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6: Disclosure Team - UAPx Discussion panel
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Perhaps you remember November 10, 2004. We sure do. It was the day when Senior Chief Kevin Day of the USS Princeton reported seeing odd and slow-moving objects flying in groups of five to ten off of San Clemente Island, west of the San Diego coast. This led to the USS Nimitz launching F/A-18s to intercept and get visual confirmation...an hour later, Navy pilots would make history by taking infrared videos of what the United States Government has declared as an unidentified object.
Gary Voorhis and Jason Turner were aboard the USS Princeton during the now-famous "TicTac Incident" and were witnesses to the activities as well as the videos and subsequent Government actions which led to the public never knowing of this incident for nearly two decades.
Senior Chief Kevin Day and Gary Voorhis founded UAPx to search for, collect data on, and ultimately identify Unknown Aerial Phenomena. UAPx is now staffed by top-notch physicists, NASA-trained astronauts, electronic engineers, DoD Analysts, Technical Writers, Researchers, and Attorneys - all joined for the common goal of searching for and identifying UAP.
UAPx Website: https://www.uapexpedition.org/
UAPx Twitter: https://twitter.com/UAPx2
Gary Voorhis Twitter: https://twitter.com/GaryVoorhis
Gary Voorhis Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/voorhisgary/
Gary Voorhis YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3ji...
Jason Turner Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/superdad_no...
Jeremy McGowan Twitter: https://twitter.com/OSIRIS_UAP
Jeremy McGowan Instagram:
Gary Voorhis and Jason Turner were aboard the USS Princeton during the now-famous "TicTac Incident" and were witnesses to the activities as well as the videos and subsequent Government actions which led to the public never knowing of this incident for nearly two decades.
Senior Chief Kevin Day and Gary Voorhis founded UAPx to search for, collect data on, and ultimately identify Unknown Aerial Phenomena. UAPx is now staffed by top-notch physicists, NASA-trained astronauts, electronic engineers, DoD Analysts, Technical Writers, Researchers, and Attorneys - all joined for the common goal of searching for and identifying UAP.
UAPx Website: https://www.uapexpedition.org/
UAPx Twitter: https://twitter.com/UAPx2
Gary Voorhis Twitter: https://twitter.com/GaryVoorhis
Gary Voorhis Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/voorhisgary/
Gary Voorhis YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3ji...
Jason Turner Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/superdad_no...
Jeremy McGowan Twitter: https://twitter.com/OSIRIS_UAP
Jeremy McGowan Instagram:
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Transcript
Introduction to Anomalous Podcast Network
00:00:01
Speaker
You're listening to the Anomalous Podcast Network. Multiple voices, one phenomenon.
Host's Greeting and Guest Expectations
00:00:39
Speaker
How's it going, everybody? It is Friday. It's Friday night here in the UK, so I put a shirt on, poured myself a glass. How is everyone today? I hope you're all doing good. Good to see so many of you in the live chat there. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm just checking all my settings. Everything's looking good.
00:01:05
Speaker
So before we bring some guests on, I just wanted to say I'm looking forward to speaking to these guys tonight. UAPX is an organization that I've supported from the start, really. I think we need more people like this doing the work and they've certainly been putting the work in. Now, this is going to be a bit of a mixture of a conversation. We're going to be talking about serious stuff, but also just want to have an organic conversation, you know,
00:01:32
Speaker
So please keep it cool and calm and collected in the chat. And we'll get through this without any hiccups.
Introduction of UAPX Guests and NDA Discussion
00:01:40
Speaker
So yeah, thank you, guys. So let's let's bring in some some chaps. First of all, I'd like to introduce Mr. Jeremy McGowan. Jeremy, how are you? I am doing great. How are you doing? I'm not bad at all, my friend. Thank you so much for joining me tonight. Let's bring in.
00:02:01
Speaker
Mr. Jason Turner. How's it going, man? How you doing? Let's bring in Mr. Gary Voorhees. Oh, we can't because he's fashionably late. Of course, as always, as always. I'm pretty sure this happened last time as well. But Gary, we, you know, I can give that to him. It's cool. He's allowed. He's the president. El Presidente. He's Mr. Mom.
00:02:36
Speaker
Do it man do it actually I should have checked out Yeah, that's all good. So Yeah, I like I spoke to you guys just just before now and I said I wanted this to be a bit more of an organic conversation because we can talk about certain things with regards to the UAPX, but we know that currently you're under an NDA and
00:02:57
Speaker
so maybe we should just remind people about that if either one of you wants to just just remind how that started and where we're at and how long's left just a brief kind of overview let's say yeah so basically uh we're gonna have to be very choosy in our descriptions right now we've gotten a secondary directive to not really discuss anything about
00:03:24
Speaker
the reason that we're under an NDA. The information is out there previously. But suffice it to say that our primary expedition that we've completed was privately funded, and because we received private funding for that expedition, the individual or group who gave us the money to do that required a very specific NDA for a while. Let me see if I can adjust the game on my mic.
00:03:55
Speaker
Is that any better testing one too? So Vinny, you're muted as well. I'm on mute as well. How amateurish. Sorry, Gary. Gary, you're on mute, by the way. And I think he's on his phone. And I think he's frozen. Oh, no, he's not frozen. Oh, the joys of the joys of StreamYard and live streaming.
00:04:22
Speaker
Yeah, so what I was saying is basically due to the individual and group who privately funded us, they had a requirement that we sit on any announcements or publications until a very specific date.
UAPX's Goal for Self-Funding and Human Element
00:04:36
Speaker
So we can't really discuss it or talk about it. Our goal in the future is to raise enough money to be able to conduct these expeditions without having to be encumbered by these individuals.
00:04:52
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense. And I mean, it's fully understandable. You're an organization that needed help, I suppose. I mean, I don't know how else to put it with no funds coming in from anywhere, the opportunity to be able to be funded to go and do an expedition or research or anything like that. I guess you have to take those opportunities. So for me personally, I understand. I am having some microphone problems. So you guys take it over until I can fix this.
00:05:20
Speaker
Yeah. Cool. No worries. Jason. Yeah. Yeah. How you doing, man? I'm alive. A little cold up here but. Is it cold? Yeah. Yeah. We're supposed to get slammed this weekend with some snow but the joys of living in the mountains. Nice, man. Gary, can you hear us? Give us a thumbs up at least, brother. Yeah, I can hear you. I'm
00:05:51
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right as I'm about to travel. So I've got kids running around. I've got, you know, a million things. That was Jeremy. Did I fix it? No.
Technical Equipment and Data Handling
00:06:10
Speaker
Yeah. No. Wait. Yeah. You did. I think testing, testing. Yeah. That's a lot better. A lot better. Okay. Sorry, Gary. Hold on.
00:06:29
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We're back. This is the joys of live streaming, so it's all good. Gary, the first thing Jeremy just spoke about was, well, I sort of started by saying that I was fully aware, and I think a lot of people are, that you're currently under an NDA. So I didn't expect you guys to be able to come on here and give us any huge revelations or talk about anything you did with your expeditions that were funded.
00:06:48
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I think Gary's muted himself there.
00:06:57
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And then Jeremy just gave us a brief reminder of how that sort of came about. I don't know if there's anything you want to add to that. You know, you were funded to go out and do an expedition, as it were. Totally understand. Yeah, yeah, we can't really talk about the the apparently we can't talk about what it is either anymore, according to the person that either way, we may or may not have done something that was paid for by somebody at one time with our equipment.
00:07:28
Speaker
That was the short version of what I said, you know, people couldn't hear me when I said it so but basically in a nutshell Look out for something from us around April May timeframe Once once that drops then We're gonna be able to be a lot more candid about what we have in
00:07:53
Speaker
And the only thing I want to, there's a rumor out there that we have like 600 hours of like raw footage of just UFOs or UAP. That's a bit exaggerated. We may or may not have a lot of hours of data, but it has not been analyzed and we don't know exactly what's on everything yet.
00:08:19
Speaker
Yeah. I saw a couple of clickbait headlines like scientific group has 600 hours of UFO. I mean, I saw them when they dropped and I was like, Oh no, this is gonna, this is gonna look bad. People are gonna start getting the wrong impression and you know how things spread. And you know, it was funny too, because when we crafted that press release, it was everybody on the entire UAPX team read the press release gave their edits. We had our physicists look at it.
00:08:45
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we all approved of the wording that was in the press release and then within minutes of that thing dropping, people had taken the taglines and changed them to make it sound like something that it was totally not. Yeah. Didn't take them long at all. I mean, I saw it that morning. I mean, it was morning for me. Woke up, saw the press release, posted it, and even I was seeing things within
00:09:12
Speaker
30 to 60 minutes like no this is not what it says like come on yeah it was just to get to to the point of disclosure that they you know that i don't know and it's also to generate you know traffic to their websites and of course so yeah a lot of times you gotta you've really gotta just use your discernment
00:09:38
Speaker
Yeah, and to be clear, during at least two expeditions that we've gone on, we have collected hundreds of hours of video. It's almost impossible for anybody, any group, anywhere to analyze things in real time. So when we go on an expedition, we have all of our equipment pointed at the sky. Our cameras are rolling.
00:10:05
Speaker
and they're rolling for 24 hours a day, seven days a week, or as long as we're out there. Obviously, we're going to have hundreds upon hundreds of hours of video. Now, the onus is up on us to sift through the video, use the custom code that our physicists are developing, and attempt to find anomalous objects in the video.
UAPX Team Insights and Personal Motivations
00:10:29
Speaker
When we do that, then we go through standard procedures to try to explain all of those.
00:10:34
Speaker
What we're left with is it remains to be known until we've finished the analysis. So while everybody is saying we have 600 and some hours of UFO video, that's not true. We have hundreds of hours of video from multiple locations of which we may have UAP in there after our analysis.
00:10:57
Speaker
Yeah, totally. And these are not just videos, are they? Isn't it multiple sensor systems to some degree? Are you able to talk us through the kind of different systems and sensors that you have utilized, not necessarily for the NDA mission or expedition, but in general, what you've got or had access to in the last 12 months?
00:11:21
Speaker
Yeah, we've had a really good working relationship with a university who has kindly loaned us some equipment. We've acquired equipment that was designed by some folks at MIT, which is a piece of tech that detects cosmic rays, but more specifically, muons and gamma particles. We utilize custom-built quantum random number generators, which are in place so that
00:11:51
Speaker
To be clear, we don't expect anything to show up on the quantum random number generator. We just don't expect it. But what it is is it's up and running, and it's creating basically a stream of ones and zeros. And the idea is that if a UAP appears, perhaps their propulsion system or something about it
00:12:14
Speaker
would cause some sort of quantum flux that affects the output of the quantum random number generator. So when this is time stamped and synced with the the FLIR systems and the survey meters and everything else that we're using it just lends to be corroborating data but to be honest we don't expect it to show anything. So you've got FLIR systems you just mentioned I assume you've just got standard video are there any other
00:12:40
Speaker
Spectrums of vision. I mean, I'm not very technical. So forgive me. But are there any other things like that that are pointed upwards as well? Unfortunately, we can't quite go into a lot of that just because it's kind of content for the unsaid project that we're not allowed to talk about.
00:13:01
Speaker
I understand completely. And yeah, I won't ask anymore. No, I was fully aware that these things might crop up. And this is kind of again, I think it's a good thing in a way because it gives people an idea of where you're at, where you've been and what you can and can't say because you're tied you're tied into something and the frustration that we're under.
00:13:23
Speaker
Right. And as much as we're frustrated, we realize that everybody else out there is frustrated as well because we did release the end of the year statement. People got the idea that we have data and we do have data. We just don't know what it says yet, right? So one of the things that we're looking forward to in the future is really being able to nail down a cohesive strategy for fundraising. That way we never have to suffer through the NDAs ever again.
00:13:52
Speaker
and we're going to look towards the community, we're going to look towards the general population and hopefully they vent their frustration with this through their donations to UAPX because the more that they contribute, the less we have to deal with direct third-party funding and the more open access and real-time events we can pass on to the public.
00:14:15
Speaker
Yeah, that makes complete sense. And one thing I will say is that I can imagine that if for the frustration that people out there looking in may feel the only thing that I can say is if you hadn't have accepted the funding to be under the NDA, then.
00:14:30
Speaker
You wouldn't have gone out and got any hundreds of hours of data or anything. So, you know, the fact that people have to wait and they're like, well, we want it now. Like, well, just think about that. If, if they hadn't got this funding and we're under this NDA and we had to wait till April or May, we wouldn't be getting anything in April or May, no matter how big or small. I don't know what you've got, but you know, I think you understand the point where I'm coming from and you know, there's no two ways about it. You kind of have to take these things and I completely.
00:14:59
Speaker
I get it. And one thing that I want to make sure everybody understands is that regardless of the source of funding, it does not affect our results. We don't bend towards a narrative and we don't change the data to reflect the wishes of whoever it is that donated the money.
00:15:21
Speaker
Yeah, no, absolutely. So I hope that for anybody out there that was unsure or frustrated about that. I mean, I hope that lays it out a bit more understandably for you. So we won't dwell on that too much. One thing I wanted to kind of just get or is going back a little bit is to probably the early days of UAPX and it was, you know, it was Kevin Day, I think that was
00:15:47
Speaker
the one that kind of, I don't know if he set it up or was, you know, the lead guy, let's say, but I'd be very interested to know how things started and then changed over the past year or two from, you know, with yourself, Gary, becoming the president and that, are you able to just give us a little bit of how that change happened? No worries,
Operational Specifics and Funding Challenges
00:16:12
Speaker
no worries. Jason, you want to take over for Gary for a moment?
00:16:17
Speaker
Yeah, so, well, here's what, Kevin originally came to us with the idea of creating UAPX, Kevin Day did. And of course, you know, a lot of us were like, oh heck yeah. You know, and then we were kind of loosely affiliated with everything and it was just kind of everybody to each, you know, their own man for here and here and here and here and here. And it was just really disorganized, not to the fault of Kevin.
00:16:46
Speaker
And not to the fault of anyone, it's just the way that the cards fell when we all came in here together. Gary, you're kind of excited. Pick yourself. There we go. And there he goes. So then it got to the point where we were getting nowhere.
00:17:11
Speaker
Gary and I had talked to Kevin and Kevin kind of, you know, he did the, he did the one thing that it's hard for anybody who creates something to do. And that was to kind of give the reins over to Gary and let him run it. And, uh, you know, we needed some organization and that's what we started doing. And, um, you know, some people kind of got up and that's okay. You know, you know, it is what it is. And, um,
00:17:40
Speaker
I took over as VP there for a while of the organization. And then I went to Gary and I had an idea. And that was to separate the science from the administration part of the organization in general. And that's when I decided to kind of step aside and let Kevin Knuth take over as VP. For me, it's just,
00:18:08
Speaker
It made sense to have someone of his caliber running on the vice president side and also over all of the scientific stuff while we grunt workers are just over here doing what we do and
00:18:24
Speaker
It's kind of taken a bit to get used to and everybody just kind of getting used to their roles. But I feel like as of now, things are really starting to fall into place. And we've taken some hits and that's okay. That's the one thing I want to really kind of iterate to people that as long as I'm still in the company,
00:18:51
Speaker
I'll just keep rebuilding. I don't really care. You know, people are going to come and go. Some people leave on their own accord. Some people get removed from the company for this reason or that reason. But I think that at this point, we're a lot of people that could be removed if that makes any sense, because
00:19:15
Speaker
you know, when you inherit something, you kind of inherit the whole package and then kind of have to sort through everything. Now, you know, there's a lot of personality differences with a lot of the people that have left the company and me. And, uh, and generally, you know, I don't agree with a lot of these guys half the time, but that's the point. You know, I mean, me and Jeremy go back and forth, me and Jason go back and forth, but the people that are left,
00:19:43
Speaker
These are some of the most intelligent, creative, talented people I've ever worked with. As long as I've got such a diversity of people, we're going to continue to
00:19:56
Speaker
you know, grow. And, you know, even right now, now that we've split the split the company into two halves, where, you know, me, Jeremy, Jason are basically dealing with, you know, developing the company's administration side, developing the, you know, revenue for the company, developing, you know, all of the support mechanisms to allow Kevin and his science team to do the research, you know, and then then when we go do a
00:20:27
Speaker
one of these expeditions, then it's all hands on deck. Then that's when the grunts like us can kind of sit in and set cameras up, record data, do data sets so that when we do go back that we have this very, very specific data to go through where we can correlate all of this data together to create these event situations that can't be, that are easily,
00:20:56
Speaker
Well, they're not easily disproved once you get all the correlative data together. And it doesn't prove anything other than either something happened or there was something going on at that time.
00:21:11
Speaker
That's that's the other thing that people need to realize is that we are coming from we're not doing well We're not really sitting in a circle hoping that something comes down and talks to us Or anything like that. I'm not trying to discourage anybody from doing that. I actually have been going to one of these groups pretty locally to me Jeremy you really need to fix that soundboard
00:21:42
Speaker
Well, uh, you know, so we can, uh, it's just so that we can maximize our efforts and maximize every dollar that we do have, you know, so we, we don't have, you know, we're, we're, we're self-funded and by, by donation only. We don't, we're not, we don't, the one time we ventured into having somebody pay for things,
00:22:08
Speaker
you know, the great opportunity that we had, you know, it's still so restrictive, you know, uh, I don't like the restrictions, but you know, the opportunity was so good. We took it, you know, so, but, uh, you know, it's still, you know, been in the company and data still remained with us, which is the only reason why we accepted it. So it's, it's a long haul and it's going to be a long, it's going to be a longer, longer haul for us all to get to where we really want to be. But,
00:22:39
Speaker
I think once our ball is rolling then it's going to be pretty exponential at that point. Yeah I completely agree to be honest and one thing you just said there is you called yourself grunts and you even put yourself in with that Gary and that shows a good structure that as president you still put yourself on that same level as the rest of the team so the structure's right the friendships are right and that comes across to me personally that
00:23:03
Speaker
Well, everybody that's left in the company, I consider family, you know what I mean? These guys, you know, I care about them, their families, you know, somebody pops on the signal and it's like, Hey, uh, you know, I got, I got this with my daughter or I got this with my parents
Administrative and Non-Profit Complexities
00:23:18
Speaker
or I'm going to be out of town with some family. It's just like, okay, you know, it's just whatever is expected from there. And there's stops and it's done, you know, it's, you know, I mean, plus, you know, a lot of, a lot of, uh, you know,
00:23:31
Speaker
I got lucky where I was able to have a situation where I could do this full time. Jason has commitments, a lot of commitments, but he definitely is basically almost full time. Jeremy, while he's in his job hunt, is basically working full time too. So we've got a lot of work that we're trying to get done now while we have the opportunity to do it so that
00:23:58
Speaker
you know, hopefully we may be able to hire people to eventually do some of this full time administrative work later on. You know, that's, that's the ultimate goal is to start having employees start, you know, being able to, you know, have people that really know what they're doing. At least with administration, you know, I mean, that just, that stuff just gets sticky. I mean, I've had to
00:24:21
Speaker
you know, filling out that that nonprofit paperwork, you know, I had to do it line by line. Look at look up about a billion definitions because just because you think you know what something means, it doesn't mean that the IRS defined it that way. And of course, you know, that that definition could be different. So you got to be double check because there's a couple of things I checked and apparently I grabbed the I checked it from the wrong year's version of the rules.
00:24:49
Speaker
So you basically kind of have to learn basic CPA skill set just to get it done and It was it took me a while But it got done and it's it's now just in a review process right now so that I know that I didn't completely jack it up and then then we're gonna submit that probably I Get back in like two weeks. It's probably be submitted right when I first get back in two weeks and
00:25:18
Speaker
nice good stuff and then it's all dependent on the federal government to approve it or tell us that we screwed up the paperwork and send it back to us for an edit yeah but this is the thing as well i think it's important to show people that you're just regular guys like everybody that could be me or everyone in the chat here who had just taken upon themselves to do something within this field and you're not
00:25:39
Speaker
Different than than the average Joe and that and I don't mean it in a negative way or more a derogatory way I'm sitting in my truck doing this interview with you because I've got Four boys and my daughter sitting in the house because uh, you know life happens My brother's kids got kicked out of their daycare and now guess who's house they get to go to after school every day you know, so that was something that just happened so it's like I
00:26:04
Speaker
That's life, you know, and luckily my sister-in-law is going to hang out here for a little bit to make sure they don't kill each other while I'm sitting out here with you guys. But, you know, probably at the top of the hour, I'll probably have to head out. You know, Kristen Thompson asked a question, where is UAPX in five years, which I thought was a great question. And I'll go ahead and say this, probably with Gary and Jason in agreement, if we do our job right,
00:26:35
Speaker
We don't have to be here in five years. Nice. Well, if we do our job right, we'll be developing new technology in five years. Yeah, our mission statement will change. Our mission statement will have to change a little bit from trying to figure out what UAPs are to studying the technology and developing new technology from UAPs. And I mean, even if we, because our first goal is basically
00:27:01
Speaker
almost done to be honest because with the federal government basically saying that these things are real you know that's like half the battle right there I mean yeah everybody wants to hear you know hear all the nitty-gritty stories that everybody's been told in the back channels since you know the 30s but we kind of have to grow up with that that's not gonna happen you're lucky to get what you got from 2003 on and that's all that that's where it's gonna stay they're never gonna admit anything back past that
00:27:30
Speaker
It's too much liability, too many careers that ended over stigmas, too much lost revenue over issues. God forbid you get into the really dark and nasty stuff. I think that's what puts us differently here.
00:27:50
Speaker
when you say taking funds and grants and stuff from the federal government, once they get their hands in to an organization, they don't take their hands out. And that's a problem. That becomes a huge problem within the community. And that's something we're going to try to avoid like a plague because, you know, once you give over the reins of your organization to meet the demands of the federal government, now you have to, you know,
Data Collection and Accuracy Emphasis
00:28:19
Speaker
Now you're silenced and no, thank you. No, thank you. What would that mean? Clear to everybody is don't work for or with this or any other government. We haven't taken federal funding. We get no grant money. We haven't gotten any government contracts and we don't directly supply any of our data to any of the intelligence communities. Once it's out there, we can't stop them from looking at it or using it, but we don't give it to them.
00:28:49
Speaker
And a lot of folks out there think that UAPX, when we say that we're collecting data, they think that we're collecting historical data from past cases or from the CIA reading room or something. That's not it. We have a full team with a plethora of equipment out there, boots on the ground, getting the data in real time. We're not cherry picking anything. If we record something, we record it. If we don't, we don't.
00:29:15
Speaker
That's right. So this is data that you go out and get yourselves. Yes Nothing we're not interested in seeing anybody's cool footage I mean, I'm not trying to invite the I get a landslide this stuff, you know constantly, you know Hey guys, look at this and you know about it People have to remember though for a scientific analysis of their footage, you know, there's only so much we could do even if we did do
00:29:43
Speaker
do an analysis on it. A, we weren't there. B, we have no way of knowing you mean it. We don't know what device they filmed it on. We don't know where they were, their GPS location, the azimuth of the camera. We don't know, you know, there's so much we don't know about that film that as far as I'm concerned, every single thing I get is a really good fake. You know, I got you. Yeah. We've even thrown away some of our own stuff
00:30:12
Speaker
because we forgot to set the azimuth on the camera. Wow. We couldn't go back and say, well, we think it was at 263 degrees. Sure. Because we don't know. So we have to discount whatever it was that camera captured because we were the dumbasses that set the azimuth. Or we got to go back and basically verify the azimuth from other cameras, you know, because, you know, if there was another camera that caught the same same event, then we can then we can kind of, you know, we can figure it out. But
Investigation Logistics and Natural Measurements
00:30:41
Speaker
Yeah, so like he said, we know we've had, you know, and unfortunately, during certain circumstances that we'll be able to talk about further later, you know, that that may have happened a couple of times. So to kind of really hit at home, there was one incident, I mean, no dates, times and locations, but we thought we had caught something that was really, really important. But we couldn't use it because, like I said, we had no idea where the camera was pointing.
00:31:10
Speaker
Luckily, we had other cameras that were around that had taken pictures of where that camera was. So we had to go back into Google Maps, get satellite imagery of where we were posted up, and use trigonometry to figure out how the camera was pointed, what the elevation of it was, what the direction of it was, and then figure out, kind of go back into the data and plug in the directionality of the camera to be able to use that data.
00:31:40
Speaker
Wow, that's amazing. I've just noticed this comment here from my friend Lara, ParanormalPixie, saying, could you give an example of a typical investigation day? Yes, the boring details too. And I'll just follow up with saying, so if you get to a location, and let's say you've got the Osiris and any other extra equipment, is there a base level of what you want set up immediately to start the day? And as you start that, I'm just going to check on my daughter. I've had a shout.
00:32:10
Speaker
Alright, well, for me, I'm gonna go ahead and take that one because of we can't really talk about. It all starts with coffee. No, yeah, coffee and breakfast. But but what and how we did the the our current first expedition we can't really talk about, but I can't talk about how we plan on setting things up in the future. So
00:32:38
Speaker
If you can picture two trucks, the Osiris and a second vehicle that's very similar towing two military style trailers that are, what size are those trailers? Six by eight. They're six by eight military trailers with antennas sticking out of them. And then an RV pulls up behind that.
00:33:05
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You know, that's going to be our basic setup for, you know, remote locations. Then we'll set all of our gear up. We'll have standalone stuff that's set up and dialed in by azimuth and direction and everything. And then we'll also have these two pull behinds that we're going to have in our truck that we're going to be able to go drop off to basically triangulate data with.
00:33:30
Speaker
And then of course we'll be able to use our trucks as mobile command centers, but the actual, you know, the camper or the mobile home or the camper will actually be set up for, you know, that'll have basically a nerve center and plus provide us a nice little comfy spot to sleep. I'm not, you know, offense, but I'm 41 years old. So glamping is all the rage for me. I'm not looking at the pitch of tent in the middle of Sedona. So.
00:34:00
Speaker
And as far as equipment's concerned, you know, we have to spend a lot of time just getting the baseline measurements because if we throw a survey meter or one of our muon detectors out there and record readings, it makes no sense
00:34:18
Speaker
To do that without understanding what the natural background is. So right now we even have Matthew should August are one of our physicists who is using this equipment on commutes and in aircraft and he is taking basically coast to coast background readings with this thing so that we can use it as comparative measurements.
00:34:42
Speaker
Yeah. And this is one thing that I wanted to reiterate to people as well, is that you guys are quite separated, like location wise, where you live and things like that. It's not like you guys just get together every Saturday and go out and do this. No, we're, we're quite a, quite a bit of a ways away. I'm in Florida, uh, Jeremy's in Las Vegas. Uh, Jason, he's up in, uh, Georgia, right? Georgia. And we got.
00:35:08
Speaker
Michael Hall, he's out in California. And then we got Matthew and Kevin are up in New York. And then we got Chris Altman, he's over in the Philippines. Yeah, so we're pretty spread out. You know, maybe someday, you know, if we ever get those big numbers like move on, not not not comparing our company, our company with move on, but
00:35:37
Speaker
If we ever get that kind of operational, you know, funding, you know, we might have a brick and mortar building where we all can be, you know, it's good to have goals, man. I don't really see too much of a necessity for the brick and mortar stuff. Um, you know, we, we work great remotely already. Um, plus we all have families. We love the areas we live. I know I think me and Jason are about the only people that are really kind of looking forward to getting hell out of Dutch from where we're at.
00:36:07
Speaker
Um, I can't, I can't, I can't, uh, I honestly love the laws in Florida, but I hate the weather. Really? Yeah. I absolutely think this weather here is atrocious. Uh, anything over 65 degrees with a breeze and zero and zero humidity is horrible.
00:36:29
Speaker
I live in the north of England and you know the reputation of England. I'll take your overclass, your overclouded, your overcast, cloudy, dreary, bone-chilling. I understand that chill in your bone that you get in that weather. And you know what? I can live off that stuff. Wow. Here in Vegas, it's like
00:36:53
Speaker
baking cookies in your oven, opening up the door to the oven, sticking your face in it, and there's no cookies. Yeah. That was just you opening your front door. Yeah. In Florida, it's like you open your front door and you have to,
Equipment Development and Fundraising Efforts
00:37:08
Speaker
you literally got to go get a freaking scuba mask to breathe in Florida because it's so humid. Yeah. Damn. That's crazy, isn't it? You get used to where you live and then you kind of, man, we should all house swap.
00:37:20
Speaker
the the
00:37:47
Speaker
Nevada, right? Yeah. So if you go out there during the cold months, it's beautiful. But during the summer, it's an absolute nightmare. I mean, it's a desert.
00:38:03
Speaker
Not my cup of tea. I was just looking in the chat. Yeah, I'm in the chat about somebody was asking about like, like doing investigations and stuff. And I had mentioned, you know, like kind of the cost of how, how much it costs to do it. And, you know, for like a week long investigation, it costs a lot of money. People don't realize just how much it costs to get, you know, to, well, for one,
00:38:31
Speaker
You know, just the location we were at was $1,000 an hour to rent the location. $1,000 an hour. An hour. Five days. Yeah, we're there for five days. But your typical five day, I mean, you got to remember, you got to have lodging, you got to have transportation, you got to get there. So you got people coming in from all over the place, then you got to move your equipment.
00:38:58
Speaker
It adds up. Luckily for us, for our first expedition, we had somebody that was lending us a lot of really great equipment. But now we're kind of looking at improving that situation and basically not being able to... We kind of learned a lesson about relying on any one person owning equipment. Because how it kind of goes now where we all kind of have
00:39:22
Speaker
this and that, and everybody maintains their own equipment, the company itself doesn't own any equipment. So we're hoping within the next year or so, you know, that we'll have a full complement of company owned equipment, plus also, you know, our own personal equipment to grow to. So especially with the primary members, you know, the people, you know, that aren't feeling anywhere, going anywhere.
00:39:49
Speaker
Yeah, totally. And we built a lot of our own stuff as well. I mean, my garage looks like a 1980s Radio Shack exploded right now.
Community Building and Transparency Commitment
00:39:58
Speaker
I've seen your garage, bro. When you came on that Instagram live, man, like, that was impressive. But the fact that you were working on some crazy piece of equipment as we spoke, just proved and showed that, you know, it is kind of do it yourself. You do it, you make it happen, you know.
00:40:15
Speaker
That was my, it's basically an audio encoder that takes any type of digital audio and encodes it into a laser beam. So the FCC highly regulates any types of transmissions. You can't have a broadcast station or anything like that without an FCC license, but they do not regulate the ability to shine a flashlight or shoot a laser. So what I do is I take digital audio through like an iPod or an iPhone
00:40:44
Speaker
And I run it through a system that encodes, or it modulates the voltage of the laser to match with the frequencies and the wavelengths of the sound. So I can take any sound, whether it's, you know, Imagine Dragons or a recording of, you know, digital pie. And if we see an anomalous object, and after we verify that it's not a domestic, we can shoot a laser beam at it with an audio recording. And hopefully,
00:41:14
Speaker
Yeah, so basically it's a lot of information for saying that we're able to Utilize and just about any frequency of light in a laser beam ultraviolet infrared and sending out information and receive Didn't you then you post some of that on the OSIRIS Yeah
00:41:41
Speaker
Yep. Yep. I've got a demo videos of that. Yeah. All the links, all the links for you guys are in the description below. Let's jump on to the OSIRIS because I know that you've had teething problems over the last year with that. So are you able to give us an update? Are things progressing at all? Yeah. Yeah. So the OSIRIS is going through a refit. When, when it goes out on expeditions, I have a learning curve because honestly, nobody's really ever done this before.
00:42:09
Speaker
So you outfit it with equipment. You take it on an expedition. You use the equipment. You find out what works. You find out what doesn't work, what could be improved. And then when you're home, you gut it. You cut all the wires, and you make it more ergonomically. You replace one camera with one that works better. You find out that your Wi-Fi absolutely sucks, and you replace your modems. And it gets rebuilt after every event because you learn what works and what doesn't.
00:42:40
Speaker
Right now, I just told the guys today, as a matter of fact, I'm starting to collect the pieces and parts required to build what is called a passive radar. Again, the FCC doesn't allow you to transmit the wavelengths that that a radar system uses without an appropriate license.
00:42:59
Speaker
but what a passive radar does is our skies are inundated with tv signals and radio signals and everything you know that's being broadcast already and aircraft and hopefully uap already reflect all those signals so what you do is you build a device that takes the reflectivity from all the signals that are already out there
00:43:22
Speaker
And it measures them, and it displays the track of that object based on all the other radio signals that it's reflecting. So that is going to be incorporated into the OSIRIS as soon as I'm done with it. And I think, Gary, I think I've heard, I can't remember where, that you plan on adding another vehicle to the fleet, let's say. Oh, yeah. Jeremy's been a big inspiration.
00:43:47
Speaker
the the
00:44:00
Speaker
care because this man has spent endless hours writing up articles, writing up doing, you know, dealing with, you know, problem after problem with, you know, his truck and, you know, providing his truck to us when we were, you know, we went out and skinwalker providing his truck anytime we need it, you know, and basically, you know, he himself, you know, uh,
00:44:26
Speaker
not to just bloat, not just shoot his horn. I gotta, I gotta deflate him a little bit. You know, he said to learn, he said to learn how to be a team again, you know, cause he's been out of the service a long time. Like, you know, me and him and Jason, when we're working together, physically together, we just write into lockstep because we're all military.
00:44:44
Speaker
Yeah. But, you know, once we're separated and you're in your own home and stuff like that, you know, we, we kind of all have to learn to be that team again. You know, we're not, you're not, he's not lone wolfing it, you know, and he had spent so many hours and you know, you should have seen the things this guy did to make sure that that truck was, was ready to go. And when it, when it did break down, was able to
00:45:06
Speaker
on location
00:45:23
Speaker
All right, I got a great idea. I'm gonna go to Walmart and get a wire, a picture hanging kit, use the wire from that and bungee cords. And he literally drove his truck home that way. I had a bungee cord going from the motor on my throttle cable.
00:45:39
Speaker
Over my hood around the passenger door and I was using my hand to control Yeah, I mean the guys the guys that I realized MacGyver and you know His his personality quirks aside, you know, I've had no problems with him, you know he he's been a great addition to the team and
00:46:03
Speaker
the
00:46:22
Speaker
place. He had had some personal issues happen that were out of his control that were just a rough situation. His truck was broke down. The registration was coming due. He was looking at pretty grim times. I thought to myself, this is the least I can do for this guy. Just start talking to people about because we need to get this truck up and running.
00:46:46
Speaker
and you get it operational properly to where he's not having to jury rig this thing every time we bring it on the road, you know, because I mean, it's a capable vehicle, but it's an old vehicle, which means that things are going to go wrong. It needs, you know, and so the first portion of this is, you know, basically to get it up and running, get it upgraded, get everything working properly. And then once we get it to where we want it,
00:47:13
Speaker
you know, then I'm going to change that fund to the Osiris maintenance fund, you know, and I'm still going to keep telling people, you know, donate to the Osiris because, you know, this guy puts his heart and soul into this thing. And, uh, you know, without those donations, that truck just rots, you know, and I mean, he's put his own money. Well, I mean, when it comes down to it, anytime his family has a problem, it's going to end up being put in a back burner because the money is just not going to be, there's no extra money, not, you know,
00:47:43
Speaker
So priorities, isn't it as well? Family first, you know, we're volunteers in UAPX. None of us get paid. We all either have jobs or are looking for jobs. Plus we all have families and UAPX is more requirement than a normal 40 hour a week job. So we're balancing everything that we do with UAPX with our nine to fives and with our families and trying to maintain sanity at the same time.
00:48:09
Speaker
Of course, understandable. I think people just see a little bit of us. And I don't mean necessarily me as much, but a little bit is they see us on Twitter and social media talking about UAP and that. And I mean, they don't see the family and the day to day life you have to go through within a spare minute. You get to do a little bit of something. You do it. And it's none of us have golden clad toilets. You don't. You don't.
00:48:48
Speaker
That UFO money you're lucky to get a hole in the ground, right?
Mission Clarification and Technology Integration
00:48:54
Speaker
It's a labor of I'm not even gonna say it's a labor of love but it's a labor of passion because You have to be dedicated to wanting the final answer
00:49:08
Speaker
Yeah, and you know, all of us have been touched in one way or another by our own individual experiences regarding the phenomenon. And we're all here for one unified goal of finding out what the hell that was. I mean, you say that my, my, my experience with the phenomena is, is not a personal thing. I've never seen anything. But it's because of people like you guys who, you know, only a few years ago, when I was sat in the background in my in probably in this room in front of this computer,
00:49:37
Speaker
on my own for many nights, watching stuff, digging deep into documents and hearing your guys' stories that kept pushing my passion higher and higher to the point where I had to become involved in the subject. I may be different from you guys in that respect, but at the same time, we are in that same position of wanting the same answers.
00:50:02
Speaker
doing our own part where we can. And, you know, I'm dedicated to it to the point where I could be out earning a really, really good wage doing my old IT work and stuff, but I don't I dedicate it to this. And, you know, I'm not looking for a sob story or even I'm not looking for thanks, but I'm just being realistic and letting people know that it ain't just a simple case of Yeah, we do this for the crack. And yeah, and you can't you have to take a break.
00:50:30
Speaker
You have to step back from this because this is such an enigma. It's such a mystery. There's so many, well, there's so many rabbit holes that you can go down. And I think, to be honest with you, I think that we here at UAPX, we actually have it easier than a lot of other people because everybody else that's out there is, you know, they're doing what you did, Vinny. They're going through historical documents. They're looking at cases. And we know that there are a lot of things that are fabricated. There's a lot of lies out there. There's disinformation.
00:51:00
Speaker
and some of it is so damn convincing that you don't know what you're reading is the truth or not. We don't deal in that. We deal in hard scientific facts. We may not have the flashy, we're going to drop this video at high noon on Friday bullshit, but you can guarantee what you do get from us is going to be the real deal.
00:51:23
Speaker
It may not be up to your hopes and desires, but we're going to keep at it until we do give you something that is up to your hopes and desires. And hopefully what we do have will blow everybody away. There's a question, is there any way that you can help us? Well, there's three ways that you can help UAPX. Either you can donate to the Save the Osiris Fund to help with upgrades and
00:51:52
Speaker
with funding of the Osiris. And then if you go to our website, you can donate one of two ways. There's a tiny little link in the middle that's a PayPal donation place where you can actually donate once, you know, a one-time donation. Or we actually have a Patreon set up right through our website. We also accept crypto payments on that as well. There's the QR codes. If anybody is crypto savvy and wants to do donations in crypto, we can accept those as well.
00:52:22
Speaker
the the
00:52:35
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's that's for when we start working with Raytheon Don't even joke because people will take this website they actually promote the 2004 event The Nimitz encounter basically saying that they tracked on you know, you're focused with their systems so
00:53:04
Speaker
I thought that was pretty badass. What? That's crazy. Yeah. There's some wild stuff out there. Sitting back and scouring over social media and reading about ourselves, it's amazing to see the rumors that have been ascribed to us.
Community Collaboration and Future Plans
00:53:25
Speaker
There's a rumor that the United States government passed on our offer of giving them data.
00:53:32
Speaker
First off, we haven't finished analyzing our data. Second, we're not we and I'll say it again, we will not provide the US government early access or direct access outside of
00:53:46
Speaker
the way that the public gets it. Well, I'm going to caveat that they show up armed at my house, they can have the hard drive. I'm not going to go on these. I'm not going to get that. Oh, no. Oh, no. My family's in the house here. These things show up. Here you go. You know, but you know, when it comes down to it as an organization, we are not providing the data to anybody at the moment at all. Nobody, not even just ourselves. That's our scientists.
00:54:14
Speaker
Nobody's even had a chance to evaluate it and say it's good or it sucks. I mean, that has not happened. There was another one that I saw on Reddit. Somebody said that UAPX was projecting whale song into the ocean to attract underwater UAPs. No. We don't project anything into the ocean and we certainly don't broadcast whale songs up into the air either.
00:54:38
Speaker
I think that probably extrapolated from our origins though, because when we first started, Kevin Day had this idea that these UAPs might be tracking whale pod migrations through that area. And that may have been where that evolved from.
00:55:02
Speaker
So, I mean, you know, you know how these things evolve on Twitter and on 4chan and, you know, and all these other, you know, friggin, and Reddit. I mean, Reddit, I mean, Reddit's almost as bad as Twitter at this point. Yeah, it's like, oh, yeah. Well, we started our own Discord channel and the Discord channel in less than a month has gone from like five people to almost, I think we're approaching the 500 person mark now.
00:55:31
Speaker
And it now I'm gonna go ahead and give all the credit to Jeremy for this because I actually created this discord channel like Months and months and months and months ago. It was just like, okay I'm just gonna set it up just a way nope, you know, just you know, just to have that place marker for you APX on there, you know So nobody else can like take the uapx name, you know, and then Jeremy's like, oh we got a server I'll like yeah here you go invite boom next thing you know, we got like
00:55:58
Speaker
you know, three hundred followers and I can't even keep up with the chat anymore, you know, because it used to be I could be able to pop on there and I had my three faithful guys that were always in there asking questions and, you know, and then hop back up. Now I get on there and I'm like, I don't even bother to try to read all the shit. I just go right to the bottom and say, hey, guys, I'm here. What's going on? It's amazing because it's the antithesis of Twitter.
00:56:23
Speaker
Twitter is restricted in character limitations. You're forced to be very curt and very direct with your comments. On our Discord channel, it's not a hate fest. It's a community of people who are actually, you know, using their words to ask questions and provide opinions. And, you know, I haven't had to ban anybody from there. It's self policing and it's a really cool place to kind of chill out. And honestly, I mean,
00:56:50
Speaker
Unless you want to come onto our server and just be a straight dick, you're not going to get banned, if you have a contrary opinion.
00:56:57
Speaker
I'm a big proponent. As you can tell, you know, Mick West, he's my boy, you know, I don't have a problem with anybody that's cynical. I don't have a problem with anybody with like a, you know, I don't care if you come on the server and say, you guys are all full of shit. And what you saw was government crafts. Okay. It might be, I don't know. Yeah, your theory could be right, but it's just, you know, unless you got proof, it's just as whacked out as ours, you know?
00:57:23
Speaker
Absolutely. Somebody just asked where to find the Discord server. If you guys go to our website uapexpeditions.org, on the bottom of every page is an icon that will take you to an invite for the Discord server. Everybody watching this that's not live and after the fact, I will add this as soon as this finishes. I'll pop it in the description with all the other links, so don't worry. And in the future, I'm working on a podcast of my own.
00:57:53
Speaker
So it's you know, it's gonna be you know, it's gonna be something individual something for me to have my own platform to kind of you know Feel good about myself Hey, is that is this a YouTube channel that you've currently got set up already or is that a new time? No, I'm probably gonna end up rebranding that channel It's it'll still be me but I you know, I'm paying for the fancy stuff to be you know, I
00:58:20
Speaker
developed for me, you know, the name and everything like that. And when before anybody says, oh, he's paying for his, you know, I'm not paying for subscribers. I'm just paying for cool, cool overlays and to look a little bit more professional because if you go up to my site now and you see lunch with Gary, you'll see why I need help.
00:58:42
Speaker
So, yeah. That brings up another thing. Our website. We've redesigned it and it's not great. We are again all volunteers. None of us are paid and
00:58:56
Speaker
I don't think there's anybody on staff with UAPX that has any experience in marketing or graphic design or anything like that. So what we've put out there is the product of our own effort. We didn't have anybody come in and put it together. So as we move forward. If you think it's shy, just remember, we didn't go to school for that. We just were like, that looks cool. Yeah, it looks cool. All right, let's do it.
00:59:23
Speaker
Yeah, so I only got a couple more minutes to give you guys. If there's any other questions that you have, Vinny, or if there's like something specific to me that you want to talk about, now's the time because I can't keep my sister in there with that hoard of children for too much longer.
00:59:42
Speaker
hey brother I appreciate that so much man and no I don't this was literally what I said to you guys or the other guys before is that I wanted this to be an organic conversation I didn't want to throw massive questions at you guys because I know there probably wouldn't be massive answers because we're still in that kind of period where we're waiting and you're under your NDA for that for that what everybody really wants to know so this was just a touch base speak to you guys let us know what's going on and we can speak again later in the year maybe in the summer when
01:00:11
Speaker
You're a lot freer. And we're going to be going. Yeah. Once once once the onset project that we can't talk about that we might have done does debut, we'll be free to talk about a lot more. But also remember that we still have scientists that are working on stuff and they'll have just to submit. I mean, they're all they're working on their white papers right now.
01:00:37
Speaker
the the
01:00:55
Speaker
we're still going to be going through them, you know, Kevin and Matthew to make sure what they want or feel comfortable with us talking about. And since we're not the scientists, we want to make sure that we're talking about them correctly and that we're not, you know, we're not misrepresenting anything. So we can talk about the process of how the papers get published, but we can't talk about the science in there because honestly, there's equations inside of there that make my brain melt when I look at them.
01:01:25
Speaker
Yeah, they send that across to me and I'm like, I'm a knuckle dragger, you know, like eight. I'm a bit the opposite. I try to replicate it and then realize that they're using programs.
01:01:37
Speaker
Oh, you should have seen that realization in my head. So they're sending out this stuff for us. And I'm over there with pen and paper. And I'm like, oh, geez, freaking Christ. How do they do this so fast? I'm literally doing this all out by hand. And I'm like, I don't even understand how they do all this stuff. And then Matthew's like, oh, yeah, we use computer programs. We punch in the numbers and do this. And it just pops us to the edge. I'm like, oh. Thanks for sharing, guys.
01:02:07
Speaker
Well, if you went to college and you worked in the field, I mean, it's just like with any job, you know, it's like when I was a cable guy, I mean, how many of you guys know how to run a DSAM meter that can check your cable, you know?
01:02:23
Speaker
Exactly, you know, so you don't know that you don't know the shortcuts until you're in the field. So, you know, absolutely, man. But listen, Gary, man, I appreciate your time, man. We won't keep you any longer, brother. I really do appreciate your time so much, man. You've been supportive of me personally, and I appreciate that so much, man. So, Jeremy, I try. I try, man. But like I said to these guys earlier, I support these
01:02:52
Speaker
I say these, there aren't any others like you. And I supported you guys from the start and I'll continue to do whatever I can for you guys to push your message, your work, anything you're doing out there. I am a hundred percent on your side. So just go. No, no. Anytime man. So Gary, you can jump off whenever you want. I'll keep Jeremy and Jason. Cause if anybody in the chat really does have any burning questions, fire away. Jason's been doing good. He's been in that chat now.
01:03:20
Speaker
Uh, yeah, normally I have three monitors. So usually I'm listening to everything like that. Uh, when you, when you got a little bit later of a podcast, it's a lot easier for me because I know the kids are down. Um, uh, Jeremy Jason, if there's any pressing matters, I can still be reached by text message to answer any specific questions and stuff like that. Thank you for not turning on your turn signal while you were in your car, bro. The blink is the blink.
01:03:50
Speaker
Is it really that loud? It sounds like one of the wind-up monkeys that's hitting the cymbals. We'll just say we have a weekly meeting and sometimes I'm on the road. I'm sitting here waiting at a light and Jason's over there losing his mind. He came up in the private chat earlier and I was like okay.
01:04:12
Speaker
I hear you. I guess I gotta hear myself one day. Hey, guys, record it for me one time. Yeah, no worries. All right, take it easy, guys. Thank you for having us. It's an honor and a pleasure. Thank you, my friend. Appreciate it. Yeah, I just saw a question in here. How has the data you collected changed any of your minds? And I'm going to tell you right now, yeah. Yeah, for me.
01:04:40
Speaker
I'm the skeptic. I'm a skeptic when it comes to all this. So like, yeah, that's about as far as I can go. That's cool, man. I'm going to give a quick shout out to Walker Dale. I know I've had you on the screen for a while. Thank you so much for the $5. Love your work, gentlemen. Echo one rules. Thank you so much, man. Appreciate that.
01:05:00
Speaker
Damn Jason, that's a statement and I like it. So that gives me hope for the future. I think the best way to describe the way that I come into this is always, to me, anything that I see is provable until it's unprovable. And then it's man-made until it's not man-made. Right. I like that. Yeah, totally. We don't care. I'm not going to say we don't care.
01:05:30
Speaker
we don't have a vested interest in the ultimate answer. If it turns out unprobable, but if it turns out that everything is domestic and has a prosaic explanation, that's the answer. If it turns out that a portion of it is and the rest of it is
01:05:46
Speaker
is off world, that's the answer. But we are approaching this in a way to find the answer, not to create data that conforms to an answer. Right. Sure. Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. And I hate it when people sensationalize things. I absolutely hate it. Yeah.
01:06:13
Speaker
got to keep it grounded as much as we can. Because in this subject, that ain't easy. Yeah, we got we got taken to task for that press release. And it was people were saying that we were hyping discoveries and that you know, this is another incident of somebody saying that they have all this miraculous stuff, but we can't tell you right now. And it was literally nothing more than an end of year statement to recap
01:06:39
Speaker
What we've done, what we're working on and when people can expect to see our results. We don't even have our final results yet. Right. So we weren't hyping anything. We were just keeping people informed of progress. No, absolutely. When I saw that, I was like, God, you guys hired someone good to write that.
01:07:06
Speaker
That's what I do. I know I'm a tech writer. So one of the things that I do in one of the reasons that I've caught so much crap on Twitter.
01:07:17
Speaker
is because my previous occupation, I was a tech writer for the US defense industry, specifically with drones. I worked for a company that maintained, built, flew, designed payloads for a wide variety of military unmanned aerial vehicles. And I carry a clearance. I still have a clearance. But
01:07:39
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my job was to go out, interview subject matter experts, find out what our capabilities are, and then write proposals and submit them to the US government on behalf of this company. So if the government was saying, hey, we need a unmanned aerial vehicle that's capable of 60,000 foot flight, 22,000 kilometer coverage area and with the sensor payload, I would have to write the capability statement of what we have, how it can do its job and everything. So I'm
01:08:09
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I'm very keyed in to the world of drones. And one of the reasons I got so much crap on Twitter is because when people would post videos, I would look at them and I'd be like, oh, that's an RQ-9. Oh, that's an MQ-185. I knew what it was because I was privy to that world. And I've even had discussions with our physicists because the science that they're using to analyze the data
01:08:36
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is based on what is available to them. If they don't have a clearance, if they don't know that something exists, they have to base their analysis on things that they're aware of. So I've had to educate these guys a little bit every now and then as to there's some really wild stuff in our skies that nobody has any idea about. Totally. I'm just going to check on my daughter again. Sorry, guys, but I'm going to throw this question up.
01:09:05
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How do you avoid biases in the analysis of the date or the data retrieved? I think they've been listening. I think I'll start that is when you when you when you start the analysis of the the information that we've already retrieved, the bias in which direction that you're wanting it to be could definitely show up. But when you've got other people within
01:09:35
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your group who are looking at this from a completely different perspective and you take all of the collective information and put it together because you've got somebody like me who's the who's a skeptic who's like you know this can be explained and what we do is we try to prove ourselves wrong we'll say you know okay this is what we think it is let's prove ourselves wrong and prove that this is you know whatever so yeah
01:10:01
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when you can prove yourself wrong and let somebody else do that and then prove you wrong. And then you go back and forth and Jeremy, I don't know if you can add some more to this. Well, the other thing that people have to remember is we have one PhD candidate and two doctoral PhDs with UAPX that are physicists. These are academics, tenured professors that are on staff at universities and the UAP phenomenon
01:10:29
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is a career ending death move for most academics. It's changed a little bit recently, but it's still not taken that seriously in the academic community. So if a report comes out from UAPX, authored by our physicists, that is slanted towards something being off-world technology or they come out and make a definitive claim that something is alien, that could be career ending for them.
01:10:59
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So we have to look at things, not only through science, but really definitively get down into the minutiae of things to make sure that the papers that are published don't affect the careers of our physicists. So we have to be very cautious in how we approach it. And it's not saying that we're out to disprove everything, but we are
01:11:23
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We are so cognizant of the fact that if we say something is anomalous, we have to have 350,000 pages of data to back it up that it is in fact anomalous. Right. Totally. Moving on to this. I mean, thank you for that. That was awesome, both of you.
01:11:42
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Alien World Aquatic says, how come there isn't much talk about underwater drones? Jeremy McAllen. I think we know more about the surface of Mars than we do about the floor of our own ocean. This is a human condition. We have not studied our own ecosystem. We don't know what's under the water. We're finding species every single day. And it's a hostile environment. It's easier to go to space than it is to go to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
01:12:12
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Makes sense. I think that's quite common knowledge, really, that we've explored very, very little of those depths across the Pacific and the Atlantic and those trenches. To be honest, people stand on the surface of the planet and we look up and we see strange things in the sky. There's not a lot of scuba divers out there that are reporting strange things and able to pull their iPhones out and photograph it. Good point. That makes complete sense.
01:12:39
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Well, listen, gentlemen, thank you so much. A question just popped up, so I'll bring it up. It says, does Jeremy know or think a transmedium drone is in full operation right now? Oh, yeah. Just look at the bat. We've had the BAT. It's a small drone. It's probably about half of my size. And it's actually launched from a torpedo tube of a submarine.
01:13:06
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It can go fly around for a while and then it can come back underwater and be submarine retrieved. We've had these in operation for quite some time. There you go. And that's not the only one. Throughout this one last question from a good friend you on a question for both as your view on this topic changed after your research.
01:13:25
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There you go. I wouldn't expect you to go into detail. Guys, thank you so much for the questions. We could probably keep going, but I'm going to let these guys get on with their day-to-day lives because I really do appreciate the time they've given us. We were nearly on the hour and a quarter mark.
01:13:45
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Gentlemen, thank you so much for everyone watching. If you do want to carry on the conversation, I may jump over to Instagram live in a bit. If you want to come and hang out there, I'll be there. But this was a conversation that I wanted to have. And I knew they were in the middle of an NDA. So I knew this wasn't going to be a massive revelation conversation. But I just wanted to reiterate to people that UAPX have been doing great work. They continue to do great work. But at the same time, they're just regular people like me and you.
01:14:12
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who are putting their families to one side, their day-to-day careers to one side, in pursuit of the same thing that we're all looking for, which is the truth and getting to the bottom of this phenomenon.
01:14:26
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I just wanted to do that for this time of year and to say that we appreciate the work they do. I will be supporting them fully forwards and continuing the conversation with them. Any funding that they require, I will put information on that. You can go to the UAPX website. It's all linked below.
01:14:45
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You know, this is real people doing real work. This is not government related in any way, shape or form. So I have to reiterate that. And thank you, gentlemen, for joining me tonight. I really do appreciate it. Thanks. You know, something else I want to say is you got a you got a trip coming up, too, that I think is going to be really interesting. So I'm looking forward to following you on that. That's going to be it's going to be fun, man. Thank you, man. You know, I talk the talk. I do the posts and put things out there.
01:15:15
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you know, it's good for me to get an opportunity to do boots on the groundwork, you know, it would it would just certainly add to my I don't know what the word is, but who am I to deny that opportunity to actually say, hey, look, I care about it this much that I'm going to do it. Yeah, it happens to be a nice place. I'm getting flown out to Colombia to do it. But it's not a holiday in any way, form like this.
01:15:39
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Just to reiterate that phrase, it's every day, early mornings, late nights, experiments, hiking, trekking through beautiful terrain. It's going to be tough, but yeah, I'm going to bring everybody along for the ride. We're filming a documentary.
01:15:56
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You know, it's just going to be a chance for me to prove myself, prove to myself as much as everybody else that I'm in this for the long haul. I'm in this for the right reasons. And, um, yeah, stay humble, stay humble, man. Like I just, yeah. And this is what, yeah, that's a really good point that hits home because, you know, I met you Jason. Go on. What do you hope to get out of Columbia? Do you know what an explanation and at the moment.
01:16:22
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the way I look at the phenomena that we're going to be exploring, my lean is way towards prosaic. But you know what that will mean to me is that it would be one thing ticked off the list and I can move on to the next.
01:16:34
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I'm not expecting UFOs and UAP and I'd love it to be obviously, but it's an opportunity to go boots on the ground and do some work, some work, put some graft in, and not just sit behind a computer or a phone and put posts out there and research and spend hours behind screens. It's a chance to actually put my mouth where
01:16:55
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No, cut mine. You know what I'm trying to say. Well, I tell you what, when you come back from Colombia, man, get with us because
01:17:11
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you know, one of the things that we would love to do is we would love to take a look at that data. We would love to be able to even work with you prior to the trip to help you set up a standard operating procedure that would allow our physicists to be able to review the data, knowing the provenance, knowing how the equipment was set up and, you know, the things right down to the directionality of the cameras and everything like that. And we'd love a chance to be able to take a look at that.
01:17:38
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That's really, really, wow, that's really nice of you to say so. I mean, we have a guy who's ex-military, ex-CIA with all the some serious equipment that's coming out with this. So I'll put that to the boss who's behind it all and we'll have conversations. So it's good to know that we have that support as well, though. So I really do appreciate it. We don't compete with anybody. We're all humans. We're all trying to find the same answer.
01:18:05
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We're not doing this for fame. God knows we're not doing it for fortune. We're doing it for the final answer. And whoever gets that final answer, I just hope to God they share it with everybody else. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'm in this for the exact reason. I'm honored to be able to be associated with such organizations as UAPX. So to me, to be able to work alongside, it's a no-brainer, absolute no-brainer. It means so much.
01:18:35
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I really do appreciate it. We appreciate you, Benny. Thank you so much, guys. So, guys, thank you so much. I'll let you crack on. To everyone that's watched this live, I really do appreciate you. To everyone that watches this After the Fact on YouTube, thank you so much. And this will also be going out on the Anomalous Podcast Network in association with that UFO podcast.
01:18:55
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So thank you, everybody. I really appreciate your support. It's been humbling for the last year, and I will continue to do it. So thank you so much. And we'll see you tomorrow, where Ross Coulter joins me. You can head over to my social media pages for all the details. But for now, I will see you later. Peace. Bye bye.
01:19:19
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