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Ep. 225 – The House That David Built: Gooner on the Roof w/ Calvin Cadoret
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This week we’re joined by musician and old friend of Sam, Calvin Cadoret! We’ve been hearing a lot of hoopla about House of David on Prime, and decided to give the pilot a watch. For those of you with a better algorithm than me, House of David is a historical drama series following the life of King David. Reviews were mixed… Calvin’s band Loudsounds brings a really interesting blend of “atmospheric, heavy, melodic, moody alt-fusion” that we love! Their new song “Phobia Note” is an absolute banger, and they plan to release other new songs before dropping their album this fall. Follow them Instagram, TikTok, and Youtube (@loudsoundsband), and keep an eye out for new music coming soon!
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Transcript
Humorous Cults and Meeting Calvin
00:00:00
Speaker
if you if If every traveling show was basically the product of a different cult, which one do you think would be the worst to join? I feel like Blue Man Group would have to they'd have to be way up there.
00:00:14
Speaker
if there If they were cult? Yeah. I don't know. It seems... Blue Man might kind of be pretty fun. I might be hanging on pipes and trash cans. right Traveling, traveling. troop I mean, what else is really traveling anymore besides like the Ringling Brothers? Yeah, the w Ringling Brothers, Riverdance, any Disney on ice, I guess.
00:00:37
Speaker
That might be the worst. The Search to Slay. Yeah, that might be a nightmare, actually. Yeah, I'll join Blue Man Group gladly if that's the call. I'm away.
00:01:14
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. I'm Casey. And today we are joined by my old friend, Calvin Catteret.
00:01:25
Speaker
Calvin Catteret. What's up, man? Hi. Hello, everyone. Great to be here. Very excited. Mucho excited. it's actually It's funny because ah this you sound I love that you haven't changed octaves.
00:01:40
Speaker
You're just keeping it a straight line for us. um Yeah.
00:01:45
Speaker
So, i have for the listeners, I've known Calvin. ah Calvin, I think we met when I was... I must have been 17. Yeah. Because I was driving around.
00:01:58
Speaker
yeah Yeah. And I was doing some driving. i had I was rocking the Negotiator 1, believe, when we met. Yes. and The Negotiator 1 and 2 were 1990 and 1989 Dodge Caravans, respectively. Yep. And so...
00:02:16
Speaker
um yep and so I still remember the smell. Oh, dude. Because it was a friend's old work van. It had that like oil smell, like kind of WD-40, like a little sweetness to it.
00:02:31
Speaker
Oil and socks. yeah That's just like that's the the the cumulative like result of spending 25 years hauling like rotund American children around.
00:02:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's like the the sentence of every caravan.
00:02:49
Speaker
um But it's so we met through um ah a friend, our buddy Jesse, who's ah who's joined us before. um And I've done some speaking ah here and there about how I did the high school band thing. so for the listeners, Calvin, Cal, you were the brainchild. That was your brainchild.
00:03:12
Speaker
Astreus. Would you like to take credit it for that?
High School Band Memories
00:03:16
Speaker
I guess so, yeah. i mean I mean, not to be that guy, but I usually will... Any band that I am in, I'm usually like the little gung-ho guy, the the leader, I guess, because I get bored. The Timland Beasis.
00:03:29
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. I'm the Timland Beasis. Yeah, plotting out hits for all my family members. Similar cult of personality type. you know Yeah, right. right But yeah, that's... Boisterous, muscular.
00:03:43
Speaker
We were your ah average metalcore band. And you you were the screamer. I was. I really wish it hadn't been. totally i we When I started the this podcast, it wasn't too long into it that I was searching for any traces of Astraeus that were left.
00:04:01
Speaker
ah It's, as far as I can tell, completely scrubbed from the Internet. There is nothing left of it. yeah, it would have to have been on my space. And the last time I went on my space, the website was broken. Like I couldn't find like my other metal band Cartagia. So yeah, that's definitely, unless it's actually good one.
00:04:21
Speaker
Yeah. And actually, one yeah, I, it's probably, it's probably a CD. We probably have, somebody has a CD somewhere. Somebody must have have to hear it. it ah Yeah. I would like to just put ah just after doing this for so long and having it come up, I would love to put it,
00:04:37
Speaker
out there for people to hear and to understand exactly where we were at the time. I still will go to bat for you, man. Like, obviously you've grown as a musician, but I'm not going to just shit on entirely. You guys, you wrote some, ah you had some cool riffs there even back in the day.
00:04:56
Speaker
um Thank you. But it was, it is compliment in there somewhere. Well, you know that candid you know, it took it took a it takes a little while to ah master song structure and things like that.
00:05:08
Speaker
But I really don't have like I i don't know if I'm just biased towards my friends. But when I think of like all the other high school bands that I was familiar with, which wasn't a lot because I was homeschooled and I was lucky you guys accepted me into your group.
Religious Upbringing and Purgatory
00:05:24
Speaker
That's right. but i Homes to a weirdo. i mean That's right. I'm very lucky. um But i i yeah oh actually thought it was fine for compared to like just what people were doing. i was like and it's what At the time, I was like, this is probably the coolest, best stuff I've ever heard in my life. like it was Finding you guys as a friends group was like huge for me as someone who was entirely enveloped in a church social structure. um
00:05:55
Speaker
You guys were like my first group of friends outside of that. ah My first group of friends who introduced me to ah just a wider variety of music and stuff like that. So I attribute my friendship with you guys as like saving me socially in a sense, because I was struggling before that.
00:06:15
Speaker
Yeah. ah Do you remember when we first met or what we were doing? i It's funny because I i i don't know if this is the first time we met, but we I remember finger-picking scalloped potatoes off your... Lukewarm scalloped potatoes off your countertops.
00:06:33
Speaker
Oh, wow. Okay. yeah ge that's i think I believe Jesse took me to... There was like a... a lake or something in Rutland. Is there a lake in Rutland or like, yeah long resort.
00:06:48
Speaker
And I think there was like a cookout happening and there's other friends. um Cause he was like, Oh, want you to meet my friend, Sam. And he can, he can scream. Cause at the time our other singer had left or like we kicked him out or something. don't remember.
00:07:05
Speaker
Cause he, I don't know if we thought he was good or not, but that's where I met you. I remember like that's crazy the area, but I don't remember what else happened. It's like, it was just like visual memories. I don't remember what we talked about.
00:07:19
Speaker
yeah i actually don't that's so funny i do not remember i remember occasionally hitting up like long pawn parties with jesse because he knew people who did cool stuff and um that i don't have the memory of meeting you there i really i thought we met first at your house that's so funny um i remember when i would try out though i was just like this is that was probably the most scared i'd ever been i had never like tried to do any i don't put myself out there in that way or hadn't um I don't think I would hum in public in general. Like I pretty self-conscious. I knew I couldn't sing, ah which was nice for finding ah my way into metal, which was like, Oh, I don't have, I could, I could do this and not have to be actually good at anything. Like it's not the skill that some people think it is.
00:08:04
Speaker
ah People who don't listen to it. It's funny. because they're like, Oh, do people do that and i'm like yeah it's a lot easier than singing it's pretty it's just not the same it doesn't require yeah it's much talent do you remember when like you figured out when you could kind of do that or is that sort of like impromptu yeah i'll try it and then that was that the first time you ever did it was when you tried out do you it probably just kind long it I probably just wong it. It's how I've done everything in my life for most most of it. So i imagine that's right. Sometimes got to wong it.
00:08:39
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Wong it usually works for a lot. I mean, it's worked for me in a lot of the times, like projects in school. like I do them the night of or the day before, like two days before and I get an A or b i'm Maybe more like a B, actually, because I didn't try. i could have been an A student, but I i was not.
00:08:57
Speaker
I'm still kind of on that schedule as a 36-year-old man in grad school. It's like, I should probably start this paper. It's due in 12 hours. Oof.
00:09:08
Speaker
I can't imagine being in school. Yeah, I would rather die. Well, I might. It's getting close. Things are rough. I get about a month left, though, so we're going to power through and and appreciate life on the other side.
00:09:22
Speaker
Yeah. But so Cal, one of the things that I think is funny is we, you grew up, oh, actually help me understand this. Cause I, when I met you, I know your, your mom was, was Christian.
00:09:37
Speaker
um ah believe when I met you, yeah, your mom and Bill were together. um So Christian mom and stepdad and You did or did not? Did you, grow did you grow up in that or is the Christian thing a little bit later for your mom?
00:09:54
Speaker
Um, so my, my mom's always been relatively religious, uh, when I was younger. Uh, think what really, ah was the catalyst for her to go into the next, I guess, uh, tier of Christianity. i don't know. Like, uh,
00:10:09
Speaker
would be when it's tears. Yeah. Yeah. Tears. Yeah. Echelons. echelons Yeah. Uh, probably when my parents got a divorce, uh, then she went hardcore more Christian. And then that's how she met my, uh, stepdad bill.
00:10:24
Speaker
Um, I went to church as a kid. I, I somehow got baptized. Um, good dude. Great. We'll see you in heaven. I'll be, yeah, I'll be in heaven. So I, I, I at least lucked out there, even though like I'm complete sinner, but you know, but,
00:10:39
Speaker
ah You can play bass in the praise band.
00:10:45
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um But yeah, so it was probably with their, when they got a divorce, she got pretty hardcore into it with Bill. And I was definitely more so the black sheep because I was not, I was never really, I never clung to it. I only clung to it when my parents told me how to go to church.
00:11:03
Speaker
Well, my mom, that's crazy. what So when did you like up until what age did you go to church with your parents? I'm trying to think. I feel like I must have been a teenager or just about a teenager because i must have gotten baptized at.
00:11:20
Speaker
It was late. It was later. I wasn't baptized as a kid. um You voluntarily walked into that wading pool. that All they did for me was just dump a bowl water on my head or whatever and said, you're baptized. I was like, okay. Really? i had Yeah.
00:11:36
Speaker
i didn't i didn't get that I didn't get the tank. i didn't get the dunk tank. They didn't throw like any like baseballs at a target for me. You're not an expert anymore, but you might not be going to heaven. You have to be a ah submerged.
00:11:47
Speaker
Oh, wow. I'm going to be in limbo for air purgatory then. and like Because when you're submerged, you're buried in the likeness of Christ. And what is it? How do they say it? ah i'm I'm forgetting the, ah the motto. It's a rate buried with the likeness of Christ.
00:12:04
Speaker
Right. I don't know. Raised to fucking have a new life or some shit. I don't know. What do you think purgatory will be for you? Will you be like forever trying out for like 2022 deftones or something like that? Not making it.
00:12:21
Speaker
I would i had have to imagine it's something like that, but the land every time I think of purgatory and this is just my own mind, i just think of like Utah, and I feel like I'd just be in Utah. like Big mountains everywhere, um just kind of stuck there, because there's nothing really out in Utah.
00:12:37
Speaker
One person's purgatory is Casey's heaven. Yeah, that doesn't sound so bad. Casey's like, if that's purgatory, I'm going kill myself right now. I think i think my my purgatory will be... um I'll have to stand in line and listen to someone I don't know story like waiting to check out at the store.
00:12:59
Speaker
Oh, that's actually like hell. I don't know. ah Yeah, maybe that's too far. Because I was going to say mine would be being on the beach with compete with like conflicting.
00:13:10
Speaker
ah JBL speakers on multiple sides of me, but I think that might be hell too. um It might be purgatory if they're at a respectable volume, but if it's, man, if it's a little too loud, it it quickly goes from purgatory to hell.
00:13:25
Speaker
is pur What is the actual definition of purgatory? Is there pain and suffering at at any level there? Or is it like a, ah just a sort of blasé type of environment where it's just like, it's the celestial DMV.
00:13:40
Speaker
Oh, okay. Yeah, right. That that makes more sense. At least you have your phone and you can do like, you can play games on it at least probably the DMV. Yeah. It might take those away. It's ah you, you have your soul, there's just no. So yeah, exactly. yeah it Yeah. Cause purgatory is the, is the, well, I didn't believe in it cause I was a real Christian and not one of those fake ass Catholic fucks, but it was, um it's where shots fire you die and you like,
00:14:07
Speaker
and you like you're just chilling and like, it's a waiting room and right people can like pay the church or just pray ah for your soul. And hopefully like when you build up enough, you know, points on earth that you win and you go to heaven, essentially. Oh, you get your redemption points.
00:14:30
Speaker
Yeah. Collect enough cans. Right. I'm sure a good Catholic would tell me why I described that really dumb, but, I'm going to, aren't you kind of waiting for like your extended family to like, uh, fund your Kickstarter basically before you go into heaven.
00:14:45
Speaker
That's it. it's like That's really what purgatory is. Kickstarter.
00:14:50
Speaker
you just perpetually making videos like okay guys wanted to give you a little update uh things are progressing slowly if you if you send me 250 dollars you'll get a signed copy of my face um and a copy of my record there and a t-shirt perks are are not in the mail yet the rewards are not of it uh but i do plan to get to those this week uh i'm having trouble with my stamps.com membership dude send me to hell know instead just waiting can you imagine just waiting in the void just wondering like what's it's just such a i really the concept is wild i didn't realize until we had a guest on whose episode hasn't come out yet that
00:15:38
Speaker
The concepts for the idea of purgatory were mostly from the book of Enoch, which is not in the biblical canon. And it should be. ah That's our that needs to be our next book.
00:15:52
Speaker
If we don't make it through all 600 chapters of the book of Mormon. yeah It's the biblical Silmarillion. ah wow It's like that. It's cool. The book of Enoch is actually kind yeah i mean It's a lot more like mythic. um you know You have like giants and quote-unquote watchers and half-angel, half-human hybrids. It's kind of kind of cool.
00:16:15
Speaker
If you had that in the Bible, I think a lot of people would be Christian because that's pretty cool. Yeah, they'd be it'd be more fun. Unfortunately, the Bible... I mean, no offense, anyone's listening isn't cool because you don't have any of that cool shit in there.
00:16:28
Speaker
It's not cool. You get, you get a twinge of it in Genesis. Uh, you get some, yeah, that's probably the coolest thing or the last one. ah what's Revelation. revelation yeah Yeah, that one's pretty metal.
00:16:40
Speaker
Yeah, real brutal, real violent. Yeah. yeah lot of of that image A lot of that imagery has made it into ah some cool things.
00:16:50
Speaker
Cool music, cool art, so movies left behind. i mean Some
Music Preferences and Media Habits
00:16:55
Speaker
of it. Because I feel like some of it is really cool sounding and then some of it, i even as a kid, I was like, i that sounds really... He's got ten heads and 10 horns on 10 heads. And like, that sounds really stupid.
00:17:10
Speaker
ah Until you learn that horn is a euphemism for penis and you realize they have a bunch of strap-ons on their head. Dragons with, wow with chin does, dude, you telling me that's not cool. Basically like skin flute dreads.
00:17:22
Speaker
Wow. It's very sexual. Damn. It is. There's a lot, a lot more when you look at it on a deeper level. crazy. So you didn't care about it. You were just like, you got baptized. They dribbled some water on your head and then, uh, you just never cared. Was that a, was there any point of contention? Was your, uh, would that, was it, uh,
00:17:45
Speaker
Any like pleading or begging or convincing going on there negotiating? um i don't think there was any any pleading, but maybe there is some contention because when my parents but I live with my mom and obviously Bill had come over.
00:18:02
Speaker
um And I think I remember a story. I can't remember what I said to him, but yeah well it was one of the very first times that he had been over. And I definitely was trying to push his buttons like a usual kid does to their, you know, potential step person or their mom's new boyfriend or you know, and I had said something about like kind of bashing religion. And he definitely jumped down my throat. I really wish I remember what I'd said to him, but he he he got into it with me. I was like, all right, this guy really, like really likes this stuff.
00:18:37
Speaker
So, uh, that was probably the only contention thing. I think my mom always wanted me to be a more of a spiritual person, in tune with God. But I just never, i it just never really resonated with me as far as something that needed to be in my life.
00:18:56
Speaker
Um, cause it's like, I mean, it was kind of silly. It all sounded silly to me. Just like, this is just, is make believe. Um, I grew up believing in all this stuff. But I think also the the thing that definitely was was a portion of why I didn't want to believe is probably because of deep down my parents got a divorce. And I said I didn't want to you know adhere to any type of...
00:19:21
Speaker
um you know, correction in, in religion or anything. So I was like, yeah, no, screw this shit. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not obeying to that. So that makes sense. I get the divorce thing. Uh, I can imagine had an impact. It's funny. Cause it's like, you know, I,
00:19:38
Speaker
when I met you, um your parents were already divorced and it's like the, the, the toll that takes on kids in the feelings it brings out in generates, it so it's different one across the spectrum, but, um,
00:19:54
Speaker
i always I never really think too much about it in regards to its impact on religious families. or the good I mean, I didn't know a ton of families who got divorced because there were a lot of parents who should have in the church, and they're like, divorce is wrong. So they just like feel like, they oh, we're going to stay together.
00:20:13
Speaker
ah And then, of course, it crumbles later. But yeah, really, they stay together in our... Yeah, that's their purgatory. Yeah, yeah. um Cause your dad, uh, was he a religious person or is it just your mom?
00:20:27
Speaker
Um, I mean, my dad's like a spiritual person. i he doesn't go to church. I mean, maybe he might pop in every now and then like on a, what's the, I mean, I guess Easter is probably the thing that people want to like kind of show their faith or something.
00:20:41
Speaker
Cause that's like the big day. Right. Um, but I don't really think he's really done that in a long time. He used to kind of do that. He would go to church every now and then with me, he, But he was too busy painting and like working on his art. So I kind of just wanted to be more like him and not go to church.
00:20:58
Speaker
So yeah, it's probably the other reason why. Yeah. It's funny because if you have the option, it's like church isn't the most. Like I liked it because, but I think my connection to it in a lot of ways was like, it was my only social outlet outside of my home. So I like looked forward to it. That's a good point.
00:21:15
Speaker
um And I was so entrenched in it that I didn't have any concept of whether or not I believed it or not. It's like, it wasn't an option ah to believe it or not believe it was like being, you know, you take your science class, you take your history. I was like, just being told what was true. And you just, of course I accepted it. It didn't strike me as silly when it's like your entire social structure.
00:21:35
Speaker
Yeah. yeahp And you're just like, yeah, of course this is cool. This is normal. Like, like I said, you guys were like the first people I met outside of that circle. um And you were never, know,
00:21:46
Speaker
Weird about it. There's never arguments, occasional conversations, but um I could think of times where I was probably a little little bit annoying about it. Oh, ah yeah.
00:22:00
Speaker
I'd love to hear this because a lot of that I don't remember. like Which is... frank ily I just... Anything that has anything to do with that, I'm just like, yeah, I'll just get it out of my memory because don't care about it. It's funny because that was a lot of it like why we yeah we stopped the band, essentially. It was like, well, you're going to be leaving for college soon, but I hadn't and I wasn't for a while.
00:22:22
Speaker
And it was it it was just a thing that it got a ah little... I think it got a little tiresome for you guys that I wanted to, um you know, as a vocalist, I was writing some of the shittiest lyrics of all time and you were writing them before that, but I was like trying to, trying to make things like subtly Christian. And I know that that was a little bit,
00:22:46
Speaker
of a grind. um And then um I could think of the time I wore the abortion as homicide shirt to that palladium. shirt Oh, now I remember that. Oh, God, that one's burned into the memory. van We have a picture that, I think.
00:23:03
Speaker
Yeah, ah I wish it would post on showing up. I think I posted on discord. It was ma Mason had our friend Mason had long hair and he's completely bald now. So it's kind of fun to see that.
00:23:14
Speaker
yeah You had that fucking shirt. Oh my God. Yeah, I'm sorry. That was, ah you know, and I dude, it's so funny because I didn't even have the cognitive faculties to be like, I bet this is this is annoying for everybody but me. Like I was like, I grew up in this world. It's like if you didn't like boldly proclaim your shitty thoughts about everything, then you were you were just not even real, dude. You were just a fucking poser in this game.
00:23:42
Speaker
And we're a proof workman. Were we heckled? Were we heckled for that shirt? i feel like I'm remembering somebody say things in the crowd. i distinctly remember abortion rules.
00:23:56
Speaker
Okay. That's pretty cool. That's the one i remember the most. um Yeah. it was ah That was not... Where'd you get that show? Purple Door in Pennsylvania at Christian Music Festival. remember that store.
00:24:10
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Show, yes. so Yeah. Yes. Great bands. I saw August Burns Red before their first LP. ah Saw Still Remains. so like Great bands ah got to see there before they hit their... ah their break whatever that meant for that time and music but um yeah it was weird i you know i i i remember that dis the dissolving conversation of it and uh of the band and like just that it it it came up that um me trying to
00:24:44
Speaker
to push things in the direction of my faith was, uh, annoying for everybody else. And of course they were right. And I was wrong because I was just I was invited into that shit. Like what the fuck was I doing? It's like, uh, but anyway, a lot of that was insecurity too. Like I, I wanted to fit in, but I also felt like if I didn't do this thing, then I was like turning my back on ah bunch of other things. Uh, it definitely made it difficult to try to fit in it to the point where like,
00:25:13
Speaker
The thing that I find funny is I was like, there were moments where I was like, I know for a fact that Cal kind of hates me. I think he doesn't like me.
00:25:24
Speaker
I don't know if that's ever crossed my mind, but that's probably not you your shirt. And I'm like, just your shirt. But it's just, I would do things. I would do things and you would just respond to it. Like, I don't think so.
00:25:36
Speaker
I'm not feeling that. And I'm like, I being a very insecure person was like, Oh God. Okay. I see where this is going. sorry i i obviously can be a very blunt person when it comes to that type of shit so probably didn't help that but the irony is i was being blunt and then when i was receiving it ah back i was like internalizing it in a way that made no sense while you're just responding to it and then letting it like then you would just kind of let it go by the wayside it was fine well you had a a firm idea of
00:26:10
Speaker
what the band was and where you wanted it to go. Much like Tim Lambies. I could have been a few more pushups. I, I could have taken me over and been the Tim Lambies. I think you need a little bit more roids.
00:26:25
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Yeah. A couple handfuls. It probably would have done me good. him he's Never really been in shape, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's, uh,
00:26:37
Speaker
what ah What bands were you like into at the time when you guys were like playing music together and stuff? um For me, I mean, I definitely had the the ah best of both worlds because I had a lot of you guys kind of showing me Christian bands that were kind of cool, like at the time, like um Haste the Day. ah Yeah, yeah. yeah underwrote That was when Under Earth was kind of Christian still. um still there Still remains.
00:27:03
Speaker
What was that band that was like from Sweden that was like black metal? Extol? Yeah, Extol. They were sick. They're still sick. Very cool. They are. um But out of that, I mean, the other bands that were not, that were secular, ah would be like, I think, like obviously, like, Kill Switch and Gage.
00:27:25
Speaker
um Bands I don't like to listen to it anymore, like Shadows Fall ah and all that metalcore crap. Atreyu. Oh, God. Atreyu.
00:27:37
Speaker
Talk about a band that fell off, though. Like, if you go back and listen to old Atreyu, and then you go in, like, you listen to whatever the most recent thing they put out. They turned into a butt rock band completely. Oh, for sure.
00:27:49
Speaker
It's horrific. The two the mester records are great, though. Still kind of good. Dude, they haven't fallen off. they I'm i looking at it now. They get 1.5 million monthly listeners on Spotify. That's everyone that's our age, though.
00:28:03
Speaker
Yeah. They're not getting new fans. I bet their top songs are from their first couple albums. oh ah Yeah, absolutely. Because another band that was like that was All That Remains. They went full, full cock rock.
00:28:16
Speaker
Yeah, I never I never really got into that band. Like I like a couple of songs. Every time I bring that up, like our friends are like, you never liked All That Remains. Like, not really, dude. They're kind of like cornball metalcore. I just never liked it.
00:28:31
Speaker
And now they're kind of like weirdly libertarian. And I'm just like, no, I'm not into that. No, it's not my thing. Well, like your 2000 meals poster. Oh yeah.
00:28:42
Speaker
Shout out to Nish D'Souza. Yes. Yeah.
00:28:49
Speaker
I feel like you're the first person who used this term that stuck with me, but it's um like military veteran rock or military rock. Yeah. Like yeah three doors down service. Definitely that. so But like the slightly heavy tree stuff would be like Creed definitely toes the line there too.
00:29:09
Speaker
They do. ah i'll I'll always have a soft spot for Creed though. it's not oh same Let's not go too far. Human clay slaps.
Review of 'House of David'
00:29:17
Speaker
Hmm. I does. You know who holds up? You know who holds i pe POD? There it is. I love POD.
00:29:26
Speaker
yeah i did like ah that. ah What was the the record? was Was it just called Southtown or whatever? Fundamental Elements of Southtown. Yeah, that record. i I remember buying that Strawberries. i love that record.
00:29:40
Speaker
Can't forget the fundamentals. yeah it ah CD. The rap rock era, man. It just is that one coming back. What do you think?
00:29:50
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Because a lot is coming back right now. Is rap rock coming back? um I mean, everything's like a wheel, as Stephen King would say. um Yes. Everything is a wheel. Yes.
00:30:02
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Cause a wheel. um Yeah. I mean, there are some elements of rap rock. I feel like what happens is that everything comes around and there's good stuff that's from the original era, but it comes back and gets polished into a new light of like,
00:30:17
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oh, you should, you know, this is how you will, I guess, refine that genre a bit more. um But obviously attaching other things that are embarrassing with it, but refining the stuff that was back then. So there's definitely a rap rock presence because I mean, new metal or new core um is ah definitely coming back.
00:30:39
Speaker
It is back. It's like, oh, biggest. Definitely. Like, uh, I was thinking i'm all about it. I like I kind of am too. I'm fine. Like, okay. It's refreshing. This is the question then, because I feel like they're, they, they have a huge fan base, but it's a little polarizing.
00:30:56
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ah but probably I feel that way mostly because it's polarizing and our mutual friend group, um, bear tooth. I think bear tooth is the epitome of like bringing back like the new metal kind of butt rock, but keeping it classy.
00:31:12
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ah Where do you land? Never listen to them. Never listen to them in my life. No, that's crazy. me How is that even possible? me, and don't i don't want to offend you, but I think Beartooth lies in the co-worker metal pocket. I think they're definitely a co-worker metal band.
00:31:28
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i Them, Sleep Token. no Bring me the horizon. Hey, some of these bands I like some stuff from. I'm not saying that that to be coworker metal is that you're a bad band. It's just come on. It's coworker music.
00:31:43
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ah Bring me Horizon. i mean, now Architects is kind of co-worker, but I do like Architects. Yeah. I think Beartooth is definitely a ah is a highlighted but a co-worker band for sure.
00:31:56
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I've never listened to accessible. It's like there's an accessible pop element to it. It's like that, like high octane radio kind of. Yeah. I mean, overly polished rock or very, very polished metal.
00:32:09
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It's a little of both. They have metal core elements. It's definitely not metal. ah Yeah, it's metal core adjacent. um It's pretty simple. There's nothing like there's no wild riffs. It's just vibes and feelings and great like ballad hooks.
00:32:26
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um And it's glamorous, dude. It's they're massive now. And it's very like they're, you know, their singer goes through wardrobe changes throughout the show. His shirt's open, you know.
00:32:37
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We're back on like the the glam rock kind of side of of metal. Yeah, there's definitely an aspect of ah fashion throughout a lot of huge bands now, and I'm there for it. um The yeah, the glam thing. I mean, I just like well-dressed people on stage with like the current fashion is what I like, but.
00:32:58
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um not so much the glam, but does he, did they have like sequence? Does he wear like sequence things and like flamboyant I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out some stuff like that later. It's not overly flashy. It's just a lot of, a lot of changes.
00:33:12
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Um, Last time I saw them invent animate opened and they had like a whole vibe going of like white outfits and like really going hard on like a uniform uniform look.
00:33:27
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It was interesting. That's the band that just did that EP with um Silent Planet. Yeah, Silent Planet. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of cool. Yeah. I haven't checked it out.
00:33:38
Speaker
That's a, I guess, well, they're no longer Christian, but I guess that's probably the last de facto Christian band that I really like is Silent Planet. I mean, they used to be. Oh, they don't consider themselves to be anymore. They were like a solid state or tooth and nail shit or something like that, right? I like i like him and his like his views and whatnot, though. um What's his name?
00:33:57
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Garrett or or whatever. I'd love to meet him. think it's Garrett. Yeah. He's got a very worldly view. um He's probably still, you know, a spiritual Christian person, but he's like the type of Christian where it's like, hey, you're aware and you're smart and cognitive. Yeah. Right. You're accepting. Cool. Yeah.
00:34:15
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Yeah. yeah I know Silent Planet is where we ah we've drawn the line. that's That's been a constant point of contention in our Discord. i am not I'm not going to say too much, actually, because I'd love to get carried on the podcast. So moving on.
00:34:35
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um Anyway, so one of the things that I thought would be cool. So we Cal and are coming from different backgrounds. He had some Christian experience.
00:34:47
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He was adjacent to that world, but never had that buy-in. ah i was hook, line, sinker, and it was my life. ah Everyone knows for how long that followed me.
00:34:59
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And
00:35:03
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there's some there's a new show on on Amazon Prime called House of David. And Casey and I have been talking about watching it and doing an episode about it.
00:35:17
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And I thought, what better time to get into that than right now with... a from With a little bit of an insider's and outsider's perspective. Cal, you are a ah you're a media buff. You enjoy television and movies. Yes.
00:35:34
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How many nights a week would you say you're throwing on a movie? I feel like every time you're posting in our Discord, you watch like 200 to 500 movies a day.
00:35:44
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um ah Now I'm probably doing, in a week, I would say anywhere... maybe three to so depending on the week three to seven. I know that's a pretty large, it depends on the week or what's out, but it, it can be ah like three to seven movies a week, but which is a marketed difference from me, which is less, like which is probably like three to five movies a year is where I'm at.
00:36:11
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um Yeah. And you go back to movies. Yeah. don't I'm kind of bored with TV shows. It's too much, too much. i I'm right there with you, man. I, I like there's certain TV shows I do really love to watch, but like, it's kind of a bummer when you get draft, when you get sucked into a TV show and like, I would say five, six episodes in, it just sucks. It's like, I could have just watched, you know, like,
00:36:37
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three or four movies that are either mid or there's three really good movies within there. The TV is just tough. It's just too much, too much shit out there. It's overwhelming.
00:36:48
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i'm I'm right there. Yeah. I have a, I have little time for too many shows. I'm very particular about the ones I watch. Usually it's the ones that everyone that I know are going to be good.
00:37:02
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But when I have more free time, I do occasionally dabble and I have, plenty of times watched an entire season of a show that I will never watch season two of. And I have to finish it. And I don't like that about myself. If I start a season, it's rare.
00:37:18
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Yeah. It's rare. I'll give up on something in the middle of it. Um, The Recruit was the last one that I forced myself to finish the first season of. um That CIA Netflix show.
00:37:32
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um I watched most of it on a plane. And even then, it was just not... I'm like, every episode... And then I keep seeing... and then i i feel like I'm being gaslit. Because then I start seeing like these things... like ah you know Promoted articles about... like how great the show is and how it's renewed for season two and how people can't wait for it. And I'm like, did we watch, is this the show I watched? Cause the show I watched CIA write this review. yeah I love a show about how cool the CIA is.
00:38:05
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Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Cause the show actually kind of shits all over the CIA and how fucking corrupt it is. It's just the characters aren't interesting or endearing at all. It was pretty hokey.
00:38:17
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I wasn't into it, but I made myself watch, uh, eight hours worth probably wow so i hear what i hear your complaint you're uh you're right to criticize uh that waste of time that a tv series can be yeah i'd rather just watch a show that i've seen 20 times you know again don't know like rugrats casually watching my way through like uh curb your enthusiasm again nice oh nice it's so good it's hilarious yes it is i'm constantly on the king of the hill rotation that's yeah you always go that's the like the back pocket tv show that you're pumping one simpsons obviously yeah that would be a good one to throw on and but i think the next one i want to just kind of cycle through uh i haven't i only watched up through season seven if it's always sunny and i feel like that's what i need to just complete
00:39:10
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Love that show. Never seen it all the way through, but I do like appreciate it. It's just a world that I'm like, I have to submerge myself into. Yeah. have to baptize myself into, uh, always sunny.
00:39:23
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Yeah. And it's kind of like, I would say it's like 60, 40, like 60% of the episodes are really good and very funny. 40% like, it was not very good at all.
00:39:35
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It's like, yeah, there's some misses in there, but overall it's like, it's pretty great. Yeah. Yep. But what comes to mind is like some of your like your favorite, like what lives in your head is like some of your favorite movies.
00:39:49
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My favorite movies. Yeah. It's always a rotating thing. I mean, my favorite movie of all time will never change is always going be Jurassic Park, the original. Just as a kid, it just lives in my head. Nice.
00:40:02
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Then I really love the thing, ah Alien. um This movie that I saw recently that is getting restored and re-released is called Sorcerer by William Friedkin, who did um Exorcist.
00:40:18
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It's like, oh my God. So it 1978.
00:40:22
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It's the score is done by Tangerine dream, which is like this really renowned band, but they really found their niche in film scores. um But it's basically this four people and they're trying to deliver dynamite across the jungle.
00:40:40
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And it's completely like bleak, like leaking out nitroglycerin. So one false move and they're going to blow up and explode. So it's so stressful. It's one of my favorite movies now. It's like, holy crap. This is the most stressed out I've ever been in a movie. And it's amazing.
00:40:55
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What's it called? ah Sorcerer. And you've got taing drink you got Tangerine Dream doing these like arpeggiating synths in the background. It's just like, dude, this is this is so good. I recently re rewatched Alien and and the thing.
00:41:10
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Oh, yes. Oh, man, they're so good. The thing I feel like whenever i watched it the first time around, like years and years ago, it didn't have my undivided attention. yep And like going back now and rewatching it, like this movie is so awesome.
00:41:25
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And you, so and you don't know at the end, you still don't know who really isn't infected. Like it's, it's a mystery at the end. It's, it's great. I have never seen it. um You should see it.
00:41:37
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I should, I will. I'm going to, maybe in Halloween or all right. have All right. Well, you can watch. I did. I don't care. Okay. that's watching I don't live. I don't live in seasonal prisons.
00:41:48
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Cal. so I don't either, but sometimes things have a better effect when they're in their season.
Cultural and Religious Discussions
00:41:55
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Like turkey? No. kit Thanks, Killing. Turkey's always bad. Thanks, Killing.
00:42:01
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i I actually do need to um amend a previous statement I made, which was ah watching about but like maybe five movies a year. This has been my year for movies because I did want to. I went and...
00:42:15
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rewatched a bunch of like um like so like franchises so i did do alien oh that's right yeah and you were talking we were talking about that yep the alien thing so i probably watched a lot more movies this year than i ever have and it's uh that's weird that's very weird i love franchises i think that's why i gravitate towards tv like ah franchises like if i can sit down and watch a trilogy like i just i watched john wick four finally uh nice to go and it's like just being able to watch i think i just when I find things I like, I want to stay in that world.
00:42:48
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Yeah. And even if it's not always good, like some of the, some of the alien movies were, as we talked about, not awesome. Predator two was a horrific film that should have never been made, but I still enjoyed it.
00:43:03
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It has its value. Yeah. sir Predator's tough. I mean, there's really only like what the first Predator and I mean, the new Prey is, mean, just a franchise.
00:43:16
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The one with Adrian Brody, dude, that one was awesome. I did like that one. Predators? Yeah, Predators. I think it was Predators. That one was so sick. And now they're both getting like a TV series. Aliens getting... um Yeah, yeah.
00:43:30
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alien earth right i can't yeah really wait about that yeah that's gonna be an absolute blast this comes out this what summer i'm a total nerd out on that yeah can't we ah that's so that's my most anticipated tv show right now yeah um it well maybe the runner-up uh so what let's get let's get back to uh Yeah, we did our tangent. One of the greatest TV series of all time ah that we've we've started. Casey, that we've talked about watching the show ah House of David.
00:44:01
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um Amazon Prime put out a I don't know how many episodes are in it. Six, seven, eight. I didn't look. I said there was a new one last night when I Yeah, it's still going.
00:44:12
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um And when I originally pitched the idea to Casey, I was like, we should do like a ah what ah we should watch this show and review it like and watch the season.
00:44:24
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um that That idea dies with the pilot. I think we're done, um maybe going forward. But ah I was excited to... to do it this week because of how much you, you enjoy media Cal. And, uh, I think you have a pretty critical eye for it in a way that I don't, um, when it comes to,
00:44:46
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you know, the way things are shot, scripting, uh, overall pacing. These are things that you get really, really into. um I'm more of a vibes guy. It doesn't, you know, uh, so I wanted, I was excited for your take. I was glad you were willing to jump in on this little experience with us.
00:45:04
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Uh, cause we all watched the pilot this week. Um, yeah And now we're here to review it ah so the listeners can make a informed decision and whether or not they want to waste any of their time getting into it.
00:45:20
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Join the house of David or not. Yes. how will it oil yeah I'm curious to know initial reaction. go ahead, Cal. I'm curious to know your your guys is first because you have the at least the factual because I was sitting there asking my mom questions the entire time. Like, what the hell is it? Like, what kind of give me the backstory because I don't know who this guy is.
00:45:44
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And she kind of gave me some really good information during it. So that was very helpful. I do appreciate. She's probably going listen to this. So I'm going try not to be so bashful on on religion whatnot, but i love you, mom. ah But she was helpful in telling me like what, who the hell David was. So, well, I thought it was fine for what it was.
00:46:05
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i mean, don't, I don't know. It wasn't, it wasn't as horrifically bad as I was thinking it could be. um But does it stand up as a show? No, not really.
00:46:16
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i think ah it's very hard, given ah the the things that are happening in that part of the world right now, to turn that part of your brain off. they like ye Like, the Ammonites, evil blood drinkers, they've they've persecuted these the Israelites for years. that It's like, okay, well, where where are you standing right now?
00:46:40
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Yeah. And they murdered them all. Oh, but Jesus Christ. Literally. The Amalekites. Yeah. Is it the Amalekites? Amalekites and cannibals.
00:46:52
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Boy, they're evil. They portray them, man. The way that they portray them to just feels kind of fucked up. Like ah not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but ah Israel does defeat the Amalekites. And um the the command by the prophet Samuel was to wipe them out entirely and not to take any of their belongings. None of their nothing, nothing from them. No livestock, no slaves,
00:47:20
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Wipe everything out, man, woman, child, boom. But they keep for themselves the king of the Amalekites and kind of like chain them up in like ah the in the way that ah Channing Tatum style ah from this is the end, you know? Yeah.
00:47:37
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And yeah they make him just like the super witch doctory type where he's like drawing in the dirt to cast spells. And he's just, yeah, they're cannibals, they're blood drinkers. The king of the ancient people is like a raving mad lunatic trying to draw runes into the dirt and curse people and stuff like that, you know? Right.
00:48:01
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So archaic as a person. yeah What about him looked like he could lead any army into anything? you know in there like It looked like that would have been an easy one. He only knows incantations.
00:48:15
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Yeah. ah So that was like... that You're right, Casey. I had a hard time with that, too. um Just... it They're not the most sympathetic people right now when when you're listening to or watching them talk about you know God's command to wipe out their worthless, useless, meaningless enemy off the planet. You're like, this feels a little... We don't feel far enough away from this still. and that's ah History is a wheel, baby.
00:48:47
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It's a wheel. Back on that wheel. He's coming back. That's right. um My initial take was just, God, I felt, I actually thought it was really bad.
00:48:58
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Okay. okay the I thought the script and the pacing and the jumping back and forth of it was really frustrating. I was felt actively annoyed by you how, like, it would, like, flash to a scene of David doing something for four seconds and then just jump right back to um ah Jonathan doing his, like, son of Saul.
00:49:21
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doing his little like military campaign stuff. And the, I think, so the pilot, um, ah really the, the whole pilot, uh, is it starts with David kind of running out to fight Goliath, right? We, we get teased here.
00:49:38
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Um, Goliath is huge. Um, probably actually seems like it's a larger representation than the biblical narrative was, but, um, um Goliath is massive. David runs out. Goliath is launching spears. It looks like David gets hit. He's laying down.
00:49:52
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Boom. Cut back to like a year ago, whatever. And then we get the story. So they're trying to build up this like excitement. And I just felt like it didn't work at all. Like I didn't care. You didn't feel like...
00:50:05
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interested And i don't know if that's related to my understanding of the story already. So it didn't build any sort of excitement for me, but it didn't have like this, um,
00:50:17
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Epic feeling that it felt like they were trying to capture to make you be like, I can't wait to see what happens later. i think it just felt try hard.
00:50:28
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Yeah. I think honestly, as a story pacing goes, I think it would have been more ah effective to just kind of start from the, from the very ah start of the story, not show us anything with the David Glythe and then lead up to something that we all think pretty much know about whether you're christian or not the david goliath and like oh shit this is the dude not in just showing us oh there's this battle and then go all the way in the back no build this and let's get some sympathy for this character and kind of build it naturally as as it progresses and then the end is that i thought that was a little strange personally no i i completely agree i did take a lot of notes while um
00:51:08
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going through it. a lot of it was just the general idea ah to capture this the pacing and the story itself, but eight It tries to, so most people listening probably have a familiarity with the narrative itself, but um again, fear fairly disjointed.
00:51:24
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um The other thing I didn't like is the oh in the opening, they they're speaking in English and then occasionally in Hebrew when they're quoting like the Torah and then like back to English. And I'm like, this is pulling me out too. like youre You're going from English to Hebrew, back to English. When we know the entire thing is supposed to be Hebrew, like You're not a bilingual group people group, and this just feels like... It just feels the time... subtitles?
00:51:50
Speaker
It's just... I would probably rather subtitles, or don't just... They're speaking Hebrew. Why are they also speaking... Like, why... is it in English? And then they're going to Hebrew when they read the ah Torah, like just either do it in Hebrew. intrope It bothered me.
00:52:09
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I do it in Hebrew or do it in English. And then we don't need, we know, we know it's Hebrew. We know those people did not speak English and it did not exist as a language until later.
00:52:19
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um I just, I don't like the blending. It bothers me a little bit, but basically it the the pilot is ah they introduce, um, Saul is kind of just a dick, like just kind of power drunk, you know,
00:52:34
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um The prophet Samuel was the one who anointed Saul and was like, you're going to be, you'll be Israel's first king. ah Samuel was the Caucasian of the yeah Caucasian Samuel. Yeah.
00:52:47
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Yeah. He's the end of a line of judges. ah You go from the book of judges to ah first, second Samuel, first and second king. So um they kind of just set that whole stage.
00:52:59
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um Jonathan is the son of David. I mean, of st Jonathan is the son of Saul. um Jonathan's the one who's leading the Israelites in the battle while Saul kind of just does his kingly shit.
00:53:11
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um I'm wondering, Casey, do we get to a point where we get to see a little bit of that Jonathan-Saul gayness that we've been so interested in over the years?
00:53:22
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Jonathan David? Yeah, sorry, Jonathan David. Do we get... Do you think they... ah That's the only thing I'm interested in. Jonathan's got a guy real stick up his butt.
00:53:34
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there's so there's there's some There's homosexuality in this ah lineage It depends on you ask. It does. Not if you ask my dad. Right. Or my childhood pastor. There's no gay in the Bible. Nothing. No.
00:53:50
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Unnatural. Except for those towns that God nuked.
00:53:56
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Those gay towns. They were so gay, he had to put them in the microwave.
00:54:04
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yeah Wow. there's There's a lot of people who infer that Jonathan and David had more of a romantic relationship.
00:54:15
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Oh, okay. I think it could happen. They're both like very strong personalities, though. Very driven driven figures. So back mountain style, you know, like a couple of rugged individuals. yeah Yeah. Lovers on the yeah. On the side.
00:54:30
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I could see it being fun if they throw in a little humor. you kind of have like a a Sandra Bullock, Ryan Reynolds sort of dynamic, you know? Yeah, that would be cute. Who's Ryan Reynolds and who's Sandra Bullock?
00:54:42
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David is Sandra Bullock for sure. Yeah, he's he's a cute little fella.
00:54:48
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He's done waiting.
00:54:53
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uh you don't get too far into the story it really just sets the stage for goliath being this mysteriously large man um they go to a town where there's one child survivor and they kind of awkwardly like pick him up and hold him out of the distance like a dirty diaper while he just like worms and then they're like we found one and then jonathan is uh nice and talks to him and he's like points up at the uh like 10 12 feet up in the air and after jonathan's like who did this and then they see a giant handprint like 10 times the size of any man's handprint um yeah i wonder how uh he managed to get that much blood on his it was he just like like uh
00:55:38
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popping people like bubble wrap and they were rotting through the tank.
00:55:46
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I think of it like Homelander style, you know, he's just putting his fist through people's faces over and over again. it's girl yeah He's covered in blood and then he just taunts people by putting those giant handprints on everything.
00:56:01
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It's like a human sewing needle. um But yeah, the Israelites defeat the Amalekites. They take the Amalekite king. Samuel finds out. Samuel shows up and is just like, what the fuck are you guys doing? This is totally not what we talked about.
00:56:14
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ah Samuel goes full badass and was like, God said to kill them all, so I'm going to kill them. And then he just stabs the Amalekite king. um Basically tells Saul that he fucking sucks and that he if God anointed him, God can un-anoint him and that he's going to that Samuel is going to go out and find Saul's replacement.
00:56:35
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Um, I feel like some of it, they actually like made it, it's kind of, uh, we've talked about how like the Bible's more interesting now that you don't have to read it like word for word and feel like you're memorizing historical facts and stuff.
00:56:49
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Cause it's, you know, when you, when you read the passage in the Bible where like Saul is supposed to kill everything and everybody and not take anything, which they don't really go into much detail about what he was supposed to do, you know, but basically massacre like all the men, women, children, and animals That that the Amalekites had right.
00:57:12
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And i think ah when he didn't do that, like the traditional like reading that we always got in Sunday school and stuff is just like, well, he wanted their stuff. He's greedy.
00:57:23
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right like They actually like maybe give you a little more perspective on like why that could be, you know, when, when your subjects and stuff that you rely on for troops and for funding and all of that stuff, like their take home is the spoils of war. And when you're saying like, we're not supposed to take anything, we're just supposed to kill these people and just leave them to rot. Don't take their animals. Don't take their treasure or anything like that.
00:57:51
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Like, least the show gives you a little bit of the, like the, the political pressure that Paul, that Saul would be facing, I guess, right. that Situation.
00:58:02
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Right. Like the pressure is, he's like, who do I like, you know, I have to answer to all these people and, you know, well, God anointed me so I can, you know, cause he trusts me and, I have to answer these people. Uh,
00:58:15
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but And it's really, he's like, what, who would I, would I go out of my way to just please one man, Samuel, uh, or, or all these people who are relying on me. Uh, so he kind of finagles that he gets political about it. They even make a political comment.
00:58:29
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Like Jonathan's like, I don't do politics. And I'm like, that's the kind of guy you're setting them up at. I kind of found that a look at annoying line. Like, like the virtuous one in any series is always the one who's like, I don't play these political games.
00:58:43
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Yeah. Yeah. It is funny. That that is like ah they did kind of stick to the ah the biblical narrative there of like good guys are good and bad guys are bad.
00:58:55
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It's clearly defined. And it's very important. That's why i as an adult can't look at any situation with any sort of nuance. I have to find the bad guy and the good guy in every situation.
00:59:07
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My brain is broken.
00:59:13
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Cal, when you, so you're watching it, you have some questions. um What are some of the questions that you have along the way that you're asking? It's like asking my mom. Yeah. um I mean, well, the first thing when we were started it, I asked her like, who the hell is David?
00:59:31
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um And she was like, well, it matter she was like, well, he's, it's sort of like, um like a, yeah how do I say? Like, not well i guess you could say mirrors what is to come with jesus right like his ascent to and that's what her take was on it is saying that like it's it's similar to what is that will happen to jesus because that he is in the lineage of of david right jesus is from is from the uh the seed of um
01:00:03
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chuck Joseph? Yeah, well, Joseph's seed had nothing to do with Jesus. Yeah, Joseph did not actually come inside of Mary. ah he knows Are you talking about like coat of many colors, Joseph, or Jesus's dad, Joseph?
01:00:22
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Jesus's daddy. Oh, okay. I'm off base. Sorry. Yeah, the carpenter. So that that was like, she like kind of explained that to me in her her vision.
01:00:33
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um And then the other funny question I had was because I was watching and I was like, oh, God. So this is like, this is Old Testament. These are all these are all Jews. So like my...
01:00:44
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are My stepdad was there and he was about to leave. And I was just like watching this and like thinking, okay, so these like Christians, they believe in, they accept Christ. So they're believing in the old Testament and then the new Testament, the Jews for the most part are only in the old Testament. And I was just, I looked him. I was like, so do you like, so do you not like Jews then?
01:01:03
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Yeah. was like, because they they like don't even want to have anything to do with this guy. like So do you not like Jews or what? do He's like, no, we're we accepting. you know It's just like, where you know, it's they their Jewish lifestyle. Yeah, they went their own their own path. I'm just thinking like, well, mean, if all right, i mean it was their path. We went and like Christians went their own path. They had the path.
01:01:30
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Yeah. So like, yeah, I went. I asked like those types of questions and then um I guess I didn't want to get too crazy and like vocal about the other stuff. ah My opinions and whatnot, um may mainly because before we watched, sat down and watched down, I went off on Shen Yun and I had to explain to them what Shen Yun really was. And I was like, i'm I'm going to kind of hold my tongue because I,
01:01:54
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ah they're like, oh, we went to go see Shen Yun. And i was like, oh my God, you went to go see Shen Yun. Do you guys know what this is And so I was like, I'm going to kind of restrain myself and not say as much that I would like to say.
01:02:06
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But yeah, that is such a bizarre story. Yeah. I don't feel like I really got my head around the whole thing, you know, but I watched a couple of videos on it, but I don't know anything about this.
01:02:19
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Shen Yun? Yeah, this one's gone completely over my head. It's the, ah it's the, the billboards that you see everywhere where it's like coming soon, Shen Yun, China before communism. And it's like a lady dancing.
01:02:33
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So it's like a, it's like a cult. Yeah. It's a straight call. I had to tell them to, I was like, you guys realize that it's like an absolute cult. Like it's far right. And, uh, they're anti fat, like female anti LGBTQ. Like it's far, right?
01:02:50
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This is bad stuff. Oh, I was getting probably another cool thing that the CIA didn't fund it and went little yeah like pick it. up Chinese food a couple of weeks ago, and I saw a poster for it inside the Chinese. Oh, don't know.
01:03:09
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I was like, oh, I guess this must be something that that seems cool. like It looked like the dancing. It's like Riverdancing. I like, okay, trying to go i yeah i i had to feel like My thought was that maybe it was just like a marketing campaign to get more people to go the show because people don't like, you know, the the right doesn't like communism, but they also don't usually like the arts and theater. So maybe if you just say that, they'll go.
01:03:35
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Yeah. If you if if every traveling show was basically the product of a different cult, which one do you think would be the worst to join? I feel like Blue Man Group would have to root.
01:03:48
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They'd have to be way up there if they're if they were a cult. Yeah, I don't know. It seems for me might kind of be pretty fun. I might be hanging on pipes and trash cans. right Traveling, traveling troop. I mean, what else is really traveling anymore besides like the Ringling Brothers? Yeah, the w Ringling Brothers, Riverdance, any Disney on ice, I guess.
01:04:12
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That might be the worst. The Search to Slay cult. Search to Slay, yeah, that might be a nightmare, actually. Yeah, I'll join Blue Man Group gladly if that's the cult.
01:04:23
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Any improv troop is... Typically, cult they operate in a cult-like fashion. Impractical jokers, cruise, cult. One of those dudes just got ripped, ah dragged across the internet.
01:04:36
Speaker
Was it Joe? Joe Gatto? For being a creepy with some ah young lady? I don't know. I don't know the full story. I just saw it all over Instagram and Reddit for about 24 hours.
01:04:52
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He looks like a guy who uses the N-word on occasion. and But yeah, so to kind of go back what i was saying, that's why I didn't really like question a lot of things because i I just wanted to let it happen and i was still seething over that. so um Well, I don't want to put, you know, to put it in a nutshell, David is biblical Anton Chigurh.
01:05:17
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He just runs around drilling holes in people's heads with a tiny rock.
01:05:24
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That's the long and short of it. Were they like peeping Tom and sometimes kill people's husband? He does do that. I wonder, that's I want to know how much do they cover? Do they cover the part where he just, you know, sends a woman's husband into battle so he dies so he can rape her later?
01:05:40
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You know, I don't know. Maybe they don't cover that. Do they cover? I love that. They set him up as this moral, sweet young lad who was a gooner. Yeah.
01:05:53
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but
01:06:00
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And they set him up. He's like, one of the weakest lines ever was like, all right, so they're trying to like set up the character of David. And it's like, he's the shepherd boy. His brother's going out to battle. He's like, why can't I go out battle? I'm really tough, dad.
01:06:16
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And he's like, I don't want you to be like them. i like you. You're like your mom. You're a sweet, sensitive boy. And, um, and then he's like, well, I'll show you. There's this lion that just kind of fucking terrorizes the family.
01:06:30
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They kind of got like a horror vibe to it. And the way that the lion shows up, it's this big ass lion. He hears it roar at home, so he runs to his house.
01:06:41
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This lion's creeping around the roof. His sister screams, and he grabs her and covers her mouth, and the lion kind of stops. And it's weird that the lion just can't understand or recognize where these screams or sounds are coming from.
01:06:56
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and then it just kind of like wanders off, and David chases it to a cave and... yeah ah don't Lions don't live in caves, do they? right they i don't think that they do. So that was wrong.
01:07:09
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Because I think that was going into the... house I thought the whole part was kind of lame. It was super corny. It was wicked corny. Trying to like make a simile of what's to come. And it's like, alright, yeah, I'm not an idiot.
Critique of Christian Media
01:07:21
Speaker
You don't need to mansplain this to me. like I kind of get the gist here.
01:07:26
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i do like the fact that... like he's he runs in to so to grab his sister, and the lion is walking around on the roof. So he, like, purposely puts her at the base of the stairs, going up to the roof, like, that scene.
01:07:44
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And he's, like, standing out of the way, like, just staring up at it. like, man, that doesn't seem, that seems counterproductive for her safety. Yeah. Yeah, so he chases it, he fights it, he obviously comes out victorious. and they're So they're trying to make him, like,
01:07:59
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He's, he wants to be this, he wants to, you know, be a battle heart and young man. His dad's kind of worried about it. So, um, I feel like, I don't know. I think the setup for him is just kind of like, it it's just, a but Oh, that's what I was going to The line is just like, dude, I wrote it down. i gotta, I'm going to read it. Cause I just was thought it was so dumb.
01:08:20
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Um, all right Jump back to David. No, that was before. Um, maybe I didn't write it down. Um, don't know. I guess i maybe I didn't write it down. um One of the lines that did stick out to me, though, was it was when Saul does see when Jonathan does see the giant's hand, he goes. ah There were giants in the earth in those days and also after.
01:08:46
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And then it's just a cutscene. So there's giants. That's all you really could say. And also after. I don't know. It was just kind of it was like there's still giants.
01:08:57
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I don't know what they were connecting that to or if that's a good thing. Yeah. that that was said but The dialogue was rather crude at times. I was like, well ah okay, little strange, little try hard at sometimes. Yeah.
01:09:13
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I thought a lot of the shots outdoors were really pleasant and um vivid. I thought everything indoors was so like, I don't know.
01:09:25
Speaker
What's the word? Like just visually just unsettling. It just seemed like it was done by a middle schooler. I don't know. Or like not a middle schooler, but maybe like a high so like a college project.
01:09:37
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Like the lighting was strange. It just seemed so like a play, but everything outdoors is excellent. yeah It was like ah an Outback Steakhouse. yeah Yeah. You can smell the blooming onion on the other side that that the crew workers were eating during the shot. so Saul leans over and whispers, no rules, just right.
01:09:59
Speaker
That would be so great because it is prime. like if they If there were like sneaky little pi product placements throughout this show of all shows, it would have so much better.
01:10:14
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every now and then you hear the Taco Bell bell just dinging every now and then. It's just Pavlov's dog style. That would be great. Kind like so Sony levels of of ad placement ah absurdity.
01:10:30
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It's like the idiot bad guy gets crushed by a giant Pepsi sign or whatever. yeah
01:10:39
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i ah i I found, yeah, it was, so when David was chasing the line, he his dad was like, you don't have to do this, and he did this whole, like, I do for my family kind of like nonsense.
01:10:54
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And that just felt like that. I, you know what they're trying to do? They're trying to like portray him as this guy who will do what he needs to do to protect the people he cares about. But really it just felt like a weak person with something to prove.
01:11:08
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And it but it's possible that like, I, I'd like to think that maybe they were trying to be nuanced about it because the character of David was, a pretty morally bankrupt individual, um, or became one.
01:11:24
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And I don't know. I'd like to think that they were trying to be nuanced in the way that they crafted his responses. Um, but I don't think it was, I think it was literally like, they're just trying to set the stage that he's this awesome, wonderful person. Like ah it's like, it's total. i don't know.
01:11:43
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I mean, there was a whole plot line about like his, uh, Like his something about his mother. Did he have a different mother than the other boys? yeah They definitely. Yeah. They stated that yeah he was like a bastard son.
01:11:56
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but a year after yeah That seems to be like the root of it is like trying to prove that he's cut from the same stock of those as those guys. But is that biblically correct? Like because I didn't remember that part of the story.
01:12:11
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from my younger I don't remember. I don't remember that. I don't know if his is if um David's dad's first sons were ah from a different woman.
01:12:24
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But... I know David's, but we know David's mom is dead. I thought that they were all the same woman. I thought I could, I don't know that I remember. I will say, i i do think that they captured most of the narrative pretty well here.
01:12:40
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Um, like the 30,000 foot view, the narrative was captured fairly well. Um, Not a lot of digs. i don't think they like create it they I don't think they did a great job with developing the characters so well and the pilot in creating like an attachment.
01:12:56
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This is what I wanted to ask you, Cal, i felt like because i feel like they know their audience, right? Christians. love media that's geared towards them. And I feel like Christian media doesn't have to be bad and it's not bad because it's Christian. And I think that like, I grew up in a world where like we were told like, Oh, everyone hates it because it's Christian.
01:13:19
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They don't want Christian media because it's offensive to that. Like there's all these like made up reasons why Christian, why the rest of the world doesn't like Christian media. And I feel like the problem Here is like, and and with a lot of Christian media is it relies so heavily on its audience, knowing certain things prior to engaging with the media that it, it doesn't track resonate or make sense to people who are outside of that.
01:13:48
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So like, did this feel like it told a cohesive story as someone who's not familiar with it, that you were able to follow along with and like get an idea of these characters based on the narrative of the show and not what's not having this preconceived understanding of who the characters are?
01:14:08
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um I think for in this instance, because I could quite agree with what you're saying in other mediums of Christian film or whatever.
01:14:19
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But in this instance, I felt like they really, what they painted David to be, they kind of, ah I'm going coin a tournament that kind of marvelized him they kind of uh romanticized him to be sort of this like superhero type of person to make it seem ah digestible for someone like me to understand like oh okay so this guy is just like that type like oh i've got to prove myself you know um with the whole lion scene and everything. So for the most part, it was pretty like easy.
01:14:54
Speaker
it Like it was written. seemed like it was written by like like a kind of like a child at some times, because it was just so, yeah, like obviously it was telling me what I already knew.
01:15:08
Speaker
and I was like, yeah, I kind of understand those. Yeah, like on the nose, like, yeah, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. There wasn't anything for me to insinuate what is even happening. They would verbally tell you blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:15:21
Speaker
And I felt like that can be. I don't know. I don't, when I'm watching media, I don't, I hate it when I'm being told. um Yeah.
01:15:32
Speaker
I want to live in the world of my own and kind of make assumptions on my own. um Maybe i think for this though, they felt that that was not necessary because they kind of want to get a message across. But for the most part, this is sort of like this superhero type of like show.
Anime and Storytelling Techniques
01:15:52
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And it just kind of seemed like, like a like fourth grader type of stuff so it it was pretty easy to to navigate through it i just yeah king steve rogers yeah like exactly like when he's talking to his dad i was like oh this is literally like captain america like yeah it's a common yeah i feel that uh when it's I'm trying to think of a movie ah because what you're saying is resonating with me. There's a movie in particular that I is in the back of my mind and I can't state it. And I've used it as an example before in other conversations, but I know what you're saying where it's like, instead of just having a conversation, they go like, they just go out of their way to, instead of rely on narrative pros and purposes, they just go and so-and-so showed up and said this to me. And it's like, it's just too on the nose for,
01:16:46
Speaker
And I feel like. Exposition dump. Yes. Exposition dump is what it is. Yeah. Like, I don't need that. Like, that's why I just struggle with like anime when they have like exposition internally. I'm just like, dude, stop talking.
01:16:57
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yeah Stop. I get it. I get it. I'm not an idiot. Like, it's just like overly mansplaining me. that, you know, I'm a capable person. I can understand things that are so being said to me visually or, or, you know, I don't need you to tell me, you know, I like how shows think that you can't possibly keep the character straight. So everyone greets somebody with like,
01:17:19
Speaker
Jonathan, my son. Yes. My son, hello. How are you? like, no shit. Dude, to anime is really bad about that. I mean, I like some of it, but right dude, sometimes I just can't digest anything. I'm just like, oh God, stop talking. Stop telling me. Stop, stop.
01:17:37
Speaker
I tried to watch like Full Metal Alchemist back in the day because people had said so many good things about it. I was like, oh yeah I'll check it out. And I couldn't watch it because it's just constantly the two main characters going,
01:17:49
Speaker
Brother, brother, like all the time. It drove me crazy. That's one of the few I do like the Brotherhood one. It's cool idea. There's two of them, two of them, the newer one, in the Brotherhood. And that's the only that one I could really watch. I tried Attack on Titan and I turned it off. i was like, this is crap. He's just telling me everything he's feeling like no shit, like no shit. You feel bad that this person's dead.
01:18:12
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, short plug for one of the few animes that I've really, really enjoyed. ah Berserk from the 90s.
01:18:23
Speaker
Okay. So good. ah Just rewatched it and it's awesome. Berserk. How do you, ah how are you watching that? It's all on YouTube. With his eyes. Oh, okay. You rascal.
01:18:37
Speaker
um I feel like with would that yeah that over overly explicit narrative, the internal monologue is a great point of like...
01:18:49
Speaker
I'm wondering if they're going backstab me right now. Like they're thinking like ah hearing a person's thoughts. Like, yeah, we knew that that like we're feeling the same thing because we're literally in it watching. It's insulting. It's like, yeah, yeah I get it.
01:19:01
Speaker
And I think this show started off. I started off in a bad foot for me when the disclaimer came up at the beginning. And it reads, because I took a picture of it, i was some of the events depicted in this series may not accurately represent all historical and biblical facts or figures.
01:19:21
Speaker
While we have made the effort to portray certain aspects of history authentically, creative liberties have been taken for storytelling purposes. And when I saw that, I knew exactly what I was getting into.
01:19:33
Speaker
It's the same one from the Book of Mormon, right? Yeah. You refer like it being referred to as not accurately represent all the historical and biblical facts and figures. I go, all right. So they're coming at it from the perspective of that.
01:19:47
Speaker
Everything in it, anything biblical, any biblical aspect is a fact. And that if you don't accurately represent it, who's going to be mad at you? Christians, not Jews, because the Jews don't really deal with their their scriptures in the same way that Christians do, which is like, there there's more nuance there. There's more conversation. There's more extrapolations for the purpose of group discussion and identity and purpose.
01:20:17
Speaker
Um, Christians are very, it is what it says it is. And if you try to make it say anything else, I'm out, I'm going to find a Bible believing church that tells me everything that I think. Um, and Christians do that move, um, so much so that they're addressing it right out the gate.
01:20:33
Speaker
So we know who this is for like this show Isn't written. This show wasn't made by a guy who found the story interesting and wanted to make a great show. He found it.
01:20:43
Speaker
He found his market in the Christian market and is catering towards them, which immediately told me we're going to lose a lot of creative narrative. We're going to lose a lot of re creative storytelling. There's a lot of things that are just going to be missing right out the gate. um And, and having to explain that, like,
01:21:03
Speaker
You're trying to portray aspects of history authentically, but you need creative liberties, which is like ah John, one of ah Jonathan's brothers being that guy who was just hanging out with that woman trying to get his dick sucked. Right.
Creative Liberties in Period Pieces
01:21:15
Speaker
Like we know that that was probably that's a creative liberty. And they're they're just addressing that.
01:21:21
Speaker
Well, that part wasn't in the Bible. They're trying to clear that up for Christians immediately. Well, that part wasn't in the Bible. Yeah. Yeah. They do that with like most period piece, historical dramas, sorts of things, though.
01:21:34
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, sure. ah But I feel like most people walk into that expecting that. I guess you could be like, i you know, whatever, 300. Whoa, that's not real. like but i But I feel like when you're addressing your ah your Christian audience with a disclaimer at the beginning, um you're the we know who the audience is. It's a Christian audience. You weren't doing this as a creative endeavor for...
01:22:01
Speaker
you're You're beholden. You're beholden to a group of people. And if you go outside those lines, you kind of know you're fucked. People did the same thing with Napoleon, though.
01:22:13
Speaker
I mean, Napoleon. mean Yes, of course. No, but the Napoleon movie, I mean, they kind of did the same thing. They're like, oh, he wasn't fighting in front of the Sphinx and.
01:22:24
Speaker
All that, like they kind of bashed Ridley Scott for it and whatnot. You can't make this show without targeting like people who would be interested in it. And the people who are going to be interested in it are primarily, i mean, your U.S. audience is going to be a huge percentage of them are going to be Christian or Christian background.
01:22:44
Speaker
and So it's a lose-lose then because like you look at i i because i I want to disagree um a little bit. like When you deal with things like Napoleon ah versus historical fiction like Gladiator. Gladiator was great because you didn't have to you didn't have to make it be too specific to a certain historical fact. It was based on a time period and you could be free within that.
01:23:08
Speaker
But when you're dealing with history and things that happened, yeah, people generally want a more accurate retelling of a historical event. When you're dealing with the Bible, you're dealing with things that are a little bit different. There are multiple tellings of the same story within biblical narratives.
01:23:24
Speaker
There's a lot we don't know. Historically, it doesn't match up to a lot of what we do know. um it's it is kind of its own creative retelling. So like, I just feel like there I I'm I feel like there is a market for doing a book, a show or movie or something on a biblical story and in keeping it accurate without placating a Christian audience.
01:23:51
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And because the Christian audience needs it to look and feel a certain way that backs up a particular worldview versus just what it is, what it is without those, like those kind of like pithy Brady bunch values that don't matter.
01:24:09
Speaker
Cool. Well, settle that. Thanks guys. appreciate
01:24:14
Speaker
I'm right. You're wrong. Fuck you. Move on. so Yeah. I don't know. ah Maybe. I mean, look, it's not a great show by any means.
01:24:25
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I think for what it is, I think it was it was a decent version of it, considering how many bad versions of stuff like this I've seen.
01:24:36
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like i'll agree. It's better than most versions of things like this, for sure. it It doesn't feel like something that was built, that was made by... Like, if you go if you go on YouTube and start Googling or, like, looking up Book of Mormon stuff, like the story of Nephi and this and that and the other, like, there's a bunch of, like, ah historian you know, reenactment pieces on there that are produced by the Mormon Church and – it without a doubt is nobody would think otherwise. I mean, because of the way it's retold and stuff like that.
01:25:12
Speaker
So let me be more generous then. Let me do a, ah let me think about it from more generous perspective when it comes to funding and marketing to make things like this. You are, you, you probably are a little pigeon held, right? Like who's going to, who's going to give you the money to make the thing you want to make.
01:25:28
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um you're you're you're going to come out a little bit lower budget. You're going to maybe not have the most polished script. You're not going to have the best acting cast. um So i'll be I'll be generous in that front. Someone did make this. Someone worked to get this on Amazon, and they did have to tow a line in order to probably get the money they needed to make it.
01:25:50
Speaker
um They knew that their biggest, who their biggest audience was. And I think that despite some of my frustrations with trying to cater to them, um they did a fairly decent job, not overdoing it.
01:26:03
Speaker
um There was no, you know, there was what? Maybe i maybe I'm more generous towards it because I've seen some of the other things that Amazon has made, like rings of power.
01:26:15
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but And by comparison, it's it's not bad. It's like Game of Thrones Season 6 compared to Rings of Power. Damn. I haven't seen any of those. ah i haven't seen Game of Thrones or Rings of Power.
01:26:30
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. Well, all right. How many stars? ah One out of five. One to five. How many stars you giving this? Go ahead, Casey.
01:26:41
Speaker
Go ahead. I'll give it i'll give it it three. cal I do bags of popcorn. ah per How many bags? How many bags of popcorn? I give this... ah I do a two and a half.
01:26:56
Speaker
Okay. On cinema, at the cinema. Yes. Action. We can do half bags? Yes. and Okay, that's good to know. maybe Maybe a little, I'll do two and a half bags of popcorn and like a little little ah ah cross with ah with Jesus on it because we know what's to come.
01:27:15
Speaker
little crucifix. A little crucifix. yeah you got that little You got the popcorn with the toy in the bag. Nice. Yes. yes
01:27:24
Speaker
What was the show that that the fake show that Tim Heidecker from that series made? Decker. Decker. decker that's right yeah decker would have loved this show yes i'll go was gonna i was gonna i didn't know halves were on the table i was just gonna go because it's not a two i was gonna go with three um i'll give it a i was gonna give it three but doing halves i'm gonna match your two and a half cal okay I think it was just below mid, um, left me wanting a lot.
01:27:59
Speaker
Uh, I feel like it has potential. I think this story arc has awesome potential. Um, I think they just kind don't know. I think but whether it's not that whether it's like they can't get the funding, they don't think they have the audience to justify,
01:28:16
Speaker
um making it more feel more grown up. Right. Like I feel like the biblical narratives of stuff is really dark and gross and like the good guys aren't really that good. um And I don't like, so I think I get frustrated with like the, the,
01:28:34
Speaker
the way that they wash over these characters would like, and this one's the good one. This one's the bad one. Like even within, and yeah, they paint their enemies as particularly bad, but within the, from judges all the way to the end of second ah Kings, it's just like this, there's no straight up good guy.
01:28:54
Speaker
And to try to like, the way that they try to delineate roles so clearly instead of just let it be kind of to the thing that it is, is what I find frustrating. I think this story, i think almost any old Testament story could be a phenomenal fucking mini series.
01:29:15
Speaker
And, and you could bring in all the lore you want, all the prayer, all the Yahweh, all God, like it, just tell it for what it is and how it's accounted for and, and keep it, kind of epic and violent and make the characters as, as gray as they really are. And I think you have a really great story.
01:29:33
Speaker
Um, I think there's a lot on the table to do with the Old Testament, and I've yet to see anything be done that makes me give one single shit about it. I'm done after um'm done after the pilot. I'm not going to go back to the show.
01:29:49
Speaker
Me neither. How about if we remake? Okay, let's do one. What do you think about a Sodom and Gomorrah miniseries? That would be so good, dude. Only if there's tons of gay sex, though.
01:30:01
Speaker
Well, no, that's what I'm thinking is like we we make the the residents of Sodom and Gomorrah are white Rastafarians. And God has to rain fire upon them.
01:30:14
Speaker
Okay. We're trading out angel rape for killing of Rastafarians. White Rastafarians. I mean, I don't think you're going to get a lot of people too upset about that.
01:30:30
Speaker
There is a great... ah There was a great like white Rastafarian dude rapping on like catatonic youth or something the other day. dude, it was just like, it was like the, the A to Z list of conspiracy theories all like done to a reggae beat.
01:30:46
Speaker
And it was so good. He goes, he's like, he's like, it's like forced injections, the microchips, they come.
01:30:57
Speaker
ah Is that the guy with the braids? Oh, yeah. he had like He kind of had the big stocking cap where his dreads are all kind of poked up into it. No, I was thinking of a different one. i posted one on our story of the dude with the braids that looked like beans from Even Stevens. Oh, that guy. Yeah, that guy's like legit.
01:31:16
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That guy's like, I forget his name. Yeah, he's like, oh, ah no, he's like ah so straight up white dude that is like born. I think he's born in Jamaica, right? like Oh, is he?
01:31:28
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Pretty sure. He has that accent. Oh, that's pretty cool. Oh, okay. I think I know who you're talking about now. Yeah, I forget his name. i There's another guy that he's got like the the like ah new metal dreads, and he's always got like a really like hokey pair of Oakleys on.
01:31:48
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And he sing he's just a terrible singer.
Music Creation and Inspirations
01:31:52
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And he he yells like this country song about... He's like, and he eightys his motions are really exaggerated and stuff. like He looks like, i mean, this guy has done a lot of pills in his day. Lots of painkillers. And he's like, going down that country road with you by my side.
01:32:15
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He's been making the rounds lately. It's like asking AI to make a country song is what that is. Yup. Which is one of my favorite. There's an Instagram channel that is just asking AI to make country songs based on various prompts. And I can't get sick of it. They're at like 90 something. And every one of them is awesome.
01:32:35
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That is a, that is a formulaic genre. Yeah, it really is. But speaking of country songs, Cal, you just put out a new country album. Yeah, I really did. Yeah. The back roads of Charlton. That's what it's called. Oh, nice.
01:32:50
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We didn't even talk about going it from your, so you're, uh, the, the mass Pike, the back roads of Charlton, I think it taken some back roads to the, to a tiger mark from your house. Yeah. And it's where we lived.
01:33:03
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We, there we are, our late teenage years were spent, um, the mass Pike I 90 runs right through Massachusetts and ah Cal's house was right.
01:33:19
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Pretty much, yeah you know, we'd walk through the woods and a little bit of ways and cut through a field. And then we would come out to one of like the, the convenience stores that's right off the mass Pike. And yeah it was Tiger Mart at the time Massachusetts.
01:33:34
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We were there probably as much as we were at your house, I think, when we would all go over. Yeah, we were there. We would go there at like probably nine and stay there till like two in the morning.
01:33:45
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Just being teenagers stealing Red Bull from the convenience store and sitting in the courtyard outside. That was childhood. Yeah.
01:33:56
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that was our childhood yeah But to go back to your further, your question before, no, I did not actually release a country album. I just put out ah just a regular single for my band or band put out that, but yes yes. Tell us about your band. You have a couple of EPs. You got a new single.
01:34:15
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Let's hear about it. Yeah, are we friend ah yeah we my ah my band is called Loud Sounds. um guess were I guess i like to call it like alternative metal or alternative post-metal.
01:34:29
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We just put out a single. um We've had two EPs that have dropped in the past three years. Yeah. Um, got a single just came out, have a second single on the way in like May. And then we have a full length at the end, maybe around fall.
01:34:44
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Uh, we'll be nice putting out. Yeah. That's pretty much all it's recorded. We've been working on it for a bit, but yeah. Recorded at silver bullet studios in Connecticut.
01:34:55
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I feel like this is, um, I mean, I've followed plenty of the bands that you, or a lot of the music you've done. Um, And you've, I think everything that you've done has honestly been, been great.
01:35:09
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I think this sonically production wise, everything about, I think this is like the, I think this is incredible music. I think it's some, I think it's the best music you've, you've created,
01:35:24
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Um, and in a way that just like capture, it's just big, it's, it's big, it's full. There's something it's, you it feels unique. I feel like we're in the land and the world of like metal core for so long. And there's not a, it's, we're starting to see a ah lot more kind of genre bending or post, like you said, post metal kind of stuff. But I, i don't know. There's something about this that has like, um,
01:35:54
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trying to think of even the right way to explain it for myself is just like this, this big full sound that kind of pulls you in. Like it's almost like a gravitational pull.
01:36:04
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Um, and I've seen you guys play a couple of times as well. And I, I think the sound is, it translates live incredibly well. Um, and you know, that's hit or miss sometimes. Um, yeah I, I,
01:36:22
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To be pulled into that the sound live, in I don't know, you like feel it in your chest. It's like a visceral feeling, I think. um it's a I don't know, man. I guess that's it. I don't know how else to just like keep belaboring that point, but I've really enjoyed what you what you've been doing with loud sounds. and I think it's incredibly...
01:36:43
Speaker
like it just you can it feels passionate it feels incredibly artistic it feels so well structured and thought out like it's not just like you know ah and now i'm a metalcore junkie i'm a sucker for just riffs you know and a lot of like that's what i love it's like riff riff riff riff but this is like i'm my tastes are evolving because i hear stuff like this and i go it's it's like kind of journey music we're like here's the song and it's not just like stringing cool riffs together that are hard to play.
01:37:15
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um It's, it's, it's building this song and having these swells and these, these dips. And um I just feel like what it does, like it feel it just feels like you're, you're kind of just on a journey with, with, with the new song, but also with the music that you put out in the previously as well.
Adaptations of Stephen King's Works
01:37:37
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Yeah. um Thank you. um That's definitely what I've always strived to do when I write music is to be this sort of, I don't want to say epic, but I guess a cinematic experience. I've always liked to tie music with film together and being this sort of like your valleys and your, your, your mountains and having a dynamic experience um and having a lot of different layers. Yeah.
01:38:05
Speaker
I'm I can appreciate so a band that can be so stripped down and have three layer you know layers, bass drum guitars and also vocals. um That's that's not for me, though. That's not how I write.
01:38:16
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I really like to go all out and add things to it in a cohesive, epic format. um But I mean, with this loud sound stuff, I mean, it's, it's your, there's a lot of refrains to it. So there's, it's your typical AB, you core stuff. So um we we try to stick closer to that to be more ah I guess, user-friendly to some ears. Cause it's nice to, I like hearing courses every now and then, you know, um not being just like riff, riff, riff, part, part, part, riff, riff, done songs done.
01:38:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, what movie um what movie will we be able to play the album backwards to? Because, I mean, if you can't, that's, you know.
01:38:59
Speaker
Good question. You're a cinema guy. you I assume you thought this through already. um So what do we what do we what am I playing this to? ah You're going to play it to Mandy.
01:39:14
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I only say that because I have ah i have a Mandy pop over here. i'm just like There we go. man And it probably makes the most sense to go to Mandy because that's a pretty hellish ride.
01:39:25
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I'm going to play it over the Idris Elba Dark Tower movie. o And then I have something to focus on other than awful movie. Yeah.
01:39:39
Speaker
Oh, man. I thought you were going to catch me and say that you love that movie. I was going to like, oh, man. Oh, no. hated it on a visceral level. It made me angry.
01:39:50
Speaker
They put three books together and made an hour 20 of a movie. I was like, this is outrageous. Outrageous. What if we made this a sci-fi channel original action movie that everyone will hate?
01:40:04
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Yeah.
01:40:06
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like Can't we just find a happy medium between that and what Peter Jackson has made his career out of doing? I don't i know that's not at a popular take because people love Peter Jackson and Lord the Rings. I'm thinking more of The Hobbit, right?
01:40:19
Speaker
Where it's like, i just we need to give things the time that they need, but you can overdo it. and turning one book When we had three books into three long movies and then they jumped to one book into three long movies, yeah I just feel like we're all over the place now. Just...
01:40:34
Speaker
what It doesn't seem like it should be so hard to give movies that are books the time that they need. I mean, i like John Wick 4. That was like three hours long.
01:40:45
Speaker
i know You can keep people's attention for three hours. think that was like two. That was three hours. It was almost three hours. but so They were supposed to do that. ah Amazon had the rights to Wizarding Glass. They were going to make a series out of that.
01:41:02
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And then they Did rings of power instead. o I don't know if you've kept up on it, but i don't know. Do you know who Mike Flanagan is? Oh, I know the name.
01:41:14
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He's done. um He's done actually a lot of Stephen King books. um He did Gerald's Game and then he did mid ah Midnight Mass. He did. Oh, yeah. Those are great.
01:41:28
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ah What's the the latest thing he did? He he did. um He's doing an exorcist movie, which I'm excited for. But let us just say he's like a very brilliant mind. um He is doing um Dark Tower.
01:41:41
Speaker
He's writing a whole show. Oh, my God. Yeah, he's been working That's the best Dark Tower news I've heard in a long time. And he's he's someone I can trust because he he has done a lot for Stephen King stuff. What was the main thing he did besides Gerald's game?
01:41:58
Speaker
Do the that outsider or whatever it was, that and one that was on HBO, because that was pretty good. ah He also did the fall the house usher, which is cool. um ah
01:42:14
Speaker
Oh, he did Dr. Sleep. That's what it was. I'm not familiar with that. Oh, okay. A sequel to Shining. That's right. Yeah. okay. very Very well done. That's it. I love when you, that's it. You said, like you said, you he's a guy you can trust. And this those are few and far between.
01:42:30
Speaker
um But when you see his name tied to something, it's just yeah at this point, he's just had so many hits. um It's just hard to be like, cool. but especially I'm signing on to anything you do next.
01:42:43
Speaker
Especially with Dark Tower. It's quite the endeavor. So yeah, i'm excited that's going to be a tough one. yeah Some of this stuff, they need to stop thinking about it in like, well, how do we get all of this wrapped up in this many episodes and stuff? And it's more like it would be better for you guys to just take take like the Gunslinger book or like Wizard in Glass and just do that.
01:43:05
Speaker
Just do that. See how it goes. But don't try to cram all of this lore into everything. And like give the audience a little bit of credit. Like, they're not morons. We can kind of figure out things as we go along. You don't have to, like, word for word explain, you know, every concept and stuff.
01:43:25
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That's the theme of the night.
01:43:28
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like that's what, a you know... Christianity, Mr. The Coen Brothers, what they did with, like, No Country for Old Men, is, like, a great example of that. It's, like, true to the story, but, like, a streamlined version...
01:43:42
Speaker
And it just it just captures the essence of the book in a way that makes it great. And it's like ah it's a classic for sure. Yeah. yeah Yeah, that was yeah great great film, that movie. Well, well thanks so much, Cal.
01:43:58
Speaker
Yeah, thanks for joining us, man. Yeah, thanks for having me. Appreciate it. um And. Anytime i'd I'd come on
Reflections on Evangelizing Friends
01:44:05
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again. Maybe we can regale some more tales. If I can remember, uh, you still didn't tell the story about the phone call, but, um, the phone call.
01:44:15
Speaker
I remember you were like, you reached out to me one day and you're like, do you remember this time? Oh my God.
01:44:23
Speaker
I was lost in the ketamine fog. That's crazy. I do remember that now. have to come back on and do that. because that I was trying to get you to like go to church or something, right? Yes.
01:44:35
Speaker
I don't remember it. i like Like I said, I wash it out of my brain when you're asking me, what the fuck are talking about? forgot about that. I fucking forgot about that. Oh, i thought like like I feel so embarrassed like about this. I was like, dude, going to be honest with you. I don't remember a single goddamn thing about this phone call. yeah You're like, oh, wow, I've been, you know, like dreading this, like talking to you about this again. i'm like, I really don't remember you you trying to like, like brainwash me and to go into going to church.
01:45:04
Speaker
It's so funny. I like, I just like how much, uh, I know we're closing out, but I get, I'm closing with this. I like that. You like that. None of that shit was just like, to me as an, I'm as a fucking 36 year old man. Now I'm just like, this is, it's sad that I look back on that and i go, you really liked me for me.
01:45:23
Speaker
you yeah You, you let ah like, none of that shit bothered any you guys. I mean, I would talk with dog and Chris and, about it too and like we would always have these back and forth conversations about this shit and um everyone like my perspective was i i did too much i was trying to like convert everybody and i was in my head i was but i guess i did it in a way where mostly all the time i hear from everyone who i did it to and they were like i thought we were just having like conversations um ah because we were friends like they they didn't feel like i was like
01:45:58
Speaker
really trying to like yank them over to my side. It was just felt like conversations from people. And again, none of, a lot of them didn't have any perspective from, they didn't know people who were like me. They didn't talk to people who had my perspective. So it was really, they as far as they're concerned, we were just friends with different opinions and I'm over here like, well, I'm glad it came off that way because I really could have ruined that pretty easily. You guys weren't so generous.
01:46:26
Speaker
You were hanging out. Same with soul winning. Yep. I forgot. Cause I, uh, yes, I tried to, I talked to you about going to church. Um, and your parents were going to a church at the time that my in-laws were going to occasionally.
01:46:42
Speaker
And I was like, we should, why don't we go? And you were like, okay. And then I stayed over your house and we all stayed up too late and everybody decided to sleep instead of go. And I got up early and went to church on my own and it felt weird as fuck.
01:46:56
Speaker
because I had to prove that point I was like I can't just like not go like this is my whole thing yeah that my god I forgot totally forgot about that Sam's in the bathroom at the sleepover getting ready like alfalfa on six and one Oxford his hair parted straight down the middle and gelled flat hell yeah no I had to perfectly align my swoop to perfectly touch and um my eyebrow at the right spot Oh, God. All right.
01:47:29
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Well, thanks, everybody, for listening, and we will see you next time.
01:47:40
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Unearthed horrors. Dissect my life. Incundations.
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