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Lost In The Outlaws - The Place Beyond The Pines and Roofman
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On todays episode we're taking a look at some of Derek Cianfrance's filmography, his latest movie Roofman and 2012s The Place Beyond The Pines.
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Introduction and Host Introductions
00:00:14
Speaker
If you ride like lightning, you're going to crash like thunder. Wise words for some characters in our in the movies we're going to cover today. And also for you excited Black Friday shoppers.
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I'm more of a Cyber Monday guy. oh are you? Did you get anything this year? No. Oh, okay. Not planning on it. Anyways, welcome to the Lost in the Frick podcast. My name is Tachi.
00:00:41
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My name is Malik. My name is Alex. How are you on Thanksgiving? Okay. Alright. Let's try that again. Should just restart?
00:00:51
Speaker
No, you're fine. I'm doing good. How are you guys? I'm doing up and down. It's up and down. your on My weight is going up.
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that a good thing? same. Is it like good weight, Tachi? Good weight? Um... I think it depends on your perspective.
00:01:13
Speaker
Well, what's your perspective? It's your body. My perspective? Yeah. Bad weight. Oh. Yeah. Is it because of Thanksgiving? Like a lot of food?
00:01:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. and Then it doesn't count. I think the pounds gained in November and December, there's like a big buffer for people.
00:01:35
Speaker
You're allowed this. Yeah, I just, I feel like it just might carry over into January and February and March and April and May and just never stop. and That sounds like there's some other things that need to be addressed that if it's
Thanksgiving and Pie Preferences
00:01:53
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carrying over that long. Well, maybe.
00:01:58
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How about you? How was your Thanksgiving? It was good. It was chill. um We made a pot roast. Nice. Which was delicious. So unconventional Thanksgiving meal.
00:02:09
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I hadn't made my lemon meringue pie. I've been having it every morning with my coffee and I love it. Wow. I want to try it. That's really nice. make another. Yeah. we We had three pies at mine. Key lime, pecan, and pumpkin.
00:02:24
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And I basically have a whole pie's worth of pie left. Because it just ended up being me, mom, dad, and sister. What's your favorite pie of the three? Pecan. But that key lime is good.
00:02:37
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It's from the ah Texan cafe and pie shop in Hutto, Texas. Yeah, yeah. I know the one. It is fire. The key lime there, it's absurd. Like, it's not even real.
00:02:50
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I was craving a lemon meringue pie like a month ago. And I was just looking, or not a not a lemon meringue pie, like a, I was trying to find like a French silk pie.
French Silk Pie Adventure in Austin
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um because village in this restaurant ah they don't have one in austin i don't know if you guys know about village inn but they have it no they have it in el paso but it's like a breakfast spot but they're also pretty famous for a lot of their pies like they've got all of their pies like front and center as soon as you walk in and so that's a big reason why people go and they have this french silk pie that is just the best thing i've ever had
00:03:24
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what What even is that? I don't know. i don't know is it like creamy? It's creamy. It's like a creamy chocolatey type of pie. Okay. But I was really craving one like a month ago and I wanted to see if anyone close to me does anything similar and that pie place in Hutto came up and they do have one so i need to i need to try it.
00:03:46
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That kind of sold me a bit more. You should. Get it this week. Let us know. I'll get it this week. Now, pecan pie, don't know about all that. i don't know if I jive with that.
00:03:58
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i Of course you're staying out. You're moving to California.
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You like pecan pie, Tachi? I do. I do. That's because Tachi's true SEC. That's right. You're real SEC in this pod.
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Except for me, I guess. Yeah. kid i'm not a I'm not a big nut guy. Small nut guy? Yeah, no, I'm like a no nut guy. Oh, no nut. Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:26
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yeah It's like no nut November for me. Like sad month, 12 months a year. Oh, sad year. And I mean like eating nuts. Oh, thought we were talking about something else.
Zootopia 2's Success in China
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um Yeah, today we're talking about Place Beyond the Pines and Roof Man. And I'm very excited to talk about these movies. Before we get into to that, we've got a few pieces of movie news and then we'll get into today's movies.
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Zootopia 2 earned $556 million in the first 48 hours? yeah that's I think like a third of that came from China. Their big Zootopia heads over there? Apparently. there's There's a reason why... I think they built like a Zootopia park in Shanghai. It's apparently because China's got like Zootopia stands out the wazoo.
00:05:19
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Like... Innocent bands or... No, I mean, yeah, like, it just... The Hot Heads. Zootopia does numbers over there. Okay. No, they're not Judy Hopstans. You're talking about the Gooners? Yeah. I saw one post. That's what a movie needs.
00:05:36
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i I saw this one post, and it was like, pick one of these, they gotta go, and it was the mom from Big Hero 6, Mrs... or, yeah, Mrs. is Incredible slash Elastigirl, and then, like...
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oh I forget who the third one was, but the fourth one was Judy Hopps. The third one was like another like human female woman. And the fourth one was the rabbit.
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And like the tweet quoting it was like, you've got to be kidding me. There's a whole other world out there I'm not familiar with. What happened in your life that you are a Judy Hopps gooner?
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I've seen the TikToks. theyre i Not of Judy Hopps, but like the people. Right. right Of course. Yes. yeah Exactly. My feet is fine. I mean, at the end of the day, like it's it's a rabbit, guys. It's not even like Lola Rabbit or Lola Bunny where she's like... you know like Humanoid?
00:06:43
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Yeah, like a sort of... What's the word? Anthropomorphic? Yeah. It's just a rabbit. Yeah. like which is weird lola bunny i understand i had a crush on lola bunny as a child hell as a man judy hops
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you know i wanted to laugh but i just i wanted to make you sit in that a little bit longer just even more i could see i could see the mouth is just like shut and i was like oh no oh no
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not I'm not alone in this. I
Quentin Tarantino's Animated Kill Bill Sequel
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don't <unk> care. I'll speak for us. As a podcast. No, you're right. That is our podcast official stance. I also huge stretch. parents listened to this pod, by the way.
00:07:31
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Anyway, um Tarantino has plans for an animated Kill Bill sequel. Now, why is this like a full on sequel or is this the little snippet that we're getting in Fortnite?
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where Where do you go, though? Where do you go from? Like, where do you go from here? Anywhere. We've seen it done many times. Why do you go from here?
00:07:56
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i think because he's scared to make his 10th and final film. was gonna say, if it's a full on sequel, does this count as 10? He doesn't even count Kill Bill as multiple movies anymore.
00:08:09
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I wouldn't. That's soft. He's like, it's one. It's one movie. Supposedly, it's about to be ah about Bill and his backstory, which I feel like isn't really the point of Kill Bill or what people want.
00:08:23
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Is Tarantino cooked? He might be. So what's going on in Fortnite? You guys are big Fortnite fans? PTA continuing one battle after another story through Fortnite? I feel like i've been seeing that this is coming for months, and every time that I think it's going to come out, it just doesn't come out.
00:08:42
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Where are they going to go from here? don't know. And will turn proximity chat on I can hit some little kid with, you like black girls? Black tracks. You know they have a proximity chat game mode in Fortnite now, right, Alex?
00:08:57
Speaker
Yeah, I still have yet to play it. It's fun. it's ah It's only out on the weekends, though. Like, Friday through Sunday, Delulu. Dude, no. what We need weeknight yeah real worker hours. yeah I feel like this has been like the testing ground for like a full-on proximity chat.
00:09:14
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is it Is it live on the Battle Bus? No, the Battle Bus driver actually the battle bus driver's actually dead now. Huh? Yeah, he just got blown up on Friday. Or on Saturday. Oh my yeah now but Now you surf. Now you surf in.
00:09:29
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Oh. The Battle Bus, like, in the little video they had... he was driving the battle bus as he does he
Fortnite's Proximity Chat Mode
00:09:36
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was riding towards the monster and it fucking shot him and it blew the bus up monster now when you like thank the bus driver at the beginning of the at the beginning of the match it says that you paid your respects to the bus driver because he's dead that's so sad what monster i don't know i don't really know the whole like the fortnight monster night lore yeah is there fortnight lore
00:10:00
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There's apparently a lot of Fortnite lore. There's like ah like a story embedded in each of these chapters. and like it It has been going on for a while. Couldn't tell you what it is. Does anyone actually pay attention to it? I think that's where little kids maybe pay attention.
00:10:18
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It's like a story geared for them. but i'm sure there's at least one historian clued in on this. There has to be. I don't know. i just I just turn it on and I get dubs and you go on with my day. You just bully little kids.
00:10:34
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I guess so. And I'm fine with that. You should It's actually pretty based.
00:10:41
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Macaulay Culkin planning to return for Home Alone Legacy sequel. No thank you. Boo.
00:10:49
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Did you see what he said about it? He was like, it could be about me and my son and the house is a metaphor for our relationship. It's like Macaulay. Oh, honey.
00:11:01
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I get it. the times are Times are tough right now. I don't blame him. Recession indicator. literally Here's another recession indicator. Rush Hour 4 in production.
00:11:14
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And yeah this was Greenland with the help of Donald Trump. A lot of people are saying I love Rush Hour. We love Jackie Chan. i was going to say, as much as I love the Rush Hour series and I grew up watching it, I just i don't really want to see 75-year-old Jackie Chan just you know going through the motions.
00:11:35
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Really slow motions now. but yeah do think he just misses Do you think Trump just misses like overt racism in movies? Maybe. Maybe. Just how things used to be.
00:11:47
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Yeah. The good old days. He's like, I want Jackie Chan to say the N word. but I want him to say it. in this Is this you saying it or or Trump's demand? This is Trump. I'm just not going to do the impersonation because someone on this pod is the king of doing it. So I'm not even you like try to do the impersonation? Go ahead.
00:12:06
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I want Jackie Chan to say the N word. We, it is a must have for America. We need it. I need it. Please. It's amazing watching you transform just instantaneously. You're, you're in this zone.
00:12:24
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Yeah, I do it pretty good, but I do it too much. It's like, it's like that. It's like that Pagliacci joke. You know, the one Pagliacci clown can't say I do.
00:12:35
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All right. um So this guy goes into a doctor's office and he's a doctor. I'm depressed. And the doctor's like, oh, you're depressed. Like that happens, man. Like, know, sorry to hear that. But, um you know, there's this great clown coming into town, Pagliacci.
00:12:55
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She goes, see him. He cheers everybody up. The guy goes, but doctor, you don't understand. Pagliacci. Pagliacci. But in my reality, I'm Pagliacci. When people come up to me, they they want me to do the Trump voice. So I do the Trump voice.
00:13:12
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But now, like, I go to the doctor and I say, I can't stop doing the Trump voice. I need help. And, yeah, it's getting bad. It's hard to hear that. think that joke was in Watchmen, by the way.
00:13:25
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Both comic and movie. So you guys need to brush up on your Zack Snyder lore. I guess so. I'm sorry. don't think I've seen it since it released originally.
00:13:36
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Last piece of news before we get into the today's movies. Scarlett Johansson set to star in a new Exorcist movie. No thanks.
00:13:47
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Today's news was a bunch of no's. We skipped the How to Make a Killing trailer. Yeah. That was yes. yes that Yes. That's a pleading yes.
00:14:00
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Please be good. So it's Glenn Powell on a twenty four Bit of an interesting crossover, but I'm excited. I'm going to say it. Glenn, I mean, not Glenn. Glenn Powell is my dog. Okay. dude same First of all, before we i even hop into my hot take, do you see Glenn Powell said he would rather have the Longhorns win a national championship than ever win an Oscar.
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wow
A24's Shift Towards Mainstream Films
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Wow. didn't see that. that's a dog. That is a dog right there. That's huge. um He said, he's like, I've always dreamed of UT winning. I've never dreamed of winning an Oscar, which I actually respect a lot. Like, you know, um the anti Timmy.
00:14:40
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Yeah, the anti-Timmy, but I think both valid mindsets. Yeah. But my hot take is I don't think A24 is the studio that we think they are at this point.
00:14:52
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They've gotten really mainstream and really like commercial. Yeah. I think Neon is what they were now. I agree. I think we've brought this point up before, too.
00:15:06
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I'm to bring it up again and pretend it's wholly original. It is original for the sake of content. What, what moves have they made that make you feel that way? Um, I mean, they, I think the quality of their movie has started to shift more towards general audience instead of them pushing the boundaries. Now this isn't the case for every movie because I mean, they produced Eddington and that movie was literally made to push everyone's buttons. yeah Um, and it was great, but,
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I think the average A24 movie now is a lot more of a people pleaser and like trying to be a little Oscar baby than they were originally. So I think of like the smashing machine now, like, yeah, that could have been under any studio and it would have felt exactly the same.
00:15:54
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You know, um, I don't think I'm the only reason that it was under a 24 is because they had a working relationship with the Safdies before. But it was pretty clear, like, straight up Oscar bait.
00:16:09
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And i I enjoyed that movie. I thought it was solid. I didn't think he was anything special. Like, the longer I sat on it, the more I was like, ah, it was fine. Solid. But i think just, you know, they're getting a lot more commercialized now, too. Like,
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all the merch drops they do and you know how they roll stuff. It it just seems like very like inauthentic now. There's like a little too much. a They're leaning too hard into the stick. It's becoming a little too commercialized.
00:16:42
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I feel like this is what they've been doing for a while though. So do you think the issue is just how big they've gotten? i mean, cause like 2019, like I had a couple A24 shirts. I've got an A24 poster hanging in my room I've had this poster for like six years now.
00:16:59
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And not to say that they were like this, like, Oh, unknown like movie house, like six years ago, but they're definitely a lot more mainstream now. So do you think the issue is just how big the audience is now?
00:17:12
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Well, I think they've kind of hit the the point now where they are money chasing, which is fine. They're a business at the end of the day. um But I think they've sacrificed their core on what brought them there.
00:17:28
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And I think eventually they'll alienate their core audience doing a private equity move of trying to as eyes as possible. appease as many eyes as possible Instead of focusing on, you know, quality out there productions from not super mainstream directors and actors.
00:17:51
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I guess we'll see what the future holds at day 24, but on the horizon, they got Marty Supreme coming up. They do got Marty Supreme coming up. Guys, I need a fucking jacket. I need that jacket more than I need to breathe. Is it still sold out?
00:18:06
Speaker
Well, i mean, they haven't dropped it. I, but the last time it' all All they had was ah a pop-up in New York City. Got it. Okay, okay, okay. It has not been like, there hasn't been a drop online. I turned on A24's notifications on Twitter.
00:18:20
Speaker
Like I notified every time they tweet. So I'm ready for it. Gotcha. So yes, they're mainstream. Yes, they're selling out. But as soon as those jackets drop, I'm spending that money. And I'm getting me one. I'm getting me a Marty Supreme jacket.
00:18:33
Speaker
I hope you do. All right.
Exploring 'The Place Beyond the Pines'
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First film we're talking about today. And we were talking about these two movies specifically because I think there's a lot of similarities between the two and they have the same director, which we'll get into First movie for today is The Place Beyond the Pines.
00:18:48
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This came out in 2012, directed by Derek Cienfranc. The synopsis reads, a motorcycle stunt writer considers committing a crime in order to provide for his wife and child, an act that puts him on a collision course with a cop turned politician. And this is starring Ryan Gosling, Bradley Cooper, Eva Mendez, Rose Byrne, Ray Liotta, and Ben Mendelsohn.
00:19:12
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Before we get into our thoughts, we have our letterbox love like loath. Alex with our five star review today, Tachi with the three, and me with the one. So I'll kick it to Alex for his five star review.
00:19:25
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So my five star review today comes from Luna. Luna said, this movie has crazy accuracy to upstate New York, even down to the news reporter. I think it hit harder because I've walked and driven those exact streets and I've stopped at that exact bank. This movie was so good. Again, I may be very biased and partial, but the way they melted the real headlines with this story gave me chills.
00:19:48
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My three-star review comes in from Cameron. Blonde-tatted Ryan Gosling is a church, and I'm the 90-year-old Baptist woman on her knees screaming hallelujah. Thanks for that, Cameron.
00:20:01
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And our one star comes from Trey. One star. Turned it off when Ryan Gosling... Oh, this has a spoiler. Spoiler... Oh, my God. Spoiler discussions from this point on for Place Beyond the Pines.
00:20:14
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You have been warned. Three, two, one. Turned it off when Ryan Gosling died. Who the fuck wants to watch a Bradley Cooper cop movie? Could be valid. It is a fairly, like... It's like, what, a decade old now? I mean...
00:20:28
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This movie has been on my watch list for a very long time. Since it was released? Maybe not that long, but for at least a few years.
00:20:40
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i did Did I tell you to put it on your watch list? No, I think we had talked about it, and I went to go put on my watch list, and i told you, I was like, oh, it's already on my watch list. Because when I scrolled down so...
00:20:55
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So this one and Roofman were my first ah Derek Sanfrance films. Like I haven't even seen Blue Valentine. I went back on my watch list. Blue Valentine is like the 10th movie on my watch list, like at the very bottom.
00:21:07
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And so Place Beyond the Pines was somewhere around there. So that I'm going to guess that they've both been on my watch list since maybe 2019, 2020 at least.
00:21:20
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Touch your mouth is agape. What happened? I'm going through his filmography. He has a movie in 2020 called I Know This Much Is True. It's got, it looks like it's got Mark Ruffalo as two different characters just on the poster.
00:21:33
Speaker
It's a TV show. Oh. Yeah. i look at i saw the I saw the runtime and I was like, what? Like i saw the poster and I was like, isn't this a TV show? And then I saw the runtime and i was like, oh, okay. It is it is the show. okay I think it's on HBO. I heard it's pretty good.
00:21:47
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Yeah. I mean, it's rated really highly on Letterboxd. It's 4.2 stars. Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys want to give your ratings for what you gave this movie now? You already gave mine. I cut it.
00:21:59
Speaker
It's probably getting cut. yeah. I forgot. I was just hating. I don't know. I don't know if I've got mine. I think this could be waiting post discussion. Okay.
00:22:10
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Well, we'll wait. I do. Okay. But we can wait. We can wait post discussion. Okay. I'll see. We'll see if I waver. All right. And we'll kick it off with what works for us for this movie.
00:22:22
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alex i do want to ask you first before when did you watch this movie and like what is your relationship to it as a fellow cyclist is that what we call you yeah but biker boy biker boy so for those who don't know So for those who don't know, i i do ride motorcycles. um I've been doing it for quite a long time.
00:22:46
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um And I specifically, my specialty is I love riding dual sports. So like dirt bikes that, you know, also have license plates and they go on the road. I love adventure riding.
00:23:02
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So the first time I saw this movie, I was on a plane over the Atlantic Ocean. Flying back from Germany. This is 2015. This July 2015. keen this is july twenty fifteen maybe August, uh, later July, 2015 and, or no, maybe it was 24. It was 2014. Thank you. It's 2014. Um, but this is important. Um, so I had just, you know, my parents had advised me that when I was coming back from Europe, that I need to stay up and not go to sleep on the flight or else I will be screwed when I land back in, uh, Boston.
00:23:43
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My sleep schedule would be done, gone. I mean, I'm already jet lagged, but you know the the case the easy way to get through it is just kind of like thug it out. you know yeah um So I just watched a movie. I don't remember what I watched in the slightest, but my buddy, who was sitting like a couple rows behind me, was like, you need to watch this movie, The Place Beyond the Pines.
00:24:01
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It's got Ryan Gosling and the girl from The Fast and the Furious in it. I'm like, which one? He was like, Eva Mendez, Too Fast, Too Furious. And I'm like, oh sold ah um and then funny enough like halfway through like i realized everybody was watching the lego movie and i was like oh and this when this finishes i'm gonna go watch the lego movie and i ended up doing that but so i watched this movie for the first time on an airplane over the atlantic in july 2014 and my mind was completely blown um
00:24:36
Speaker
I did not have a dirt bike at this point. i didn't have anything. um And I believe it was like two months later, i bought my first dirt bike because of this movie.
00:24:54
Speaker
That's insane. um And if it wasn't my first dirt bike, if my timeline is messed up, I am getting over a cold as you can probably tell. Um, but if my timeline is at, my timeline could be very messed up.
00:25:08
Speaker
I may have already had the dirt bike, but the next thing I bought was a dual sport. I do remember that. And cause it was a nineteen ninety s Suzuki one the, the metal, uh,
00:25:21
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i had the the metal gas tank and had that boxy square look and it looked just like the one in the place beyond the pines except it was a 125 and it was absolutely slow as dirt um but it's what i learned how to do a clutch on a motorcycle on And me and my friends all named it Pine Bike after this movie.
00:25:45
Speaker
Wow. So, um yeah, this movie is, it's it's got some got some weight in the Alex lexicon. And, you know, I've seen it like three or four times since. And...
00:26:00
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and you know the one thing I will say, and we can kind of segue into like the what works for us, is i think one of the reasons that I also fell in love with this movie so much is um my grandparents lived up in...
00:26:20
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Upstate New York. and so the reason i picked that comment was not just because tay stole my original fivear review which was if if you're going to ride light lightning you're going to crash like thunder because i love that quote um It's also because it's like, yeah, part of the reason I love that movie is it just it feels like going up to see my grandparents. Now, my grandparents lived more in the southern tier and Schenectady is in like more upstate towards like the Adirondacks ish.
00:26:49
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It's like kind of near like. I think like Northwest of Albany is where it is. I've been, I've been through it once, but that was just driving through it one time. um But I mean, it still has that feel of like an upstate New York and it just captures it so perfectly.
00:27:06
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um And so I just, Like it's a movie that I think immerses you so well in its setting that you can't, especially if you're familiar with it, you can't help but be like, oh man, it really feels like I'm here.
00:27:22
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um That's one of the things that works super well for me. And obviously anything with the motorcycles works for me, but the whole first act I think is amazing. from from the beginning, the absolute beginning at the carnival to how it ends, I think it's like no notes at all. I think it's flawless. yeah Everything about it is perfect.
00:27:42
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Yeah, going back to what you said about the overall like visual setting, I can only imagine what it's like having some like personal familiarity with that because i don't have any familiarity the way that you do, but me just watching this like in my living room, like i can like I felt like I could just like feel everything.
00:28:02
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like The visual style and the visual language in this movie is so I guess easy to digest and easy to just lost in.
00:28:14
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um It was like like spectacular, like you said, like that from that opening shot of him walking through the circus immediately, like I was locked in. You know I bought a butterfly knife because of that opening shot. So was this was this... Would you consider this your first and maybe biggest contributor to the I'm Him cinematic universe with Ryan Gosling? Yes. Like this is my Ryan Gosling. This is your Ryan Gosling?
00:28:41
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Yeah, this is my... like if If you had to pick one Ryan Gosling, it's this one. Not only is he like this... like sensitive young bad boy and he rides motorcycles but he just like I think the romance piece is just beautiful you know and you know this is where he met Eva Mendez was on the set and now they've been married since that' they've been together since and they're married and they have kids and you never hear anything about them we've already talked about that before
00:29:16
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Yeah, I think for this one, we can honestly break this up into like perfect three chunks of like what works for us, what doesn't per act.
Underappreciation of 'The Place Beyond the Pines'
00:29:23
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Tachi, did you have anything you wanted to say? Personally, I loved all of the performances. I know a lot of the critics don't love the second half.
00:29:32
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after a really pivotal moment in the movie, like when Ryan dies. ah Whoa! I forgot that movie already spoiled it. I already called the spoiler. Yeah. um Yeah, no, the I felt like the performances for like almost every actor were super believable and awesome and really engrossing.
00:29:56
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Ryan Gosling puts on a fantastic performance in this. He plays the, he does play like the bad boy, but oh, I'm sensitive so well.
00:30:08
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It's kind of scary. The, just the, the, the robbery sequences alone just to give you that. And it's so satisfying. Mm-hmm. The robbery is like loosely based off like a true story.
00:30:23
Speaker
Like very loosely. um There was like a real criminal who did something like that. but Seems likely.
00:30:34
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Yeah. Like down to the voice cracks. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe not down to that. But. I will say as much as I love Ryan Gosling, I don't think he's a great yeller.
00:30:48
Speaker
Yeah, I know what you mean. Like if I was in that bank and I heard the voice crack, I'd be like, all right, guy. yeah But it also kind of just like shows that he's not... like this isn't This isn't what he wants to do. He's not that guy.
00:31:02
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yeah like He's very much... like there's like he's he's a more He's a morally great character. You're not that guy, pal. He's a morally great character. And obviously that's the entire point of not only his character, but basically everybody in this movie is these good people having to do maybe not so good things to either provide for their family or or take that next step in life. But he really was trying to put his foot forward in and wanting to provide. I mean, the second he finds out that he's a father, he quits his job and immediately wants to bring himself into the picture to to try to help raise this kid despite there being another man in the picture.
00:31:47
Speaker
And that other man was Mahershala Ali. And I was very surprised to see him in this very stacked cast. Really stacked cast. like I loved it. Way more than I was expecting. Like as soon as like the the title card came up and we're seeing everybody who's in the movie, I was like, oh, oh,
00:32:03
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Oh, just seeing like all the names. And I was like, this is going to be, this is going to be a good one. Yeah. I just, I love these ensemble cast when the movie is also really good. It's, it's really satisfying.
00:32:16
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You guys are the only people I know that like outside of you guys, I've not heard anything from this movie. Maybe that's because it is 13 years old at this point, but do you guys feel like this is like underappreciated, underrated?
00:32:33
Speaker
I think it is. It's. I've seen online discourse about it, like tangent to the literally me stuff. You'll see it used in like the memes.
00:32:45
Speaker
um So, I mean, people are like watching it. People are talking about it. But I think in like the Ryan Gosling verse is probably like C tier in terms of popularity.
00:32:57
Speaker
I hadn't really heard much about it at all, really, until we started talking about it. I was watching like a couple YouTube reviews for this movie, and all the comments are like like no like, not many people know about this movie, but I love it. like Every comment I see is just like singing the praises for this movie while also talking about like how underrated or how underappreciated they they think it is.
00:33:19
Speaker
I'm hoping that with... what seems like the success of roof man that people go back to Derek C and Francis filmography and start and checking it out. I mean, i i think I'm a perfect example of that. Like I spoiler loved roof, man.
00:33:35
Speaker
I love this. So I got to check out everything else that he has for sure. What some standout scenes for act to one for you guys? And then we can move out, move on to act two.
00:33:47
Speaker
It's like asking me to pick which one of my toes I want to cut off. You get to keep all your toes. You just got to talk about all of them. oh
00:33:58
Speaker
Oh, what was his name? The mechanic guy, Ben Mendelsohn. Yeah. What's the character's name? I don't remember the character's name. It's like Ben or something. ah We'll just call him Ben. Yeah, we'll we'll call him Ben.
00:34:11
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um Oh, that's his real name. um We'll call him Dan. No, I really liked his his friendship with with Ryan, as as far as you can call it a friendship, um at least a working relationship.
00:34:24
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They were really fun to watch on screen together. I think the motorcycle chase scenes were, for me, just top-notch. That's what I was going to say. The after the that third bank robbery, I think it was that motorcycle chasing through the graveyard.
00:34:38
Speaker
Oh, my good God. The scenes, though, that don't involve motorcycles that really stick out to me are. um It's the ice cream scene with Eva Mendez and the baby.
00:34:50
Speaker
I mean, that's just. It was something else. That's good stuff. real ice cream parlor it burned down apparently oh no way that's a shame yeah yeah i really like the ice cream scene especially when it comes back a little bit later on in the movie that motorcycle chase scene was like so electric like giving me like a similar feeling that i had for the chasing in one battle after another just like for the way it was shot.
00:35:19
Speaker
Like a lot of this movie is like on handheld, like handheld camera. And like we're saying, it's lot of long takes through, through hallways and different buildings. I think just adds to the realism of the movie. And that chase scene is no exception.
00:35:35
Speaker
Like, exceptional and from that chasing it leads us through to get to act two he gets followed into one of the houses by a cop bradley cooper who's a green cop he's been in this for six months that we find out later on and they have an altercation upstairs gosling falls out the window and that took me like by complete surprise like he fell out and i was like oh shit and we see the shot of the pool of blood behind him and i was like okay well he's
00:36:07
Speaker
he's not surviving that. So like, where else are we, where else are we going in this movie? I'm like, I think we're like 50 minutes into this. Right. Like where, where are we going? Did that take you guys for a shock?
00:36:19
Speaker
It did. Absolutely. And, and picking up on, i don't know. I really liked the way that Bradley played that scene. Um, and, and kind of the the subsequent sequences about like,
00:36:33
Speaker
I guess the celebration of what he did and kind of how things were twisted in certain ways. I don't know if it's just like an internet bit, you know, people just not loving Bradley Cooper, but I think he was really exceptional in this movie and it it really wouldn't have been the same without him.
00:36:51
Speaker
So I love Bradley Cooper. Do people what? Do people not love Bradley Cooper? I don't know. I think he lost some goodwill after Maestro. ah Because that whole thing was cringe.
00:37:05
Speaker
i still I still haven't seen it. I feel like a lot of his earlier work, though, like roles like this, he's he's pretty stellar. Yeah, Silver Linings Point book. I feel like this was kind of around the same time time period.
00:37:19
Speaker
yeah He was in his bag, for sure. He was. um i i mean, i we'll eventually get to like what doesn't work for us, but I do have to say... There's not a lot that doesn't work for me in this movie. like No.
00:37:35
Speaker
Like, I really, really loved this movie. it's It's really nitpicking for me. Like, I think for me, the only thing that, like, flat out, it's like, ooh, my biggest complaint is I don't think the pacing of the second section... That's where I was going to go....is as good as one and three.
00:37:50
Speaker
That's where I was going It flows weird, and and that's it. It does flow weird. I think it's just because I was caught by, like... I was so caught off guard about like losing Ryan Gosling where once we're kind of sitting and familiar with, okay, we're just, that storyline is done.
00:38:08
Speaker
Now we're with Bradley Cooper's character. It's a little bit slow me. from ah from like a pacing standpoint, I think until we get towards the end of his act, when we start getting into like the whole um corruption and everything with Ray Liotta's character, then I think it starts
Themes of Corruption in 'The Place Beyond the Pines'
00:38:24
Speaker
picking up. And so like for the cons that I wrote down, it was literally just the pacing of the start of the second act. But I do think on rewatches, i don't think that's going to be an issue for me.
00:38:36
Speaker
Just because I now know it's coming, that it feels like a very intentional slowdown. It's not a huge issue for me on rewatches. Yeah. Good. And I think the third act, by the time you get to the third act, you don't really feel it anymore.
00:38:50
Speaker
Yeah. Like just even in general, it's like if I had to rank them, I'd put one, three, two in which is the best. But I think one and three are just phenomenal. I think two is really good.
00:39:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But the standout scene for me in act two is when Ray Liotta comes over to the house with all the other cop buddies to Bradley Cooper's house.
00:39:15
Speaker
They're having the the lunch and then they take Bradley Cooper out and they go to Eva Mendes' house for this search walkthrough. That had me at the edge of my seat.
00:39:28
Speaker
Ray Liotta has such a small part in this. May he rest in peace. But he is on fire. He is so good in this. when When he passed, actually, I didn't really understand why it was a big deal.
00:39:40
Speaker
But now that I've watched this movie and Goodfellas, yeah, I like him. He's a great actor. Yeah. Way to go, Ray.
00:39:52
Speaker
Standout scenes for Act 2 for you guys? I don't know. I don't know if I have a standout scene in particular. I just loved seeing Bradley Cooper's character's, uh, descent into police hell, I guess.
00:40:08
Speaker
Good guy or a good cop. Hell good. Yeah. I don't know what I'm saying. I know what you're saying. His, his, uh, exposure to corruption. The, the walkthrough for me and then like him trying to give it back.
00:40:23
Speaker
I guess the most powerful part of the, um Yeah, they do another long take when he gets back to work and all the cops are like at the door, like cheering him on and everything. And fault the camera was just following him into the elevator.
00:40:36
Speaker
And then you see that grin just like slowly fade away. Like right there, I was just like, man This movie rocks. Honestly, even back to when he woke up in the gurney at the hospital and the DA was questioning him, some of the tension building there just planting the seeds. I'm like, what is going on?
00:40:57
Speaker
Where is this headed? And it's a very it's a very complicated emotion. like As we're following Bradley Cooper, like he's it feels like the DA is wanting him to say like a certain aspect of how the the shooting went down and trying to get it out of him. And you can immediately see in the, in the hospital that Bradley Cooper is like hesitant on how to tell the story, like of who shot first.
00:41:23
Speaker
Right. Until like the DA basically has to spill it for him. me he's just kind of agreeing. He's like, right, right. And so he does a great job throughout the entire movie, like balancing this,
00:41:34
Speaker
this like ambition that he has to want to move up, like, especially um when he meets with the chief and he's like, Oh, like, I think I can do X, Y, and Z. And the chief kind of just shuts him down.
00:41:44
Speaker
So him balancing that ambition with the guilt that he had of knowing that he did shoot first is insane. And it takes us to act three.
00:41:57
Speaker
How'd you guys feel about this one? Loved it. I think I loved it. i just, this feels like the nitpicky part for me is i don't know that I loved um Bradley Cooper's son's performance.
00:42:15
Speaker
Emery Cohen. Yeah. It's, it kind of feels like that's the point. Like he's overcompensating for a lot of things. He, he's really, really insecure and has a lot of problems, but I don't know. i just, sometimes I felt a little annoyed with him on screen, but really liked Dayton Han.
00:42:37
Speaker
This was like the first time I've watched Dayton Han and had a really good time. Do you usually not have a good time with him? I mean, did you watch that? cool Did you watch that movie with Cara Delving? Valerian city of 10,000 plants or whatever. Yeah. The trailer was enough for me to just don't know. Did you watch that movie with him? Because I didn't. Because he was a bad in it.
00:43:05
Speaker
He's good in Chronicle. Yeah, I need to watch Chronicle. He plays a troubled teen very well. I'd like to see him pop back. Oh, wait, no, he was in Oppenheimer. He was really good in Oppenheimer. Mm-hmm.
00:43:17
Speaker
He plays a creep like a something a little free something a little freak. um One thing that maybe I should have brought up earlier when talking about what works in acts three act three has some incredible needle drops.
00:43:33
Speaker
Oh my God. Yeah, does there's an I think act one as well. Um, In Act 1 specifically, there's the ah the needle drop after the first bank heist of Dancing in the Dark by ah um Bruce Springsteen.
00:43:51
Speaker
And ah there's also the first needle drop of the um the original soundtrack by Mike Patton.
00:44:02
Speaker
It's called Snow Angel on the score. And ah it's just like that piano chord. You know the one. um And then when that shows up a second time, when ah the son, Ryan Gosling's son, is riding his bicycle, just peak.
Emotional Depth of the Third Act
00:44:23
Speaker
And then standout scene for me, which is a little weird because I think a lot of Act 3 is great. My favorite scene, the one that sticks with me the most, is the very last scene where he buys a motorcycle and rides it away in the the autumn, and there's the Bon Iver needle drop.
00:44:44
Speaker
It made me wanna cry. Dude. Like I nearly teared up. That scene was just like, I need to buy a motorcycle and drive across the country, and I've done that, and I wanna do it again. it's all because of that movie. The itch of me having a motorcycle comes up every few months, and it eats at me like a virus. and I always talk myself out of it. This movie doesn't help.
00:45:07
Speaker
I think a standout scene for me in act three is Ryan Gosling's son finding Ben Mendelsohn's character as he's giving him like kind of a walkthrough of like where trying to find out who his dad is like to this point,
00:45:22
Speaker
His mom had been telling him that his dad died in a car crash earlier. He didn't even know his name. He's been raised by his mom and Mahershala Ali's character who takes the place of was of his father like since he was a baby. And so he knows nothing about his dad.
00:45:38
Speaker
And he's wanting to find out more information. And finally, his dad, at the same ice cream parlor that Ryan Gosling took him to when he was a baby to give him ice cream for the first time, that's where he finds out the name of his real father.
00:45:52
Speaker
And I was just like, as soon as the scene cut to that, i was just like, all right, man, hands up. They got my ass with this. And he gives him the name of his dad, finds Ben Mendelsohn's character.
00:46:04
Speaker
And once he gives him the glasses and he rides his bike on like the same road that his dad was, but i was just, I was just, it was just over for me.
00:46:20
Speaker
It was beautiful. Yeah, for sure. It was, as the kids say, absolute cinema. Absolutely.
00:46:31
Speaker
the the final The final scene when he's buying the motorcycle and and and riding off into the distance, that is the that's the title, right? The Place Beyond the Pines? Yeah.
00:46:44
Speaker
like he's He's escaped his... I don't know. Well, Place Beyond the Pines is what I think Schenectady, which is the town that it's you know filmed in, supposed to take place in.
00:46:58
Speaker
Pretty sure in like Iroquois, that's what Schenectady loosely translates into, is the Place Beyond the Pines.
00:47:06
Speaker
That's neat. That is neat. But I think it also thematically works fantastically. Yeah. For those of you not familiar with the Northeast and our weird name conventions, I want you to look at Schenectady and see if that's how you think it should be pronounced.
00:47:22
Speaker
And then do the same with Poughkeepsie, Woonsocket. I love how Poughkeepsie looks. I love the way the word looks. Good-looking word.
00:47:34
Speaker
Pow. Like, puff. Pow. Puff. Puff.
00:47:39
Speaker
um Like I said, i can't really... i can't really nitpick much from this movie. Like, this was... This is crazy that it's been in my watch list for this long. This makes me just want to go into the rest of my watch list. I'm like, all right, there's got to be some real gold in here.
00:47:56
Speaker
Because I saw some today. i i mean, I've had that happen. So you watch it it's like why did I wait? Why did I wait? What took me so long to watch this Ryan Gosling, Eva Mendes, Ben Mendelsohn movie?
00:48:09
Speaker
I was it just sitting collecting dust in my watch list. Well, you learned your lesson. I did i'm glad I'm glad today was the day. want to final ratings? ah Yeah.
00:48:21
Speaker
Yeah, I'm ready. I gave this a four and a half, and it can easily, easily swing to a five. but Why doesn't it?
00:48:32
Speaker
Today is not that day. Today is not that day. There's no reason why it doesn't. Like i said, like Act 2 just... the pacing of act two, I guess kind of does it for me. But like I said, I truly do think that will go away on rewatches.
00:48:53
Speaker
And like the second time I watched this, when I can pay more, like pay a little bit more attention to like the needle drops and everything like that, I think I can really just see myself getting enveloped in this, like all over once again and and in a deeper way.
00:49:09
Speaker
I hear all that, and i think that's very valid. But you're wrong, dude. This is five stars. gave this four and half. This is a ten out of ten. I mean, you're inconscionable. This is another patented Alex ten.
00:49:26
Speaker
We have two now, and y'all have zero, because you guys hate film. Oh, do we really have zero? Wait, what's your first one? so It was The Exorcist. Oh. Ah, yes.
00:49:37
Speaker
Wait, how high up is Warfare? Or if it was nine, so four and a half. Oh, okay. Well, for me, o after my first viewing, or my only viewing, I was really happy with the four.
00:49:53
Speaker
I was settled.
00:49:56
Speaker
But... Whoa.
00:50:01
Speaker
There's been a development. I think you're right. on ah On a rewatch, I will just automatically... be enjoying the movie more because I've already seen it and I know that I really like it and I'll be able to keep an eye out for, you know, certain things that i just really wasn't able to capture, um all at once. And in the first time, like the needle drops, like you had already said, so I'm ready for post discussion bump from four to 4.5.
00:50:33
Speaker
Dude, this movie great. Yeah. It's really awesome. And you know what? I like when expectations are subverted as long as it's like within the realm of, you know, possibility.
00:50:49
Speaker
Yeah. Possibility or just like reason. not like that piece of trash the last jedi yeah that's anyway let's not get into that again it just works so well for this movie and like as i was scrolling the one stars a lot of people are saying that this movie's boring they hate that they hate the switch up of like when ryan gosling dies and now we're following bradley cooper and now we're following their kids and i'm like that's fine. Everyone has their taste. Like you can, you can like what you like and you, you don't like what you don't like, but like when it's the entire point of the film and that's the overall like thematic message that it's trying to drive home is this generational trauma that we can carry without even knowing it.
00:51:39
Speaker
It, to me, that just, it just exceeds on, on every single level that it, that it wanted to. Well said. All right. I hope this next movie is good.
00:51:51
Speaker
you still don't know i'm not sure the next movie talking about is roof man also directed by derek sean france and this one came out earlier this year um the synopsis reads a former army ranger and struggling father turns to robbing mcdonald's restaurants by cutting holes in their roofs earning him the nickname roof man after escaping prison he secretly lives inside a toys r us for six months surviving undetected while planning his next move And this is starring Channing Tatum, Kirsten Dunst, Ben Mendelsohn, Lakeith Stanfield, Juno Temple, and Peter Dinklage.
00:52:29
Speaker
Alex with our five to kick off our letterboxd love like loathe. So I have two five stars. I can't read one of them without just butchering this segment. But the first one is from Jackson Bali.
00:52:44
Speaker
who said they're calling it the uncut gems of roof movies. yeah And I think that's actually fair. Like a lie saw a lot of this movie, like kind of stressed out, but the, uh, the other five star review comes from Aaron, just Aaron.
00:53:01
Speaker
And it was, uh, his name, Jeff.
00:53:06
Speaker
I was kind of disappointed that his name was Jeff. I was like, fuck, I'm going be thinking of that the entire runtime. Literally. My name's Jeff.
00:53:16
Speaker
All right, this three-star review comes in from Adam Best. Catch me if you candy.
00:53:23
Speaker
Good job, Adam. Okay. That's fine. Did you like it or not? Like what? His review. liked it. I'm a sucker for wordplay. What can I say?
'Roof Man' and Its True Story
00:53:38
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This is a half-star review from Eagle Sun.
00:53:41
Speaker
And it reads, wasn't able to finish it. I lasted about an hour before turning it off. There's nothing particularly wrong with it. There's just nothing good about it. I didn't care about any of the characters in the film. It's boring.
00:53:54
Speaker
And that's the only adjective that comes to mind. And when I tried to describe it in my head, the movie didn't infuriate me. The acting was fine, but there was no hook. I guess I'm happy that I didn't waste an additional hour.
00:54:06
Speaker
Hmm. Eaglesong, just, I wonder if you're aware that this, this is a true story.
00:54:16
Speaker
And it's like pretty true. And it's pretty true. I, I read like the true story of it and it's like pretty much on the dot. I mean, think there's like yeah one or two things thrown in for added effect. Basically like the whole of Keith Stanfield stuff, I think is thrown in for drama, but everything else is basically what happened.
00:54:38
Speaker
When I finished this, I also looked up ah what the true story was because I was like, there's no way that this man had an actual like entire relationship like this fleshed out while all of this is going on.
00:54:52
Speaker
I didn't even need to Google it really after the movie that much because once the credits roll, we get like a documentary-esque little thing and we see the real woman that Kirsten Dunst played. And she was like, yeah.
00:55:04
Speaker
Believe it.
00:55:07
Speaker
I mean, that is crazy to me because it's like, like, let's just say for the sake of the argument, like you're not in a relationship and you know, like you're having trouble getting in one. And then like you want, like, and let's just say this person is like, they have a good job and they own a home and you know,
00:55:32
Speaker
They have a movie podcast.
00:55:36
Speaker
And then you watch this and you're like, hypothetically, you know, and obviously this totally hypothetical again. Like, what are you doing wrong? Like, what's, you know, I gotta go. i mean, does our mystery person have to go live in a Toys R Us or like what?
00:55:53
Speaker
i would say to this mystery.
00:56:00
Speaker
I would say to this mystery person, That I was at the domain yesterday and there's a Toys ah R Us on the second level of Macy's. So it's coming back. So if this person wants a chance, maybe be hit up the domain.
00:56:16
Speaker
This hypothetical person could have a job that's near the domain. This hypothetical person could go on his lunch break. And climb into the ceiling of a Toys R Us at Macy's.
00:56:29
Speaker
ah um One of the major differences I saw between the movie and the real story was he didn't spend six months in a Toys R Us. He actually split his time between a Toys R Us and a Circuit City.
00:56:43
Speaker
At some point, he got up and relocated Circuit City. Two locations, RIP. He chose them well.
00:56:54
Speaker
I think the worst thing about this movie is it made me want to try and be like, how long could you just exist somewhere and no one picks up on it it's It was a different time. I don't think you could.
00:57:06
Speaker
I don't think you can do it now. I don't know what the technology and tracking that we have that if that's possible. Like you couldn't just go hide in a Costco. You don't think get lost in a Costco like up on some shelf somewhere and like You know, your little spidey hole up there. This movie did scratch, like, a very particular itch of, like, since being a kid, wanting to do something like that. Like, what if I just stayed?
00:57:31
Speaker
Like, what if my parents left and then I was just locked in the Costco at night and, like, what would happen? I wish there was, like, a way as an adult we could get an experience to be, like... like There's no punishment and like no ramifications, but like we try and hide as long as we can somewhere without being detected. i would Yeah, I would love... like Like a reverse escape room, but instead of like a like paid building you're in, it's like public.
00:58:02
Speaker
Yeah, it's called hide-and-seek at the mall after dark. I want like a company-sponsored hide-and-seek game. In an entire mall. I think that would be amazing.
00:58:12
Speaker
did you guys know I know for a fact that at our shared place of work, you could get it on the nights and weekends. I'm pretty sure you could get away with living there for an extended period of time. 100% easy. There's showers and everything.
00:58:29
Speaker
Yeah. I think there should just be a general push for exploring the what ifs in your brain. Like what if we just had this crazy hide and seek competition? don't know, I think there should just be a little more, i guess, taking advantage of freedoms.
00:58:45
Speaker
If we, if any one of us were a billionaire, now I'll i'll say this before, let me get in my soapbox real quick. The billionaires of today had it all wrong. Oh, I'm putting money towards this political campaign.
00:58:59
Speaker
Oh, I'm going to do it. If I was a billionaire, that that is the type of shit that I would be funding. I'm giving people free admission to art museums. I'm letting people get as many Marty Supreme jackets as they want. I'm sponsoring an over the night hide and seek at the mall.
00:59:17
Speaker
They're doing it all wrong. The wrong people are billionaires. Make it us.
00:59:22
Speaker
I need to buy a Powerball ticket. That reminds me. Same. We'll do that. like $750 million. Ooh. If I won that, guys, it'll be over.
00:59:35
Speaker
All right. What works for you guys in this? I'm going to just say Channing Tatum. Yeah. Yep. Easily my favorite performance from The Boy.
00:59:48
Speaker
I think so, too. There were some parts I was a little... ah maybe concerned about, but ultimately, yeah, he was a really endearing character, and I think he played the part really well.
01:00:02
Speaker
It wasn't anything about Channing, specifically. I guess just more of the... direction and story writing but yeah no chaining was great uh i wasn't expecting so much attention i thought it would be a lot more of a fun and kind of freewheeling comedy slash romance type of movie but um it was a lot more intense than i thought but i i didn't really mind i thought it worked well yeah i think exactly that is why I was excited to watch this movie, but this might for the year be like my most like surprising movie of 2025 for me, because like you said, I was going into this just expecting like a kind of lighthearted comedy romance, like type of movie. I didn't know that there was a true story behind it or anything like that. But like once this was over,
01:00:53
Speaker
Just like what really works for me is exactly that, is the the shifting of tones and how well balanced all of it is.
01:01:05
Speaker
i was very surprised by. like The moments that are funny are funny, and the moments that are heartfelt are like very heartfelt and very emotional. like I teared up like more than once during this movie, and not once was I like...
01:01:20
Speaker
upset like during a comedic scene and just get like whiplash to something emotional like it all was just structured out very well and what i'm seeing is that derek cian france the director can balance those different tones and visual styles seamlessly He's got a type. He's got a type of character that I've noticed from these two movies that he likes. He likes the morally gray characters.
01:01:48
Speaker
And he does them, like, I think, excellently. Agreed. But yeah, once once I heard 45 robberies, I'm like, okay, this can this can't end well. how What is going to happen? Because 45 is an insane number.
01:02:01
Speaker
Wish I could do that. Do you? I think what works for me, besides like what's been mentioned already, is I love the soundtrack of this one. I think it does the vibe so well. Is this like funny, happy, but like overall, like very melancholy movie.
Emotional Depth and Balance in 'Roof Man'
01:02:18
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It's very sad.
01:02:20
Speaker
Like, really, i felt bummed out a lot during this. it's the The movie was like, think it was going for the vibe of like longing for something better. It really was. The composer for this movie was Christopher bear.
01:02:34
Speaker
Um, he's done a few things that I'm not too familiar with, but most notably he did the soundtrack or the, uh, the score to past lives. And that was also excellent.
01:02:46
Speaker
Um, Similar to Place Beyond the Pines, there's not a lot that I did not like about this. Like I said, like I was very, very shocked by how much I enjoyed this movie. I think Channing Tatum puts on an excellent performance. Kirsten Dunst is fantastic in this movie as well.
01:03:05
Speaker
um One of my favorite scenes that I wanted to shout out was the singles lunch scene. that they had and crazy Riz. Yeah. And Johnny Tatum just like turning, just turning his up to like 15.
01:03:18
Speaker
So not in my wildest dreams. I ever talked to a group of anyone like that, but that was hey really impressive. Yes, you could. no
01:03:31
Speaker
I will say one of the detractors from this movie um after seeing it was I wish we it it felt like for Channing Tatum's actual family.
01:03:43
Speaker
It kind of felt like in the last two thirds of this movie, they were just kind of put on the back burner. Yeah. I'm not sure they ever existed, though, in real life. I think that was also one of the made up things.
01:03:57
Speaker
Really? Okay. Yeah. I mean, that would make a lot more sense as to why they didn't really get a lot of the, a lot of attention this. Yeah.
01:04:07
Speaker
And he seemed to have no problem just having new daughters and like not really talking or thinking about the other one. Yeah, like it for sure felt like the entire time, like I found myself just getting lost, like in the romance aspect of him and Kirsten Dunst's relationship. Like I was just getting lost in it so many times. And then I would just be like brought instantly right back. And I'm like, this literally cannot end well.
01:04:31
Speaker
And it will not end well. But yeah, the whole time I'm thinking like there's, we're just not getting a lot of, ah I guess, turmoil with his other family. And like, he just completely just forgot about them.
01:04:43
Speaker
m Or I was only caring about this new family that, that he wants and needs anything else that doesn't work for you guys. It feels a little long.
01:04:56
Speaker
Like it just, don't know. felt little long sitting in the theater. Yeah. like i don't I don't really know how to describe it. The pacing was solid. It just fell a little long. That's fair.
01:05:08
Speaker
I probably would have cut the family stuff in the beginning. You just had like some friends. and like if i mean That's nitpicking, though. but Because there wasn't really a lot that I thought didn't work with this movie. It was just a lot that it was like... i think you liked it a lot more than I did, Malik.
01:05:24
Speaker
i don't know about you yet, Tachi. But I really enjoyed this movie. There's a lot I really liked about it, but there was nothing I think that really stood out to me or blew me away.
01:05:36
Speaker
So it's just it's one where I'm like... the whole time I was sitting there and thinking, I'm like, ah, this is just like the place beyond the pines. Ryan Gosling and Channing Tatum's characters are so similar.
01:05:46
Speaker
They really are. and like i Kind of just ah a down-on-your-luck loser, like trying to be a good guy, and then you actually being a good family man, and then...
01:05:58
Speaker
Yeah. And and i had this thought earlier today, and I was curious if this was going to stay with me as we were talking about it. But like after watching Place Beyond the Pines and the similarities between Janning Tatum and Ryan Gosling's characters are just like so similar, i do feel in my heart of hearts that just Place Beyond the Pines takes that same exact concept from and drives it home so much deeper.
01:06:29
Speaker
i think especially because we start seeing the repercussions generation after generation and Place Beyond the Pines just really spoke to me. And then thinking back on um my experience with Roofman, I did really enjoy it.
01:06:42
Speaker
And I think the emotional beats of it were so unexpected, but so well paid off for me. but I do feel like for me right now, place beyond the pines does that so much better.
01:06:56
Speaker
So there might be a retroactive downgrade in a rating, I would say, but not to say that, not that there's anything really like wrong or changing in my mind about roof managed, just seeing something similar that the same director has done in the past and feeling like that was just executed on a much better level.
01:07:22
Speaker
Yeah. know what I'm saying? But like, I still think this movie completely, or for the most part, really, really works for me, especially leaning into like the true aspects of the story.
Comparing Generational Themes in 'Roof Man' and 'The Place Beyond the Pines'
01:07:36
Speaker
Yeah, I think it might just come down to preference. Like you're saying, Place be Beyond the Pines really delves deep into trauma and consequences.
01:07:48
Speaker
And Roofman is a lot more about, i guess, what's going on in the moment. So developing the the romance and the love and and the fatherhood and
01:08:03
Speaker
just getting a little bit more out of
01:08:09
Speaker
I guess their journey and, and, you know, watching, watching that love blossom, but place beyond the pines was cut off a little shorter than probably most people were wanting, at least in terms of act one.
01:08:21
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, i wouldn't blame you if you downgraded or upgraded, but it might just come down to preference. I, I think I agree with you though, that place beyond the pines is, is better overall, but,
01:08:37
Speaker
roofman's good and i think for whatever it's lacking channing tatum and kirsten dunce were really really great in this movie they have great chemistry yeah if they were down the movie a little bit it's really and ah a sweet little watch it's a fantastic movie it's just we double featured it with what could end up being like was just one of my favorite movies, I think.
01:09:06
Speaker
And it's just, and it's only because like the, like we said, it's there, they're so similar in, in the first characters that we see. And I just feel like with, um with roof man, we didn't see, i like seeing the consequences like of our, of, of our characters actions. Yes. Channing Tatum obviously had consequences. He went to jail. He went back to jail.
01:09:27
Speaker
But like on a human level, like these cops that have been chasing him throughout the entire movie, like that's their prerogative. Like that's their entire thing. Like trying to get this guy that they, that is just so slippery. They can't get them, but there's really no like interaction once they finally get them. Like I would have loved to see like an interrogation scene between them.
01:09:46
Speaker
Like Channing Tatum has this like facade that, that he is a good guy. And like, he's so nice. Like all these people are saying all these like great things about him, despite like what he's doing. would loved to see like the cops just kind of just like crash down on him and like almost like destroyed his worldview of that and give us some more like internal turmoil because we get i feel like that just again we just get that with with the other film.
01:10:12
Speaker
Yeah, it also doesn't highlight the damage that he most likely did to the daughters. Yeah, a lot of ah ah open doors still.
01:10:22
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. Final thoughts? Great movie, just not Place Beyond the Pines.
Conclusion and Viewing Order Suggestion
01:10:30
Speaker
You versus the guy she tells you not to worry about. Alex, you've seen Blue Valentine? I have. how How? I like it a lot, but be prepared to just be like okay glum.
01:10:45
Speaker
Oh, like sad? Yeah. i like the sad movies. You do. All right. I'm giving this a solid four. Is that, is that with or not with the.
01:11:00
Speaker
I gave it a, I gave it a 4.5 off the rip. Oh, interesting. But I'm going to, I, I'm going to keep it out of four. Okay. A movie so good. It makes you change the rating of other movies. Your window has shifted. did That's crazy.
01:11:20
Speaker
Uh, I'm going to go with the four. It was really enjoyable. Um, not really what I was expecting, but that's okay. I like being surprised. I'm going to give this a four as well.
01:11:34
Speaker
Four is across the board. Look at us back to our old habits. I know we're here again. um if you're going to take anything from this podcast, it's watch roof man first, have a great time with it because it's a fantastic movie and then go watch place beyond the pines.
01:11:51
Speaker
And don't listen to the haters. Just let it gobble you up. It's a great movie.
01:11:59
Speaker
Agreed. Couldn't have said it better myself. Good. Good. um Well, by the time you're listening to this, it is December. Happy December. We've got a fun month coming up with some Christmas movies and everything. So stay tuned for that. But I think that wraps it up.
01:12:18
Speaker
I believe it does. Yep. All right. Well, thank you so much for listening. Stay tuned for the rest of the things we've got coming up this month, and we will see you in the next one.
01:12:29
Speaker
Bye. See you. Bye.