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Lost In The Drama
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This week we're discussing the first of 3 Zendaya + Robert Pattinson movies this year, The Drama
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Late Night Recording and Movie Thoughts
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Lost in the Frame.
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I'm your host, Malik. I'm your host, Achi. I'm your host, Alex. It may not be After Hours when you're listening, but this is probably the latest we've ever recorded for a movie that we just watched.
00:00:34
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Not even an hour ago. Moments ago. Yeah, moments ago. This is breaking news. This is hot off the presses. We watched a movie. Extremely hot off the press. 10.21 p.m. The one time we almost did it.
00:00:46
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Alex, you really wanted to do it for this movie. It was Eddington. It was Eddington. But think both me and Todd were like, we need time. That would be crazy. We need some time. It was also really late when we got out Eddington. I think it was like 11 o'clock. And that was like a three hour movie.
00:01:00
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Yeah. Yeah. the movie we're talking about today is the drama and that's a cool 103 minutes, I think. Almost perfect. Yeah. pretty we Pretty much a perfect runtime. We've got some thoughts and feelings towards the new Robert Pattinson and Zendaya movie, the drama.
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But before we get into all the juicy tea, let's see what's going on in the movie world.
Bong Joon-ho's 'Ally': Speculations and Hopes
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First look at Bong Joon-ho's first ever animated feature film, Ally, was released today.
00:01:27
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Saw this on Discussing Film. Wanted to get you guys' his thoughts. Bong Joon-ho, hot off the press of Mickey 17, now doing an animated film. Is hot off the press what we can say about Mickey 17?
00:01:41
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For a movie that's a year old, of course. Yeah, but I wouldn't it was hot. It's Lukewarm off the press. was going to lukewarm. Is our goat washed?
00:01:53
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No. No, he's, this is going to bang. He's got time. hell He's got time. ah The film follows a squid who dreams of becoming the star, who dreams of becoming the star of a wildlife documentary.
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But when an aircraft sinks into the ocean, her peaceful world is suddenly thrown into danger. This is a Godzilla prequel. I'm going to call it now. I love it. That'd be neat. I'm here for anything Bong Joon-ho does.
00:02:17
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Sounds very interesting. I'm in. yeah I'll be in.
Letterboxd and Black Bear's Screening Tour
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Letterboxd and Black Bear are launching a four-favorite screening tour for Tuner. At each stop, attendees can record their own Letterboxd four-favorites at a special installation.
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Do we know where these installations are going to be? No. What's Tuner? Tuner is a movie we'll talk about because we had one of the we had the trailer for it play before our movie today. As I was writing the news, I was like, what's Tuner?
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And then the trailer came up and I was like, that's Tuner. So when when that movie is touring, Letterboxd will be right along with it. Cool. That was neat.
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If they come to a city near you, are you doing it? Me? or Either of you. Both of you listeners. Probably going to be you because you're moving. Okay, well, Austin also has the Criterion Closet. Maybe they'll have the Letterboxd Four Favorites.
00:03:10
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Yeah, but that was for South By and South By isn't happening right now. Thank God. Ubers would be even more expensive. I was concerned with the cost of Uber.
00:03:21
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Bring back taxi cabs. Cheap taxis. Just hitchhike.
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No.
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I'll go next.
Exploring 'Gladys' and Millie Bobby Brown
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This next one, the weapons prequel, Gladys is moving forward. We talked about this earlier in the week. I wanted to do it. Oh, you wanted to do it? I wanted do it. Go ahead and read it, Alex. I'll go next. Oh, I didn't hear that. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Go ahead. Fine.
00:03:49
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The weapons prequel, Gladys is moving forward. Zach Shields of Godzilla vs. Kong is writing the script with Zach Kregger. Do you think he's going to spend all of Gladys focusing on Millie Bobby Brown and not the the the big lizard versus the giant ape?
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One can hope. Maybe one person can hope.
00:04:13
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i think I know the name of that person. That Millie Bobby Brown casting announcement is going to hit like Insane. Starring Millie Bobby Brown as Gladys.
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um I think we know how we all feel about this, but for the listeners, how do you guys feel about this? Do we need a Gladys prequel? There's some trepidation.
00:04:38
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i think Stop explaining stuff, please. yeah She already explained it. she She told us the backstory. And I think that's all we needed. Yeah, I'm okay with that.
00:04:49
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Maybe a sequel with one of the kids being the leading character. That could be something. I want a Forrest Gump style movie with one of the kids, but it's just the scene of him running across the country.
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But it's a kid who just never broke out the spell. And they're still running to this day. And it's Tom Hanks playing every role. yeah They're just running. They're kind of running through time.
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The beard's getting longer. The world is changing around them, but they're stuck in their same old ways. I think that'd be beautiful.
'House of Leaves' and the Backrooms Connection
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We could write that. All right, Tachi, you've got the next next piece of news.
00:05:27
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Yeah, we got some trailers, some notable ones. the Backrooms, ah based off a video game. I have played it for like an hour or two. It's pretty freaky. It was a game. It's It was game, yeah. I thought it like a meme. I wasn't kidding.
00:05:40
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Did they make it a game ah off the meme? I don't know the meme. I'm not really familiar with, like, Backrooms lore in general.
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and I just know there's a game called Escape the Backrooms. It's House of Leaves for Zoomers. What is House of Leaves? I don't know what that is. Yeah, I'm showing i'm showing my my hands up.
00:06:02
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<unk> I'm not familiar with House of Leaves. right, so there's this book, all right? It's called House of Leaves, and it's, like, three books within a book. I read it. I read it this year, and it's about... Basically, it's about this guy...
00:06:15
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Editing this manuscript that this guy gave him about this house that grows rooms.
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Okay. Like one day there's just like a hallway that shows up. And then it goes from there. You know It's really, it's like a very weird like meta written book.
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The formatting gets really weird and it goes all over the place. You got to read like upside down. i was reading on a plane and I'm like turning the book like a steering wheel. You have to like read it physically turn the book? Literally physically turn the book upside down to read it. And the guy next to me is like thinking I'm insane.
00:06:57
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Look at this idiot. It's his first day reading. That's how I looked. He just passed him on the shoulder. he's said, good job, bud. God, what is that? I'm proud of you. No, it's, uh, but it's literally like what the back rooms is. At least that's that's what it seems is this infinite set of rooms that just appear behind something.
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It might be. I don't remember much about the, ah the plot of the game, but yeah, that could be it too. I like the idea of a house that just grows rooms. That sounds great in this economy.
00:07:29
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You should read House the Leafs. I can't read upside down. Oh. Might hurt myself. Can you read right side up? You got me. You got me.
Predicting 'Masters of the Universe' Movie Success
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So the next trailer, Supergirl, it looks, I think if you're a fan of Superman, the new one, I think you'll be a fan of Supergirl. You watched the trailer, right?
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I did. Okay, I did not. Alex, did you? Nope. Okay. I didn't know it came out, to be completely honest. Yeah, it um it just looks like a a James Gunn superhero movie.
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So if you're into that, I think you're really going to have a good time. that's a very That's a derogatory statement for me. And a threat. Is it? so for that, I'm out. I thought he was like collectively pretty enjoyed.
00:08:19
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What about a James Gunn Scooby-Doo movie? Yeah, yeah I could do a James Gunn Scooby-Doo movie. No, I feel like following Guardians of the Galaxy, people are like, like once we got Superman and what else did he do? Peacemaker.
00:08:36
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Peacemaker is good. um But I think people think of James Gunn as more like ah like a one trick pony. ah i remember seeing the first Supergirl trailer and I'm like, oh, okay. It's another space team up movie is is the vibe that I'm getting.
00:08:52
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Yeah, I think he just really likes his ensembles. I mean, it ain't broke, don't fix it. But i think he should I think he should fix it.
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ah Last trailer of note, Masters of the Universe. i don't know if you guys have watched it. I did watch this trailer. I did too. It was in front of a movie we saw recently. It was front of Project Hail Mary.
00:09:14
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yeah That's right. Okay. yeah yeah It looks like it's either going to rip or it's just straight ass. I think it's going to be ass. Alex, your hand is raised.
00:09:24
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Are they going to sing ah What's Going On by Four Non-Blondes? Like that one video from back in the day? They don't have the balls. If they do, I see it as like an end credit thing. It'd be so peak.
00:09:38
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That would be good. the But the best part of the movie is at the end credits. And so I cry. The best part is when it's over. It looks like a different flavor of Minecraft.
00:09:51
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I don't know what it is or what it looks like. I feel like it reminds me the most of that Dungeons and Dragons movie that came out. I kind of agree. But here's the thing.
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That movie did rip. It did. And was actually really funny. Like I was very hesitant on the Dungeons and Dragons movie. I was like, this looks bad. So maybe it'll happen with Masters of the Universe because I really did think Dungeons and Dragons was like going to be a good time at all.
00:10:19
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And I thoroughly enjoyed my time with it. Same.
00:10:25
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So who knows? We'll see. We'll be tuning in. I did see the clip of Jared Leto. Who is it? Skeletor? Yeah. so And then someone had made the comment because it was the first clip of of the voice.
00:10:40
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Someone had made the comment. What is the point of actually giving him the part if no one likes him? His last 10 movies are like flops. He's fully covered in makeup.
00:10:51
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His voice is completely disguised. Why is Jared Leto here? For the Leto hive? There's no net positive for having this man in your movie, it seems like.
00:11:02
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Maybe he just blackmails people. You will have me on your movie. i'm going know I'm going to morb everywhere. That's a threat.
00:11:13
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The Joker never left him.
00:11:16
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All right. Let's get into the meat and potatoes of today's episode. The drama. Are you guys ready? Let's do it. All
Upcoming Film Trailers Discussion
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right. Like I said, we just watched this movie. First time we're coming hot off the press.
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Let's discuss the movie trailers that were in front of this movie, shall we? Yes. Okay. All right. I got a list. Don't worry. I wrote them down. Just so we can talk about them. First trailer that was up.
00:11:42
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You, me, and Tuscany. yeah. Starring Halle Bailey. ah What do you think of this one? Vibe check. don't know. I didn't see it.
00:11:53
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i think you were I think you walked in right when this one was going. It looks just like co-worker movie. Agreed. We'll not watch it. moving on Moving on. Next trailer.
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Is God Is. this one is ah This one was was different. This one looks crazy. It could be really bad. But I'll be sad. Okay, here's how I felt.
00:12:17
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First 30 seconds of the trailer, i said, where's this going? And it kind of went balls to the wall. Some of the acting seems a little. Oh, it looks horrible. Some of it looks terrible. Yeah. Some of it looks really terrible.
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But then we had the Sterling K. Brown announcement in it. And I was said, oh, and then there was Janelle Monae. And I said, OK, that's potential to go either way. But.
00:12:42
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i don't know. Runtime is great. 99 minutes. 99 minutes. Yes, sir. My gut says not good. Same. But I'll be there.
00:12:53
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I'll be there. mike My gut says 3.2 on Letterboxd. New rating system. ah The next one. This one's been talked about a lot. The newest movie from Boots Riley.
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I love boosters. I think this one just had its premiere at South by. I'm excited. I think we've talked about this one already. I'm pretty excited for it. I think we have. um i I don't really remember Sorry to Bother You. That was his last film.
00:13:21
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Horse. But i I remember that. see That's about the only thing I remember from the movie. I watched that on a date. Hmm. Hmm. She picked it. She picked it. yeah weird day Maybe you should start picking the movies. I think and he picked Skin of a Ring. No, i know remember, I didn't pick it. I i i said, o I've been meaning to watch this.
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And she was like, let's watch it. And I'm like, I don't think we should. and then... We watched it and it had ads because it was Hulu. I know.
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Anyway, vibe check on. I love boosters. I'm excited. OK, gotcha has has potential.
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So we'll see. I like Kiki Palmer. I also like Kiki Palmer. I'll be there next one. Tuner. The one we just talked about for the letterbox, the little tour they're going to do.
00:14:23
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um This one stars Leo Woodall and Dustin Hoffman. Oh. A deaf guy who... Yeah. No, he's deaf. He's not deaf. He's sensitive. He's sensitive to hearing.
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So he uses his skills to crack...
Star-studded 'The Invite' by Olivia Wilde
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The code. To crack the codes. Yeah. For money. To crack backs.
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but So I was wondering what in this trailer it ah said from ah Oscar or at Academy Award winning director Daniel Rower. Yes.
00:14:59
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What did he direct? Take a guess. and I'm looking right now, but none of this looks familiar. no, no, no, no. no Don't look. You're cheating. Okay. None of it looked familiar. I'm off. I'm off the page.
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like You're asking what did he direct that got him yeah like an Academy Award? Was it Academy Award nominee? or academy award Making him an Academy Award winning director. Was it a short film? No.
00:15:26
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Was it... I don't know. You want me to just say? yeah Did he write something? No, he directed a documentary about Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny.
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oh Oh. I think going from that to... A movie like this is... I'm impressed. I'm i'm very intrigued. I didn't see Navalny.
00:15:51
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It's got good ratings. i heard I heard really good things about it. I'd like to watch it one day. um I'm very intrigued by Tuner. um' I'm excited for it.
00:16:02
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so I had not seen anything about it until now. this Is this his first feature film? Maybe. Maybe. I can't really tell if this Blink movie is a feature or another doc because there's a couple documentaries on here.
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But, I mean, movie looked interesting.
00:16:20
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Yeah. I'm in. I'm in. It's pretty cool. All right, last one. The new Olivia Wilde movie. Guys, she's back. Hot off the press of Don't Worry Darling. Movies called The Invite, starring Olivia Wilde, Seth Rogen, Penelope Cruz, and Edward Norton. Do you think she started dating Seth Rogen for this one? No.
00:16:43
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Thoughts on this one? Was
00:16:48
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that good? I don't know. Maybe. how have we not added a Seth Rogen laugh button? People would turn it off so quick. You either love it or you hate it
00:17:03
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I think I like it. Tachi, your turn. her ah who um We're done.
00:17:20
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I'm in for this one. This kind of looks awesome for me. I don't know. it I think it's toeing a real fine line of where it's like, it's like, is God is, or it's like, this could be horrible.
00:17:35
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It could be Dwayne Johnson and Moana, or it could be Dwayne Johnson in a smashing machine. i think that's what we're dealing with here. I think it'll live somewhere very comfortably in the middle.
00:17:48
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I'm putting stock in this one early guys. So you're betting on it being mid? um' No, i'm betting on it being pretty good. But we didn't like the Smashing Machine that much.
00:18:00
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Maybe he was good. I took Tachi's as just The Rock. Because he is the best part of that movie. So that was kind of like a high tier versus low. I think it would be pretty good.
00:18:11
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I'm in one location, it looks like, with four great actors. Three? I don't know about Olivia Wilde.
00:18:21
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twoing Who we? qui Seth Rogen? Who are we questioning here? The beautiful acted movie that was Sausage Party. What is Seth Rogen's best role?
00:18:34
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What is Seth Rogen's best role? I think he TV show that's supposed to be really good. haven't seen that. Admittedly, haven't seen that. Okay, hold on. Let's look at movies. His best role is in The Interview.
00:18:46
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He's also good in fifty fifty Yeah, but that doesn't mean he's Edward Norton or Penelope Cruz. I'm not saying he's on those. Seth Rogen, hat he has it in him, though.
00:18:57
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Apparently, he was in Donnie Darko. And Step Brothers? Who was he in Step Brothers?
00:19:05
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Whoa. Bro, I remember watching Sausage Party in high school.
00:19:12
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That's all I'll say. Wait, that came out when you were in high school? I think so. i swear i was in college when that came out. Okay, no, no, no. I was not in high school. 2016. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He's in a Chippendale Rescue Rangers movie, and you gave that four stars, Mike.
00:19:27
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It was fun. was funny. Yeah. Okay. I'll watch it. They have a cameo of Ugly Sonic in that movie. Anything that actually has Ugly Sonic played by Tim Robinson is a four star for me.
00:19:40
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Let's make that very clear. That sounds familiar. Okay. I just added it to the watch list. Okay. What are we doing? Meat potatoes. You're supposed to be talking about the drama. Okay, guys.
00:19:52
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Enough forcing around. Jesus, Louise, let's get to the drama. Hold on, I got the synopsis right here.
Expectations for 'The Drama'
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The drama is directed by Christopher Borgley. It came out today, April 2nd. A happily engaged couple is put to the test when an unexpected turn sends their wedding week off the rails.
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Starring Zendaya, Robert Pattinson, and Alana Haim.
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Guys, expectations of this before we get into our letterboxd. Go ahead, Alex. All I knew was that there was a twist, so I did everything in my power to avoid finding out the twist.
00:20:30
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And I was very successful until tonight when I had the twist spoiled for me the movie.
00:20:38
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The movie spoiled it for me. Yes, that's exactly where I am. I don't think I ever saw a trailer for this. I did. oh Because I saw the bit with the so top the photographer.
00:20:50
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okay And they were like, I saw clips of the actual wedding and I saw a Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon clip of the scene where she pulls down his pants.
00:21:02
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That scene reveals nothing. Why were you watching Jimmy Kimmel? It was on YouTube. It was Robert Pattinson on YouTube. If I see Robert Pattinson's face on a YouTube thumbnail, I'm clicking it, okay? Dude, I'm going to send you so much malware with Robert Pattinson's face connected to it. and High expectations for you, Tachi, or pretty same boat?
00:21:25
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Yeah. High expectations, but... Yeah. That's it
00:21:35
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Well said. How did... Okay, so with a twist, if I'm not mistaken, Alex, I think you would know this. Was the script leaked? Yes, it was. And that how people found Yes, it was leaked. And I'm honestly shocked that never had spoiled.
00:21:52
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Me too. With that happening, and there's there's a lot of discourse around this movie. I mean, it's ah it's two very popular actors. Especially, like... I mean, they're they're they're pop culture heavyweights, right? Like, Bart Pattinson and Zendaya.
00:22:12
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People who don't listen to this will be going to the movies to see that. Yeah, right. It's not very niche, right? Yeah. And so like this was something I heard about like in conversation.
00:22:25
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People would you bring it up like, oh, excited for the drama. you know like Oh, like I'm going to go see it. So not having it spoiled, because at some point you'd think someone would be like, oh is that the movie where Zendaya and Robert... Redacted. Redacted. Yeah, redacted.
00:22:43
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yes We will be talking about the twist and we're going to give you a heads up when we do. We're going try and keep it a spoiler free for as long as we can, but as long as we can, it won't be long. it'll be like five
Letterboxd Reviews of 'The Drama'
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minutes.
00:22:54
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But I mean, if it's a, if it's a spoiler for you to know that there's a twist already, then go ahead and stop listening, go watch it and then come back.
00:23:05
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Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed the movie.
00:23:10
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Let's do our letterbox stuff like loath. Let's do it. Tachi has our five star. I have a three. Alex has our one. All right. This five star is coming in from Shania O'Brien.
00:23:21
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Makes, would you still love me if I was a worm? Seem like child's play. I would still love you if you were Wormtaji. Aw. Alex. Lush.
00:23:33
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Our three star comes from JOJ66. This movie answers the hypothetical of not even Batman could get this info out of me. Our one star comes from Christian with ah with a text butterfly somehow.
00:23:49
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I think that's a butterfly. Christian with a K. This was so bad, I wish I could erase it from my brain. 824, you suck more and more every movie.
00:24:01
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How are people rating this? Four stars, say psych. Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. dot dot dot dot No depth, seriously terrible dialogue, and the plot was never cemented, dot, dot, dot.
00:24:13
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There was genuinely genuinely no real plot, da da da da da da da da da da da dot, dot, dot. So what was the point? Casting Zendaya and Robert Pattinson doesn't make this film enjoyable or make up for how truly terrible it was, dot, dot, dot, dot. dot I'm mad I wasted my time seeing this, especially because I was at first so excited. Way to ruin my whole day. Smiley face.
00:24:38
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Full offense. If you thought this was good. Yikes. Five likes. You know what we have to do. When you check the top four. We got to look at their top four. I think with every, whoever has the privilege of being our one star review for whatever movie we were talking about. Okay. Okay. Looking at your top four.
00:24:57
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you know it's not even the top four. Super Mario Galaxy. They apparently also saw that tonight. Five stars. oh I can't say anything because I haven't seen it.
00:25:09
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ah come This is the review. I should have seen this one before the drama, not the other way around. Anyway, I love you, Rosalina, my perfect little princess angel.
00:25:21
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The top four are The Little Vampire. Heart and Souls, Eternal Sunshine for the Spotless Mind, oh no and Scooby-Doo in the Ghoul School.
00:25:39
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What is that? What an interesting top four. Scooby-Doo and the Ghoul School was like, I think it had Scrappy-Doo in it, and it didn't have Fred, Daphne, and Velma. It was just Shaggy, Scooby, and Scrappy.
00:25:53
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I don't remember liking it that much. Oh my god, it's so far down the Scooby-Doo movie list. It's from 1988, that's why. Wow. Deep cut. What Unk.
00:26:05
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right. Is that the review? That's the review. All right. I want to open this up by talking about the director, Christopher Borgley.
Director Christopher Borgley's Filmography
00:26:11
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The only other movie I am familiar with from this director was 2023's Dream Scenario with Nicolas Cage.
00:26:19
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Did you guys watch that one? you No. You watch that one, Tachi? Yeah. It was good. what it would You liked it? Mm-hmm. Okay. I also really liked it. I kind of want to see what ah he has a couple other feature films. A lot of these look like short films.
00:26:33
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I'm very curious to watch these other movies now. I want to know what's going on in this guy's head. he i feel like he utilized some of the unsettlingness of that movie. What what was it called? i just Dream Scenario. Dream Scenario, yeah.
00:26:48
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um I feel like some of that was used here in the drama with like some of the editing choices. So that was kind of neat. So this is movie one of three this year with Robert Pattinson and Zendaya.
Zendaya's Career and Performance in 'The Drama'
00:27:03
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Kind of crazy. So yes, I watched the Jimmy Kimmel YouTube clip with Robert Pattinson. I was just very curious because like I was staying away from...
00:27:15
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any type of potential spoiler talk that I could with this movie. But I wanted to hear both Robert Pattinson and Zendaya talk about the movie. And from the clips and interviews that I would watch, it was very brief, the conversations when it came to the movie.
00:27:30
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It showed that like a 10-second clip, obviously gave no context to anything. um And they were always there they always just like ended the interviews with, a yeah, you just got to see it And that's kind of it. And so I was just very curious what the what the twist was, but um how do we how how should we open this with ah without getting too deep into the spoiler territory first?
00:27:53
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The twist was a blast.
00:27:58
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Were you blown away? um
00:28:07
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we can just rip the bandai off and talk about it do we we can We can talk about some other stuff. I don't think we can. I don't think we can. do Okay. It's okay. We can talk about other stuff. We can talk about other stuff.
00:28:19
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We talk about the rest of the cast or i don't know, stuff like that. Highlight for me was the photographer. I feel like she really nailed her ah her line reads and her comedic timing was awesome.
00:28:31
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We have two. There are two really good supporting roles in this. That's a really good shout out. I'm also going to shout out the DJ at the wedding. Oh, yeah yeah. He was awesome. Both of these actors had two minutes and they went to work.
00:28:48
Speaker
They sure did. They really did. I want that DJ at my wedding. You a gearhead? if If I got a guy showing up telling me like, dude, this is the equipment I brought and he's like stoked.
00:29:02
Speaker
I'm locked in. It's going to be the best DJ set ever. In any other situation other than what they are presently going through and having this conversation with the DJ, I'm giving this guy a high five.
00:29:14
Speaker
And I'm happy he's there. His name is Jeremy Levick, and he was also in Dream Scenario. Oh, no way. i think the director just likes him. Is he going to be our new Josh Bone?
00:29:26
Speaker
Because this could at least have some screen time and some lines. Josh Bone is not really doing much for Josh Bone almost doesn't even exist. We somehow hyped up Josh Bone for months, watched Marty Supreme,
00:29:41
Speaker
Talked about Marty Supreme multiple times for the awards ceremony and not once during our entire Marty Supreme discussion did we ever bring up Josh Bone. I think this is the first time we've talked about him in months. ah Shout out Josh Bone real quick. We love you, Josh. ah you know Yeah, we're changing our our group chat picture to Jeremy Levick. He's our new goat.
00:30:01
Speaker
I don't want to play with you anymore.
00:30:07
Speaker
There's also something called Rap World. Oh, I'm from there.
00:30:17
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um Let's talk about the performance.
00:30:23
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How are you guys? How do you feel about Zendaya as an actress? How do you feel? Here's how I feel about Zendaya as an actress. Not great. She hasn't been in anything to me that I think really encapsulates the talent that I know she has.
00:30:44
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um i don't know. She just falls kind of flat for me. Like, I i think she's the worst part of the dude movies. Go ahead. I disagree with you on one movie that turned me into a Zendaya truther.
00:31:00
Speaker
Challengers. Challengers is up there. That's the one that did it. The most for me. it I mean, she's a, she's got a pretty small part in the greatest show. She's not why I'm watching the movie,
00:31:17
Speaker
but she's not, she like, she's not a bad, she's not a bad actor. Like whatsoever. I just know, i just feel like because she's she's very relevant in the pop culture space that you would think that she had this like insane filmography.
00:31:29
Speaker
And then you look at it and she really doesn't. And to me, like she just hasn't had like that full role that's fully blown me away. It's the closest it's there with challengers. I agree with you.
00:31:41
Speaker
I'm just a little confused that like the, I guess the hype. She was a Disney kid. I know. She permeated past Disney and is being successful at other stuff.
00:31:53
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A lot of those actors can't break past that. And so when they do, it's a big deal. and she She did that. And I think she's doing a decent job at it. I don't think she can command or like, I'll take it back.
00:32:09
Speaker
She hasn't like disappeared into a role to the point where I was like, that's the character, that's not Zendaya. But Challengers, I think she did a really, really good job at breaking her stereotype and playing a villain. She played ah a really good villain.
00:32:33
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A very believable one, too. Okay, yeah, I think you you put that nicely. She hasn't disappeared into a role yet, but I know it will come.
00:32:45
Speaker
All that to say, i think she's fantastic in this movie. Me too. She's really good. Yes. I think I agree with everything both of you just said. But I think this is the movie where she really understood how her character navigates an uncomfortable moment or and or uncomfortable scene. I feel like before, like as MJ in the Spider-Man movies, she, it just didn't really feel right.
00:33:13
Speaker
i don't know. she's She's not, if she's not there. Yeah. But it feels there now, at least it is. I agree. I think she's inching closer and closer to those types of roles. So I'm very excited to see what else she has going on ah for her career.
00:33:31
Speaker
We're getting four movies with her this year, and this was the first one. Four? Hold on. What is the other one? So we have this one, The Odyssey, Dunes. for Oh, Spider-Man. Spider-Man, yeah. Bro, that's crazy. What a Year Zendaya.
00:33:45
Speaker
Oh, my God. And I think she's... No, they got married. and okay got marriedried Apparently. Apparently. Yeah. Yeah. It's not confirmed. You know what? They have it that way. Let them have their private life, please. I like that. They have their private life. It's so sweet.
00:34:02
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It's very cute. He's the one to have ah broken the MJ spell. So, Robert, what do we think is really good. I mean, I expected him to be great and he was great, bro. He's always good. Yeah, he's so good. That's my goat.
Major Plot Twist in 'The Drama': School Shooting Plan
00:34:16
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Yeah, he was awesome. During the Jimmy Kimmel interview, I'm going to bring up this interview a lot. He's my best friend, Jimmy. Yeah, me and Kimmel go way back. Guys, i'm I'm not saying I like Jimmy Kimmel, but like let's say that i was watching this Jimmy Kimmel interview and he just still happened to say Jimmy Kimmel's so charming, you guys.
00:34:37
Speaker
oh and he's so handsome, too. This episode was brought to you by not Jimmy Kimmel. Anyway, um he was talking about how it was weird to hear Robert Pattinson use his natural voice and his but his normal accent in a movie because like every role he does, he's got some type of weird freaky voice that we never hear just like Robert.
00:35:04
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I'm not convinced that his natural voice isn't also some weird freaky voice. yeah Like you think he's putting something on here? It's a bit like the whole thing's a bit.
00:35:15
Speaker
So do you think we've ever heard Robert Pattinson isn't even like a real person. It's just a bit.
00:35:21
Speaker
He's been acting this whole time. It makes sense. He checks all my boxes. yeah He's just actually Batman in real life. What about you guys?
00:35:32
Speaker
Thoughts on Robert Pattinson? I love him. Yeah, he's awesome. Can't get enough. And again, we have him three times this year. Maybe there's a fourth that I'm unaware of, but it's three times. and i'm We can hope.
00:35:44
Speaker
So excited. Yeah, I'd bet money that there's a ah fourth unknown that we don't know about. Batman Part 2 early drop, please. That'd be insane. Okay. Enough dancing around.
00:35:56
Speaker
I can't. We're going to spoil it I want to dive deep. We're going to spoil it. You've been warned. You've been warned again. Here we go. Spoilers discussion is happening now.
00:36:10
Speaker
Why are you still listening? We told you the spoiler section was coming up. It's here. And now that you know that Zendaya planned a mass shooting.
00:36:23
Speaker
But she didn't do it. she She did not do it. She was close. So, how did we get here? The movie opens up.
00:36:35
Speaker
With Robert Pattinson looking at Zendaya across the way at a coffee shop and he wants to approach her. Does a smooth move of taking a picture of a book. i don't think he needed to take a picture of it. Nope.
00:36:47
Speaker
You couldn't just memorize that real quick and type that into your phone to strike up a conversation with her. Stadium pulse was high. He needed to do the ah the safe play. Could you imagine him walking up, not taking the picture and then sent back down and be like,
00:37:03
Speaker
It was blurry. He has to go back. Yeah. This whole movie would have been entirely avoidable. um Very cute. Opening five, ten minutes of hearing their story and then him writing the vows. or We get these little flashbacks of the beginnings of their relationship.
00:37:20
Speaker
Just cuteness. All around. face Yeah. Just feeling good. Yep. And pretty quick... They are having a, um what are they doing?
00:37:31
Speaker
They're choosing the food, the catering, and the wine menu. Yeah, they're doing like a wine tasting. Okay. They're going around the table. They've had a few drinks. And the conversation gets brought up of going around the table asking, what is the worst thing each person here has done?
00:37:46
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So the friend tells one story about a dog. The other friend tells one story about her locking up a kid in a closet. A slow kid. Quote, unquote, slow kid. Insane.
00:37:58
Speaker
thing to admit yeah no not not just locking him in a closet running away going to an abandoned camper in the woods locking him in a closet there and leaving him for like a full day and then not telling the kid's dad where he was when his dad was like where is my son she goes i don't know piece of shit yeah that was crazy what was um What was Charlie's? Did we hear Charlie's? He cyberbullied someone into moving. Oh, that's right. His was his was kind of junk. He's like, yeah, they moved. He's like, I don't know. Could have been a coincidence that they moved. And then we get to Emma. That's crazy they move, though, because like that wouldn't stop cyberbullying. It wouldn't.
00:38:40
Speaker
I saw there was a moving truck. You shook. You shook. Little bitch. And then we get to Emma's story. and Oh my God.
00:38:56
Speaker
What did you, how are you guys feeling? It's like the air got sucked out. They couldn't believe it. Yeah. i was like, whoa, that's not because it's not what I expected. yeah I honestly thought the twist was going to be that Charlie Robert Pattinson's character was like a, like a PTO or something.
00:39:15
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something Something like that. like I thought it'd be like he would be the villain. That's yeah. we Kevin and I were on the way home and we were like, we thought it would be something with the Robert Pattinson's character.
00:39:27
Speaker
And then even if it was, it wouldn't have been that. I, my theory was that it was going to be, ah that she lied about the, the hearing.
00:39:41
Speaker
er that she played it off and just dug herself into this deep hole and didn't know how to climb out. And I thought that she was going to confess that she was never deaf. That's a movie. That's a rom-com.
00:39:53
Speaker
We're like, she never hears him in the beginning, but like she just like takes like this little white lie. That's a rom-com. That's not what we got. That's not this. That's not this. That was not this at all. Whatsoever. This scene was so well paced and so well directed. Like excruciatingly long. That's what it felt like.
00:40:11
Speaker
And like, I was, i am shocked that the twist came this early. We're, I think we're like 20, 25 minutes in. Yeah. is At this point. And so for the rest of the movie, We're just on this uncomfortable, awkward, dark journey.
00:40:30
Speaker
We knew there was a twist. This is not where I thought it was going and like not the feelings I thought I was going to have during and after this movie. There was like heavy, immediate pressure from like everyone at that table to to get more information. Like, did she really just confess to that? And how serious is she being?
00:40:51
Speaker
it was it was it was hard to watch. I couldn't imagine actually being in that situation. And with the Rachel character, it's like she had this connection that her cousin was actually in a school shooting and is paralyzed because of it.
00:41:07
Speaker
And so, yeah, they're asking for the clarification. They're like are you serious? Like, did this, did this actually happen? And like, if it didn't, like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And why are you joking like this? And if it did,
00:41:20
Speaker
Maybe a bigger what the fuck. But we find out that, yeah. She kind of keeps talking and when she was 15, almost went through with a mass shooting.
00:41:33
Speaker
Got so far as to bringing the rifle to school, apparently. Yeah. Although I don't know how she would have concealed an M14. it was ah I had that thought just because it was a really big gun. Yeah, it was a big gun.
00:41:45
Speaker
Yeah. But it seemed like she had the whole thing planned out. It kind of alluded to that. She definitely did. the targets, how and when. pretty Pretty crazy stuff. The video manifesto.
00:41:59
Speaker
Zendaya does a really good job at kind of reconciling these past emotions and like this just this blank... reaction she has on her face for like starting here and for the rest of the movie i think she plays really well along with the just awkward i want to know more like really like dive into what happened of charlie i think play very well and well into each other like they both zenday and robert pattinson really hold a lot and carry a lot for this movie and i think they make it work very well and the movie does a
00:42:35
Speaker
Really good. Like if you told me what the twist was, I wouldn't know how like the tone of the movie was going to to handle that. But surprisingly like comedic.
00:42:50
Speaker
At least that's how our theater took it. There's laughter. There were some laugh out loud moments. there were A lot of it was awkward laughing too. Yeah. I like i was kind of thinking like there were a few times where a scene didn't feel like it was playing for a laugh or for like a comedic effect, but the audience was laughing regardless.
00:43:10
Speaker
I think I'll lean towards it as kind of like an awkward type of laugh, but like... For some of them, I was just like, guys, who knows we should be laughing at this part. right Yeah, I was like, oh, we're laughing. Okay. Because we're having a good There was one guy in our theater, though. Gaffawing. Gaffawing.
00:43:32
Speaker
He was having, like, the best time of his life. it's just oh He was in the front. I love a good guffaw. I'm a sucker for it.
00:43:43
Speaker
Um, kind of like a repulsive laugh, not in a bad way, like in cute and an I love you way in a cute way.
Theme of Forgiveness in 'The Drama'
00:43:53
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Um, I've, i have a question I want to pose. So okay pose you're you're going to get, you're throwing it to me. You're immediately going to get it thrown back to you.
00:44:01
Speaker
Um, How do you think this movie handled its subject matter? Because i was on one star duty today, as you heard.
00:44:11
Speaker
And a lot of the one star reviews that I heard was like this glorified school shootings. This made light of shootings.
00:44:22
Speaker
ah Here, let me find some quotes. The way that it handles extremely serious subject matter, especially school violence, is not only irresponsible but borderline offensive. offensive It feels like it romanticizes and aestheticizes something that should never be portrayed so carelessly.
00:44:42
Speaker
Did you get that at all from this? I see where they're coming from, but that feels a little obtuse to me. Like it feels so intentional that they are making light of like the manifesto sequence where she just can't get her camcorder to record her final message or whatever.
00:45:03
Speaker
And that just seems like the purpose is to make
00:45:11
Speaker
Well, I don't know. I guess I need to be careful here. I guess to make their reasoning seem, I don't want to say silly, but I don't know what other.
00:45:26
Speaker
You could say it. Silly. Yeah. In the grand scheme of things, it's like, what? Right. That's what did it, right? I mean, not to say that there's ever like a right reason to do it because there isn't.
00:45:41
Speaker
But, you know, when we look back on stuff that we were upset about as kids, but a lot of it, we're like, are you kidding me, man? Like, this is what you were making a mountain out of a molehill about?
00:45:54
Speaker
Now, I hope none of us planned a school shooting because of it. i can say confidently that I never did. I have not.
00:46:06
Speaker
I have not either. You're a little slow on the draw there. I have a confession to make. And it's not that I have thought about this. It's that I always thought, and I'm sure is not an original experience, but I would just be sitting there in class in like sixth grade or seventh grade. And I would just imagine like, oh, if there was a shooter, like I would block the door for everyone. Like, oh, like I'll be the hero here. I'll take the bullets for everybody. And I'm, I don't know. That's, that's what I was considering is the complete other
00:46:39
Speaker
so Yeah. not a hero the We've all had that yeah happen. If it's like you're downtown, it's like, I'm going to fight the mugger. like i I agree with you, Tachi. um it does It does feel like that's the point that they're trying to make here.
00:47:02
Speaker
This movie is going to have a lot of discourse around it over the next few weeks. I can i can guarantee that that the tweets are probably firing off like as we speak.
00:47:14
Speaker
It's a very hard... conversation and subject matter to handle. And I think there are a number of ways you can do it. There's a number of ways that people have that deal with it, that have lived it.
00:47:26
Speaker
We see it constantly. And so I think this out of many and many more that we'll probably see are conversations about like the feelings that of the problems that we have with school shootings.
00:47:42
Speaker
Like it's addressed directly in the movie. Like once they kind of start having the first conversation, Emma and Charlie, Emma kind of starts telling him some of the things that were happening to her in school. And then it cuts back to him and he goes, Oh, that's it.
00:47:56
Speaker
she's like, oh, well, there were like other things. And then she's even talking through it and she's like, I don't know, like I think I just like, she even says it, she's like, I think I like the aesthetic of it. And then later on, Charlie's having the conversation with the friends saying like, and he says it kind of in a joking way, but I think that's kind of where a lot of the conversation is. It's like, oh, it's ah like, isn't that just like our culture?
00:48:22
Speaker
And then Rachel's just like our culture and kind of like, like writes him off with it. But like, isn't it? He's not really off base. And that's the thing. And that's the thing. So I think.
00:48:37
Speaker
People who won't like this movie because of how it handles the subject matter, I think are valid in the critiques. my From my point of view, I just think it's one of many ways you can have this conversation. I don't think it's glorifying it in any way. i think it's asking a very...
00:48:55
Speaker
brutal question that they even ask in the movie it's like who knows how many people have had thoughts like this yeah and didn't even come close to it like yes emma came pretty close to it and there's maybe i don't think not a lot of nuance like with her like with this but like the thousands of people that potentially have that are just kind of walking amongst us like then what I think for me, I'm reading like a lot of these and here's another one. And this person's review, i get it from their perspective, but there's a, there's a sentence in here that, uh, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to like cherry pick their review.
00:49:34
Speaker
I'm just saying like this, I think person perfectly encapsulates a lot of what I'm seeing. Um, it says not one time did anyone make any point even relating to guns being part of the issue or trying to understand of why,
00:49:48
Speaker
Understanding of why should would do something like that. Okay. I think you get what I'm trying to say. Yeah. But um
00:49:57
Speaker
I think a lot of people who are giving this a negative review for the reasons we've discussed are giving it a negative review. And I think they're missing the mountain for the molehill. Yeah.
00:50:10
Speaker
This isn't a movie about school shootings. This isn't a movie about gun politics or um like any sort of statement about like that. In the context of that, like, yeah, I get it. It's very surface level. Like it doesn't ever like say something about that.
00:50:29
Speaker
It's just sort of the vehicle to have a discussion about two things, really. Growing up online. And the capacity for forgiveness. Now, the first one I'll touch on lightly, but we all come from a generation, I'm sure we can relate to this very much, of being able to access a lot of things that we probably shouldn't be able to access fairly young.
00:50:57
Speaker
At a very young, impressionable age. where And they hit the nail on the head. It's like your brain doesn't hit you know full development until 25. five
00:51:08
Speaker
Now, that doesn't absolve you of any sort of culpability for anything. But someone who is 14 and stumbles across some sort of dark internet group online may not understand the the gravity of, in this case, taking a human life.
00:51:30
Speaker
or multiple. They see it as like a way out or like an aesthetic. It's something cool. It's edgy. You're an outlaw. and There are real people who do this.
00:51:43
Speaker
that There are forums online dedicated to idolizing the Columbine shooters. And I'm sure there's many more out there. Like, I mean, this isn't unique to school shooters.
00:51:57
Speaker
People do this for serial killers. I mean, the amount of people who wrote Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy in prison, like being like fans of them and even continue to be like fans of them now, it's disturbing. It's very disturbing.
00:52:14
Speaker
But anyone can just access this and fall into a rabbit hole when they're young and impressionable. They don't really understand the gravity and the weight of these things. You can easily get into a frame of mind where you're having very destructive thoughts and you don't really understand it at all.
00:52:32
Speaker
Now, where I think this movie really succeeds and telling its story is it's all about having the capacity to forgive. Because Zendaya did this very bad thing. Emma dad did this very bad thing when she was a kid.
00:52:48
Speaker
But she didn't actually do it. She, you know, for better or for worse, had a thought crime. And I'm not absolving her.
00:52:59
Speaker
I'm not like saying, oh, it's fine. Like, you know, she's all good. It's just little thing. But at the end of the day, she didn't actually shoot anyone. She didn't pull a trigger. And in fact, she made great steps to oppose that after the fact. The movie divulges almost like accidentally that she became this huge gun safety advocate, like anti-gun violence advocate. She found a purpose through that, and that was a huge part of her like freeing herself.
00:53:41
Speaker
Now, we look at both of these actions, but we're going to weight one higher than the other, right? Yep. And the the one we're going to rate higher is the more shocking one.
00:53:53
Speaker
But I personally feel, and this is where this movie really succeeded for me, I think the other one is just as hard. Right? Especially if you're in this frame of mind.
00:54:06
Speaker
And that's really what this movie is handing us on a silver platter. It's saying... is the like can you Do you have the capacity to forgive someone who did something like this?
00:54:22
Speaker
And it's a hard question to answer because forgiving is hard. But I think that she is not the villain of this movie.
00:54:35
Speaker
it's It's a very tragic movie, and I think she is wholly, wholly mistreated throughout it. Mm-hmm. Because this is someone who is striving for forgiveness. She's taking active steps to do the right thing and mend the situation. Going so far as to throwing away a $3,000 gun. That is not a cheap weapon.
00:54:56
Speaker
if if If it actually is an M14, I got like, there you can see it for like five seconds. that's That's an expensive weapon. Throws it away in a swamp. Actively, you know, trying to take it the steps that someone her age could take to to get, you know, gun violence to go away, which is not much, sadly.
00:55:17
Speaker
um And moving on from that part of her life, you're doing like philanthropic work. That is someone who absolutely should be forgiven. And she is immediately thrown to the wolves immediately.
00:55:33
Speaker
And it was so sad. Now, the movie never, ever addressed if she actually like went and got help for this like therapy. There was like one throwaway line that was like, the did you explore like the cause of what this could be? Yeah. But never so much like dealing with the aftermath. But obviously, this is something she feels very guilty about.
00:55:55
Speaker
And she's trying to move on because, you know... She's taken the worst moment of her life. And now, like, instead of like sure trying to fix it, now it's just, it's ruining everything again.
00:56:07
Speaker
When again, she didn't she she didn't really do anything. Like, there was no material effect that this had on the world until now. Again, not saying that's right, but it's saying, should she be forgiven for this? And I think she should.
00:56:24
Speaker
Do you think she should, just to play devil's advocate advocate here, we see the reason she doesn't end up doing it is purely coincidence.
00:56:37
Speaker
Another shooting had happened. Yeah, it's, it's it's and whatever it may be, it still was enough to to let her know the gravity of her situation and immediately try and rectify it. Mm-hmm.
00:56:55
Speaker
it's the The hardest hitting scene for me is the worst she breaks down and cries in the gym. Because in that moment, I'm like, wow. this And that that child actor, phenomenal.
00:57:06
Speaker
don't know who that kid was. yeah They did a great job. Yeah, for sure. Because in that scene, no words were exchanged, but you could tell this kid just had the weight of the world hit their... The amount of guilt. Yeah. like so Frontal cortex.
00:57:22
Speaker
and The guilt of what if just completely weighing on her.
Analyzing 'The Drama's' Structure and Pacing
00:57:25
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What if? And it's, you know, it's ah it's one of those things. i just, I was like, that's why I'm seeing this, I'm like, this is not what the movie's about.
00:57:37
Speaker
The movie's about, can you forgive this person? Can you forgive something? Or can you forgive someone who did something but truly regrets it? and It's up for you to decide.
00:57:48
Speaker
Right? Do you think this person deserves forgiveness? It's their relationship at the end of the movie, and it's before they're making this this lifelong commitment. I mean, in their vows, it's till death do us part.
00:57:59
Speaker
Like, there's... there's the words you can speak, but the actions you take at the end of the day is what matters. So I agree with you that that ultimately is the ah the message of the movie. It's like, you're making this lifelong commitment to someone. Like, are you a person of your word? Like, are you really like about your word at the end of the day?
00:58:21
Speaker
And going back to um her child version really quick, I really love the scenes where it's after all the conversations have happened. And and Robert's like, trying to process everything that's been discussed and his thoughts and his feelings. And he's, he's like walking with the image of younger Emma and just like kind of walking through life or his days through the city with her.
00:58:50
Speaker
I don't know. that was That was pretty neat to me. I thought those things were very effective in showing us a glimpse of like Charlie's mind of maybe trying to like reconcile with the fact of like what she did. like I don't know, because you're ah she was like she was a kid.
00:59:09
Speaker
And so I just thought those scenes were were very effective too. i think that's a good shout. um The wedding scene. Let's talk about the wedding. Oh. We reached uncut gems level of anxiety. Yeah.
00:59:27
Speaker
I wanted to leave. wanted to leave too. thing Cam held my hand. Alex, I saw you bring your legs up. I put my head down. touch I don't know how you and Julie were moving, but like the entire theater just like as ah as a unit, just shifting in their seats, just like be there were, there were moans. People were growing. Oh,
00:59:49
Speaker
Oh, wow Oh, my God. ah Rachel's speech as the maid of honor. Oh, God. That was brutal. I think that was the first big moment.
01:00:00
Speaker
Oh, my God. I legit could not breathe. but What did you think of Rachel? What do you think of her character? I like her character as being almost like the voice of the ah of like the negative reviews that we're already seeing. like they The director like anticipated the some of the backlash that he's going to get because people real people have been affected by these real things and there's going to be these real conversations that are happening. so I thought it was really great to put in a character such as herself that had a very close relationship
01:00:37
Speaker
family member be affected by a mass shooting. Yeah. So it brought It's great choice. Yeah. It brought a lot of weight and a lot of necessary conversation and tension between, between our main characters.
01:00:51
Speaker
Um, so I thought she did a great job just to deviate for one second. that that scene with Robert and her cousin on the street also brutal was painfully awkward I was just like what are you spit it out yeah I'm surprised it never came up again me too yeah Like that.
01:01:13
Speaker
Like what was he trying to do? i don't know. I don't know. i was i was like, well what is the goal? He was like trying to adjudicate Emma's side of things before it even happened. So poorly that like the only thing that comes out is you're going to really like Emma.
01:01:31
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And she's like, all right. She wasn't even there, i don't think. No. She probably was like, I'm not going. No, she wasn't ever invited. She was going to lunch to give permission for Rachel to go. got it, got it, got it. That's right.
01:01:52
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Yeah, that was crazy.
01:01:57
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Yeah, so the the speech happens and then there are whisperings. She's in the bathroom alone. Here's some more whisperings. all the whispers in the walls are just, they were like, like creeping in my skin.
01:02:12
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And she, yeah, she hears like school shooting, like outside of the bathroom door and like, like confronts her too. She's like, it's not funny, but just the way he's at it is just like, imagine you're like at work or something. You're in like the bathroom, you know, like hiding from your responsibility. It's like school.
01:02:32
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It's, it's not a funny subject, but like,
01:02:37
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This movie, it it it did such a great job at getting you to uncomfortably laugh. Yeah. Because none of it's really like funny.
01:02:49
Speaker
It's just so... like It's just like pushing for any sort of reaction from you. Yeah. I mean, it literally happens with one of the... like I think a day after Charlie finds out this news of Emma...
01:03:06
Speaker
He's upstairs, like, taking a shower, and then she comes up with a knife, and he has this reaction, and she's like, why you look so scared of me? And he's like ah, I'm good. She's like, did you think i was going to stab you?
01:03:17
Speaker
Like, you thought I came upstairs to stab you? Like, just trying to see, like, how ridiculous that was. Like, he's valid in feeling that. And then she... like rushes him like and fakes him out with a knife. Like, like think it's a joke, like, ha ha. But like, and then we laugh, but like in that situation, you're just like, who am i living with right now?
01:03:38
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Like as he's like tackling this. Y'all ever seen that OJ video? Oh yeah. With the interview when he opens his makeup. me Oh my God.
01:03:49
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She's like, I think he was trying to make a joke.
01:03:54
Speaker
Pretty much the same thing. um The dad has his his toast to the to the to his daughter. i was terrified. i was terrified that he was going to be like, oh one of the characters she played was like this cowboy gunslinger. Yeah.
01:04:16
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i I would have thrown up immediately. I would have... Yeah. Just... One thing I kind of want to bring up real quick on the topic of him talking about her being able to play these different characters. And this was kind of the thing she did. She also brought this up talking about the aesthetics of her as a 15 year old wanting to do this, that she saw that side of her, like as a character, she says that at some point in the movie.
01:04:38
Speaker
Alex, you were just talking about this whole idea of forgiveness and that, yes, this is a tragedy and she should not be getting like the flack that she is. And the story at it at at its core is about forgiveness.
01:04:56
Speaker
Well, what is like it's it's not so much. Well, let me clarify something before we continue this. To forgive is not to forget. Right. Yes. Yes. there You can forgive someone and still expect consequences. Yep.
01:05:11
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So, you know, if she she's going to receive flack, I think in this case, she's going to receive flack. Yes. But are you going to be one of those people that gives it to her? Yeah.
01:05:26
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I guess my question would be like, try to put yourself in Charlie's shoes. Like what, like, what are you guys doing in this situation? Are you believing?
01:05:38
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Yes, we have all these years of work that we see that she has done to better herself. But like, what if like, this is just like another character? Like it doesn't.
01:05:51
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i i I actually thought about this on the drive home. It's like, what would I do in this situation? um I would postpone the wedding and I would go to therapy, like couples counseling. And my own therapist.
01:06:03
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That's the most logical one, too. Are you are i saying that's the only way to do it? Are you saying if Emma is like adult Emma is a character? no Well, I'm saying like this, that would be the only way to figure it out. Right.
01:06:17
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is Some like a like a trained third party needs to take a look at it. Hmm. But I think the the willingness to communicate and understand her perspective is probably the best first step.
01:06:32
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I would say that she calls it a character. Trying to compartmentalize it. I'm not a psychologist. I'm not a therapist.
01:06:43
Speaker
You said you were. Oh, I mean, yeah, when you when you pay me for that, like, yeah, i' i'm i'm the I'm one then. that's That's different, though. He's my therapist, guys. Yeah, my PhD is, it's ah ah it's, it doesn't go all day. It's like a 12-hour thing. It's not 24 hours. A 10 PhD. Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:07
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But my guess is that it was written as she was trying to compartmentalize that. Makes sense. And like she's, so oh, well that was just a character that I was playing. Like, no, it was you.
01:07:20
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Yeah. It was you. And I don't necessarily think that she's wrong for doing that. I just think it's a sure way to so a trauma response to Exactly. Okay.
01:07:31
Speaker
Um... God, this movie is so layered. I think it's it's so well written. It's so interesting. It's such a neat concept. It really is. like i mean i I want to like just talk about this for hours because I think it's such an interesting question. And it's one that we I don't think really gets brought up all that often it's in media. feels like taboo.
01:07:56
Speaker
It does feel like taboo. and And not just because the subject. I mean just like this i I'm trying to think of like another movie that deals with something like this.
01:08:07
Speaker
and Because a lot of like the things that you see in like couples movies about like forgiveness is this like a cheating thing or like, you know, ah oh, he did this bad thing. and it's like ah It's not that bad. I mean, this is like a really serious like bad thing that somebody did.
01:08:28
Speaker
it's It's interesting. like i just... Wow.
Cinematography and Musical Score in 'The Drama'
01:08:33
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Someone listening is going to be like, God, this guy huffs his own farts way too much. and He thinks he's so smart.
01:08:40
Speaker
And I'm not. It is a very interesting movie. like it it It poses a very big question. I think a question i've never really thought of, but someone asks it and you're just like, oh, yeah.
01:08:54
Speaker
Have you? Has anyone? Have I met anyone that has had these thoughts? What would I do? What would you do? It is very interesting. Or you've had dreams of it.
01:09:05
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Or dreams. I think dream scenario tackle is not this subject matter, but like just the dream state of things. It's like we talked about the Eyes Wide Shut episode. like Are we our thoughts?
01:09:18
Speaker
Or just our actions? Who knows? Are we not men? We are Devo. What is that? A band. Oh. All right, guys. What else? Closing thoughts?
01:09:30
Speaker
I loved the camera shifts, like the way that like bounced around and like fractured and things like that. I thought it was really well done. I can see why someone would hate it.
01:09:41
Speaker
I really liked it. This was shot on film, right? I feel like it was probably shot digitally to look like film. Okay. i saw an artifact at one point though, like an actual, like, put in artifacts.
01:09:57
Speaker
quote-unquote artifacts. That's where I'm putting my money. I could be wrong. But regardless, I thought the movie looked beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Great cinematography. um It was a lot of close-ups, though.
01:10:10
Speaker
A lot of close-ups. They're all very good-looking people. Close-ups, yeah. Just good-looking people in this movie. You need the close-ups. um I don't know if you guys saw one of the marketing stunts that A24 did, but basically they were...
01:10:26
Speaker
Holding, what was it? i think they made a chapel, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, in Vegas where people can get married for free.
01:10:39
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for like a day they're like come down to the a24 chapel and get married sponsored by the drama and then zendaya popped up at a couple of the weddings and like took pictures of it and the context of her doing that now knowing this movie is hilarious were they like real marriages like legally like they were real marriages they were like come down to to this address on this day and like you will marry you like free of charge like you get a free wedding and like this You guys want to go get married? It's over now.
01:11:09
Speaker
ah But yeah, Zendaya popped up at a couple of them. And I was just like, that's hilarious. Now knowing what like the actual context of the movie. This movie is going to cause a lot of discourse.
01:11:23
Speaker
Do we think this gets awards buzz? No. No. None? None at all? I don't think so. No, I don't think it'll have...
01:11:35
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I don't think it'll have weight in that way. but Which is not a bad thing. What do you think of the score? Because it's very like almost kind of fantastical. It's a lot of like woodwind instruments, like a lot of clarinet and flute.
01:11:49
Speaker
feels very light. I'm going to be, I don't really remember it. I don't either. Like i was looking, i was looking at the crew and the Dan, Daniel Pemberton.
01:12:02
Speaker
Is that his name? i want to sure I'm getting that. Daniel Pemberton was the composer for this who recently just did Project Hail Mary. He's done Materialist, the Spider-Verse movies, Eddington that we just brought up earlier. So we brought up the score in Project Hail Mary. But like as I was driving home, i was like, I don't, I can't recall. It's just a lot of flute sounds to me. At least that that's what I remember.
01:12:26
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It's just a lot of flute and clarinet sounds. I don't know why it didn't stick out. um I guess maybe maybe because it was kind of ambient noise. I don't know. You're probably too stressed. not like a song. I was stressed. It was a big stress watch. Yeah, it was.
01:12:42
Speaker
Yeah, I was. it It really did reach uncut level gems. ohcut Uncut level gems. Uncut gem levels of anxiety. It's late, guys. For that last acted It is 1137 Central. It is.
01:12:56
Speaker
we're running i i mean, I yawned into the mic. All right. Let's close it out then. Anything else? Are you guys ready for ratings? I don't know if I can rate it yet, to be honest. I was thinking, i was like, are we going to be able to rate that quick?
01:13:13
Speaker
I'll say this. It's at least a four out of five. It's at least. For sure. It could be a four and a half. I'm comfortable with that. It won't anything below four. I think so too. It evoked pretty strong emotions out of, i would imagine, 90% of the audience today.
01:13:30
Speaker
Yeah. It's a very provocative movie. I don't think we'll have one. This is this year's Eddington. oh For better or for worse. It's that provocative. I'm going out on a limb. Wow.
01:13:43
Speaker
It's not too crazy to say. you know what? Let's keep look out. Or what people think about this movie. Guys, there's a new framey Eddington of the year.
01:13:56
Speaker
We'll walk it in All right, so we're not going to do our ratings. We're just going to keep it TBD. Sure. You know what, listener? You're going to follow us on Letterboxd to see what our ratings are. You'll to follow us on our socials and boost our algorithm. Follow the podcast on Letterboxd and follow our personals too. Please. Like whatever gets clipped from this on TikTok and Insta. I won't be in my pajamas the next time, I promise. You weren't in your pajamas last time. Yes, I was. You were actually in your pajamas? I was actually in my pajamas in the clip. You look your pajamas.
01:14:31
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I look good everywhere.
Closing Remarks and Audience Engagement
01:14:32
Speaker
What a handsome guy he is. Alex, everybody. Let's clap. Okay. Wow. Well, thank you guys so much for listening.
01:14:43
Speaker
feel like we're going keep talking about this movie over the next couple weeks. Probably. Yeah. Well, that was the drama. Let us know what you thought of it after you've seen it. But I hope you have a wonderful day, night, weekend, wherever you are. And we will see you guys in the next episode.
01:14:59
Speaker
Bye. Goodbye.