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Ep. 200 – “What Distilling My Urine Taught Me About Spiritual Healing” by the Reverend Bear Grylls
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This week Jeremiah joins us to discuss Phase 1 of The Chosen-Verse, the slightly-ambitious-but-mostly-just-puzzling expansion of the critically acclaimed tv series, The Chosen. We also touch on Sam’s visceral hatred for the bands you like and the glee he feels when someone ruins their life, Christian rock gods Skillet’s new song “All That Matters,” and the controversy surrounding Linkin Park’s new vocalist, Emily Armstrong. Enjoy, and have a nice week, friends!
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Milestone
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is everything my face my family
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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. I'm Casey. I'm Jeremiah. And I started losing my voice a little bit this weekend. So when I start talking low, I get that vocal fry sound. So that's going to be annoying. Yeah. Maybe you won't ramble on for like five minutes at a time. Yeah. You'd love that wouldn't you? You bitch.
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i So I'm going to project. I'm going to lean far back and hopefully it doesn't sound projected for a long time. You love it. when ah you Okay. We're starting off.
00:01:33
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early sparring last week last week I didn't do anything really my kindness was rewarded by you just attacking me immediately when we hopped on the call tonight so I feel like I don't think I did that You did. You came out out of the gates pretty hard. i yeah i'm ah Like you've been thinking of what you're gonna say to Jeremiah like in your car every day on the way. Jeremiah has a right to protect himself. Jeremiah has a right to protect himself, alright? What? I don't even know what I... What was the first thing I said?
00:02:07
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I don't even remember. You don't even know. That's the thing. It's just anger. It's just, does that make it's fast does it make you proud? I'm just an angry, angry man. Uh, I, I dunked on, you made a joke, you made a comment about under oath and I dunked on that, but just sparingly, like this that was, was that it? Is that the thing that hurt you so much?
00:02:29
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No, no, no. I think you said something way earlier than that. That was you just, you know, just sticking the knife in a little bit more, just so I know you still have it. Okay. Okay. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I feel like that's kind of a coping mechanism for abuse victims. I would like to be able to remember, but I kind of blacked out after that. You have to block it out. yeah
00:02:53
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Well, how's everybody doing? Good. Happy episode 200, everybody. Yeah. Holy shit. We, this is as big as it gets. We had, we're like, Casey and I didn't even know it was episode 200. Jeremiah's like, guys, episode 200. And we're like, no, 199. I said we have one more left. He's like, it's not. i I was mostly just disappointed for you that I'm the best you could do. But then I found out that you hadn't planned for it at all. So I guess I feel better.
00:03:23
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We're just a bunch of we're just casual guys, you know, what could we do? I mean, I can't say anything on fire. We don't live near each other. None of us can't do something cool like that. ah We could have gotten together and played all our favorite youth group games. Mm hmm. Like somebody has to. Tie like, no, like the Kleenex box with a ping pong ball in it, you know, and you like tied it to your waistband. You had to jump around trying to knock the ball out. I know. No. All right.
00:03:52
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Not that one. What about what about having to drink a Mountain Dew through someone's used sock? Fuck
Youth Group and Camp Antics
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dude, that's a your your youth pastor had a lot of strange fetishes. I'm telling you, we got to do an episode about this. at time I feel like for a while, for a brief period of time in the mid aughts before the insurance companies like turned into a thing, we had some sick youth camps like we we got up to some stuff to find sick like like made you physically. Yeah, like.
00:04:18
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Uh, definitely like lasting trauma in a large number. I got a, I got a concussion. Actually that's kind of true. I got my first severe concussion. Um, people, you know, permanent injuries, uh, not being allowed to go back to a certain venue and use it anymore. Um, you know, multiple kids leaving, like, I don't know. Good Christian fun. Yeah, it was a great time. Like I do.
00:04:43
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We did a, we had a fear factor one time at my little Christian school. Of course, every, every, yeah did they do a survivor one too at some point? No, I don't think, you know, people dress too scantily on survivor. I don't know if we were allowed to watch that. Oh, but we'd rather watch fear factor where it's like, you're going to eat these bull testicles. That's good. I do believe fear factor found a way to put hot ladies in bikinis in just about every episode though.
00:05:08
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Yeah, probably. Papa Rogi's was hosting. Yeah, yeah. Papa Rogi's. the it was all the sorry no the first The first thing was always like cool. Like everyone would want to do that. Like you're going to jump by this helicopter into the water or like, but I feel like 90% of the time. The first fear factor game was like, no, that's sick. I would like to try that. And they just get you into this. Like, Oh, I could do it. Like, I think that's how they rope you into being eating something gross. Yeah. That's the word that's like.
00:05:45
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Oh, can you keep your feet in this bucket of worms? Yeah, I mean, it's no big deal. It's the spider and like scorpion shit that was like awful. Like when they're like, we're going to put you in this box and we're going to just let we're going to drop in a bunch of giant spiders and they're going to crawl on your face and put their legs in your mouth and up your nose and in your eyes. that which fuck I mean, we all know I can hold a locust in my hand without screaming like a bitch. So
00:06:15
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Your weak liberal hands. I could never eat gross things. Like as a kid, I just freaked myself out about it too much. So I remember like, I didn't make it past the first round. Cause it was like, they just ground up all this disgusting, like lunch meat and different, you know, Oh, they made those share a mayo and blah, blah, blah. They basically made like old lady salad. And then you you had to eat it.
00:06:39
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But I do remember my buddy Caleb had to eat an onion, like apple style, which is, that's pretty good. I've done that. i've done that It's awful. That's bad. I had to do it on video once as a youth counselor, like as a a dare for something or, you know, youth counselor dare stuff.
00:06:56
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um As a counselor, I think I had one of my legs, like a chunk of it waxed in front of the kids. I drank like half a bottle of Worcestershire sauce, which I found out later is a potentially like very dangerous amount of sodium. I did not know that going in. um I will also eat an apple or eat an onion. Worcestershire. I don't know how to pronounce it. Worcestershire. I don't have the same answer.
00:07:20
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That's ah that's a little thing for us friends in Massachusetts because we live outside of Worcester Ah, okay. Wooster. People. Oh, people. A War Kester. War Sester. I don't know why people say War Sester. It doesn't look like that. Because it's spelled dumb. It's but it doesn't have that spelling it. War Kester, War Sester. Those make sense. Wooster doesn't make sense. But um adding the extra S for War Kester is that's a kind of an annoyance for people. Yeah. When everybody has like a triangular jaw shape and a webbed tongue and says like,
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Ah, pass me the one you tried for my crab sandwich. I have herpes. My crab sandwich. I don't know. At least we weren't filtering Mountain Dew through fungal socks. That's. Yeah. How did that? What was the what was the game of that? Just like how long can you chorg somebody's Mountain Dew sock? So the most successful youth camp, like, you know how most youth camps? Well, I guess maybe we had very different youth camps seems it. They did an incredibly good job somehow of getting everyone bought in on the idea of a team competition this one year.
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Um, and it wasn't just our church. Our church was hosting, but it was like four or five churches. Our, our youth group was the biggest, but I think total, it was close to 200 kids. Like it was a pretty serious amount of people. That's good. side yeah They had us all divided up into teams, not just by church either. So like you're with a bunch of you know random people, but your team is like 40 people. I mean, it's enough that like, you've got people who can do any sort of challenge. You've got kids who can do athletic stuff. You have the weird homeschooled kid who will eat anything that's put in front of them, whatever.
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but they got people bought in on the idea of like these points really, really matter. Spoiler, of course they didn't. The youth counselors did not think it would go as far as it did. They didn't have a plan at the end of this. um But it was one of those where you just invite people up on stage and it's like right now for 5,000 points for your team, will you drink this warm Mountain Dew through a sock? And like you get a bunch of teenage boys up there and of course they're like,
00:09:23
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Yeah. Yeah. Like i I have to do this and they're gagging and and coughing and hacking and like at least one of them is going to drink a significant chunk of that Mountain Dew. Like they just, they also woke people. This is going to be a much longer story. I can't really get into. They'd wake people up in the middle of the night, like walk into their room, put a hand over their mouth with a video camera and be like, come with us right now. If you want to earn 20,000 points for your team.
00:09:45
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and then they just hate and they just ah just abused kids. Can I tell a story? Yes. like I could tell stories about this one youth camp for probably like 10 episodes, but they had everyone bought into this. So they would do a thing where they would just sometimes bust into people's room and like play really loud music. Like one night we had the worship band, like they put drums on a cart and push them into people's room with a guitar amp and just started an impromptu worship service in their room at one in the morning. And that's just funny. Like they would edit it and then you'd watch it like at the morning service the next day and everybody laughs at like who's waking up looking scared or whatever, but they did this one. They were like, come with us right now. If you want to earn a bunch of points for your team. So they bring them out. And do you remember old video cameras that had like the night vision?
00:10:34
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thing on it that actually went like decently well. Yeah. So this is that era. So they had this and they put these kids on this golf cart and they're riding them around um and they're explaining to him like, Hey, we're going to take you out. We're going to do this thing. Got it. Like they're just making up some story. and These kids are like, they're, they're half asleep. They're like, what am I? Okay. What am I doing?
00:10:53
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And so they they're like, oh, shoot, I got to go. Hold on. I'll be right back. And so they just drop the kid off. It turns out like in the middle of the woods, but it's the middle of the night. So the kid doesn't know this. And they're like, here, ah take Mr. Studd. Mr. Studd was a shotgun inflate inflatable man doll that ah was like a mascot for the youth camp for a while. um I don't know if there's not really a good way to describe that he wasn't a sex doll to be clear. Okay, but that was my follow up question. Thank you. for all He just had what he was originally designed for.
00:11:27
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Right. He had molded on underwear and that was it. But so they just leave this kid standing in the middle of the woods holding Mr. Studd. And they're just filming him from like 50 feet away and they just sit there for a bit. And he's just like standing there looking around like, what do I do? What do I do? He just starts crying and masturbating. And then you see a staff- Oh no! This didn't turn out as intended.
00:11:49
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but you see a staffer's face just like poke onto the camera like hello And they start messing with him, like creeping up next to him. And like, he hears the leaves rustle and he's looking around and then like, they take like a leaf and like brush his ear and he freaks out. And so they just tormented him for a while. That's not the thing though. That's just a skit. They came up with on the way to the thing. The thing is they lined a bunch of guys up against a wall and then we're spraying them down with a hose and chucking flour at them and making them like drop and do pushups. Like they were like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, I feel like they were in the Marines or something. Yeah, it's like a delousing before you go to prison. yeah they Then they led them to they blindfolded them and led them all around and then took them into the chapel and had them stand up on a pew and told them like, we've taken you to, you're on the diving board at the pool. If you want to get points for your team, you have to jump blindfolded in the middle of the night.
00:12:42
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And so, and they brought him in like one at a time. And so the first couple of kids are like, Oh man, one kid refuses to do it. Another kid, like he's scared. You ever seen somebody jump off something that's like six inches high? Like they jump in and then they land is like, Oh, and you know, they laugh. And it's like, obviously a joke. One kid swan dived. He just held out his arms, planted, planted off of it. It just smashed into the ground. Um,
00:13:07
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But like that's that's all that every night. It was just like straight up abusing these kids. He's a senator now. yeah Just wake them up and they'd be like, do you want to come with us right now for points? And it got to the point where some people were like, I've been waiting for this. I'm ready. Whatever you're going to do to me, I'm ready. Because they would edit it and play it the next morning in the service. So everybody knew like by the first day, they were like, oh,
00:13:27
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It's going to be that type of thing. And the counselors just escalated. It just kept getting worse and worse and worse because the kids started ramping up to it. Like I'm not saying the kids are all victims here. Like the it was the right group of kids. Like they really just ramped into it. And the counselors did a good job of like the girls challenges were a lot milder, probably because it was female counselors going to wake them up and they weren't quite as sadistic as some of the single 24 year old male counselors.
00:13:53
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Yeah, there's something fucked up about that age group when im I'm guessing a lot of these counselors were still single. Oh, definitely. yeah Yeah, single or dating or dating their girlfriend. They've been dating since they were both 17 and they both gone to the same youth group and they still live in the same town like that type of thing, you know.
00:14:11
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It produces a weird type. It's a dangerous group of people. Yeah, it's a dangerous group. So I i was on the worship band that year. um And so after dinner one night, I went into my room and like things had just gotten rowdy. There had been several like dorm raid style things that people had done and like people's property. He got vandalized and like.
00:14:30
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kids were some kids brought a bunch of baby powder for no good reason because why did teenage boys need baby powder at youth camp and they do this thing they'd run up to someone's room, throw it on the ground with the like stuck under the door and then stomp on it as hard as they could to like blow a bunch of baby powder into the people's room and then they would just run off laughing like they were straight up vandalizing the property of this college we were staying at.
00:14:52
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And so I went to my room like after dinner to grab something and I was going to come out and go to like get ready for sound check. And in the five minutes I was in my room, I think like changing my shirt or something, I come out and a pillow fight has just erupted in the hallway of the boy's dorm. But this is a typical like carpeted floor, cinder block wall, like hall. And it's not like a regular pillow fight like this one guy, a guy who did not go on to have a great career. It has a mattress and is running up and down the hall, just like body checking people with a mattress. Other people are just like nodding up, like they've knotted up jackets and stuff and they're whipping people with them. Like there's pillows, but it's also, it's like grab whatever you have and just beat on each other, you know, good wholesome. All that war at that point. It's kind of like the the bonfire scene in heavyweights. Yes.
00:15:43
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And so I was like, I realize I'm making myself sound like ah just a victim here. I honestly didn't want any part of this. I participated in plenty of other stuff. I was like, this I this is not fun. This seems like I was lame even as a teenager. I was like, this seems like a good way for someone to get hurt. And it was me. I was going down the hallway and this one guy um had put books in a pillowcase and swung it around his head. Christ.
00:16:07
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and hit me in the head and my head bounced off the concrete wall and then I fell across the hall and hit a ah water fountain and then the floor. And it's the only time I've ever like blacked out where like I saw the pillowcase coming and then I was on the ground and people were shaking me and the pillow fight stopped really quickly and everybody was panicking and they went and got the nurse and they stuck me in a room and they were like they sat two guys in there like do not let him fall asleep until the nurse gets here like whatever happens.
00:16:36
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Obviously, I was asleep when the nurse walked in like two minutes later. The guys immediately forgot what they were supposed to do and were just chatting with each other. And I ended up going home ah for the evening. My parents came and picked me up and then they they like checked me out and it seemed like I was fine. So they brought me back the next morning. Apparently a rumor started back.
00:16:54
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Well, I wanted to go back a rumor started that like my skull had been cracked and I had to go to the hospital You know, it's just like stupid kid rumors and so I walked back in into like breakfast the next morning and a bunch of people like stood and clapped when I walked into the dining hall cuz there's a legend They'd like stopped the service to pray for me that night and stuff like the rumors got really out of control like that's what You know, I got it. You got those prayers, dude.
00:17:18
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ah yeah I got a concussion, but like and it has had impacts on my life since then. I'm not trying to like brush it off. like It was bad, but like i was I was not in any danger of dying or anything. I was fine. I'm guessing those impacts have a lot to do with bringing you closer to Jesus Christ.
00:17:33
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Uh, I don't know that they did specifically, I will say though, the guy, the guy who hit me with the pillowcase, um, was stabbed to death a few years ago. Whoa. Unrelated, unrelated. But I feel like I always have to tag that onto the end of the story. Cause I've had too many people ask me like, what happened to that guy? You guys patched it up and like, we never had to be weak with each other. I was just there. Like, and do you have an alibi for that night? I have an alibi dude for that night. I didn't. I didn't live in that town anymore. I'd already moved away by that point, but unfortunately, life was not kind to him after that point, but- Is this like a little town or a big- Yeah, it's a little town, Casey. Are you kidding me? What about this sounds like this is happening somewhere with supervision?
00:18:18
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Well, like he got stabbed to death in a little town. Oh, oh it it wasn't like a random stabbing. It was like um he was hanging out with like his buddy who i like was a weed dealer or whatever and who got an altercation with somebody and he tried to stop them. Like it was that type of thing. It was not a it wasn't like a random stabbing spree. He just lost a knife fight.
00:18:39
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but ah Yeah, you know what? You sell drugs and stuff like, you know, you'd be selling illegal weed. Sooner or later, God's going to cut you down. That's probably true. Did you guys know the average drug dealer kills 500 people in their lifetime? Sam, there's no way. Did you hear Donald Trump say that in an interview? Oh, ah I was like, no way. That's true. No way.
00:19:03
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It's like the average drug dealer kills, kills at least, kills like 500 people in their life. That's great. And then he's like, in and then there's some who are worse. Some, ah some kill even more. I'm like, you I know, I've known so many drug dealers that don't. be average drug The average drug dealer. That's like your neighbor. That's like your high school kid. Just sell weed. The average drug dealer kills 500 people in their life. There's like a a stat he lifted directly from, uh, that like,
00:19:31
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Filipino dictator that was just like sentencing him to death every day Or whatever it was he he I believe that was in a It's possible he mentioned ah death penalty for drug dealers in that same like breath ah He tries out a lot of things. In
Free Speech and Media
00:19:49
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that same response. He does love that. It is funny though because I saw a comment recently on the internet. It was just some Instagram post about like, oh man, like just some Trumpy kid being mad because he thinks liberals are really just trying to come for your free speech and shit. And I'm like, I mean, people cannot like what you say, but that's different than like saying you should go to jail for burning an American flag. And I definitely know at least one person who said that.
00:20:17
Speaker
I mean, yeah, I think we've we've established that the ah people who are the maddest about free speech stuff tend to have a really shaky understanding of what the First Amendment actually does and doesn't. Yeah. But the response is funny because he was like, look, I'm not going to get into it here. You can look it up for yourself. But there's a ton of evidence to show that they're just trying to stop you from being able to say stuff they don't like. Love it when someone encourages you to look it up for yourself. you said That's always a great sign. Yeah. Just do the research, man. Just do the research.
00:20:48
Speaker
500 people dead per drug dealer. That's crazy. We'd have less population issues. you know Both of these geniuses just have like sound bites pouring out, but Trump's definitely winning in that in that regard. he says so He says something dumb every hour. Yeah, he really does. Every like 17 seconds. I think i I've read this news article once a day for the past three weeks. It's like something major must have happened in the Trump camp because he's having a meltdown on Truth Social. It's like, no, I think he's just been having a meltdown on Truth Social. Like, I think we're just still in the same meltdown that started when a black man became president. And I think it's just like that was Trump's Harambe and everything since then.
00:21:39
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We're going to find out that the second shooter was actually hired by Trump to put, and he's like, just fucking, I want to go out like a hero, put me out of my misery. Cause I'm not going to lose this shit. yeah Do it right. And and he just simply told Trump that, uh, that Obama was one of the central park five and you know, Trump couldn't remember who they were at that point. He was like, yeah, that sounds terrible.
00:22:02
Speaker
No, I do. think ah Do you think. ah FBI, please note very carefully the words I'm using and not using when you review this. Do you think at some level, a little part of Trump is bummed he doesn't get to go out as a martyr? Like, I think how that would have took martyrdom over like, ah just a straight, just a straight up loss. Yeah, I think we'll never accept that don don't never end up that loss losing. Yeah, he won't accept the loss. If he loses by like, you know, I don't know. If he loses by like,
00:22:35
Speaker
two or three states, and it's a wide enough margin. like He's lost by like three or four points and but in in those states. like I think that's the worst case scenario for him. I think he'd rather go to jail because then he can be like the, you know oh, I'm so persecuted. and Right, because he won't he won't go to like solitary confinement. He'll be in the whitest, cushiest jail, and he'll probably still have full internet access the whole time because it'll be like his house or something. I think they'll put him in that plastic magneto prison. Yeah.
00:23:05
Speaker
No, he'll be on the Gucci house arrest with a long, uh, a long, uh, whatever from the brace, the anklet, whatever you fucking call that thing. He'll have a long range between that. just kind of like a He gets to go out on a like, uh,
00:23:19
Speaker
like an AstraTurf putting green for like an hour in the morning each day and they have like the Hannibal Lecter like rope that ties into the ceiling. Is this the case? I think it's people who have ah been convicted of crimes like cyber, different cyber crimes and stuff. Sometimes their punishment is they're not allowed to like use computers anymore or ones that are connected to the internet. Like they're not allowed to have internet access.
00:23:44
Speaker
wouldn't that be a really funny punishment for Trump if it was like, you're not allowed to have social media anymore. Like you can't read it. You can't post on it. Or no, maybe let him read it. Don't let him post on it. Yeah, no responses at all. A passive observer to life from then on. Be tortured. I don't know. It'd be torture for him. I just feel like that be that would honestly be worse than prison.
00:24:08
Speaker
Like just take away his ability to be to make himself a martyr every single day for eight straight years and let him spend his remaining eight years, maybe ah just being an old guy in Florida, like all the rest. I would love it if ah if he loses and he's so upset, he breaks into Kamala's house and she stands her ground. That we have the first like presidential ah a presidential assassination by a president. but Did you guys catch that clip? the the She was talking to Oprah and she was asking her about being a gun owner and she's like, if you come into my house, you're going to get shot.
00:24:54
Speaker
Dude, that would just be a great way to just be a great period on the end of the Trump era. Which, which, yeah, it would, but, as you know, as a vice president currently, that is true. Probably not by her, but it is true. Yeah. Yeah. secret fair that That is what should happen. Yeah. Well, unless it's Ashley Babbitt, the hero.
00:25:15
Speaker
And yes, everyone, I know that was the Capitol, not the White House. It's just a joke. Yeah. Yeah. She, I, I, I refer to her as Paula Revere. she warned us about thecom fascist All right, man my friends there's something I've been excited about I really want to share this information with you. ah One of our most beloved cinematic universes is getting an expansion.
The Chosen Series and Spin-offs
00:25:43
Speaker
I know. What do you got for you guys? Top top three cinematic universes. Not a lot, right? We're working Marvel, DC. Is there anything else? Star Wars? I'm being baited into something. I'm just awkward's genuinely curious. Okay. Well, obviously the Fast and the Furious. Oh, yeah, that is a cinematic universe. Thank you.
00:26:02
Speaker
the Lord of the Rings. yeah And then yeah, probably Marvel just for the sheer accomplishment. and that Oh man, but I feel like Harry Potter also deserves to be up there. Bond might deserve to be up there just for like cultural relevance. I maintain at least 20 of those movies are pretty bad.
00:26:20
Speaker
Yeah, well, you know, you're actually making me realize that there's a lot more cinematic. I don't think there are a lot of cinematic universes. well Well, how many movies does something have to have? Like, when does it stop becoming a sequel? Like, is there a twister cinematic universe now? Because there's two of them. like I feel like it's got to be over three. Yeah. feel like more a yeah Number one goes to the Shrek verse.
00:26:40
Speaker
i ah that is more than I feel like not only does it need, see like there has to be some sequels, but I feel like there needs to be spin off. It needs to expand an original idea. So like, it needs to spin off, right? Uh, if you're gonna say that, like, uh,
00:26:58
Speaker
the Fallout series, right? they had If they make another series about a character from that who is likeable, now you're blowing it up to ah a cinematic universe. I think that might be part of it. ah So obviously, writinging it down tons of cinematic universes out there. ah ah Plenty of expanded. They've opened up. We've had our our main series.
00:27:23
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We get to spin off, we find ourselves falling in love with new characters and and directions. And now, for the first time, you guys get to experience the Jesus Christ cinematic universe. Because Dallas Jenkins, the man who ah is the director creator and director of The Chosen, just announced a full studio rebranding and a massive expansion of The Chosen universe.
00:27:51
Speaker
what What is the chosen? The chosen? Casey. Casey. Casey. Casey. Come on. You don't know what the chosen is? I feel like we've done this to you too many times. Maybe it's right i'm sorry it's in there somewhere, but it's not ringing a bell. It's ah it is it's just a series on the life of Christ. and but it's But it's a really like high production value. like Forget if you watch something like me.
00:28:14
Speaker
20 years ago in Sunday school or whatever. Like this is a they tried to make the like big budget television version of Jesus's life. And like it it's pretty well done. I mean, it's not like some people will get into theological arguments about some of the accuracy and everything. It's I guess one of the problems when you're adapting everybody hates those people.
00:28:36
Speaker
Right. When you're adapting the story, obviously they have to make some artistic decisions to actually make it like a good television story. And some people have been crabby about that. Most people seem to think it's super well done, like from a production quality acting, like writing, directing, all of that um seems like the guy has legitimately done a good job. So that's right here. ah It sounds like it still has like a fairly fair. It bends fairly evangelical.
00:29:04
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um as my understanding but I could be wrong ah but I know what people like it and I know the people that don't like what I think so I just assume we won't we won't align on that one but I haven't watched it I would be curious to to some degree Maybe we could do that. That would that be cool? I don't know. Probably not that interesting for a lot of people. Not for us. Maybe I'll. Yeah, it's just a chore. I keep meaning to give it a shot, but I don't feel like it. i I feel like I might be interested in the expansion if it's not just like going to the next Bible book and it's more like we're going to follow Christ after his death to the next to the to a parallel universe where he gets to do the whole thing again. But as like a malevolent, like
00:29:52
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anti-hero God, like animator style. That'd be more interesting than being like, congratulations. The next one we're doing is Hezekiah. Well, I don't think you guys, I think once you realize the direction this is going in, you're going to be as pumped as I am because look, I've been looking for a new animated series and I think.
00:30:13
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The chosen adventures is a ah chosen adventures. Yeah. An animated children's series for twenty for twenty five called the chosen. Oh wait. An animated series for twenty point five. The chosen adventures Oh, and a reality program. The chosen in the wild with Bear Grylls. So no. Yeah. No, not one friends. gotta of be kid meat sorry know You Forget the animated show. Throw that out. The chosen reality series. Are you kidding? Forget the and you don't want to see Jesus doing wacky shit with friends. No, Sam, because the other thing you've talked about is the chosen reality series. The only way that could be dumber than a survival series if it was like the chosen dating show. Dude, it's like, okay, the chosen reality series is its survivor style, but one person is picked to be Judas from the start. And no one else knows. And if you kill Christ, you win. But if you don't, they actually kill you. is It's
00:31:16
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So it's mafia. It's mafia. It's like mafia, but really Judas that actually, all right. And your goal is to kill Christ. ah the Secret Judas, secret Judas. Oh man. Yeah. Somebody write that down. All right. There's a couple others. Uh, it says other future projects include the way of the chosen a series on the book of acts.
00:31:39
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The chosen book of Moses. They've already. Could a series on the book of acts be good, like a live action series, or is this going to be a cool cartoon too? It's going to be like a Paul in an anime. Is it if it's anime, that'd be sick. Is it acts that starts out with Ananias and Sophia getting struck down by the Lord almighty?
00:32:02
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um I don't remember theyre the ones that lied about giving giving their money back to god and shit this pen pentecost and then aonize and sofire get fucked up imagine if that was a hard and fest rule like Boomers would be dropping dead like crazy. X5, 1 through 11 Ananias, which I did not spell correctly, and Sapphira, yeah. Did you spell it in a way that made you not click the first search result? Nope, I got it in the first search result because Google's pretty good. Yeah, Google's pretty good at that. X5, a man named Ananias with his wife, sold a piece of property with his wife's full knowledge. He kept back part of the money for himself and then brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet, and then he got got.
00:32:43
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Do you think his wife knew in actuality, do you think that she she knew that he kept some of the money for himself or do you think she just got strung up? way Just got like lightning bolted down without even knowing. Well, like she got ripped off. Oh, yes. Says she knew. And yes, God said it. I believe it. Well, there's some missing detail here. It says whether I heard this.
00:33:09
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When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. I feel like somebody is covering up some admissions of a crime there. Um, and then great fear sees all who heard what happened. And then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body and carried him out and buried him. This is the part you were asking about, about three hours later, his wife came in not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her.
00:33:27
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Is this the price you guys got for the land? Like the money he had brought in and she was like, yup, that's the price. Now to be fair, like he could have lied to her maybe. Well, it was just together with his wife. They sold a piece of property. I actually don't think there's that many holes in the story. Story checks out. Pretty simple story. Who cares? You fuck with God. You'll find out.
00:33:48
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That's the story, uh, other future products. Okay. So acts cool. Uh, the chosen book of Moses already greenlit for a three season series arc on, uh, on Moses and Joseph a limited one season series about a sad man who keeps complaining about how he thinks his wife actually cheated on him but it's also might be the son of god and like he's just sad all the time oh that joseph yeah i i was thinking coat of many colors um maybe not one oh old testament patriarch yep no wrong i was gonna say no no offense to new testament joseph but like that doesn't seem like an interesting story it is the old testament patriarch which that could be good ah but here's the problem then he goes on to say
00:34:40
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Jenkins reassures fans that Bible consultants must approve of every single project that we do. And I don't have a problem with that necessarily, but being a quote unquote Bible consultant is very good. Yeah. And you could just find any random fuddy duddy. That's a consultant on the matter and goes, I have a problem with that. Like, like, is it a, and I think if you're like actually consulting, um,
00:35:09
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Critical scholars of the like people who are critical, right? Are they consult good scholars or like pastors, evangelical pastors? who different So it depends used on their team, but the specific use of the term consultant as opposed to like biblical expert yeah that his true that's true specialist or something. ah Consultant carries a connotation of like, this is a jerk off who sucks money out of the project.
00:35:36
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So, The Chosen Adventures, this is the one I'm excited about, is a 14 episode animated series that follows a pair of nine-year-old children who encounter Jesus in 30 AD. You know, how exciting. This reminds me a lot of Sean Puff Daddy Combs.
00:35:53
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Oh no. I want to see that animated series where a bunch of nine year olds find him and start following him. That that wouldn't go over so well, but it easy ba out sam ba out of the business so it's going to make people less uncomfortable.
00:36:11
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Well, there's some connotation differences there. Yeah. I think the context is a little different. I don't do it. I hate this idea of a pair of nine-year-old children who encounter Jesus. It'll feature the voices of the chosen cast, blah, blah, blah. It's been in the works for at least 18 months. What could possibly happen in it? Dude, like like they, I'm assuming owner jesus a forest gum type thing where they're like, they follow him around while major stuff, like while major biblical events happen. That'd be my assumption.
00:36:41
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Life is like a bucket of brimstone. Sometimes it just falls on you and burns your face. The goal is to instill a love for scripture at a young age. Those seeds sprout and grow into their teenage years and on. That's always the goal. It doesn't seem like it ever works. Never worked. It's never worked. No one's ever seen a cartoon of anything Jesus related and had it changed the entire trajectory of their life.
00:37:09
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I think the people who are coming up with, uh, Christian children's shows by and large are just not, they're just not the right people for the job because nothing that I ever saw though in a Christian children's show made me want to like dig deeper into the word. Yeah. Uh, hold on veggie tales. We're not going to hear this disrespect. God is bigger than the boogeyman Casey.
00:37:32
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Okay. Yeah, that's fair. It's pretty good. Yeah. Like Larry boy and all that. Yeah. Any of the others, I'm right there with you. I'm just, where's my hair, bro? And I have a feeling that if I went back and put it on, I would, my first thought would be like, my kids don't need to watch this. do like All right. Hey, look.
00:37:53
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You want your children's shows, this chosen spin-off, you know, you want to turn it into a whole channel that's just like nonstop Christian entertainment for kids and actually get them hooked. You know who's looking for work? Dan Schneider.
00:38:09
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You might have heard of him. He's a guy from Nickelodeon. That's what we need. We need a sitcom. We need a kids sitcom for tweens. And it follows the 12 disciples. There's a lot of things like, you know, people drinking Mountain Dew out of socks and whatnot. And then it culminates season one finale. They see this old bald prophet and they're like, oh, Baldy,
00:38:33
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Anyway, you don't want to spoil how it ends. It's pretty good. Just a big bloody bear attack. Speaking of bear. Speaking of bear. He's Pickle Boy. The Chosen and the Wild with Bear Grylls. Yeah, what's what's the pitch? It's a six episode unscripted program that will follow adventurer Bear Grylls as he takes the cast and creator of The Chosen into the wild.
00:38:59
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Is it going to be like a nature show or is this going to be another like hokey bear grills like squeezing water out of an elephant turd sort of thing? Probably some of that. Well, with enough cheese cloth, anything's possible. ah It says ah he loves Jesus and he loves the chosen according to Dallas.
00:39:19
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Dallas Jenkins, creator of The Chosen. Dallas said, oh, then he oh so there's not much on that. ah but Apparently he's just taking the cast and creator of The Chosen into the wild. I'm guessing the wild is somewhere in the vicinity of where Jesus would have lived. Okay. I feel like they're missing so many opportunities, 40 days and 40 nights in the wilderness. like Well, the problem is they only got six episodes green lit, Jeremiah, so they can't really do. 40 would be a lot.
00:39:49
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They don't have the funding to put Bear Girls up in the Hampton Inn and, you know, Anchorage for another couple of nights. Dude, he did have a scandal with that shit, right? He was like, it turned out that he was, he wasn't doing the shit that we thought he was doing. Yeah, he was like, i he got caught like going to, yeah, he was literally like checking into the Holiday Inn after he like drank his pee for the fourth time. He gave himself toxic shock from drinking his own urine.
00:40:19
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And then he had continental breakfast. All right. You can make your own waffle. Joseph is a series scheduled to be released before, damn, the chosen has six seasons. Yeah. It's been on for awhile. They don't realize Jesus dies eventually. Like how long can you run this?
00:40:40
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I mean, a bunch of flashbacks, been not a bunch of years. Oh, they're going to do it like lost style where like the two timelines eventually converge. Yeah, I hope so. Uh, we have some fun with it though. And like, I mean, cause we got what, like.
00:40:54
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30 years of Jesus's life where there's just nothing about him like in scripture so yeah, you know you could like he he Jesus in high school Jesus and then world so world to the you know, the the Golan Heights to ah you know help secure settler, you know housing or something like that and he's jaded by the the the horrors of war and ends up like You know swearing off his old ways and becoming the prophet that he eventually and then he dies I don't know, I'm just spitballing. What if we got like a, I do like the dating show idea. I think like some sort of Christian mingle sort of thing, but in show form, like, what if you got like a, the chosen MILF manner, like Cola. And you have like the chosen biblical beefcake bungalow. And it's just horny Virgin 20 something dudes that are trying not to like, ah
00:41:54
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I don't know, suck each other up. Or bust in general. First one to come loses. You see what kind of wacky hijinks get up to with all their life. And they lose an opportunity to enter the kingdom. That would be great because you know how many talking head interviews are they going to do where you know the guy in youth group that God was leading him towards a different girl about every three weeks? Like, did you ever have that guy? Oh, yeah.
00:42:20
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He was praying, he was fast, and he's in the Word. And good news, ma'am, miss, God's putting you on my heart for a special reason. And like, I don't know, God's super indecisive, apparently. Doesn't really make a lot of sense, but what do I know? Put a bunch of those dudes in a house together, that would be hilarious. Like watching them have to grapple with, well, they wouldn't really grapple with anything. They'd be too dense. But watching everyone else have to grapple with them in real time would be a lot of fun.
00:42:49
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Speaking of which, have you guys seen this, uh, the, the show like that, that's about the the Mormon ladies. It's like secret lives of Mormon wives. No, are they out? just Yeah. My wife has that on with something she has that on our list to watch.
Reality TV and Music Critiques
00:43:05
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So I haven't seen the actual show, but Papa Meat did like a breakdown video where he went through and like.
00:43:11
Speaker
You know, showed like what happened in every episode. And it's just, it's literally the worst people alive, but they're all Mormons. And it's just like them drinking soda and like, you know, like slowly revealing to each other that they cheated on their husbands and wives.
00:43:28
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right they're They're ostensibly Mormon, but like not that I'm trying to be in the position of defending the Mormon church here. I think the Mormon label is really loosely applied to this. They're theoretically Mormon, but they still seem to be super devout about it. It'd be like a show about Catholics dating like getting into hijinks or whatever. We're like, sure, I don't think the fact that they're Catholic is super important other than it's something they get to focus back on all the time for all the sin. and Do you know these who these ladies are?
00:43:56
Speaker
like they're ah It's a group of like tick tockers and they're all Mormons. And it's, it was like a bunch of ladies and dude, they, they all, they look like they came out of straight up like Stepford wive injection mold. Like they all look the same except for one has dark hair instead of blonde. Every other detail about them is completely identical and they basically like, uh,
00:44:19
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You know, do tech talk dances and stuff in their sports bras and whatnot. And it apparently like scandal engulf the whole thing because. It came out over time that like them and their dopey beefcake husbands were like swinging with each other. And then that broke. And then they all like, dude, these are the worst people alive. Like they're just constantly like backstabbing each other. They're people who are made for reality TV. Like that's. Yes. Yeah. And they theoretically are Mormon. Like that's it. That's 100 percent it. And so it's like it's kind of like Jersey Shore, but nobody's drunk.
00:44:57
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And occasionally they do some weirdo Mormon stuff like they do some sort of blessing ceremony in the living room where all the women sit and like put their heads in there, you know, stare down at the floor while the men like hug each other in the center of the room or something because men carry the priesthood.
00:45:14
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so they have to hug each other in the center, yeah which fine. i I'm not throwing shade at male on male hugs. I love male on male hugs. i just You know when it's forced and when it's like, we're brothers. And you're like, this is, no one wants to be here. No one wants to touch each other.
00:45:33
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this is not well i think i think we have a lot of historical info that says they do like to touch each other so i think they're probably they know they only like to touch each other when the person they're touching doesn't want to be touched though that's the problem like they can't yeah they can't willingly do it they have to like not want it you got to play coy yeah and you cross swords
00:45:57
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But OK, so he was showing ah just clips from the show and talking about the episodes and stuff. And there's one lady who's kind of like the worst out of the group. Like she's where all the drama is kind of like somewhat centered around her because she's constantly trying to like ah she's trying to yeah like stage a coup against the ah the Stepford wife leader.
00:46:20
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But this lady, so she did this video and got a ton of flack for it, which I happened to see. Like I didn't know who she was, but I remember this video coming up on like a couple of cringe channels or something. And it's like her daughter, her infant daughter had some sort of like real serious condition and was in the hospital. Like I think life threatening. And so her, her daughter is like,
00:46:45
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in the in the hospital like cradle thing in like a ah ah little plastic box on life support. And she's doing a like tick tock dance on the side like next to the the box of her, you know, like, like near death child. And she's like doing this goofy dance and she does a little heart hands thing and then as like the details of what They just went through like procedurally and stuff like that. Well, I think I've, I think I've seen that video. like the one that died by you and famous Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cause so many people parodied it. I think I've seen like more parodies than the actual video itself. It's so nuts. And she's like, I just wanted to do something fun and everybody's being so mean. Cause you're awful. That's why. Cause you're awful.
00:47:40
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if the whole world collectively is saying you suck maybe i don't know man well the problem with that is the whole world can collectively say that and still rise you to stardom immediately talk yeah i mean just because you suck doesn't mean when we don't want to watch you know Hawk 2 is doing just fine. OK, but she actually seems like she's a cool person. True. She's donating like she's doing a lot of money to like animal welfare causes and she seems like chill and normal. She lives with her grandma. I don't know. She's the way she became famous is very stupid, but it seems like she's kind of embraced that. And she's like, well, I'm here now. I don't know. It's kind of hard to hate on that. I don't think I've actually even seen anything with her in it, but I've heard people I've probably heard like two hours of discussion about
00:48:26
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Yeah. About her on podcasts. Well, that's a lot of people just hating on like somebody else struck it big doing the dumbest thing possible. It's easy to hate on that. I mean, that's annoying as fuck. That's super. total sam move um It's a jealous annoying. Would you agree Sam?
00:48:46
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yes unequivocally yes i ah we're over here doing 200 episodes and she just fucking pretends to spit on a dick and she fucking blows the fuck up it's like Sam's the definition of, Lord, I see what you're doing for others. for me it's it's It doesn't come without a tiny bit of frustration. You're like, are you kidding? ah you know what and all i have to do All I had to do this whole time was to find someone on the street and pretend to spit on a dick and I would have been career boom. Yeah, we could have done like an island boys thing. You could have spit on mine.
00:49:29
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I don't know, there's still time, we could try it out. Yeah, it's not- Let's storyboard it. Yeah, it's not too late for us. I'm not saying it's too late. I'm just saying lightning needs to strike. That's what- Why? What happens if it doesn't strike? What are you gonna do? Well, I don't know. Disappear to the either. No. All right. With nothing. Nothing to show. Live out the remainder of our days in bitterness. I just go to work every day.
00:49:55
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Okay, so pretty much like um normal people shit gross. I don't want to do I don't want to do normal people shit forever. yeah ah Okay, so what what is the deal with ah you were gonna you had a thing about under oath that you Yes, this came up because we were... Jeremiah mentioned something about Underoath. I don't have a lot to say about Underoath other than I wish they would fucking disappear forever. I hate them. That's all they have to say. So far.
00:50:25
Speaker
Because they're just a bunch of loser ass hacks now. i ah It's pathetic. It's disgusting, the trajectory they've taken. Disgusting, it's okay. It's offensive towards anyone who enjoys music at all. It's offensive. i Have you listened to their new single? Yeah, and they also played it at the concert. Oh, with the it's just production. You're not a fucking band anymore. God, ah look, I like production. I like pop music. I like a very i like ah fucking large swath of music. I am pretty indiscriminate. Very sophisticated. And I heard that and I go, that's it. this is
00:51:06
Speaker
Yeah, you put out Erase Me and that was trash as fuck. Like that was a useful album. I really enjoyed that album. Come on. I didn't like voyeurist. I did not like voyeurist that much, but I really liked Erase Me. Erase Me was their first one back from retirement, right?
00:51:23
Speaker
Yeah. And a yellow it was, no. I would put erase me like fourth or fifth on their best album. I would put you last on my favorite people's list right now for that. All right. Go ahead and finish your statement about this. long i I have a, I have it up. I have a response ready to go. and' just waiting It's just not real. It's not, it's, they go, you know, we blew our load. We're done. We have nothing more to offer. How do we stay relevant?
00:51:54
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How do we try to stay relevant? Oh, we can't hack it in the genre we've done or the genres we've tried. So now we have to just go to some fucking one one person 808 production bullshit. And then in the last 30 seconds, like dropping some instruments and scream.
00:52:11
Speaker
It was it's awful. It's it it's I honestly felt embarrassed for them listening to their new single. And this is the reason I don't look I don't know if they ever would have done it. I don't know. We've had some pretty good guests here. I've intentionally decided I will never reach out to a single member from under oath because I could never talk to one of them and pretend to like anything they've done in the past seven years.
00:52:36
Speaker
Well, I talked to a bunch of them last week in person and they were pretty cool. No, I don't need to. I don't know when Erase Me came out and they were like, I think this is the best stuff we've ever done. I go, I don't even believe you. I think you every band has to say that when they're releasing the album. They can't be like, well, not as good as the albums from 10 years ago that are your people's number one album of all time. It's not as good as that, but I don't. not feel bad for them it's a bummer to know that you peaked we've all so everyone's yeah and that's yes but when you've peaked at the top of the mountain of your particular genre like i don't know man that's not that bad yeah but going downhill since you go we peaked and then we retired and then we came back and have only got we've we put out something that was the worst thing we've ever done and only gotten worse ever since
00:53:26
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so chris dudley what a bar for them they're they're like this slash samples guy um he put out a great statement after that song came out and a bunch of people were shitting on it online like sam um yeah and he said you something that bands like us always get is a when we put out new things is why why don't you make music that sounds more like your old stuff? like Can you not make stuff that sounds like your old stuff anymore? Do you not like it? like why This isn't the band that I used to listen to. Why don't you make more music like that? He said, really, like we can't ever be that band to you again. Because it's not just about us making that music. It's also about people are nostalgic for that time in their lives and all the memories associated with that music. And we were different people then. And we're trying to change and grow as artists. And he said, like this new album has some of our poppiest
00:54:14
Speaker
softest stuff on it and some of the heaviest stuff we've ever done. And he said, i I don't know if people are going to like a lot of it, but this is the music that we want to make right now. And we're really stoked for all of you that are like coming on the ride with us. Sounds like Cope. That sounds like Cope to me. no I think it's 100% true, Sam. I don't think it's true.
00:54:31
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I am this concert that we were at was a concert celebrating the 20th anniversary of one of the defining albums of an entire show to see them play that album and I'm going to love every second of it. ah um're goingnna They're gonna play teeth live just so you know they're gonna play. they I don't think when we were young they play anything other than the album.
00:54:51
Speaker
I hope. Oh, oh, oh, they're just good. Are you seeing them at when we were young? Yeah. Yeah. They may not, but they played two sets. Like they did the normal, like play the whole, like they're only chasing safety album and then it's only like 35 minutes. So then they played another set that was all fan voted songs. Plus teeth. Um, yeah, no one voted for that. Like Sam's going to be in the background going, boom, break out, fall out board. I just, was here I, it's growing on me. It's growing on me. saying I, that explanation sounds like cope for a couple of reasons. I feel like if you have to really call that out, I like bands that don't call it out because people were like sending them death threats online. and have had but both bands That change don't actually get death threats. Most bands that shift in their music, don't get so integrated.
00:55:36
Speaker
I was hanging with him there. I was i was on your side until the mention of death threats. Now I'm off. Now I'm Just subscribe. I feel like I could name several bands that i've just that I love that went through genre shifts and it felt natural. It felt fine. you What did you think about it?
00:55:57
Speaker
what are the years between now and that album like that I'm not asking for them to recreate anything I'm just all I know is I hear what they make and I go this is this is This sucks. I hate it. All right. So I'll disagree with you a little bit more and then I'll agree with you on something else. Um, uh, did you listen to their single let go that they released like a year ago? I definitely did. Cause I keep giving their music a chance, but I think it's good. I, that's what's interesting to me about a race. I must just be hearing a different album than other people are hearing. Cause to me, that sounds a lot like older under oath where it's got some very heavy pop stuff.
00:56:35
Speaker
and then it's got some really heavy stuff. It's got a lot of dissonance. It does some interesting things with production. I think it's poorly mixed. like I think the mixing and mastering is not very good, um but I don't know. I i really enjoy it. i also There were a couple of things on it that were good, but in a full album when you have like maybe a total of three songs,
00:56:55
Speaker
that work and the rest just feels like they were connecting three songs and they go don't shit on it because it the dissonance it's it's telling a story it's a it's a concept it's whatever you want to say to justify why you just did some drony ass shit for four minutes to connect two songs i don't i don't buy it I it's a weird single i'll definitely say that like i'd have to hear it in the context of the rest of the album to see if that like works or not but i part of what i liked about erase me was definitely that the band was back together it was that that spencer and aaron had patched up their differences
00:57:30
Speaker
They'd healed their relationships. Then a bunch of these friends who've been together for so long playing music wanted to get out and play music again. Like I, I don't, to me, that's just a very normal thing to be like, yeah, good for them. The same thing with thrice got back together. Their first album after they got back together was phenomenal.
00:57:45
Speaker
um And then the next couple after that have not been as good but like thrice has also gone through a bunch of genre shifts And I think they've been excellent the entire time some of their albums though It's like ah, this is this one's not for me Like I don't really like like the what the one they released most recently a couple years ago I don't like it and thrice has one of my all-time favorite bands and always will be but I know what you're saying sam because Like I think Prada is a great example of a band that keeps reinventing itself. And they've also gotten softer and softer over the years. And a lot of people agree they're making their absolute best stuff ever. So and that's a band that I don't care for what they're doing now, but I have not had any, I'm not over here. I don't have the same problem, right? So what's Prada?
00:58:28
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yeah what's I like their new stuff better than their old stuff by a long time. I like it better than a lot of their old stuff, and their live show is incredible. Because they play still a lot of the old stuff, and their their new stuff still has tons of heavy parts in it, but like they get a crowd going better than pretty much any other band I've seen, and they go just as hard as they did when they were 17. It's April 9th, first date.
00:58:49
Speaker
Nice. what that wonder around that I guess that was the plagues. This would have been like 2008. No, 2007. That's a good show. That's a good first date. Yeah. Like, yeah, but I think like Prada has only gotten better as a band. Um, to me, it's different for like the thing you're saying, Sam, I think as I lay dying is on that trajectory where it's like, will you guys just stop now? Like give up. The song is good. It sounds pretty good. Yeah, but it sounds like that. But like normal jeans gone through several iterations and I don't have any shade to throw at them. Not, not any at all. So what is so.
00:59:29
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But I feel like there's a lot of crappy shades, like crappy Norma Jean songs. So I really liked the last album, but I wouldn't say it's hard to argue like what era of Norma Jean is the best or whatever. ah what do you I feel like there's got to be something else going on with Underoath and you. Like what is it specifically I honestly think they I don't I think they lost it. At the end of the day, I think they don't have it anymore. I think they peaked. I think they're done. And I think that they're just we're just making music to stay relevant, to make money, to have a career. I don't buy any of its genuine. Every interview is like you're selling it too hard. I just think they're just and a legacy band now. I think they're a legacy band that shows up legacy band is that bad.
01:00:14
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It's, it makes, it doesn't make me like it. Why not? There's going to be legacy bands from our era. It doesn't, you know, what like remember legacy. don remember A day to remember is not a good band anymore.
01:00:26
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I agree. I don't know if they were ever a great band, but they're definitely not a good band, but they're still, they're going to be playing second sucks for like the next 35 years to sold out crowds probably. And like, whatever, like I'm just happy that, I don't know, people from the genre we love and we grew up in are able to be legacy acts. Like to me, that's just, isn't that great? But that's why I'm excited to see a day to remember at when we were young. And I'm excited to see Underoath at when we were young because I want to see them play. They're only chasing safety. I want more than anything for Underoath to be a band I like. I want that in their post retirement. The only person stopping you from liking them is you. I know their music is stopping me from liking them, Jeremiah. Have you missed every fucking word that comes out of my mouth? You know who still has it and keeps getting better?
01:01:18
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our friends and skillet yeah that new album it's it's like american nationalism the album is their drummer like bra fa my family my freedom that's what up and like My oil rights. Dude, have you heard that song? it's It's horrible. Oh, it sucks so bad. Everybody is the one who sent it to us, and that's where he made me post it. And there's also the other new one they did, Unpopular, and like they're posting reels when it gets the two women in the band, being like, who says girls can't play rock music? Unpopular. It's like, no one is saying that. And I appreciate all the comments where people clouted and being like, literally, no one's been saying that for 30 years. like Women are all over rock music. What are you talking about?
01:02:03
Speaker
maybe not Maybe not evangelical Christian rock music, but is that a rock music problem? That's gone. Yeah, that's dead. ah Sam, i don't I don't want to sound like I'm just picking on you for not li and like being upset about under it. I don't feel picked on. I feel like a dick right now. Let's be clear.
01:02:20
Speaker
I'm going hard against them. There's been a ton of stuff on voyeurist where I felt similar when they were doing some of like the glitch stuff where I was like, I, this is not, I don't care about any of this at all, but i I try to view it through the same vein as any artist that like, I respect a lot of their stuff, but they do something I don't like. It's like, this art wasn't for me. Oh, Casey has a gem. Like I try to look at it as this art wasn't for me, but I still, I'm happy they're still making stuff and expressing themselves. and i have People who because of their name and who they are can make something and no matter how not good it is People will like it because they want to iris. They want to respect that artist. Yeah, like Taylor Swift. I don't
01:03:03
Speaker
oh If you want to if you want to talk right now about the latest album and how that's not a trash heap of a cash-in I would love I don't want to talk about that I'm just I'm gonna this it I'm gonna plead a fifth on this one To save my marriage. I think people can't hear you April can't hear you I haven't listened to it. Not Casey's marriage. Casey didn't do whatever he wants. i it's solid It's a solid 10 song album that is inexplicably 25 songs long. like She did the Drake thing where every year Drake puts out a new 25 song album where 17 of the songs are trash
01:03:41
Speaker
Five of them are trash, but then you find yourself coming back to them and they grow on you. They're like, this actually goes kind of hard, even though it's trash. And that's how Drake has made his entire career. Drake worked out for me because I tried listening to Drake several times, just hearing people talk about it. And I'm like, I don't get it. I don't like this at all. It turns out he's a pedophile and that's why I didn't get it.
01:04:02
Speaker
yeah No, it was good. It felt good. Realizing. No, it's not. Okay. Let me rephrase. I don't want him to just love people's downfall. yeah watching a bird I don't love that they pedophile. I don't like that Drake pedophiles as hard as he did. I just to be clear, allegedly, allegedly. This is a podcast. You can say with a fucking. I don't.
01:04:32
Speaker
But I've always hated his music and I did feel a slight vindication. I can't do Drake. I've never been able to do Drake. And when ah we obviously ah got into the Kendrick Drake shit.
01:04:45
Speaker
Oh, it was great. This was kendrick is doing the Super Bowl. Yeah. And people are pretty mad because they thought Lil Wayne should do it. OK, that's that's something I don't get where people talk about like Lil Wayne is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Why? He puts out hundreds of super mediocre songs and he had like two good albums. Why do people think he's one of the greatest of all time? I don't. There's a lot of good things to say about him. All right, we can get into that later. I feel like that' yeah but you see Casey has a jam. We're talking lyrics. All right. Let's just talk let's just talk lyrics. Take the music out of it. Take the music out of it. Just like bare bones, read me a poem and I will tell you if I identify with it. And this is one that I do. This is verse two.
01:05:33
Speaker
from skillet. It says, Oh, i took get arrested in the town. He read the verses too loud. But burn the cities down. Celebs will bail you out. we he' well what's the guy from staed What's the guy from stained? the Am I the only one song? The whiniest? Like, have you heard that the guy from doing country music now?
01:05:58
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Aaron Aaron Lewis. He's like a MAGA country singer now. OK. And he did a song. Am I the only one? It's basically am I the only one who didn't like seeing them Confederate statues torn down? Am I the only one willing to fight for our rights? It's like settle down, Bubba. You didn't you never served. You're just bitching about it on a stage. Oh, God.
01:06:19
Speaker
um It kind of a try that in a small town sort of vibe It's much worse than try that in a small town Sam. You have to watch the music video. It's Awful, it's such an awful song Is it going to feel like my guys throw an aneurysm just watching it? You see me because you're going to see how friends and family members could easily be second. Like what? He's not saying anything. He's just talking about being proud of your heritage and where you come from and all that stuff. Um, Casey, I have another, I have a poem for you. Um, from Drake. Uh, it's one of my, did Casey finish his poem?
01:06:58
Speaker
Oh, I thought I did. Sorry. I thought you just. Okay. Uh, where'd we go wrong? I can't make sense of this. So just leave the kids alone. Better not break into this home. Don't make them. We always stand as one where we belong. We won't stand for this man. It doesn't even rhyme to he remember when was making like new metal, like edgy new metal stuff in the early two thousands wearing like mesh shirts and spiking their hair and stuff. Yeah, they were great.
01:07:27
Speaker
Yeah. The box dye has fried his brain. Like box dye and partisan politics has just has just zapped every last free brain cell in his head. Well, as Drake said, I'm a gentleman. I'm generous. I'll blow half a million on you, Hose. I'm a feminist.
01:07:44
Speaker
Just for him. but Oh my god. I love that line so much. It's so it's oh terrible. It's great. Dude, I, yeah. i'm Well, I'm not like the biggest hip hop guy in the world. I like some, but like. Ghost doesn't count. like Yeah. Oh, Ghostman? Eminem definitely counts. It's a little on the, okay, I hated all the stuff that Ghostman did with Under Oath.
01:08:10
Speaker
Come on. yeah Okay. Here's something that's hurting me a little bit. POS is back and he's opening for Under Oath. POD? POS. What? Really? Yeah. Who's POS? A rapper from Minneapolis. He was part of the Doomtree crew. Doomtree was great. POS is phenomenal. POS back 20 years ago, 18 years ago, something like that, had an album where one of his um samples was an Under Oath track.
01:08:41
Speaker
And he wrapped over that. So like for all the under oath fans who heard that you recognized it immediately. ah And then he had a kind of a weird situation. So basically he almost died. um He had some medical condition. I think it was a problem with his kidneys. Ended up on dialysis.
01:09:00
Speaker
and then someone came out and pointed and was like he was a really basically it was just you were an awful fucking boyfriend thing I'm on the I'm on the section of his Wikipedia the section of his Wikipedia called sexual misconduct allegations okay maybe it's worse than I thought Regarding allegations of abuse by his touring DJ in response to this, multiple women came forward accusing POS himself of the history of manipulation and emotional abuse. In July 2020, POS responded to these allegations and then announced he was stepping away from music. And you're saying he's opening for under oath? So apparently four years later.
01:09:37
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He's back and he is opening for under oath on some of their new, they just announced a new tour. And he there was a weird thing that happened up there though. Like in that group, it was like, uh, it was like the Spider-Man meme of just everybody pointing at each other and.
01:09:54
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It was, there was one guy that was, that did some like real off color stuff. Was it prof? I can't remember. He was like a
Public Figures and Scandals
01:10:03
Speaker
DJ or something. And his, his allegations were, were rough. Like it was, he was like plying women with drugs and alcohol and stuff like that. And I think like young women and I don't remember exactly what the details were, but they were pretty rough. And then it was like, astronauts cheated on his wife.
01:10:23
Speaker
Yeah. It's like, okay, well, it's a bad thing to do, but it's not, you know, end your career sort of stuff. I don't know. There was a, there was a lot of like allegations up there. Tell that to Dave Grohl.
01:10:39
Speaker
oh yeah That one was, that was kind of disappointing. Was it? What happened there? How can you feel anything about that at all? What do you mean? Because he's generally been like a cool, influential force in music, like promoting people, like young people getting into rock music and playing instruments and just generally been a cool guy. and That's all great. I don't know what that is. This new stuff sucks. What does that have to do with- What does that have to do with his because as he cheated on like right he's got several ex-wives He's cheated plenty of times. He released really RFK jr. With it. yeah du rf kids's having a hard time right now Yeah I don't know if anybody as rfk junior know is
01:11:21
Speaker
Have you been paying attention to it? We'll go back to Dave Grohl. Have you guys been paying attention to our new sex? man these man put the whole rolodex into his phone. Yeah, that guy's a fucking idiot. He's like, hey, i'm not I never said I was a boy scout. Dude, you know what's pissing me off, too, is there was so much about him that when he first hit the scene, you're like, I think this guy's the real deal. Agree or disagree with a lot of shit. like there was It felt like there was an authenticity there.
01:11:49
Speaker
No, there isn't. This guy is a hack through and through. He like gave up, joined Trump's campaign despite saying all this shit about how fucking wild that was. Dude, this guy, he doesn't stand by anything he's ever said or done. He's just this guy. fucking Yeah, he went way, way off. It was. It's so weird to like be like, I have all of this dirty laundry.
01:12:14
Speaker
I think I'm going to shine the national spotlight on myself. I guess that's what egomaniacs do. It's like they never think it'll catch up to them or they never think that they won't be able to explain it away. Like I i didn't hear anything about that stuff for quite a while until like what, maybe like three or four months ago is when the the first allegations came out and like his response was what he, it was like a babysitter for his kids and he like made aggressive passes at her and stuff.
01:12:44
Speaker
And his response was like well I'm no fire boy if they if the skeletons in my class I could all vote then I'd be president hu Which is a weird thing he's like what do you expect me to do my dick was hard and I needed to get it soft again Like so there's like there's no culpability there like it's just a natural thing but Behind the bastards did a multi-parter on him and oh and that show I hate I I I despise that show You'd rather the guy just talk really quietly and dramatically and take a really long time to say stuff. I just don't like that. shit yeah Sam, you should you maybe you could be a guest host on that show. You guys give up the same energy. Because I hate so much. Yeah. um they wanted to i put on Under oath. I'm there. I have a hard time with that show just because it's like the the like like regularly scheduled burning of someone at the stake.
01:13:44
Speaker
I don't know. It's not that it's not deserved. Like, I mean, I said most of the people that I don't think they've ever burned somebody where I'm like, though, this feels unjust and like he's done some occasionally where he's like, this person is not a bastard on like the scale of the people we normally do. This is just a person that's responsible for something that kind of sucks.
01:14:02
Speaker
And I think he does a great job of explaining to like, yeah, I mean, this isn't the worst thing ever, but he like, he plays into it where he'll call random people like Thomas Kincaid, like the master of light painter, whatever Thomas Kincaid history's greatest monster and just turns it into a bit. I haven't listened to it a lot. I listened to a few episodes.
01:14:22
Speaker
a while back. it It really depends on who the guest is and stuff. And like some stories just aren't as crazy as some of those. The one on the Boy Scouts of America is awful. Like it's it's really well done, but like that is a rough listen. I mean, he. Yeah, dude, it was always like asking every year like somebody through work asks like my company to sponsor some Boy Scout thing and you're just kind of like,
01:14:51
Speaker
You know, maybe it's time for a new club. but yeah but yeah Well, it's technically is a new club. It's the Scouts of America or whatever it's called out because women are allowed in it too. And they're still ah cool. sure That's why they allow the station to every gender. yeah and They're like, man, we we don't know what we could do to get more people to come. It's like, I don't know, maybe don't protect the people.
01:15:18
Speaker
Maybe don't protect the people who like molest a hundred thousand kids. I don't know. like They looked at the numbers the Catholic church was putting up and they were like, but what if it was outdoors? What if we raised you 100,000? What if it was in a wet tent? Don't love that. Wait a second. What's the Dave Grohl deal?
01:15:42
Speaker
There's not much to it. Dave Grohl was like, he just put out this post. It was like, look, I, I welcomed a brand, like a beautiful baby into this world who happens to not be with my wife. I'm working out that. And that was basically it. It was like, I'm going to acknowledge that the, that this life is beautiful, but I'm going to reserve. I'm going to comment on the fact that I did not have this baby with my wife.
01:16:09
Speaker
and I'm going to reserve any commentary. And the world got mad. ah Then you start seeing things where he hired like a divorce attorney before he even made that post. And then his wife's basically like, I don't think I want to do this with you anymore. Not super shocking. He's cheated.
01:16:26
Speaker
on previous wives he's been with this woman for a long time let's be honest like I don't know I don't I just don't care about that like I care like if you knew them personally you'd care but like I hate celebrity so fucking much I hate I don't care but did you hear the celebrity did that like some of it's interesting like watching did he go down Oh Casey okay here it is I you know what I'm getting it now. I love watching people fall. It's fun as fuck. You do. yeah right from I hate celebrity too. I love watching the downfall and the police. They have a gun in their mouth. that's what sams like I just want people who are going to be dragged down to where I feel like I am.
01:17:16
Speaker
Yeah, make you look like a, make you feel like a plebe like the rest of us. Because when I watch, when i whenever people are like, did you see what this person did? I go, I don't care. I don't care what Taylor Swift did. I don't care who she endorsed. I don't care who she dissed on her petty ass new track. There's just, I don't care about celebrity. I think people getting so wrapped up in other people's lives to the point where it influences the way they live their own.
01:17:44
Speaker
just because their fucking billionaire is wild. I don't I just it doesn't matter to me. I don't care and I don't want to hear about them unless they fucked up. Apparently. ah I love that. I don't know. I'm realizing there's a discontinuity in what I thought my ethos was and how I live my life. So you guys ah look, I'm I'm accepting it. You've you pointed out the flaws. I'm going to sit with that for a while now.
01:18:12
Speaker
You know what scandal
Linkin Park's New Direction
01:18:13
Speaker
is going on right now that's near and dear to my heart? is Have you seen all this stuff about the Linkin Park? Yes. Yes. Linkin Park's new vocalist. Oh, what a bummer. Yeah, a little quick LP ah before we close this out, because I we all we all all of our listeners who doesn't we all. love see it hard like Who didn't? But I'll say, OK, first couple albums. Great. I don't think they've made anything good since they disagree. But it's for tri a lot of people disagree. I don't. I think those people are wrong, Sam, based on nothing in my preconceived notions of what their music should sound like.
01:18:53
Speaker
I don't love it myself. Uh, but I don't know enough. I liked, I liked what was it? One more light. What was that song? See that album. It's all right. I don't, I don't love that one, but I love the hunting party. I love living things. I love a thousand sons. Like I like a lot of their albums. I I'm a big Lincoln park fan. I kind of like didn't listen to them after Meteora until maybe like 10 years ago.
01:19:24
Speaker
And somebody like shared a song with me and I'm like, oh, I kind of like this. And then I went back through and listened to like a whole bunch of their stuff. I love Linkin Park. All right, to be fair, I have not extensively listened to their newer album. So Casey, if you want to send me like, where should I start? If I'm if I'm trying to give a good faith try for the newer stuff, I am doing all man. Do it all.
01:19:42
Speaker
That's too many things. It's not 48 hours of music. i thought I'll just listen to Hybrid Theory and Meteora again and be like, this is the best band a middle schooler has ever heard in their life. i One of the things I find most fascinating about this Linkin Park situation is I keep seeing, I haven't read all of them, but I keep seeing articles of like Chester's mom Chester's son all just being angry. They're like, they're racing their legacy. They're moving on. And then I'm like, well, he could have just not killed himself. I don't. Damn, dude. I know. I know. I don't have a. I know my mind's fucking blurred, but Jesus Christ.
01:20:30
Speaker
sorry Because I have a family member that said that Yeah, maybe something fishy about it. He was working on exposing the elites. Oh, no. Have heard that? No. No, he did. Him and Chris Cornell, both. I've heard about both of them. That's awesome. They were working on.
01:20:54
Speaker
project. They were going to bring some things to life. In between their studio albums and touring schedule, they're like, I'm going to take down the Cabal. Was he on a Epstein flight log that they don't want released? And they're going to be like, he was trying, he only went undercover. I think literally they will just pack anyone's name to their like queue list is like, oh, well, so and so is dad. So probably trying to expose the elites.
01:21:20
Speaker
Uh, anyway, so Chester's mom, Chester's son are doing this thing, like they're trying to erase his legacy, this and that. I, I have a hard time buying that take. I get for them. Like, of course I get why for anyone related to him, it's difficult to watch the band move forward without him.
01:21:41
Speaker
but at the same time like bands do that like there are there's so many bands who have had members die and after some time they replaced and i don't think that that's an act of like legacy replacement you can't replace that legacy i don't know i think just find yourself a new van zamp brother yeah i i think they're just obviously i get why it's a hard time for them but i don't agree i i haven't heard stuff from Chester's mom but I did see clips of his son sounding off and I
01:22:16
Speaker
I get, I get kind of, I got strange vibes from his video. Like, I'm going to be in the front row of the concert and I'm going to be staring them down. Blah, blah, blah. It's like, Oh, it's somebody would go another 15 minutes. I mean, maybe he's having an actual pain to reaction or something, but yeah, a lot of that strikes me as people just, people feel like they have to comment on a story because the story is happening. They can't just let it happen.
01:22:41
Speaker
He's like, Mike Shinoda followed me so that he could say, see what I was saying about it. But then he blocked me. But in one in one and a quote from him, he referred to him as Uncle Mike. Like he would, they're obviously close enough where he referred to him as an uncle. So I don't know. I don't know.
01:23:00
Speaker
At the end of the day, when it comes to that shit, I'm out. I don't have a fucking horse in that race, but ah like the singer. So if you haven't heard that the details of the scandal that's going on. So Lincoln Park recently announced um a new world tour that they've got an album coming out. They put out a new single. And in it, they they have a new vocalist who's ah Oh, God, what's her name? Emily something or other. ah They want. She's good. Female vocalist. Yeah, she's really good. I mean, she has a little bit of Chester's range and some of the same vocal like. Armstrong and everything. And like Armstrong, she was in a band called like Dead Sarah, which I don't think I've ever heard. It doesn't seem like they were overly big like I don't know what now how they know she I i think it's fair to say she's been plucked from relative obscurity like people who knew the band newer but I think most people like me included never really heard anything about them yeah and yeah yeah so she so they've it's been like seven years since Chester committed suicide
01:24:07
Speaker
And, um you know, they've they've released some like old, you know, unreleased songs and stuff like that with him. And I thought like everything that they've done, I thought paid like pretty good homage to Chester, like homage, however he's, whatever the proper way to say that is. um i I haven't had a problem with anything that they've done since Chester,
01:24:32
Speaker
checked out, but they they finally like announced this tour and they put out the new song with the new vocalist. and like Naturally, there's just going to be people that are mad because they have a new vocalist. and it's to and like i I heard like Penguin Zero or somebody like make the point that, hey, they could have gone out and just had tryouts for a Chester look alike, sound alike type guy, you know and just tried to find another Chester to plug in. And they didn't do that. like They went in a drastically different direction, which I think was a good call. you know Yeah. Anything else would have had a perception of disrespect. like A different direction, but she has enough range. of them
01:25:17
Speaker
Right, but she has enough range. She'll be able to do justice to his parts when they play live because, of course, they can't tour and not play the old stuff like they have to. Right. And I think ah so like I think most people were pretty OK with like the whole idea and i the new songs pretty good, I think. I think it's pretty good.
01:25:36
Speaker
Um, but then this like news breaks that, uh, Sarah or Emily Armstrong is one, she's a Scientologist, which is pretty out of fashion at this point. It seems like we haven't, like, it hasn't been confirmed that she is a practicing Scientologist, right? But she is heavily linked to Scientology in a way that like, it seems extremely likely that she was, but she hasn't really said anything. That was my understanding.
01:26:05
Speaker
Yeah, I guess I I guess I didn't get a clarifying. It seems like there's a lot of smoke about it. I mean, it's it's definitely the type of thing you would think somebody would want to clarify really quickly, and she hasn't. I'll see if I can find anything. Yeah. And then so she so if you remember the Danny Masterson.
01:26:23
Speaker
um scandal hold on he's the guy from um I'm super sorry to interrupt I just started typing I just hate that in 2024 this is the world we live in I typed is Emily Armstrong what do you think the top like what do you think the top suggested result is is I'm strong what I don't know a scientist is Emily Armstrong trans. You can't search for anybody now without a man. I was so close. Yeah, sorry. OK. But so she so when when Danny Masterson was like in the midst of his trial and stuff, I was trying to read a little bit about what exactly happened. But basically like at his ah
01:27:11
Speaker
at his court hearing where, like, you know, I think he was just meant to go in and plead like guilty or not guilty or whatever. Right. um And the victims, the three victims that had accused him of of sexual assault and stuff were there in the courtroom. There was a group of people that he brought in to the ah to the event. And it was kind of like a show of force, apparently, like According so the guy that's really sounding the alarm on all this stuff is a this one of the dudes from the Mars Volta Who used to be a Scientologist? Yeah used to be a Scientologist You know it his wife is also one of the victims in the Masterson trial. Oh wow So he's pretty deeply connected to it on both sides and
01:28:03
Speaker
Apparently from what, from what he said, and he's, he's going off pretty hard, but like he's claims that they like surrounded the victims, like on their way out of the courtroom. And it was like, it was like a show of force. They brought a big group of people there and Emily Armstrong was one of them in the group.
01:28:22
Speaker
And basically just made a, you know, made it clear that like they were standing by Danny and, and they were trying to like, I mean, doing Scientology stuff. They're kind of famous at this point for like intimidation tactics and stuff. I mean, they have people followed. They trail people for years that leave the church and stuff. It's a, it's a call, you know? Right. Sorry. Go ahead.
01:28:46
Speaker
So she was present at the at that hearing. As far as I know, that's the only time she was a part of anything on the Masterson trial, but like she and this guy from the Mars Vault to know each other and he's, he doesn't like her. I mean, he's pretty, he's going off hard on this thing and trying to get as much spotlight on her as possible. But basically like that she supported a rapist and.
01:29:11
Speaker
And all that, which is, is hey, it's yeah it's fair. That's a fair criticism. and Her response um is that she showed up out of support for her friend and then upon hearing the accusations and all that, she was like, oh, fuck, I think he's guilty. And then she said that that was the last interaction she ever had with him.
01:29:34
Speaker
right, which I feel like that's, I don't know, it's easy to armchair quarterback this, but that seems like a reasonable thing somebody can, you know, I think someone can have and then on the Scientology stuff, apparently she was photographed at a party.
01:29:46
Speaker
Uh, with a bunch of Scientologists, like a Scientology heavy party in like 2013, and she's never said it publicly about it, but it seems likely also her mom works for the Scientologist church too. The thing is, whether she is a Scientologist or left the church, if she left, she's not going to talk about it. Like.
01:30:04
Speaker
they're They're an incredibly evil organization. That would be such a stupid thing to do. um Like the guy from the Mars Volta, I feel like, really has not talked about it a whole lot since then. Like, I don't know what people want her to do. Come out and say, like, I just went to a party that once, chill. Or, yes, I was a part of the the Scientology church and I'm not at the church of Scientology. I'm not anymore. And then she dies in a car accident. Like, I don't know.
01:30:29
Speaker
Yeah, that's kind of, that's part of my, where I feel about it too is like, I think like everybody that's not a Scientologist is pretty like ready to be like, that's a cult, you know, me included. I think it's a bad organization that does a lot of terrible things, culty activity, that kind of thing. That's a controversial take, but okay. Right, right.
01:30:53
Speaker
But I think like as much as people do that online and in the comments section and stuff like that, like they don't really acknowledge the effect that like a cult has on the people that are in it. It's kind of like they kind of treat so in these types of scenarios. They're trying to treat somebody like like you're in a cult. Why don't you just leave the cult? It's like it's not right. It's not as simple as that. i think Aren't you acknowledging at least some of that by like your criticism of the organization?
01:31:20
Speaker
But they have an immense amount
Celebrity Culture and Apologies
01:31:21
Speaker
of control over people. It's their entire social circle. Like it's their career. It's dude, it's it's touches so many things if you're involved in that group. And to to leave is like turning your life upside down and like, you know, basically being shunned by most people you know. And so for like people online to just like jump in and be like, ah she's a piece of garbage for not calling out the church and leaving.
01:31:48
Speaker
It's just not as simple as that. I feel like it's kind of like a, a, a dismissive sort of childish way to look at it. But she also like, she was at this Masterson trial event thing and, and, you know, it sounds like the crowd did.
01:32:05
Speaker
some pretty ugly things, you know, like surrounding the victims on their way out and they had to be escorted and what, if this guy from Mars Volta is, you know, if he's relaying the specifics clearly. I don't know, man. I just don't know what people really want from her. She made like two statements on it. She apologized for it. She, I thought her apology was like pretty reasonable. I just kind of feel like, you know, what do you, what do you want? Is there any scenario in which you would be like,
01:32:35
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OK, well, thank you for acknowledging that you did something wrong. OK, we're good. Like, that's never how it it's like they want to burn them down, you know, and I just I don't know. I mean, I don't know what I just don't know what people want from some of these people sometimes. And when somebody does like acknowledge wrongdoing and stuff, I think part of the problem, too, is just celebrity apologies at this point are infuriating. and They feel useless. They don't Yeah, you can't saying I do not condone violence against women or anyone else is like
01:33:14
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It's such an annoying statement. Like, oh, you do. Oh, you don't. Right. She has to say something. But what's the point of saying, like, what what are you supposed to do? Convince people of your purity in that moment? Like, it'll never be good enough. They write. They I know Sam is joking around a lot tonight, but like it's people just wanting to watch someone else burn. Like that's a lot of it is they don't care who Emily Armstrong is. They didn't know anything about her.
01:33:38
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they're just mad about something about the situation. and They can turn that on this person that has a couple things about them that make them a good recipient for that hate. A person they don't really know anything solid about, they don't know how much of this information is true. And like, yes, most of us have not gone to a trial supporting like a child rapist, you know, most of us don't have that in our bio. But like, so I bet you could read stuff.
01:34:02
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Yeah, you could recontextualize stuff in people's lives and you could make most people seem a lot more horrible than they actually are to people who don't know anything about it. Yeah. And and whatever there's not much more to say on this. I just don't think as I've made plenty of jokes, this idea of celebrity just burning. It's fun. But it's it's my hatred of this idea that these people are elevated, that watching i don't know watching them just be normal and seeing being normal tank your social status and your career in some way is so wild to me. I don't know. The whole concept of celebrity is wild. But then at the at the same time when you go, it's like politicians, right? You go, we were dunking at RFK Junior earlier. You're like, hey, I have a i have a a closet full of skeletons and I'm gonna do something public. it like What do you want? like
01:34:59
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at some level there's an acknowledgement that if you go public with your life then it's under it gets it goes under a microscope and people can say whatever they want feel whatever they want think whatever they want trash you publicly however they want like when celebrities like i just want privacy leave me in peace i'm like did you say that when you first you when you made your first 10 million dollars no you were happy to give up that privacy when everybody loved you It's like you just have to you have to take that. And for this woman who I know nothing about, it's like I don't know if Lincoln Park didn't do their research before asking her. I don't know if they expected anything different. I don't know if they just don't care because at the end of the day, they are going to sell out every fucking show or who cares. Are are they all saints? Why is Lincoln Park this paragon of virtue we need to look up to? like
01:35:50
Speaker
Who's who does what what makes you think they're better people than she theoretically is? I'm not trying to attack anyone in Lincoln Park, but like why are they a bunch of heroes and she's like a villain? Right. And in like some of this is just redirected rage at the fact that they're like continuing on with their musical careers in in spite of the fact that Chester's and it's like everything that they've done since Chester died, like has kind of been like in reverence to him, you know, it's like everything pays tribute to him and stuff. And it's, he was one guy in this group of, you know, whatever five or six other dudes that are all musicians and all want to, you know, they won't want to keep making music and stuff. And it's like, to be forever tethered to, you know, that event, this guy who, you know, died tragically and stuff, and then have your
01:36:44
Speaker
Your deeds under a microscope because of that is just, it's so strange. And I don't know. It's like, it makes me feel like, I think the big thing. Again, it's just the the public apologies are so, they're so dumb and hollow and meaningless. It's infuriating to listen to anymore. And especially when like the wrongdoing was against another person, you know, like, I don't know exactly what the right way to handle that sort of thing publicly is, but like what I would rather hear from somebody is them to just like, you know, make a video where they're like, Hey, look,
01:37:25
Speaker
What I did was it was wrong. you know It's between me and so-and-so and you know we're in communication about it. I've asked their forgiveness and i'm i'm I'm really sorry for it. maybe you know like hey they don't they they're not interested in hearing my apologies or excuses, you know, and that's their right or whatever. But something that's at least a little more heartfelt, that feels like it's to rest at like, it's a directed at the person wronged, or the group wronged, instead of it's like, hey, general public, here's a here's a humiliation ritual for your viewing pleasure, you know, and and ah please, you know, bestow your your
01:38:07
Speaker
forgiveness and gratitude upon me so that I can keep like trucking and making stuff. Yeah,
Customer Service and Future Guests
01:38:13
Speaker
completely. I could agree more. I think a lot. It's just they do it because they have to appease the public in some way, but it's obviously crafted by a publicist. It's just not genuine. I mean, what apologies are. do i I do not condone violence against women or anyone else. I work with five and six-year-olds. What a stupid statement.
01:38:36
Speaker
And one of them hits another on the playground or throws sand in their eyes. You're like, what do you say? They're like, sorry, like, bitch, you don't mean it. I know you don't mean it. Like like what you can't make people apologize. It's so wild. It's just.
01:38:53
Speaker
You can't make people apologize. That's the whole, that's the whole crux of it. That's all the people go. You owe them an apology and then they go, I'm sorry. And you go, you don't mean it. And you go, I don't, what, what the fuck are we doing here? It's part of the price, the pound of flesh. Sometimes they come for the pound of flesh and you have to give it to them. Yep. And that look that, yeah, that is something that comes with like celebrity deal with it. Not just, not just celebrity. I'm, I mean, Casey, you manage people, right?
01:39:20
Speaker
Yeah. Has anything ever gone bad enough that you have to get chewed out about it, even though like it's a nuanced problem, yada, yada, yada, different things could have happened. But at some point, your job as the person who's in charge is you bear the brunt of whatever people's anger is about that thing. And that's part of it is well, today, people are upset and I'm going to have to receive their upsetness. Yeah, it's it's kind of a All right, Mr. Customer.
01:39:45
Speaker
Tell me how this made you feel. Especially when someone told me it was like Steve Bannon. I mean, that's so unfair.
01:39:52
Speaker
Like, how could they be so mad at you for that? It's crazy. Dude, some people just don't get it. It's the problem. No, no. Yeah, I know. My favorite is when customers like freak out over something that like clearly we talked about beforehand, you know? Like I had this guy that one of, one of my guys, when he was new, we went into the shop and they were like, hey, we want to get started.
01:40:17
Speaker
And this guy, the service manager at this place, he wasn't unfriendly, but he was not interested. Like he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, just do it. And we brought in like this big proposal and we're like, look, this is what we're planning to do. And this is how many of these we're going to stock and all this stuff, you know? And he, like, he would not even look up from his computer for more than like 30 seconds to be like, Oh, okay. All right. Interesting. And how are you going to handle? it He had no questions, no input, anything.
01:40:44
Speaker
he was just like uh-huh uh-huh okay yeah that's great yeah that's great just talked to so-and-so and yeah we left him the proposal and went in and you know set him all up got all the stuff in place and everything and then like it it wasn't even right away it was like two days later he calls and just screams about like, like, you're a bunch of, you know, thieves and crooks, and how could you sell me $7,000 worth of blah, blah, blah? And it's like, all of this was on paper in front of you. You just have to be like, yeah, I guess we really betrayed your trust. Oh, we're so sorry. All right, we'll buy it back. And you just wish death upon them for days, weeks and months afterwards.
01:41:33
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I hope you die. I hope your heart gives out and you choke on like a cocktail. No, that's heard that's too easy. I hope his pillow is always warm and a little moist. Oh, yeah. That's it. Yeah. And that erase me forever plays in his earbuds. Well, I mean, he's just going to be enjoying some bangers. I don't really see what the problem is there. I don't think so.
01:41:56
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I hope your socks always feel damp and I hope you have to listen to Drake music for the rest of your life. And not his hits. I hope you have to listen to the other 17 songs on each Drake album. and that all of your mouths do And that all of your Mountain Dew is filtered through a sock. My faith, my family, my freedom, that's what's back in me.
01:42:19
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That's what's attacking me. o He freed the irony of freedom backing him when it's like something that that's not backing you. I mean, I guess it could up until it doesn't. It's kind of a privilege. Sam, you're doing you're doing too much work here. Stop doing the work. All right. All right. Cut to a scene of John Cooper just just dumping used oil in a river. um Well, we made it to 200 episodes. Here we did here we go. i Whoever would have thought, 200 episodes, we skill it, under oath, youth group, RFK. What else do we get out of this one? This is Linkin Park. We covered the gamut. Linkin Park, yeah. There's a bunch of things.
01:43:05
Speaker
You guys can for everyone. That's what we are. We're something for everyone is what I like to say. I've always said that. I've always said we're something for everyone. And very little for most people.
01:43:22
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ah Well, yes, thank you all for listening. We really appreciate it. um It is weird to think that we've, we've done 200 of these. I mean, most of which are like two hours long. That doesn't even count fellowship Friday. Yeah. We had a bunch of those back in the day. I mean, it's literally like, we probably got four or 500 hours of talking under our belt on here and we know so little.
01:43:50
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yeah like I think you could, it's like when they're like, oh, if you, you know, I love the Christian, I was, I was reading a Christian post on Quora earlier today. of course that was like How do you find yourself in these situations, Casey? I was just like, I wonder what they're talking about on there. And it's like, if you unrolled a DNA strand into a straight line, it would be 200 trips around the sun.
01:44:16
Speaker
like yeah Okay. Cool. Before, evolution's is not real. and There are more molecules in a drop of water than there are stars in our galaxy, but like what am I supposed to do with either of those pieces of information? I don't know, man. One of them's bigger than the other. Yeah. Atoms are small, and there's a lot of them. What small are atoms or molecules? Atoms. Atoms.
01:44:42
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What's smaller than atoms? Quirks, right? Quirks? Quirks? Quirks? I'm looking it up. It's atoms are smaller than molecules. They're the smallest building blocks of matter. And they're made of quirks. What's an atom made out of? Nitrogen. Nitrogen are composed of protocol of particles called protons, electrons, and neutrons.
01:45:06
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and the quarks orbit deal. Why you keep saying quarks somewhere. That is a word that's in my brain and I know it's something very small. I can't think of what it is. ah Stop trying to make quarks happen. Quarks are not happening.
01:45:24
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Everybody, I just want you to, uh, you know, we're going to end the episode here, but I want you to keep meditating on quirks and, uh, it could be with a K or a T. Google both just in case. Twerks.
01:45:38
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just dont Don't or do Google Twerks. Yeah. Can you save search off? But yes, thank you for listening and, uh, we'll see. We got some cool, we got some cool guests coming up. Um,
01:45:53
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we'll We'll wait to reveal who who we've got coming, but we've got a really exciting one next week that we're very pumped to talk about, especially given all the stuff going on and the in the Middle East and in Eastern Europe right now.
01:46:09
Speaker
Uh, we're, we're pumped to talk to somebody who's been such a ah stalwart anti-war guy. Um, and then a few other people that, that, uh, are in the works too. Sam, Sam be booking. So finally that's some fun stuff coming up. So yeah, thanks for listening. Don't forget to join our discord. If you're not in there already, find a link on our, uh, Instagram page and we will see you next time.