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The Wild Robot, Parenthood, and Our Relationship with Nature
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In this episode Jon welcomes a new co-host, his friend Nate Knobloch. In this episode they begin a discussion around their favorite films from 2024, beginning with The Wild Robot, it's depiction of parenthood, and what is says about our relationship with God's creation.
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Introduction and Host Dynamics
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Hello everybody, welcome back to Artists of the Way.
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I'm John, the host.
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Today, I suspiciously have my friend Nate Knobloch back with me.
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Basically, what's happening is he's held me captive and I can't record podcasts anymore unless he's here because he insists on being here.
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We'll talk about deep things.
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And I hate talking about deep things.
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Or you can't leave.
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It sucks.
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It's a really bad situation.
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My work doesn't like it.
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It's unfortunate.
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House is caving in.
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That's what happens when you don't pay your mortgage.
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It caves in.
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I feel like there's a pun that I'm not getting.
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Not that I knew.
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I just like that.
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Oh, I can't pay the bills.
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The house is KB.
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That's adulthood for you.
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Money literally physically supports your household or your house.
Podcast Format Changes
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Nate is joining us as the co-host for Artists of the Way.
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So we are doing a bit of a format change.
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News to you.
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Wow.
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This is something.
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I know.
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I'm excited.
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Me too.
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The goal is for format, we're still doing two episodes a month, and one will be just us, and then another one will be with a guest.
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So we're going to have a couple episodes.
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coming up of Nate and I talking about some movies and things around those movies.
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We just recently watched two Oscar-nominated films that we each recommend to each other.
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They are very important.
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This is an important podcast.
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Also, other note, you may hear some slight audio or see some visual differences.
Studio Updates and Visual Content
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We're adjusting the studio, if you will.
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Studio head quotes for my audio listeners.
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Because, I mean, it's not a full studio yet.
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Come on over to YouTube and see the studio.
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See the studio.
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See the corner.
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It's a corner now.
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More art will be ordaining this and ordaining?
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Is that right?
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We're going to have artworks that somehow are also priests.
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That's the intersection of faith and art.
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Right there.
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Art becomes a priest.
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This sounds blasphemous.
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Wow, yeah.
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Or, okay, hang on, follow my train of thought here.
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Theologically, in some denominations, the priest is meant to be like an image of Christ, not in the sense of like, well, worship him, he's Christ, but in the sense of like, it can be a physical sort of example of Christ there in the mass.
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Right.
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I don't know if I'm 100% on board with that, but...
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In that way, then if you have an art that is reflecting Christ to you, then it would be a priest.
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So that's an argument you could make for it.
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I don't know if I buy it completely.
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You can make that, man.
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We'll see what the old Pope says about it.
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Old Pope.
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Old Popey.
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We're going to have him as a guest next episode.
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I don't know.
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Did you know that the... Philippe?
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Jean-Claude?
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Jean-Claude?
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Jean-Claude?
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Jean-Claude.
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Jean-Claude?
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Jean-Claude.
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Jean-Claude?
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Jean-Claude.
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Jean-Claude.
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Jean-Claude.
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Louis.
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Do you know the current Pope's name?
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I do.
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It's... You were clucked with one of them, Francis.
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Yep.
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Good name, Francis.
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Good saint.
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He liked animals and he protested the crusades.
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Oh, did he?
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He did.
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I just found that out recently.
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Because too many animals would die in it.
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No, I think because too many humans would die in it.
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He liked the humans too.
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He did like humans too.
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Oh my!
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He was a good saint.
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Wow!
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What was his miracle?
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Did he talk to the animals, Dr. Doolittle style?
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I don't know what his miracle was, but...
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um shay would probably know because that was her uh her saint when she was confirmed so right um i've completely lost my train of thought now we were talking about priest we were talking about the pope as a joke and then pope's a joke oh that's not what i'm saying i will say
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um yes but we um so we're going to talk about the wild robot he's going to date in the wall that was it that's right oh because i was filling people in on what's happening with the art yeah this is a chaotic episode but that's fine yeah so new co-host okay get him out of here get along um so yes we're going to be visually it will be more spectacular spectacular is a weird word for it but it will be um and you're hearing just some some differences in the audio there that's why
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More spectacular?
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They might not be hearing the differences.
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Oh, that's true.
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I'm hearing the differences.
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They may have a not as good of ear.
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They could be a little deaf.
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If your ear is not as attuned and sophisticated as mine.
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This is a great way to start the new podcast format is just insulting our audience.
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I think it's wonderful.
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Maybe they're just assuming that we're insulting the other audience, not them.
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Well, of course we're not talking about you, dear listener slash viewer.
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Philippe Jean-Claude.
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It's the other guys.
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Oh, I remember what I was going to say.
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Pope John Paul II, who if I'm remembering right, was the Pope before Francis.
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He was also a playwright, I discovered recently.
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No, Benedict was before Francis.
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Oh, okay.
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Then he was before Benedict.
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Yeah.
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But he was also a playwright.
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He was?
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Yes.
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And so I want to find his plays and read them because that sounds really fascinating.
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Or before Poping.
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I think during.
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I feel like he wrote something during Pope-ing.
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What did he let go to go and write some plays?
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I wonder if they were good.
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I hope so.
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That's why I want to look at them.
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Yeah.
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I mean, Catholics have a good track record with art, so.
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Yeah.
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If it's the Pope, you can't let him slack, man.
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They got to be great.
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What?
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Wouldn't it be like, it's much been awkward for his like, cardinals and stuff that they didn't like it.
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They're like, oh.
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Yes.
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There is something.
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There's something there.
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You are stating true things.
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I can see you in it.
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A part of you.
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A part of you.
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Not my favorite part.
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Not your best part.
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But there's part of you there.
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yes so we're going to chat over the next couple episodes about a couple of um at least uh individually our favorite films of 2024 so one of them is my favorite film of 2024 oh it was i think it was wow we can talk more about that in the next episode the other one might be my favorite i was hoping i was like if we could be talking i did this in 2023 too so it's working out look at that look at that so
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Yes, the Wild Robot.
Analysis of 'The Wild Robot'
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Okay.
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Are we going to do spoilers?
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We didn't talk about this ahead of time.
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I think we should.
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I think we should as well.
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Spoilers.
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Yes, for the Wild Robot at least, I would, well, depending on your age, I would highly recommend both.
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The other one, they're both very clean.
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I think, yeah, I don't think there's any content.
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Just the second one has more to grapple with.
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We'll talk more about that in the next episode, though.
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I need to not cross the streams, as the Ghostbusters would say.
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Oh, did they say that?
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Yeah.
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You haven't seen Ghostbusters?
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No.
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I'm not Catholic.
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I don't believe in ghosts.
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I also like that it implies that I'm Catholic.
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I do believe in ghosts.
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You're the one defending the Pope and talking about ghosts.
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I didn't defend the Pope.
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I just said I'm not going to say he's something.
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I don't know.
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I'm not going to insult the Pope.
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A bad artist.
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No, I was joking about that.
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There was something else we were saying about it.
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I don't know.
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I'm losing my train of thought.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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I hope he made good art, too.
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I hope he did.
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Yeah.
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It would suck if he made sucky art.
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It was like him and Reagan and Margaret Thatcher that brought down...
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I didn't know he was like involved in that war.
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I knew that he was part of like the reform in the Catholic church.
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Like the most recent council that happened was under him.
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Oh, was he?
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That was Vatican II?
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Was under him?
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Yes, he was Vatican II.
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Oh, interesting.
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That's so interesting because like...
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Some Catholics that I like and follow don't really like Vatican II, but from what I've heard of it, it sounds pretty nice.
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Yeah, there's a lot of sort of like mixed reviews.
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I saw that on Rotten Tomatoes on Vatican II.
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But you know, Council of Nicaea also had mixed reviews.
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It did.
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It did.
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Because of just the filiochi clause.
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I don't think that's how I pronounced that.
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Filiochi.
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I don't think that's right.
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You could have gotten five.
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Filiochi.
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I don't know.
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This is getting too theological now.
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We need to see the backwards.
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Now, the wild robot.
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The wild robot.
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Yes.
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So this may be your favorite.
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Yes, there will be spoilers, so please go watch it beforehand.
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It's streaming on Peacock.
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You can buy it.
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It's lovely.
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I think completely unobjectionable by anybody.
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I'd love to hear somebody try and object to it.
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If you have objections to it... We would love to hear that.
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Tell us, because I want to know... I'll say that I'll spit in their face on air, but in actuality, I'll probably...
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have try and have a like calm discussion and try and find out what you're saying.
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Yeah.
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I'm a coward.
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That's behind the scenes.
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What's going on?
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Yeah.
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Behind the scenes we talk nicely.
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Yes.
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But on air, we're like WWE.
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We have all this infighting, quote unquote, but then in actuality, we're just buddy buddy.
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Fake blood.
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Fake blood on the podcast.
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But yes, your favorite movie of 2024, potentially.
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I don't remember what other movies came out.
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So yeah, this was definitely my favorite of 2024.
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What did you love about it?
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It was so beautiful.
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It was.
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I love the art.
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Some beautiful lighting and use of colors.
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Yes.
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I feel like...
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So like for the past 20 plus years, animation has been largely had the Pixar look that they call it, you know, so it looks like all the Pixar movies.
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It's kind of accurate to how physics works in the world, how lighting works in the world.
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And that's just how animated movies look.
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And then...
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And then like some, did it start with like, um, into the spider verse?
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I think it probably started with spider verse that they're like, Oh, well there's cloudy with a chance of meatballs, which is the same producers of spider verse people.
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I feel like has some, I feel like it has some of it, but I feel like they were playing around with it.
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Maybe then spider verse like really took it and matured it.
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Yeah.
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Cause they're like, it's like, wait, we can still do art.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Just because we're using computers doesn't mean that we need to be soulless.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then Puss in Boots, was it The Last Wish?
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The Last Wish.
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It was doing some of that stuff, kind of had that painted look, and the Wild Robot totally has that painted look while still being 3D animated.
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Mm-hmm.
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I feel like almost you could take a still shot of almost any frame and like hang it up on the wall.
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It's like framed like art and like the background is just like not always very realistic and sometimes we're just standing like in a tree of purple leaves all around us just because we know it's gonna look beautiful.
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And so I just I really appreciated that.
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Yeah I feel like
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I feel like animation has felt a lot like Marvel movies recently, which I love Marvel movies, but I feel like eight or nine times out of ten, cinematography-wise and as far as the artistic side, you're usually not getting something amazing.
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Every once in a while, you'll get a great, beautifully composed shot, but most of the time it kind of feels like...
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the director was hired just to do that job and they are competent and they're excelling with the characters and they're excelling with some of the writing, but the visuals and that side of the medium is just getting the job done.
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Right.
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Whereas this did not feel like it was just getting the job done.
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It felt like it was.
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And not to say that all of the Pixar-style animation has felt just like getting the job done.
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No, I love Pixar, but this was something different though.
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But this was something different and new.
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And I agree with you.
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I was just...
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like I felt swept away in it for a variety of reasons, but I mean the visuals especially, like I was just sitting there and watching and there's this moment where Roz, the robot,
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is like finally gotten to the point where they are trying to return to the factory that they came from.
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And so they have their beacon going off and just the way that they like rendered and designed the light going.
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And there's like this very hard circle around the light where like the light was cast.
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I was like, that's just an interesting visual that just looks very beautiful.
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It was so thoughtful, like everything that they did.
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And like you said, like immersive.
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Yeah.
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I think the story was so immersive, how they started it.
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I want your perspective.
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Let me, just in case people have decided not to heed our warnings and not watch the wild robot and instead listen to just us.
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fools okay it's good let me let me let me give a little brief like summary of the premise and then more will probably be revealed as we go so there's how just tell how it starts there's the lightning storm and then there's a robot that's that's right it's like you don't know what's going on i know you don't it's great i think i i knew the premise already so i had some idea but you are just really thrown into it and like that first like
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The first 15, 20 minutes is just this robot trying to survive.
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And it's just bonkers and crazy and hilarious.
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Yeah.
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There were shades of Looney Tunes, I felt like, in it too, which I was very happy with because I loved Looney Tunes growing up.
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But you were just thrown into this world, and you're sort of discovering it with this robot because this robot's trapped on this island.
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There's only animals.
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So you are kind of discovering this world with the robot.
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Yeah, because the robot is essentially born at the very beginning of the movie.
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And then you're kind of like born along with it, like into this movie, because it feels very different than a normal movie, like even story wise.
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so what is this world what is this story you're just finding it out along with the robot yeah the pacing was very interesting and normally i'm a real i'm a real stickler for pacing i think pacing can make or break a movie and oftentimes the the sort of pacing that this movie had i wouldn't normally like like i'd normally attribute it to a bad movie it just feels like things are just happening
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But like the first 20 minutes, it felt like things were just happening, but it didn't feel bad or out of control.
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It felt like we were just kind of sweeping along and going.
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And occasionally I had a thought of like, this is moving really fast.
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But...
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It established everything really elegantly, I thought, and planted us in quickly and efficiently.
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And just it took its time where it needed to take its time.
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That's something that the restraint of these movie makers, I thought, was was amazing.
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Because there was certain...
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Oh, okay.
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Also, the nature that it's a children's story, I think, probably helps with that.
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Because children's stories, I think, even if they have more behind it that's sprawling, when you're aiming for that...
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middle grade or younger age, you really just have to latch into the characters, I think, and get the kids to just enjoy the characters and the whimsy.
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Even with the characters, though, wasn't it interesting that they didn't go into the backstory of, like, the fox?
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Yes.
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No, I loved that.
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I think that was great.
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Yeah.
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You got just what you needed.
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He was like a...
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slightly troubled character that clearly oh he's not been loved before because that's kind of mentioned and you expect to see the flashback or him telling yes this is what happened with my family who didn't love me but no they just let it be just what it said but you didn't need anything more you understood what he was going through without needing the whole explainer it was very much show not tell yeah and a lot of less is more yeah where yeah just implying that
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which a lot of great art has.
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I mean, even paintings, right?
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Like it's more, this is why I'm probably not good at paintings because I'm not good at this discipline
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when I'm trying to draw a picture or something like that, I'm implying something here as opposed to actually drawing it.
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Like you're implying a tree as opposed to painting a tree.
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I have trouble with that too.
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Right.
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Because I feel like if I'm doing my job as an artist well, I'm like getting all the details in there.
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Right.
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It looks exactly like a tree.
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Right.
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But this movie totally made me think about that because like one of the first things you see is like a cliff wall that the robot has to figure out how to climb.
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Loved that scene.
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But...
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It doesn't look like it's not as detailed as like a real cliff wall would be.
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But yet...
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it almost says more than it would if it was the complete accurate.
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And that just made me think about art in that sometimes art is more realistic if it doesn't portray something factually realistic because it can emphasize some of the soul of a thing, the way you experience it.
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by showing it, by taking away some details or highlighting some details.
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That's like why music is so important in movies.
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Usually, like there's not music going in our everyday life, but a movie is like less real if it doesn't have music playing because that like pulls the soul, which is like that's something that we experience.
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Well, and that's part of the reason why we talked about it a couple episodes ago, but these sort of mythic tales or superhero stories or things, that's part of why I love them, because by...
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by extrapolating it from reality and putting it into sort of this hyper real world that is not a perfect one-to-one where the like family drama is that like I'm thinking about as I was thinking about this movie today I was thinking about Superman and Lois as well which is a TV show I want to talk about sometime
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which I'm probably going to talk about a little bit now.
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But here we go.
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Here we go.
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I mean, it's just, it's four seasons and it's one of just, I think the most beautiful representations of a family I think I've seen in modern like filmmaking today.
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And it's just a great way to reinvent the Superman character, which the comics have done.
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They've done that thing before too.
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So they're taking inspiration from the comics, but, um,
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You know, you're just experiencing this family life with teenage boys and it's with Superman.
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But instead of it being like, oh, this, you know, dad is struggling to control his emotions.
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It's, oh, it's this dad is struggling to control his superpowers.
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Right.
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And it sort of heightens it in a way.
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But then you're like, oh, I can vibe with that.
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I understand where he's at with the family right now.
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Or it's like the threat to the family that they need to bind together is, you know, not losing the house.
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It's a giant monster that's going to kill the dad.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But there's there's that emotional truth in there where you don't have to get as and I mean, stories can go as detailed and nuanced as that.
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But a lot of times art doesn't need to.
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And I
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think good theater does that too, where it implies what's going on in the blocking in the set.
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Things are not perfectly realized.
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Yeah.
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But it's implied and immersive enough that you're like, okay, I can buy where we're at.
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I can relax in here into this and believe this world that is also a little hyper real because people are acting a bit larger than they do in normal life.
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And lights are changing colors, which I mean, they can do in day to day life.
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But
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Usually when you're singing, lights don't turn purple and start flashing and strobing.
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No, but it feels like it does, though.
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Like, a couple nights ago, I went out with my wife, Ellie.
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It was like the first time we had a date night since before our son was born.
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Yeah.
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Their new son, not their old son.
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It hasn't been two years since you guys have had a date.
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It's been two years.
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Oh, no!
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No, yes.
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And he was only born a month ago.
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Right.
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But...
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But we went dancing, which was just us trying to find a quiet spot in a corner of the mall and set up a speaker and just dance there.
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But it felt like so magical.
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Something about music, like we talked about, gets that emotion, that magic feeling.
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Dancing just adds it to a next level.
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And then doing it with a person that you love heightens it even more.
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And so it's like...
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I think it looks probably strange from the security cameras.
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And in the end, someone had to tell us that our music was too loud and it was time to go home.
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But it was, yeah.
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But it was like a very like amazing, magical experience though.
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And that like what it felt fitting to have like the lights changing and stuff like that because that's the way I was feeling while it was happening.
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And so it's like appropriate when that happens in movies.
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I love musicals so much.
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I know.
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And I think that's a that's a move in general, I think, with art that I'm really enjoying.
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in film in particular, I think film in like us growing up got really focused on the hyper real, which there is a place for that.
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But I think film is starting to get more comfortable with, Oh, we can play fast and loose with kind of what's going on here without breaking the suspension of disbelief or taking this seriously.
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Like there's even a series of shots in conclave, which we'll talk about in a couple episodes.
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Um,
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that I think about that too, where it just starts listing the names of these Pope candidates and it's just them alone in this voting room.
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And you're like, clearly they cannot all be the only ones left in this voting room because there's only one of them in this voting room in each shot.
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But artistically, I love that moment to see, and particularly the last person it settles on is just wonderful for his emotional state and blah, blah, blah.
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But I feel like, I think,
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giving ourselves the freedom to not have to be exact and precise and get more to the heart of the thing which i think i'm gonna get theological i was hoping we would i think there's a place for that theologically where and you can you could probably say that this is me
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trying to ease my heart or conscience or something as I navigate difficult situations.
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But I would say like, I think trying to get towards the heart of what Jesus wanted and being okay to do that messily and not perfectly, but chasing after that instead and trying to capture that as best you can, knowing you're not going to get it perfect.
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Right.
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I mean, a very obvious example of,
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Is that an obvious example I want to pull from?
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I'm not going to pull from that obvious example, but I wonder what it was.
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You probably know what it was if you think about it.
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I mean, there's, there's areas that as Christians, we have to walk through a lot, you know, and, and people you have to, to work with, you know, you, when you're, regardless of whether or not you're in ministry or not as a Christian, you are ordained as a priest because we're a priesthood of believers.
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You know, even if you're not a shepherd of a church, um,
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And in that, we have a missional call to the world.
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And so we are very much quite literally dealing with people's lives, regardless of your level of position in the church, you are dealing with people's lives.
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So there's a lot of weight there of...
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I'm being called by God to go out into the world to make disciples of all nations, whatever that looks like, to baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which is a little more obvious what that looks like.
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Well, I mean, people can debate that.
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It's full immersion and they have to be infants.
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That's the compromise we need.
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I'll give you your full immersion.
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But it has to be a baby.
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Only babies.
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They're just easier to dunk in there.
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They're lighter.
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Oh, we had baptism at my church yesterday.
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And there's a few kids, which was so sweet.
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But there's like a seven-year-old.
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And like my brother-in-law was sitting next to me.
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And he was like, I just want to see the pastor.
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Just like.
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Because he was so little.
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That is great.
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But we're being called to this missional life.
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which is inescapable for any Christian person, no matter how much a Christian person may try to ignore it.
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And what that looks like changes.
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But there is a weight of, I'm dealing with people's lives.
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And those come with all kinds of baggage towards Christ, towards the church, towards their own hangups and struggles.
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And...
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Oftentimes those put Christian people in positions of, I don't know what to do with this.
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Yeah.
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A lot of times you're in a gray area where I'm like, I'm not sure what to do with this, or I really know what I believe, but I don't know how to navigate that.
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Yeah.
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But I think, I think Jesus is big enough and his grace is big enough to cover our small mistakes that we make in trying to follow the heart of Christ.
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Um,
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And hopefully, no, not hopefully, his grace and presence is also big enough to use whatever we can give him in pursuit of the heart of Christ and other people, because that's not on us.
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He is, if we're going to map this like analogously to art, we are
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the painting or the lights in the musical that is trying to pursue this and he is the actual emotion that is evoked and we have not caused that that is happening right so in this the difference is that the emotion is the more active participant that is both making the lights happen and also making the response and the person happen yeah um but
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he is the one that can use that.
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Even if maybe we picked magenta when we should have picked scarlet, you know?
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And it's not to say that's unimportant.
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Right.
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But we don't have to be like, oh, dang it, do I have the perfect shade of red for this situation?
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We can instead chase after that truthful heart of Christ and that truthful response and trust him to guide and direct us and use that because it's him doing the work.
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Yeah.
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I think that goes along with something that I've been trying to learn and live out lately, the...
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The idea of like living by the spirit and trusting him to enable you to be the good and loving person that he wants you to be rather than trying to
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like force yourself to be the good and loving thing and coming at it out of your own effort.
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And that so often then doesn't actually manifest love towards someone else.
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But I've stressed about that.
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It's like, well, if I don't try to do the good thing, then I might just not do the good thing.
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But the truth is that if like, I asked Christ to inspire me to do something,
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the loving thing he does help me give me the heart to do it with a willing and loving heart and that that comes from him then and then it is re taken as a thing of love and it's given as a thing of love and doesn't create bitterness in me because i have to do this thing for you and do the right loving thing but i want to because i'm
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not doing it just like out of obligation.
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Right.
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But it's that living by the spirit.
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It's not like a law paint by numbers thing.
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It's very much murky in that he has to just guide us moment by moment in what he's having us do because he wants relationship.
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Yeah.
00:29:18
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I feel like I want to bring up conclave, but we're not talking about conclave, but I feel like it was next to conclave really well.
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He's busting.
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I know.
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Busting out of his skin.
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Yeah.
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Should I just bring up Conclave?
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I don't know.
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Let's see what else we can draw out of Wild Robot.
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Don't let me forget that moment.
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Tune in next time for that moment.
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Remind me somehow.
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I'm going to grab my phone.
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Stall the audience.
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Hey, guys.
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We have no affiliation with sleep numbers that we said sleep letter a sleep letter.
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Yeah.
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Oh, you're making a pun.
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Okay, good.
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Hopefully it'll end in Z. Lots of Z's.
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This is this is our intermission in the podcast.
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Okay, I'm
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There we go.
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And I'm going to set that there.
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So tune in next time to hear us pick up a little bit more of that thread because I think it connects to Conclave and connects to some things that I've been struggling with.
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Hang on.
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I'm going to get raw and honest with our podcast audience.
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Okay.
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Wild Robot.
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Yeah.
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I also really like the music, and I don't have any great theological themes to pull out of the music.
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But...
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I'm like, I need to watch this composer now because it had some music that is... Who was it?
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What was the name?
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It's Chris something.
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I was just listening to it in the car.
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It struck me.
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It was very beautiful.
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It was sort of... It wasn't simplistic.
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It reused a lot of motifs throughout, but that's good in a score.
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Chris Bowers.
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All right.
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It's Chris with a K, so now I'm curious if it is a... Whoa.
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Is it Mrs. Chris or a she Chris?
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It's a he Chris.
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Mr. Chris.
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If you get it out, Mr. Chris.
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Chris.
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No, it was just really lovely.
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It used the strings, which I always love because I'm a string boy.
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So I'm like loving to hear that string.
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Yeah.
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It was just great.
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Very stirring.
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Good layers.
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If you like film scores, check out the Wild Robots film score because it's very lovely.
00:31:31
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What did you think of the portrayal of Motherhood?
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I liked it.
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So it was... It was...
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Just to catch the audience.
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Oh, yes, because we've fallen off of our synopsis.
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This robot is created to help people with tasks, and he...
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Nobody on this island of animals that he's shipwrecked on has a task.
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That she's shipwrecked on.
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She's shipwrecked on.
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She the robot.
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Yes.
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But while being chased by a bear, she accidentally crushes a bunch of geese.
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Which was another great moment where they really were comfortable spending time in that moment, which was just really great.
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Yeah.
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But...
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And wasn't it also interesting, side note, how they were okay, how they portrayed animal peril kind of accurately, especially in the first half.
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They were very comfortable with death.
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Yes.
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Which I appreciate.
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That was very interesting.
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Like... Kids' movies need to be more comfortable with death in general.
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You think so?
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Yes.
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I think kids are fine to learn about death from an early age, personally.
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Yeah.
00:32:43
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That's a controversial opinion.
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But I don't know.
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I think kids can handle a lot more than adults...
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Yeah.
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Sometimes give them credit for when it comes to themes.
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So, but I appreciated that.
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I was like, even made jokes about it too.
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I know.
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It was, they had like dark humor with like, yeah, we, we die out here in the wild.
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That's just how it is.
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Yep.
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Everybody's hanging out in this house together and you're like, in five minutes, they're going to be killing each other.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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At that point and kind of towards the end, some of the cartoon logic kind of had to take over.
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But anyway.
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Hang on.
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Cartoon logic or eschatological logic?
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Go on.
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Because, what is it, in Isaiah, where the lion and the lamb will sleep together.
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Right.
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That happened.
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There was good shades of that.
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I'm like, I'm like watching this and I'm like, this is just going to be what eternity is like.
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That's true.
00:33:42
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I'm going to get to hang out with Mark Hamill as a bear.
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Yeah.
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I'm excited about that.
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Yeah.
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God, if I don't get up to the heavens or new earth, that fits my theology a little better, and don't hear a bear sounding exactly like Mark Hamill doing a weird voice.
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He was a good bear.
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He was a good bear.
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He's just a great actor.
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Yeah.
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He just pops up in all kinds of things.
00:34:05
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Anyway, so these geese died.
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So these geese died.
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But there's an egg left.
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And it becomes the robot's task to basically raise this little gosling.
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He's so cute to be able to leave the island to eat, swim, and fly away.
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So that was its task.
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And so she kind of became a mother figure.
00:34:29
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But it was interesting, though, because she's just programmed to get the job done and stuff like that.
00:34:33
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But she was learning that...
00:34:36
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my programming is insufficient to do this mothering stuff because it's just i don't know what to do it's all murky yeah there's like no road map for this and so you come to find out that's the murkiness
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Murkiness?
00:34:51
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Murkiness is arising as a common theme in our discussion.
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Okay.
00:34:54
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And maybe in our next discussion.
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Good.
00:34:57
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Sorry, I'm interrupting you.
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But it was interesting where she said that she had to overwrite her code in order to take care of this child, to actually complete the task.
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And it was my wife, Ellie, who thought that was a really interesting thing.
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concept of of going against your hardwired codes to do the greater good because i think like you might agree in culture we're told a lot to live live your live your truth live um what you are like including like
00:35:41
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Just your background caused you to have these problems and stuff like that.
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But sometimes we just have to overwrite our code to do the good thing to take care of people.
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No, I was very struck by that.
00:35:56
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Because, yeah, we are very – I think our culture has tended to be very, this is your nature, you have to stick to it.
00:36:02
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I've definitely seen parts of our culture where it's like –
00:36:05
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trying to move away from, I mean, a lot of like the counseling stuff, there's, there's one side of it.
00:36:09
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That's just like embrace completely who you are and cut out anybody who's like going against that.
00:36:14
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But I think probably the less loud, but more mainstream is we want to improve ourselves so we can be better for the people we love.
00:36:23
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Um, you know, and a lot of that sort of same things, like whenever I'm going counseling, that's what I'm working through.
00:36:28
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I'm doing that now leading up to the baby of like, there's things in me that are, um,
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you know, either struggles I have or things I'm concerned about or things that could be bad and that I'm like, I want to work through this by the time I have this child to be care of or for my wife or for, you know, the rest of my family.
00:36:47
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Um,
00:36:48
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But it's like there's this mini law inside you because of your background that may make you feel, have a proclivity to something that you don't like.
00:36:58
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But there's a greater law that you've surrendered yourself to that you're striving to overcome the lesser law.
00:37:08
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Yeah.
00:37:09
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And it does take work and effort.
00:37:12
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But then also we have Christ helping us in that.
00:37:14
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It helps.
00:37:16
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Yeah, there is an effort there.
00:37:17
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Yeah, I found that theme very interesting.
Exploring Parenthood in Film
00:37:20
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It was interesting watching it because I'm not a parent yet, but now I'm about to be a parent.
00:37:25
Speaker
And so I think this was the first time watching a movie.
00:37:29
Speaker
that I was like, hmm, it feels like the character in this scenario that I would most identify with is the mom.
00:37:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:37
Speaker
But I'm not quite there yet, so I didn't quite find myself identifying perfectly the characters, which was weird.
00:37:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah, you will more and more.
00:37:45
Speaker
I'm sure.
00:37:46
Speaker
There's no, like, rule book of how to do this.
00:37:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:53
Speaker
Yeah, it was...
00:37:55
Speaker
I don't know, it was a weird, it was weird, I guess, for that reason, because I was like, it feels like I'm on the verge of like really being in all this.
00:38:02
Speaker
But right now I'm more just watching it and I'm intellectually like, yes, I know that this is all the things that are coming.
00:38:08
Speaker
I mean, I got, I was invested and I got emotional and like, like a single, a single tear came out.
00:38:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:16
Speaker
A couple of times.
00:38:16
Speaker
Wow.
00:38:17
Speaker
There's probably like three or four tears.
00:38:19
Speaker
Some of that was the music.
00:38:20
Speaker
I loved the music.
00:38:21
Speaker
Um, yeah.
00:38:23
Speaker
I don't know.
00:38:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:24
Speaker
I mean, I guess maybe I just, I think I expected the parent theme to resonate with me or just hit me deeper, maybe more than it did.
00:38:34
Speaker
And maybe I'm just tired.
00:38:35
Speaker
I mean, we did do a double feature, so that could also be part of it.
00:38:39
Speaker
But yeah, I don't like it.
00:38:40
Speaker
Like it did hit me.
00:38:41
Speaker
It was great.
00:38:41
Speaker
I want to watch it again.
00:38:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:44
Speaker
I don't know.
00:38:44
Speaker
I expected to be a bit more.
00:38:47
Speaker
That's okay.
00:38:47
Speaker
But that's more my own expectation than the movie itself.
00:38:50
Speaker
I thought it portrayed it really wonderfully.
00:38:52
Speaker
I loved... This is another commonality, I think, between both of the movies we're talking about in those next couple episodes.
00:38:59
Speaker
But I think it portrayed something that is not usually portrayed in a positive light, in a very positive light.
00:39:04
Speaker
What's that?
00:39:05
Speaker
Which is parenthood.
00:39:06
Speaker
I don't think...
00:39:11
Speaker
It's not that our culture doesn't value parenthood.
00:39:14
Speaker
I think it does, but I don't think it talks about valuing it and treating it as a good thing as much as it should.
00:39:22
Speaker
Even though I think maybe it means it that much.
00:39:24
Speaker
I think our culture and people in the world do value it that much.
00:39:29
Speaker
I think that this kind of let us be able to show a parent that wasn't perfect.
00:39:35
Speaker
Like some of our parents, maybe all of our parents were perfect.
00:39:40
Speaker
But it lets you like see that parent through eyes of grace.
00:39:45
Speaker
Right.
00:39:46
Speaker
And still overall being like a positive good thing.
00:39:52
Speaker
It was, it was, this was, this was, I think what struck me is it wasn't just good for her child.
00:39:58
Speaker
It was good for her.
00:39:59
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:40:00
Speaker
That, that I think was more of the thing that struck me of a lot of times, like you'll hear about like, oh, you're not going to know a love like that before or something like that.
00:40:07
Speaker
But usually it's just this sort of.
00:40:13
Speaker
portrait of how much this is going to destroy your life and rob you of like happiness and freedom and all of that right which i mean the movie joked about at certain points yeah yeah i mean i assume i i'm not speaking from experience i'm speaking from like secondhand experiencing friends like there is limits that get placed around that and
00:40:32
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some responsibilities that are there obviously that can weigh heavy but it's it's still a good thing right and so i really enjoyed that it was it was worth making yeah and so i really enjoyed and also you don't know i don't and i think this is true you don't necessarily have to sacrifice who you are in order to be a parent and i think the movie did that quite well where ross is certainly a parent and um
00:40:59
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Doing overall, I would say, a good job at being a parent, even though she has her failings at points, but also is still very much who she is and has the opportunity to go on her own journey of self-discovery, to do her own, do work outside of just being a parent.
00:41:18
Speaker
But she can also still fulfill and be a parent 100%.
00:41:20
Speaker
Right.
00:41:20
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:24
Speaker
but doesn't have to sacrifice everything else for that.
00:41:28
Speaker
Like, I feel like the world paints it as it's all or nothing.
00:41:30
Speaker
When you get a kid, that's everything.
00:41:33
Speaker
And not in a beautiful way, but in a, well, your life's over way.
00:41:37
Speaker
Right.
00:41:38
Speaker
You know?
00:41:38
Speaker
Right.
00:41:39
Speaker
It is.
00:41:40
Speaker
And it is like a top priority.
00:41:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:43
Speaker
Because it's like, it's a part, the, the part of you that will be a parent is a real part of you.
00:41:51
Speaker
That's just waiting to be unlocked.
00:41:53
Speaker
Mm hmm.
00:41:54
Speaker
That's going to open up a new room in the house of your life, as it were.
00:42:00
Speaker
And so your life will be...
00:42:02
Speaker
You can have maybe more focus times in these rooms like where you grew up doing your thing.
00:42:07
Speaker
But it's a smaller world.
00:42:10
Speaker
And this other part of you is just as much you and deserves to be unlocked and given great life and growth.
00:42:20
Speaker
And it's just, of course, one of those things that just takes a lot of sacrifice and dying to self.
00:42:28
Speaker
And that is like...
00:42:30
Speaker
That's a great recipe for sanctification there.
00:42:32
Speaker
Yes.
00:42:33
Speaker
But those rooms also are still rooms of the same house.
00:42:36
Speaker
It's not like you're moving to a new house that is, well, now I'm the parent house.
00:42:40
Speaker
Right.
00:42:40
Speaker
I assume.
00:42:41
Speaker
Maybe in six months I'll come back and be like, I was all wrong!
00:42:45
Speaker
I'm ending this podcast.
00:42:47
Speaker
I was wrong.
00:42:47
Speaker
Everything's ending.
00:42:49
Speaker
No, no.
00:42:49
Speaker
Because if God made good things in you that are in those other rooms, he doesn't just jettison that creation.
00:42:58
Speaker
And I love that.
00:42:58
Speaker
Like, Roz is a parent.
00:43:00
Speaker
But Roz also has all these other good things.
00:43:02
Speaker
She is like a hospitable parent.
00:43:08
Speaker
force and like a sort of heroic savior type for these people here and like a unifying force for these animals on this island.
00:43:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:20
Speaker
And eventually goes off and is, well, this is a big spoiler.
00:43:22
Speaker
This is the very, very end.
00:43:24
Speaker
But, like, goes off and is like, I think I have a mission now to this dystopian humanity.
00:43:29
Speaker
And to reach them, too.
00:43:30
Speaker
And so she is embracing entirely who she was made to be, which also includes being a parent, which she embraces fully.
00:43:36
Speaker
And which can, like, be part of that is letting go of your kids.
00:43:40
Speaker
That's true.
00:43:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:43
Speaker
What did you think of the whole...
00:43:46
Speaker
like that the heart being the like the center of the person that like no one can like get at and destroy yeah i mean i don't know that that part seemed more basic to me i guess it didn't prod my thoughts a whole lot
00:44:03
Speaker
Yeah, I think that was interesting to me because I think that could have felt really kind of cliche.
00:44:11
Speaker
And that, oh, yes, it's just all heart and love and stuff.
00:44:15
Speaker
And the heart is some mystical kind of thing.
00:44:18
Speaker
But it kind of made me think...
00:44:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think maybe the heart and love is some kind of mystical thing.
00:44:24
Speaker
Okay, yes.
00:44:25
Speaker
In that sense, yeah, I do agree.
00:44:27
Speaker
Yes, I think that could definitely have been very cliche.
00:44:30
Speaker
I was struck by how well this sort of mysterious emotional side worked with this robot and that we did just buy it.
00:44:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:37
Speaker
If you're a real grump, you probably can get annoyed.
00:44:41
Speaker
Right.
00:44:41
Speaker
And there's no circuitry for that.
00:44:43
Speaker
Right.
00:44:44
Speaker
How does she remember him when our memory is wiped?
00:44:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:47
Speaker
You know, but I think it's probably probably some of that like hyper real stuff we were talking about, too.
00:44:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:54
Speaker
It just, it just let, it sets up the story in such a way that it can just embrace the mystery of that.
00:45:00
Speaker
And we know stories about this of people with dementia who can still connect with something in their past and in their heart with like people that they love, even if they don't know, remember exactly who they are.
00:45:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:14
Speaker
No, I thought, I thought it was well done.
00:45:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:16
Speaker
Um,
00:45:17
Speaker
it didn't prod new thoughts, but I thought it was very well done.
00:45:20
Speaker
And I was impressed with how well that type of plot worked in this setting where you easily could have screwed it up, you know, or done it not super amazingly.
00:45:30
Speaker
Like there's a movie Bicentennial Man with Robin Williams, which I have a soft spot for, but it's kind of just, it's kind of at these, a lot of these same ideas of like emotion with, and like sci-fi ideas that is of like emotion with robots and are they human and stuff?
00:45:44
Speaker
Well, I mean,
00:45:46
Speaker
Are robots, human or not, is like a classic sci-fi thing for ages, you know?
00:45:51
Speaker
And so there's more examples of it being done badly than there are of it being done good.
00:45:58
Speaker
So it's very easy to mess up the, like...
00:46:02
Speaker
robots getting emotions plot line and either make it too heavy-handed or make it not make sense yeah i thought this was like clearly we're not too concerned about the sci-fi of it this robot is just a metaphor for a mother right and that just worked with it yeah um yeah i thought it i thought it worked really beautifully together
00:46:23
Speaker
I thought it was interesting how, to me, you were in this harsh nature world.
00:46:29
Speaker
But the scariest part was when the sterile, dystopian human world manifested by these robots came.
00:46:40
Speaker
That was the scariest part.
00:46:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:41
Speaker
Which I think probably resonates with a lot of...
00:46:46
Speaker
cultural fears i suppose we have of the moment you know i mean there's there's all the questions around global warming or an economic crisis with which which whether or not you believe in in that um i don't believe in economics you don't no well shoot sorry give me your money it'll be fine oh dang it um i guess that was supply and demand wasn't it
00:47:11
Speaker
What do you mean?
00:47:12
Speaker
Because I demanded your money and there would have been a supply of your money, but then there was no supply of your money.
00:47:16
Speaker
There's no supply.
00:47:18
Speaker
You're seeing economics right before you, Nate.
00:47:20
Speaker
Believe.
00:47:22
Speaker
Believe.
00:47:23
Speaker
But I think there are a lot of cultural fears of, are we destroying our planet for this horrible dystopian world?
00:47:28
Speaker
And then, of course, fears of the AI.
00:47:34
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:47:34
Speaker
AI, too.
00:47:35
Speaker
It terrifies me.
00:47:36
Speaker
And very much like...
00:47:41
Speaker
It's inferred that like that.
00:47:43
Speaker
Bless you.
00:47:43
Speaker
Thank you.
00:47:44
Speaker
I'm just going to die.
00:47:45
Speaker
That's why we got Nate on.
00:47:47
Speaker
I'm the transitional.
00:47:49
Speaker
This is the transition.
00:47:50
Speaker
I die.
00:47:53
Speaker
But it was inferred that in this human world, these robots take care of so much of your needs.
00:47:58
Speaker
But it was very much of a... You got the idea of a government or system that can take care of you can so easily take you out, too.
00:48:09
Speaker
Yeah, which I... Yeah, it's... And that thematically is interesting for me on a theological level.
00:48:16
Speaker
Because...
00:48:20
Speaker
I'm going to die.
00:48:21
Speaker
Oh, gosh.
00:48:22
Speaker
I'm going to die or get the hiccups.
00:48:26
Speaker
We'll see which one comes first.
00:48:27
Speaker
It would be funny if you died, then you got the hiccups.
00:48:35
Speaker
Gives me vibes of Gimli.
00:48:36
Speaker
He's twitching because he's got my eyes embedded in his nervous system.
00:48:42
Speaker
Because in one sense...
00:48:44
Speaker
There is this great governing force that does provide for all of our needs, you know, and that's God.
00:48:51
Speaker
But then on another sense.
00:48:53
Speaker
We can trust him, though.
00:48:54
Speaker
We can trust him.
00:48:55
Speaker
That's true.
00:48:55
Speaker
That's great.
00:48:56
Speaker
Because he's not.
00:48:56
Speaker
Well, he is fully human, but he's also fully God, which helps.
00:48:59
Speaker
True.
00:49:00
Speaker
I'm sorry for the unpleasant listening experience of me with hiccups.
00:49:04
Speaker
You're good.
00:49:06
Speaker
Excuse me.
00:49:09
Speaker
So in one sense, it's like, oh, that is kind of what we're looking forward to eventually is a great city coming down with God ruling it forever and it will be perfect.
00:49:17
Speaker
Right.
00:49:18
Speaker
But also in another sense, he built us.
00:49:22
Speaker
He built us to be in symbiosis for lack of a better word.
00:49:26
Speaker
No, maybe that is the right word.
00:49:28
Speaker
For lack of no better word.
00:49:30
Speaker
For lack of no better word, because this is what I mean to say.
00:49:35
Speaker
He built us to be in symbiosis with creation, and we are given dominion over it, but I think...
00:49:41
Speaker
Now I could get into a big theological thing, but really leadership in scripture usually denotes stewardship and serving that thing to help it reach its fullest potential and be healthy.
00:49:53
Speaker
And that does come with some authority, but mostly it comes with responsibility.
00:49:59
Speaker
But also in doing that, in function... Well, guess what word you're going to say.
00:50:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:08
Speaker
Comment down below what you think the heck this sentence was, because who knows?
00:50:12
Speaker
Let us know.
00:50:13
Speaker
Oh, gosh.
00:50:15
Speaker
In functioning that way, which I think currently in our modern world we are not.
Mental Health and Modern Society
00:50:21
Speaker
You could probably argue that we haven't been for however long, but I think we've worked better with our planet and creation around us in other times.
00:50:33
Speaker
In doing that, much of our needs are met both...
00:50:38
Speaker
emotionally and spiritually even as god is sort of ordaining it you know i do think there is something to the society we've built in america and then looking at the depression rates and being like well why is that we do have a society where a lot of our needs are met where it's very modern where we have very much taken control of yeah the earth yeah um
00:51:02
Speaker
I think to too much of a degree personally, but that's my personal stance.
00:51:07
Speaker
Whereas you can go to some tribes in Africa and they're not depressed at all.
00:51:11
Speaker
Right.
00:51:11
Speaker
They're just working to live.
00:51:13
Speaker
Right.
00:51:13
Speaker
Which sounds hard, but they're not depressed.
00:51:15
Speaker
But they're not depressed, right.
00:51:17
Speaker
And there's give and take.
00:51:18
Speaker
We can be creating this podcast and having these conversations and creating beautiful theater.
00:51:24
Speaker
I like that.
00:51:25
Speaker
I like that a lot too.
00:51:26
Speaker
Yeah, man.
00:51:27
Speaker
I think God planted me here and not in a tribe in Africa for a reason.
00:51:30
Speaker
Don't...
00:51:31
Speaker
Don't ruin his plan.
00:51:33
Speaker
Stay here.
00:51:34
Speaker
No, I've got to go be a missionary.
00:51:35
Speaker
It's the only way I can be of use to the church.
00:51:39
Speaker
But... Oh, what was I even saying anymore?
00:51:42
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know.
00:51:44
Speaker
I think there's a both and to that.
00:51:46
Speaker
But I think right now in America...
00:51:50
Speaker
the bad part that we are seeing is that we have tried to over control the earth and take God's position of governing our circumstances.
00:52:01
Speaker
And I think people, Christian or not, are waking up to that and are like, Oh, we kind of have created a terrifying situation for ourselves.
00:52:10
Speaker
We just get to see it play out.
00:52:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:13
Speaker
God of the system kind of in the environment.
00:52:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:17
Speaker
Which is probably why we're seeing so much post-apocalyptic fiction.
00:52:21
Speaker
This is not the first terrifying post-apocalyptic thing.
00:52:24
Speaker
Yeah, what if this God be created dies?
00:52:27
Speaker
Right.
00:52:27
Speaker
And, I mean, you've got Hunger Games, too, where it's like... There's just so much... Yeah.
00:52:37
Speaker
There's... Excuse me.
00:52:39
Speaker
So many...
00:52:41
Speaker
stories in this vein of like we've created this system that we are so reliant on now that rules our life and this is for as as best we know the only things that we can rely on um what happens if that crumbles or you could get into like sci-fi like dune where it's like what happens if that's a horrible system that is doing terrible things you know um or ender's game is similar to that too um
00:53:08
Speaker
Whereas we see in the Bible, we see God putting systems in place for us to rely on him.
00:53:16
Speaker
Right.
00:53:16
Speaker
He puts the Sabbath.
00:53:17
Speaker
So don't work.
00:53:18
Speaker
You're just going to trust me to take care of you today.
00:53:21
Speaker
Or like the year of Jubilee kind of thing.
00:53:24
Speaker
Or was it not?
00:53:28
Speaker
I'm thinking of like when they came into the land and they just kind of let it.
00:53:34
Speaker
let it like be for like a year.
00:53:36
Speaker
It's every seven years.
00:53:37
Speaker
They would just let it rest.
00:53:38
Speaker
There you go.
00:53:39
Speaker
I don't, I think the year of Jubilee was a rare, rarer thing.
00:53:43
Speaker
If I'm remembering right, I think something.
00:53:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:46
Speaker
50 or 60.
00:53:46
Speaker
I believe, um, I have a degree in ministry leadership.
00:53:50
Speaker
I should know these things.
00:53:52
Speaker
Um,
00:53:54
Speaker
But yeah, that idea of, you don't need to work the land to its utmost because you're going to trust me.
00:54:01
Speaker
Right.
00:54:02
Speaker
I'm going to take care of you.
00:54:03
Speaker
And that's...
00:54:05
Speaker
We were talking off air about the story of Joseph and the economic system in Joseph.
00:54:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:12
Speaker
Off air.
00:54:12
Speaker
We were talking off air the other day.
00:54:14
Speaker
Excuse me.
00:54:16
Speaker
We're making them think we're friends off air.
00:54:18
Speaker
People like that.
00:54:19
Speaker
They do like that.
00:54:20
Speaker
I can't wait to get out of here.
00:54:22
Speaker
I don't like you.
00:54:24
Speaker
All right.
00:54:25
Speaker
Normal voice, lovely.
00:54:26
Speaker
Yes.
00:54:26
Speaker
The other day we were hanging out.
00:54:29
Speaker
Yes, as friends do.
00:54:31
Speaker
We were talking about how Joseph basically institutes socialism in Egypt.
00:54:36
Speaker
And my stance on that was a little more positive than your stance on that.
00:54:41
Speaker
But that was a weird thing for me to read and see socialism in the Bible, not just blow everything up because I'm not very pro-socialist.
00:54:50
Speaker
Still, I don't think it's a great economic system.
00:54:54
Speaker
But I think the bigger issue is, are you relying on the system or are you relying on God?
00:54:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's a bigger thing.
00:55:01
Speaker
Because I think even over-reliance... Well, I mean, we're in a capitalist society.
00:55:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:05
Speaker
So we can see how an over-reliance on capitalism can harm things.
00:55:08
Speaker
We can also see in many other countries where over-reliance on communism or socialism or... Yeah.
00:55:12
Speaker
All these different economic systems crumble down and it's really more, is this system submitted to God?
00:55:20
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:20
Speaker
And is he the authority of that?
00:55:22
Speaker
Because imagine if God was just like, hey, I'm just going to give you bread every day.
00:55:27
Speaker
And you don't have to work for bread.
00:55:28
Speaker
That seems fine if it's God.
00:55:31
Speaker
Once it's the government, it's a little more scary.
00:55:33
Speaker
But once God is like, hey, I have these people and they're going to give you bread every day.
00:55:37
Speaker
I'm like, sign me up.
00:55:38
Speaker
I love bread so much.
00:55:40
Speaker
That would work great for you.
00:55:41
Speaker
Is communion just socialism?
00:55:43
Speaker
Whoa.
00:55:45
Speaker
Got grape juice.
00:55:45
Speaker
It does.
00:55:47
Speaker
Or wine.
00:55:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:49
Speaker
But there are bread lines.
00:55:51
Speaker
There are.
00:55:51
Speaker
Christ lines.
00:55:57
Speaker
Like Revolution.
00:55:58
Speaker
Revolution.
00:55:59
Speaker
I don't remember that.
00:56:00
Speaker
The Book of Revolution.
00:56:01
Speaker
Is that in the new American Bible?
00:56:04
Speaker
American flag on the cover.
00:56:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:08
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The Book of Revelation and how.
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There's, like, these judgments and stuff that come against, like, greedy and warnings against, like, greedy lands, greedy countries and stuff.
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And it's like, we don't want to be that.
00:56:23
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Yeah.
00:56:24
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We could, might be that.
00:56:26
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It's interesting.
00:56:27
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Yeah.
00:56:28
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A lot of times reading Revelation, I'm like, are we the bad guys?
00:56:31
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Are we the baddies?
00:56:33
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Which I've had that thought outside of reading Revelation as well.
00:56:36
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But...
00:56:38
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Yeah, I think reading scripture a lot of times I'm like, we, boy, we're really poised to be an empire here.
00:56:43
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We probably are an empire, just not in so many words.
00:56:46
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Yeah.
00:56:47
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But yeah, no, I thought that was an interesting dichotomy in the film, though, seeing the system that hasn't worked.
00:56:55
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I mean, as far as people know, it's worked, but they don't know that it's broken, you know, and that it's destroying their lives.
00:57:01
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And then you see sort of, probably unintentionally, I don't know, maybe the filmmakers intended this and are secretly Christian, but this sort of beautiful essence.
00:57:11
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unity even in the face of all this danger on this island that crosses these barriers and brings together all these different people that should be murdering each other and yet they come together and form this beautiful right and kingdom
00:57:27
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They're going to eventually have to eat each other, though, right?
00:57:30
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No, it's eschatological, Nate.
00:57:31
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Embrace the hope and the joy.
00:57:34
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Don't need to get cynical.
00:57:36
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Did their digestive tracts change so the bears can eat grass?
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Maybe.
00:57:41
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Wow.
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God can do that.
00:57:43
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He can do that.
00:57:43
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Yeah.
00:57:44
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Wow.
00:57:44
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Pretty good.
00:57:46
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So that was The Wild Robot.
00:57:47
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Yeah.
00:57:48
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That was good.
00:57:49
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It was a good movie.
00:57:50
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I really liked that.
00:57:51
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Send it to your friends.
00:57:52
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Send it to your friends.
00:57:55
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tell them to sign up for Peacock, the streaming service that probably nobody has.
00:57:59
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It's pretty good.
00:58:00
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It is a surprisingly good streaming service.
00:58:04
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It was really bad motto when they launched it.
00:58:08
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Peacock was a little bit of the laughing stock of the streaming service.
00:58:13
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I think it's getting on its feet.
00:58:14
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I'm liking it.
00:58:16
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But yes, check out the Wild Robot.
00:58:17
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It was lovely.
00:58:18
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Yeah, beautiful.
00:58:20
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That's our recommended resource.
00:58:21
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I don't know if we're going to have recommended...
00:58:23
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did resources when it's just you and me because they'll get tired of me saying the same thing every week i know i'm like yeah you don't need to hear me talk about meisner or andrew peterson or the book of common prayer that much you already hear about it i could take a turn i could talk about the book of common talk about the book of common prayer i've never read it oh you should read it i could make it up hey if there's such beautiful prayers in the book sounds like it i should lend you one
00:58:46
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Yeah.
00:58:47
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Let's do it.
00:58:47
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Cool.
00:58:48
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Okay, sweet.
00:58:49
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Thank you guys for joining us.
00:58:52
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If you have feedback about this new co-hosting thing or this like model.
00:58:57
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Angry comments.
00:58:58
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Angry comments.
00:58:59
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Tell us how much you hate me and want Nate to host exclusively.
00:59:03
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That's not what I was expecting.
00:59:07
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But yes, let us know if you're liking it.
00:59:09
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Thank you guys for listening.
00:59:10
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Again, I'm just always so... Looking at you, Jeff.
00:59:13
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So grateful.
00:59:13
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Is there a Jeff that listens?
00:59:15
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I don't know.
00:59:15
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Might be.
00:59:16
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There could be somewhere.
00:59:17
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But yes, I'm just so appreciative of you guys and this cool community that is Artists of the Way and the audience that tunes in.
00:59:25
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So thank you guys.
00:59:27
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And God bless and have a great week.