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Lost In The Heat
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This week, a personal double feature that's been a long time coming, we're discussing Popstar and Heat.
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Introduction and Catching Up
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Welcome back to your favorite movie podcast where nothing has changed and we are all in the same place as always. I'm your host Malik. I'm your host Tachi. I'm your host Alex.
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And it feels like it's been a while since we've recorded. are you guys doing? if
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I'm doing okay. How are you? good I'm good. Alex, how are you? i hate you Malik. I'm sorry. You left me. I'm sorry. He's so happy. It's ah mainly because it's like six o'clock, barely. What time is it over there? Eight?
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ah Eight, ten. Well, the sun is still out.
Malik's Move to Hollywood
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But for listeners that aren't aware, I left our hometown of Austin, Texas. Boo! Boo.
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To the Hollywood Hills. So if my voice progresses into a Valley Girl accent as these episodes go on we all know what happened. Do you have a garage...
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What? The Lamborghini that's fun to drive up in the Hollywood Hills. I have three Lamborghinis. It's a new Lamborghini here. Yeah, just a new Lamborghini in the back.
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L E
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Alright, should we do movie news first
Anticipation for 'Popstar' and 'Heat' Double Feature
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or rapid review? Oh, we should today we're talking about Popstar and Heat. Yeah, highly anticipated. ah Long awaited.
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We have had this pegged as a double feature that for some reason needed to happen for like months. I don't understand what the reason was behind it. I think it was purely that you hadn't seen Popstar and Tadj and I loved it and we hadn't seen Heat and you loved it.
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That's right. Sounds about right. There was a third movie. Do you guys remember? we we This almost turned into a triple feature.
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What was it? There was like a third. These were the first two for sure. Warriors of Virtue? No. I wish. One day we'll do it. One day I need to do it. It's on my watch list. Warriors of Virtue Three Ninjas Double Feature?
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Dude. T-Money birthday episode? I'm down. You know what? I didn't get a birthday episode. My birthday is this month. Do you get one after what you've done? but yeah youre You're on probation for like four years. Maybe I'll count this one since I since i love Popstar. Spoiler for how I feel about the movie.
New 'Planet of the Apes' Movie Discussion
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where Let's do our movie news rapid review and then we'll get into the movies. Cool. Cool. All right, I'll go first. This one came out today. a new Planet of the Apes movie is in the works. Matt Schockman, who directed the Fantastic Four, is set to direct, and it will not be a continuation of Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.
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Thoughts, feelings, do we care, do we not care? ah Let me take a quick gander on what else he's done. Because Fantastic Four was just fine.
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I really hope that he does not continue like the human versus apes bit. Because I was so disappointed that's what it devolved to in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.
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That it went to that in the very last like five minutes? Yeah. It's like, oh, here we go again. like i don't care. i want the apes to win. I'm a big ape guy.
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love the apes. I do think there's a good ratio. of ape to human that can make. Yeah, it's 100 to
Critique of 'Star Wars' Sequel Trilogy
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zero. No, no. I honestly, like an 85-15, I think is a good blend.
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Because what we have, rise, war, And think War might be the third one. But like Rise is like 80% James Franco and like 20% Small Ape.
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And that's the worst of the trilogy. And it just gets better as the trilogy goes on. It's the worst of the trilogy though. It's a great movie. It's a good movie, but it is the worst of the trilogy.
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Agreed. Mashed Rockman's done some interesting stuff. Mostly TV shows. Heroes Reborn. WandaVision, which is actually pretty interesting. And then also randomly, The Nightman Cometh Live.
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We've discussed this. We've discussed that, man. Have we? and I knew about The Nightman Cometh, yeah.
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I don't know. I was excited to see a continuation of Kingdom, but I'm like most people on board with Ape Movie. I like Ape, and I will go watch it.
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What's next? Alex, can take get the next one. I can take the next one. I will take the next one. Scarlett Johansson will star in Ari Aster's next film, Scapegoat, for A24. Do you
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do you think it's going to be as perfectly predicting as Eddington? Because Eddington just ages so perfectly.
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It's insane. Every week something happens on the news. Eddington vindicated. Now is the data center with solid gold Magikarp. Yes. And just the big light in the desert and with that stupid Utah thing. You see that nonsense? Our favorite Marty Supreme star Kevin O'Leary is building this data center like bigger than Manhattan and Utah of all places.
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Yeah. Where are they going to get the water? Where are they going to get the water? I have no idea. There's no water in Utah. You ever been to Utah? No. Let me tell you about Utah. There's no water.
00:06:17
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I'll love to Utah, but there's barely enough water for like people. They've got a lake, right? Lake Tahoe? Just take it from there. That's in Nevada.
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Oh. They could transport it. yeah they They got the Great Salt Lake, but that's like salty. Oh, shit. You're right. And it's disgusting. name. you got There is ah the Green River, but that's not big enough.
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It's not a state that can sustain a data center. And what's the point? Money. why did it but Why is he building this? I don't know. Money, probably.
Excitement for Scarlett Johansson in 'Scapegoat'
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That's all that matters. What do we think Scapegoat will be about? I'm very excited that Scarlett Johansson's in this. I was looking at this and some other movies that she has coming up in the next few years.
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And I think recently when we did our Lost in Translation episode, we talked about how disappointing it was that she wasn't really doing anything interesting anymore. But it kind of seems like we're on the turn here.
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She's got this. The Batman is a... More of a pop culture choice, but still interesting. She's in it. Yeah. And the exorcist, the new exorcist movie.
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So I think more interesting choices in the next few years than maybe she's had in years past. So, I mean, it's Ari Aster. Like I'm, I'm there no matter what.
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I don't care what it is, but any guesses for what you guys think it could be about?
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I don't know. don't even start guessing. going to be a goat? No. Maybe. Maybe it's like Sheep Detectives. I want to see that. I do want to see that too. I don't know anything about it though.
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Same. And I'd like to keep it that way. Me too. Speaking of not knowing anything, new Odyssey trailer. Did any of us watch it? Try not to.
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Okay. I'm a weak a weak man. I watched it. what are you What are you thinking? I also didn't watch it. I want to avoid it. I think I'm good on trailers for this movie.
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Pretty excited. The thing I was most worried about seeing, I did not see. So I won't say that. That's, i God, the pod's going to love that. you guys love hearing and this descriptive, beautiful thought. um i There is the Cyclops in it, so I did see that. I know saw screen grabs. Yeah. um But other than that, it's it doesn't give away too much, right? It leaves a lot of meat on the bone, and you get to give a gar look at Robert Pattinson in it.
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Mm-hmm. He's freaky in it. He's a little freaky guy. Well-dressed freaky guy, but still a freaky guy nonetheless. I'm really excited. um I think there's a lot still that I'm like i'm interested to see how they proceed with.
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I still need to reread the Odyssey before sam this thing comes out. I got to finish. I'm working on ah um In the Spirit, a crazy horse right now, but I will do the Odyssey next, I think.
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You're not going to read the Iliad?
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No, probably not. I'm running out of time. You told me to read the Iliad. Yeah, well, you haven't read it ever. Yes, I have. you You told me you never did. no I don't think I have.
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Yeah, exactly. All right, whatever. That's like being like, okay, you told me to watch A New Hope before I read or before watched The Empire Strikes Back. It's like, yeah, of course I did. you haven't you There's all this context. Yeah.
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Speaking of, it was just May 4th, National Star Wars Day, and Andor, I think, was the most watched or re-watched Star Wars project that day. as it should be. As it should be. Based.
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Let's talk about our favorite Star Wars movies. How do you guys feel about The Last Jedi? Oh my God. Terrible. Wasn't even in the top 10. None of the sequels were top 10 for most watched. Because they're garbage. There's a rumor going around. Have you seen this rumor? That Disney might like decanonize the sequels?
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I don't think it's true. They've made too much of an investment to do that. That would be crazy. But it's the right move. the The sequels are a black hole for storytelling.
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Like, there's nothing to build off of. What do you do with them? Nothing. You can't take these characters anywhere because you... They're barely real functioning characters.
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You built no lore. You destroyed all the other cool bits because... i don't know. Disney. Subversion. What?
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And what are you left with? They're having to go back and do, you know, Maul Shadow Lord, which I still haven't seen, but I heard it's sick. Big Maul guys, so... So I want it. I hope it's good.
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But... Other than that, it's like, what are you doing? You weren't satisfied with Rey Skywalker?
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I think I talked about this in our May the 4th episode, but... A best friend from back home. Like, best friend since the third grade. This guy's like, closest thing I got to a brother. Because I don't have a brother.
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um
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You ate him in womb. yo Yeah, happens. um It happens. But, ah you know, we're watching that movie and him and I are just huge Star Wars fans. I mean, just absolutely massive Star Wars fans.
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And that movie ends and he looks at me and he goes, never again. Never again will I watch that. And he didn't talk to me until we got to the car.
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He walked out of theater in silence. And it was Ray Skywalker that really, I think, drove the nail into the coffin. And that was just, i was the whole time, i I'm like, just no, don't do it. Don't do it.
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This was after Rise of Skywalker. Yeah, that was. Don't do it. Don't do it. to I'm Ray Skywalker. Oh, no. Audible groans in the theater.
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Did anyone like that movie? I don't think so. If you like that movie, DM us. We'll bring you on the podcast to interview you. I want to know. I want to pick your brain. I want to see what's wrong with you.
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I think the most rewatchable thing from that trilogy is the Force Awakens trailer. Because that brought it to you in my eyes. It was such a good trailer. It actually made me cry. Yeah. I got very emotional the first time I watched it. Mm-hmm.
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I would say the most rewatchable thing, though, from that sequel... Here we go....is The Last Jedi. Okay. Because it is a good movie. It has some good moments.
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At least one. It's not without its flaws, okay? I can say that. But it's a good movie. That gets a bad rap. And if you, listener, also are a fan of The Last Jedi, then we can be friends.
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Hit me up. Here's my address.
00:13:40
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I broke Alex. He's done. he's good he's done He can't. All right. Next thing. And I guess the last thing. Trailer from Matt Johnson's Tony released. I haven't seen it yet.
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Have you guys seen it? I watched it. Yeah. For those who aren't aware, Matt Johnson's the director of Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie. also stars in it. He also stars in it. And he is his next movie is an Anthony Bourdain biopic.
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o It's like a very specific part of his life too. I think it's basically just turning Kitchen Confidential into a movie, which is also on my to-be-read list for this year.
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Yeah, I think there's a chapter in it talking about like one transformative summer he had. This movie is adapting that.
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That's a a really good idea for a biopic. I think that's a really interesting and really good idea. I agree. i'm ah I'm a big Tony Bourdain guy, so I'm really excited to see this. And it's got my boy Dominic Sessa in it. You know I love Dominic Sessa. We've been missing Dominic Sessa.
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I'm bought in. I'm fully leveraged on Dominic Sessa. I'm inbiting his time. Yeah. if If the Dominic Sessa market busts, I'm losing the house.
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Straight up. I think it's going to be good. I think it's going to be good, too. There is one part in the trailer where I was like, didn't like that. What? ah His girlfriend or something goes, are you a good guy or a bad guy?
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and I was like, I just did not like the way that that was read or written. But other than that, I'm totally sold. Yeah, he's probably going to respond like, I'm Anthony.
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For those who don't know, Domexessa is... a I guess one of the lead actors in The Holdovers, which is one of our favorite movies. but We've been missing him. we We wanted to see more of him the last few years. I think before this, he was in the Now You See Me sequel.
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Right. He was also in that third one weird throwaway Christmas movie. Yeah, that Amazon original. Yeah. Yeah, so not the greatest, but...
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But we're early adopters of Dominic Sessa here on this pod. And we will be vindicated. um Rapid review before we get into the first movie. all ready? Sure.
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I can go first. ah I haven't watched much in the last couple weeks because, again, I've been moving. um I did watch the newest Devil Wears Prada movie. That was my first theater experience here in L.A.
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i saw it with my girlfriend and my mom. Um, the Debra West product for me was never like a staple. It was always just there. Obviously it's a very beloved movie in the pop culture space.
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Whenever I saw that the second one was coming out, just kind of rolled my eyes and thinking this is just going to be another slop legacy sequel. While it has notes of that, I think if more legacy sequels did what this movie did, we would be in a better world.
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So I had a good time with it. It was cute. 3.5 out of 5. Cool. I'll go next. I watched Apex the other night.
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What is Apex? Apex is a thriller featuring or yeah, featuring Taron Egerton and Shrawi's Theron. Eric Bann is in it for like 30 seconds for some reason.
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Is this old or new? This is brand new. It's so on Netflix. um Don't watch it. It's not good. had it recommended to me.
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He makes it fun, but otherwise it's it's just not really enjoyable or interesting m um outside of Taron Egerton.
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Thank God for him. it It could have easily been an entry on my um probably permanently paused list on Letterboxd.
00:18:02
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Wait, what is that list? Movies you just never went back to? Yeah. That's hilarious. There's two entries in that. Priscilla and The Cat in the Hat. Whoa. You don't like The Cat in the Hat? The Cat in the Hat is why I made the list, actually.
00:18:17
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I could not make it past 20 minutes. That is so off-brand for you. was just one of the most grating things I've ever had to experience.
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I'm sorry. Wow. I'm not going to fight it, but I watched it because of your your recommendation and it just fell short.
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Damn. So bad that you had to make a list. Yeah. That's insane. um What did you give Apex? What did I give Apex? One and a half stars.
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Wow. Okay.
00:18:56
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I'll watch it tonight. Okay. Peak. I've watched a lot since we've last talked. Um, they've all been better than the all nighter, which is good.
00:19:09
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I'm glad. um I genuinely don't, actually don't know what to pick. Uh, so I'll do, I'll cheat and do two. I'll cheat and do two.
00:19:20
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Um, cause one of them for those who, uh, Don't know. We are really excited about the new Godzilla movie coming out.
00:19:31
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Big Lizard. And so I've decided I'm going to watch every Godzilla movie between now and then. I've done like six of them. And... um
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It's been a great time. I'm having a great time with them. The last one I watched was Ibira Horror of the Deep last night. I give that one a three out of five. The highest I've given so far is a four out of five. and that was for Ghidorah, the three-headed monster.
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um I love them. Even the ones where it's like, oh, it's not as good. They're just so... fun.
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I mean, they are an absolute blast. Um,
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They're like, I just, I love, i love them. But the other one I'm going to pick because it's a little on brand for this episode is To Live and Die in LA. Directed by a frequent flyer, shut up. Directed by a frequent flyer on this podcast, William Friedkin, who did The Exorcist and Sorcerer.
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ah Starring William Peterson, who was in Michael Mann's Manhunter. and a good friend of the pod, Willem Dafoe, and a really young John Turturro, who was the old guy in Severance.
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Very cool. Four out of five. Great movie. Underrated crime movie. Made me kind of want to be a counterfeiter. Willem Dafoe plays this counterfeiter. and It made me want to be a criminal.
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what one ah To live and die in LA. There's another movie that also made me want to be a criminal. We'll maybe talk about that one later. ah Gee, I wonder what it could be.
00:21:25
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i love crime. One of these ones also made me want to be a criminal, but not the one you're thinking of.
'Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping' Analysis
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The first one we're talking about is Popstar. Wow. How do you want to be a criminal for this one? I'll explain i'll explain it right now. you want to be You want to make criminally great music?
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I wish I came up with that. Now I'm kind of upset. Okay, Popstar, our first movie of the night. yeah We'll kick it off with our love-like loathe, and then we'll get talking about the movie.
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Ready? Yep. All right, here is the synopsis of Popstar. When his new album fails to sell records, pop-slash-rap superstar Connor for real goes into a major tailspin and watches his celebrity highlife begin to collapse.
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He'll try anything to bounce back, anything except reuniting with his old rap group, The Style Boys. And this, my friends, is a Lonely Island made, produced, starred in movie starring Andy Samberg, Jorma Tikkun, and Akiva Schaefer, the Lonely Island, amongst many others. I've got a five star.
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Tachi has the three. No, Alex has a three. And then Tachi has the one.
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Five stars today comes from Hogeth. One of, if not my favorite comedies of all time. There is not a second of the 87-minute runtime wasted. It's joke after joke, and out of every movie they've made, this is the one I recommend to people the most.
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Samberg is at the top of his game.
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I had today's three star. This is review is by Haunted Hippie. I'm bedridden with a cold, and this movie is for sure going to seep into my fever dreams. Three stars and a heart.
00:23:13
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You know what? I understand it. This is like a fever dream. It's one of those movies where it's like kind of a hallucination. All the cameos are kind of crazy.
00:23:25
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Oh, it's... We'll get into that. Yes. All right. Today's one star is actually a half star, and this comes in from Indy. Pop star never stopped pooping.
00:23:37
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bad It should have been Poopstar, but it's fine. um Let's talk about our relationship to this movie, Tachi. Okay. did So, Alex, this was your first time watching it.
00:23:47
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Tachi and I have a history with it. um The first time you watched Tachi, was that the first time we all watched it together, you, me, and my brother? Almost. I actually saw it when it was in theaters when it came out in 2016. I think summer of 2016. Yeah.
00:24:02
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yeah One of dozens. Yeah. um But then the second time was with you and Nathan. And it was glorious. You were in the theater to watch this. I was. think it was only us.
00:24:16
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Okay, i was going to ask. Do you remember like what the theater experience was? like Were there people? I know I went with a group of three guys. i honestly don't even remember who I went with. I just know there were a few of us. um And I think it was an empty theater.
00:24:31
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but But we had a blast. Yeah. It was perfect. So yeah, this movie came out June 3rd, 2016. And the reason why Alex makes the joke that Tachi was one of dozens was because this movie bombed at the box office. like Hard. i don't I don't remember. I can't recall hearing about this movie.
00:24:51
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I don't remember seeing a trailer. I did not watch it in the theater. But this movie's budget was $20 million. dollars And it made just over $9 million. Yeah. um' I'm going to be real. like I was a decent Lonely Island fan when I was in like middle school, high school. Same.
00:25:07
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I had no idea it existed until I met you guys. None. Something went wrong with the marketing here. Something went really wrong. like yeah Chernobyl level is bad.
00:25:19
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I was all over dick in the box. Pause. But... but I also... Who were you? I was. i was not aware of this movie.
00:25:29
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Or else I think I would have been in theaters to watch this. I was 21. I like the perfect age to see something like this. And this was following Hot Rod, which is actually kind of big. Yes.
00:25:41
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So it's just... It's confusing what happened. I don't know what the... Where this movie sits now, like, from a pop culture standpoint. I know at least amongst us and our friends...
00:25:54
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It's a hot topic. Maybe it's just destined to be a cult classic. Maybe. Just our well-kept secret. um Alex, I'll ask you first.
00:26:06
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Because we watched this together at your house. We did this double feature. And we haven't really talked about either of these movies at length. At all. No.
00:26:17
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yeah We actually, the day after we did this double feature, we had Malik's going away party where we talked about our feelings and friendship and good memories.
00:26:30
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What's up with that?
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So what did you think of this movie, Alex? Oh, um, ah gee, I don't see. The thing is, I don't even know where to start with it. Right. So we got, first of all, like Tachi said, there's like um a trillion cameos in this movie and they start right off the bat. The one thing I knew about it was that it was a mockumentary. And so it was like, I kind of know how this movie is going to go. Right. Yes.
00:26:58
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It's not like a plot that really keeps you on your toes or But it's just like, as soon as I saw who was in this movie, i'm like, okay, there is an absurd level of participation from everybody. And and how did they do that, right? I mean, how did they get everyone to buy into it?
00:27:22
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Yeah. I just, I don't know. And they...
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pay
00:27:32
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And it was crazy. I mean, the whole thing was nuts. they it's It's true Lonely Island. I mean, the humor is absurd. It's ridiculous. And it's really funny.
00:27:45
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It's really funny movie. You just have to let go and accept it. You can't take it seriously, right? Like, some comedies you can kind take seriously. None. This one, you just really have to let go. It's about to be the dumbest movie I've seen. This is going to really stupid. It's a very dumb movie.
00:28:04
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oh There's not a single second of this that takes itself serious in any shape or form. Kind of like the Naked Gun. It's just like an onslaught of jokes.
00:28:15
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Yeah. It just never ends. Except Maya Rudolph drops the hard R in this. Dude, oh my god. crazy. That scene... Okay, so the first time that I watched this movie, Tachi and I were living with each other, and my brother was also living with us at this time.
00:28:34
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Um... Tachi, I think right away you just wanted you wanted to show us this movie because I think we all we all just knew like we're going to have a good time watching this. We had just moved into this apartment. We were maybe there for like two months.
00:28:45
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um We partook in a little something-something that made this experience elevated.
00:28:53
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And it was one of the greatest nights of my life. like We were laughing so hard. that we got a noise complaint from our next door neighbor. And we found out the next morning when she left a note and it said, some people have kids.
00:29:08
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And we were like, are bad. Like, we didn't know we were being that loud. Didn't even know that the walls were that thin or else I think we would have turned it down. But we kept that post-it note ah framed in our apartment for the rest of our tenure there.
00:29:19
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But that Maya Rudolph fridge scene, the first time I saw that, and every time after that I see it, makes me laugh so hard. I'm like, did you? You and in tears.
00:29:34
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Who wrote it? That's what I wanted. Who was brave enough to write it? It's three white boys writing this movie. I won't even say it.
00:29:46
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Listener, just go watch this movie. If you're going watch this movie, at least type in Popstar Maya Rudolph fridge scene in YouTube and do yourself a favor watch have to hear this slur.
00:29:59
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You've got to hear this slur. Listener, you've got to hear this slur. It's insane. um Every time I watch it, I am always amazed by the amount of cameos in this.
00:30:10
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I lost count. I was trying to keep up, and it's just every like everybody's in this. It's where 19 of the 20 million dollars went. yeah And there's like some deeper cuts in there. Like Arcade Fire.
00:30:27
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Yes. like Like, okay. Like where'd they pull them from? well i could Seal. Seal I think is big enough. You know, he's got the whole face thing. But it's a good pull.
00:30:41
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It's a great pull. You wouldn't think Seal in a movie like this. You wouldn't think half of these people. You wouldn't think a lot of things. like yeah want to talk to songs. So there are what's listed here. 28 or at least 26 songs in this.
00:31:01
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Off the top of your head, Tachi, do you have a favorite? Yes. And I think it's ah one of the tracks that wasn't even part of the movie. Let me look it up.
00:31:12
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It's really like genuinely amazing.
00:31:16
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uh let's see it's called should i move it's a bonus track and it's so beautiful please listen to it after this episode it's it's great it's featuring akon featuring akon yeah uh my favorite song is finest girl otherwise known as the bin laden song out
00:31:39
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classic that's an amazing one alex did you have a favorite song like the Jeep one. I knew you were to say that. Things in my Jeep. Yeah, that's a great one.
00:31:49
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Things in my Jeep was a lot of fun. I think it's, ah I don't remember who it was. It might have been A$AP Rocky, but after that song plays, he's like, yeah, I just i just couldn't connect with that song because like I got different things in my Jeep.
00:32:03
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This is crazy. I'm on the Wikipedia and it says, Things in my Jeep featuring Linkin Park.
00:32:10
Speaker
What does that mean? You can hear Chester's vocals. No way. he's He's like screaming in the song. He does his signature scream. No. Can I look this up?
00:32:21
Speaker
Can I look this up right now? Yeah, do it. Okay, one second. I need... Let's get copyrighted right now. wonder if it'll come through on the... I doubt it will, but I'll just cut this if if not.
00:32:35
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I don't really relate to that song. There's no Chester. Yeah, there is. If you pull up the soundtrack on...
00:32:52
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there's no there's no chester the is if you pull up the soundtrack on Maybe like the whole song. Yeah, the whole The full link. Bro, that's insane. I can hear it clear as day in my mind.
00:33:08
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I did not know that. Yeah. Great soundtrack. That's actually crazy. ah um Alex, what doesn't work for you in this?
00:33:20
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Well, I think what works is also kind of doesn't work. It's so stupid. like It's really dumb. What are some of the standout scenes to you? um I think that just like there's not even like a standout scene. That's the thing.
00:33:39
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There's not like, oh, that was really good. It's just the whole thing. It's just very clever. The way like the interviews play off each other or it's like like the ASAP Rocky. It's like I just couldn't connect with this because I I had different stuff in my Jeep. It's just all of that. I mean, the end, like the this is the the the little bit at the end was pretty good. There's a little bit of you that's a little worried that Andy Samberg's character is going to kind of do something naughty, but he comes through.
00:34:09
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Spoiler for a really old movie. um Dang, 10 years old. Yeah, that's next month. It's the 10 year anniversary one month. ten year anniversary in one month wonder they're going to put it in theaters again.
00:34:22
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I will go watch it. We will make the money back. It's what the people deserve. Maybe two dozen people will... Two dozen people will... All we need to do is double what it made last time for it to make its money back.
00:34:42
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um Yeah, I totally agree with you. It's just this movie non-stop from start to finish. And as long as you're bought in from the beginning, then I think you'll have a good time. If not, I think within five minutes, you'll know if you're down yeah this or not. Because if you're not in, i feel like it could be the most excruciating hour and a half of your life.
00:35:04
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Or it could be the absolute best time.
00:35:10
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And you've got at least two of us on this podcast saying that we had a super great time. had a really good time with it. I had a really good time with it. Three for three on this podcast. i all I'm not not hating.
00:35:21
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Certainly not doing that. What would you rate it? think I gave it like ah like a really fun seven out of ten. It's three and a half out of five.
00:35:34
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Just a wacky three and a half out of five. just Wacky. A great time. Highly recommended three out of five. um What else do we want to shout out from this movie? There's not a lot to talk about if we're being completely honest. Yeah, it's kind of hard to talk about.
00:35:48
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Yeah, it's a ah pop star with celebrity cameos and endless songs with a very basic story in a row in. with a million great jokes.
00:36:02
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That's all this is at the end of the day. There's no deeper thoughts. I love the waffle bit with the, the, the, the trust verification scene. Oh, right. Why am I doing the kitchen?
00:36:14
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Yes. The, the, the actor, I forget his name in the, the, I guess in real life and in the, the, the movie, but it's the, the British guy.
00:36:27
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He was in a show called The Inbetweeners. Like this character, Jay, in The Inbetweeners. The one with the beard? ah He looks like Jared Leto. he line of He's got like a round head. Yeah. I'm looking this up now. He looks like a mixture of Jared Leto and ah who's the ah the composer? Ludwig Gorenson? Yeah.
00:36:50
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James Buckley plays sponge. Of course, that's his name. Sponge. ah Yeah, James Buckley. it' just It was nice to see him in something other than the in-betweeners.
00:37:02
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I love the in-betweeners, and I think those guys were criminally underused after that show. It's like, you got like a weekend to kill, the the show is like three seasons, six episodes a season, 20 minutes an episode.
00:37:18
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So British. So funny. Just it. And actually, this is a recommendation for all the fellas. I don't think girls would like it that much. It's very guy humor. It's very dude coded.
00:37:29
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It's very dude coded. It's about pop three awkward high school or four awkward high school dudes. Is pop star dude coded? i was about to ask. It's a little dude-coded, I think. it's kind It kind of is, yeah.
00:37:41
Speaker
I think the Lonely Island in general is dude-coded. I mean, i did mention Dick in the Box. I mean, we just did that last week, right? Remember? Oh, yeah, yeah. You were moving last week because you hate us.
00:37:57
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Los Angeles, more like leave Alex and Tachi. Got him. Tachi, what did you rate Popstar? five stars come on i also give this a five star it's just it's so good and i'm i've only seen it the three times and i'm really glad it's been that way because it makes a reviewing so special i've seen it a few more times but i think once a year i just get an itch and i need to watch the maya rudolph ridge scene i don't blame you damn with the hard
00:38:34
Speaker
i There's a lot of those jokes in there where it's like kind of under under their breath. Yeah. Like a castaway line. um Yeah, so good. I love that. um i don't even like my I think my problem is with like rating like a comedy, and I'm guilty of this with every comedy, even the ones I love, is i just think the way my brain's wired, like I can't give it like a five-star.
00:38:58
Speaker
I know. Just like yeah the set criteria that I have in my head because I have issues. um Even like my favorite comedy of all time, which is Animal House. It's it's not rated as a five star for me.
00:39:12
Speaker
I don't know why. I think it's hilarious. I've cried. I referenced that movie couple times a week. Yeah. It should be a five. It sounds like. Yeah. Yeah. I've opened my heart.
00:39:24
Speaker
Maybe. i think I need to open my heart a little more. I do need to do that. We all can do that. But I don't just want to go out giving five stars like candy. That's exactly what I said. I got a serious job to do here. This is a serious job, like serious podcast with serious people. All right? This isn't a game to me.
00:39:44
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I don't do this for the love of it. I do this because tens of hundreds of people... listen to my opinion for some reason.
00:39:56
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More than those that went to go see Popstar. I'm just saying. You're on to so you're onto something. We could probably make 15 million at the box office.
00:40:08
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um Let's get into our next movie. Oh, let's do it. Okay. ah i'm I'm scared of this one. So, Alex, I'm going to let you do the synopsis and intro of this one.
00:40:20
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All right.
00:40:23
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Our next movie is nineteen ninety five s Heat. locking in. Directed by Michael Mann.
'Heat' Movie Introduction and Impressions
00:40:30
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A Los Angeles crime saga. Obsessive master thief Neil McCauley leads a top-notch crew on various daring heists throughout Los Angeles while determined detective Vincent Hanna pursues him without rest.
00:40:46
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Each man recognizes and respects the ability and the dedication of the other, even though they are aware their cat and mouse game may end in violence.
00:40:57
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Starring Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Val Kilmer, John Voight, Tom Sizemore, Diane Venora, Ashley Judd, Wes Stewie, Ted Levine, Natalie Portman, the guy from the nationwide commercials, Danny Trejo, and just about everybody else.
00:41:19
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um What is the guy's name from the from the commercials? I'm trying to find that. I didn't recognize it right off the top my head. Dennis Haysbert.
00:41:31
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Did not know that. He's in this movie. oh Man. Where do we start? I think a great place to start would be our Love Like Loathe.
00:41:44
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I think so too. Well done. we need to I think you guys just want to put off talking about this movie as much as possible. Even though we've had three weeks to digest and think about this movie, I'm still worried.
00:41:59
Speaker
But I'm ready. i think you're scared. All right, let's do it.
00:42:08
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I have the five star. This one comes from Naz94. The moral of this movie is that you should never sleep with a guy who claims to be a metal salesman interested in stress fractures and titanium who longs to escape the city lights of Los Angeles for the iridescent algae of Fiji who insists that they are not lonely just because they are alone.
00:42:32
Speaker
This may be a perfect movie. It might make my top four one day if it keeps viewing this well on future rewatches. What a joy to have been able to see this on the big screen. I am jealous that you got to see this on the big screen, NAS 94.
00:42:46
Speaker
And if you're curious, NAS 94's top four are The Godfather, Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring, The Big Lebowski, and In the Mood for Love. This is definitely ending up in their top four at some point.
00:43:00
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That's a fantastic top four. In the mood for love is... That is a ball-knowing pick.
00:43:08
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That is a ball-knowing pick. Wow, their last two movies were Heat and The Empire Strikes Back. This guy knows ball.
00:43:19
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All right, this three-star comes in from Caitlin. Nah, Al Pacino kind of gilfing this. I don't give a fuck. I get that one. um Our half star comes from Ann Pan Pot.
00:43:33
Speaker
Thoughts while watching the first part. Four minutes in and there's already a random ass sex scene. Why? Of course the blonde guy is abusive. Blonde men are always evil. Half an hour in and I hate every man I've seen.
00:43:45
Speaker
This coffee date is such a dick measuring contest. Holy shit. Okay, so after the full three hours, I've decided that this movie sucks ass. Women are only uses plot devices and not like actual people characters. Like, sorry, why the fuck was there suicide plot all of a sudden just to make the MC a more likable character and show that he does have emotions? Yeah. Also, it is insane that the whole ass title of this movie movie refers to the lesson he got from his father or something like, oh, if you feel the heat, be ready to leave in 30 seconds. And he doesn't fucking do that at any point.
00:44:13
Speaker
So many times that it's like, okay, man, now how's this heat on like you talked about and he just stays.
00:44:21
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It's almost like that's the point of the movie.
00:44:26
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You know what? Pull up their profile. All right, here we We're doing this. We're doing this. ah Favorite films. Top four. are You ready for this? Yep. No. 10-inch hero.
00:44:39
Speaker
Two Wong Fu, Thanks for Everything. Julie Newmar. The Rocky Horror Picture Show. And then, But I'm a Cheerleader.
00:44:53
Speaker
I've heard of one of those. I've also heard one of I'll give two out of four are respectable. I have never heard any other two, so I can't judge it. The two out of four that are respectable are the Rocky Horror Picture Show and But I'm a Cheerleader?
00:45:09
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Yeah. Okay. yeah That's what I've heard of. And I i wasn't a huge Rocky Horror fan. i get it, though. I get it, especially if you lean into it and do like the whole shtick. Like I can see how that would be a lot of fun. I didn't do that. I just watched it straight up.
00:45:23
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Um, but I enjoyed it. I'd watch it again. it's not my favorite campy seventies musical. That might be another episode. Ooh. Um, um I will say the one thing to this review, I won't roast any of the details in the review, but I don't like seeing reviews that clearly are writing while watching the movie.
00:45:47
Speaker
you know what i mean? Like there's like like each line is like 30 minutes had passed. like something Like something's happening. At that point, I just feel like you're not fully engaged. And then maybe you already don't like the movie. So that's why. But I don't know. That's just like a like a personal nitpick. um Well, my I'm going to I will nitpick in a review if it's like they're like, oh, like, you know, this this is stupid. Like why? And it's just the point of the movie.
00:46:11
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Yeah. Like, are you, you didn't pay attention. I'm sorry. You, you just did. You flat out did not pay attention to the movie. And if you did, you missed it. Sorry.
00:46:21
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Thanks for playing. Try again. Um, the reason I'm scared to talk about this movie is because for the entirety of our friendship, Alex, you've talked to me about this movie.
00:46:36
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yep about needing to watch it and there was a while where we were all holding off on watching it because I think late last year it was like the 20 year you it was yeah it was this yeah late last year um yeah it was like the 25th yeah anniversary of the movie coming out and so we were holding it yeah we were holding off Because we thought it might like Alamo might do something for it Because it has shown up in theaters like randomly.
00:47:06
Speaker
So i'm like, oh, they'll totally throw it in for the 25th anniversary. And they just didn't. yeah I was mad. Because I really wanted to see it in theaters. The next time it pops up on any sort of screening, I'm going.
00:47:16
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Yes. I'm going. Me too.
00:47:21
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Me too.
00:47:24
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already said me too. Uh, I did have this movie on today kind of in the background, but I was paying a lot. I was paying a lot of attention to it. Like while I was working just to kind of get a refresher.
00:47:39
Speaker
Um, and I found myself just getting distracted and and locking in for for many spurts at a time. I didn't get to finish it because holy moly, this movie is really long.
00:47:51
Speaker
This is a nearly three-hour movie, and it was made in the 90s. And so whenever you see the runtime for any movie pre-2005, if the runtime says 250 minutes, that's like 248 minutes a movie and two minutes of credits versus 20 minutes of credits now.
00:48:10
Speaker
So this was nearly a three-hour movie. um The 90s love their long movie. I mean, like Casino, I think, was really long. Mm-hmm. you know You had Heat. Saving Private Ryan was super long.
00:48:23
Speaker
Titanic. you look like Titanic, yeah. yeah I love long movies. I love a good long movie.
Michael Mann's Unique Style and Direction
00:48:29
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As long as it's good. as long As long as it's good. yeah I'm trying to think of the worst movie I've seen that's long.
00:48:37
Speaker
I got one. I can't think anything. Oh, hit us with it. John Wick 3.
00:48:43
Speaker
Get out of here. I'm going to say it. I watched the first one on the plane. That's fine. get it i don't get it. I think they're fine. i I don't get it at all. like that's just It's a movie.
00:48:59
Speaker
Tachi, what is your pre-relationship with Heat before watching it? ah Non-existent. god I didn't even hear about it. um I never knew about it until Alex brought it up.
00:49:11
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Until this pod? m I'm very new to Michael Mann. I recently watched my first Michael Mann movie and that was Collateral. i think I did a rapid review on that a few episodes ago.
00:49:24
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yels And so watching Heat, I am starting to kind of understand his direction and style as a filmmaker. And I'm excited to talk about it because I have, I kind of have questions. um But Alex, what is your relationship to Heat? When was the first time you watched it?
00:49:49
Speaker
Uh, not even that long ago, like a couple years ago. Okay. Like post me downloading letterboxd and I watched it and, um, I, I had heard about It had been on like my wall, my IMDB watch list for forever. Cause I had a lot of actors I liked. So i was like, yeah, I'll get around to watching this one day.
00:50:08
Speaker
So I saw it was on something. I asked my dad, I'm like, you think I would like heat? And he's like, he's like, yeah, you should watch it. And like, okay. So I watched it and I called him after. And I was like, he's like, was that just the best? And I was like, yeah.
00:50:24
Speaker
Yeah, it was. It was, yeah, it's just one of those movies that I think the first 10 minutes, you're in.
00:50:38
Speaker
Like if you're if you're not in, you're you're you're not in. But if you're in, you're in. ah It opens, it does open like that one thing suggested. There is like a sex scene like the first two minutes.
00:50:50
Speaker
It's not particularly egregious or anything. um But then it goes into like a heist. And having grown up playing GTA and all those games and you know, I was just, okay.
00:51:07
Speaker
The way that heist goes down, it's like if you're not just locked in by that, I don't i don't know what to tell you. And that heist is so good. I love a good heist. and That would be the climax of like any other movie. And this is like the first of like four crazy scenes. And and this is how it opens. Yeah.
00:51:26
Speaker
Like the music is already going nuts. The way this is shot is like insane. They look so cool with the hockey masks. Dude, it's its it's so cool. It's like immediately iconic. like I will forever cherish watching the getting to watch this with you guys because I was like, oh.
00:51:45
Speaker
like Ten minutes in, I was like, oh. Here we are. i get it. Immediately.
00:51:54
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Saluting from the from the couch. so Yeah, it was electric. um I love like really every performance in this movie. Everyone just kind of knocked it the park.
00:52:06
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ah For performances, so I want to talk about Al Pacino. And this is, these are the questions I have when it comes to the Michael Mann of it all. I noticed in the two films of his that I've seen that he's like, he's got a very distinct writing style.
00:52:25
Speaker
He does. And after watching heat for a second time, I'm not even going to log because I'm not really going count it. um And I don't want to like be put in podcast jail for saying this, but
00:52:38
Speaker
he kind he Michael Mann is kind of giving me like, oh my God, what's his name? why am I forgetting? What are you about to say? He kind of gives me like action m Night Shyamalan.
00:52:52
Speaker
oh how And I mean that like in his writing style and how like he... Maybe I'm glad you moved to LA. Listen to me. I say that as a pure compliment.
00:53:06
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like And I specifically mean that with Al Pacino because a lot of his dialogue is so out there that I'm like, where did this come from?
00:53:19
Speaker
Al Pacino as the thinker. was like...
00:53:24
Speaker
And it happened in Collateral too. Like Tom Cruise has a couple lines where I was like, oh shit, like, but hello. What are we doing here? Like people talk like this? Yeah. it It's the way that he makes people talk. And I say the m Night Shyamalan thing, like not it's not ah it's not a knock on him.
00:53:42
Speaker
It's a positive. And like I had that thought today and I was like, I got watch more Michael Mann movies. This guy's cooking with gas. I think need to Night Shyamalan movies. I like M. Night Shyamalan.
00:53:53
Speaker
I think you're the biggest trap stand I know. Obviously, you guys don't agree, but I'm saying it's positive. I'm saying it is a positive thing. I don't remember the dialogue well enough to contest that, but that is... oh Is there anything specifically that sticks out? I mean, yeah, like I don't...
00:54:10
Speaker
I guess I know what you're talking about, but i don't think I do. It's mainly Al Pacino. So there's a scene of him and his wife talking like after that party. um And he's kind of, he's not really there. and She's trying to talk to him.
00:54:22
Speaker
And then she's like, are you listening to me or something like that? he goes, Hey baby, I told you when you hooked up with me, this is the life that I chose. I chose the bad guys. Like literally says it like that. And I'm like, what are you doing? That's not how people talk.
00:54:37
Speaker
Yeah, it is And then also the, she's got a great ass. It's a great line. Dude, I know people who talk like that in real life.
00:54:49
Speaker
I'm looking at one right now. T-Money, ladies and gentlemen. All this to say, it's not a negative. It's a positive.
00:55:00
Speaker
It's very much a positive. I just think it's super interesting. Some of it also probably is just Al Pacino. that's i watched ah I watched The Devil's Advocate with him recently, and there are some moments where some some Vincent Hanna bleeds through.
00:55:16
Speaker
It's like, oh, he's cooking again. He's tapping into it. There's just something about Pacino, man, that he just... He's got like this side to him where he if he goes into it, it's just...
00:55:28
Speaker
all Pacino. It's not the character. It's Pacino. And I mean that again in a great way. i love Al Pacino. now I have turned into a huge Al Pacino fan over the years. That was him reading the best picture for Oppenheimer.
00:55:44
Speaker
My eyes see Oppenheimer. They're clapping and you hear him in the back. He's what happened?
00:55:53
Speaker
What do my eyes see? My eyes see all the way. Everyone was like, what? yeah What happened? but Maybe he's just a weird guy. I think so. He might just be really weird.
00:56:07
Speaker
I think he's just Italian. He made it really fun to watch, though. Like, anytime he's he's on screen, I'm i'm locked in. Yeah. Everybody in this movie is, like, just giving it their all.
00:56:21
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I'm... This is the ultimate dude locked in movie. I guess we're doing two dude movies today. This is sorry this is end game for like dad actor heroes.
00:56:36
Speaker
And you know what? I'm here for it.
00:56:42
Speaker
It's just all guys who are in movies that like dad puts on. Like, hey, son, it's it's time to watch this. It's like, but I'm in the sixth grade. It's like, no, you're watching Black Hawk Down. You're watching Black Hawk Down.
00:56:56
Speaker
I know that's exactly what happened to you. ah It is. That's actually exactly what Black Hawk Down is exactly what happened to me. That's like, let's watch Black Hawk Down. I think you'll like it. I loved it. I loved it. It's so good.
00:57:10
Speaker
um He's like, yeah, i was almost in this. I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, they sent the third Rangers instead of the first. Could have been me. i did see I did see a tweet recently where it was like i think there's like, I think dads love having sons and they just get to a point where it's like they need someone to talk about this movie with. Yeah.
00:57:32
Speaker
And so they just show them like a movie they should not be seeing just so they can talk about it with their son. That's me just watching movies with my dogs, though. Check this out.
00:57:44
Speaker
That's me watching movies with your cats. Tachi, something positive. I'm watching Malik's cats for studio context.
00:57:55
Speaker
that's Yeah, it's not like an innuendo or anything. It could be. Maybe it should be. What were you going to say, Malik? What works for you here?
00:58:08
Speaker
I think... i don't I don't know. I mean, I guess almost everything. Wow. when i ah I mean, when I was watching with you guys, i was just like, I don't know what I don't like about this.
00:58:25
Speaker
Immediately, right? Right. like this really It's just like really well done. It really felt like a like a puzzle piece, just perfectly locked in.
00:58:37
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Yeah. Like, yeah it's one one of those things in hindsight. It's like no nothing seems wasted. Right. It's three hours, and every minute is just... It's there.
00:58:50
Speaker
It's there for a purpose. Yes. And I have no complaints about the pacing. Despite the runtime, pacing is great. Because even the slower moments are so intentional and, like, so well-written.
00:59:04
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One of my favorite scenes is... um is Neil meeting his girlfriend for the first time, um like at that restaurant. And just that conversation between them two, like paired with the camera work is, it's like insane.
00:59:19
Speaker
Like I was, I literally wanted to do like the standup salute, like not just for the heist, but like for that scene. And the way he's just trying to like introduce himself to her. And then once her walls are kind of broken down, the camera just glides smoothly, like 180 degrees across them.
00:59:37
Speaker
And it's just that immediate chemistry. i was like,
00:59:42
Speaker
this movie's heat. This is heat. I feel the heat and I'm not running away. What didn't work for you, Tachi? I guess leading up to the episode, I really wanted to rewatch it. Or I guess I intended to rewatch and I just, I never got to.
00:59:58
Speaker
That would have been pretty helpful for this, but unfortunately, i can't recall anything that doesn't work for me, so it's it's like stumbling into ah perfect movie. i don't I don't know what's happening today. and That's not a bad thing. um What about you, Malik?
01:00:17
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I think this movie will get better on rewatches. um I found myself while locked in a little bit I just feel like it can get a little like fuzzy. i guess some of the details of specific heists and specific characters, I don't know if that's a negative because at the end of the day, I'm not sure if that's the point at all for these movies. If I need to know like the details of the heist and why they're doing what they're doing and certain character motivations, like...
01:00:49
Speaker
It's all laid out pretty bare, um like an hour into the movie with the cafe scene between Vincent and Neil. So I'm not sure if the fuzzy details throughout the movie are necessarily important. I felt like that was missing for me, but like I said, I feel like on a rewatch, maybe I'll learn that. That's not really the point.
01:01:12
Speaker
I have a very strong gut feeling that that that is kind of where I'll land. is Is one example like when they're doing the stakeout and it fails because someone makes a sound?
01:01:28
Speaker
And... the And I guess the purpose of like whatever they're doing in that building is vague. Is that, is that like, that's, yeah, that's a good example. Yeah. And he's, he's like telling Val Kim to like bail.
01:01:40
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Like at first I'm like, I'm like, what are we doing here? Like, how are we, like, how did we get to this point? Like, it kind of feels like we're just kind of at some points, it feels like we're kind of just jumping from point A to point B without, not that you need explanation, but without like what I felt was a needed explanation.
01:01:56
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Um, and don't know. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. it it It does because it was one of the complaints I had when I first watched it. Okay. and It was like the only complaint. where was like, yeah, it kind of gets muddled a bit, but it's still like peak.
01:02:10
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um On a rewatch, it made like 100% total sense. Like i I was like, oh yeah, this is exactly what was happening. I get it now.
01:02:22
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What did you find on a rewatch that kind of, like, what exactly, like, melded that together for you? Just, like, knowing what they were talking about. Because they're talking about everything, like, were we know what they're talking about. Yeah.
01:02:35
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Like, they don't spell it out. Like, they're talking, like, oh, we already know this. Like, specifically in the beginning, they mentioned, like, we got two things, right? Or, like, we there was, like, we have something lined up, and then the ah the guy we buy scores from, he has something else lined up.
01:02:50
Speaker
So the one that they had lined up was the thing they walk away from. The one they bought is the the bank stuff that that kicks off the whole end of the movie.
01:03:01
Speaker
See, that makes sense. So I only got to watch the first hour in 40 minutes, like right up to the big shootout. um And as I'm rewatching it,
01:03:13
Speaker
things make more sense because I've seen it already. And I don't need the explanation. I'm like, I know what's coming next. So this makes sense. I thought we'd talk about the shootout.
01:03:25
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Go ahead, Tachi, before the shootout. I was going to say one more instance of, I guess things not being explained, is like Jon Voight's character entirely. I don't even know if they say his name, but he's just there. He knows things. He knows people. He knows plans.
01:03:40
Speaker
He knows where to send people and what to do in like every situation. But there is no explanation given as to how or where he comes from. I don't know who he is. i only gave him a pass because he seemed like a very similar character to his character in Mission Impossible.
01:03:58
Speaker
yeah um So I was kind of pretending that that was the same deal. I'm like, all right, Jon Voight's here. Honestly, they could be the same you doers. like I know what he's doing here, so we're good. We're good.
01:04:09
Speaker
He, in in the book, he's described as a fence. Okay. Yeah. What does that mean? and In Heat 2. Like, you know, like a You do like a robbery.
01:04:21
Speaker
Let's say I steal diamonds. It's like, okay, well, it's like who takes the diamonds and sells them. Like the middleman? Yeah. okay Okay. It's like who is intermediating everything.
01:04:33
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It's like he's a guy that knows stuff. Yeah. He's an intermediary in the underbelly. and And that's the vibe that he gave and the movie gives, which is great. Because I know that's that's a big critique of modern filmmaking is that they treat the audience like they're all stupid.
01:04:50
Speaker
But this movie does not do that. And I find that really refreshing. It is very refreshing.
01:04:58
Speaker
The shootout scene. Yes.
01:05:02
Speaker
I need to watch this movie in a theater. i did. I have a pretty good sound system and a pretty good TV. Yeah. Imagine seeing this thing in Dolby.
01:05:15
Speaker
It's very important for us to see this in Dolby. It's very important. If I ever win the lottery, there will signs. I want warfare treatment for this movie. Yes.
01:05:29
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ah The first time I watched the shootout, and if you're wondering, it's like, well, this is a crime movie. You're talking about all these different heists. it was gonna There is a shootout in this movie.
Iconic Bank Heist Scene in 'Heat'
01:05:39
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There are gunfights in this movie. There's a shootout in this movie. Yeah.
01:05:43
Speaker
You'll know it when you see it. You'll know it it. It unbelievable. I don't think a movie has ever done as good of a job, except for Warfare.
01:05:59
Speaker
at capturing like the true sound of gunfire and translating it to screen. And the feeling of utter chaos.
01:06:10
Speaker
Yeah. I grew up around guns. I, I shoot guns a lot. I'm very familiar with them. They are loud and, and certain rounds and certain rifles are,
01:06:24
Speaker
are way louder than, you know, like a smaller caliber weapon. Um, to the point, even if you're wearing ear protection, you're still like, Ooh, that was loud. Right. Um, in heat, the guns are loud.
01:06:41
Speaker
They're loud. And it's like, they are taking up everything. They are the soundtrack. And, and in this shootout, I mean, it feels like you're there.
01:06:53
Speaker
Yeah. Like, how did they shoot that? I don't know. like Where where did they shoot that? Was it l LA? Downtown LA. Downtown LA. the I don't understand. I don't understand how they how they shot it. Because I'm like, how are you shooting through a window? How are we seeing this from a technical standpoint?
01:07:16
Speaker
It's crazy. How did they organize all the extras, clearing the streets? Like, they They didn't. They just started shooting each other with blanks. Everybody went crazy. It's a massive set. like It is literally downtown LA. Yeah.
01:07:31
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I mean set as far as like yeah just what's filmed. like It's massive at scale for a movie like this. And it's so visceral and yeah, like we're saying, loud that like you want to watch it in a loud theater to just get that full experience. But even then, like it's It's a long scene too.
01:07:53
Speaker
i think the entire thing from heist to finish is about 15 17 minutes. yeah um comes just shy at the two hour mark where it's like, like we're saying the beginning heist of the movies, the first 10 minutes, a lot of movies would end a movie with that scene.
01:08:12
Speaker
A lot of movies would end their movie with this scene, especially with the score building up and like the heist seemingly going well, Vincent and his team finding out about the heist and rushing to the scene to the shootout is so intense and And oh my God.
01:08:29
Speaker
And then you got an hour left and you're still like, let's go. I'm so happy it's not over. Yeah. The the crazy bit about this ah the shootout is for this movie, the actors were trained by a former British SAS officer.
01:08:48
Speaker
And apparently the the the story goes that Val Kilmer, he there's this one scene where he does this like reload. He reloads a mag. And he it's one take, and he does it, you know...
01:09:01
Speaker
he's out He's out, drops behind a car, drops the mag, puts in a new one, racks the gun, goes back shooting. And he does it so quickly and so well that they would show it in like Marine boot camp and be like, if you cannot do this, get out of the army. Like get out of the military. Wow. Yeah.
01:09:20
Speaker
That's sick. that's insane So, I mean, they they spared no expense in training these guys for this movie. And it feels like a very real shootout.
01:09:33
Speaker
I mean, there's a little bit of plot armor in it, but um
01:09:39
Speaker
it's just, you gotta see this to believe it. If you haven't, if you have no desire to watch this movie, at least watch the shootout. At least change your mind and watch it anyways.
01:09:51
Speaker
That too. that I like that. How can you not like this movie? Well, so there there is something I wanted to bring up. ah One of the common complaints about this movie is about like the way its main characters are written and then as we saw in your one-star review, the way the women in this movie are written.
01:10:13
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And that's a big complaint for it. Now, I i tend to agree that Female characters in Michael Mann movies tend to be like a little flat.
01:10:26
Speaker
He is certainly a guy's director. Now, I think Penelope Cruz in Ferrari was fantastic. That was a pause. Like, you know, got to give credit where credit's due. She was great.
01:10:39
Speaker
That character, i think, kind of stole the movie.
01:10:43
Speaker
Michael Mann is ah is a guy's director. He's a man's man.
01:10:49
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Nice. um
01:10:54
Speaker
And he is definitely like a movie so like geared towards guys. It is. There's no, like, I'm not going to sit here and pretend it's not. um
01:11:08
Speaker
I will say, and I thought it was funny, so I read Heat 2, like the novelization version, written by Michael Mann, co-written with a woman, Meg Gardner.
01:11:21
Speaker
Female characters in that book, written exactly the same way. they get There's a little bit more screen time for some of them, but they are by and large, it's like just exactly the same.
01:11:36
Speaker
So is that, I mean, i want to get your thoughts. Is that just like a symptom of this kind of story? Or, i mean, what? What what would you really think about it?
01:11:46
Speaker
It doesn't have to be It can just be his weakness, and and that's okay. Everyone has their weakness. Yeah. Yeah. i agree with yeah I agree with that point, Tachi.
01:11:58
Speaker
This movie, as well as Collateral, all feel like they are tackling toxic masculinity. So they very much feel like the focus...
01:12:11
Speaker
um I don't know. It could be both. It could it could be a number of things. So I do think it's a valid criticism for sure. i don't know. Much smarter people than me could elaborate on that.
01:12:26
Speaker
Okay. I guess I'll elaborate on that. Go ahead. Why is Michael Mann like this? Why does Michael Mann hate women? I don't think he does. i just think he... he
01:12:40
Speaker
He does what he's good at, and that's digging into the male psyche. All of his main characters, doesn't matter the movie. Every single Michael Mann movie I've seen is is starred by some problematic guy.
01:12:52
Speaker
A guy who's got some sort of issues, he's battling some sort of demon, and it's just, this is how it influences his life. Yeah. um In Heat,
01:13:05
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ah it's It's basically spelled out in the cafe scene, ah which we haven't talked about yet. and i think I do want to talk about it. We need to talk about that. um And he is pretty much spelled out right there, right? I mean, you know, you got your discipline, you got this, and like this runs my life, my code to ethics, except your code is, you know, none of these guys are good people, right?
01:13:28
Speaker
You're rooting for them because they the main characters this movie and they rock, but they're terrible people. Yep. Right. Val Kilmer's character is like abusive, hot temper, gambling addict. He's got issues. You know, Robert Niro's character, Neil Macaulay, is just like cold-blooded.
01:13:45
Speaker
know, they're all killers. They're all okay with it. They're all criminals. you know Vincent Hanna is completely sucked into his work. Doesn't make time for family.
01:13:56
Speaker
He, you know, he completely ignores everything going on around him because he's so wrapped up in catching the bad guys. He doesn't even see his own stepdaughter spiraling the drain. um His multiple marriages, they all implode. Like, it's because of him. These aren't good people.
01:14:16
Speaker
You know, they're not, they're not role models, not people you should model your life after. you know They're problematic individuals, and this is the story. it' they're They're tragic story, right? Yeah, they're badass.
Anticipation for 'Heat 2' and Female Characters
01:14:28
Speaker
They're badass. This movie's so sick. um It would be interesting to see how Michael Mann tackles the the female characters Heat 2.
01:14:46
Speaker
I'll be sure to see A, who stars as them, and B, how they're they're handled. I mean, it was co-written by a woman, so I'll be sure to see the ah the feedback on um on if that issue
Explaining 'Heat 2' Timeline and Structure
01:15:02
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persists. you know And you said Heat 2 is a continuation of one of the survivors of Heat?
01:15:09
Speaker
Heat 2 is a prequel and a sequel. It's like 89 through like 2000, I think is like the timeline. Okay.
01:15:20
Speaker
So it jumps back and forth. Like every, there's like five parts and each part is like starts post heat, preheat, post heat, preheat, post heat.
01:15:38
Speaker
A lot of familiar faces in it. A lot of new characters. And I think it's all interwoven fairly well.
01:15:50
Speaker
I will say my wall i really enjoyed reading the book. I blew through it in like two days. um If you're a fan of the movie, you'll probably really enjoy the book as well.
01:16:01
Speaker
You gotta suspend like a little disbelief for where a certain character ends up. Like what the what they're up to post-heat. But...
01:16:14
Speaker
I'm rocking with it. As long as we get more heat. Who's rocking with heists?
Analysis of 'Heat's' Cafe Scene
01:16:20
Speaker
But before we talk about heat two, let's go back to the cafe scene.
01:16:28
Speaker
That cafe scene is incredible. It's what makes Al Pacino's entire cartoonish performance. work for me. It makes sense because it's toned down in the cafe scene. So everything else that he does outside of it feels very intentional that when he's face to face with Neil first, it starts with, with Vincent pulling Neil over. He finally gets them and invites him for a cup of coffee.
01:16:57
Speaker
Hilarious interaction. Does Robert De Niro's face just stone cold? Just all right. But like,
01:17:08
Speaker
Like when the chips are down and these two men are just having this conversation about why they do what they do. Just like all cards are on the table.
01:17:21
Speaker
It's beautiful. Like, I don't know how else to put it.
01:17:31
Speaker
It's so intense. It's like watching two heavyweights like stare each other down.
01:17:40
Speaker
Tachi. i'm I'm trying to find the words to describe this scene, but it's just, it's,
01:17:50
Speaker
it's obviously a standout scene outside of the shootout and it's got me lost for words. It's just absolute cinema. It's just as impactful as the shootout. I feel right it's like two different types of shootouts happening.
Characters' Motivations and Tragic Choices
01:18:04
Speaker
Um, and it's so quotable, like at the end of the day, Oh my God, it's really good.
01:18:16
Speaker
And like you said, it it rounds out the characters so well, and it's so nice for them to have this moment of. I guess you can describe it as peace.
01:18:28
Speaker
But it's just. It's just fascinating to see them outside of conflict. These two opposing heads. just colliding but not know conflicting yeah it's because they are each other like they completely understand each other mm-hmm They're like, oh, well like, what are you going to do if this happens? He's like, well, I'm not going to stop. What are you going to do? He's like, well, I'm not going to stop. And they're like, all right my man. And then you just high five at the end of it. Like, what do you do? At the end of the day, you're just like, I'm going to do me.
01:19:01
Speaker
You're going to do you. We'll see what happens. Whatever happens, though, like, it's not personal. Like, this is just who I am. This is... This is what this is like what the trauma is that's built into me on both sides. And they know that like no matter what, they have to they will have to continue.
01:19:21
Speaker
and And they make it pretty clear at that moment that they do respect each other. There's a respect. And it's also really sad. Yeah. Just like like they know they know how
01:19:36
Speaker
like how bad they are and the people that they hurt and no matter who they bring close into their life will eventually be hurt. Like there's no stopping that, but they choose to do it anyway.
01:19:48
Speaker
Because they're selfish. How about we all? Am I right, fellas? Who amongst us?
Favorite Scenes from 'Heat'
01:19:58
Speaker
ah Favorite scenes besides the shootout and the the coffee.
01:20:03
Speaker
Hmm.
01:20:07
Speaker
I really liked the, i mean, this is like the climax of the movie. It's it's at the airport um or whatever that place is But that collection of like boxes, whatever those are, the way that that was put together and filmed and shot and and the suspense.
01:20:27
Speaker
The landing lights. Yeah. What an interesting shootout. Like that is such a cool idea. I would have never thought of that. in the shadows and yeah, I don't know. It was so cool. Like Michael Mann one day was just near LAX and he saw the lights of a plane and he said, huh, what if that was just going on and off constantly?
01:20:49
Speaker
And then he got people to run next to airliners on the tarmac. So loud. I shouted out the ah the first time Neil meeting.
01:21:04
Speaker
yeah Neil meeting his, um no, Neil meeting that that girl for the first time, that introduction. Yes.
01:21:14
Speaker
Obviously, the cafe scene just lives in my head rent-free. What about you, Alex? um Kind of like a smaller moment. But ah after the the shootout, Neil McCauley's in the car with Edie, and they're trying to get away.
01:21:33
Speaker
And John Voight's on the phone with him. Nate's on the phone him. He's like, oh, you're home free. And then they go into the tunnel, and like the music swells, and like the light of the tunnel goes over him.
01:21:46
Speaker
And it's like, that's so good. And then when they get out of the tunnel...
01:21:53
Speaker
He makes a decision about tying up some loose ends that they take a a detour to go do. And I just, I love it so much. Because, ah it's just so good. It's it's so it is not even like, I mean, again, I don't know how to put it into words.
01:22:16
Speaker
It's not even like an exciting part of the movie. It's just like this random, not even like a random scene. It's just, it's actually like a very quiet scene where you think like, Oh, you know, now the movie is going to end.
Reflecting on 'Heat's' Cultural Impact
01:22:29
Speaker
You're starting. And it's like, no, we still have like an hour left here. It's starting again as he jerks the car into the exit lane. Yeah. Um, and,
01:22:41
Speaker
you's like you It's like watching a car accident. You know how this is going to go. like You know what's about to happen and how this is going end up. But you can't look away. You can't do it.
01:22:54
Speaker
It was just always inevitable. it was always a ah It was always going to lead to that. yeah That end scene at the airport. And it's and it's and it's heartbreaking. like i own and then And then when he's running out of the hotel ah at the end. Oh, my gosh. She's sitting in the car and she gets out.
01:23:15
Speaker
Crazy good payoff. watch the movie, people. Just go watch this movie. Crazy good payoff. And it's like like at that moment, like Neil has this face where where you really think he might just stay with her.
01:23:31
Speaker
Like, he might do it, but I truly feel that him seeing Vincent, Vincent seeing him, like we like, they all knew what was happening. They're like, it's going back to the cafe scene. Like, what are you going do if this happens?
01:23:42
Speaker
like like Like, it came true. And I feel Neil had to prove it to Vincent that he was also, like, a man of his word. Like, I think there was a soft spot starting in Neil, for sure. There's a world where he would have left.
01:23:59
Speaker
But because Vincent showed up, there was, it's the toxic masculinity coming out. Like, i at that point, I don't think he wanted to leave. I think he would have stayed. Maybe.
01:24:10
Speaker
got it rips. Go watch it.
'Heat' as a Cinematic Masterpiece
01:24:12
Speaker
Guys, go watch it. I want to be a bank robber so bad. I don't think you have to do that. Didn't this movie make you want to be like a bank robber? It makes being a bank robber seem so cool.
01:24:27
Speaker
It does. just that die ah so You can't even deny it. You can't even deny it. Toxic masculinity this, toxic masculinity you that. The aura of this movie. The drip. It's so 90s. It's so cool. The 90s underrated.
01:24:46
Speaker
Underrated. This was the movie that made me understand the Robert De Niro hype because really I haven't seen much of him pre-2000s. Like Meet the Parents onward, I'm like, is this guy like really that big of a deal? Like I've thought this my entire life and now after Heat I'm like, okay, I get it.
01:25:09
Speaker
This guy was the fucking man. Did see Killers of the Flower Moon? Yeah. I mean he was great in that but like He's just been known as like a badass actor. Yeah. And this is, yeah, this movie really made that evident for me.
01:25:26
Speaker
You're laughing. Robert De Niro is in heat and you're laughing. Because this is the movie.
01:25:34
Speaker
It is. You know what? I just think that watching this a second time, it's like, you're right. This is the movie. Yeah. This is a movie's movie. This is your favorite movie's favorite movie. Dude, it literally is. I can't wait to watch it again. But like fully watch it. it's It is so unbelievably good that... And it's starting to get a lot of recognition.
01:25:59
Speaker
I feel like in like the last like three years, I've seen Heat. Like there's been like a Heat-essence. nice And like people are starting to be like discovering this movie and being like, oh my God, this is as deserving to be in the conversation as like The Godfather. And I'm going to say it.
01:26:24
Speaker
He deserves to be in that convo flat out. No questions asked.
01:26:30
Speaker
This is one of my favorite movies of all time. I think it's one of the greatest movies ever seen.
01:26:37
Speaker
it is It is just... It is so... like it's It's an epic. It's like an American epic. Yeah. Three hours long, not a minute wasted, this tragic story about like two guys you know pissing their life away.
01:26:56
Speaker
And it just is so good. It's so raw. It's so gripping and real and visceral. And it's just fantastic. 4.5 and a heart.
01:27:07
Speaker
Liar. ah Do we want to give ratings and then talk a little bit about Heat too? Sure. Yeah.
01:27:16
Speaker
I'll go first. Five stars. And a heart. I gave it a heart. i was like, happy I don't know what a heart means to me, but I'm giving it a heart on Leatherboxx. Yeah, all all my five stars get hearts. And um this is another one.
01:27:30
Speaker
Five stars and a heart.
01:27:33
Speaker
Guys, we're about to make Lost in the Frame history.
Potential Casting for 'Heat 2'
01:27:36
Speaker
I think for the first time, we might all have given a movie five stars and a heart. Because I also am giving this five stars and a heart.
01:27:50
Speaker
Great recommendation, Alex. true and Now that we've gotten that out of the way, did I tell you or did I tell you? You told us. It was that good. It was that good of a movie.
01:28:02
Speaker
It was unbelievable. It's so heartbreaking when the Allstate guy dies. Dude, didn't even talk about that. Because I didn't want to be Saturdays in the middle shootout. But like as soon as he comes up on screen, I'm like, fuck, he's gone.
01:28:16
Speaker
The least amount of screen time. Arguably like one of the biggest, like most memorable heartaches. He was not in good hands.
01:28:27
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um
01:28:35
Speaker
Banger. That joke was heat. That was good. right. What do we know about heat 2? Here's what we know about. We don't know a lot about heat 2, but I got two articles. One of them's from GQ.
01:28:48
Speaker
Okay. um So basically what I've already talked about is it jumps back and forth like 885, 88, like late mid to late 80s to 2000. um Jumps back and forth between um you know what happens to a character after they after the events of the movie um as well as everybody pre-events of heat.
01:29:14
Speaker
ah Pre-events of heat, you know the the the The main guys from the heist, you got Macaulay, Chris Scheherlis, and Tom Sizemore's character, Michael... something.
01:29:29
Speaker
um They're in it. Vincent Han is in it in the beginning there. um And a lot of new characters. So...
01:29:42
Speaker
lot of the original actors from Heat are either too old to kind of reprise their roles as they were for that like short of a time jump, or sadly, they passed away. ah you know Tom Sizemore passed away couple years ago. We also had Al Kilmer last year.
01:29:58
Speaker
um So you know we're not going to see a lot of the original actors reprise their role. However...
Concerns Over Michael Mann's Age
01:30:08
Speaker
The names attached to this movie so far, both confirmed and rumored, are equally as insane.
01:30:17
Speaker
So, according to GQ, and this article is from March 20th, 2026. So, this is, like, pretty fairly recent. We have confirmed Leonardo DiCaprio and Christian Bale.
01:30:36
Speaker
i mean, already, just... Pretty good additions. Pretty good additions. Don't we also have Adam Driver confirmed? I think he's rumored. I don't know if he's been confirmed yet.
01:30:52
Speaker
I hope he's confirmed. Here are some of the other people rumored for this one. Al Pacino is supposed to be in Heat 2. I don't know who he's going to play. Maybe himself de-aged.
01:31:05
Speaker
He's old now. My eyes see he Around the corner. I see Heat? No, they don't. It's Tony. What happened?
01:31:17
Speaker
ah
01:31:22
Speaker
Here's some of the names rumored for Heat 2. Austin Butler, Al Pacino, Ana de Armas, Adam Driver, Bradley Cooper, Channing Tatum, and Jeremy Allen White.
01:31:41
Speaker
I'm in. I mean, seing if we get 80% of those people listed, are you kidding me?
01:31:53
Speaker
I'm excited. its I'm super excited. And you know what? I don't even know if this, like having read the book, I don't know if this would ever win like an Oscar or something, but it would win the Oscar of my heart.
01:32:04
Speaker
Michael Mann is old. I'm worried that he may pass before this movie is finished. yeah That would be the worst thing to happen to this planet ever. He's at least in his seventies now, right?
01:32:15
Speaker
Maybe eighties. Let me see. Michael Mann is... Is he a great depression baby? 83. 83. He was born in 43. He's a World II baby. oh Wow.
01:32:31
Speaker
They needed him on the front.
01:32:39
Speaker
Oh, I worry. I get worried, you know, and Al Pacino is one of those guys i so I'm starting to worry about, too. I was watching i say i was watching ah Devil's Advocate and I'm i'm just like Pacino is so old now. He's one of those guys that's just always been around. Like, I don't know what I'm going to do when he's not there. Yeah.
01:33:00
Speaker
I love him. Same with De Niro. They've been continuously in movies.
01:33:09
Speaker
And they've just always been around. They've always put out like great performance after great performance.
Desire for Criterion Release and Mann's Other Films
01:33:15
Speaker
I will say Al Pacino has had some questionable picks, more so than De Niro. I think De Niro has the better film slate overall. I think Pacino's probably the better actor.
01:33:24
Speaker
m But, I mean, both those guys are just absolute titans of the Italian-American scene, you know? I need that Italian-American representation.
01:33:36
Speaker
Pacino and De Niro are important to to the little guy like me. You're the tallest one here. yeah
01:33:44
Speaker
i guess I am. Heat will be re-released in theaters soon. I need a Heat Criterion 4K remaster like drugs. I need need intravenously.
01:33:58
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We've gotten a ton of Michael Mann Criterion releases. We've gotten Thief...
01:34:06
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That's a lot. We've gotten Thief. I don't know if we've gotten Manhunter or Collateral, but I know we've gotten Thief because the Thief one came out pretty recently. We've got dozens.
01:34:17
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We've got maybe one. Okay, so if if I were to watch a second Michael Mann movie, what would it be? like what when next's on my list Next on my list that I have not seen is Thief.
01:34:31
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Okay. My second favorite Michael Mann is Manhunter. I need to rewatch Last the Mohicans because i saw that movie when I was in middle school and I shouldn't have watched it. I was not old enough to appreciate that one.
01:34:48
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um It's got Daniel Day-Lewis in it. It's one of his great roles. ah I love Manhunter. Manhunter is so 80s. It's the first Hannibal Lecter movie made.
01:35:02
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Really? for Pre-Anthony Hopkins, pre-Silence of the Lambs. ah They remade it, actually, as Red Dragon ah with um Ray Fiennes as the bad guy and Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter.
01:35:15
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I'm a again familiar with Michael Mann's filmography. Believe that. Manhunter is awesome. I love it. ah So I would recommend Man Honor. Okay. bri Brian Cox of ah Succession. Nice. Plays a Hannibal Lecter. Oh, okay. I'm sold.
01:35:32
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Love
Humorous Multitasking Anecdote
01:35:33
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Brian Cox. Yeah, that's next for me then. ah Well, this one was a doozy, guys. Yeah, heck of an episode. But we did it. Unbeknownst to the listener, Tachi and I did an entire Dynasty draft while filming this episode. That's actually insane. For fantasy football.
01:35:52
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When I was talking about, I was going on some spiel about something at 8.32. So, I don't know, an hour and change ago. I was going on about something. I had like three picks in a row.
01:36:06
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That's crazy. i bet you didn't even notice. I didn't. That's how good I am. Don't ask me how my team was last year. Congratulations. Any closing thoughts from you guys?
01:36:20
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Go watch Heat. Go watch Heat. Go watch Popstar. It's fun. Yeah. Popstar is so fun. I recommend the double feature that we did. Watch Popstar and then watch Heat.
01:36:31
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It's crazy. In that order. the whiplash back and forth between them.
Suggesting 'Popstar' and 'Heat' Double Feature Viewing
01:36:36
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It's Popstar, get some food, watch Heat. Like Popstar is like, you know...
01:36:43
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Happy fun, la la la, and he is you know human smuggling fentanyl deaths.
01:36:50
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Force government euthanasia.
01:37:00
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Oh, that was perfect.
01:37:04
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All right. What we got coming up for the rest of the month? We got Michael. And then the Mandalorian and Groguesey. bo I'm excited for that one too. it's true that All right. Here's my, here's my hot take.
01:37:21
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One of us is going to end up liking it. and The rest of the other two are just going to like verbally beat the crap out of them the entire episode. It could literally be any of us. It could be any of us based on the context of what we like. It could be hey any of us.
01:37:39
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We'll find out We know Malik likes bad Star Wars movies. We know Malik likes bad Star Wars It's crazy because I don't because The Last Jedi is not bad. Hmm.
01:37:50
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I like Rian Johnson, but he has his flaws. Don't we all, though? We lot of them during The Last Jedi. Hmm. Not really. Hmm.
01:38:02
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I'm not going to give your cats back. We're ending the episode now. Thank you so much for listening. Have a good day, night, week, or weekend, whatever time it is. See you in the next one. Bye. See ya.