Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
12: Disclosure Team - Adam Goldsack
385 Plays3 years ago
Adam is a UAP activist and the main contributor for the UAP Media website. He has spearheaded the successful online #EndUAPSecrecy and #OutreachProgram campaigns to encourage the US Congress and media to investigate reports of UAP interaction with the US military. Adam is also the author of the book Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: A Beginner’s Journey into UFOs. He is currently writing his follow up book ‘Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Those who changed the World’ which will be released in late 2022.
Adam Twitter: https://twitter.com/AdamGoldsack
https://twitter.com/EndUAPSecrecy
https://twitter.com/end_uap
UAPMediaUK: https://www.uapmedia.uk/
Adam's Book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unidentified...
Disclosure Team Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/disclosure_...
Disclosure Team Twitter: https://twitter.com/disclosureteam_
DISCLAIMER:
FAIR USE NOTICE: This video MAY contain copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Disclosure Team distributes this material for the purpose of news reporting, educational research, comment, and criticism, constituting Fair Use under 17 U.S.C § 107.
Intro music:
• Track Title:Yearning
Adam Twitter: https://twitter.com/AdamGoldsack
https://twitter.com/EndUAPSecrecy
https://twitter.com/end_uap
UAPMediaUK: https://www.uapmedia.uk/
Adam's Book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unidentified...
Disclosure Team Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/disclosure_...
Disclosure Team Twitter: https://twitter.com/disclosureteam_
DISCLAIMER:
FAIR USE NOTICE: This video MAY contain copyrighted material, the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Disclosure Team distributes this material for the purpose of news reporting, educational research, comment, and criticism, constituting Fair Use under 17 U.S.C § 107.
Intro music:
• Track Title:Yearning
Recommended
Transcript
Introduction to Anomalous Podcast Network
00:00:01
Speaker
You're listening to the anomalous podcast network, multiple voices, one phenomenon. What is up everybody?
Interview with Adam Goldsack
00:00:11
Speaker
Welcome back to disclosure team's YouTube channel. Uh, I'm really excited about this one. This is, uh, an interview with my friend and colleague at UAP media UK, Mr. Adam Goldsack. So without further ado, let's bring Adam in. How are you, mate?
00:00:27
Speaker
I'm good. Thank you. Nice to see you. Yeah, you too, man. Thank you so much for agreeing to do this. I think it's going to be so professional. Just listening to that interview there is brilliant. Thank you. I still struggle to be honest. I still struggle with these things. I'm not going to lie. So yeah, at least I smoke screened you there, made it pretend like I'm being professional. So listen, like I said, thank you so much for doing this. You've been a really important part of
00:00:55
Speaker
this subject for some time now. And the work you do with UAP Media UK is incredible, the articles you write. So we'll talk about that a little bit during
Adam's Background and Contributions
00:01:04
Speaker
the interview. But I think initially, if you could just give us a little bit of a background on who you are, what you do and that kind of thing. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I mean, obviously my name's Adam. Hello. So my background
00:01:16
Speaker
So I've worked for the last seven years in Euro Rehabilitation. I've got degrees in Criminology, Psychology, Diploma in Psychology, I've done a Masters in Psychology. I'm currently at uni with work doing an OT degree. So that's taken up a lot of my time in the last few months. That's why you've not probably seen as much of me. So yeah, obviously I've wrote for UAP info in 2018 and the unidentified
00:01:46
Speaker
And most recently, UFP media, obviously with yourself. Yeah. So, yeah. That's cool, man. Educated. I like it. So tell us, what got you into UFOs then? Where did it first kind of become something in your life where you were like, you know, I really want to learn about this and be involved in it?
00:02:06
Speaker
that holy fudge moment you mean yeah yeah i'm trying not to swear um so it was uh 2013 sits and hearing on disclosure i don't know if you've you've probably seen now obviously oh yeah yeah yeah um and it for me it was the uh quote by paul helier uh he said uf4s i was real as the airplane's overhead and soon as he'd said that i mean something inside me just went oh okay and it was like a switch went on and i thought okay i should be paying attention to this
00:02:35
Speaker
So I watched the citizen hearing, thought it was very, well, thought it was reasonably credible. I thought there was a few elements that could have probably left out and focus more on the case reports. But yeah, overall, it was so impressive that it got me researching, got me looking into the subject. And over the next few years, I did behind the scenes get into UFOs. And then I kind of got out of it in 2015 after the whole Roswell slides.
00:03:04
Speaker
and that put me off for whatever it was a year or so. And then I most recently got back into the field when obviously we turned along WikiLeaks and then TTSA coming along and that's what really spurred me into this recent era.
00:03:20
Speaker
Yeah, no, totally. I think that's the case with a lot of people, isn't it, with the 2017
Significance of 2017 UFO Headlines
00:03:24
Speaker
stuff? And that's kind of what I wanted to talk on next is, do you remember where you were when you first saw that headline and stuff like that and how you felt? Yeah, so I mean, the headline is I actually saw the political article before I saw the New York Times one.
00:03:40
Speaker
Um, it was around five o'clock on a Saturday. Um, and I remember bathing my son and I just got this thing on my phone and I looked at it. Oh, this is such a bad timing because I'm in the middle of doing this. Um, but I quickly managed to have a look at the video. So I was like, okay, the fairly impressive, the two that we got the gimbal and Fleur. Um, obviously we didn't get go fast until March 2018. Um, but yeah, I remember, I remember that side. Yeah.
00:04:04
Speaker
Um, but before that, uh, there was the TTSA presentation that was in the October of 2017. That's right. And I remember being, yeah, I remember being in my kitchen, um, getting my phone buzz. I looked, it's Tom DeLong on Facebook live stream. I think it was. And I was watching that. And the thing that stuck out to me is, uh, they only had like 16,000 views and I was like, how is this only gotten that amount of views? It's crazy. I thought it'd be like a lot more.
00:04:29
Speaker
But I recognized how put off on the team. I didn't recognize any of the others. And then it was the same sort of feeling when Ms. Velizondo got up on stage and he said, yeah, the phenomenon is indeed real. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, and that's, yeah. That was pretty amazing. I remember that as well, definitely. So let's talk about UFO Twitter or Twitter UFO, because I think you were there in the early days of that. And can you talk about how that came about?
00:04:59
Speaker
and how we got to kind of where we are now with it.
Evolution of UFO Twitter
00:05:02
Speaker
Sure. I mean, I think the whole thing started because of what happened in 2017, the articles that spurred a lot of people into the subject. Originally, like you say, it was Twitter UFO to begin with. And I think until 2018, it was that. And then it got changed by someone to UFO Twitter.
00:05:24
Speaker
And then from there, it went from strength to strength. And it wasn't really until I think it was Alex Dietrich mentioned it on CNN, was it? Yeah, since then, it's been it's gone really mainstream. Yeah, so it kind of kind of diluted what it was originally meant to be under Twitter, you have for supposed to be very
00:05:46
Speaker
A very credible research activism and the sidestepping ufology. Personally, I feel the last few months it's gone the other way. It's more like Twitter. I saw a ufology on Twitter. Yeah, I agree. But the end of the day, it was always going to be that way. When people start to become involved and start to become popular, you can't hold on to the boundaries and concepts of what it was supposed to be because people just take it and make it their own.
00:06:15
Speaker
Which is fine. I mean, at the end of the day, the four years that it was there, it did its job.
Government Transparency and Activism
00:06:20
Speaker
It housed the European initiative really. What do you remember? Where were you when it first came about? What are the articles on that? Yeah. So my daughter was born on the 4th of December, 2017.
00:06:38
Speaker
and so literally the article was out what a week and a half later and so I was probably doing some kind of nappy change or something I can't quite remember I think I saw it in the middle of the night when I was up with my daughter doing doing something like a nappy change and so it was kind of like bleary-eyed like what the you know kind of moment and then that next day I was just everywhere looking reading the article over and over looking at all the
00:07:05
Speaker
the talk online about it. The thing is, as well, I was not on Twitter for many years. I think I only joined last year. I was always on my Instagram, Facebook, and things like that. So I didn't see the actual... Sorry, what was your initial impression to, say, for example, a gimbal video? So did you feel that it was something, I don't know, anomalous? Or did you just think, oh, that's just surprising and want no more?
00:07:30
Speaker
I thought it was definitely different. It did grab me and I thought it was definitely anomalous, but that's me as someone who doesn't know how to analyze video at all. I thought, yeah, you know, this is a video that's linked to an article on the reality of UAP. So with that connection in my mind, I'm like, well, this is a UAP, not not that it's
00:07:51
Speaker
anything more it's simply unidentified but that still was like yeah okay we've not seen anything like this before so you know especially with flare videos i i don't remember seeing anything in flare before then and that's it same with me i mean when i first saw them uh it was the pilots i think that sold me uh the the toy and the voices that really sold me on it because otherwise
00:08:12
Speaker
You look at it, especially the gimbal video, and yeah, it kind of looks like obviously a disc upside down. But besides that, you can't really tell anything. It could be blurred pretty much anything. And it's the additional data for me, I think, which made it or makes it. Yeah. And I think obviously we see the conversations and the back and forths between skeptics or debunkers, whatever you want to call them. And then people saying that it is definitely something anomalous. That will continue, I think, until we get
00:08:41
Speaker
Any more data possibly? Yeah, which is so frustrating. It is so frustrating. And it makes you wonder, like with those videos, the 30 seconds apiece each, it makes you wonder, is there anything more to those videos? Those videos just didn't start there. And then there's more which happened after, which we know about. And there's more which happened beforehand. So where are those videos? Why can we not put pressure on the right areas to have those videos released?
00:09:10
Speaker
rather than debuting and kind of debuting over and over what's in that 30 seconds, why can we just focus on, let's get these videos, let's get the rest of them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So was that all part of this initiative of the UFO Twitter stuff? Is that what kind of made you kind of get in or bring out the NUAP secrecy campaign? Tell us about all that, because that's amazing. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, for me in the year of 2018,
00:09:39
Speaker
I looked at everything. I'd gone through skinwalker, nuclear weapons, the whole associated phenomenon. And I tried to understand and come to a conclusion on origin. And at the end of that, I've spoken to some people. My conclusion was I don't have a conclusion. It's so complex that
00:09:57
Speaker
We don't have the data, basically. What we need to do is we need to get that transparency, get the accountability from government, get the data out there so we can at last start looking with a full palette, basically.
00:10:10
Speaker
And without that data, we're just stuck. We are stuck. We're just going to spin our wheels and go round and round. Even though there is some decent data out there, it's still not verified in a scientific way. We need government investigations. We need scientific process to be applied to UP data, basically. And at the moment, it's not happening.
00:10:33
Speaker
So at the end of 2018, I think in my own head, I made a decision. I think, right, I can't continue to research this because I'm stuck. I can't go any further. No matter which direction you go, you're going to come to a blockades. So in my own head, I thought, right, well, OK, I'll see if we can get the UK government to start taking accountability for UAP. Yeah, good luck to us. And to do that,
00:10:58
Speaker
We need the Americans. There's no question about we need the American government to take accountability and transparency and be open with their own people. And that is going to in turn put pressure on our government with enough pressure that should start making a difference. So, as you know, there's things in the pipeline. But but yeah, so that was my reasoning at the end of twenty eighteen as to why I wanted to go into activism. And it was early on in twenty nineteen.
00:11:25
Speaker
that I think we'd come up with end-UAP secrecy campaign. Dan is a big part of that. He pushed that along in the early days. And we came up with a formula which sidestepped UFO activism, which I'm not criticizing the efforts that have gone before. These are incredible efforts. But at the end of the day, it needed to change.
00:11:48
Speaker
If we were to seriously get the government to push forward, we needed something else. We needed a different methodology. We needed a new terminology. We needed to approach activism from the mindset of the general public, which was very sceptical on UFP and UFO, so we had to get, sad as to say, we had to get rid of crop circles and
00:12:12
Speaker
abductions and everything else that's a bit woo, I guess. I'm not discounting those. I think there might be something to those. But in terms of activism, we needed to focus. We needed to really get it down to the military cases, something that journalists can have a conversation with and everyday people can come on board with and start having a conversation themselves. So that's the thinking behind it. Yeah, and it makes sense. Yeah, it did.
00:12:38
Speaker
I think that kind of mirrors what we're seeing more in the last 2021 with the preliminary assessment from ODNI, the report, that was focused on primary or military cases and I know it caused, there was a lot of conversation about
00:12:57
Speaker
you know, private individuals who have had experiences, feeling a bit left out. And I mean, I totally understood that. But I think the conversation has to start somewhere. Yes. And I feel that in order to engage, whether it be the media or governments and stuff, you have to start with something that is less to do. So yeah, I hope people still understand that. Yeah, I think Richard Dolan has made that point before he said, Look, we've got
00:13:25
Speaker
uh they've got all of this ufology which has been ignored and i get that and at the end of the day i agree i think that should be investigated but like you said we need to put
00:13:35
Speaker
to the hospital, the cart is that way expression where you have things in process so we can get the general public to a point where they can start looking at this highly complex situation with abductions and experiences and go, oh, actually there's something potentially to it. It's potentially credible rather than we had to do at the moment, it'd be stigmatized and they'd get laughed at and they'd get pushed one side. So it needs to come, but not quite yet. I'd say. Yeah, totally. And one thing I found quite
00:14:03
Speaker
quite revealing was when Skinwalkers at the Pentagon came out towards the end of last year and kind of went into a bit more detail about Orsap and Bass and the things that were studied at Skinwalker Ranch before
00:14:17
Speaker
Yeah, Brandon Fuegel and all that. And that Orsap also looked into individual cases, experiences and that. Yeah.
Developments in UAP Investigation
00:14:25
Speaker
How do you feel knowing that all that data is locked away in Bigelow somewhere? You know, he has it. The big databases that Colin Kelleher and that talk about. Yeah. The researcher in me wants that data. I want it to be out. But then the activist in me is like, well,
00:14:47
Speaker
We need to put it to one side for the moment until we get everybody on board that there is something there. And once we get that point, then we can start opening up our SAP and what they've got. I think one of the interesting things is how it affects people, especially the complexity of potential for experiences and abductions and everything else that's a bit
00:15:11
Speaker
uh scary i guess um if you look at a certain i won't name his name out look at a certain person who is very much a part of uap in the early years the very good work reached a lot of different people and then when the whole r-sap sort of thing came out they kind of like had a bit of a meltdown um and started debunking everything so you have to take that person and other people like that and say what would happen if you put that on a macro scale is that what we might be looking at if
00:15:41
Speaker
We went ahead straight away and said, OSAP, here we go. The government officials came out and said, look, the skin walker is this, is that. How would that affect people? How would they react to that? And I think there's a potential that it could go very negatively. So again, I think that's why we should have a process. I think that's why we need to step by step get to that point where we can openly say there's something more complex here and people don't freak out.
00:16:05
Speaker
Yeah, definitely completely agree. And I would sort of say in a minute ago about how it taken in steps. And I guess 2020, I think was a little bit quiet. We had a few announcements like the Navy announcing that they had a reporting system. I think it was for their pilots and stuff. I think that was 2020. Was it 29? That was 2019. So yeah, 2020 for me, I can't think of anything that really stood out major. You put me on the spot. I'm doing it to myself as well.
00:16:34
Speaker
I think COVID unfortunately took place in 2020 and I think that got the headlines. It's kind of ruined everything else in terms of UAP. I can't think of anything specifically which was massive in 2020.
00:16:54
Speaker
New York Times article. It was out in May. We had unidentified. We had pilots, graves, a coin come out with their testimony, which was a big deal. Yeah. Well, that's for 2020. I'm sure as probably loads of just probably things. There's just not that standout moment that we seem to have had over in every other year. I mean, I suppose at the end of 2020, the announcement of the NDAA for 2021 with the 180 day covid relief about the
00:17:24
Speaker
the preliminary assessment I suppose that announcement was I mean I know for the first part of 2021 the conversation was could we possibly get disclosure and in June of 2021 which obviously we didn't get so how did you feel that time was in those six months leading up to the report? I think I really appreciate the fact that
00:17:47
Speaker
Lou went on a lot of podcasts and he was almost preparing people for what the report was going to be, limiting expectations. I think a lot of people, I guess myself included at one point was very much like this could be it, this could be our leading onto event disclosure type thing, but then the other part of me was thinking well
00:18:09
Speaker
The whole aim of the report at the end of the day was to provide legislation for Congress to take something further and build what they've built at the moment, like the office. It gives them a reason to do what they've done. And without the report, we've got nothing. We had no data. We had nothing to say, well, actually, there is something there.
00:18:31
Speaker
43 cases out of 144 are unidentified by the most sophisticated defense technology in the world that in itself is there's a reason to go ahead and get this office in place and I know it was yeah it was disappointing when the New York Times article came out in I think it was early summer and I think the headline was something crazy like no evidence found of extraterrestrials and like okay great and that's
00:18:59
Speaker
obsessed with extraterrestrial straight away. It's a phenomenon, just go from there. But it was very eager to dismiss it. And that's how I felt from that. I think that didn't help that article. Yeah. So I think after the report itself, there was a bit of a lull. I thought there was a little bit of right. And everyone was a bit deflated. And even though it worked, and what it needed to do was done, I don't know how you felt, but I just felt a bit
00:19:26
Speaker
I mean, I wish there was a bit more to it. We could have got our teeth into it. Yeah, definitely. I think that initial six-month excitement had built a lot of people up for something a bit more. So naturally, after a day or two, it felt like there was nothing. But I think I did find it a month or two later, looking back again at the assessment. There were little tidbits you could pick from it that were like, actually, it is giving us something, and it gives us something to look forward to, possibly, like you say.
00:19:54
Speaker
Congress now being aware, we know that the committees, a lot of the committees had had classified briefings. And so, yeah, then they're not going to do nothing with that. So we have to bide our time. Yeah, they're legally bound to do something now. And because of that report, that they have to go, no choice, they have to, even if they didn't want to, especially the defense or the side committees, they have to do something. Yeah. And obviously, it just took time. And it wasn't until what was in November 2021
00:20:23
Speaker
that we started hearing about Gillibrand and I think it was around that time anyway so we've gone pretty much a good six seven months with nothing substantial from the report. Actually do you know what I think it was September because I think yeah the first
00:20:40
Speaker
I think it was the initial announcement of the NDAA when Lou was in San Marino and he sat down and did the interview with Max Moskowitz. They read it out for the first time. They'd literally seen it 10 minutes before they went online. So yeah, that's how I remember that. But then we saw so many iterations of it going through right through till when it finally got to the House and the Senate. Yeah, that was crazy.
00:21:07
Speaker
And we saw AOIMSG getting in the fold and trying to, you know. Yeah, I mean, I still don't know what to make of that, to be honest. I don't know how that's quite going to operate. Because obviously, you're going to have the what was Astro, the office, you recall it. And you've got this group, then AOIMSG, is it?
00:21:29
Speaker
So how can the two move forward? One is saying we're going to be as transparent as possible. We're going to go through Congress who have to then obviously relate back to the public with unclassified reports. And you've got this other program within the Pentagon. And that's like, no, we're not going to give you anything. Do you know what I mean? We're going to take care of this. Don't worry about it. It's all Chinese balloons and whatever and drones.
00:21:50
Speaker
So how is that going to work? How do you think it's going to work? Well, I am SG. I don't see how it's going to work because it's not an operational department, apparently. So, you know, so Lou says it's doesn't have the manpower. It doesn't have the people looking into it. It's kind of like just going to sit on data and not release it and kind of throw us back into secrecy almost.
00:22:11
Speaker
pretty much was when Kirby was having that press conference a few months ago and his torn and his mannerisms were very much dismissive and yeah we're not going to give you anything but credit to the journalist of the times it Travis Tritten it is yeah and he my understanding is that he knows a lot more than he's letting on and he really grilled him which was good to see it was good to see Kirby Square not the gentleman sure he's lovely but I'm sorry but when it comes to
00:22:39
Speaker
European transparency on the table. Yeah, absolutely. Now also in 2021, before the preliminary assessment, we had those releases from Jeremy Corbell.
Impact of Jeremy Corbell's UAP Videos
00:22:51
Speaker
What were your thoughts on when that was happening and did you feel it was adding something to the subject? With the Omaha sphere and the triangle, yeah. So
00:23:03
Speaker
I wasn't quite sure at the time. Obviously, you've always got to consider whether there's a bit of disinformation. But personally, I don't think there was. I think the people who were contacting Jeremy are legit. I think that the data that they were getting was legitimate, as was verified in the end. So it was difficult at the time. It drew a lot of issues just to the fact that you had short videos. There's no support in data.
00:23:31
Speaker
And that left a gray area for debunkers to step in and try and manipulate the data into a conclusive narrative, which pretty much didn't exist. I mean, at the end of the day, we can't say what the Omaha sphere was or the pyramid. We don't know. We need more data.
00:23:50
Speaker
I'd say we just, we need more data. We can't go from here and say it's something anomalous without what the people less thought, what their perceptions, the military. We need the government to come out and be transparent on what those things were. And so again, it goes back to what we were saying earlier, rather than just going round and round and round and counting the debate between skeptic and believer, we need the government to come out and take responsibility for this. But I always, I don't know, my feeling is that
00:24:20
Speaker
When something like that happens, when there's leaks that happen, it's due with frustration within the system. I think they happen because something behind the scenes isn't quite going to plan and then people step in. It can almost be used in strategy, a case of right. Well, if you're going to go down that road, we've got all of this information. Here's a tidbit. Do you really want to continue going down that road? I think that's pretty much what happened. Yeah, it makes sense, definitely.
00:24:50
Speaker
Yeah, interesting. We only know fraction of what's going on behind the scenes. And I'm sure there's people, well, we know there's people now still trying to keep this under wraps without going into their names.
Theories on UAP Origins
00:25:02
Speaker
No, absolutely. Yeah, we hear there's quite a few battles going on behind the scenes between Pentagon and Congress and things like that. But hopefully we come out on the right side of things. I mean,
00:25:15
Speaker
Do you think we'll see, I mean, do you have any hope, hopes for 2022? And this is purely like speculative. You don't have to say, you know, I don't think stuff is going to happen. What would you like to see? And in what kind of, how would you like to see it played out? That's a difficult one because what we've been getting recently that really brings credibility to the issue of European statements by high ranking government officials. That's what's given us the platform to get to where we are.
00:25:45
Speaker
So whether that continues and we get more of that possibility, I think probably, yeah. What I don't seem to willingly want to do, like I said, is bring out longer versions of these videos, which would just do that if we had those. That would be it. People would look and go, oh, that's a pyramid. Very clearly is a pyramid. Or that's a disk. Very clearly a disk.
00:26:09
Speaker
Very interesting that, and I never picked up on this before, I watched Ross Coulthard in one of his interviews recently, and apparently he had been told that of the 143 unidentifieds in that report, some of them or a few of them were disks. And I'm pretty sure I've got that right. So it was in one of his interviews that it was slightly in there, and I was like, no, is that quite right?
00:26:36
Speaker
I'm going to have to go and double-check that, but I'm pretty sure I heard that right. Yeah, no, I can't recall. I've seen so many. That's really interesting. But I mean, if that's true, I mean, it just goes to, I mean, Discs very 1940s, 50s, then they seem to have a bit of a disappearance for a bit, and now they're back. Can I ask, what's your opinion on, let's go into it, what's your opinion on the origin, Discs?
00:27:08
Speaker
I've been through so many different explanations and possibilities in my mind in the past few years that I almost feel like it's gotten harder to answer those kind of questions because we've got the origins of the objects themselves, but now we've the conversation about the origins of the phenomena and
00:27:26
Speaker
the others or the non-human intelligence, that conversation has exploded into so many more possibilities. I feel like there's way more questions than answers. So I'm very weary and cautious about speculating. I do think, and I'm happy to say in my opinion, the extraterrestrial hypothesis has jumped right down the ladder for me.
00:27:50
Speaker
When you first got into this and you had that holy fudge moment, was the ET hypothesis right at the top? Because it was for me. Yeah, naturally.
00:28:02
Speaker
extraterrestrial biological entities in craft traveling through space faster than the speed of light kind of thing. Yes, I was aware of the possible dimensional travel thing, but it was not really talked about so much, you know. So yeah, I think a lot of people come from that background, but the more you research and yeah, it's not to me, it's not as likely as dimensional and ultra terrestrial or crypto terrestrial, you know,
00:28:32
Speaker
It's crazy. What do you think about ultra-terrestrial works? That is the one which when I was writing a bit for my book I came to that and the only thought I had was the whole put off paper which I don't have access to. I know some people do and I really wanted but besides that there is nothing much out there
00:28:53
Speaker
I actually think there's a random, cool, there's a random websites that made reference to, I think it was like Edward Snowden and ultra-terrestrials. I can't even remember exactly what it was, but it's from like years and years ago. And that was the only thing that I found and it was complete rubbish. Besides that, I just, I don't understand how that concept works. It's not like ultra-terrestrials who are in our 3D reality, who are hiding under the ocean, they're hiding.
00:29:18
Speaker
in the earth or is that because they are part interdimensional so that on another plane but here as well which classes them as all for terrestrial what do you think well yeah i've seen and even recently i've seen different explanations to what the ultra terrestrial actually means and it seems to me like it's quite a vague term covering a lot of different possibilities within that term so it's difficult to say it means this because so many people have said different things
00:29:44
Speaker
And so to me, it's a bit confusing because it does have a bit of the interdimensional. It does have a bit of this reality where they may be here. We might not be able to see them because they could be stood face to face with you, but outside of what we can see and touch and smell and taste and all that kind of stuff. I just want to get my head around that. It's so weird. How could they be just there? And you can't sense them. But obviously, that's
00:30:13
Speaker
Well this is the thing, I think this is why science, which we've wanted to be a part of this subject for so long and now we see them jumping on board slowly but surely, I think that's important so that leads me on to sort of say how do you see that going with people at Avilobe and the Galileo Project and other institutions, how does that make you feel?
Scientific Involvement in UAP Research
00:30:34
Speaker
Good, I know.
00:30:35
Speaker
I've seen that they've had a lot of criticism recently, which is, I can't believe that. It's a really unbelievable fact that now we have mainstream science coming on board and saying, okay, we're going to take an analytical scientific approach to this. We're going to go through everything rigorously. We're going to be objective. We're not going to be persuaded by bias that we have in the past with towards UFOs. You have people criticizing them for it. And they're like, okay.
00:30:59
Speaker
Fair enough, folks, so you can have your opinions about the people that they have on board and whatnot. But each of those persons that they've got has a unique experience and background within ufology and all the rest of it. But I'm very encouraged by the fact that we now have some real scientists looking at this. And that's where this needs to go. This needs to be taken right out of the hands of ufologists, you guys, and given to mainstream science. And by indication, the public
00:31:30
Speaker
Yeah totally agree totally agree and it's funny you mentioned the kind of pushback that they've been having recently even after so many years of wanting them to take it on and I think with the Galileo project in particular what I've noticed is that people are really worried that you know these are people that don't or can't get on board with Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon being a part of it and that they feel that they're gonna sway Avi Loeb and stuff like that but I think what people need to realize is they're just research affiliates they don't have
00:31:58
Speaker
pulling power within the organization, they just help out. And I think that needs to become clearer, maybe, for certain people. I don't know. It's a funny one, isn't it? It's not. People are, oh, yeah, counter-intel are involved now, so game over.
00:32:15
Speaker
No, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. But then in a way, you can't really blame people because they've had 70 years of your apology and a certain persuasion on the government. And the government, best be fair, haven't really helped that situation with transparency. So you can kind of see why people still have these deep rooted issues towards anything that comes from the government. And I think that's why you need a good education program.
00:32:42
Speaker
from the government themselves to say, OK, look, this is how we've handled the situation, the UFO situation in the past.
Media's Role in UAP Perception
00:32:49
Speaker
This is where we are now. And this is what we want to do. They need to come out and be transparent on that. And it's the only way forward, because for me, this is only going to go one way. So I don't know if they already have these things in place, whether you already have these programs to to ensure that there's an indoctrination period. I don't know. If it was me and I was in the government, I'd be like, oh, do you know what's it going to be like in five years?
00:33:12
Speaker
You could in theory have a lot of people very angry with the government because you're not really explained your situation to them And all they see is people who are angry ufologists angry conspiracy theorists And that's going to be people's persuasion new people coming into the field So I think yeah, they should really have a strategy. No, absolutely and I think another thing that could help that is the mainstream media and
00:33:37
Speaker
really talking about it without the stigma and taboo and the X-Files headlines and the clickbait and all that. I mean what was the recent one that came up with the X-Files music? It was fairly the last few weeks and I can't think what it was. I think it was NBC with Gally Schwartz. Yes and I like Gally Schwartz. He's a smart guy and he knows. I mean I've spoken to him over social media and he's very much of the same mind said that we are. He believes that yes
00:34:08
Speaker
without putting words in his mouth. Potentially, there was all this other stuff going on, but we really need to focus on UAP ability encounters. We need to get the serious stuff in place. At least that's the impression I was getting to him when I was talking to him. Yeah, totally. But it was...
00:34:24
Speaker
It didn't feel good when we saw that X-Files music on a show with him as well. It was just like, oh my God. It's a sort of thing, you know, when you watch this morning with Phil and Fern, I don't know if Phil and Fern still do it, but every single time that they have anything on UFOs, it's, boom, X-Files music straight away. Gently with some nutcase, it comes on, yeah, I've just had alien baby. You're like, sick. Yeah, it's too much. I mean, we've been quite
00:34:50
Speaker
We've been quite lucky, I think, in the last couple of years with a lot of, I mean, especially again, I'm going to go back to the first six months of 2021.
00:34:57
Speaker
In the build-up to that report, every day there was new articles coming out of mainstream media, and not all of them were great, but it was getting the conversation going. It was everywhere. UFOs, UAP were everywhere. That was great. And there wasn't so much of the woo stuff. It was sticking to what was being dealt with at that time, and that was great. Then we saw it all drop off. Now, for me personally, especially in this country in the UK, we've got
00:35:27
Speaker
We've got some good journalists covering the subject. They're still, I think, finding their feet with it. But my only thing is, we've started off, obviously, in the tabloids, we need to get to the higher, more respectable papers, don't we? Absolutely. I mean, we've seen it personally ourselves, having it with UAP media.
00:35:47
Speaker
No, no disrespect to the tabloids. I mean, they're doing the best they can, I think. Never thought I'd say this, but the sun is actually doing a better job covering it than the rest of them. Yeah, the Daily Star, there's been some horrific stories coming from there very much.
00:36:04
Speaker
Yeah, I won't go into them, but yeah, it's done very well recently in terms of getting more credible stories out there with UAP. I think our aim is, like you said, it's to get broadsheets, more credible papers, Guardian, BBC, people who really can make a difference within influential positions. But it's a start. I mean, it's a start what we've done. It's good.
00:36:33
Speaker
Yeah, we're on the ladder. We are. I think it'd be a good year to see some changes from that aspect personally. That's the next step I'd like to see is the mainstream media just stepping it up a gear and doing better reporting, speaking to the right people because we see a lot of
00:36:54
Speaker
these articles with comments, and they've gone to the same old people, the same old desk clerks. I won't say the names. I think it's time for them to start doing a bit more work, let's say, and ironing more. Come and speak to us, UAP Media. We're happy to talk to people. That's what I want to see. Yeah, I think that will happen this year. But I do believe we will need that spark again.
00:37:24
Speaker
And I don't know exactly what's coming. I imagine something will be coming this year, but we need that spark. Whether that's, like you said earlier, whether that's a high ranking official coming out or whether that's video. Or whether there's another report coming this year. Is that right? Out of the US? Yeah. Yeah, I think.
00:37:50
Speaker
Go on, sorry. 31st of October is the next one. Yeah. Well, I mean, in theory, what we probably want to do is build towards that, regardless of whether else happens during the year. We want to build towards the October release in terms of activism.
00:38:09
Speaker
And that's one thing with activism, what we've noticed is we can't continuously go at it one day, sorry, day after day, a week after week, if we get one out, we do need that low period. And so, yeah, I'll probably work towards that, see what happens. Yeah, now with just sticking with you AP media, I think it was only a couple of days ago, a new letter template came out on our website where we can people can contact the local MPs. Do you want to just talk to how that
00:38:40
Speaker
actually makes a difference because I think a lot of people think it's just a letter from one person. How am I going to make a difference? No, it does make a difference. They do read the letters. They may not always do anything about it, but they do read. I think Creditor Davey's done a lot of hard work on that. He's condensed a lot of the information, got it down into a bite-sized letter. And I think
00:39:04
Speaker
I think we're at the point now with what's coming in 2022 where we can really push forward, get that letter out to MPs, get out to journalists, to media organisations, and then say, look, this needs transparency from our government.
UAP Advocacy in the UK
00:39:22
Speaker
This is what's happening in America. It's credible. It's happening. There it is. There's the evidence. You can go look at it. And then we want you to address this like what happened with the MPs name.
00:39:33
Speaker
after the UAPTF reports came out.
00:39:40
Speaker
The question was asked in parliament and we got a very negative answer unfortunately but the good thing is the question was asked and that in itself is a seven point and because the next time the next report comes out or something else might be coming which may put pressure again the question gets asked again and then they remember that the question was asked last time they go
00:40:07
Speaker
So maybe this time we're going to have to up our game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've high hopes that the British government might be on the way to doing something. You know, those things potentially pipeline going into details. But yeah, I think this could be a good year for UAP media to really push forward into MPs and media. Yeah. So we just need to just need to get on and do it.
00:40:37
Speaker
That's it. And anybody in the UK that is watching this, go and check out uapmedia.uk. If you want to help the activism, send a letter to your local MP. All links will be below this video in the description for all the information on things we've talked about as well today. One thing before you go is I'd like to talk about, because you actually wrote the book last
Adam's Book on UFOs
00:40:58
Speaker
year. What was that the year before? Last year, yeah, yeah. Tell us, how did that come about? I'm just going to grab a copy to show everyone.
00:41:07
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, so wait till we come back. There we go. Oh, lovely. Yeah, so it's crazy because I start, I'd never written anything really before until I started writing for UAP info, then they're unidentified. Then with UAP media, I've really
00:41:30
Speaker
horned down on my writing skills. I've tried to be more professional. I've been trying to quote things and source things professionally as best I can. The idea, like I said earlier, was to go through in 2018 and research UAP as best I can. And by the end of the book, come up with a conclusion, if I could, as to what UAP potential might be. Like I said, couldn't do that. It's too complex. I narrowed it down to the top of my head.
00:41:59
Speaker
ET, UT, ultra-terrestrial, ID, inter-dimensional, MV, multiversal, multiverse, which is different to inter-dimensional.
00:42:12
Speaker
feel like you should explain that. So interdimensional, you've got various dimensions, parity and string theory and that, which go from ours, which is a 3D reality, up to, I think it's 10 or 11. So you can have all these different dimensions. Multiverse, when I brought about it and considered that, it's within our own reality. So it's 3D dimension, but different variations of this dimension, if that makes sense, whereas
00:42:35
Speaker
interdimensional you get up to like I don't know eight nine ten it could be something we can't even comprehend it could be something without words could be something so far beyond us that we can't yeah like kind of comprehend it so that was interdimensional that was multiverse and then the other one I looked at was consciousness uh and quantum physics so quantum consciousness and that sort of thing and all those extreme theories yeah again I just say the thorny theories I don't subscribe to them I'm just yeah just put them down there and put what I thought
00:43:05
Speaker
Yeah, but they are all the theories that are on the table for many people, so I think that's a good thing. And I think one thing obviously it says on the front of the book, a beginner's journey into UFOs. Can you feel that this is named? Go on. Sorry, can I just clarify that? Somebody pointed out after I published it and said, oh, so is that a beginner's guide to UFOs? Anyone? I was like, no.
00:43:28
Speaker
That was me. So I've written it. Journeys, I'm the journey into UFOs. It's about my journey into UFOs. And I should have been a bit more clear with that. No, no, I think that's cool. That's good to clarify. But yeah, but now you're actually in the process of writing a follow up. Can you tell us much about that? Yes. So I'm writing such first book in the series on identified anomalous phenomena.
00:43:53
Speaker
The second book is going to be Unidentified Anonymous Phenomena, but the title is going to be Those Who Changed the World, which refers to all the people involved over the last four or five years who've got us to this point.
00:44:06
Speaker
So you look at intelligence community, you look at Congress, you look at senators, congressmen, Navy pilots, the military, journalists, media organizations, everybody, researchers, activists, all the people who've got us to this point, it's almost like a narrative of what they've done over the last four years, their contribution. Because at the end of the day, when people look back at this part of history,
00:44:32
Speaker
They deserve to know, like, what Harry V done. I know it will be documented, but what Marco Rubio has done and said, he was an important part in 2020 Marco Rubio came out with his statements.
00:44:46
Speaker
There you go. He was a big part in 2020 to getting the report up and running. So I just feel it's important to let people know, like Lewis on Dorsey, he's going to be remembered forever because of what he's done. But then you have people like Gary Nolan, who was a big part of it in the early years.
00:45:05
Speaker
Jack's the layer people I can Take me to school for all of them, but you know, I mean it's it's very much like Pointing to those people and saying look these people have been part of it without them both combined effort the United efforts behind this UFP initiative Who knows where we would have got without them? Yeah, that's awesome. So when does that likely you've got it like a release or an aim for when you want that one out? it's coming that late this year just because I
00:45:32
Speaker
I've got half with her, but it just takes so long, the references and everything. And I've got a lot of uni assignments, which is taking a lot of time. Real life. Real life always happens at the same time. Yeah. Well, listen, man, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate it. It's been a great conversation. I'm honored that I'm kind of the first person that you've spoken to on one of these as well. So that means a lot to me. First and last.
00:45:57
Speaker
Oh, well, there you go. I get that exclusive. Yeah, I mean, I just this isn't being honest. This isn't my world at all. I see the people you interviewed, you know, I mean, you're so professional and they're so professional and like.
00:46:11
Speaker
Gosh, that's not me at all. I'm just not like that. I'm so much better at being behind the scenes and writing stuff. That's what I am. Yeah. I mean, I'm not ruling anything out in the future, but maybe once a year type thing. Is that all right? Awesome. Of course, man. Absolutely. I mean, everyone plays an important role and, you know, your role doing all the writing and the articles and the activism is
00:46:33
Speaker
I couldn't do that. So, you know, I guess we all have our little parts somewhere along the line. So now that's great. Well, listen, I won't keep you any longer. And to everybody listening, watching, I forgot to say at the start that thank you to everyone on YouTube and on Spotify, Apple, anywhere that you listen to the Anomalous Podcast Network. Thank you all so much. And we will see you soon. Take care for now. Goodbye.
00:47:02
Speaker
You're listening to the Anomalous Podcast Network. Multiple voices, one phenomenon.