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Lost In MJ
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This week we dive into the newest musical biopic, Michael.
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Mistaken Lyrics and Host Introductions
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right, I wrote a poem the other day and it goes like this. i made this up myself. All me.
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I'm starting with the man in the mirror and I'm asking him to change his ways. And no message could have been clearer. If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and then make a change.
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Ow!
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Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. I'm your host, Tachi. I'm your host, Malik. I'm your host, Alex. I almost said the real guys. It was really weird. It's the first time this happened. That's really It was like on the tip of my tongue, and I was like, that's not right.
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That's the incorrect podcast. yeah Lost in the Frame. That's mean. Welcome, he yes, to Lost in the Frame. Today, we're going to be discussing Michael. We are very excited for this episode.
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Michael who? Michael Jackson.
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Oh, that was good. Thank you. Typically, I would be spamming these sounds on a soundboard. I don't have them on the soundboard, so we will be spamming them throughout the episode.
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Adlibbing like a Travis Scott song. Hell yeah.
Rapid Reviews and Film Ratings
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um Let's talk about our rapid review, what we've been watching, get into movie news, and then we'll talk about Michael. I can go first on the rapid review.
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Okay. Okay. um Alex, I believe you drafted this movie in our last draft, but I watched Gattaca. Did you draft that?
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I did draft that. Okay. Yeah. Listener, if you remember, Alex recently drafted Gattaca. don't remember the category, but it's the movie. It was wild card. Oh, got it. From the 90s.
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Was it wild? It's a little wild. It's not what I expected. This is the movie that where Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman met, directed by Andrew Nichol. um I liked it.
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You know, based off of the the poster, it's not, I didn't know anything about this movie. I just knew the poster. I'm like, Ethan Hawke looks like a colon.
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Uma Thurman is doing something, and then there's a shot of Jupiter on it with a weird, with Gattaca in a weird font. um But I liked it. Good movie. I gave it a three and a half out of five. That's pretty good.
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Yeah. I'm not going to say much about it. So if you want to watch it, I just went in as blind as possible. But Ethan Hawke is not ah a colon or a vampire in this, despite what the poster looks like.
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Ow! Something like a hungry cat. That one was not good. It's too high pitch for me. I'll leave i'll leave the owls and the key hees to you guys.
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I'll go next. My rapid review this week is The Rip starring Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, Tiana Taylor, Steven Yeun, and Kyle Chandler.
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um It's a pretty decent heist movie. And that's about all i'll say. Is that a Netflix original?
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Yeah. Okay. um Yeah, it's okay. Not bad. Not great. But It's good enough. um Three out of five stars.
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I saw something in the news recently that some like police academy, or I'm not really sure what it was, but they were suing the RIP for, i don't know, like putting like a bad bad name on them. I'm not sure.
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i i saw something about it in the news, but it wasn't interesting enough for me to click it. It goes really, the movie does go really hard against one police department, and I have no idea if that is a real police department or not. i think it might be, because of this, just because of the headline that I saw that someone's angry about the rip, basically, and they're trying to sue.
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There's like a straight five minutes where like the guys from this department suck. Basically. They're just up to no good. All right.
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My rapid review is 1967's In the Heat of the Night, starring Sidney Poitier and Rod Steiger and Warren Oates. This was the Best Picture winner for the 40th Academy Awards, as well as Best Adapted Screenplay and Best Actor.
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Um... This, I feel like, is the OG Detective Procedural. It's pretty good. It's pretty good.
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yeah man
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I gave it a four out of five. Very good. no I want to watch every Best Picture winner. That is a goal of mine. Including Crash?
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Including Crash. Would you re-watch Coda? Oh my god, dude. I never saw it. I never saw it. Coda did win Best Picture. You might like it same time around. I don't know.
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Not that I've done it. but You're going to make me do it and report back. yeah I'll let you know.
Upcoming Film Excitement
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um Let's get into the world of movie news before we get into Michael.
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Grown Ups 3 is officially in the works at Netflix. Banger incoming. Yep.
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Yep. Uh, there was a teaser. Everybody wants this. Everybody wants it. Um, there's a teaser release for East of Eden, which is another Netflix original coming this fall, starring Florence Pugh, Christopher Abbott and Mike faced the series follows the intertwined destinies of the Trask and Hamilton families in California's Salinas Valley.
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Yet another book I need to read this year before the movie comes out. did i start out Was that already on your book list? Yes. John Steinbeck, East Eden.
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Oh, that's why it sounds familiar. You've brought up Beast of Eden. i was like, why does this name ring a bell? Yeah, you have. I don't think I have. I think it's just a very famous book by a very famous author.
00:06:25
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Sure. um A Quiet Place 3 has begun filming. Starring Jack O'Connell, of course does. Our boy. Friend of the podcast. Very close friend of the pod, Jack O'Connell.
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How's that? alza How's that? How's that? um Speaking of which, see that picture of our boy with the bow and arrow? I did.
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Alfie Williams? Mm-hmm. We better get this fucking movie. We better get this movie. Surely. Surely. Right?
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Yeah. Oh, I forgot to bring up one thing in my rapid review. I was going to say, in the future, you guys are going to hate me for my rapid reviews. I spent $25 yesterday for three tickets, and I wanted to tell you guys about it.
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These are for showings in June, July, and August. Three movies, 25 bucks total. um First, Manhunter by Michael Mann, with Michael Mann in attendance, with an in-person Q&A at the Academy Museum in June. $10.
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Second,
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second alfred hitch or Alfred Hitchcock is here. He's here. They brought him back. Guillermo del Toro is doing an Alfred Hitchcock retrospective at the Academy Museum. So what's the $5 one?
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The $5 one. You revive Alfred Hitchcock. Alfred Hitchcock is coming. You raise him from the grave. um Train to Busan 4K with director Jan Songho in attendance.
00:08:07
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Dude. Yeah. $5. You bitch. You're still not convinced me to move to l LA. That's what I'm trying to do. The movie tickets are cheap. Everything else is a trillion dollars.
00:08:20
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Dude. Oh my God. So I went to go get my hair done yesterday, right? Gas is very expensive over here. It's brutal so much so that we're driving cam's car more instead of my truck where we are. It's six bucks.
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I was downtown LA yesterday and I passed a Chevron and my jaw literally dropped as I saw the highest gas prices I've ever seen in my life that I stopped at a green light
The Gas Price Crisis
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to take a picture. $8.65. That's crazy. I thought you were going to say in the sevens.
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Eight. Above 8.50. Nearly
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allegedly
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No, this was proven. I'll send you the picture. um And I saw people putting gas there, and I'm like, if you guys just go 15 minutes anyway, you can at least save 250. Maybe they cannot go 15 minutes that way.
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That's true. Literally insane. Someone needs to fix this. I've been riding a quarter tank in my car for like a week and a half. just Just feathering the throttle. Because have a hybrid for those who who are unaware.
00:09:29
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Feathering the throttle so the ah the actual gas does not turn on. m I've been at a quarter tank for like a week and a half. I'm holding out.
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is We gotta do something about this Hormuz thing, guys. We gotta to solve this. We have to. We can reopen.
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um Have you guys noticed that gas is a little... It doesn't take your car as far. Do you guys get like a mileage count whenever you have a full tank? It seems that way i There is a real reason behind that if you're not just like conspiracy-ing.
00:10:06
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what do you know What is the reason? they I think that it's they raise the ethanol level. Okay. So it's not as much gasoline to like dilute a bit.
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So you're it's not good for your engine, a And B, you're not going to get as far of mileage on it because your your car is probably not built to handle that much ethanol.
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Are they diluting to spread it like as far as we can for as long as we can? Yes. I figure. It's like when someone puts water in their empty shampoo so they get like the extra shampoo. You're shaking it around.
00:10:42
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Yeah. It's that, so but with that and all. On a full tank, my truck is at ah at at about 426 miles to empty. It's actually great. Yeah. And I've noticed the last few times that I've gassed up, it caps out at about 360, 365.
00:10:56
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And I'm like, it's never done that before. That's new. No, I mean, there's going to be the downstream consequence, not to get like political or anything on the pod, but the downstream consequences of this, like what's going on in the world, and i'm not you know saying one way or the other, is going to be crazy. Like yeah cars are not going to last as much longer if keep running ethanol through engines that are not built to handle that much ethanol.
00:11:20
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We're probably about to run out of motor oil. So go to your local O'Reilly's and stock up. This is financial advice.
00:11:31
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Car maintenance advice. This is not financial advice. Um... Like, you know, yeah, like we're going to have to repair so much crap down line. going have like an entire era of like generation of cars basically where it's like, oh yeah, they're screwed because of like, yeah, those engines didn't last long at all. Not because anything the manufacturer did unless it's like a, like a Chevy or something.
00:11:53
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But, um but no, just because we keep running through, we keep running diluted oil through them to try and mask the fact that we're on this massive oil crisis.
Horror and Thriller Anticipations
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so he
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ah allegedly um curry barker's obsession is now at 96 on rotten tomatoes one of the highest rated horror films of 2026 now i feel like we do this with every horror film i'm excited for this one i feel like it's like yeah oh what was the one we saw it is sustained do you think I think the hype is sustained, yeah.
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I hope it's good. I really, really do. I'm rooting for this one. like I got stock in this, I feel.
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And hey, it's legit we get to watch it together. We do. I'm looking forward to that. One last ride. Family. damn Family.
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um Filming began for A24's Flesh of the Gods starring Wagner Mora, Kristen Stewart, and is it starring Alba Baptista or is she a director?
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I didn't see that. she's an actress. Oh, okay, okay. I know nothing about this. Wait, this is the one that you said it's up about like vampires potentially or something? Tachi?
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ah Maybe. I don't remember. I like who's in it. Yeah. I like what I'm hearing. Heck of a threesome there. Heck of a threesome. ah so so ah This film follows a married couple who drift from their luxury condo into the neon-soaked LA nightlife where they encounter the mysterious and enigmatic Nameless.
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And it's supposedly a vampire thriller. That's insane. That sounds so sick. It sounds awesome. Yeah. Christian Stewart in a vampire thriller? Hmm.
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Someone hang on spider monkey. Uh, last bit of news and we'll get into the movie.
Michael Jackson Biopic Insights
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Jafar Jackson says he watched whiplash a lot when preparing to play Michael Jackson in Michael.
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And in quotes, he says there were times where I put whiplash out of my process because I always felt a lot of motivation from that film. Is that the correct movie to get motivation from?
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In a weird way, yes. Yes and no, yeah. Okay, I agree. Like, it does kind of hype you up in, like, a bad way. agree. I'm fully there. Shimona. All right.
00:14:37
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That was just a little whimper. That wasn't even Michael Jackson. It was subdued Michael. He was just chilling. He was feeling good over there. Chilling on the couch. Oh.
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Oh.
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Uh, let's do our letterboxd love like clothes and then get into the movie. Tachi's got our five star me with the three and Alex with the one. All right. This five star comes in from Joshua Kane.
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I just know Michael would have loved fortnight.
00:15:08
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You know what? Yeah. He might. He might. i have two, and they're both two and a half. This first one comes in from justintime179.
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Two and a half stars. Taylor Swift next. Next one by Karen Kessie. Two and a half stars. Coleman Domingo, I'm not going able to look at you for a while.
00:15:33
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Me when actors act something other than someone I can stand. I don't think that's why they're saying that.
00:15:45
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Wait, what? I think it's exactly why they're saying that. would Well, like you think it's because the character is bad? Yeah. I think it's because it's a bad performance.
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du Dun, dun, dun. Whoa. That's how Ow. All right. All right. r Our half-star review comes from... Oh, damn.
00:16:13
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Sammy. Sammy. Yeah, Michael, being a pedophile is bad. All caps. But he got away with it, which means I guess you can get away with child sex crimes, and it don't matter if you're black or white.
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Or maybe he was just smooth criminal. Oh, my God.
00:16:34
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Also, the movie wasn't even good... Even going into it pretending he's not a pedophile.
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Allegedly. Allegedly. Ow!
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um Let me read the synopsis real quick. ah Michael, directed by Antoine Fuqua. The story of Michael... i don't know if i said that last name right. That's black man. I don't think that's pronounced that way.
00:17:02
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That's the only way it's pronounced. I don't know. like and feel like I just enunciated that kind of wrong. Fuqua. Sounds right to me.
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all right, whatever. The story of Michael Jackson, one of the most influential artists in the world has ever known and his life beyond the music. His journey from the discovery of his extraordinary talent as the lead of the Jackson Five to the visionary artist whose creative ambition fueled a relentless pursuit to become the biggest entertainer in the world, highlighting both his life offstage and some of the most iconic performances from his early solo career.
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And this stars Jafar Jackson, Coleman Domingo, Neil Long, and Miles Teller. I'll open it up with a question to you two.
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What? We can all take our turn going around. What is your relationship to Michael Jackson? I've always liked him. Growing up. I wasn't like a true fan. Yeah.
00:17:58
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I'm not a homer. But I like the guy. Got good music. um I admittedly didn't like really get into his music until until he passed away.
00:18:11
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h Same. I mean, he died in 2009. I was 14. And so like whenever it happened, I understood like the gravity of the situation and like what we lost.
00:18:23
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But I had never like really dived deep into his music. So i didn't become like more of a fan until after he passed away. Alex? Alex?
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What's your relationship with Michael, Alex? Tell us about your relationship with Michael Jackson right now. Well, this one time I got invited to Neverland. was written all over your face.
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Here's the thing.
00:18:58
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I was not that old when he died, right? And my parents, I don't think, were never the the hugest fan of him. like They always like respected the talent and stuff like that.
00:19:10
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So I didn't really get into him until I started doing like my own music dive. um But I remember we were at this Thai restaurant in Westerly, Rhode Island. we were going there. and I get a call on the my little flip phone from my best buddy, and he was like, bro, Michael Jackson just died.
00:19:28
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What? So we go into the restaurant and they're on the news as Michael Jackson had just died. um
00:19:36
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Yeah, he, yeah I mean, controversial guy, right? Don't want mince words, even though I already did.
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um But yeah, controversial guy. I think he's the greatest entertainer of all time. I agree. he you know Separating the art from the artist here, right I don't think we've ever seen someone who can sing and dance at that level. I mean, the guy's crazy talented.
00:20:09
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He moved in ways that I didn't even know like a human could move.
00:20:15
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And don't think anyone alive even eclipse like eclipses him in any way, shape, or form. not even None of the huge stars right now. Nobody comes close No one comes close. I mean, you got like Michael Jackson, he'd grown men like feigning at the concert.
00:20:33
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Yeah. Like grown men just going in nuts over MJ. You had, according to this movie, you had like the Bloods and the Crips came together because this guy was so good at dancing. Yeah.
00:20:48
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You know, real quick, I did think that part of the movie was silly. And, like, immediately after, I'm just like, okay, I gotta see, like, what's real and what's fake, what was dramatized for the movie or not. That happened.
00:20:59
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He, like, actually cast real blood and crip members in that music video. Ow! And... I wish we had like real life footage of that conversation. i don't think it was like, I don't know. It just felt very like cheesy in the actual movie. We're going to put your aside and we're going to dance.
00:21:18
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The universal thing we all have here is music. Dance. They're like, all right, cool. For sure. he's But it happened. He's not wrong. It worked.
00:21:31
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And that's insane. Like, yeah you could you see Taylor Swift mending gang relations? Yes. I could see that. Yeah, I can do. she shut Taylor Swift, theyve ever been to Compton?
00:21:46
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You want to go? Let's get you out here. I'd pay money to see Taylor Swift walking down like Crenshaw Boulevard. you like that No security, no cameras.
00:21:58
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He's doing like push-ups in the parking lot. I don't think I've seen that video. You haven't seen that? of Of Bieber? Yeah. You'll have to send it. Yeah, I'll send it.
00:22:09
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Yeah, there are like, we will never see this type of fame and star again. Like, Michael Jackson really was one of one.
00:22:24
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And in the past and seeing concert videos, we all know like the Super Bowl aura video. Like you see these things and. It goes so ridiculous. It's it's ridiculous, ridiculously hard.
00:22:36
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Like I still find it hard to.
00:22:41
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Like fully realize that like that was a real person like that was a legit star. And his impact will, i think, be felt for generations. And and we will we can talk about like his music and everything like that. But literally one of one. And so I think trying to approach making a biopic about this...
00:23:07
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bigger than life movie star, for me, kind of just seemed doomed from the very beginning. Because I'm like, how do you put to film in a two hour runtime, how do you put to film like the the the fame and the nuance and the tragedy of somebody of this magnitude?
00:23:30
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Like, I just feel like you can't. Like it's, there are multiple ways I think you could approach a story um But I don't know. What it what were you guys' expectations going into this movie?
00:23:42
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I had my doubts that they could fully capture the life and the the stardom of Michael. But um I feel like in some ways they did a really great job.
00:23:53
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But going into it, I think it's pretty reasonable to not expect anyone to be able to replicate his magic. I don't think I had any expectations for this other than like this is every biopic I've ever seen. Like, I already know how this is going to go.
00:24:10
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But that was my expectation going in. I'm like, unless they take, like, the Rocketman route, I was like, it's going to be exactly the same. i was really curious to see how they handled a couple certain things. Yeah. Which we'll get into.
00:24:27
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But, yeah, I didn't have, like, any expectations. So Antoine Fuqua, the director of this, he has directed Training Day, The Guilty, Southpaw, The Equalizer 1, 2, and 3, The Magnificent 7, and most famously, Olympus Has Fallen.
00:24:48
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um Not the director that I would think would take on a project like this based on his filmography. very This is very different from the more... I don't know how you'd even describe it. Action heavy.
00:25:02
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Yeah, just very action heavy. Maybe he just loves MJ. i mean, he probably does. I mean, I'm sure that the MJ estate had a lot of say in who gets involved with telling the story. So...
00:25:17
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They're probably similar age too. So he probably feels like from the same generation of artists. Yeah, man. Could you imagine growing up in like the sixties, seventies, eighties when, when he was like at his peak,
00:25:35
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I couldn't imagine. He was born in 65 and in Pittsburgh, so like geographically fairly similar area to where the Jackson 5 was doing their thing originally.
00:25:48
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Gary, Indiana. My grandma lived there for a bit. Really? Yep. Never been down to Gary. Don't ever go. I'm fine. I don't think I will. um One other thing i wanted to shout out from the crew is the cinematographer is Dion Beebe.
00:26:05
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um He has shot Edge of Tomorrow, Collateral, Memoirs of a Geisha, and it says here he's slated for Heat 2. Oh.
00:26:16
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oh no two Very good. cool um Let's start with with what works in this. Movie obviously opens up with Michael and his childhood.
00:26:34
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We're missing half of the siblings. We only see the Jackson 5. um And Latoya. And Latoya. What works for you guys in this movie? Musical numbers.
00:26:46
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Yeah, I think the dancing and music was pretty good, like all things considered. The concerts were awesome. Yeah. Like the the Human Nature ah performance was sick.
00:26:57
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Yeah, I kind of want to talk about that now because that is my favorite part of this movie. it It seems like it's everyone's favorite part. Like Human Nature is such a good song. And i think that performance, it's ah it's towards the very end of the movie. It's in the like the last 15 minutes.
00:27:14
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But watching that performance, i was like I think that was the one time in the movie where I was just kind of like, wow.
00:27:22
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That's crazy. the The song has been in my head for like a week now. When did you guys watch this? ah Last weekend. Okay. think it was opening weekend.
00:27:34
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Friday, maybe. Thursday, Friday. Yeah. Yeah. Just watch it on Sunday. And yeah, human nature has just been ah so good. why Just listening to the crowd, like seeing, man, would have left to go to those concerts.
00:27:51
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Um, Are you stumped already? No, I'm not stumped. I was just trying to think like where, like, like what else I want to shout out for like what's for like what works. um As far as like the beginning of the movie, we're watching the Jackson 5. I did want to shout out ah the actor for who played young Michael.
00:28:11
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I thought he did a great job. He did do a great job. For sure. So did Jafar. You don't think so? I think the hair and makeup was really, really good. I think the hair and makeup, yeah, was point. And I think his dancing was pretty good. You can't give credit to the singing, the dancing, the, I guess the level of acting without any experience.
00:28:35
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I mean, I know he grew up with a famous family, but.
00:28:39
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It's, it's a complicated show with the hair and makeup. There were so many times, especially like as we get later and later into the movie where there are like split second shots of Jafar where I'm like, holy shit.
00:28:51
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That's what I just like, him yeah it looks just like him. Like, so full props for the hair makeup team because they, they put in the work. There were a lot of times where I was like, holy shit, this looks like absolutely amazing. Um, great dancer.
00:29:06
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I yeah saw someone in the one stars when I was coming through for my love like loathe. um they yeah They were hating on the dancing. It's like, oh, he's not as good as MJ. I was like, okay, first of all, no, he's not going to be is i be as good as MJ. MJ was the GOAT.
00:29:20
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Yeah.
00:29:25
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It was pretty good. i mean, basically, there there were two camps in the one stars. People who thought the movie was garbage because of some allegations.
00:29:38
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um And people who were huge MJ fans and were like, this sucks because it's not MJ. i feel like They need to hang out in a bar together.
00:29:51
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all night. Yeah. you I feel like neither are valid in theaters. this is No, I don't, I don't think neither are valid either. And I feel like with both with the half stars and the five stars, like you're going to find like MJ lovers.
00:30:06
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It's interesting to see a big group of people like purely like love this movie because of their like adoration for Michael Jackson. And then like you were saying in your reviews that you found Alex, people that were just like, yeah, that's not MJ.
00:30:20
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Duh. He's dead. God, Jafar is an idiot. Why did he even try? The singing in the movie. Did Jafar sing or did did he kind of just lip sync a lot of Michael Jackson's actual tracks?
00:30:36
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Do you guys know? I assume he lip synced a lot. That was my assumption. Same. Yeah. i Yeah, I don't know. I can't confirm. But I think he did sing a little bit.
00:30:48
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Okay. Okay. If I'm not mistaken, he does sing. I'm sure he's some type of like like performer or anything like that. um Now, understanding that this is his first role and a very big role, I think those are huge shoes to fill.
00:31:05
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Yeah. I mean, the pressure couldn't be higher. Yeah. And the pressure is insane. The pressure would be insane for anybody to play this, but for like a direct family member to do it as well.
00:31:16
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I can't even like fathom the amount of pressure that that must have felt like. So I have the only other time I can think of something like that is when O'Shea Jackson Jr. played Ice Cube in Straight Compton. Right.
00:31:30
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That one was like, duh, that one just made sense, though. And I feel like we had seen O'Shea other things. No, by that point. I don't remember. Maybe he's just around now that I forget that maybe that was his first role. I'm not sure.
00:31:45
Speaker
um But unfortunately, said Ice Cube is not Michael Jackson. it's a little They're pretty similar. Similar levels of fame, right? Sure.
00:31:57
Speaker
Global success, Ice Cube. Ice Cube stands. Yeah. All 15 of them were like, Ice Cube is is actually they he's the MJ of Compton, if you think about it.
00:32:10
Speaker
Where my are we there yet heads? so um All that to say, I think the acting from Jafar is very subpar.
00:32:21
Speaker
I don't know if it's him. I will say I think a lot of this is the writing. I think the writing is it's it gets tough in some spots. yeah and so i think he'd go ahead okay no no go ahead no no no go i've been reacting it's not like he's well i i i guess another challenge is that michael didn't act like a normal person he spoke differently he just like presented himself in a very not normal way yeah so i i don't know
00:32:58
Speaker
i totally I get what you mean. And that's what I was like struggling with coming into this episode. i started to struggle with the question of should should we have made this movie? Should this movie exist, basically?
00:33:11
Speaker
A lot of people will tell you no. Would anyone here say no? No.
00:33:20
Speaker
It's different because I will say yes. It feels like such a tall task and... You hit the nail on the head, Tachi. He's a one-of-one person that any portrayal of him, maybe, I could be wrong.
00:33:37
Speaker
I'm not proven right, though. Or I've not been proven wrong with one what I'm about to say. They just feel like caricatures. it he did There were a lot of moments where he felt very caricatured, especially when he was like talking to like kids or... like like these are my These aren't my fans. They're my family.
00:33:58
Speaker
Yeah. Like, like things I'm sure he said something like that, but how many of those moments that were jam-packed into the movie, it was like, can't you let him, like, be normal?
00:34:12
Speaker
Because he was still he wasn't like a robot. He was a really odd, strange guy, and that's not even the half of it. But he...
00:34:23
Speaker
the The grace that I'll give him is that he had an extremely hard upbringing. Right. To the point where I don't think he ever really grew up.
00:34:36
Speaker
Normally. He didn't grow into like a well-adjusted normal person. That guy didn't have a normal life at all. Not one iota sliver of it at all. Right. No hope.
00:34:48
Speaker
But he was still like a ah human being. like you know He wasn't... non-functional he was a pretty good businessman he was as far as i understand pretty good with the ladies he was married a couple times so you know it's not like he was super awkward around other people he just was weird like but i don't know there's something weird about like the way they like how infantile they portrayed him yeah
00:35:21
Speaker
There's also a lot of and and I don't know how accurate this is, but in the movie, they basically isolated him all the time. Like he was he he was never really friendly with any of his siblings, obviously not with his dad, I guess a little bit with his mom, but he did not have friends at all other than like his driver, who obviously was paid to be his bodyguard. But yeah, he was just like a really lonely guy.
00:35:51
Speaker
And I don't think that helped either. there's There's a lot that goes into Michael Jackson as a person. Like were saying, like he's a very nuanced individual. Yeah.
00:36:03
Speaker
And... I do feel like there are more interesting ways to go about telling a story of of a person like this. And I just feel, for me, the movie as a whole just took like the least interesting route to explore that. like I don't know. This just felt to me like Wikipedia pages put to screen with...
00:36:27
Speaker
with concert footage. Like if that's that, that's what it felt like to me by the end of the day, like really what works for me is the songs. And that's just because those are Michael Jackson songs. It's not anything that the movie really brought, you know, the other thing that really didn't work for me.
00:36:43
Speaker
And before and I'm putting a pin in something that I'm gonna immediately come back to you. No one ages in this movie at all outside of like Michael.
00:36:57
Speaker
Like his dad, his mom. Yeah, they don't age. His brothers never really age. The biggest... um like the biggest examples I can ah i can think of are um the the music lady, like the the ah agent, the the girl who was in Spider-Man.
00:37:20
Speaker
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. her Laura Harrier. um She doesn't age the entire movie. No, yeah, because I think 20 years or something had passed, like by the end of it when we see her again, and she's like, she just looks completely the same.
00:37:34
Speaker
Like it was just Laurie Harvey again. And then the the producer guy, who's Quincy Jones, he doesn't age at all either.
00:37:47
Speaker
He just dressed differently. like They put him in like an era-appropriate outfit. and It's like, oh, I'm in the 70s now. like Him, so the casting choice for Quincy Jones and for basically like everybody in this movie, I think the casting department did a great job, a phenomenal job.
00:38:04
Speaker
I saw some like pictures just like comparing real-life counterparts compared to the movie. And like they cooked. People did cook here. Apparently Mike Myers was in this movie?
00:38:15
Speaker
That, okay, I wanted to see if you guys noticed that. I'm noticing it now. I'm looking at Letterboxd. Isn't that insane? Yeah. Mike Myers was the CBS president.
00:38:26
Speaker
Yeah, he was a studio exec. yeah, yeah. Tatcha, did you recognize him in the movie? Yeah. Really? m i didn't realize until I got home and a YouTube video told me.
00:38:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah. just As soon as he came on screen. Maybe it's my trauma from watching Austin Powers so much as a child. He apparently was also in Bohemian Rhapsody. Yeah, so there's like a cinematic universe going on of Mike Myers being like a studio head. Nice.
00:38:55
Speaker
Dude, speaking of cinematic universes, this is the second time he's appeared... In a movie I watched the last 30 days. Don King. Don King.
00:39:07
Speaker
The hair. ah That guy. That guy needs a biopic. But I've seen two movies with Don King in it in the last 30 days. What was the last one? ah The Devil's Advocate with Keanu Reeves and Al Pacino.
00:39:22
Speaker
There's a Don King cameo. Like the actual Don King. Y'all know about Don King? No. You know who Don King was? I know Don King, but like if there's something specific, no.
00:39:36
Speaker
That guy needs a biopic. That guy lived a crazy life. like Marty Supreme level shenanigans. I'd love to watch it. And he just kept getting away with it. In perpetuity.
00:39:49
Speaker
I mean, sounds he was... I'm pretty sure he like literally fixed boxing matches. He organized ah this massive title fight in the Congo and in the Philippines.
00:40:04
Speaker
ah But the one in the Congo, ah Rumble in the Jungle, he It was Ollie versus Frazier. I think Ollie versus Joe Frazier.
00:40:15
Speaker
That sounds familiar. Do you know who put up the purse money for this fight?
00:40:22
Speaker
$5 million a piece to get them to fight each other. I'm going to guess a musician. No. No, you're going to be like, what, when I tell you? What year?
00:40:33
Speaker
This is the 70s. I'm not a musician. Politician? Yes. Hmm.
00:40:46
Speaker
I'll go with, uh, this wild dart, bro. Uh, George H.W. Bush. No. I like that guess.
00:40:57
Speaker
Who was it?
00:41:01
Speaker
Muammar Gaddafi. Oh. Whoa. Okay. He helped finance this giant title fight okay in the middle of the Congo.
00:41:13
Speaker
Cool. So we need a Don King biopic. We need a Don King biopic. sounds Or like a Rumble in the Jungle biopic. I would love biopics of like specific events. Okay, yes. um Because Rumble the Jungle not only was like a crazy title fight. It's where like the Muhammad Ali like rope-a-dope thing came from.
00:41:32
Speaker
yeah Okay, got it. um But
00:41:37
Speaker
crazy title fight. In this crazy location, and there was a crazy music festival. Have you guys ever seen the the video of James Brown coming into a concert? Like the best concert entrance ever?
00:41:51
Speaker
No, I've seen Lil Yachty's concert entrance. Well, do yourself a favor and look up James Brown, Zaire, like 1973, I think. Okay. If you type in James Brown, Zaire, it'll be the first thing that comes up. Just watch like the first 30 seconds.
00:42:09
Speaker
45 seconds. Watch till he comes on stage and starts singing. It is insane. The coke was pure back then. but I'll tell you that much. That's what it was exactly. yeah But, yeah, Don King, and the Don King, to go back to Don King, the Don King actor was cast really well because he looked exactly like Don King.
00:42:31
Speaker
Yeah, casting apartment cook, for sure. But I want to talk about, this is where I'm going back to with the pin, ah Malik, Coleman Domingo's performance. Because I liked it. I thought he did a decent job. I liked it too.
00:42:46
Speaker
wasn't his best work, but I thought it good. I thought What did mean? No. I thought he did the best he could with what I thought was a mediocre script.
00:42:58
Speaker
um And also, like I love Coleman Domingo. And I know Michael Jackson's dad looks like that. But it was just it was tough it was tough to look at. I'm sorry. It was. Like, the makeup department, like, they cooked, but I don't know if I liked it.
00:43:17
Speaker
It's a very complicated emotion. I think he did as best as he could. um i do lean more towards the side of not liking his performance, though. It felt... It just... knowing I really thought he was one of the best performances in the movie.
00:43:34
Speaker
Wow. Well, and here's the crazy bit is where you go, I agree. And then look into the camera and go. I agree.
00:43:47
Speaker
i don't agree. So who do you think was the best performance in the movie?
00:43:53
Speaker
I'm gonna have to give it to the the kid, Michael. Hmm. He was really good. He was really good. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
00:44:04
Speaker
but that seems That scene in the studio with him and ah Quincy was so sweet. it was That was a very sweet scene. yeah He gave him a hug and I was like, oh, my heart. Got ugly ass demon lurking in the corner. Joe Jackson like leering in the background. Joe Jackson's a scary man.
00:44:25
Speaker
Smells of sulfur. He looks like he does. The walking demon. I'll throw it to you guys for for other positives that work for you before we get into any bad anymore.
00:44:40
Speaker
No. Bad. I'm bad. The movie opens but while the the distributor cards are flying around on screen in the production companies.
00:44:55
Speaker
The first thing you hear in this movie, almost stood up. was
00:45:05
Speaker
That's why we go to the movies. It really is. I kind of respect it. I mean, incredible. Do you know how long Michael Jackson noises have been like a bit in my friend group?
00:45:19
Speaker
Forever. Exactly. It feels like they've always been there. Yeah. So for them to to pick the most iconic Michael Jackson noise, which is he, he.
00:45:32
Speaker
And that is the first thing you hear. It's like, you know what? I'm in. I'm putting a really good mood. I think the opening three minutes are like electric.
00:45:47
Speaker
With him, it's 1988. He's in his ah bad outfit. We don't see his face. We just see the back of him. We see the glove. We see the hair. I'm like, all right.
00:45:59
Speaker
We're in for something very special here. How do you guys think? What do you guys think about Jafar? I thought he was hit or miss. There are a lot of really flat line reads. And I understand that Michael just kind of talked like that, like that cadence. But still, there were a couple moments where I was like, that was the best take.
00:46:21
Speaker
You couldn't hit me with another like, oh, bubbles, I rescued you from a sanctuary. Allegedly.
00:46:32
Speaker
ah Thoughts on Miles Teller as John Branca? I completely forgot he was in this movie, so he comes on screen. I'm like, is that Miles Teller? I'm like, why does he look so old?
00:46:44
Speaker
I said, Miles Teller, what are you doing here? It was fine. I think he just kind of there. Yeah, why did he pick this role? I don't know. There must be more in... Oh, well, spoiler.
00:46:56
Speaker
And we'll talk about this a little bit more in a bit. But the movie ends with, Michael's story will continue in Avengers Doomsday. Michael will return. So we are we are getting Michael Part 2, which is hopefully, and I stole this from a Letterboxd review, called Jackson.
00:47:14
Speaker
That'd be great. That would actually be sick. But I'm going to guess there's more to what he's got or in what they left on the cutting room floor. There was more of him. Right.
00:47:28
Speaker
I think there was a lot left on the cutting room floor. I mean, there has to be. Yeah. um Allegedly. That's ignorant. Yeah, this was apparently ah like they had three and a half hours of a final cut that got cut down to two hours.
00:47:46
Speaker
That's nuts.
Impact of Reshoots on Film's Third Act
00:47:47
Speaker
There's a whole movie left on the cutting room floor. There's a whole movie, and they did have to reshoot the entire third act in its entirety because of a certain clause in ah some type of, like, contracts. So apparently what they originally shot...
00:48:05
Speaker
following like the thriller slash like bad era was the allegations. the The first one, the first one um that came in the late eighties, early nineties.
00:48:17
Speaker
Apparently the movie opened up with something like that. And then also the third act kind of followed the aftermath of those allegations. Now it's insane that they shot an entire third act without knowing that they couldn't do that.
00:48:33
Speaker
Like I said, Michael Jackson's estate was heavily involved with this. So it's crazy that they went that far, but that mistake cost them, I think an extra 15 million in the budget as well as push the movie back an entire year. This movie was supposed to come out last April of 2025.
00:48:50
Speaker
um And I can feel the reshoots like in the movie. The last 30, 40 minutes is basically just the recreation of a live concert.
00:49:01
Speaker
Now we get human nature, the human nature performance, which I said is my favorite part of the movie. But from like a narrative standpoint, it's like, it's very, it's very choppy.
00:49:14
Speaker
And it ends what feels like very abruptly. Yeah. Like it says Michael will return and then you're kind of just like, oh, oh, that's it. You know, yeah um what are you guys thoughts on the like the final third act?
00:49:32
Speaker
I did seem weird. Yeah, I agree with all that. It did feel a little strange. And. um the The thing with the Pepsi ad and his head getting burned and almost killing him is, it was news to me.
00:49:48
Speaker
And that was crazy. Yeah. I had no idea. Wow. I feel like I knew that happened, but like I had completely forgotten about it until then. Whoa. i was like, oh yeah, he did have burns, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:03
Speaker
That's kind of what started the the string of surgeries, if I'm not mistaken. Most likely, yeah. Yeah. Cam also had no idea about that. Life-riding is crazy. Mm-hmm.
00:50:14
Speaker
Well, that's that's how he got hooked on painkillers. Yeah.
00:50:19
Speaker
That's so sad. For sure. All because of Coleman Domingo. God damn it, Coleman Domingo. I'm not going to be able to look at him for a while.
00:50:32
Speaker
ah One of my favorite line reads is in the hospital. He's talking to one of the kids. And he's like, you know who Charlie Chaplin is? And the kid's like, yeah. And he's like, no, you don't.
00:50:44
Speaker
You're such doo-doo that so like I've seen some clips of him where it's like, yeah, that sounds like something he'd say. But then the kid's just like... no No reaction.
00:51:00
Speaker
Imagine shouldn' like being sick in the hospital and some guy's calling you a tootoo head.
00:51:07
Speaker
He's like the grandson of Charlie Chaplin. Yeah. There's spammy nails in the chat.
00:51:14
Speaker
You idiot. You don't know who Charlie Chaplin is? who Fuck ass.
00:51:23
Speaker
Um, what doesn't work here for you guys? Anything that doesn't work for you, Tachi? I feel like you're, uh, you're against me. Yeah, I think I'm the most positive so far.
00:51:34
Speaker
Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, it's, it's not the most well-written movie. It's, it's choppy. It's, it doesn't really focus on anything. It's just like a, a recap of things, his life. Um,
00:51:52
Speaker
It just doesn't, it stays really surface level. And um I don't know, it makes me really curious about the intention of the movie.
00:52:03
Speaker
And i'm I'm sure we can, well, I guess we've brushed a little bit on it, but like like, why was this movie made? What are they trying to convey? um Why are they doing it now?
00:52:15
Speaker
um I guess a lot of my speculation, knowing that it was a legal thing, that they didn't include any of the the the legal issues that he was going through. Well, it was like, I mean, correct me if i'm a wrong, Malik. I know you read the article more than I did. It was like legal issue around the portrayal of the accuser.
00:52:35
Speaker
Yes. So.
00:52:39
Speaker
So they could included some Did they know that that clause was there? And then we're like, yeah.
00:52:48
Speaker
Now we can't portray MJ as a pedo. Right. They painted him in a really positive light and that he was primarily a victim, which is true.
00:53:02
Speaker
I mean, he was he was abused his entire life by almost everybody. um
00:53:09
Speaker
But yeah, we we really didn't get to see any of, I guess, his perspective from all of the accusations from, you know, whatever.
00:53:21
Speaker
And I guess I don't know that i consider that like a fault of the movie because i don't know. i mean, and it's, it's their family member. They can tell whatever the story they want to tell. It's not really up to me, but I don't know.
00:53:40
Speaker
I just think it's interesting trying to think of it from their perspective and and why they're doing it. And if there's any like financial motivation or well, It's got to be, right? There's financial motivation. For sure.
00:53:53
Speaker
You have the biggest cash cow. You're sitting on the the you know the the Jackson name. It's like Coca-Cola. Yeah. Come on. This movie's like guaranteed. Do we think this movie will hit a billion dollars right now? It's the second highest grossing biopic of all time, right behind Bohemian Rhapsody.
00:54:10
Speaker
Um, as of a few hours ago, this movie globally just crossed about 600 million in the box office. Bohemian Rhapsody landed at about 900 million. Um, as soon as I saw that this movie was coming out, I was like, this could make a billion dollars.
00:54:27
Speaker
A bub billion. Bubbles the chimp. Sure. Yeah. Could they have done something better with that chimp?
00:54:38
Speaker
Yeah. CGI? They could have hired the Better Man visual effects team for Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. The primate guy. Or the primate. Bro got Ben delivered to his front door. and Burn.
00:54:53
Speaker
The box opens. He's like covered in blood wearing a t-shirt. Yeah.
00:55:00
Speaker
He's holding the scalp of that one girl. Michael's like, I rescued him. i me Primate will return.
00:55:15
Speaker
Speaking of his his pets, this is really dark, but apparently his dad ah murdered the the mouse or rat right in front of Michael, like slaughtered it.
00:55:28
Speaker
That's insane. No way. like Like in front of him as punishment for something. I don't know that i go to the validity to that, but that's what I've heard. I'm going to believe it. I wouldn't put it past Coleman.
00:55:40
Speaker
No. Coleman specifically yeah went into Jafar's trailer.
00:55:49
Speaker
i just I just looked it up. Okay. Bubbles was apparently born in Austin, Texas in 1983 and is still alive. Bubbles is alive.
00:56:03
Speaker
At the Center for Great Apes Wachula, Florida. And from pronouncing that native Wachulans, shut up.
00:56:16
Speaker
No, but I wanted to find this story because speaking of Bubbles the Chimp, One of the funniest things I've read in relation to Michael Jackson was this bit about Freddie Mercury. was right off the Wikipedia page, so that's where I credit this. According to author David Wig, Queen singer Freddie Mercury grew frustrated trying to record a duet with Jackson. There must be more to life than this because of Jackson's insistence that bubbles be in the studio. According to Wig, Michael made bubbles sit between them and would turn to the chimp between takes and ask, don't you think that was lovely? Or do you think we should do that again?
00:56:55
Speaker
After a few days of this, Freddie just exploded. I'm not performing with a chimp sitting next to me each night. He left the project and released the song as a solo artist in 1985.
00:57:08
Speaker
wow
00:57:11
Speaker
All my parents just want to treat a monkey as an equal. Yeah. Apparently Bubbles also bit Rashida Jones as a kid. Really? Yeah.
00:57:22
Speaker
It's Quincy Jones's daughter. so there Oh, yeah. Duh. Yeah. Really? Isn't that crazy? I found that out when Quincy died recently. Had no idea that.
00:57:33
Speaker
Rashida Jones was his daughter. Like actress Rashida Jones? Actress Rashida Jones. the other one. Of Parks and Rec fame. Is Quincy Jones' daughter. The one who works at H-E-B, that Rashida Jones. Okay. Different Rashida Jones. Really confusing. It is. Yeah, apparently Bubbles bit her when she was a kid. hu Like, hard? like I think it was, I mean, fine, not hard enough to...
00:58:02
Speaker
enter like totally started out for jokes I mean they still kept bubbles after so I guess it was fine this is for taking Jim away from Pam you don't know what you do yet it's a time machine it's like one of those like kill baby Hitler
00:58:24
Speaker
agent bubbles
00:58:29
Speaker
ah um I mean, what else to say about Michael? Hi, Rick.
00:58:37
Speaker
Shemona. Shemona. Any other highlights that were missing from the movie? I really like the line...
00:58:49
Speaker
Of Michael Jackson bathing in the sun. And he's like, if I don't receive the messages from God or if I miss it, he's going to give them them, give them to Prince. i I thought that was really funny. That was really funny. I really liked that.
00:59:02
Speaker
What did Prince do to deserve that line? I got to know the beef between the Jacksons and Prince. Same. Is it cause he came up with the whole, I'm a symbol thing before Michael Jackson could think of it.
00:59:14
Speaker
Maybe. Could be. Could be. I should turn my name into a symbol.
00:59:20
Speaker
the podcaster formerly known as Alex.
00:59:26
Speaker
Um, yeah, I mean, i guess for like my closing thoughts for the movie, um, I, I think there was just more, a more interesting way to tell, to tell this type of story. Like this just, it just felt like a highlight slash low light reel followed by made up or not made up, but like reshot concert footage.
00:59:48
Speaker
Um, I thought a lot of the shots of the crowds were quite bad. um Kind of took me out of it from like a visual effects standpoint. Like you could just, just people just look fake.
01:00:03
Speaker
And a lot of it and like everyone had a I don't know everyone had like a an iPhone face. You guys seen like the arguments about that? No. What is that like? Like it's hard to have like Lily Rose Depp in like a period piece because she's got oh she's got a face where like she knows what an iPhone is, you know?
01:00:21
Speaker
Yeah. um It felt like that for a lot of the crowd shots. I'm like these just look like current people. And I think the whole movie just felt very, like shot-wise, very clean.
01:00:32
Speaker
And I just didn't feel like transported into like the time or place. I don't know. I just, I was not locked into this movie, guys. I did not like it.
01:00:44
Speaker
m No heat. It's a shame. Yeah. I did. I had a great time. Sum it up for us. What are your closing thoughts?
01:00:55
Speaker
I was bouncing my feet during every song. um The Thriller recreation was fun. But yeah, no. I think just to recap, it was really surface level.
01:01:06
Speaker
and Didn't cover any of the legal battles. But Jafar danced his his butt off. Little Michael sang his face off.
01:01:21
Speaker
Coleman Domingo iss an evil person. And um
01:01:29
Speaker
Miles Teller was there. He was there.
01:01:36
Speaker
I don't know. i had a good time. If the movie's point is to make us retroactively go back and listen to Michael Jackson and watch the music videos and watch the live concerts, if that was the point, I will consider it successful because that's all I've been doing.
01:02:00
Speaker
So I will give it that. But it's not a good movie to you. But i think it's a I think it's a dog shit movie. I'm not going to lie. That's ah that's a strong, declaration. I do feel pretty strongly about this movie. I think... Actually, Alex, you do your summation and then I'll close it up before we give our ratings.
01:02:25
Speaker
I liked it.
01:02:28
Speaker
What would you sooner rewatch, Malik? This or Lee Cronin's The Mummy? Lee Cronin's The Mummy. Oh my god. I'd watch it tomorrow. Get help. What would you rather re-watch? This or 2001 A Space Odyssey?
01:02:41
Speaker
Ooh. This because it's got human nature? You should not be allowed anywhere near a microphone. We have got to get rid of your opinions.
01:02:56
Speaker
It all started with the last one. Jackson? Malik? I'm above? Yeah. Tetris-formation Alex, you just liked it Yeah, it was it was good was a good time. I i had fun. I also, again, went it's like how to make a killing. I went in with like low expectations. So i was just like, oh, that was really fun. yeah i was in a good mood. It opened with hee hee.
01:03:17
Speaker
very I wanted it to get a little deeper about like the the the the allegations. I don't really know too much about them. I i never watched them. don't either. Same. What was it? Leaving Neverland? or Yeah, Leaving Neverland.
01:03:32
Speaker
Yeah, one of those. I never watched that. um Can't watch it now. Why not? It's not available anywhere. you the only way The only way to watch it is through a VPN on for like Japan. I think their Netflix has it.
01:03:47
Speaker
But as of 2024, Michael Jackson estate took it off um for similar reasons in that clause for why they had to do the reshoots. Something with the...
01:04:02
Speaker
Well, that wouldn't make sense. The way they portrayed people. Something like that. Did they make that movie? No. But then how would that be affected? Like they just called it out. There might have been maybe some like fair use. I don't know if there are any actual like songs used in the movie.
01:04:19
Speaker
Maybe they own like all of his likeness and something. They were able they they were able to take it down. That's all I know. That's not... Okay, I gotta read more about this. I don't really know too much about it. Same. Other than... i think I really know a little bit more about the first one. Like, the one that supposedly, allegedly, got removed from the ah from the this movie.
01:04:41
Speaker
Like, that's the only one I really kind of know about. But even then, I don't know that much about it. I just... You know, it's like the R. Kelly documentary that came out. i I watched the first episode of that one, i was like, you know what?
01:04:53
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Like... I don't want to sit through like six hours of this. Yeah. Like this is really upsetting to listen to and i don't like it. and It's bad. And i don't want to listen to it.
01:05:07
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No, I'm not disrespecting any victims or like, you know, making light of their claims. It's just like something was like, i you know, I'm, I'm good.
01:05:18
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Yeah. I, I, I don't want to listen to this. I, uh, I appreciate the bravery for coming and speaking about it, but it was just like, I can't, I was just, you know, it may not, come not in a place to watch it. Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:34
Speaker
Makes sense. Yeah, I do want to dive deeper into and to that side of Michael for sure. um I am very curious what the inevitable sequel will be about.
01:05:49
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If these are the issues they're running into, like, is it going to get into all of that or or not? I don't know. but Shafar's going to turn into the camera and break the fourth wall and be like,
01:06:01
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You know, I was never actually convicted of anything in a criminal court and no charges were brought against me. This was all civil conjecture. And then go back to the movie.
01:06:12
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fives Five stars. I wonder how they're going to do his makeup as well. It's going to be tricky. It's going to get trickier. Yeah, i like the one scene with the vitiligo foreshadowing.
01:06:25
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Yeah. and they They kind of did that more towards the end too with all like the flashes as he's walking down the hallway. Just giving him that white complexion. was like, oh.
01:06:37
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little nod. Sure. um
01:06:42
Speaker
Final ratings? Sure. i don't want to go first today. All right. Team Money, go first. I don't want to go. 3.5 out of 5. three point five out of five
01:06:56
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I think for me, a low 3.5 or a high three. I had fun. I had fun. It's a fun movie. i did I did have a good time.
01:07:08
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Um... Yeah, I feel like my heart set a 3.5 when I walked out. So I'll go with that. I'll go with 3.5. I'll be kind and merciful before Malik absolutely pisses on it.
01:07:22
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um I'm giving this a 2.5 out of 5. Oh, that's way better than I thought after how you're talking about it. 2.5 is not absolute dog shit. It's saved because it has Michael Jackson songs in there.
01:07:36
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Because it's got human nature. yeah Like that performance was like absolutely electric. For sure. Just hearing the crowd just sing back to him. And like so many moments in that specific performance where I legit was like, that's Michael.
01:07:52
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and and i And I did get like emotional. like it just did Jafar did a great job in and some of those parts, for sure. um So yeah, I feel good with the 2.5. Okay.
01:08:04
Speaker
It's tolerable. Oh, forgot to mention this. My mom and dad have both seen Michael Jackson. In concert? like Yeah. In person? Yeah, in concert. wow Wow. What did they think of the...
01:08:17
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You didn't know that before? My mom just told me a couple days ago. What did they say about it? Did they enjoy their time? i don't think she remembers. Damn. Yeah.
01:08:29
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I'd remember. I think she remembers that it was fun, but like nothing specific. it I mean, it was like, what? Almost 40 years ago? I'd remember. Okay. i probably i probably i probably wouldn't remember.
01:08:42
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um One thing that I actually didn't know, which is why I also want to dive deeper into his story, was the whole victory tour with the Jackson 5 following thriller. I didn't know about any of that. Me neither.
01:08:54
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It's very sad and crazy that he did that. Because, I mean, yeah at the end of the day, it probably did just become like the Michael Jackson show. Yeah.
01:09:05
Speaker
With his other brothers. Yeah, we didn't even hit on like a lot of the siblings being left out. Janet Jackson's not involved in this at all. Yeah, that really pump faked me because I was like, where's Janet? Wasn't Janet his sister? And I'm like, she's daughter? I'm like, no. She's like a cousin?
01:09:22
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it was like second guessing myself the whole movie. And then I looked up. I'm like, oh, yeah, she was a sister. Yeah. Youngest sister. What happened to Janet? don't know. don't know. I'm not sure why she was wasn't in this.
01:09:33
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Do you think in part two they're going to do the thing with the gun? What's the thing with the gun? Oh, the... Oh. With the soldier? I saw the, like a longer clip of that. I always just see just him putting down the gun and someone was like, I swear to God, he's laughing in this and he's putting the gun down. And it's like the way he like, he's putting his head on and you can see him smile. And then he like puts his head away and they're like, he's not emotional. Like he was laughing. Like, I don't think he liked doing this. He's like laughing at how ridiculous it is. my My favorite bit is when it cuts to the crowd. There's like people like fearful. Yeah.
01:10:12
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what think about the he my god you like
01:10:18
Speaker
My favorite meme is that but reversed of him lifting the gun up letting it go. It's me every single Monday. um Good times, dude. Good times.
01:10:34
Speaker
feel like there was something I saw Janet Jackson in concert last year, a couple years ago. Wow. i't remember how old she is, but she puts on a show. Gotta be in her 60s? Yeah, it was at the Moody Center.
01:10:50
Speaker
You can't go to the movie center anymore? Oh. I don't need to.
01:10:56
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She's out there moving like that. It's crazy. um Apparently, that music video for Scream, Janet and Michael, is the most expensive music video to date.
01:11:09
Speaker
Why? cgi effects and schedules it went up to like the budget balloon to seven million which in today's dollars is like 15.7 million and i'm not mistaken it's still like the most expensive music video there ever was anything else i think that about i think i've he'd my last he i think of shah my last mona
01:11:38
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shamon I lied. think I've... Ow! My last... Ow!
01:11:45
Speaker
Alright. Well, that about does it. ah Thank you so much for listening to this episode. We will see you guys in the next one. Bye. Which is, I think, to be determined. Yes, now it is. We'll talk about it right now as soon as we hang out. Alright, bye.
01:12:01
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Ow! Bye.
01:12:24
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Thank you.