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Ephesians | ONE Gift Episode 14
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In this episode Danny and Shane overview the message from MVF about the gift of grace and what it looks like to turn your life over to Jesus and follow him.
Passages discussed: Ephesians 1:15-22 ; 2:1-10
Message from The Village Church referenced by Danny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP0i08MnGGs
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Transcript
Introduction to Episode 14
00:00:29
Danny Price
Hey everyone, welcome to episode 14 of the Table Talk Recap Podcast with me and Shane. um We're still in that Ephesians series. This is the second week. um Shane, remind me the title of the sermon.
00:00:41
Danny Price
It slipped me all of a sudden. It was one, what?
00:00:43
Shane
This one gift, one gift.
00:00:45
Danny Price
One gift.
00:00:46
Shane
So talking about the gift of grace.
00:00:47
Danny Price
So last...
00:00:51
Danny Price
Right, so last week was one adoption um and this is one gift. It was a great sermon. Shane was covering...
The Impact of Bible Structure
00:00:58
Danny Price
Ephesians 1 chapter, excuse me, Ephesians chapter 1 verse 15 all the way to the end of the chapter and then um chapter 2 verses 1 through 10. So kind of bouncing back and forth between two.
00:01:11
Danny Price
But it's, and again, maybe you want to talk about this for a second too. I think a lot of people don't know this, but maybe they do. The verses and chapters are not original. we We came back later and added that. So sometimes there's thoughts that that transcend chapters, so to speak, like a chapter doesn't always, we have those headings that sometimes do a good job, but the chapters and verses that were added later, it's it's a whole complete thought a lot of times is just chunked up in little sections to help us.
00:01:38
Shane
Yeah, absolutely. and And, you know, this one I struggled with exactly where to stop and start. um I thought about breaking this one up into two weeks. um Some of it kind of, I'll be really frank, came down to calendar a little bit.
00:01:55
Shane
um
00:01:55
Danny Price
Oh, sure.
00:01:56
Shane
I knew a week I was going to be gone and I was either going to have to have some so a guest come in and end the series or was going to come into Christmas. And I thought, you know what, it works.
00:02:08
Shane
um You know, even if you look at the way chapter two starts, um i it he says, I think it starts off with for this reason or something.
00:02:17
Danny Price
Exactly.
00:02:17
Shane
like And yeah, there's the connection there.
00:02:18
Danny Price
that's why that's what That's exactly why i said that. Yeah.
00:02:21
Shane
So um yeah. So, you know, it definitely a lot for one week but yeah, um I feel like it could work. so Yeah.
00:02:31
Danny Price
No, i think I think it works fine. I was just making that point to let everyone know.
00:02:35
Shane
Yeah.
00:02:36
Danny Price
Cool things about the Bible. um Is there anything from the sermon that you wanted just to briefly reiterate or anything that you had in your notes that you wished you would have gotten to?
Grace: Gift and Acceptance
00:02:46
Danny Price
Or do you feel like you communicated most of it?
00:02:49
Shane
I feel like I communicated most of it. i You know, the the point of grace, i feel like we could have hit even harder. um But it's just such a...
00:03:06
Shane
you know, you, the debate of how, you know, like of how much we grace is completely a free gift. And yet there is this response aspect and stuff.
00:03:15
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:03:17
Shane
Um, I, you know, I thought about digging into that a little bit. Um, but, um, we, we didn't really, for time's sake, I didn't get into that, but, um,
00:03:28
Shane
You know, because you have to receive the gift is way I, you know, my, I would lean towards, we have to open our arms and, you know, receive that gift, but it is a gift that's, that's, you know, so anyway.
00:03:39
Danny Price
yeah I actually, there's a bonus question I might ask if we have time at the end that has to do with that or a bonus thought that I have.
Belief to Action Transition
00:03:46
Danny Price
um
00:03:46
Shane
All
00:03:47
Danny Price
So just with the questions that I had, um it seems like Paul, and this is a common theme with a lot of his letters that he writes, he's trying to get people in these churches to move from the concept of belief in God to action.
00:04:03
Danny Price
Um, and it's not just having this, like you said, I think it was a good, somewhat it broke down, but that analogy of like the car or like, yeah, I believe in the car. Like it'll get, it could get me there.
00:04:16
Danny Price
Describe that a little bit. What's the process
Faith and Knowledge Growth
00:04:18
Danny Price
from getting to belief, quote unquote, you know, quote unquote belief, like everybody believes in God kind of deal to action because I follow him because you're a follower of Jesus.
00:04:28
Shane
but it's I think it's a journey, right, that we're we're all on. and i But I think people move in that journey differently based on their hunger, really.
00:04:40
Shane
you know got i would say God doesn't use um and give great gifts of knowledge and everything to the smartest or most, um you know, people who have been in the faith the longest, he gives it to the people who are the hungriest for it.
00:04:57
Shane
um And, you know, I've known people who, I mean, honestly, i've had I had a conversation this year this last week with someone who has only been a believer for a year.
00:05:09
Shane
um Actually, two two different conversations in the lab last week. People that have only been believers for a year who I would say because of their hunger, they have moved from that, oh, I believe, I trust, you know, a little bit to this, to a super deep action-oriented experience faith in God based on their their knowledge of him because they dig in and they're hungry for it, you know, and they're not just like going through the motions.
00:05:35
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:05:41
Shane
And I think a lot of Christians get caught up and they go into the motions, you know.
Paul's Prayer for Wisdom
00:05:45
Shane
I, you know, to jump back to the actual passage, yeah At the very beginning, at the beginning of the passage, verse 15, it's actually verse 16.
00:05:59
Shane
Paul says, i do not cease to give thanks to you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the spirit of wisdom and of revelation and of knowledge and of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened that you may know. And he talks about the hope and the glory the rich.
00:06:17
Shane
And yeah I mean, he's talking to believers here. You know, he's not talking to non-Christians.
00:06:21
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:06:23
Shane
He's talking to believers. And yet he's still saying, I'm praying you will get to this place of of knowledge and understanding that you'll be enlightened past the point that you are right now.
00:06:34
Shane
and um And I think there's that's kind of a powerful thing for us to think about, you know, um that there are people who are really not really truly living out their faith and understanding what their faith can mean to them if they would open up more.
00:06:41
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:06:50
Danny Price
Yeah. That's, that's, that's good. it It does. How do I say this? I can see how some people might take that the wrong direction. Um, it raises some red flags for me when I think people are seeking further enlightenment in like an unhealthy way. Does that make sense?
00:07:09
Shane
Yeah.
00:07:09
Danny Price
Like, oh well there's secret knowledge that only through x x y Z secret practice and you know, ah the ultra meditation or whatever, um I would tend to believe that everything that God has is available through scripture and through the asking for it, but you don't have, there's not like these secret voodoo magic, which practices that you have to like uncover and like figure out to like truly get God revealed.
00:07:35
Danny Price
Does that make sense?
00:07:35
Shane
No.
00:07:36
Danny Price
Like there's like a both, there's like a, there's ways to look at that.
00:07:36
Shane
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:07:40
Danny Price
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:40
Shane
Yeah. and And ah no, and I would say that knowledge of him, it should just come through the basic knowledge of scripture. um And it's funny is what you just said. i don't know if you if yeah you're recalling it, but man, it's almost a quote.
00:07:55
Shane
Sounds like from ah something of Mike Wingers. I just listened to a couple of weeks ago where he was talking about how we got to be careful
00:08:00
Danny Price
Oh, interesting.
00:08:04
Shane
you know Because people they are like, I'm just seeking this deeper enlightenment. And even with scripture, they all of a sudden like find things that like, well, hey, wait a second. like Let's go back. the the no None of the church fathers interpreted that way.
00:08:18
Shane
you know of so like Be careful.
00:08:18
Danny Price
Right. Yeah.
00:08:20
Shane
Don't just like think, oh, you God gave you some special nugget. that nobody else has ever received.
00:08:24
Danny Price
No. Yeah.
00:08:27
Shane
And, you know, um so yeah, I definitely think we got to be careful when we talk of that word enlightened. Definitely. It's kind of a trigger word with the culture.
00:08:37
Danny Price
Yeah, no, it is.
00:08:39
Shane
Yeah.
00:08:39
Danny Price
And I don't know if I got that from him. I might've listened to what you listened to. I just know that's a pretty hot topic now with a lot of, uh, a lot of Christianity is leaning towards more that, like that mysticism type where there's secret stuff that you have to, anyways.
00:08:50
Shane
Yeah.
00:08:54
Danny Price
Um, so you talk, I, I, I liked your little kick talking about your phone
Digital vs. Traditional Bibles
00:08:59
Shane
Thank you.
00:08:59
Danny Price
and just the dangers of the phone.
00:09:01
Danny Price
Um,
00:09:04
Danny Price
I know there are some benefits to being on your phone and even having the Bible so accessible, but in a quick summary, what would you say is this the danger other than what you said in the sermon? What's the dangers of having your phone that accessible when you're trying to read scripture?
00:09:20
Shane
I just think, I don't know if any other than it other than it really is, i think, distracting. um I think the other part about it is most people, there's there's the occasional person I know who is really good about jotting their thoughts, writing extra things down, you know taking notes while they're on a digital format.
00:09:44
Shane
Most people I know of don't do that. Um, and so there's something about when we have the written word out and we maybe have a highlighter and a pen and, you know, we were marking our Bibles and writing down keywords and, you know, writing in little questions in the margins.
00:09:47
Danny Price
I know I don't.
00:10:03
Shane
I'm also a big proponent of like wide margin Bibles, um, when you're studying because, you know, we're meant to engage with it, not just read it
00:10:06
Danny Price
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:10:14
Shane
And um so I think that's the probably other than the distractions, I think the written word just kind of been encourages us for the most part.
00:10:20
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:10:26
Shane
Now, I'm not saying there's it's evil, right? There's nothing evil about.
00:10:28
Danny Price
No. Yeah, and I did not get that impression. Yeah.
00:10:31
Shane
Yeah, um it just um and as culture changes that that might change and tools are going to continue to be more available. um But I also know in church or in any group setting, when I have my phone out, it's easier.
00:10:46
Shane
It's also easy for me to get distracted from whatever the person is saying in front of me or, you know, talk, you know, so all of a sudden now I'm not just reading the Bible on it. I'm, I'm checking sports scores or I'm, you know, looking at news or checking Facebook.
00:11:00
Danny Price
yep
00:11:04
Danny Price
yeah the thought that i had too was and it might this might be a stretch i guess but with kids um when i when sam sees me on my phone or jenny sees me on my phone they're thinking that is on his phone and most that you know i would say 80 the stuff i'm doing on my phone is
00:11:14
Shane
Ooh. ooh
00:11:23
Danny Price
not essential. Maybe, I mean, I guess maybe I should try to trim that number more to like 50% or something, but I would say a lot of time I'm on my phone. It's not necessarily, I don't have to be on my phone right then. So it's hard.
00:11:34
Danny Price
It's like a hard, um, thing when you're like dad's on his phone but dad says he's reading the bible but in like the back of your head you're like but daddy's usually on his phone when he's just like messing around or checking the weather you know stuff like that so it it almost gives the wrong impression of like i don't know if that makes any sense if that's a little bit of a stretch but like it's it's the wrong message to be sending yeah exactly
00:11:48
Shane
the
00:11:52
Shane
I don't Yeah No I don't think it's a stretch because they do They see you on the phone to do other stuff All the time so Then how do they know?
00:12:02
Shane
You know, they don't know you're doing, but when they see you with the open Bible, you know, I mean, you've been to my house and most of time I have that Bible that just sits right next to my chair.
00:12:07
Danny Price
Yep.
00:12:10
Danny Price
Yep.
00:12:12
Shane
And I think that sends a message that's, you know, that's over the years, it's always sent a message to my kids that, Hey, dad has his morning Bible time, you know?
00:12:13
Danny Price
Mm-hmm. Totally.
00:12:19
Danny Price
Yep.
00:12:23
Danny Price
Yep. Speaking of that Bible, um you did talk ah that you use an ESV version. um Didn't know if you really wanted to get into this, but if you really want to quick go over just some of the differences in the versions, why there are different versions maybe, um and why you like the
00:12:40
Shane
Yeah, that's it. Sure.
Choosing Bible Versions
00:12:43
Shane
I mean, there's so there's a spectrum when you look at um versions of the Bible. There's a spectrum from what's called transliteration to paraphrase and transliteration are are ah versions or translations that Seek to be as word for word from the original language as possible.
00:13:05
Shane
Now, in that word for word, you might lose the reader's ability to understanding the actual point and the context a little bit because...
00:13:16
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:13:19
Shane
Languages don't necessarily translate word for word. So there are some that are transliterations that are word, like they seek to be as much of a transliteration as possible.
00:13:21
Danny Price
Right.
00:13:27
Shane
And then you have all the way to paraphrase, which is they're they're going to get the key points of that together, but they're actually not that so much worried about how closely to the original language they are.
00:13:38
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:13:40
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:13:42
Shane
all of the Bibles, are all the versions are very clear. open about what their point is. They're not trying to hide it or pretend they're doing anything different. um Well, at least all all of the mainline Christian if translations of the Bible.
00:13:54
Danny Price
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:13:56
Shane
So I've always, at least for anything public, tried to stick with something that's pretty in the middle of that, if anything, leaning towards a more literal translation.
00:14:10
Shane
um And ESV does that, I feel pretty well. It has what I would call word-to-word focus, except when necessary for for understanding.
00:14:15
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:14:23
Danny Price
Right.
00:14:23
Shane
um
00:14:25
Danny Price
So versions like...
00:14:25
Shane
So that's and good.
00:14:27
Danny Price
So I'm going to throw some versions out there. So like NIV is more paraphrase-esque, you would say.
00:14:33
Shane
A little bit. And then NIV would be really close to the ESV. I would just move, you know, if you got, and if you got word for word way on the right and you got paraphrase way on the left, I would say yeah ESV is just like one step more to the right than NIV.
00:14:39
Danny Price
little bit over.
00:14:47
Danny Price
Okay. And then like andlt NLT or the message would be more paraphrase-esque.
00:14:53
Shane
Yes, those would be more paraphrased.
00:14:54
Danny Price
the new living translation.
00:14:55
Shane
And then like American standard um version would be more word for word.
00:14:58
Danny Price
ah Okay. Interesting. Cool. i Yeah. I know people have used that in the past as a like which you don't even know which, you know, version is the right version of the Bible. And it's none of those versions are saying things that are different in a, in a,
00:15:21
Danny Price
if anything, it's in a lot of grammatical and certain things that that are different, but it's not like the the key parts of scripture, the message that it's conveying is altered. think especially big things like the gospel and that it's not like, Oh, well you can get something totally different.
00:15:32
Shane
yeah
00:15:34
Shane
Yeah, yeah there's some weird there's some weird things out there, but they're not recognized by any scholars.
00:15:37
Danny Price
I suppose there are versions that are really not recognized, but are kind of weird for people,
00:15:46
Danny Price
but it's not, it's not mainline. No one's actually reading that.
00:15:48
Shane
and
00:15:48
Danny Price
So anyways, cool. Um, Just pulling up my questions.
00:15:56
Danny Price
I'm trying not to make this a long question. I'm very good at that, making something short, very long.
00:16:00
Shane
Yeah.
00:16:01
Danny Price
um
00:16:01
Shane
ah
00:16:04
Danny Price
If I'm a Christian that wants to know God,
00:16:09
Danny Price
is that even something that I can do?
Active Pursuit of Knowing God
00:16:11
Danny Price
And I shouldn't say if I am a Christian, but I'm a Christian that wants to know God. Is that, and I want to know him better. Is that something that I can do or does God need to reveal himself to me?
00:16:19
Danny Price
Is that a step that I take or is that a step that God takes for me? Has God already taken that step?
00:16:27
Shane
um
00:16:27
Danny Price
Does that make sense? Yeah.
00:16:28
Shane
Yeah, it makes it it makes sense. I would say definitely it's something you can do. um Now, we could argue whether or not God put that on your heart beforehand or not. That's a different question. but But for the average person listening, i would say yes.
00:16:44
Danny Price
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:16:46
Shane
You don't sit around and wait for God to do that for you. you You get to know God better. You dig into God's word. You open the Bible. You start reading. um If you don't like to read, you use apps. You listen to the Bible. you um you know There's the Dwell app you know that has meditations.
00:17:06
Shane
um You listen to preaching. listen. you you You do things to to dig in to God's word um and apps. I mean, there's there man, Christians aren't growing today.
00:17:21
Shane
I really think the only the only thing they can use yeah say is they're lazy because there's there're the resources available to us now compared to even when I was, even 15 years ago
00:17:29
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:17:37
Shane
It is it's mind boggling how much there is available to grow. And it's not that we're not we don't have the resources. It's that we're just not choosing to do it.
00:17:49
Shane
um Or and the other thing is sometimes we're over consuming. You know, you can over consume to a point where you're not focused on a topic. You're not focused on an area of life you want to grow in.
00:18:01
Shane
And when you don't do that you just take everything in, you actually learn nothing. Like, for example, if you you ever go to like a museum or a zoo or someplace where they have a bunch of signs, um like if you read all the signs, the studies show you're not going to really remember anything.
00:18:10
Danny Price
Mhm. Yeah.
00:18:17
Shane
Because what you did was you you took in all these different bits of information. But if you really want to remember something, if you want to grow in something, you need to focus your attention on one piece of information.
00:18:29
Danny Price
yeah
00:18:30
Shane
Um, so, you know, you like, but if you like say the same sign, if you say, hey I'm going to read, i'm going to go by that sign and read that same sign five times. Um, today as I go by it, you'll remember that.
00:18:41
Shane
But if you read every sign in the park, going to remember any of it. Does that make sense?
00:18:45
Danny Price
and the that That totally makes sense. And i um I don't know if I would be guilty guilty of that specific analogy when it comes to like the way I read the word or do things. But I definitely am ah um'm a heavy consumer of a lot of stuff.
00:19:01
Danny Price
yeah good stuff. Um, but I think sometimes it does tend to go in one ear and then out the other, because like you said, you can only retain so much, um,
00:19:02
Shane
Yeah, yeah. yeah
00:19:14
Danny Price
And I would even say too, this is something that I've, this isn't on the notes or anything, but I just listened to a sermon. I'll have to forward it to you. could put it in the, like I link it down in the bottom two for everyone.
00:19:25
Danny Price
um It was by the, it was, so Matt Chandler's church, the village church, it wasn't Matt Chandler. It was their youth pastor at that church. He did him hated a message, but I related very, ah really really similar to him.
00:19:33
Shane
Mm-hmm.
00:19:36
Danny Price
He was in a Wana kid that was like, best in state, whatever. I was a wanted kid, best in state, just like a bunch of like really similarities. His dad was a, he was a PK. I was a missionary kid, all this stuff.
00:19:47
Danny Price
And he was saying, there's a lot of things that keep you from moving into action and, you know, not just reading the word, but doing, you would love me if you do what I say kind of thing.
00:19:57
Danny Price
And He said ah common issue that he has and that people will have, but I really related to this, was you you learn so much and you you have so much knowledge, but that knowledge doesn't necessarily translate into action.
00:20:10
Danny Price
It just means you're good at gathering stuff. Like, oh, what do I think about so-and-so topic?
00:20:14
Shane
Yes.
00:20:16
Danny Price
What do I think about so-and-so topic? And you're really good at getting all those things and listening to all the right things and reading into this and reading that and looking up this commentary and whatever, but it doesn't ever actually move you into any type of change or action.
00:20:27
Danny Price
You're just like... you know, navel gazing, so to speak. And it's not really helping you. Um, and I, that was convicting for me. Cause I, if I err in any way in that, it's definitely that direction where I'm like, I love to learn, but this necessarily prompt me to, and he's like, are you becoming an expert in something you've never done?
00:20:45
Danny Price
And I know this is a rabbit trail, but I loved what he said. He said, there was one time it was a story. I can't remember. it was a, like a theologian and he was delivering this, um, sermon to a congregation and he was saying, this is how I evangelize to people. And he was going through it. And then later after the sermon, this lady came up to him and she's like, I don't think, I don't really like what you, what you're saying about like the evangelism. She's like, i feel like it's better to do it this way.
00:21:08
Danny Price
And he was like being humble. He's like, well, tell me how you do it. And I'll try, you know, just like, well, I don't, I'm not an evangelist. Like I don't do that. And he's like, well, I like my way of doing it better than your way of not doing it.
00:21:17
Shane
Not doing it.
00:21:18
Danny Price
And I was like, that, that was great. It was, it was a little convicting for me. Like, are we becoming experts in something that we have no intention of actually doing? So. Well, very, very big rabbit trail, but all to say.
00:21:28
Shane
No, but no, it goes in the same point. Yeah, because honestly, growing in God is it's learning to know him, but it's definitely applying it too.
00:21:31
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:21:38
Shane
like If you're not putting that into application, you're just full of a bunch of head knowledge.
00:21:38
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:21:45
Danny Price
Hmm. Which I think some people don't lean that way at all. And some people are like, no, I just want to know more and I need to know more. And then there's people, I think more on my spectrum, I guess. that are, they know they know a lot and maybe are have having a hard time figuring out where to focus some of that or just learning things for learning's sake that isn't healthy.
00:22:04
Danny Price
So I think we're all over the place with that.
00:22:05
Shane
ah her
00:22:07
Danny Price
Different people
Owning Your Faith Journey
00:22:08
Danny Price
need different things.
00:22:08
Shane
Oh, yeah. Yeah. We all have our different weakness.
00:22:11
Danny Price
um A little bit in line with that question, how do you train yourself or teach yourself or be taught, I guess, to own your own faith for yourself? Um, how do you move from someone who's a fan, someone who's interested, like you said, with the sports analogy, how do you move from someone who, yeah, that's my team. Like, yeah, sure. I'll watch them too. That's my team. I'm, I'm all in.
00:22:34
Danny Price
Um, is that, I know you talked about before, it's a little bit of a journey. What's the process? How do you get from one to the other?
00:22:42
Shane
Well, it like what's, what what do you have to do to take a journey? You have to take steps. Right. And, and I really think it comes down to that. You, you gotta take steps forward.
00:22:55
Shane
Um, and sometimes you gotta take those steps when you don't want to, um, when you don't feel like it. Um, you know, ah You guys, the kids, you guys have all started running.
00:23:10
Shane
And i admire that because i hate running. I just I hate it. And um but I also know I've never pushed past the point.
00:23:24
Shane
that I've heard from so many people about once you push past a certain point, you, you find some, some joy in it, you know, and you find, yeah. And yet it doesn't mean it's not hard.
00:23:36
Shane
doesn't mean you're not tired, but, but there's also benefits and there's joy and there's, you know, accomplishment and there's all that. And, and I think the same thing goes with our faith. It goes with any relationship, right? I mean, I mean, how does someone stay married for,
00:23:54
Shane
30, 40 years, 50 years, they, they push past the, oh I'm supposed to feel good all the time when I'm married. um Oh, this person's supposed to, you know, do things for me and I'm not, you know, I, I'm supposed to be fulfilled more and blah, blah, blah.
00:24:08
Shane
You push past the selfish feelings into, you the, oh no, actually, it's actually much ah but more about how I treat this person. It's much more about how God can use that to grow me.
00:24:18
Danny Price
um
00:24:20
Shane
And, you know, so you're pushing past those things you don't want to do. And, and I think in a relationship, Any real good, actually growing relationship, you have to do that. You have to push past those things. You have to learn to be selfless.
00:24:39
Shane
um And I think the same thing goes with our relationship with god You know, we have to get past. I go to church when I feel like it to. no you know what? what um One thing our family does is we go to church.
00:24:52
Shane
we we don't We don't decide on Saturday whether or not we're going to church on Sunday because that was already decided last year that we go to church every Sunday, you know, and um and reading my Bible.
00:25:01
Danny Price
Interesting. Yeah.
00:25:04
Shane
i don't I don't decide every morning, well, do I want to read today? Or, you know, no, I have it in my head. That's what I do every day. Now, does that mean I'm not going to miss a day every now and then?
00:25:14
Shane
Probably not, unless you're just super great at that.
00:25:17
Danny Price
Mm-hmm.
00:25:18
Shane
But You know, same thing. And, but the same thing goes with my wife, Tanya and I, and I, on, on date nights, we, it's just, we're, we have it in our schedule. We go on date nights. We go on, we have it.
00:25:30
Shane
We, we both, if you asked us what, what's your goal with gate date nights, it's, Hey, we go twice a month. Now, Does it always end up to be a great date night? No. Does it always end up to be like really going out and doing something fun? No. Sometimes it's, hey, we have time to go to Costco together. you know but But it's part of our schedule that we're going to spend one-on-one time together, ah minimum of twice a month, first ah consolidated time, doing something we kind of enjoy at least.
00:25:59
Shane
So it's it's taking steps and just pushing, continuing to push through them.
00:25:59
Danny Price
yeah
00:26:05
Shane
So that that was kind of a long answer, but...
00:26:06
Danny Price
no that was good and i this question is really similar to one of the first ones i asked the difference wanted to two to focus on and you did is like the ownership of it and That's something that at camp, like for Big Canyon, that's something that we try to train.
00:26:22
Danny Price
And it's almost impossible to train in a short amount of time. um
00:26:27
Shane
Thank
00:26:27
Danny Price
But is that idea of ownership? And it's a little, it's not a perfect um example, but if someone is working for Big Canyon, and I'll tie this up hopefully at the end.
00:26:39
Danny Price
If someone's working for a Big Canyon, And they're just an employee. They're clock in, they clock out. they're not take They're not going to take things as as important as they should. And it's like, ah yeah, okay, whatever.
00:26:53
Danny Price
I'm just doing the job. i'm I'm doing what I have to do. I'm getting paid to do this. Okay, so I'll, whatever it is, you know I'm running this activity. Okay, I'll just do the bare basics. But when you have that ownership and you're fully bought in, you can tell the kids that are fully bought in because they're,
00:27:10
Danny Price
they know that it represents who they are. It's like, it's like they, they take it and make it part of their identity. Like I am, it's not, Hey, you should do this or Hey, big Canyon is this. It's like, we, we are big Canyon. like So it's a little bit different. It's not the perfect example because your walk with the Lord is a little different than it's not like a community walk. But I think that's something that it took me a while to get to. Cause I was raised in a Christian household and it was hard for me to know how to own my faith for myself because there were so many,
00:27:38
Danny Price
practices and things I did that were just because I was in a family that was a Christian family. Like I didn't choose to go to church until I got a lot older.
00:27:44
Shane
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:46
Danny Price
And then I started choosing it because I wanted to, it took me a long time to get to that point. Cause we just went to church. There's a lot of that stuff that I didn't really get a choice, but once I started to own it and it became my identity, the, all those things came to life a lot more than if I was just going through the motions.
00:27:51
Shane
yeah
00:27:59
Danny Price
Sometimes you do have to go through the motions for it to come alive, but it does take a while before you start to get like that internalization of, like why you're doing what you're doing.
00:28:10
Shane
yeah
00:28:10
Danny Price
So I don't know.
00:28:11
Shane
to
00:28:11
Danny Price
For me, it it was a long it was a long process. Like 19, honestly.
00:28:13
Shane
So I'm just kind of curious, little follow-up question for you. About how old would you say you were when you started to own your faith?
00:28:21
Danny Price
I mean, yeah. honestly
00:28:23
Shane
Okay, so not, but not like 23.
00:28:23
Danny Price
i mean
00:28:25
Shane
It was... um it was
00:28:29
Danny Price
No, yes and no. So I, a little background, I guess. I mean, so I was, you know, Christian family, all that stuff. And then when I hit about 16, my parents were never like, they would they didn't force me to go to church. It was something we did. But then I started running sound for Mountain Life, which is where I went to church.
00:28:45
Danny Price
And that kind of kept, it kind of kept me going to church. But I wouldn't say I wanted to go to church. Between when I was like 16 and 19, I ran sound. And then at around 19, I moved out of the house and I was on my own.
00:28:57
Danny Price
And I kind of had a little bit of a crisis, not a crisis of faith, but like a... I had a so i had a so ah short period where I was really not sure what I wanted to do in terms of where I was going to go to church. I don't know how seriously I was taking it.
00:29:11
Danny Price
um Mike Smith was a big part of that with Uncharted and me going to that discipleship school that kind of turned me around and I kind of saw my place in in church.
00:29:17
Shane
know
00:29:19
Danny Price
um But yeah, i I mean, and that goes to show like you can crush it as parents, like but like my parents did. You can absolutely crush it and your kid still has to make a choice for themselves. Like it doesn't just magically happen just because you're a good parent.
00:29:29
Shane
Yeah.
00:29:33
Danny Price
um
00:29:33
Shane
Yeah. Yeah. yeah and I definitely would say, yeah.
00:29:34
Danny Price
It helps. It definitely helps, but it doesn't it doesn't mean that it always is that case.
00:29:38
Shane
Yep. And I would definitely say as parents, we had, you know, a few years with,
00:29:39
Danny Price
No.
00:29:44
Shane
you know both David and Rachel, that we were like, let's see where this lays out.
00:29:50
Danny Price
Yeah. No.
00:29:51
Shane
Yeah. So.
00:29:52
Danny Price
Rebellion is it happens at some level.
00:29:52
Shane
Leanna's just always been the golden one that just always loved Jesus. but
00:29:57
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:29:57
Shane
I don't know. I know she went through that a little bit. But she actually kind of went through it a little bit more in high school, i think.
00:30:04
Danny Price
e
00:30:05
Shane
Yeah.
00:30:05
Danny Price
Yeah, no, it's cool. Congratulations to you parents that are crushing it out there. I'm not trying to dishearten you. I'm just pointing out that don't be, so don't be shocked and appalled if your kids are having some rebellious faces.
00:30:15
Shane
No.
00:30:18
Shane
No, just keep praying for him.
00:30:21
Danny Price
Yeah. um Can you, this is a question I had and it just kind of came to my mind. You talk about these spiritual blessings and these riches and all this stuff.
00:30:26
Shane
like
00:30:30
Danny Price
And, there's this con there's this huge contrast in what Paul says between you're going to have all these spiritual riches and this, this wealth, and then your life is going to be kind of sucky so depending on the situation, but eternal reward and spiritual treasure does not translate exactly into blessings here materialistically.
00:30:50
Danny Price
Um, why do we so why do Why do we struggle with that? Why is it so hard to, because so many people take spiritually blessed to mean temporarily blessed, materially blessed here. And a lot of people will use that as almost a but manipulation tactic or they're expecting it. Like even for me, I think sometimes I expect if I'm following God for my life to go better, but it doesn't always, that doesn't always turn out that way. Why is it so hard for us to hold those two together in each hand?
00:31:19
Shane
You know, my harsh answer is it's a good revelation to what, to what we idolize.
Spiritual vs. Material Blessings
00:31:28
Shane
Um, because if we're translating it into material blessings, there's a really good chance you're idol, you idolize material stuff.
00:31:37
Shane
If you're translating it into, Oh, my family will always be healthy. There's a good chance you're, you idolize your family. Um, If it's your marriage, oh, I'm never going to problems in my marriage. You probably idolize your marriage.
00:31:51
Shane
um Because what we're doing is we're saying that thing that I hold so important, that's what God's going to give me. And yet yeah i there Again, Paul's a great example of this because Paul is praising God. He has hope. He has the rich he talks about the riches of the the the riches and glories of God and all the things he blesses us with.
00:32:16
Shane
And in the midst of a much harder life than anyone I know who has ever had. so So he definitely is trying to get us to get across to us that the blessings...
00:32:29
Shane
that he's talking about are when we know our hope is in God and it's not in those things, then we'll matter what we're going through, we still have this blessing because we're, it doesn't wreck us.
00:32:42
Shane
It doesn't, you know, we're, you know, I mean, I've had some really serious financial struggles and concerns, you know, in my life.
00:32:43
Danny Price
Sure.
00:32:50
Shane
And You know, you're, you, you know, we, you and I have had those talks about, Hey, if you're going to choose ministry, you're probably going to have lots of times where it's like, man, so tight.
00:32:51
Danny Price
sure
00:33:00
Shane
And what do we do? And how do we get through this? You know, but I've never, never for a minute thought, you know what? I, I, I, I'm, it's hopeless.
00:33:11
Shane
and But, you know, cause I just, that's not, I just know we're okay.
00:33:13
Danny Price
Hmm. Hmm.
00:33:14
Shane
You know? um And so, Yeah, and I think the the spiritual blessings and riches, those are the things that sometimes we're even surprised by, um things that we would never guess God would would give us and do for us and to us.
00:33:31
Shane
Now, does that not mean that... If someone, you know, we just kind of got a blessing this week, somebody just gifted us something, you know, that was pretty big like that. I was like, no way, you know, and that's awesome. And I thank God for it. And I see it as a blessing.
00:33:47
Shane
But I also don't necessarily think that's what Paul's talking about when he's talking about spiritual blessings.
00:33:52
Danny Price
Sure, sure.
00:33:53
Shane
hey It's a blessing man
00:33:54
Danny Price
what is a
00:33:55
Shane
to
00:33:56
Danny Price
What is a spiritual blessing that you would say or examples of spiritual blessings?
00:33:56
Shane
that
00:34:00
Shane
i I think if you look, go to the fruit of the spirit, you know, peace, joy, patience, kindness, self-control.
00:34:04
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:34:07
Shane
You know, when when you're really walking in Christ, those things are starting to be evident in your life. Man, the fact that I don't hold anger, like, okay, let's just take my parents and the things that they did that kind of screw me up as a kid.
00:34:23
Danny Price
and
00:34:25
Shane
I know people that would hold that against their parents for years. And then they would be, they would be bringing a curse on themselves really that they would, they'd they'd be causing themselves so much heartache and pain over that.
00:34:39
Shane
Well, the fact that I I'm at peace with that and I've forgiven them, that's such a spiritual blessing to me that it changes my life trajectory. Um, Um, the fact that, you know, we, have we have hope the the in, in eternal things and we can look around the world and well, this sucks that the world's falling apart, but good thing, this isn't my home.
00:34:59
Shane
You know, that to me is a spiritual blessing.
00:34:59
Danny Price
Hmm. Yeah.
00:35:01
Shane
So when I think, when I read about Paul talking about the spiritual blessings, yeah, I would go back, you know, the fruit of the spirit and, and, you know, the other things we see that it says that God gives us.
00:35:02
Danny Price
yeah
00:35:14
Danny Price
Yeah. And I think too, it's something that you can definitely point to, i think for yourself is just, there's like a special kind of joy. And like, I think Paul definitely has that when he's talking about all these churches and these people that he knows, and he's so encouraged by, sometimes he's not like with the Corinthians, but like Philippians, for example, like he's so encouraged by the Philippians and loves it.
00:35:33
Danny Price
And like, it's really cool when you're blessed from other people or from your kids or from a lot of those other things. I would put that in some categories of like spiritual blessings of like a parent that gets to watch watch their kid walk with the Lord.
00:35:42
Shane
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:35:44
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:35:45
Shane
Yep. I mean, this Saturday, we were just blessed with that. I told Tanya, I was like, man, it's such a blessing. We're in the middle of a project we're doing. We kind of got ourselves stuck in, you know, all about of it, but two to help somebody.
00:35:56
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:35:58
Shane
And we kind of overcommitted ourselves. And so I just put it out there, you know, and I was kind of feeling all alone in it. And we ah we put it out there for help. And, you know, I had 12 people show up and give an entire day to make make it happen.
00:36:11
Danny Price
Hmm.
00:36:13
Shane
And, you know, any it totally changed everything as for me in the way I was thinking of it and seeing it.
00:36:14
Danny Price
That's really cool.
00:36:20
Shane
So, yeah, those are definitely spiritual blessings.
00:36:20
Danny Price
I love that.
00:36:22
Shane
You know, I mean, Hebrews talks about the the great cloud of witnesses that were that we have.
00:36:26
Danny Price
Yep.
00:36:26
Shane
And, you know, it's an awesome thing.
00:36:29
Danny Price
Hmm. Really, and really encouraging.
Recognizing Conviction and Growth
00:36:32
Danny Price
um The last question that I had, so you, and I love that analogy that you used about Chino and the smell, but you're, when you're in it, you don't smell it.
00:36:42
Danny Price
It's a really good, it was a good,
00:36:42
Shane
Yeah.
00:36:44
Danny Price
Good wordplay. Does that principle, do you think, relate to the slow process of conviction with things that you do in life, where when you're doing something,
00:36:57
Danny Price
because and everyone else is doing it around you, you don't necessarily see it as an issue. But then you slowly become, I don't want to say woke, because that's a charged word. But you wake up to a sense of like, oh my gosh, what am I doing? Like, the Bible speaks against this, but I just do it because everyone else is doing it.
00:37:14
Danny Price
does that Is there some kind of parallel there that you would being dead in your sins and then being woken up, so to speak? I hate that word woke, but you get the idea.
00:37:22
Shane
yeah i think well so Yeah, I think once we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. So first of all, are you talking about and a Christ follower?
00:37:31
Danny Price
specifically just a Christ follower. I would not, i'm I'm not talking about like awaken to your sin, like capital S, like I'm a sinner.
00:37:33
Shane
Yeah.
00:37:38
Danny Price
I need the God. I mean, once you've had that,
00:37:41
Shane
Uh-huh.
00:37:42
Danny Price
that saving experience of like, I'm saved, but now I'm walking with the Lord. And for example, let's just say, I'm spending too much time on my phone and everyone else does.
00:37:53
Danny Price
And I'm not really worried about it, but then slowly through conviction, I'm starting to start to smell something.
00:37:57
Shane
Yeah.
00:37:58
Danny Price
When I pick up my phone, like, man, I, what am I doing? And eventually become it the smell becomes hard, stronger and stronger. and you're like, what am I doing? This stinks. That kind of, does that make sense? Like that kind of perspective.
00:38:08
Shane
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, I hear. Yeah. You're kind of kind of almost the backwards of it that when we get around that are leading to death for us, we start to smell it.
00:38:18
Danny Price
Yeah. Perfect.
00:38:19
Shane
And yeah, no, and I would definitely say that. I mean, there's definitely things in my life from from rather everything from shows I've watched that I'll watch them for a while and, you know, a few scenes will happen or just the the overall material that I'm like, ah, it's kind of raunchy or it's kind of
00:38:36
Danny Price
That's how I feel about a game of Thrones. I, I watched that when I was way younger and I'm like, I can't watch that again.
00:38:38
Shane
Oh, holy.
00:38:40
Danny Price
It was such a great show from us in certain aspects, but I'm like, I i can't watch it again.
00:38:46
Shane
Yeah, no, and...
00:38:46
Danny Price
It kills me.
00:38:47
Shane
um
00:38:50
Shane
Yeah. So yeah, definitely though. Yeah. There's definitely things like that, that I, that I would do for a little bit. And then, you know, i give it a pass, I give it a pass. And eventually I'm like, no, this, this doesn't smell right.
00:39:01
Shane
If you're going to use that analogy, you know, and, and and then, you know, I might even still justify it for a little bit longer.
00:39:02
Danny Price
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:39:08
Shane
And then eventually the Holy spirit convicts me enough. I'm like, Hey, what are you doing? You know, you need to move, ah move away from this, you know,
00:39:16
Danny Price
yeah
00:39:16
Shane
And so I would encourage people when you start to feel that, man, listen to God. you know he's He's trying to give you life. you know you're We're moving towards things that ah bring us death, you know even though it's not going to be a complete spiritual death if you're in Christ, but it's it's not going to lead to the blessings that Paul's talking about and that that Jesus talks about when he talks about abundance in life.
00:39:40
Shane
It's leading away from all that. and And so when you feel that nudging in the Holy Spirit, don't wait for him to have to yell at you. You know, like, like just, just listen.
00:39:48
Danny Price
Yep.
00:39:50
Shane
And I think that's part of that growing, like that growing that we were talking about earlier. Part of that growing is just learning to listen to those nudges of the Holy Spirit, you know, not, not waiting for these huge red flashing lights, you know.
00:39:55
Danny Price
Mhm.
00:40:01
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:40:05
Danny Price
Totally. No. And oftentimes the consequences of sticking with something, it crash a lot harder. You crash and burn a lot harder. If you're with sticking with something that ultimately leads to death, as opposed to just listening to it early and getting out before it's not before it's too late, but before it really becomes an issue.
00:40:22
Shane
Yeah.
00:40:22
Danny Price
Um, so well, good.
00:40:23
Shane
Yep.
00:40:25
Danny Price
Um, I'm finished with those, with the questions. Um, I think we're at a good stopping point. We're 40 minutes in. So,
00:40:33
Shane
Yep.
00:40:33
Danny Price
Good episode. um Yeah, I did not get any questions this Sunday, so no one sent me anything. So again, if you guys are thinking about it, I know it's a hard it's a hard thing to think about, but if you're you can set reminder on your phone, even as you're listening to this now. If you really you don't have anything that you want to ask, that's fine. But if there's anything that comes up during the sermon that you're curious about, we're super open to answering some questions from you guys um that are listening.
00:40:54
Danny Price
And hoping you know again, hoping that this is useful and beneficial and all that.
00:40:56
Shane
And, you know, and I'll even say, I'll even say if we come up with a, until we come up with a better thing, yeah they can email any questions that admin, admin at mbfchurch.com, you know, um because some people might not have your number, but you just email admin at mbfchurch.com.
00:41:05
Danny Price
Oh, sure.
00:41:09
Danny Price
Yep.
00:41:12
Danny Price
Yeah.
00:41:14
Shane
um We can put them in, but yeah, real quick.
00:41:17
Danny Price
Yep.
00:41:18
Shane
I just want, you know, we have been 14 episodes. This has been a lot of fun. I'm i'm really enjoying doing this with you. So.
00:41:24
Danny Price
Yeah, I'm not ah um'm loving it. Awesome. All right, everyone. Appreciate you. Appreciate you listening. And we'll talk to you guys next week. Bye-bye.