03:01
Speaker
and I think we shouldn't. I think we should just move on. We should, because I feel like it was kind of close-ish. What was the final tally? Tachi, congratulations on your second win thank you for the draft.
00:03:13
Speaker
Alex, this is still a milestone for you. You got second. Whoa! Let's go. i think you've gotten third the for the other drafts, but you got second.
00:03:23
Speaker
Wow. So, I mean, that's basically first, like, when you adjust for it, right? When you adjust for inflation, basically. The electoral college, I won. um Yeah, thanks for everyone that voted.
00:03:37
Speaker
Tachi, I guess, has the best dumpuary team and the first winner of 2026. We'll see what else we do for throughout the rest of the year and see if ah if you can keep that streak up. Maybe Alex, one of these times, we'll see. We'll get that victory.
00:03:52
Speaker
We are never doing another draft again. I'm rooting for you, buddy. No, you're i'm rooting for you. I am not. You know what? I don't care who wins as long as we're all together. Apes together. Apes together strong. Yes.
00:04:08
Speaker
um We don't have a whole bunch of movie news today. There's only one I see on our little document here. Is there anything else that we had? hers I got nothing. Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of a dry Bone Temple's been getting good reviews.
00:04:21
Speaker
Bone Temple has. And I'm scared. And I think Marty Supreme was slated to pass one battle in box office. just by What? Despite being on a thousand less screens this week.
00:04:33
Speaker
Really? Yeah. Interesting. We say there's no movie news and the Golden Globes just happened.
00:04:41
Speaker
We're horrible. Do you guys care about the Globes? Did you watch them? No. I watched them. I like that Tibby won again. I liked the Teyana Taylor win, but I'm really sick of the discourse between one battle and Sinners.
00:04:59
Speaker
Can Can you guys give me a breakdown on the different award shows and why different ones exist? Are they just different organizations with different voters or what?
00:05:10
Speaker
Different organizations with different voters. you hate That's it? I think so. Okay. I don't know if some of those voters bleed over into other organizations. I'm sure they do. Like I'm sure some SAG voters are also Academy members and vice versa.
00:05:27
Speaker
So I don't know like the full distinction. But they do kind of like a lot of these award shows do kind of feel like there at least is some type of hierarchy. Obviously, the Academy is being at the top.
00:05:39
Speaker
Right. The Golden Globes, the vibe that i've I've never really been into the Golden Globes. I've watched them the last couple of years just because I feel like we've tried to have our pulse on like the movie world a bit more since like 2020.
00:05:51
Speaker
But from what I can gather, it seems like most people don't really care about the Golden Globes. They used to kind of be more of a joke, apparently. Not a joke, like, not that it wasn't serious, but people just didn't, like, really take it serious. I mean, which I can see. Some of their categories are kind of weird.
00:06:07
Speaker
Like, they have, instead of, like, a best picture, it's kind of split into two for, like, best musical or comedy. But all of the things that fall under musical or comedy are like, huh?
00:06:23
Speaker
Not musical or comedy? Yeah, exactly. Okay. And then like best drama. I wish I had, I should have have it pulled up. This is great podcasting. um i'll show I'll show you the list later, but for you, out like best musical or comedy, like the bear.
00:06:35
Speaker
there's also There's also a TV with the Golden Globes as well. So it's a mixture of ah of of
Year-End Movie Reflections
00:06:40
Speaker
movies and television. Okay. That's neat. but I think people mainly watch them as like a ah I'm sure people have their other reasons, but like I was watching it as like a, the race to the Oscars.
00:06:52
Speaker
can kind of start getting temperature checks of who's doing what, who's getting what centers walked away with basically nothing at the golden globes, which was surprising. They walked away with a cinematic and box office achievement, which kind of feels like a a participation trophy.
00:07:11
Speaker
Twitter was not happy. With sinners? Yeah, with sinners getting that. Bro, people again are treating sinners like it's the second coming of Christ. I'm seeing the worst one battle takes I've ever seen in my life because of pro-sinnors. The pro-sinnors lobby is it's it's doing damage to my cerebral cortex.
00:07:38
Speaker
If you're in line to vote for Sinners, the polls are closed. And Sinners. I like Sinners. Same. We all liked it. We liked it. we Like, I have nothing against the movie. It's just like... we just We all liked it just fine.
00:07:51
Speaker
Just chill. Is it in either of your top fives from last year? No. Hmm. Where are you guys at so far for your for wrapping up your end of the year list? We've got maybe two weeks left. I think two weeks from today we'll record our awards ceremony.
00:08:07
Speaker
I'm missing a couple. I'm also missing a couple dozen. That's nuts. That's nuts. Are the couple dozen, are they integral, do you think? There are some important ones that are missing, but I'm knocking one off Friday, which I'm excited about. I'm actually not excited. I'm like really scared to go watch it. but Which one is that?
00:08:26
Speaker
ah Voice of Hein Rajab. Oh, okay. Are you scared of that one? I think I'm going cry. Oh, so scared that you know it's going to be good? I'm like, no, I'm just...
00:08:39
Speaker
ah If you look up the subject matter, it's like... I have no idea what it's about. there's Just don't look it up. Yeah, there's in my... Because you would be really apprehensive. I'm kind of apprehensive to go watch it.
00:08:49
Speaker
There's a lot i go see it that are in my list. i As much as I love trailers, I've talked about this before, sometimes I do like going into movies like completely blind. like It was just an accident. I had no idea what that was about. but I didn't really either. Yeah.
00:09:03
Speaker
So the voice of Henry's job, I have no idea what that's about. I'm fine going into that one blind. It's... Don't tell me. I almost am. I don't know if it would be worse going in knowing what it's about or going in blind, to be completely honest.
00:09:16
Speaker
I'll go in blind. Speaking of going in things blind, went into Primate blind. I had only seen the movie poster. i didn't know who was in it. I don't know what was it what it was about.
00:09:26
Speaker
Whose suggestion was this? I don't know. I think it was the universe. Because I didn't suggest it because I'm with you, Tachi. I didn't see
Introduction to 'Primate'
00:09:35
Speaker
anything about this. Yeah. I i feel like one day were just like, let's go watch Pirate. I had heard in my Texas Longhorns Discord about it, and that was about it.
00:09:43
Speaker
Okay, so it was probably you that suggested it. Yeah. Which I'm glad you did. I'm not mad about it. I'm not mad about it. Oh yeah, did we even announce that we're covering Primate today or did just we make Ape? I hope the intro made it clear, but I don't know.
00:10:02
Speaker
I said it in the beginning and then you also said it at the end of the last episode. We said that we were going Ape mode and we signed off with you making monkey noises. Oh yeah, the screeching. Yeah, I don't know if we said specifically Primate, but like not many monkey movies coming out in the first two weeks of January.
00:10:17
Speaker
That's true. It's kind of slim pickings. There's a full moon out tonight. Oh. I, uh. Woof. Strong. I could be feeling something overcome. I'm the were-ape.
00:10:36
Speaker
I just think that, you know, when we reveal. Isn't a were-ape just a gorilla? i don't know. Isn't a were-ape just a gorilla with a suit on?
00:10:48
Speaker
Think about it. the
00:10:53
Speaker
Let's do our trivia. Our monkey trivia.
00:10:57
Speaker
Yeah, it want to talk i would I didn't want to have a genuine ape discussion before we got into these movies. This is our last episode. Going into this movie, going into this movie,
00:11:12
Speaker
um What was your experience with apes? What's my experience with apes? Yeah. as yeah Let's see. 2016 Harambe died. Yep.
00:11:24
Speaker
Charlize Theron. No, no, no. Yes, 2016. What about Charlize Theron? Mighty Joe Young. Are you kidding me? What is that? ah I think she's like a zoologist or something.
00:11:37
Speaker
o I don't know. It's like 20, 30 years old you guys rock with Jane Goodall? I think there's a giant gorilla. Jane Goodall? Yeah, did you rock with Jane Goodall? She was invited to the cookout, sure.
00:11:49
Speaker
I've heard of her. hu Yeah, she liked apes. She did like apes. um I was a big fan of Curious George. Oh, King Kong.
00:12:01
Speaker
King Kong. dudes ain't got he he ain't got shit on me for sure. you mean you guys You guys keep bringing up movies. like What about apes? Apes in general?
00:12:11
Speaker
Yeah, real apes. like What are your thoughts on apes? They're great. I think they're really cool. um Did we come from them? I don't know. Can I see it sometimes? Yeah. I wouldn't want to run into one in the alley like a silverback gorilla specifically.
00:12:26
Speaker
Gorillas are actually more docile than than people think. What about the silverback? Even him? They're pretty chill. like They can beat you to death with their bare hands, but they probably won't. like When you go on like those gorilla tours in like Rwanda or Eastern Congo...
00:12:44
Speaker
um You can get like right up to them. like The park rangers will take you right up to the gorillas. You'll sit with them. you'll you have to be really quiet, but you just kind of sit there and the gorillas come up and they do gorilla stuff. and yeah sometimes They you to death.
00:12:56
Speaker
Sometimes they'll beat their chest. They do actually beat their chest. That's like a thing. i knew that. They have air sacs, I think, that they inflate to make the noise louder.
00:13:08
Speaker
Really? Yeah, they can pump up their chest and then... you know Oh, wow. That's insane. I'm excited for more of these facts. you um i i When I was a little kid, when I lived in Germany,
00:13:23
Speaker
I have like a very vivid memory of going to the museum or or going to the zoo. I i remember being terrified of the apes.
00:13:35
Speaker
Terrified of them. Kind of scary. There was an orangutan reading a newspaper. I like vividly remember this. That's not okay. like Reading a newspaper. He was sitting there. and I was like horrified.
00:13:46
Speaker
because he was just he had like He probably had it upside down or something. but He was just sitting there like. Eating straw. And I was just terrified apes. I remember, um do you guys have a leapfrog when you were a kid? Yeah. Nope.
00:14:01
Speaker
So I had a leapfrog about like animals in the wild. And there was one page about gorillas. And I remember I couldn't flip to it. Because i was too scared of the gorillas.
00:14:11
Speaker
I would skip it. Because I was really scared of gorillas and apes. And that boy grew up to wanting to do a podcast episode in the Conjuring house. Sometime around Rise of the Planet of the Apes.
00:14:29
Speaker
Actually, no. So before that, when Planet Earth came out, we watched I watched Planet Earth with my family. There's the the jungle episode. There's the chimp section of it.
00:14:40
Speaker
The chimp section was really scary. Really scary. Why? Because the chimps attack another chimp troop. And my dad, ship troop who did 20 years in the army, the chimps were forming a column in the jungle, one by one, spaced out, good going into this other chimp's territory to attack the chimp troop.
00:15:05
Speaker
And my dad goes, this is what we did in the army.
00:15:13
Speaker
And so I'm like, oh my God. So I mean, growing up, I used to think like chimps were like the cool ones. Like gorillas were big and mean and scary and like orangutans were just like weird. I used to think like chimps like happy go lucky. There's a chimp on Drake and Josh. I thought like chimps were great, right? Yeah. No, planet Earth, they're horrible.
00:15:30
Speaker
And then right around that time, the the lady got ripped apart in Connecticut by the chimp. What? That was down the street from, comparatively from where I grew up. I mean, it was like an hour, two hours away. but Oh, my God. um So, yeah, then there was that. And then ah we went to the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago.
00:15:49
Speaker
And there's a lot of like, trauma around apes, I guess. Yeah. But we're at the Lincoln Park Zoo and the gorilla is like picking its nose and the orangutans, like I don't know, sticking his finger up his butt or something. But the chimps were patrolling their exhibit.
00:16:04
Speaker
My dad and I were losing our minds. they they The chimps were hardcore. But around that time, I flipped from being fearful of apes.
Ape Encounters and Trivia
00:16:13
Speaker
to loving apes.
00:16:15
Speaker
And now I can't stop thinking about apes. I think they're so cool. I went to the zoo in September in Houston and I'll tell you what, the gorillas were to sleep in. The orangutan actually left the shade to come sit in view for all of us because it realized people were looking at it.
00:16:34
Speaker
It was kind of showing off. It was really funny. The chimp did not like me standing there. I was there with my friend and I remember standing there. I just remember the the big male chimp would like look at like the the lady chimps and he'd like look her around then he look at me and he'd be like.
00:16:50
Speaker
That's scary. He was like look a we be look back at me. he didn't like me. He did not like me being there. which I do think chimps are are scarier than gorillas. We were having this discussion at work, apparently um and the argument was, which would you least want to encounter in the wild?
00:17:07
Speaker
A chimp, a tiger, or a polar bear? o The prevailing answer was actually chimps. Really? Yeah. I feel like mine would be... Keep in mind, polar bears hunt people.
00:17:21
Speaker
Yeah, polar bears are scary. Okay, yeah, polar bear. Never mind. But chimps? Chimps, there's something like sadistic about them. there's There's something in their eyes. like It's because they look like us.
00:17:34
Speaker
It's it's like a little too... like like You know like when you're looking at your cat? And the cat looks up at you. It's like, oh, the kitty cat. They got the kitty eyes. It was so cute. But it's like you look at them and you're there's a cat. OK, but I'm at the Houston Zoo and the adult chimps looking at me and I'm looking at the chimp. You know I see?
00:17:52
Speaker
i see spite. I see I see a emotion I see rage. I see disgust. I see hatred. OK, like that is an animal that does not like me.
00:18:06
Speaker
That's scary. And not because it's like an animal. It's like there's something behind that disgust. there like I feel like there's actually something behind it not liking me instead of it's like, oh, I'm an animal. So like, i like no, I think there's something there.
00:18:20
Speaker
mean, chimps can use sign language. like Let's be real. Monkeys do go hard. Monkeys go hard. it I do. i So I did prepare some trivia for this episode before we discuss.
00:18:36
Speaker
Primate. How did we not say episode at this point already? That's genius. Yeah. was saving it because it's so good for the episode. um For anyone listening who's still listening and hasn't completely logged off yet, um we we love you. We appreciate you. We all love monkey.
00:18:54
Speaker
So I'll run this one. You guys can win if you feel like it. I don't know. I'm not going to keep score or anything. Okay. But um going I'm hoping to blow your mind with some of these facts. Okay. Well, you blew your mind with one of them already.
00:19:07
Speaker
They blew my mind. Okay. I'm excited. Let's hear it. the And these are genuine these are generally chimp-centric because Primate is about a chimp named Ben who sucks.
00:19:21
Speaker
Debatable. Yeah. how much stronger is the average chimp compared to a human
00:19:32
Speaker
what it my understanding is that this isn't like comparable to their size this is raw strength or how is this measured like like 10 times stronger just generally yeah okay yeah i'm gonna say i'm stronger i would say eight times stronger.
00:19:53
Speaker
I'll say eight times.
00:19:57
Speaker
Eight times stronger than me? Probably not. I'll say fucking yolked. I'll say five. Five times stronger. So it's funny you say that because the original study conducted in the 1920s was that chimps were about five to eight times stronger. But current scientific consensus is actually they're only about 1.5 to two times stronger than the average human.
00:20:21
Speaker
oh However, uho you have to remember that chimps are a lot smaller than we are. So their actual like strength to size ratio is crazy. man But the 1920s study was skewed because the guy, John Bauman, who ran it, had it with chimps like pulling on something to measure like weight of force pulled.
00:20:48
Speaker
How much did one chimp pull to skew the study? 500 pounds.
00:21:02
Speaker
the closest because it apparently was 1260 pounds. God. That a single chimp pulled? A single chimp pulled.
00:21:14
Speaker
And how can he even be certain that that's like true full strength? I don't know. It was the nineteen twenty s but it's just like That's nuts, right? like That is nuts. That's terrifying.
00:21:28
Speaker
You could stick a chimp at defensive tackle or like edge or like middle linebacker and it would just wreck the NFL. One chimpanzee would be the MVP.
00:21:38
Speaker
My PR for pulling is only a thousand pounds. Damn. So mine is like somewhere like 400 pounds. But one time I went eight mode and I don't remember how much I pulled then.
00:21:53
Speaker
So like it could be a thousand. I don't know. We'll never know. What is the average that chimps live in captivity age wise?
00:22:05
Speaker
Oh, it's to be so sad. Say 42.
00:22:09
Speaker
I have no idea how long they live for. ah I'll say 35. thirty five Malik, you were closer. It's about 60 years old in captivity. However, they can live up to 80.
00:22:21
Speaker
Wow. I didn't know they had such lifespans. That's crazy. That is crazy. You can live an entire life with one. Yeah. True or false, do chimps practice cannibalism?
00:22:34
Speaker
True. True. It's gotta be true. It is true because in the Planet Earth special, the chimp troop to celebrate beating the other troop, they ate baby chimps.
00:22:47
Speaker
That... Wow.
00:22:51
Speaker
Wow.
00:22:53
Speaker
Not much of a celebration if you ask me. it's It's like the end of Star Wars Episode VI, Return of the Jedi, but like... Maybe a little different.
00:23:05
Speaker
But similar vibes, I think. you say Yub Nub. Yeah. They got Force Ghost in the corner watching. Caesar's Force Ghost. Like, yeah. Ape together.
00:23:19
Speaker
Strong. Ape eat other ape. Yum, yum. so That was Cookie Monster.
00:23:31
Speaker
Are chimpanzees capable of using tools? Yes. Sure. They are. I've seen it. They use rocks to crush nuts. They can strip sticks to fish for termites. And they even spear fish in rivers to fish for food.
00:23:50
Speaker
Like, just in the wild? Yes. Wow. In zoos, they're encouraged to use, like, not weapons. But... Yeah, they are capable of using tools. that's I have seen monkey play game.
00:24:05
Speaker
I've seen monkey play game. It crazy. What game? Monkey play game. Don't know what game, but it play blocks. Monkey play blocks like a playground
Review of 'Primate'
00:24:16
Speaker
game.
00:24:16
Speaker
Yeah, playground game. Monkey do. Monkey play game. i like ape get played. I like big monkey. ah Yeah. um But just think how close they are to go from spearing fish to spearing you.
00:24:36
Speaker
i think Planet of the Apes is documentary. I think so, too. Do you have any trivia facts about how many... chimps outnumber humans do they they're endangered so they don't oh no okay yeah chimps aren't doing too good i wasn't even gonna make a joke about that because slave of the chimps it's it's still probably wipe the floor with us probably and yeah i feel like one chimp could take out seven humans fairly quickly we're actually going to talk about that later all right the movie yes
00:25:10
Speaker
who But before we get there, Travis the chimpanzee, who was made famous for the 2009 mauling of Charlotte Nash in Stamford, Connecticut, was usually subdued with a tea laced with which drug?
00:25:27
Speaker
This is multiple choice. Was it weed? Was it Xanax? Was it cough syrup? Or was it DMT?
00:25:40
Speaker
I'll say DMT. you I also wanted to say DMT. It's not. Can you imagine a chimp on DMT? It was Xanax. And he even when he attacked poor Charlin Hash, he was on Xanax. And when they did a toxicology report for rabies, there was still Xanax in his system.
00:25:58
Speaker
Wow. Did he have rabies? No. But they had to because he bit somebody. What's the context behind that? like What happened to her? What did he do? Travis the Chimp was owned by this lady for like years and years and years.
00:26:12
Speaker
He was a like quote, obese chimp. You got to look up Travis the Chimp. You got to see a picture of him. There's one picture where he's like sitting and looking in the camera, and it's crazy how fat he is.
00:26:27
Speaker
Oh my God. Travis, the chimp. He's got, i don't know if I can say man boobs, but kind of man boobs.
00:26:42
Speaker
Wait, did, uh, did this woman pass away? No, she lived. I'm looking at a picture. Oh, I thought said he ripped her apart or something. He did. He itll He ripped her face apart.
00:26:56
Speaker
She lived. God. Wow. So basically, like, she's over, and she had, like, the chimp's favorite toy. And she had had this... The friend had had this chimp for, like, years.
00:27:06
Speaker
And so Charlotte's over, and she like, picks up, like, a toy or something. And then, like, Travis just goes ape And rips her apart, like rips her hands apart, rips her face apart.
00:27:18
Speaker
And she lived. She's had like facial reconstruction surgery and it looks. mean, you can tell. And she had known like this was not her first time.
00:27:30
Speaker
Interacting. Interacting with Travis the chimp. Hmm.
00:27:35
Speaker
He saying like she knew Travis the chimp. And just one day he went nuts. Damn, that's so scary. Yeah. o Travis was shot to death.
00:27:49
Speaker
Fun fact, Travis's mom was also shot. That's not a fun fact. After Travis's mom, Susie escaped from her enclosure. Oh, she was mourning.
00:28:02
Speaker
No, no, this was like way before then. Okay. And Travis was also separated from his mother very young. like Wow, this is just a sad monkey episode. I thought we were going crazy. is straight up just like animal abuse. Guys, don't own a chimp, please. Yeah, do not.
00:28:17
Speaker
um Next question. did sand This is where it gets kind of crazy. Did Sandra Harreld, the woman who owned Travis, buy another chimpanzee after Travis was shot?
00:28:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yes, she did. Wow. Follow-up question. Which movie... Okay, this chimp's name was Chance, the one that she bought. Which movie did Chance the chimpanzee appear in?
00:28:44
Speaker
Okay, wait, what year was this? So 2009, the attack happened. Uh-huh. It was not long after. Okay, so 2011, 2012, she bought another chimpanzee? Yeah, like 2010, I think. Okay. Famous movie?
00:28:56
Speaker
Very famous. Hmm...
00:29:01
Speaker
Let think. And the movie would have been around that time. Early 20 teens. Yeah. I'm blanking. I'm also b blanking. I feel like it's going to be very obvious.
00:29:13
Speaker
It's it's a kind of blink and you'll miss it moment that the chimp is in the movie. Uh huh. But it is the Wolf of Wall Street. No way. Yep. i I know what scene you're talking about.
00:29:27
Speaker
That was Chance the Chimpanzee. Chance has since passed. He didn't rip anybody apart, though. Good. fun He had a bad life. um According to the Animal Welfare Institute, how many primate as pets related injuries were there from 1990 to 2024? These are all primates and injuries they inflicted on other people.
00:29:51
Speaker
How many total or yearly? total. In total.
00:29:57
Speaker
Wait, what was the time frame? 1990 to 2024.
00:30:03
Speaker
ae I'll say 250. two fifty You're really close.
00:30:10
Speaker
two forty 249. nine You bitch.
00:30:14
Speaker
Malik is closer than 5. The answer adults and children were injured by primates as pets.
00:30:28
Speaker
Guys, please do not have monkeys or apes as pets. It looks cool.
00:30:39
Speaker
You cannot handle them. But that's big can handle them. But you cannot handle them. What makes you think you can handle them? Tell me right I'm him. I'm him.
00:30:51
Speaker
Himothy Chalamet can handle the monkey. Exactly.
00:30:56
Speaker
Going bald, call me. I'm hymns.com. Stupid.
00:31:03
Speaker
I use that shampoo and conditioner.
00:31:08
Speaker
sponsor We are not sponsored in any way, shape, or form by hymns.com. We will be. One day. um i think that's a really great way, though, to segue into our movie today.
00:31:21
Speaker
Primate. All right. Let's get into it. It's about a pet chimp. And the reason you should not have one. Let this movie be a lesson to us all. Letterboxd, Love Like Loathe. I have our five.
00:31:35
Speaker
Alex has the three. Tachi has the one. Yep. Here we go. Wait, actually, I'm going to read the synopsis of Primate first. That way we all know what the heck we're talking about. Primate came out just a week ago, directed by Johannes Roberts.
00:31:51
Speaker
Here's the tagline. Ready? feel like it's Johans. Johans Roberts. Oops. Sorry, Johan. Here's the tagline. You guys ready? Something's wrong with Ben.
00:32:02
Speaker
Home from college, Lucy reunites with family, including pet chip Ben. Ben contracts rabies during a pool party and turns aggressive. Lucy and friends barricade in pool, devising ones to survive the vicious chimp.
00:32:15
Speaker
What a great synopsis. I love barricade and pool. This is Lucy and friends barricade and pool.
00:32:26
Speaker
Wait, we're going to have to touch on the home from college bit because this movie wasn't very well written. no Not at all. Yeah, I didn't understand anything about anyone.
00:32:40
Speaker
Is this movie starring anyone we know? And the answer is no. It starred Johnny Sequoia. False. I know one person. i Johnny Sequoia. Yeah.
00:32:51
Speaker
Jessica Alexander. Troy Kotser. Kotser? Victoria Wyant. Gia Hunter. And others.
00:33:04
Speaker
Who's the person you know, Tachi? The dad. Troy? Yeah. Same. Probably for the same reason. Coda. Yep. Your favorite and best picture. his Favorite best picture yeah winner.
00:33:18
Speaker
You were so mad. I've since been re rehabilitated. Okay. I say won. It won best picture. I'm so proud of you. Thank you.
00:33:30
Speaker
We're making moves this year. um Let's do a letterboxd love black cloth. I've got a five. Here we go. All caps. Best movie I've ever watched. Cinematic masterpiece.
00:33:40
Speaker
Very similar to Interstellar. Must watch. What? There are people out there living completely different lives than you are.
00:33:52
Speaker
That was by SeaDoo811. Shout out to you, SeaDoo. I see you. I think I want to know more about SeaDoo. I do too. guys want to know what their top four Yes, please. Yes. Look at this.
00:34:04
Speaker
Interstellar.
00:34:08
Speaker
Uncut Gems, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Elvis. Which Texas Chainsaw Massacre? um The OG? The one from 2003. who Interesting top four.
00:34:23
Speaker
I think Sea-Doo is him. Okay, hold on. It started so promising. lee Let me see. i was looking at their reviews and be like maybe they just do this interstellar bit across all their reviews.
00:34:34
Speaker
it doesn't look like it. Let me see what their Frankenstein review was. Just says amazing. Watch it. All right. So not sure what's going on here. That review does have a comment, though, says I agree.
00:34:48
Speaker
What ah what country is see you from? Is there a way to tell? i don't know. Is there? I don't think so. This doesn't have like the Twitter. Their profile picture is a cat in a ski mask.
00:35:02
Speaker
I might to follow this guy. Bro, this guy rocks.
00:35:08
Speaker
The Lost in the Frame HQ letterbox plug follow us is now following Sea-Do-811.
00:35:17
Speaker
cd we love you like straight up we love you um the today's three-star review comes from mac underscore smart the poor survival instincts of everyone was the scariest part for sure now this may be controversial but i still think a pet monkey is awesome monkey emoji with hands over eyes thanks mac i'm gonna have to disagree with you there um People get killed in this movie.
00:35:46
Speaker
People get killed in real life. What's the common underlying theme? It's apes. And trying to tame them. yes Yeah. Bro, we gotta be careful out there. There's people dying that have never died before.
00:36:05
Speaker
Hug your loved ones.
00:36:09
Speaker
yeah Listen... The likelihood of a random chimp event is low, but it's never zero. Always remain vigilant.
00:36:21
Speaker
All right. Well, I've got our one star. This comes from Andy Serkis, you've been served. Yeah.
00:36:31
Speaker
andy circus you've been served
00:36:38
Speaker
Andy Serkis is a fraud. He literally could have become an ape and he didn't. That is a great transition. Let's talk about the actual monkey before we get into the actual movie and the Andy Serkis debate.
00:36:50
Speaker
The monkey is played by Miguel Hernando Torres Umba. Pretty sure you guys could tell, not a lot of CGI in this movie. We had a practical ass ape. Completely practical. Completely practical. That was a man in a suit.
00:37:04
Speaker
The whole movie. At first, I was kind of upset about it, but towards the end, I think i I started to respect him. I really respect it. Yeah. Dude went eight, bud. It's a pretty good suit, all things considered. For what I'm assuming is a really low-budget movie, the suit was really good. The facial features. Yeah, from what I can see, they had um a lot of different masks, a lot of like animatronic masks.
00:37:31
Speaker
um There did look like to be a couple scenes where they did CGI some expressions over his face, but there were very, very few, but like... body acting going this dude went eight mode literally i would love i'd love to be able to go get paid to go eight mode that would be so crazy i think this guy should get into what is it called the cgi acting what is that called motion capture motion capture yeah he should get into mocap i think he would do well his filmography on letterbox is very very nada
00:38:08
Speaker
As of like, or or much like 99% of the cast. Yes. Yeah. I don't know any of these people, like we said, but besides the dad. um How did you guys feel about this movie?
00:38:20
Speaker
Are you guys excited going into this? No. I think I was excited for it, like for the experience, but I had a...
00:38:32
Speaker
i't know i guess a feeling that it obviously would not be the greatest thing. i was Yeah, that's that was my exact feeling, but I was just excited to watch it with you guys. I wish our theater was like packed.
00:38:44
Speaker
It was us and I think maybe three other people, but I could just imagine in a packed theater because like we laughed a lot. like There's a lot of unironically funny moments in this movie.
00:38:55
Speaker
It is a very bad movie, just so we're all clear, but it's a good time. It's a good-ass time. Yeah, it's, uh, yeah, I mean, i think that we should probably just start with the good before we launch into like 50 minutes of the bad. Okay.
00:39:12
Speaker
Um, I thought the the, practical effects were really good and I thought there were some pretty solid kills and that was it. The soundtrack kind of was decent too.
00:39:24
Speaker
The house is cool. I don't know why it was so close to that cliff, but it was literally built into the cliff. I'm like, that house has like a timer on it before it's gone.
00:39:36
Speaker
I don't know how a linguistics professor and author author afforded that. An author who had not had a movie deal yet afforded that.
00:39:47
Speaker
Yeah, pure books. And I feel like everybody gets a New York Times bestseller. I'm sure that's not a big accomplishment. Every book is one of those. um I agree with you for the good practical effects. Some good kills.
00:40:00
Speaker
There were some shots I actually really liked ah just off the top of my head. The scene where it goes back to the doctor who is dead in the enclosure.
00:40:12
Speaker
when his phone is lighting up and that was a light on his skull. That was pretty cool. you can just see the teeth like yeah the teeth. Yeah, they make out the skull. Yeah. And the other one was, i think, inside the house, I think in one of the bedrooms.
00:40:28
Speaker
Yeah, it was when the older sister goes to see her little sister in in the room. You see the older sister in the door frame and then the little sister like in a mirror in a reflection. i I don't know.
00:40:40
Speaker
thought that was kind of nice. um those are really the only two that come to mind but i don't know it's better than no impressive shots that's very true um so I totally agree with you I think they jumped the shark on that first kill because I think that first kill is either my first or second favorite yeah we get that like right off the jump but that was a really cool shot with the with the phone lighting up the skull like at that point I was like all right I'm in yeah and then we get to the airplane
00:41:11
Speaker
And I think this is where you guys had some issues with the writing. So it just started sighing collectively ah aib across the world. yeah It's, uh,
00:41:23
Speaker
um Yes, this movie opens with like, i mean, the synopsis says that she's coming back from college, but like they make it out like she's coming back home for like the first time, like in a while because of like something.
00:41:37
Speaker
Dude, yeah. And it's like like, well, she's coming back. Like, I'm here for you. I'm here for you while you're coming home. And it's like, there's like weird energy. And then um Timu Haley Steinfeld shows up.
00:41:48
Speaker
And like ruins the energy real quick. They made it sound like she just ran away from home. I thought she ran away and was just like being a bad daughter and a bad sister by just, but she just went to college to better herself.
00:42:02
Speaker
i I guess like she was busy. She had her head down from interns. Yeah. Okay. Hater. It's a little unclear.
00:42:13
Speaker
Yeah. The, the plane scene was pretty questionable. I think we could have written a much better script in about five minutes. but There were some truly awful lines in this. like None so bad that I remembered them. like I have to bring this up on the pod. But a lot where you're just like, oh, come on.
00:42:31
Speaker
And I don't even think the line reads were really half bad. It's just the actual script was just... Yeah. I mean...
00:42:43
Speaker
And then we get like we land and then it just it doesn't really get better. Like they go to the house and then like fake Haley Steinfeld gets people's numbers or something and they go to the house and they like start doing drugs or something.
00:43:01
Speaker
It's just beer. It's just underage drinking. a joint like the The sister is really, really mad that the main character, Lucy, went to college.
00:43:12
Speaker
She's pissed. like if you can't believe it. You abandoned me. She won't even like talk to her for like five minutes. And she's got to be 15, 16, the younger sister. So like I'm sure she understands the concept of college.
00:43:26
Speaker
Like, she's not seven and like, you just left me! And like, doesn't understand why. Like, I'm sure she knows what college is. Perhaps has even visited one. I mean, if her mom's a linguistics professor, then yeah, maybe, like, I went to my mom's work. like You know?
00:43:43
Speaker
And so
00:43:47
Speaker
Fake Haley Steinfeld is just like there. Like no one wants her there, but she gets like it's like her character actually is like the most sympathetic, despite her being like air quotes, like terrible bratty girl. Yeah. Yeah. Because she's like someone who it's implied, like didn't really have a great time at school and then gets invited to go to like this nice place in in Hawaii for like a little bit.
00:44:09
Speaker
So she comes and then like this one girl, the main character is just being awful to her and like freezing her out. And then like, there's like chip. For no reason. Like this main girl, she just has like insane jealousy issues. Like you can't, your friend can't have more than one friend.
00:44:25
Speaker
I it's so like what is the what is the beef? Did anyone pick this up? I thought there was like a like a like a dating like romantic thing between Lucy and the other girl with the heart necklace. That's what I thought was happening on the plane. I thought so when fake when fake Haley showed up and I thought it was like, oh, like, why'd you invite her? This was supposed to be like alone time for and then like it just like kind of take that tension and never bring it back up again.
00:44:54
Speaker
It was just the tension between friends. We didn't even get like a payoff with the necklace. Like I could have like i when we see the necklaces. So they both are wearing two halves of a heart.
00:45:06
Speaker
I was like, OK, one of these girls is going to die and then they're going to like have a yeah slow mo scene, like put the necklaces back up. Skins can be real emotional. Never happened. the necklace is just like these two are close by the way they share the same heart and unfortunately that necklace was just the least of our problems little did we know it would steamroll the much worse situations so let's let let's continue from the the point of view from timu haley poor haley she's in this house the house's owner hates her
00:45:43
Speaker
like She's getting frozen out. There's this cute guy there who seems kind of nice, but like you know he's kind of weird. and But then like a chimpanzee just shows up. Just spawns in. It's...
00:45:58
Speaker
but It's like grabbing you like, oh, he's nervous around strangers. It's like it's it's a straight up chimpanzee. And everyone's laughing at you because you're rightfully so freaking out of the chimp. I mean, and it's it's not even like a baby chimp. This is a full grown. And he's wearing clothes. He's wearing clothes. How did that not come up a single time on the plane ride?
00:46:22
Speaker
Right. Like, by the way, ah got a crazy animal. If you see an animal wearing clothes, don't freak out. He's mine.
00:46:31
Speaker
He's also you got almost your height. Yeah. And he can stand on two legs. And he will talk to you. He can speak sign language. And he has a soundboard.
00:46:44
Speaker
He's really into DJing, so don't worry. And don't worry about the ah the button on the soundboard that says dead. so It is one of his favorite buttons. I'll tell you that right now.
00:46:57
Speaker
But it means nothing. It means nothing.
00:47:02
Speaker
So to continue, um you're at this beautiful place in Hawaii, and you know you're you're at the pool, and all of a sudden, the chimp is there. Peter. Peter, the chimp is here. That was good.
00:47:20
Speaker
And it's like starting to like froth at the mouth, looking at the pool. And you're like, what is going on? and you're getting scared of it. And then the the dad shows up and saves the day. And you're like, oh, it's just the chimp being a chimp.
00:47:34
Speaker
It goes away. He's of strangers. But little do you know that a mongoose broke into this chimp's enclosure and gave it rabies.
00:47:46
Speaker
Granted, Hawaii, and I looked this up after the movie, Hawaii is actually rabies-free. o So it wasn't like, you know, the negligence of owning a chimpanzee. Like, you know, you brought it in. It was infected.
00:48:03
Speaker
like no like it just straight up like rabies on the island for some reason. There's an interesting story there. There's something bigger happening in the background. Like, why did the mongoose have rabies? Where did the rabies come from?
00:48:16
Speaker
it It breaks into Ben, the chimps enclosure and bites it and gives it rabies. When did it bite it? Earlier that day, according to Cornell, how long is the incubation rate in rabies in animals?
00:48:36
Speaker
Is this a question? Yes. 48 hours. A week. Tachi, you're right on the money, my man. Oh, nice. Good show. Three to 12 week incubation period.
00:48:51
Speaker
Oh, so I'm not right on the money. You were close. Okay. You were weeks. Malik was days. You fool. Because he's an idiot.
00:49:02
Speaker
Jeez. He doesn't even know ball. He doesn't know disease. He doesn't know ape. I know ape. Rabies, by the way, in humans, the incubation period is like one to three months before symptoms will show.
00:49:16
Speaker
The movie had symptoms showing. i don't even think it had been 24 It was maybe four. Like that Ben goes from being like, ow, I got bit to being like crazy rabbit.
00:49:31
Speaker
With the hydrophobia and the foaming at the mouth and rage and aggression. And I'm pretty sure like a You know, there There's got to be a vaccine for rabies for apes. I mean, apes are in zoos. There's got to be a way to treat it or prevent it, right?
00:49:50
Speaker
I mean, like cats have rabies vaccines. there's a rabies vaccine for dogs. Hashtag unvaccinated. Like a horse. There is a rabies vaccine for people. I am actually very passionate about the rabies vaccine.
00:50:02
Speaker
Why? Because I have it. I've received it. I've been inoculated for rabies. Whoa. Good. Me too. Really? No.
00:50:13
Speaker
Hashtag I'm vaccinated. Hashtag you want to know why it's because a bat flew in my house and rabies is transmitted via saliva.
00:50:25
Speaker
So if this bat had rabies and drooled, which apparently bats do, and I came in contact with it, I would have gotten rabies. No, this was in high school. Oh, wow. Okay. So I received the rabies vaccine.
00:50:38
Speaker
Did you know that they dose out the rabies vaccine by weight? I did not know that. How many shots do you think I received for the first round of the rabies vaccine?
00:50:50
Speaker
Four. i was going to say four. Six. How many rounds are there? One in each arm and two in each leg. How many times? Yeah. i used to have a fear of needles until this happened. Yeah, that was exposure therapy 101. So you did them all at the same time. yeah that do the You do the mega dose once and then it's like a normal inoculation. I think it's like maybe two.
00:51:18
Speaker
or it was like two or three like follow ups. And I think it was just one jab each follow up. And then that's it. You're good for life. So you're good. I think if you get bit like you re up. But yeah, it's like you're you're
Speculative Sequels and Cinematic Universe
00:51:31
Speaker
pretty much good.
00:51:31
Speaker
Was this like a whole family affair? Did you all this was a whole family affair? Rabies day. Yeah, it's got to be like 36 shots. My mom and sister were below me. My dad was above me. My dad ended up getting 10 shots. Oh, wow.
00:51:46
Speaker
Wow. That first day. So i'm I'm very like, I know rabies. um Yeah. We had like a big discussion about like rabies and like the. So this movie was very close to home.
00:51:59
Speaker
And it's very unrealistic that the ape was showing symptoms in like not four hours. Yeah. I need my evil primate movie to be realistic. I need that. and There's nothing preventing it from that being the case.
00:52:15
Speaker
Like genuinely, there's nothing preventing it from being the case. All right. So where are we at in the movie? So Haley was just in the pool. Ben but did a little sloshing. Now he's OK. Yeah. So that was a false alarm.
00:52:27
Speaker
So Ben gets locked up, but then he like is rabid and comes out again. and then like someone sees him in the house and then everybody gets up and somehow they end up at the pool.
00:52:40
Speaker
Ben is scary. Ben is scary. His first few moments of him just kind of like standing there. They're like, Ben.
00:52:49
Speaker
Like. He's like fighting it. Yeah. But then he loses. It's really sad. He does lose the fight. And he was trying to tell him too. was He was pointing to his shoulder. Oh, poor guy. Yeah.
00:52:59
Speaker
They, ah someone yells out. They're like, he can't swim. Get in the pool. So they get in the pool. Oh, no, no, wait. Here's the best bit. So Haley is like, you got to shoot this thing.
00:53:12
Speaker
She's like, you got to shoot a sick and dying animal that is scary and vicious. And they get pissed at her. How dare you? That's Ben. he like You're like...
00:53:23
Speaker
You shoot sick animals. So now you're trying to like tell people like this is a sick and dangerous animal. And they're like, no, we're going to do group therapy with Ben. Very important distinction is we found out like maybe 10 minutes prior to this that their mother passed away from cancer last year.
00:53:40
Speaker
So... Maybe that hits a little close to home because she was sick. Is this Timu Haley Steinfeld saying that her mom was a sick animal? Should we have shot her? You're not going to shoot my monkey.
00:53:52
Speaker
You're not going to shoot my mom.
00:53:56
Speaker
If your mom's rabid, she should probably get shot.
00:54:02
Speaker
she's tearing people apart, like, yeah, shoot her.
00:54:07
Speaker
I just love watching Malik only make himself laugh. so I don't even remember how they all ended up at the pool.
00:54:18
Speaker
can I don't remember how they all ended up down there again. think they congregated like on the balcony or something. I think so. In the kitchen. I don't know. But why Because Ben was scary and someone screamed or something?
00:54:32
Speaker
Was that it? It was. So three girls, right? There was Lucy, sister, Haley Steinfeld. And then there was four girls. Oh, the boy. No, the little sister. Four girls, one boy. Four girls, one boy. Yeah. So there was the Lucy and her little sister. And girl, little sister.
00:54:48
Speaker
Haley. Haley. And... The brother and sister. The brother. but but Yeah. Brother and sister. And... The sister's the one that had the other half of the necklace. yeah Yeah, the other necklace girl. Yeah.
00:55:01
Speaker
So just yeah, the one the one that murked on the stairs, bro. I'm missing a complete. I'm missing an an entire person. He got thrown off the cliff. The brother did.
00:55:11
Speaker
Yeah, he got launched because he's an idiot. Yeah, but Okay, yeah, yeah. Anyway, um we're in this pool for a little too long. Way too long. Like maybe 25 entire minutes we're in this pool. I actually thought they were going to be in the pool the whole time. I did too.
00:55:28
Speaker
Like it was long to the point where I'm like, I'm thinking of them making this movie. I'm like, how long were they actually in the pool and how cold was that? Did they get sick? If I'm thinking that at that point, you're in the pool too long.
00:55:41
Speaker
This guy. So the chimp standing on like the edge of the cliff. You guys have to go see this. man You have to go see. He's like, I'm going to knock him off and kill him. So like the brother like powers up and starts like swimming.
00:55:56
Speaker
And like knocks him off, but then gets, like knocks himself off or something. i don't know how that happened. It's just i don't know either that cheesy fake out thing where they're looking over the cliff. They're like, oh, he's probably dead.
00:56:09
Speaker
And then, yeah, they get yanked. Oh, and then ah but at this point, the sister gets bit. And he's like bleeding out in the pool. And then it just she just stops bleeding. here's Here's what I was hoping for. They hit her with a tourniquet. and she just And all the blood in the All the blood in the pool just goes away, by the way.
00:56:29
Speaker
Shout out to that pool filter. I was hoping that the rabies was going to get to her really quick. While they were still in the pool. And she was going to go rabid. And they were going to get out of the pool. And now you got to deal with the monkey and the zombie.
00:56:41
Speaker
Also, why did they make her tread water instead of putting her on the floatie?
00:56:49
Speaker
Like, that's what I thought they were getting the floaty for, was to put her on it so she didn't have to keep her leg in the water. It for everybody. They're like, all right, we all need to be on the floaty.
00:56:59
Speaker
One floaty for all. Okay, and then Hailee Steinfeld gets scalped. well Yeah. Strugs it off like straight up. Nothing. Her like the chimp is on like these like string lights. So somehow don't even know how he got up there or how he's staying or silent. Yeah.
00:57:15
Speaker
He grabs Haley by her hair, pulls her up, which is probably more accurate for a chimp. Her scalp rips off. And she just tanks it.
00:57:26
Speaker
And you never see it again. She goes like, there's a shot of her putting her hand or her head and then you can see the blood. That's it. That's the last. You literally see like a chunk of scalp on the hair and it's, it never is addressed again. And she doesn't. i She's fine. Yeah.
00:57:41
Speaker
She's fine. Like she leaves the pool. Like she goes on like this secret mission. She actually ends up with car keys in a car. and And not once did they address the fact that she got scalped.
00:57:55
Speaker
Do you know how painful the scalping is? I do. Were you scalped as a boy? No, I scalped somebody. Okay, cool. I mean, I can imagine it hurts. Yeah. The guy was screaming a lot. Okay.
00:58:08
Speaker
Moving on. um
00:58:13
Speaker
Sister's bit. The brother's dead. We're still in the pool. How do we get out of the pool? like he just like the age of leaves he left right yeah so they try to get a phone during that that scene when they're trying to get the phone that's like right in front of Ben and she gets out of the water but it keeps looking at her is he asleep or is he just like i'm not I think he's just vibing he's just like I think he's just like dealing with the sickness he's probably nauseous okay but then as soon as she makes a noise he's like all right all right that's it get to the pool
00:58:49
Speaker
We need to cover talk about the ah the two guys that show up, the party boys. Dude, those poor guys. Oh, my God. Okay, so yeah, going back to the plane. Shit.
00:59:01
Speaker
That goddamn plane. That goddamn plane. They had given their number out to to two boys on the plane who were like, whoa, you're pretty. And then that was like their entire interaction. And at some point, they gave each other the number. They're like, okay, call them.
00:59:15
Speaker
They called them earlier, actually, before the chaos ensued. They gave them the most outrageous proposition. They're like, come over. It was whore mansion and yeah stuff. It's the most obscene like opener. And then it's like, and they're like, that's a crazy prank. Whoa.
00:59:34
Speaker
And they get this voicemail and the two guys hear it and they go, yeah, we're going whore mansion. We're on our way.
00:59:45
Speaker
Oh man, that poor white boy. or he cut they Yeah, they show up and they the way that they their their body language as they're like searching the house they like, hey, we're here. They're like, all right, you go upstairs. I'll go downstairs. And they're like, all right, we're going to find these girls like drinking a beer. Grab me a beer from their fridge.
01:00:05
Speaker
Also, what he did not have to pick up the picture frame and throw it on the ground. That was so unnecessary. like He doesn't even know these people. they They're trying hard to make these guys like the villains when they're just like pretty normal guys. They're just normal dudes. They're bad romantically. Like a bunch of girls tell them to come over to their whore mansion and they're like excited that they're going to get laid. like Like, what do they spell?
01:00:34
Speaker
We're very chast individuals, but we still came over because we believe... women are pure like what like you know they're like yeah we're on vacation right you know i will say i was happy when they showed up because at this point in the movie i'm like all right i need more kills we've had ah we've had two i think 45 minutes into this movie i was like we need something else to like kick things into gear excluding the doctor from the first 30 seconds yeah yeah yeah and then they showed up and i was like all right fresh daddy's about to eat
01:01:07
Speaker
That bedroom scene was brutal. It was so... It was actually like... That was insane kill. It was pretty good. Yeah. That really I hate to say it. Like, they cooked. And his panic felt a little real. I'm not gonna lie.
01:01:19
Speaker
I don't know what he was... a Whenever he's, like, pleading with Ben yeah to not kill him was just really funny. But the actual, like, kill itself... Great effects. yeah Great practical effects.
01:01:31
Speaker
I like this. will say when when Ben grabbed his wrist and held him down on the bed... It was very ah you so freaky at Ben. Where did he learn that?
01:01:43
Speaker
Ben. What's he been watching? Ben.
01:01:52
Speaker
The movie could have turned into something else for sure at that point.
01:02:02
Speaker
Bandit talking bandit.
01:02:15
Speaker
And then the black guy The black friend. His kill... here's Okay, here's ah here's here's my here's my problem, alright? yeah I think this movie's racist.
01:02:30
Speaker
you
01:02:34
Speaker
And I say that because the white guy died first. I think they were trying too hard to not fall into a stereotype. m That it was just like... that it made them it just they're they're racist they try not to fall into the stereotype of killing the black guy first and then when it comes to his kill we don't even see it it's hidden it's hidden behind a chair and Ben's just going around and I'm like we can't even see anything Ben is beating him to death with a shovel but we don't see anything that's one of my biggest complaints about the movie it is so dark you can't see anything
01:03:12
Speaker
anything I'm glad the bedroom was like lit red, but the the girl who dies on the staircase didn't couldn't see any of that. Nope. Didn't know what was going on.
01:03:22
Speaker
Also, he really didn't need a rock. he's He's got his bare fists. He's got his hands. yeah yeah Okay, here's another problem with this movie. like People fight Ben, and not like not like they like stick their hand up and get ripped to shreds. like There are multiple people of multiple different sizes and builds in this movie that spar with a chimp.
01:03:44
Speaker
A rabid chimp. Like, that'd be like me trying to fight, like, Khabib Nurmagomedov. Like, I'm gonna get walked.
01:03:55
Speaker
I won't even get a like a punch in. The little sister has a scene where Ben is inside. They locked him inside. And there's they got a big sliding glass door with a big-ass handle. Like ah like a rich people handle.
01:04:07
Speaker
And she's holding it from the other side. And he's trying to get it. And there's a struggle. Yeah, no shot. No. No shot. That girl had to be 80 pounds soaking wet.
01:04:20
Speaker
That one punch from Ben, gone.
01:04:26
Speaker
Yeah, power scaling was off. He fights like Lucy, the little sister, and the dad, and they like actually like put up a fight.
01:04:37
Speaker
There's no way. There's no way. like Ben would... Again, if you stuck Ben... on the Dallas Cowboys, they would have had a competent defense this past season.
01:04:47
Speaker
Also, the dad is away on some like book tour thing, yeah maybe about 30 minutes away. Because he got home pretty quick, but he was ah was a whole ah it was a whole big thing that he was going away for work for a few days, but he was probably 15 minutes like down the road. And then he comes back and he's like, I'll never leave you again. like maybe maybe don't own a chimp. Yeah.
01:05:10
Speaker
none of it like None of this would have happened if the chimp didn't exist. And while he's at the book signing, he's getting the signs from the vet, or the text from the vet, and they're like, yo, is the vet goes, is this a joke?
01:05:22
Speaker
And he's like, what? And she's like, this mongoose has rabies. And he's like, there's no rabies in Hawaii. And the vet responds, didn't know you were a vet. Yeah, the vet was like, thanks for your veterinary expertise. And I'm like...
01:05:35
Speaker
I'm like, oh, they're just making fun of him. They're like, you're right. they Probably so the sample got tainted. We'll retry it. i like and insane it wasn't It wasn't sarcasm. like They were just dead serious. like yeah Oh, thanks.
01:05:48
Speaker
Oh, okay. Yeah, you're right. sure um And he leaves abruptly. It seems like he was about to sign a lucrative deal and didn't tell them, hey, I have a family emergency. I'll be right back. She's like, you're ruining your chance.
01:06:00
Speaker
They're never going to give you this chance again. Imagine they still don't give him the chance. Can you imagine the news, like the guy, the agent watching the news being like, that guy almost signed a deal with our studio. We would have been so screwed.
01:06:16
Speaker
I mean, and really the dad should have never left the book signing thing because I mean, you know that that wrongful death lawsuit is going to be bananas. was seven, six, seven people.
01:06:33
Speaker
Like, I mean, you think what we do you think the average wrongful death lawsuit amount is like ten, what five hundred K to a million dollars in settlement?
01:06:45
Speaker
Sure. Like seven million bucks. Like, dude, you're going broke. That house is gone. yeah Yeah. you're going to sell it for undervalue because a chip massacre happened there.
01:07:00
Speaker
I will say other his his return to the house actually gave me um two of my favorite moments. One, when he opens the bedroom door and it's just the red light shining on him when he sees that dead kid on the bed. And then when he goes back downstairs and it's dead silent. It's so sad it's so sick.
01:07:19
Speaker
And you can see her go into the back room and then he follows. Watching his his his daughter get chased by Ben all in silence. I don't know. that was i that is That is a really cool scene. unfortunately that one cooked as because it was like when he pulls up when he pulls up to the house like the score is kind of going on in the background and as he opens the door slowly like the score slowly fades out yeah and then it's like dead silence i was like o okay all right they're cooking a little bit here i feel like that had to be a scene from coda though they just stole it probably were there apes in coda i didn't see it
01:07:52
Speaker
Who knows? Might have been better with apes. could I think every movie needs apes to be good. Hot take. Every movie needs a Ben.
01:08:04
Speaker
Coda of the Planet of the Apes. want to see Ben in Interstellar.
01:08:10
Speaker
Send that chip to space. Wasn't there a Space Chimps movie? Like an animated one? Yes, I can see i see it now. i think I feel like Dwayne Johnson's in it. What? Are you thinking of Doom?
01:08:27
Speaker
Don't back check me. Alright, Dad gets home. And they fight. They duke it out with Ben. Oh, yeah. Ben has, like, a soundboard that has the words dead on it. Oh, yeah. So we we get a lot of scenes of Lucy, dead.
01:08:41
Speaker
Lucy, dead. Dead.
01:08:45
Speaker
And then? Ben so bank gets killed.
01:08:51
Speaker
Oh, Hayley's dead, by the way. That's why we're not, like, focusing on her anymore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was't like she was in the car. Yeah. That was... um Scream? Yeah. Does something similar?
01:09:03
Speaker
Yeah. With the car, right? I think so. Yeah. I don't remember if it's the first or second one, but... I think it's the first one, because actually remember it. I don't really remember anything about the second one. The monkey has keys in hand, does the scream bit where someone's in the car, he's got the keys, they're locking and unlocking, it's a battle of, oh, who's going to get it first?
01:09:21
Speaker
Chimp wins.
01:09:24
Speaker
I mean, Ben just could have ripped the door off straight up. Or just punched through the window. That was an old car. Those hinges were nothing. um rip Ben dies, yeah and the movie ends, and they're like, this I'll never leave you guys again. It's like, yay, family. And they like leave, and then this cop...
01:09:47
Speaker
Starts rage baiting Lucy with the soundboard. Goes, Lucy, dead. Lucy, dead. He does it. He pushes both buttons twice, so a total of four pushes.
01:10:01
Speaker
And then he looks at her and gives her like... the Oh, and then when they're they're carting the the little sister on the gurney, and they're like, oh, you'll be fine. She's just like been bleeding out from a rabies monkey for the last three hours. I don't even think that was the actual actress anymore that looked like a body double. Like a fake, like I thought she was dead.
01:10:19
Speaker
Like you'll be fine and she's Life would have been like the amount of blood she loses in the pool and then it just disappears from the pool. that was Oh, that was a crazy bite. And then she also gets a the poor sister. She gets like she gets bitten like the femoral artery. Yeah.
01:10:33
Speaker
Like a lot of blood. She gets scratched in the back as soon as she's out of the pool. Oh, yeah. that scratch was nasty. Yeah. was like all all his claws were just like dragging across her back.
01:10:45
Speaker
How do you not just decide to kill yourself like halfway through this? Like, I'll just jump off the cliff too. yeah ah feel like against Monkey, I'd have to try.
01:10:56
Speaker
Another continuity error, or maybe not an error, but just an oversight. But Lucy has her whole hand just like completely destroyed and is never addressed.
01:11:09
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Remember, he he does the reach out. They hold hands for a second. He just nasty rips off her hand yeah and she's fine she struggles like scooching under the bed a little bit like you can see her doing her hand but then that's basically it yeah she's totally fine to duel in the next five minutes people like just make stupid decisions they decide like i'm gonna go i'm gonna go with you like oh my god that pissed me off
01:11:40
Speaker
let move People can make dumb decisions. That's fine. But they are, again, they're in the pool for like 20 minutes. And they're like all right, now's my chance. I'm going to go. And they're all terrified.
01:11:51
Speaker
And she's at the top of the stairs. And she looks over and her friend is there because they're going to do it together. Stay in the pool. What are you doing? I would not get out of that pool. i'd be like, hell no. I hope I see you soon. i don't know why they left. Like, why not just wait for daybreak? i think because the sister what should have been bleeding out to death.
01:12:10
Speaker
I thought that was the urgency, but apparently she's fine. She just lost a couple gallons of blood. That's all. She'll survive. The pool water was keeping her afloat. Yeah. I think this could have been like a really good movie about the dangers of like trying to tame a wild animal and thinking it's like a pet.
01:12:31
Speaker
And it it wasn't. This doesn't need to be. I'm glad that this is just a monkey get rabies. Kill people move. but it's Singular. here's my Here's my problem with it. I don't think it went like far enough.
01:12:48
Speaker
in In what direction? Like i I just felt like it could have been even more absurd. There could have been more deaths. There was like I think too much dead space where they were in the pool. Yeah. theyre you mean the pool too long yeah Give me your pitch for primate to Ben has a baby.
01:13:10
Speaker
at some point he has a baby and the baby also has rabies somehow but we're uh we're not confined to a house okay we're in a small hawaiian town what are we looking at how many kills are we seeing how brutal is it how ridiculous are we going i'd say 20 to 30 people 20 to 30 people like on screen death ben's son has guns
01:13:32
Speaker
Maybe a grenade. Primate 2 fully loaded. Yeah. And a sword strapped his back. That'd be good. i like I like where we're going with this. Any returning characters? I think that... brother.
01:13:47
Speaker
I think that a Doctor Strange portal opens and Caesar comes out and he's like, Ben, we need you. And then he goes in and it's just Planet of the Apes. It'd be a crazy post-credit scene.
01:14:03
Speaker
What about like an animal killing owner cinematic universe? Like instead of primate 2, it's like feline. It's a tiger. oh Like Mike Tyson.
01:14:13
Speaker
Yeah. I'm putting together a team. Canine. I like it. and I would like Cocaine Bear to be there. Dramadary.
01:14:26
Speaker
equine. um Was this your guys' first watch of 2026? Yes. okay like not first like yeah in the theater? okay so ah no i saw But it was your first 2026 movie. like It was my first 2026 movie, but I went and I saw... um Let this be a sneak peek for the rest of the year.
01:14:49
Speaker
I saw no other choice in theaters this year. i didn't do yeah I do hope that this is a good indication for what the rest of the year is going to be like. If every movie has Monkey, you get five stars from it.
01:15:02
Speaker
The first four movies I've watched this year are a real mixed bag. I start off the year with Twilight. My first time watching it all the way through. Good. Treasure Planet. Prime 8. And then Train Dreams.
01:15:15
Speaker
That is a mix. It is a mix. I did. i logged the Stranger Things finale. Oh, yeah. Millennium Mambo. No other choice.
01:15:28
Speaker
begonia, Nouvelle Vogue, and primate. Where am at for the year? I did Selena documentary, Thunderbolts.
01:15:39
Speaker
It was just an accident. If I had legs, I'd kick you. Me talking to Ben. And then primate. Ben should have used his legs more. He should have.
01:15:51
Speaker
Maybe his son will know.
2026 Movie Rankings and 'Nope' Discussion
01:15:53
Speaker
um Currently, this is my number one ranked movie of 2026. I'm not sure when that'll change. I agree. um this It's also actually my lowest ranked movie of 2026. It's both for me. It's both for me. It's complicated. um It could go either direction.
01:16:10
Speaker
i'll I'll tell you what. If this doesn't change tomorrow with The Bone Temple, it's over. Look, I know Dune 3 comes out this year, but... Primate might stay in my top three.
01:16:24
Speaker
We'll see. Bone Temple, Dune 3, Primate.
01:16:32
Speaker
I wish I felt that way unironically, but if we're being real, I gave this movie a two and a half. I also gave this a two and a half. I'm thinking about it.
01:16:44
Speaker
I will also give it a two and a half. oh Lost in the frame. Two and a half.
01:16:54
Speaker
That's going to be the soundboard for a equal two and a half for all of us.
01:17:00
Speaker
ah Man. We've got about 10 seconds to cover Nope. We can talk. ah Yeah, we can we can or we can't. Up to you guys.
01:17:14
Speaker
We've gone pretty long already. Yeah. I'm actually surprised we talked that long about Primate. I thought it was going be like 10 minutes. Okay, going to give a... So we watched Nope. Some of us did. We were going to pair that with Primate because they both have killer monkeys.
01:17:29
Speaker
um I watched Nope today. Let's talk Gordy. I mean, we can talk. we don't have to talk the whole movie. We can talk Gordy. Okay, let me just say how i feel about Nope, okay? No. I love it. all right, Gordy. I do also really like Nope.
01:17:42
Speaker
Yep. Um... Nope is like the movie that primate that I said primate should have been like. Nope is a movie about taming, trying to tame wild animals.
01:17:55
Speaker
Yes. Exploiting. And, and exploiting and Gordy. My favorite. This comes from ourrs slash Nope movie on Reddit submitted three years ago. The the title of the thread is Gordy theory.
01:18:13
Speaker
And it's I think the Gordy scene was a metaphor about taming wild animals and how you can never really tame a wild beast. The movie seems to continually hit at wild animals and their instinctive nature, including human nature and human behavior.
01:18:26
Speaker
In the end, they never really tamed the monster. They killed it. They also killed Gordy.
01:18:33
Speaker
that comes from it's definitely a rage mate it's just straight up like what the movie's about like yeah think yeah i think think i'm not sure
01:18:47
Speaker
yeah i mean but that is yeah like nope is the movie that like primate could have been and it takes itself seriously it's actually really good No, it's Gordy's in it. Yeah.
01:19:00
Speaker
The Gordy scene is insane. The opening. Did you you did you watch no recently, Tachi? I watched last night. OK. In the first like 10 seconds when we're hearing like the sound of the TV show. Yeah. And then we open with Steven Yeun being younger and then we see Gordy the way he looks at the camera and then it just cuts to black. Mm hmm. And then it's crazy. Oh, my God. I was so unsettling.
01:19:24
Speaker
It's such a wild opening to a movie. It's going to be about aliens. It's just Gordy. Yeah. Yeah. so and then And then he's so like nonchalant about it, like talking about it.
01:19:37
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Gordy. Gordy's home. Yeah. It's so sad. It's Alex, you should rewatch it. I do need to rewatch it. Yeah, it's it's really good.
01:19:48
Speaker
There's our nope discussion. i do think it was a lot better the second time around. i was i was able to, i guess, digest the themes and and the message and I guess enjoy the shots some more because I'm not trying to understand what's happening.
01:20:02
Speaker
Were you not like too high on it the first time you you saw it? I liked it, didn't love it, but now I love it. It's for sure my favorite Jordan Peele. Yeah. It's a beautiful movie. Very ambitious.
01:20:13
Speaker
I love the alien design. Yeah. And the screams were way more haunting the second time. Yes. And they were pretty haunting the first time. yeah Terrifying. Oh my God. The shot of the house covered in blood. Oh jean jacket over Put it in the Louvre.
01:20:31
Speaker
Beautiful. Beautiful shot. Jean jacket is also such a great name. for like It's so good. yeah i love all the night scenes. the They shot all the night scenes and during the daytime. And then i don't know what they did to make it night scene. But I like that. I really like the look that it gave it Because we could see everything. yeah Unlike Primate.
01:20:52
Speaker
Good job, Primate. What else you guys
Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser
01:20:55
Speaker
got? Any more monkey-related injuries or stories you want to tell?
01:20:59
Speaker
think i'm i monkeyed out for tonight. Yeah. aped out don't We've been beating on our chest all night.
01:21:07
Speaker
think this monkey jumped off the bed and hit his head. I think it's time for these three little monkeys to go to bed.
01:21:18
Speaker
Bye.
01:21:22
Speaker
Bone Temple next week. Lock in. Bye. Bye.