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Lost In The Bone Temple
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28 Years Later: The Bone Temple is here and we're here to talk about it! How's that?
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Introduction and Episode Tease
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Us here at Lost in the Frame love zombie movies. And all three of us have something in common with the one we're talking about today. Listen and find out what that is.
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Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. My name is Malik. My name is Tachi. My name is Alex. And it is cold where we are.
The Snowpocalypse and Survival Humor
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Snowpocalypse is upon us. Are you guys ready? Are you prepared?
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Sort of. ah I'm prepared as long as I don't lose power and water.
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the ah the The cannibalism has already started in my neighborhood. That's crazy. Yeah. You're just eating your roommate. Yeah, he's long gone. hate him weeks ago. Long before the snowstorm. love of the game. yeah I had to get the tolerance back up, you know, food poisoning and all that.
00:01:10
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I was inspired to to want to eat people from after watching the Bone Temple. How are you guys doing? feel like it's been a while since we've chatted.
00:01:19
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I guess good. Fighting off some sickness the last couple weeks, but it's all right. It's been going around. Yeah, it's been rough. i was hoping I was hoping I wasn't going to get sick, so we're supposedre recording on a Saturday, which is different. like I'm having coffee. That's different than what we usually do.
00:01:35
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um We're supposed to record Monday... And after a wedding I had in the cold, I thought I was going to get sick. I didn't. Thank goodness. I just lost my voice. But we were taking Dayquil and Nyquil up the wazoo to prevent it. But my voice was completely gone for like two days. Not the wazoo.
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The wazoo.
00:01:57
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Well, glad you're all right. Thank you. um We don't have much movie news. I did want to talk about this one that you sent in our group chat, Alex. A Victoria spinoff?
Rumored Spinoff of Victoria
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Oh, yeah. is that Is that real? mean, pop bass is like kind of reputable, right? I think so.
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Anyway, the Victoria spinoff, which I'm surprised Dan Schneider is still producing stuff if he's even involved. You know, that guy's ah the foot guy. Yeah.
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i think that's putting it lightly. um Victoria's spinoff characters have been revealed. Gen z like Jen, like Jennifer.
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Quest with a QW.
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Emmy. Pepper. And Oscar, who looks just like, what was his name? Beck? Beck. Yeah. Yeah.
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Were you guys victorious people? i was. i liked victorious. Yeah, I did too. har I love victorious. It was so stupid. but it was like I think it was better than had any right being.
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I agree. The puppet guy was pretty creepy though. I think iCarly was really, at that point, all I kind of tuned in into. Oh, you were in Victoria's head?
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m It seemed like Victorious would have been up my alley. i think I think it would have been. If you liked Drake and Josh and if you liked iCarly, would have liked Victorious. Yeah. Makes sense.
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I mean, how could you have watched the iCarly-Victorious crossover if you hadn't seen Victorious? It's very true. That thing did numbers. I remember that did numbers. These names are really good.
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Gen Z is crazy. That is crazy. And then Emmy and Oscar. I like how Pepper's just not a pun.
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I think it's just got to be for like the love of the game for like Dr. Pepper. you think Quest will have a Quest? I hope so. His father's Quest love.
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Wait, really? i don't know. It seems like it's somewhere that
Film Review and Charity Themes
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they would go. That sounds fun. So that's some thrilling movie news. Do you guys want to talk about 28 years later, the Bone Temple?
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I do want to talk about 28 years later, the Bone Temple. Do you guys know what we share with the Bone Temple? No, I don't. know I'm not sure I want you to. I'm not. So why don't you go ahead and read our synopsis that show us for this movie?
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ah It's all up to the reader's imagination. 28 years later, The Bone Temple, 2026, directed by Nia DaCosta.
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Fear is the new faith. Dr. Kelson finds himself in a shocking new relationship with consequences that could change the world as they know it. Sounds like my last relationship. And Spike's encounter with Jimmy Crystal becomes a nightmare he can't escape.
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Starring Ray Fiennes, Jack O'Connell, Alfie Williams, Aaron Kellyman, ka Kai Chai Chi? I'm not sure. Kai Lewis-Perry, Emma Laird, Connor Newell, and Maura Bird, among others.
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with one other that we won't say. Not yet. Not yet. One day we will. One day. In this episode we will, just later on. Yep. Today. Today. Today that day. is 45 minutes. Let's quickly do our letterbox love like loathe and then talk about how we felt about the Bone Temple. Cool?
00:05:47
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Yep. Cool. All right. All right. I think Alex has our five star today. I do have our five star today. And that five star comes by Faith Alice. Never thought I'd say I'm actively against charity. it Yeah.
00:06:03
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Yes. Charity is a little different this time around. Yeah. I think it's cool. You know, a lot of people are saying that we could incorporate that into regular charity.
00:06:18
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I've been seeing discussions. Where? but kind of move I think I want to avoid these discussions. I'm having these discussions with the voices in my head.
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They're really loud. It sounds like the Jimmies. My three and a half star comes in from Jay. Nothing good has ever happened between Jack O'Connell and a barn.
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He's got a point. but Very good point. That was actually, um, we left the theater and I had the idea. i was like, someone probably already made it. I had the idea to create a letterbox list of like movies with a burning barn and Jack O'Connell.
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And it's just this and sinners. yeah I wonder if that, uh, IRA movie has a burning barn in it. 71. That would be crazy. I feel like it could, if it does, I will make the list.
00:07:08
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That's like my that like my favorite letterbox list that I made where it's ah movies where Mikey Madison gets set on fire. And it's Scream and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
00:07:19
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I'm glad Enora's not in that one. I thought Enora might have made it. And maybe that's why I hate the movie so much because it it didn't give me that. Well, prepare yourself for The Mask of the Red Death. What is that?
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It's like the next movie she's going to be in. I thought her next movie was going to be the the social reckoning, the social network. Oh, that might be her like next movie coming out, but she is filming the Mask of the Red Death.
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but There's movie news that I don't think we've talked about. Oh, what
"Mask of the Red Death" and Edgar Allan Poe
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is that? mike Mikey Matt. Isn't it like the Edgar Allen Poe story? You know? You guys don't know it with no all like the royal people and there's the plague outside and they're hiding inside.
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think I just know the Raven, if that's what it's called. Yeah, Mask of the Red Death. that I mean, am I losing my mind here, people? I grew up in Mississippi. i don't know what else to tell you. It's not the greatest ah not the greatest place to get educated.
00:08:11
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Yeah, Mask of the Red Death by Edgar Allan Poe. An 1842 short story. Is that coming out this year? I think next year, but like the cast is being announced and she's starring in it.
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I will be seated. i like I'm a Mikey Stan. Incorrect. ah you You're an idiot. Here's our one star from user survived.
00:08:38
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Pointless and unnecessary. This pretty much sums up the sequel. I absolutely loved the first film for focusing less on action and more on human connection and emotional weight. This one does deliver on the gore and there are some theatrical moments that look super cool, but the entire film feels like filler.
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How is that a one star if there's stuff that delivered?
00:08:59
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I don't know. Also, this has plenty of non-action. Plenty of it. It's almost entirely non-action. He has, this is a, it's a long review. and Let me see. Let me just quickly see if he has anything.
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And then ah it just meanders without any strong purpose. At times it even veers straight into torture porn. Honestly, if this part didn't exist and the story jumped straight to the next film, I wouldn't mind at all. That's how unnecessary the sequel feels. Disappointing for sure. But I guess we'll see what they do with the third film.
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And it has 49 likes.
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Interesting. To say the least. Do we want to reveal our Letterboxd scores before we get into the movie or save it for after?
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I don't know if I have mine yet. Whoa, it's been like two weeks. It has. know, but... i know but I think I just like to get additional feedback outside of my head. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Or maybe even just voicing my own opinions might help sway me one way or another.
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I like that. Yeah. I get that. It gives the show character. Yeah. We should start doing that. Yeah. yeah But sometimes you just know, right? You just leave the theory. You're like, oh. Sometimes you just know with this one. True.
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All right. here's Here's a spoiler for me. I would say this movie was worth DaCosta admission.
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Get it. Get it because it was directed by Ned DaCosta. I feel like that's racist somehow. I'm black too. ah I can say whatever I want. I can say it. Anyway. All right. Where do we start with this movie?
00:10:48
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Excitement level. Through the roof. Through the roof. yep We were all stoked. I think we all really loved 28 Years Later. We haven't talked about our top 10 of last year. Spoiler, it was my number one.
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um oh
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This was announced very shortly after, and I think it was like six, seven months. That was not on purpose. I don't believe you. But I swear to God, put your hands down.
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Wasn't it literally like 28 weeks? the there was in some There was some point pretty soon where it was like 28 weeks away. Something like that. um And I was stoked. We were all stoked that this movie was coming out so soon.
00:11:32
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I was scared because it was ah it was releasing in January, but I had i had faith. Were you nervous about the different director? I was nervous about the different directors. So Nia DaCosta, for those who aren't familiar with her work, um she hasn't done much.
00:11:48
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She's got a few under her belt, a few big ones. she Her first movie, what is this? and This one might be a short film. She has something called Little Woods, which I haven't seen. Hedda, which also came out this year, which is on my list. She did the Candyman remake and most famously, The Marvels.
00:12:06
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Yes. And I think
Expectations for "28 Years Later: The Bone Temple"
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she's talked about not a great experience working with Marvel and can't imagine why and that and that whole thing so I mean at this point the MCU just has to be like there's like a director attached to it and I don't think they do actually anything it's just it's just a name they have like a formula they need to follow and they just hit play I think that's basically like her experience Chloe Zhao talks about similar experiences working on Eternals so So I don't blame her for that, but I mean... and After Thor, Love, and Thunder, they're like, we are not letting anybody yeah go outside the formula again.
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yeah So I guess I was worried because I don't have a lot of stock in Nia DaCosta. Right. What about you guys? How did you feel about a different director being attached to it? Same writer. Alex Garland has written both scripts, but...
00:12:59
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I was apprehensive. Nothing against Nia. I'm just a big Danny Boyle guy, which I made very apparent in the last 28 episode. So i ah yeah I was curious to see how she would do.
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um But I knew that the flair of the first would most likely not be there. And that was one of my favorite things about it. So. hmm. Yeah, i was ah I was expecting a pretty significant tonal shift um for better for worse.
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I guess it would be difficult if it was for better, but... um No, going into it, I was nervous as well, but I still held on to the hope that Nia could deliver.
00:13:44
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Yeah. And spoiler alert, I think she did. I think she did too. I think she did bring something different to the table. um Some parts that ill I'll want to talk about is I do miss...
00:13:58
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some of that visual flair of Danny Boyle in this one. But at the same time, I kind of see where we're going in the, or where we went in the bone temple and I'm not mad at it.
00:14:10
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Right. and And we'll get to it. But the third act I think was pretty, pretty sick. Yeah. But we'll get there. um I also wanted to bring up the cinematographer for the Bone Temple, Sean Bobbitt.
00:14:24
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He has shot The Marbles, Judas and the Black Messiah, the Old Boy remake, which don't think was good, and The Place Beyond the Pines. oh
Jimmy Crystal and the Jimmies
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Yeah, same cinematography, so I thought that was cool. So this guy's got a pretty good catalog behind him.
00:14:42
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Half of those movies you listed were like not good. Yeah. there's there's a There's a lot of other ones. He's got 12 Years a Slave. um The Old Boy remake, yeah, not good. ah I don't know. The Place Beyond the Pints, I guess, is doing a lot of heavy lifting. but That movie is gorgeous. It's incredible. Yeah.
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All right. Where do we start? Who do we start talking about? I don't even know. i don't know where to begin. Let's start with... You guys want to start with Spike? Spike.
00:15:12
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was going to start with the opening scene. Yeah, let's do that. ah Picks up almost probably like 20 minutes after the first one ends. And it's ah it's pretty tense, to put it lightly.
00:15:28
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So 28 years later, the one last year ended. With the strange scene of the Power Rangers, of like the Power Rangers, blonde hair, Jimmy k Crystal flipping through the woods, taking our boy, Alfie Williams.
00:15:45
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And people either loved it or they hated it they were like, this last 10 seconds ruined the entire movie for me, or it made it. um And yeah, like Alex was saying, it picks up pretty soon after we have that introduction.
00:15:58
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And I think most people's excitement level going into this was Jack O'Connell's portrayal as Sir Jimmy Crystal and his gang of Jimmies and see what their whole deal is. And yeah, we get pretty familiar with with their vibe.
00:16:14
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Mm-hmm. The vibes weren't good, people. The vibes were not good. Oh, God, that scene so tense. And it's just so drawn out, too. Surprisingly. It's, and, you know, Jimmy and Jimmy and Jimmy and Jimmy are all just there. They're all doing Jimmy things in a Jimmy way. and Don't forget Jemima.
00:16:33
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I thought it was like Jemina or Jemima. jim i think jim it's spelled like Jemima. So I think Aunt Jemima, but I think Jemima. I think there's Jemima. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:44
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I'm going to say Jemima. And it's already darker than the end of the first movie. Like the, uh, the costumes are darker. They're in this dark, like, uh, empty,
00:16:56
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dilapidated like gym or pool or it's like a water park. yeah some Yeah. Something like that. That's just a British water park. I mean, it was like, that's just what they look like. Yeah. Just a ah stark contrast to how we were first introduced to the Jimmy's. Yeah.
00:17:15
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And it feels like, so I was most excited to see Jack O'Connell's performance in this. like I loved him in Sinners. i don't know much about his like ah past filmography or anything like that, but the little bit that we got from him from 20 years later, I was really excited and looking forward to his performance in this one.
00:17:33
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And yeah, right off the bat, you just see the, um don't even know if charismatic is like the right word because he's just like a lunatic controlling these jimmies and i don't know.
00:17:48
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It's just like a flippant like oh fight to the death. Go ahead. and Yeah. Yeah. So the yeah, the fight until the death for a spike to spike will either die or become a Jimmy fight to the he's got to kill one of them.
00:18:01
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gonna be honest I was like, there's no way he dies yeah right now. But didn't I didn't see a way out of it for a second there. It genuinely would have been the biggest swing I think a movie's taken if they killed Spike.
00:18:16
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That would be insane. It would have been... i would have stood up and clapped. it would have been electric. would have been crazy. man. Is there anything that's happened like that before?
00:18:28
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There's gotta be.
00:18:31
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drew Barrymore at the beginning scream yeah I actually kind of yeah in a more like marketing pop culture way John Bernthal and baby driver yeah he doesn't die he just never shows back up uh I was gonna say one but it was um stomp the yard
00:18:57
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No spoilers. And I forgot I can't spoil it. Now I know something horrible is about to happen, but it's fine. It's just not the art. All right, Spike. They're going to goon. Yeah, Spike ends. What?
00:19:12
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They're the goons. That's their name in the movie. Oh, that's right. That's the goons. They're gooning. Come on. I forgot. forgot that that was actually their name. I forgot. I forgot. Stomp the Yardheads are not on this podcast.
00:19:28
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I haven't even seen the movie and I knew it was the goons. Spike wins. Right. Stabs him in like like an artery in the leg. And that looked painful. Yeah. And it's like, I mean, this is the first scene, so it's like, this doesn't really spoil anything, but if you really don't want to like, you really want to go in blind, then sure, go and, I mean, turn off the episode, but I guess mute it and leave it running so we get engagement. But, um...
Humor and Realism of Bleeding Out
00:19:57
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Yeah, and he just like, it takes a while for him to bleed out. It was uncomfortable. It was uncomfortable how long it took him to bleed out. That's how it is, though. Have you guys ever seen someone bleed out?
00:20:10
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No. Can't say I have. yeah Oh, yeah. Me neither. Yeah, I have. This dude is talking about eating his roommate before we started recording. Who do you think bled out?
00:20:23
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You're going to jail for a long time, buddy. He's going to listen to this episode. and This isn't even top ten of the charges. I'm kidding. That's true. Cannibalism doesn't make the top ten. Yeah, I don't think will.
00:20:35
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That's crazy. going to have a top ten charges for him by the end of the year. i promise I'm like actually like a pretty normal person.
00:20:44
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are If the fans ever met me in real life, they'd be like, oh, he's actually like kind of quiet. Not normal. Maybe not a cannibal. Possibly not a cannibal.
00:20:57
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ah Sir Jimmy Crystal does a little move here whenever other Jimmy's dead where he kind of catches his soul and lets it go. That was sick. Aura. Yeah. Literally, or alarming the entire movie, like it was sick, but it was also like hilarious. Yeah. Do you guys feel like this movie was like bloody?
00:21:15
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Like as far as gore goes, does it reach your gore level? It felt pretty tame to me personally. Yeah, I feel like I've seen a lot of people talk about like how gory it is, but i I agree with you. I felt like it was overall tame.
00:21:28
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Outside of the barn. Yeah. I think it was overall like not super gory, but when it was gory, it was really gory. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Like, it reserved its punches so they would hit harder when they were thrown. Yeah, for sure.
00:21:49
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ah Let's get the conversation going with the Jimmies. So we're with them. This movie split pretty much half and half between the Jimmies and Ralph Fiennes character. um So we'll get we'll get to the Jimmies first. But shortly after this water park scene, the Jimmies end up at some house at some point.
00:22:09
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Is that pretty soon after the water park or am I missing a couple? i think, I think we see our first Dr. Kelson Samson interaction between house and water park. Yeah. It's probably like 20 minutes in between. Okay. but yeah But before we dive into that scene and that whole thing, what were your expectations of the Jimmy's coming into this movie? Because,
00:22:32
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I remember when we talked about 28 years later, part one, we did a little bit at the end talking about Jimmy Savile and like potential influences that he could have had on Sir Jimmy Crystal. And then, you know, by extension, the rest of the Jimmy's. Yeah.
00:22:52
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It's like, what were you thinking that Jimmy Crystal was going to be like before coming into the movie? I think for me, I, it just like based off of our last conversation, it felt like our introduction to Jimmy was just this to all the Jimmys was just this group of people who were basically like stunted at some point, like in their childhood.
00:23:19
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And it was kind of like their way of being and the way that they dress and the blonde hair and everything like that was kind of just a, uh,
00:23:31
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just kind of like fighting everything else that was going on in the UK, like fighting the virus and having it be like almost like polar opposite and them kind of taking charge in like their own faith and their own way of wanting to live life. And so, i mean, I knew it was just going to be like deranged, like,
00:23:47
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obviously not well adjusted. i didn't think the true Jimmy so Seville would have any like actual impact, like the, uh, everything that kind of went wrong in like the real world with him after.
00:24:03
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Cause I think that at some point in the UK, they would have just like known Jimmy Seville as whoever, as like the guy that everybody loved. So I think it was just going to be a look. I don't think any of like the evil stuff that he did was going to be,
00:24:16
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Well, he died in 2011, so they actually would never have known. they would that's almost Yeah, they would have never have known. So it was just yeah they purely aesthetic. They never would have known that Jimmy Savile was Jimmy Savile. Yeah.
00:24:32
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Although, I will say that I listened to a podcast the day we saw the Bone Temple about Jimmy Savile, and like people do. this it was The story's worse than you think.
00:24:46
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But there was, like, enough people that knew to the point that ah Johnny Rotten in the Sex Pistols um made, like, this statement that the BBC edited out of, like, an interview where he was like, Jimmy Savile is a pedophile, basically.
00:25:01
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And then they removed it from the interview, and he went on, like, a radio show and, like, doubled down again and went even, like, farther into it. And... Uh...
00:25:12
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then all these people got mad at him because they're like oh, he's just being like a stupid punk rocker. And then so when all the allegations came out, he did like this victory lap. Not like a dancing, you know, happy that it happened. But like, I told you, you cretins, like. Yeah.
00:25:28
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As a TLDR, who is Jimmy Savile? and And why is he Why is he had that reputation? So Jimmy Savile, for those who don't remember or don't know because you joined the show late, but welcome. We love you. ah Jimmy Savile was a very famous British ah radio host, TV personality. He's a lot. I feel like a good comparison. I don't remember who he made a comparison to in the original episode, but I feel like one would be like Howard Stern.
00:26:00
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I think that's what we said, but a little bit more well liked in the fact that he did like a lot of very public charity work, whereas Howard Stern's just kind of like a knob. um Sorry, Howard, but.
00:26:15
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Like he was very much in the public eye for a lot of things. And charity was one of them. Like he a lot of charity work at like children's hospitals and with like kids and things like that.
00:26:26
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ah But it turns out he is a extremely prolific ah sex offender. And among other things, believe it or not.
00:26:37
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And he i mean, just hundreds and hundreds of people that he allegedly abused ah children, adults, ah old people. i think the in the podcast they said it ranged from like 11 or 7 to 75 or something.
00:26:56
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His victims ages ranged. Ranged. Um, he even allegedly, ah yeah, I'm not going to say that actually, cause it's too gross. Uh,
00:27:08
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But, and this all basically came out after his death. Like, he never was punished for this in his life, despite accusations being thrown around multiple times throughout his life. ah Really creepy guy. Like, I mean, maybe it's like hindsight's 20-20, but there's there was a couple interviews with him where, like, he just, he says stuff, and it's just like, dude, this guy is sick.
00:27:31
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ah you Like, this is a strange individual. um But it was one of those, like, secrets that was open but kept close to the chest. Like, people made accusations and others quelled them.
00:27:45
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And they never really entered the public light except for, like, once or twice while he was alive. And, of course, he emphatically denied them. But um a lot of people think that, like, the BBC had a hand in covering it up.
00:27:58
Speaker
And so that leads into, like, a larger conspiracy theory of, you know, like, Epstein-type stuff. But, yeah. Jimmy Savile... towards Jimmy Crystal would have been this television personality who did a lot of good stuff and was very, you know, around families and children.
00:28:17
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Yeah. So I think like purely aesthetic for like a looks perspective and then him taking his own version of charity, kind of twisting it. It's, it's the aesthetic of Jimmy Savile with like the betrayal of like religion and faith that kind of gives us Sir Jimmy Crystal.
00:28:37
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Yeah, Jimmy Savile had a weird relationship with religion as well. I'm trying to remember. What was your guys as um but was your question, Alex? looks like you're like what What did you expect? What did you think they were going to be like?
00:28:51
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Tachi, do you want to go? or Yeah, as as far as the other jimmies go, it kind of lined up with my expectations of just a group of younger people ranging from teens early 20s just basically being lost souls following this really charismatic evil guy. And yeah, that's basically what they were as like a broad stroke.
00:29:18
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I think that, like I knew they were going to be deranged, obviously. I think that like pop culture of their childhood work was going to play a larger role in their actions than it ended up, had it ended up doing.
00:29:35
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And I thought that Sir Jimmy Crystal is going to be a little bit more like charismatic. um And like a little less overtly deranged.
00:29:48
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Than he was. Like I thought it was going to be. like what like Like a slow crawl. Into his madness. But it's basically just immediately. Like this guy's whacked. um But.
00:30:02
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You know. So that's what I had expected going in. It was actually kind of nice. To see that. As events started unfolding for their group, you start to see him kind of scramble and squirm to, I don't know, I guess, continue his stranglehold over the other Jimmys and like find a way to keep convincing them that he's like this
00:30:33
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I don't know, just, just remain the leader without worrying about some sort of uprising. Yeah. for me Yeah. i I totally agree with you. I really liked and appreciated that aspect of it that, yeah, it's pretty quick where we see where he doesn't really have like a, this stronghold on the group, at least like mentally. And he's always having to like, like,
00:30:59
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fight and take like the first next step in order to keep the group together and you can see just these like these holes and these like insecurities that he has just kind of come to light with with a few things that that we'll see but i really did appreciate that part of his character i think I agree with you, Alex, where it would have been great to kind of see like a slow descent into madness that if he was like the super charismatic guy and it was and it kind of went that route. But the fact that we were just seeing like the insecurities in himself kind of made up for that. And I liked where overall where the character went.
00:31:39
Speaker
Agreed. What does he say? What's his ah his catchphrase? How's that? How's that? How's that? How's that? How's that? Anytime I need a lock in, I've been doing the little hitting this pose.
00:31:54
Speaker
Hey, what do you want for dinner tonight?
00:31:58
Speaker
Chicken. How's that? How's that? How's that?
00:32:05
Speaker
Oh, man. So do we want to jump around like the movie did between the two stories? Or do we just want to stick with the one crew and then finish up? down to jump around. Okay. I think we have to start talking about Kelson. Pack up. Pack it in. Let me begin. Yeah.
00:32:22
Speaker
Jump around. Ray Fiennes is, no surprise, excellent in this movie. He was excellent in the last one.
00:32:33
Speaker
He made me cry. And this one was no different.
Dr. Kelson and Samson in "The Bone Temple"
00:32:38
Speaker
Excellent almost feels like an understatement. It really does. It's like a top five role of his career. it's such He's such an interesting character, Dr. Kelson. And there's so much heart behind him.
00:32:51
Speaker
And there's this like love and compassion behind his eyes, but also this like sadness and this loneliness. And I think we see a lot of that loneliness in this movie and kind of how he copes with that and what he wants to be in this weird, messed up world. And he just absolutely delivers.
00:33:14
Speaker
some of it feels like he's almost combating how caring he is and trying to remain objective with what he's trying to accomplish with his like mausoleum of bones. And i don't know. I don't know if I could find that delicate balance of treating all of these dead people with such intimate care and, and just kind of remaining sane as, as best as he could.
00:33:43
Speaker
because he just seems like such a kind hearted person and doing that is, i guess, doing what he was doing as that sort of person just seems beyond, I think what I could probably personally handle.
00:33:59
Speaker
so that was, that was interesting. I would love to see, i mean, i don't think we ever will, but
00:34:09
Speaker
to jump ahead just a little bit, it was interesting hearing them kind of talk about the before world because you kind of forget Like he brought up like computers and and all this other stuff. And I'm just like, like it kind of like took me back for a second. I was like, oh shit, like that's right.
00:34:26
Speaker
Like seeing his bunker. Yeah. And he's like, he's older. So he he can kind of remember, but he's starting he's starting to lose it. um But pretty early on, we see him start to form this relationship with Samson.
00:34:41
Speaker
The Alpha. The Alpha. Yeah. a hog master himself truly is it confirmed or not that it was um makeup or it is prosthetic yeah i thought i sent you guys this tiktok but um so chi lewis paris chi lewis was there a question that it was that big like in real life you don't need anything Just come on out. There's an interview clip with Ray Fiennes and Chee Louis Perry.
00:35:14
Speaker
And he was saying, he's he's like, I did keep the prosthetic. And then the camera pans over to Ray Fiennes and he's just like, I wanted that.
00:35:25
Speaker
More like Dr. Freaks.
00:35:28
Speaker
He, I mean, yeah like, that thing was huge in the first Like it was way smaller in this one. That's what thought. thought I was going crazy. It was way smaller. It was still like, like an arm.
00:35:48
Speaker
But I think that's kind of the point when we get, once it advances a little bit, i have, i have a thought there. Oh, I see what you mean.
00:35:58
Speaker
the Malik penis theory. Can't wait for you to articulate that. and Don't let me forget. oh No, i just just but talk about it right now. no you can't You can't leave this hanging. I will leave it can't leave it hanging. You can
00:36:17
Speaker
it hanging. I What does he say? He says something to Samson like he where... He's just talking to him like once he's kind of drugged out. yeah And he's just wondering like what he sees.
00:36:30
Speaker
He's like, I've seen you guys like kill babies and children and they don't pose any threat. So it's like... What do you see when you attack someone? Yeah, just like the way he talks to him is so intimate.
00:36:43
Speaker
And like, i I didn't feel scared, like being around Samson. Like in the first movie, dude was terrifying. yep But like in the presence of Dr. Kelson, it he just feels like such a nurturer that it like put me at ease.
00:36:57
Speaker
And then thankfully, the movie's also pretty funny. For sure. A lot funnier than the last one. And sometimes like I hate when like they kind of overplay humor in these types of horror movies. But I think for this, it surprisingly works very well and and fits very well into the overall narrative.
00:37:15
Speaker
i agree.
00:37:19
Speaker
Because it's silly what he's doing. like this drug kind of childlike, uh, or, or maybe child friendly approach to understanding. like It's a, it's like a very innocent way of looking at the world. Yeah. And like you were saying, it's like, how do you look at this world with those eyes and then being able to see it? It's just funny to see this orange man with a drugged out alpha basically just dancing together and building a relationship.
00:37:51
Speaker
I saw that at a Trump rally one time. Hmm? Orange man dancing with a drugged out person. You that happened at a Trump rally, right? You know what? I saw it in the news Good job.
00:38:04
Speaker
Come on, that was pretty good. That was good. 10 out of 10 for me on that one. A lot of people are saying. Shut Earlier in the episode, you said a normal phrase, but you started it with a lot of people.
00:38:17
Speaker
And I'm like, you can't say a lot of people without my brain immediately going there.
00:38:24
Speaker
I'm actually impressed that I got like a normal, lot of people. it was shocking. Like out without going a lot of people. because just You'll say it and then it takes over. yeah Because that like that phrase has become like my baseline to do the impression. Yeah. Where it's like, that's how I get into it. It wakes you like a sleeper agent. Yeah. It's like, those are the words I say to like launch into it and like calibrate everything. You're good. So to so to do like a normal, a lot of people, like it's actually like hard.
00:39:00
Speaker
There have been times at like work where I'll say like a lot of people and I'll be like, Like, wait, the hands are coming out. i cant Because the problem is like not the sidebar everything like people IRL love when I do the impression. Yeah, like it is like my party trick.
00:39:19
Speaker
People go bananas for it. People go alpha mode for it. I'll do it at a party and people will strip naked and beat things to death. Like it's crazy. You're just weird stuff.
00:39:35
Speaker
I'm worried for your overall well-being. where yeah Yeah, me too. I think we're approaching his top five crimes. We're going to make that list up real quick.
00:39:46
Speaker
Everybody drop in the comments what you think my top five crimes
00:39:51
Speaker
Let you know at the end of the year if you're right.
00:39:56
Speaker
Once we reach a thousand subscribers, he'll do the top three crimes again. We'll be interrogated about the police later. the signs weren't there at all. But the site was. o Where are we going next?
00:40:11
Speaker
There was a moment with the alpha that was still terrifying. Which one? The first scene where you can kind of see him through the grass. Oh, right. And he's like, stay like, takes a bit to notice him. Oh, so good. It felt like seeing like a wild animal, like in real life. like It was. Like, i've I've seen a grizzly bear before. It's like across the river. You kind of really had to like look to find it.
00:40:39
Speaker
but When you saw it was like, couldn't miss it. What was scarier, that moment or when he's standing at the top of the hill in the last movie? Oh, the hill is such a good shot.
00:40:50
Speaker
The hill is a really good shot. It's very like attack on Titan core. Yeah, it really is. Especially with all the other ones going nuts. But I don't know. I think... um but i don't know i think That one's like, I think the for the the hill shot is more like traditionally like ominous. Whereas the second one, like the in the grass shot, it's like a more like primal, like truly like trying to tame a wild animal.
00:41:20
Speaker
like ah Like a chimpanzee in a shirt that knows sign language. Mm-hmm. Yeah, trying to tame that. gotcha and And I think that's like the, I think those are the two distinct points, I think, in visual language between these two movies.
00:41:36
Speaker
I think 28 Years Later is very chaotic and like just messy, which I loved. And then this one is missing all of that, but it's very intimate.
00:41:50
Speaker
and And it feels very personal. For sure. Which I appreciated.
00:41:57
Speaker
He's drugging up this boy. And he wants to cure him. He thinks he can cure him.
00:42:05
Speaker
Should we start talking about that? Is this where
00:42:10
Speaker
ah hear the penis theory? yes. Yeah. It's not even really a theory. Well, is it based on truth? Or facts?
00:42:21
Speaker
Okay. let's let Let's talk about Dr. Kelson's road to recovery for Samson. Okay. He starts getting all these drugs together, wanting to give him a cure.
00:42:33
Speaker
And they're sitting under the stars. He's running out of morphine, and he's having this conversation with sampson Samson. Samson's just, the whole time, like, they're just listening to music and then kind of just sitting in the grass, zoned out.
00:42:47
Speaker
Hold on. I guess we should explain, or should we explain how they even have these intimate conversations? Oh, he said he drugs him. Oh, okay. Yeah, the morphine shots. With the dart gun. With the dart gun, yeah. And so he's running out of morphine, but he's starting in the background to try to put something together because he thinks that it's more, that this virus is more of like a cloud over the brain and is wondering if that cloud could be lifted.
00:43:13
Speaker
Could that be some type of cure? And he wants to give Samson this shot and he's asking for, like he's wishing that he could give his consent. Just even that, like him wishing that he could get consent from him is, it just shows so much about like his own humanity. And he's like, if you could just say a word and then electric scene. Yeah.
00:43:37
Speaker
Samson looks up in the sky and he goes, Moon. lord Oh my God. You hear the gasps in the theater. Yeah. Everyone was like, Oh, the air just like left.
00:43:50
Speaker
It's beautiful. oh it was beautiful. He spoke.
00:43:57
Speaker
So he's approaching humanity. He speaks. He speaks. I noticed as he's approaching humanity, he covers up. Right.
00:44:08
Speaker
He covers up. It's a little skirt. It's a little skirt. And it just felt very, uh, resemblance of like Adam and Eve.
00:44:20
Speaker
Once she takes the bite of the apple, and they realize they're living in sin. They realize they're naked. They cover their body. But not that Samson would be like living in sin. It feels like it's like the opposite, like coming back to a humanity, but still knowing what you are to cover yourself up.
00:44:38
Speaker
Yeah, it didn't feel like it was based out of shame. it feels yeah it was more like leveling up, I guess. Yeah. A return to normalcy. Yeah, that's kind of that's kind of what I noticed.
00:44:50
Speaker
i was like I was like, smaller hog, and he covered it. Yeah.
00:44:59
Speaker
You're welcome.
00:45:03
Speaker
Wait, so that was that was a theory? Yeah. okay like That's what I'm saying. It wasn't even a theory. of just something I noticed. this You can notice things and turn it into a theory. That's like all of science.
00:45:15
Speaker
Sure, i'll I'll create some type of... I don't know. We need an outline of your entire a scientific method. Yeah, around the penis theory. yeah A science fair board, like the tri-poster board.
00:45:30
Speaker
Hog right in the middle. If you look at the size from the first one compared to the bone temple.
00:45:39
Speaker
How big do you think the hog's going to be in the third part? It's gone.
00:45:44
Speaker
I think it's completely gone. It inverts into him. Yeah. ah What do you guys think of Samson's journey? I loved it. It was beautiful. I think one of my favorite shots in the film, I think it happens a little bit after he puts on the skirt.
00:45:59
Speaker
is that he dirties his hands, not with the flesh of other zombies, but with the the juices of a berry. And then he wipes the excess juices on his little skirt thing. yeah And I just, I don't know why I loved it so much, but that was really beautiful to me.
00:46:17
Speaker
I think that, I mean, it's I feel like it's hard to remember in these movies that it is just a virus and viruses can be cured. So to see someone in like a zombie movie actually take steps to like try and like fix it and not just like shoot to kill is pretty refreshing. And then that could actually come to like a little bit of her fruition.
00:46:41
Speaker
Like, oh, there is hope. you know we can come down from this... you know savagery and return to a little bit of normalcy. yeah like If the Alpha can do it, then everybody else can. but you know Sadly, this discovery was made by an orange guy on the island and not like someone in the outside world. Also, where is like the rest of the world? like Is no one trying to like fix this? No. Isn't it crazy? The rest of the world is okay. It's justin just in the UK.
00:47:08
Speaker
I think that's hilarious. here's the Here's what I want to know, though. so like We know that it's like the British mainland. Yeah. What about Ireland? I think that entire like Delta is just off like off limits. Probably.
00:47:24
Speaker
but that was yeah and That was my understanding. i don't know. It's kind of it's close ish. I like I wouldn't risk it if I was the rest of the world. and I'd be like, we don't need to be in Ireland. we can We can forget about that place. Irish are like, o what are you leaving me here for? Nice.
00:47:46
Speaker
I'm not infected. I'm just Irish and angry. Infected. i wonder if that like what are like the Isle of Man or like Jersey or Guernsey?
00:47:58
Speaker
Forget about them. Like, but why? We got the rest of the world. Are they infected? That's what I want to know. Maybe they'll cover that in the third movie. What about the British Virgin Islands? Like, are they like the de facto government of the United Kingdom now?
00:48:14
Speaker
Is the BVIs in the Caribbean? Maybe they're far enough. Yeah. Yeah. Like, there's no way that like, oh, well, they're infected too. Imagine its it literally only infects like British people. like Like, it could be anywhere in the world. But like, if you're British, it will get in your blood and you're done. Yeah.
00:48:29
Speaker
One of those crazy Brits just bit me today. How you feel? um fine. Just annoying. little pissed. think my penis is growing. Well, that's good, I guess.
00:48:46
Speaker
It's like one of those gas station pills. A bite from a British guy. They had a British guy in the bra the back room. 30 bucks for a bite.
00:48:58
Speaker
If it goes longer than eight hours, call the doctor. Longer than 12 hours, you're getting deported to Britain.
00:49:09
Speaker
The train scene. think it's shortly after the Barry scene. I don't even want to like talk about this one just because i want people to like see it. It's just peak. Okay, yeah. just talk just How did it's howd you feel about it?
00:49:22
Speaker
I mean, this is the climax of the movie. Like it all culminates like one specific moment on that train.
00:49:31
Speaker
It's so crazy. i am very excited to see where else Samson goes. Me too. That's all I'll say.
00:49:43
Speaker
I do have a question. I can't even ask it without. it It was a peak scene. It was, it was wonderful. His, his literal awakening was so cool.
00:49:55
Speaker
Oh,
00:49:58
Speaker
Let's get back to the Jimmies. Let's go to the barn. The farmhouse.
Interactions Between Jimmy Crystal and Dr. Kelson
00:50:03
Speaker
Charity was just disgusting to watch. Yeah. I did not like Charity. let Let's not spoil Charity. it's a The barn scene's a tough watch.
00:50:14
Speaker
It really is. Jameema's freaky. I'm surprised they went like as far as they did. They almost went farther. Yeah.
00:50:26
Speaker
One word, D-glove. love e Bad. h Intense.
00:50:37
Speaker
Barnburn.
00:50:40
Speaker
Jack O'Connell guilty again. i thought... So when when they're in the house, I do have a problem with one of the, i guess, directions that were given.
00:50:52
Speaker
Instead of the pot of boiling water hitting at least one person, it was just kind of thrown on the table. I just feel like it should have been a little more direct of an attack.
00:51:04
Speaker
Oh, when they first like when the tussle first starts and then they get captured. Tachi, I want you to boil a pot of water and throw it in your living room and see how easy it is to aim.
00:51:15
Speaker
I mean, he was like right there. He could have just like dumped it on the Jimmy. Okay, I want Jack O'Connell and seven other deranged people to be in your living room, and I want you to try and aim a pot of water. I also want Jack O'Connell in my living room. Him walking in to throw him. Throws it the opposite way. Hitting one of these at the club before I go talk to somebody. Before you go to the back room to get a bite. Yeah.
00:51:46
Speaker
but no outside of the the pot dumping it was that was rough i feel so bad for those people because imagine going 28 years and this is how you go yeah oh my god that's crazy yeah are you guys okay with spike being kind of sidelined for this movie yeah me too yes okay he's kind of just hitting a o I don't want to do that. Shaking his head with disapproval so he knows that if everyone else knows he doesn't approve this. He's just in the back. not ah
00:52:21
Speaker
Not me. I don't support this. I felt really bad when he asked the one woman to take him with him to take him with her. I wanted her to and then she just nails him in the stomach and I'm like, I get it. you think that's going to come full circle?
00:52:36
Speaker
I think it will. We'll see her again. I think she's coming back.
00:52:41
Speaker
For sure. How's that? How's that? All right. The Jimmy, Dr. Kelson meetup. So, Jemima. Is it Jemima?
00:52:54
Speaker
No, it's... Or is it the other Jimmy? It's another Jimmy. That sees Kelson. It's our Jimmy Inc. Jimmy Inc. Jimmy Inc. Yes. So, Jimmy k Crystal's whole thing, we find out, is that he believes he is the son of Satan.
00:53:07
Speaker
Right. And he talks to him. And he can hear this voice loud and clear. Oh, Nick. How's that? how was that How's that? ah Jimmy Inc. sees Dr. Kelson from afar, looks very scary. We thought Dr. Kelson was scary 28 years later. We see an orange man living in a city of bones. yep She's like, yo, I think that's your dad.
00:53:31
Speaker
It's so, like, it's very convincing for them, but just also really funny to watch all of these interactions. And then Jimmy's first reaction is like, Huh? And they go see him. She's like, that's him right? And he's like, that's my dad. He's like, it seems pretty likely. Yeah. Connecting the dots. What does he say? He's like, oh I didn't know he had this castle. He's got other ones. He's got other ones too. In the Highlands. He's like, this one looks he's I think this one's pretty new.
00:54:01
Speaker
looks old. It's like five to ten years is new.
00:54:07
Speaker
Highlands. So he goes down to go talk to Dr. Kelson.
00:54:15
Speaker
Tense. Very. Undertones of terror and threats. On both sides. Yeah. He goes, are you old Nick?
00:54:29
Speaker
You mean Satan? Yeah. it's No. The relief on his face is hilarious.
00:54:41
Speaker
And these are the cracks that are starting to show like in his insecurities that I really that i really liked. sure So much so that he... makes Dr. Kelson and threatens him with like, all right, you're going to pretend to be who I need you to be for my group or we'll kill you.
00:54:59
Speaker
Or I'll make you eat your intestines. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get charity. How's that? How's that? How's that? I, yeah, I love their sit down talk. That was so fascinating to watch.
00:55:14
Speaker
Getting the history of each other. Yeah, that's when we kind of get the him remembering the old times and realizing how young Jimmy must have been when it happened.
00:55:25
Speaker
And he feels sympathy for him. And it's the first time that it feels like Jimmy's having a real conversation with someone. And even he admits it, like his guard is like almost immediately let down.
00:55:36
Speaker
He's like, I like you. He's like and i don't like a lot of people. And so he starts talking about his family, his parents, his sisters. Like immediately, like there's just something about Dr. Kelson that's just like, he just immediately opened up and like let his guard down very quickly.
00:55:52
Speaker
But he kind of has to put that wall back and he's like, charity, if you don't do this.
00:56:00
Speaker
Did it you don't do this, I'm going to donate, guys. Don't make me donate. Don't make me donate. I guess obviously we weren't expecting what Dr. Kelson actually did, but I guess were you expecting the meeting between the Jimmies and Dr. Kelson later that night, I guess, to go the way that it did?
00:56:22
Speaker
Not at all. I thought it would be a lot more chaotic.
00:56:27
Speaker
It pretty chaotic. well ah Outside of the performance. yeah chaotic in like like a violent way yeah yeah it was chaotic in a very different way yeah the poster of Dr. Kelson with the eye makeup like that shot in the trailer he's just like screaming I'm like I want to see that scene like what is he doing the context of it is so funny but so cool and so rewarding like the movie also peaks here definitely
00:57:02
Speaker
It was my favorite part. Great needle drops in this movie, by the way. We didn't even talk about it. had a radio head needle drop. I see some people like it, some people don't. People have said the song is overused. I'm like, it's been in three movies, like in recent memory, two of which I haven't even seen. Nothing beat the creator's needle drop. It was in the creator, and it was so good in the creator.
00:57:23
Speaker
Man, that movie had potential. Show did. um And then the main needle drop, the number of the beast. Yep. Hilarious. Could you imagine being these jimmies and seeing it? Like, it's very convincing.
00:57:36
Speaker
It is. Especially growing up in like a hellish world like they did. Yeah. They've probably never heard music before. Satan is supposed to be pretty charismatic too. So. Yeah.
00:57:49
Speaker
I loved his, ah let's dial it up to 11. Yeah. And then the montage. um Yeah. I just thought. I thought Samson was going to return sooner.
00:58:02
Speaker
and And I think that's why I thought it would be a little more chaotic.
Climactic Scenes and Unexpected Moments
00:58:05
Speaker
Like I thought he would come to rescue Kelson, but it turns out he didn't really need it.
00:58:13
Speaker
So. Yeah, that was neat.
00:58:18
Speaker
Yeah, I expected like Kelson. to like harness Samson in some way. Yeah, to show his power and they'd all get like scared and run away or something.
00:58:31
Speaker
And and ah the the final sequence with Jimmy Crystal and Kelson and kind of how... that goes with the cross yeah was awesome. one One of my favorite shots in the movie.
00:58:43
Speaker
Yeah. it's It's really sad the way Jimmy approaches Kelson and just is immediately like taking advantage of him, yeah of like what he needs to do. And you can see like the sadness in his face.
00:58:55
Speaker
And as soon as Kelson meets eyes with Spike and realizes it's it's him, oh, my heart broke. Me too. Immediately broke. But then Kelson comes back and he's like, one more thing.
00:59:07
Speaker
ah Yeah, yeah. And the the joy in the other Jimmy's face, especially Jimmy Inc, who's already kind of questioning like the I guess Jimmy k Crystal's like how legit he is. Yeah, his validity.
00:59:22
Speaker
It's funny, her questioning his validity, but also still like believing the overall message of everything. say It's just like, she's like, she's just questioning like the deliverer, not that this guy's actually like Saint Nick.
00:59:36
Speaker
Like I think that's still funny. She's like, oh no, I still believe it. I just don't like that guy. That guy just sucks. I will crucify him. I'm gonna go to the next church over. Yeah. Um, yeah, good shot. Um, with the, uh, don't even know if we want to say it.
00:59:52
Speaker
No.
00:59:55
Speaker
Yeah, we'll leave that for the audience. Leave it for the audience. If you know, you know. Did you think that she would be such a scab though? Like to be so skeptical? Like, I guess.
01:00:09
Speaker
I think it was surprising because she kind of looked like acted that way the whole movie, but had clearly been with Jimmy Crystal long enough to get like facial scars and, you know, which looked pretty sick. I kind of wanted some, not the upside down cross, but like, you know, a cool.
01:00:26
Speaker
You can do it yourself. I'll do it for you actually. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It'll work. Yeah.
01:00:38
Speaker
When I was a little kid, I really wanted facial scars. I thought it look hard. I did too. i know did. Like I wanted like something um to happen where I had like a cool scar, like something like running across the eye.
01:00:51
Speaker
I have one on my lip. Like a... What'd you do? Well, I got punched in the face. My lip split. Like on purpose? You got a tussle?
01:01:05
Speaker
Hands up. How's that? How's that? How's that? Story for another day. Okay. um I mean, yeah, we're not going to say what happens in the very end.
01:01:20
Speaker
I don't know what to do. We think you should go watch the movie if you've listened all of this and haven't yet. Yeah. What didn't work for you guys?
01:01:32
Speaker
ah I missed...
Styles and Tones: "28 Years Later" vs. "The Bone Temple"
01:01:38
Speaker
I missed the chaotic feeling of the first movie. I did too.
01:01:44
Speaker
i I understand
01:01:49
Speaker
the feeling and the overall tone of where we are going for the Bone Temple and like Nia DaCosta's visual language in this. I get what we're doing, but the visual style of the first 28 years later was just electric.
01:02:05
Speaker
And are you referring to like the first act with Aaron Taylor Johnson or how it's kind of a little more just chaotic in general? The first act for sure. But I think the overall movie just has a different like vibe to it.
01:02:18
Speaker
Got it. It's almost like a like it feels like a very two thousands movie. Like that early two thousands. Yeah. Just crazy. Like,
01:02:31
Speaker
don't even know how to describe it I get what you mean. But it feels like a Moby song. Yeah. And that's like the first half of the movie. And then we get the like the bridge sequence like with and then Dr. Kelson and the mom and then I'm crying. And just that overall, just all of that was just chef's kiss. Yeah, that's fair. And this movie was was missing that for me.
01:02:54
Speaker
The movie for me overall does feel like a, ah I saw someone point out that it feels more like a 1.5 than a two. I'm okay with. It's, if, it's I don't know, it's like, um it's kind of middling for me.
01:03:07
Speaker
It feels like a two for me because there are clear beginnings and ends to certain characters that tie in to the first 28 years later, so.
01:03:22
Speaker
I don't know, it felt like a natural second step to me. But I do understand the stress of the first movie was definitely a lot higher.
01:03:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I also, one of the things I really miss, maybe it kind of adds to the Danny Boyle flair, I miss the Young Fathers soundtrack. Yeah. The soundtrack in the first one is crazy good. It's really good.
01:03:47
Speaker
While I do like the needle drops in this movie, it feels it's like over-relying on them. Yeah. In a bit, like it feels like a crutch. it it it It got me, but like I think at the end of the day, I can like take a step back and be like, all right,
01:04:04
Speaker
We could do a little something different. But I'm still on board. It didn't really have like an actual score. Yeah. i get Very little. Very little. Because all I remember are the needle drops and then the original 28 Days Later, the theme that we get at the very end.
01:04:21
Speaker
um Also, with the Jimmies, kind of going back to our earlier conversation, they... our first introduction to them is very wild.
01:04:35
Speaker
Like they're flipping, they're doing all this stuff and they felt toned down in this. Right. Kind of right off the bat. Like we get like the mental like craziness. We see like what they're about, but like I wanted more like movement wackiness and wackiness and energy because like that's, that's what I thought we were going to get. Right. And overall we didn't get that. There were a lot of them were kind of sidelined and just in the background.
01:04:58
Speaker
Um, So that I, I did think we got a lot more Kelson and Samson than I was expecting. I really thought it was going to be central or on the jimmys or centered around the Jimmy's. Yeah. Same.
01:05:15
Speaker
But it turns out Kelson and Samson were the best part of the movie. So that's okay. Agreed. Agreed.
01:05:22
Speaker
Anything else that didn't work?
01:05:27
Speaker
Maybe not didn't work. But maybe this is just like another it's one battle syndrome or the i idea I had my head. i clung on to it so much that I was a little disappointed by something that I imagined.
01:05:41
Speaker
I think the Jimmy where he's like a maybe less just overtly crazy and a little bit more like influenced like leans a little bit more on like the media influence because because they never do the Power Rangers thing again. It's like why did they do it in the first one. It's just such like a weird tonal shift. Yeah.
01:05:59
Speaker
And it was significant. Like we saw Spike in the beginning of 20 years later, like with this action figure and then he meets them and they're doing the thing. Yeah. Yeah. It feels like it should have been discussed between the two directors. If they knew it was going to be a different tone, maybe they should kind of work together on how to keep it consistent.
01:06:20
Speaker
Well, Danny Boyle produced the movies. Like, I don't know what, and it's same writer for both. So don't know what happened. It just shows like what, what different directors can do with similar scripts.
01:06:33
Speaker
Yeah. Who do you guys want for the third one? Do you guys want Danny Boyle on Danny? Yeah. Or would you want, would you want someone completely different, like a different director to give like their own flair?
01:06:47
Speaker
I think given the history of the whole franchise, i would want Danny. Yeah. I think, I think he may have a better idea of how to bring everything together. Cohesively.
01:06:59
Speaker
I'm so curious where where we're going to go for the next one. I don't know if the next one's been greenlit yet. do we have if It has been greenlit. I thought it was already announced. okay all right good good um Do we have any predictions?
01:07:13
Speaker
Of where it's going? Yeah, like who, what. I have no clue. I really don't know. There are things that happen with certain alphas that I don't know if that can spread.
01:07:28
Speaker
i have questions on if it'll even last. It'll be heartbreaking if it doesn't. Where's Spike's daddy? We also have a hybrid baby.
01:07:42
Speaker
oh yeah. Let's not forget about that. i don't know where we where we can go. But I'm in, obviously. You got stock in this. Hold it.
01:07:53
Speaker
yeah I can't wait. To the moon.
01:07:57
Speaker
you feel good on a rating now, Tachi? I think so.
01:08:03
Speaker
i'll go I can go first. Yeah, go I give this a four. Okay. I also give this a four. hes This is conversation to not sway either of you. I saw your scores beforehand.
01:08:16
Speaker
I felt, i felt, I feel solid to this. I really love this movie. Right. Four is high. Four is great. Four is high. Yeah. I prefer for the first 20 years later, obviously. This is still a great time and I love it.
01:08:30
Speaker
I will also give it a four. I think I gave a four to the first one as well. Okay. And I know right after the movie, I stated that I might like this one more.
01:08:41
Speaker
But I think I do like the first one more. I love the intensity. i love the stress. Yeah, it's very close. And I do love the personal touch that we got with these characters.
01:08:54
Speaker
But overall, the first one was just a lot more... It felt like more ah of a um ah movie movie, I think. Yeah. you know Do you know what i mean? i know what you mean. Like the movie experience. Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:07
Speaker
It is such, this is such an interesting franchise. Yeah. I love it. 28 weeks is the weakest one for sure. But like when I'm thinking back to like watching 28 days and to where we are now, I'm just like, I'm wowed.
01:09:21
Speaker
I'm glad you guys brought me into it. Thank you. Yeah. To end off the episode, let's talk about
Surprise Return of Killian Murphy's Character
01:09:27
Speaker
the... Can we at least talk about the last five minutes? Yeah. sure All right. Big spoilers if you're at the end of the episode for this last scene.
01:09:38
Speaker
Our boy's back. We see our boy. Killian Murphy. I didn't think we were going there. Me neither. Gotta be honest, I really didn't. It got me a surprise. Yeah.
01:09:49
Speaker
but He showed up and yeah, because you're like, you think about 28 days and you're like, that feels like a completely different world, but we're on the same island. Just years have passed. And he has a daughter.
01:10:01
Speaker
How's that? that? How's that? He has a daughter and he's teaching her. He's schooling her with quizzes and everything like that. He's her tests. He's giving her tests. And then we see Spike and Jimmy Inc.
01:10:14
Speaker
running away from infected towards the house. She goes, are we going help them? He says, of course we are. Then we get that that theme drops. so Such a good song. That shot of the hill is beautiful. It really was. That felt that shot of the hill felt like the first 28 years later. It felt like this sequence was like directed by Danny Boyle. You know?
01:10:36
Speaker
Of course, you know, there was the little post-credits scene, too, that Cillian Murphy will return Avengers Doomsday. I said, wait, what? That Samson's hog will return.
01:10:53
Speaker
pixelated. So adding that into the mix of where the next one's going to go, i still don't know. I'm surprised they got Cillian back. Me too.
01:11:03
Speaker
it you know It's all a dream and Killian wakes up in the hospital room from the first one. up. Still naked.
01:11:15
Speaker
Yeah, that was exciting. I really want to know his story and what's been happening for the last 20 years. But like yeah, soon as as soon as we were in that shot over the water and we saw the house, I was like, I know where we are. There's no way we're here.
01:11:32
Speaker
Yeah, that was really exciting. Wait, wait, so the daughter wasn't, wait, no, it was 28 years later. Nevermind. Yeah. Okay. So at some point. He just adopted this girl.
01:11:42
Speaker
No, I think the, cause he was with, I don't remember her name from the first one, but they were in the house together. The black girl. At some point they had a baby. Got it. That's right. Like that's like, that's his daughter. Right. Right. right Okay.
01:11:56
Speaker
So we don't know if the wife is around. Hmm. Well, that's yet to be seen, but I'm going to assume not. Me too. But he's got a, he's got a mixed ass baby.
01:12:06
Speaker
It's two hybrids.
01:12:13
Speaker
Lockjaw maxing. A man of your talent. That's what I do.
01:12:24
Speaker
Guys, I love this movie. and so i watched it again really I love the virus. I wish it was real. I wish the rage virus was real. Alright, we got his top five. His fifth crime.
01:12:37
Speaker
Wanting a rage virus? Do not open the vials in my basement. Would this be your guys' favorite Nia DaCosta movie?
01:12:50
Speaker
Yeah, it's the only movie I've seen she's directed. Yeah, between this and the Marvels, I think I gotta get this one. Would you guys say that this is worth the Costa admission? Oh my God. Get out.
01:13:01
Speaker
But yes. Sure. Thank you. You're welcome. Final closing thoughts on The Bone Temple. If you haven't seen it, please watch it.
01:13:13
Speaker
Just for the final act alone. ah feel like we say that about everything. We watch a lot of good movies. Did we say it about Primate? Did we tell people to go No, don't think we did. You don't have to watch Primate, but you should.
01:13:24
Speaker
Watch it with a group of friends. yeah We also didn't tell people to watch Act of Valor. They don't need to. Yeah, that one's okay. That one's alright.
01:13:36
Speaker
How's that? How's that? Next week, we... I believe we have... We're talking about some nominations that went out. I don't know what we're doing next week.
01:13:48
Speaker
Well, we're going to talk about that eventually. We will. If we survive. we Yeah, we want yeah we're talking we talked about the Bone Temple. The Oscar nominations did come out. You saw it. We'll discuss it soon. That warrants a whole episode, not just where we talked about the Golden Globes for five minutes. How's that?
01:14:04
Speaker
How's that? Have a good night.