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Potential NCAA Wrestling Rule Changes - Session 77
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It's just Ryne and Reese today as they discuss the proposed NCAA Wrestling rule changes announced earlier this week. What rules need to be changed? Added? Removed? Do we need to just make the jump to Freestyle?
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Introductions and Absence of Sammy
00:00:01
Cokeley Brothers
And just like that,
00:00:04
Beelzebub
Here we are, we're alive. Without Sammy.
00:00:06
Cokeley Brothers
we are live without Sammy.
00:00:08
Beelzebub
Big brother Sammy.
00:00:11
Cokeley Brothers
No, not Big Brother Sammy.
00:00:14
Beelzebub
He's the biggest brother.
00:00:15
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, sure.
00:00:17
Beelzebub
Physically.
00:00:21
Cokeley Brothers
um i mean, I don't know. I think I weigh more than him right now.
00:00:24
Beelzebub
Make it way more than him?
00:00:26
Cokeley Brothers
I've been fluctuating a lot recently.
00:00:28
Beelzebub
Oh, I'm not talking about weight.
00:00:34
Cokeley Brothers
I'm concerned. What are you talking about?
00:00:38
Beelzebub
you know
00:00:40
Cokeley Brothers
It's okay. It's okay.
00:00:44
Cokeley Brothers
ah Welcome, everyone, to a Sammy-less barn session. Tonight, I'm your host, Ryan Coakley. I'm here with the other the other host, Reese Coakley.
00:00:55
Beelzebub
why I'm the host
00:01:00
Cokeley Brothers
We are the oldest and wisest of the three brothers, much more wise than the youngest Sammy.
00:01:10
Beelzebub
Yeah, disproportionately wise compared to our ages.
Sammy's Solo Episodes and Hanger Party
00:01:15
Beelzebub
Sammy, he's a you know got a lot to learn.
00:01:20
Cokeley Brothers
He does, he does.
00:01:21
Beelzebub
He hasn't been a rock like we have.
00:01:26
Cokeley Brothers
But we're helping, we're helping him get up there, so.
00:01:29
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:01:30
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know what episode this would be. don't know, episode something. Sammy's been doing episodes without us, so we decided we were going to give it a shot.
00:01:40
Beelzebub
Yeah, I mean, I thought you were joking when you said this earlier today.
00:01:47
Cokeley Brothers
No, I wasn't.
00:01:49
Beelzebub
You were totally serious.
00:01:49
Cokeley Brothers
I was being serious. Sammy would rather, uh, what did he say he was going? Going to a hanger party?
00:01:59
Beelzebub
I didn't even, I have no, I didn't even see what he said.
00:02:05
Cokeley Brothers
What did you see the other thing he texted?
00:02:07
Beelzebub
haven't seen nothing.
00:02:11
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, well.
00:02:12
Beelzebub
I don't know anything.
00:02:14
Cokeley Brothers
There's one thing on there that we cannot discuss.
00:02:21
Beelzebub
Oh really?
00:02:21
Cokeley Brothers
You should take a look at that.
00:02:26
Beelzebub
Fine.
00:02:31
Cokeley Brothers
You should take a look at that. Where did he say? Oh, right here. I'm at a hanger party. i don't even know what that means. What is a hanger party?
00:02:42
Cokeley Brothers
He'll have to explain it to us next episode.
00:02:48
Cokeley Brothers
and Go take a look here ah take a look at your text messages from your brothers.
00:02:48
Beelzebub
on the next episode.
00:02:49
Beelzebub
There's so many of them. So cool. So cool. I have so many texts.
00:03:04
Beelzebub
Which one?
00:03:06
Cokeley Brothers
Holy cow.
00:03:13
Beelzebub
Let's do an episode with no Sammy.
00:03:13
Cokeley Brothers
The picture. The picture.
00:03:20
Beelzebub
I don't get it.
00:03:20
Cokeley Brothers
It's all the way at the bottom.
00:03:21
Beelzebub
No.
00:03:21
Cokeley Brothers
All the way. Look, you just go all the way to the bottom.
00:03:26
Beelzebub
No, that.
00:03:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it's big deal.
00:03:30
Beelzebub
That's a big deal. His hand looks just like my hand. That's what I took the most out of that. I was like, wow, his thumb looks exactly like mine. It's weird.
00:03:41
Cokeley Brothers
that's a joe That's a Joey Tribbiani moment right there for you, Reese.
00:03:46
Beelzebub
I mean, I just.
00:03:47
Cokeley Brothers
Like when he's at the poker table and he's like, my identical hand twin.
00:03:51
Beelzebub
Dude.
00:03:51
Cokeley Brothers
That's what they have that reminded me of just now.
00:03:54
Beelzebub
I just was like kind of stricken by how similar his hand looked to mine. Did look similar to yours?
00:04:02
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I don't really... i don't Sure. hey
00:04:06
Beelzebub
You don't know your hands?
00:04:07
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe. I don't know if my hands and Sammy's hands look similar. His thumb looks... I don't know.
00:04:18
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. Anyways, here's something we can talk about.
Proposed Sports Rule Changes
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Cokeley Brothers
New rule proposals. Changes. Rule change proposals.
00:04:29
Cokeley Brothers
Did you see these, Reese?
00:04:31
Beelzebub
No, I don't know anything.
00:04:32
Cokeley Brothers
man This man has been Elden Ring in it all day, probably.
00:04:37
Beelzebub
No, bro, I got home six o'clock today. I went to work.
00:04:40
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, you had a long day at work, huh?
00:04:42
Beelzebub
i chilled afterwards and then played some basketball.
00:04:50
Cokeley Brothers
Where?
00:04:51
Beelzebub
For the first time in like forever. was just at a park right right next door to where I work.
00:04:53
Cokeley Brothers
Where?
00:04:56
Beelzebub
We just played some big and then we played some
00:04:56
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm, nice.
00:05:00
Beelzebub
Actual basketball. I'm a lot better when I'm like, there's just too much pressure in pig. I suck at pig.
00:05:11
Beelzebub
I'm a lot better when I'm moving around.
00:05:15
Cokeley Brothers
That's funny.
00:05:17
Beelzebub
i think i overthink it, I feel like. I think that's what it is.
00:05:22
Cokeley Brothers
So some of these rule changes, that they're talking about making mouthpieces mandatory. How do you feel about that one? Mouthpieces mandatory, but headgear optional.
00:05:33
Cokeley Brothers
that's what That's what's in here.
00:05:35
Beelzebub
I mean, that's cool. I think it's a good idea.
00:05:39
Cokeley Brothers
and so I see the benefits. of it, but I also see there are people that it's like, why, i mean, why are we making one piece of equipment optional and another one mandatory?
00:05:50
Cokeley Brothers
We'll just make every, just make them both optional, which I also understand that too.
00:05:53
Beelzebub
yeah
00:05:56
Cokeley Brothers
Cause it's not like we have like a concussion pandemic in the sport. You know what I'm saying?
00:06:05
Beelzebub
I do know what you were saying.
00:06:06
Cokeley Brothers
So picking up what I'm putting down.
00:06:12
Cokeley Brothers
Other rule recommendations, eliminating the interlocking fingers penalty.
00:06:19
Beelzebub
Eliminating it, why?
00:06:21
Cokeley Brothers
ah Because it's virtually impossible for referees to determine who created the violation.
00:06:30
Cokeley Brothers
So.
00:06:31
Beelzebub
Nobody ever calls it anyway.
00:06:33
Cokeley Brothers
And so I thought this was already a rule. it says stopping the writing time when the offensive wrestler is going to be called for stalling. I thought that was already the rule. Like on the drop down, if you, you know, you know what I'm saying?
00:06:46
Beelzebub
dude what once like a lot of work for a score for a clock worker whatever clock keeper school keeper
00:06:51
Cokeley Brothers
So.
00:06:57
Cokeley Brothers
ah Agreed. But I was, I was, I always thought that was already the rule. Cause like it is in locked hands. Like if you, if, if you lock your hands, like, and the referee is holding locked hands, you have to stop writing time immediately.
00:07:11
Beelzebub
there the dropping down of the lake thing is like that's too much dude i feel like
00:07:15
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm.
00:07:19
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm. Yeah, we'll see if see if that one...
00:07:21
Beelzebub
Just get rid of it. Get rid writing time.
00:07:24
Cokeley Brothers
Get rid of riding time.
00:07:25
Beelzebub
about that? Yeah.
00:07:28
Cokeley Brothers
Or not get rid of it totally, but the old... No riding time point unless you get a turn in the match.
00:07:39
Beelzebub
Why?
00:07:41
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm.
00:07:44
Cokeley Brothers
feels like you've earned that writing time point more if you actually have turned them for points. Then you get an extra point too.
00:07:55
Beelzebub
I'm just like, ah just don't want to make it any more complicated than it already is. That's sort where I'm at.
00:07:59
Cokeley Brothers
I feel like that's pretty straight straightforward, but maybe not.
00:08:03
Beelzebub
I don't know. When you explain it to someone else who doesn't understand the rules, that feels like a, well, he's getting writing time, but he doesn't actually get writing time unless he gets a turn.
00:08:15
Beelzebub
So
AI and the Singularity
00:08:16
Beelzebub
it's irrelevant until he gets a turn. I don't know. It just feels like convoluted.
00:08:21
Cokeley Brothers
All right. I guess so. um Here's a dumb one. Penalizing wrestlers for unsportsmanlike conduct for throwing, tossing, spiking, or sliding any piece of equipment before, during, or after the match.
00:08:36
Cokeley Brothers
Dumb.
00:08:38
Beelzebub
So they just went like all the way with it, huh?
00:08:41
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, yeah. if you
00:08:43
Cokeley Brothers
If you can't take your headgear off and hand... I guess you could walk over, hand it to your coach, and then walk to the center if that's really what you wanted to do.
00:08:43
Beelzebub
If you do any kind of...
00:08:53
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:08:54
Cokeley Brothers
But, so dumb. It should... I mean, if you want to penalize a wrestler for tossing it maliciously, you know, because you know when ah when a guy is, like, doing it because they're pissed versus doing it because, yeah.
00:09:08
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, it's easy to tell.
00:09:09
Beelzebub
yeah the headgear thing is so weird why are they so fixated on headgear on what you do with your head yeah
00:09:10
Cokeley Brothers
so
00:09:14
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. it It doesn't say headgear in here, but you know that that's what it's about. It says any piece of equipment.
00:09:20
Beelzebub
yeah i mean just so weird bro well what about like when you like what about your celebrations you know like it just that doesn't just doesn't make sense doesn't make any sense
00:09:22
Cokeley Brothers
So if you throw your mouthpiece, boom, unsportsmanlike conduct.
00:09:32
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, so like, would this count as...
00:09:39
Beelzebub
What if i slap the mat when I get a big win? I'm like, yeah! Well, yeah.
00:09:44
Cokeley Brothers
Well, think about how about the guys that take their leg bands off and throw them up in the air. Does that count? That's a piece of equipment.
00:09:50
Beelzebub
Yeah. Exactly.
00:09:53
Cokeley Brothers
And that's what the rule says. Any piece of equipment. Before, during, or after.
00:09:59
Beelzebub
What do one of these? Throw it to the the middle. Back to the middle. If I'm not by the middle, I take them off and I throw them to the middle.
00:10:05
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:10:08
Beelzebub
Is that penalty point?
00:10:08
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Crazy.
00:10:12
Beelzebub
that's bad.
00:10:15
Cokeley Brothers
Crazy. And then the last one is allowing the...
00:10:18
Beelzebub
I mean, so these are all proposals?
00:10:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, these are just... Nothing's been set in stone yet. so
00:10:25
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:10:26
Cokeley Brothers
Allowing the offensive wrestler to leave both feet and use one or both legs to return their opponent to the mat when the defensive wrestler is standing broomstick position.
00:10:37
Cokeley Brothers
The double knee kickback, however, still would be illegal. No, make them both illegal. They're both dangerous.
00:10:47
Beelzebub
I like the broomstick though.
00:10:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but dude, i did knees just can't handle it.
00:10:55
Beelzebub
Like...
00:10:59
Beelzebub
Like... How...
00:10:59
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe the way that like Isaac Jordan would hit it.
00:11:05
Cokeley Brothers
You know what I mean? Where he kind of he didn't really attack the back of the knee.
00:11:06
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:11:08
Cokeley Brothers
He attacked more at like the ankle.
00:11:09
Beelzebub
Oh. I guess... I guess I was thinking...
00:11:11
Cokeley Brothers
But even that's kind of dangerous too.
00:11:12
Beelzebub
was thinking of something else. was thinking of rear standing when you are in a rear standing and you like switch your feet and plant one foot behind the heel.
00:11:22
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, that should be fine. Yeah.
00:11:24
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:11:26
Cokeley Brothers
That's not the broomstick, though.
00:11:28
Beelzebub
Right. Yeah. Don't, isn't that illegal though?
00:11:32
Cokeley Brothers
so It's supposed to be because, like, right now in the rules, you're leaving your feet.
00:11:35
Beelzebub
You like at one point leave both your feet. It's crazy.
00:11:38
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Remember, because Cornell challenged, like, threw the brick in when Bo Nickel did it to Max Dean.
00:11:49
Cokeley Brothers
And technically you got a point.
00:11:50
Beelzebub
He wrestled Max Dean? Oh yeah. That was like a really close match, wasn't it?
00:11:52
Cokeley Brothers
As junior year.
00:11:53
Beelzebub
It was like 9 to 7 or something.
00:11:56
Cokeley Brothers
It was like weird like, yeah, close, but also it never really seemed like Bo was like threatened too much.
00:11:56
Beelzebub
Right?
00:12:04
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:12:06
Cokeley Brothers
But then again, that's kind of how Wyatt and Gable's match seemed until the last 30 seconds of the match. And then all sudden you're like, oh, this is real.
00:12:17
Beelzebub
What's happening?
00:12:20
Cokeley Brothers
So yeah, those are the rule rule proposals for changes.
00:12:27
Cokeley Brothers
What do you guys like? What do you not like? but rules research Are there any rules you would have liked to have seen that they didn't bring up?
00:12:38
Beelzebub
Yeah. You know what I want to do?
00:12:41
Cokeley Brothers
Are you going to say get rid of writing time?
00:12:45
Beelzebub
want to get rid of basically get rid of riding entirely.
00:12:51
Beelzebub
Just go. You know, you've heard me say it. Take down. You get 30 seconds. 30 seconds on top.
00:13:00
Cokeley Brothers
Don't we have a style of wrestling that does that already?
00:13:05
Beelzebub
Let me it.
00:13:07
Beelzebub
I'm not saying, you know, get rid of folks that I'm saying 30 in this situation, you can honestly keep writing time, you know?
00:13:19
Beelzebub
And I think like, i think, I think the tricky thing would be like trying to figure out like, okay, if I get a turn within 30 seconds, does it like restart the clock or does it, I don't know, you know, that would be the,
00:13:20
Cokeley Brothers
I see what you're saying.
00:13:28
Cokeley Brothers
A referee...
00:13:36
Beelzebub
part to figure out. don't know.
00:13:40
Cokeley Brothers
No, I see you're saying. You could, I mean, you could get referee's discretion too, you know.
00:13:42
Beelzebub
That and the...
00:13:49
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:13:51
Cokeley Brothers
Like, yeah, it isn't freestyle. Like, because, you know, i say it's like 15, 20 seconds, whatever.
00:13:56
Beelzebub
Well, in this situation, there would be, i mean, you would start the clock for writing time.
00:14:01
Cokeley Brothers
you want to put, okay.
00:14:02
Cokeley Brothers
So you want to...
00:14:03
Beelzebub
i want
00:14:03
Beelzebub
I want a hard and fast, like, 30 seconds.
00:14:14
Cokeley Brothers
I like that, actually. I wouldn't mind that.
00:14:15
Beelzebub
Yeah, yeah. and And so like the bottom guy, if he can escape, he gets a point.
00:14:17
Cokeley Brothers
Put them on a clock.
00:14:23
Beelzebub
But if not, they reset to the neutral and he doesn't get an escape point.
00:14:29
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, yeah.
00:14:29
Beelzebub
So both guys are working.
00:14:34
Beelzebub
That's situation.
00:14:39
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. I'm in.
00:14:42
Beelzebub
Dude, yeah, that would be awesome. That's never going to happen, probably, but maybe if we all believe. i so I feel like I've tweeted about that before.
00:14:56
Cokeley Brothers
You haven't tweeted in a while.
00:14:59
Beelzebub
I've actually tweeted a couple times recently, but before that I hadn't tweeted in years. I tweeted replies.
00:15:04
Cokeley Brothers
Replies.
00:15:06
Beelzebub
I've never tweeted. I don't think I've ever tweeted like outright. Like, ever.
00:15:15
Cokeley Brothers
too bad.
00:15:17
Beelzebub
I only have like, i have like 40 followers run. Well,
00:15:21
Cokeley Brothers
It's okay. Make those 40 believe.
00:15:23
Beelzebub
I mean, yeah. That doesn't, there's no point in me tweeting. I live in the replies, in the the comments section, bro. That's where I live. In all social forms of social media.
00:15:37
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:15:38
Beelzebub
I love the comments.
00:15:40
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:15:42
Beelzebub
I get excited when i see the when I see the comment icon and I see a high number, I get excited. In every scenario, I'm like, oh yes.
00:15:52
Cokeley Brothers
that's crazy it's
00:15:55
Beelzebub
yeah And you know, with Twitter, a lot of times you click on that, the the you click on the tweet to expand it or whatever, and it'll say, you know, four comments, and there's none.
00:16:09
Beelzebub
You notice that?
00:16:11
Cokeley Brothers
No, I've actually never noticed that.
00:16:11
Beelzebub
like a high point of comment.
00:16:14
Cokeley Brothers
ah there There used to be hidden replies, but I think... um
00:16:19
Beelzebub
You know, it can still like click on that thing at the bottom that says show show, more replies, show hidden replies. But you know, there's bots. and I mean, Twitter is just a shit show.
00:16:33
Cokeley Brothers
It's a cesspool.
00:16:34
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:16:35
Cokeley Brothers
But I love swimming in it.
00:16:38
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:16:39
Cokeley Brothers
Can't even lie to you.
00:16:43
Beelzebub
I feel like Elon Musk, he's got some dark designs for Twitter.
00:16:48
Cokeley Brothers
What are you talking about? Now, this is what this.
00:16:51
Beelzebub
He's got some dark designs, bro.
00:16:52
Cokeley Brothers
See, this is the this is the kind of episode I like to have right here, Reese.
00:16:56
Beelzebub
Yeah, this is it right here.
00:16:57
Cokeley Brothers
Right here.
00:16:58
Cokeley Brothers
A Sammy free episode where we can just talk about whatever we want. And Sammy can't do anything.
00:16:58
Beelzebub
This is what...
00:17:03
Beelzebub
Yeah, he doesn't have to be like, alright, alright, let's talk about
00:17:10
Cokeley Brothers
right. Stick to the schedule. Let's stick.
00:17:14
Beelzebub
yeah
00:17:16
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, boy. but yeah, dark designs for Twitter, Elon Musk. tell me what you Tell me what you know, Reese. Tell me what you think.
00:17:24
Beelzebub
Oh, you know, I did just listen to like a five-part um podcast um from this man.
00:17:36
Beelzebub
yeah His podcast is called, name Isaac Weihaupt, and his podcast is called ah Give me one second. It's a
00:17:49
Beelzebub
Occult Symbolism and Pop Culture. And it's basically just, I've been listening to him for like 10 years, and you know he just talks about popular culture and occult symbolism in it.
00:18:02
Beelzebub
10
00:18:03
Cokeley Brothers
You've been listening to this guy for 10 years.
00:18:06
Beelzebub
years, dude. how I mean, yeah.
00:18:07
Cokeley Brothers
No way. You started listening to podcasts 10 years ago.
00:18:12
Beelzebub
and Well, the first thing I did with him was he had a YouTube channel, but his YouTube channel got shut down. And he's been shut down on, like, everything, pretty much.
00:18:24
Beelzebub
Like, you
00:18:24
Cokeley Brothers
I like that. That means he's probably right.
00:18:27
Beelzebub
know, I mean, like, his books. He's got tons of books. And, like, you know, he's been whatever, uh, shadow banned and all that kind of stuff and places won't sell his books and he's started multiple YouTube accounts and you know and most them end up getting shut down yeah um but you know he's an interesting guy it's an interesting podcast he's not like over the top like Alex Jones but you know he's more my speed
00:19:01
Cokeley Brothers
i love I love Alex Jones over the top.
00:19:06
Beelzebub
Yeah, he's more, he's just more like chill, like, you know, he's like how I would, how I would do a podcast.
00:19:09
Cokeley Brothers
Return of the Frog's gay.
00:19:13
Beelzebub
I mean, he, he's, he does, I mean, you know, he, he likes Alex Jones. i don't know if he likes Alex Jones, but, you know, he's big David Icke guy. I can say that much.
00:19:24
Beelzebub
Big David Icke guy. You know, David Icke.
00:19:28
Cokeley Brothers
i don't.
00:19:30
Beelzebub
Oh, he's the original lizard people guy. Yeah.
00:19:33
Cokeley Brothers
Oh.
00:19:36
Cokeley Brothers
So he discovered them is what you're saying?
00:19:36
Beelzebub
I think. Well, I think he popularized the idea that there are lizard people.
00:19:41
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, okay.
00:19:43
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:19:43
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:19:45
Beelzebub
don't think he originally came up with it, but yeah. But yeah, but anyway.
00:19:49
Cokeley Brothers
I saw this interesting tweet about wizard lizard people the other day. I wonder if I liked it. I saved it. Anyway, sorry.
00:19:58
Beelzebub
Well.
00:19:59
Cokeley Brothers
I just saw an interesting tweet about lizard people the other day and remember what it was, but
00:20:05
Beelzebub
So this five-part series that he did um was pretty much – it was mostly about Elon Musk and how he believes that he has been taken over, possessed by AI demon through a Neuralink. He put a Neuralink chip in his brain.
00:20:25
Beelzebub
And yeah, I think I told you – didn't i tell you this?
00:20:28
Cokeley Brothers
think you have. It sounds somewhat familiar right now.
00:20:30
Beelzebub
Yeah.
Elon Musk and AI Concerns
00:20:32
Beelzebub
Yeah. He put a neural... At some point recently in the last few years, he put a neural link chip in it his brain. This is all speculation. And, you know, demons, they can, like, kind of and inhabit, like, AI is the idea.
00:20:46
Cokeley Brothers
That kind of technology?
00:20:48
Beelzebub
Like, AI is like a a shell, you know, with no consciousness until some kind of entity, like, enters it and can, like, take it over.
00:20:55
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm.
00:21:01
Beelzebub
And so he thinks... Elon has been taken over by an AI demon and now he's being controlled. You know, he's being controlled to do these things. And he used to be pretty cautionary, like be like cautious about AI.
00:21:15
Beelzebub
And now he's, you know, he's full, full steam ahead pretty much.
00:21:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, the Grok, the Grok AI stuff, yeah.
00:21:22
Beelzebub
well Yeah. And he, and like, yeah, he wants to, he calls himself like a techno King. Like that's his title now on like a, I don't know, like SpaceX or Tesla whatever.
00:21:35
Cokeley Brothers
It does seem like, it does seem like he wants to move from carbon-based life forms to silicon-based?
00:21:35
Beelzebub
And he's just...
00:21:43
Beelzebub
Oh, dude. Whatever. yeah I mean, yeah, he's all in.
00:21:46
Cokeley Brothers
Or something? Yeah, yeah.
00:21:49
Beelzebub
He wants to create an AI god, basically. This is what this dude said. He's like, he wants him Larry Ellison, the Google, or Larry Page, he's the Google guy. They all want to like make um ai an AI god.
00:22:11
Cokeley Brothers
No, thank you.
00:22:13
Beelzebub
Pass, dude. Pass. Yeah, and they want to get everybody everybody to you know, basically, they want to force everybody into...
00:22:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, big, big pass.
00:22:23
Beelzebub
having to like download their consciousness and you know, whatever.
00:22:32
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:22:33
Beelzebub
Yeah. Or turn them into robots or whatever.
00:22:33
Cokeley Brothers
No, thank you.
00:22:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I'm good on that.
00:22:37
Beelzebub
Scary stuff.
00:22:37
Cokeley Brothers
I'm good on all of that.
00:22:39
Beelzebub
I don't, I mean, you know, you know what what I think is society before we hit singularity society is go it's just going to collapse. We're going to collapse before we hit the singularity.
00:22:49
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, well, yeah. I mean, isn't that kind of like what everyone thinks?
00:22:54
Beelzebub
it's in, like what, that we're going collapse?
00:22:56
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, like it's one of the, like... The singularity is supposed to be a good thing, right? You know, it's supposed to be like, I don't know.
00:23:03
Beelzebub
Is it?
00:23:05
Cokeley Brothers
It's supposed to be, isn't it?
00:23:07
Beelzebub
Why?
00:23:08
Cokeley Brothers
Why is it not?
00:23:09
Beelzebub
Exactly what we've been talking about. It's when human and AI like merge. That's the singularity.
00:23:17
Cokeley Brothers
I know what the singularity is, but like, is that
00:23:19
Beelzebub
How is that a good thing? It's like, it's like the end of,
00:23:21
Cokeley Brothers
i it's better than being taken over, right?
00:23:24
Beelzebub
Neon.
00:23:25
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:23:27
Beelzebub
That sounds like the same thing to me.
00:23:30
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm. Maybe. What if we're the ones assimilating it? It's not assimilating us.
00:23:37
Beelzebub
I don't want it. I don't want it in me either. I don't want it to be a part of it. don't want it to be a part of me. i don't want to be a super and I don't want to use AI to like, I mean, i I think AI is a cool tool to use and I think it can help us for sure.
00:23:52
Beelzebub
but I don't want it integrated into my body. I don't want it to, I don't want anything invasive done to me. You know, and I don't want to be able to be like in a position where I can be hacked.
00:24:04
Cokeley Brothers
Scarlett Johansson.
00:24:06
Cokeley Brothers
Scarlett Johansson from that one movie that she was in.
00:24:06
Beelzebub
What?
00:24:09
Beelzebub
Her?
00:24:10
Cokeley Brothers
that's Is that what it was called? can't remember.
00:24:13
Beelzebub
Yeah. I've never seen it.
00:24:15
Cokeley Brothers
don't know either, actually.
00:24:18
Beelzebub
She just, you know,
00:24:18
Cokeley Brothers
Actually, it would be it would be closer to more like a Bradley Cooper, his movie, where he takes that pill and he gets super smart.
00:24:26
Beelzebub
Oh, Limitless, yeah. I mean, that's what's going to happen, I feel like. People are just going to be like making themselves Bradley Coopers and Limitless.
00:24:37
Beelzebub
And people like us, we might be left behind. That's why we've got to figure something out. We've got to figure something out. How to keep up or or maybe, don't know, force society to collapse.
00:24:52
Beelzebub
Then nobody gets to be AI superhumans. Or, option three, all of those nerds, elant the Elon Musks, the Mark Zuckerbergs, just get the hell out of here and start a new civilization on Mars.
00:25:12
Beelzebub
you know
00:25:14
Beelzebub
Do your whole thing somewhere else. Leave us alone.
00:25:21
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe.
00:25:23
Beelzebub
I just don't, yeah, I just, I feel like, what's,
00:25:25
Cokeley Brothers
Or are they necessary evils?
00:25:28
Beelzebub
what do you mean? Oh, to like, to make us, to force us into, like, having to rise above them, to make us grow, help us grow, to evolve.
00:25:30
Cokeley Brothers
don't know.
00:25:40
Cokeley Brothers
Sure.
00:25:42
Cokeley Brothers
To evolve.
00:25:44
Beelzebub
evolve.
00:25:45
Cokeley Brothers
Or what if, what if, hear me out.
00:25:51
Cokeley Brothers
That's part of our evolution. We're supposed to assimilate with AI. That's part of our evolution, Rhys.
00:25:55
Beelzebub
Dude, you sound like Joe Rogan now and Elon Musk and they're wrong. That's the wrong way.
00:26:02
Cokeley Brothers
I'm just asking questions.
00:26:03
Beelzebub
That's the wrong path.
00:26:04
Cokeley Brothers
I'm just asking questions.
00:26:07
Beelzebub
That's the wrong path. we can do We can do all that stuff without without know machines.
00:26:17
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:26:19
Beelzebub
They weren't using machines. in you know Atlantis I don't think they were
00:26:26
Cokeley Brothers
No, they were using aliens, They were ah so they were ah being assimilated by aliens.
00:26:30
Beelzebub
aliens whatever you know they were they were necessarily using machines like the kind that we make they were using like next level what the Atlanteans
00:26:43
Cokeley Brothers
And then so once they were all assimilated by the aliens, we had to flood them. We had to send them into the ground, down deep. That's what happened.
00:26:57
Beelzebub
where was where did you say Where did you come up with that?
00:26:59
Cokeley Brothers
Just now.
00:27:01
Beelzebub
Oh.
00:27:02
Cokeley Brothers
It's pretty good.
00:27:03
Beelzebub
This episode is not... Are we really going publish this episode?
00:27:08
Cokeley Brothers
Why not?
00:27:10
Cokeley Brothers
I think it's funny.
00:27:10
Beelzebub
I feel like i I'm revealing too much.
00:27:14
Cokeley Brothers
About yourself?
00:27:16
Beelzebub
Yes.
00:27:18
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think that's a bad thing for our listeners, Reese.
00:27:23
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know how many.
00:27:23
Beelzebub
They're going to be so confused.
00:27:25
Cokeley Brothers
Our 20 listeners. yeah but we got we got guys that we know will listen, that will like that kind of stuff. Aiden Johnson, he likes that kind of stuff. Be all over it.
00:27:33
Beelzebub
yeah I mean I feel like most people I I guess when you ask them they're like yeah for sure
00:27:41
Cokeley Brothers
Who knows, maybe this will be the episode that brings us a ah broader crowd, Reese.
00:27:47
Beelzebub
that's the goal that's the goal right yeah yeah and sometimes
00:27:48
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm. Maybe we could get Sammy to talk about other stuff for once. So don't get me wrong. I love wrestling. I love talking about wrestling. But sometimes I do it too much, Reese.
00:28:01
Cokeley Brothers
Sometimes I just want to talk about something else.
00:28:03
Beelzebub
Right. Like art, like movies or music.
00:28:09
Cokeley Brothers
yeah Yes. Yes. Performing arts.
00:28:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:28:12
Beelzebub
TVs, TV shows.
LeBron James Retirement
00:28:18
Cokeley Brothers
or Or other sports. We can talk about other sports.
00:28:20
Beelzebub
boy Sports, other sports.
00:28:23
Cokeley Brothers
We could talk about this. How about LeBron James finally retiring?
00:28:27
Beelzebub
You retired. I didn't even know that.
00:28:29
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah. There you go. Breaking news, Reese. LeBron James retired ah yesterday, I think.
00:28:32
Beelzebub
Today.
00:28:35
Beelzebub
Damn, that's cool.
00:28:36
Cokeley Brothers
right after right after he got eliminated from the playoffs by the Timberwolves.
00:28:40
Beelzebub
Hmm.
00:28:42
Cokeley Brothers
Anthony Edwards.
00:28:44
Beelzebub
He retired him.
00:28:46
Cokeley Brothers
He did it.
00:28:48
Beelzebub
Anthony Edwards retired LeBron James.
00:28:52
Cokeley Brothers
buried and
00:28:53
Beelzebub
He buried him.
00:28:53
Cokeley Brothers
very very
00:28:57
Beelzebub
Well, uh...
00:28:57
Cokeley Brothers
Can't bury me, but I'm still awake.
00:29:03
Beelzebub
um
00:29:04
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:29:05
Cokeley Brothers
It's a great movie. I've been quoting that movie a lot lately. I gotta go back and watch it.
00:29:05
Beelzebub
yeah
00:29:09
Beelzebub
Quiet, you're waking the neighbors.
00:29:15
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, man.
00:29:16
Beelzebub
Well, now that he's retired, like ah feel better about you know acknowledging that you know the stats probably back him as the best of all time, right?
00:29:31
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. have to look.
00:29:37
Cokeley Brothers
I have to look.
00:29:39
Beelzebub
Yeah, I mean, but as far as vibes go, it's it's MJ.
00:29:44
Cokeley Brothers
It's MJ, then Kobe, and then LeBron.
00:29:46
Beelzebub
Whoa. I didn't know that.
00:29:49
Cokeley Brothers
Kobe's vibes? no Kobe, dude. Kobe's the Mamba mentality. That was just different.
00:29:56
Beelzebub
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know anything about i really don't know anything about professional basketball. I definitely don't know anything about Kobe Bryant.
00:30:01
Cokeley Brothers
i I don't know enough. Here's what I here's what i do know. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, from what I have seen, dudes are so tough motherfuckers right there.
00:30:13
Cokeley Brothers
Pardon my French.
00:30:14
Beelzebub
Yeah, then we got LeBron.
00:30:15
Cokeley Brothers
They were tough. I think about the flu game. Yeah, and then you got then you got Flop Braun, baby.
00:30:21
Beelzebub
Yeah, LeFlob.
00:30:21
Cokeley Brothers
LeBron, LeFlop. LeFlop James.
00:30:25
Cokeley Brothers
Whatever you want to call him.
00:30:25
Beelzebub
Did you see that video of him?
00:30:26
Beelzebub
Like where he's like, and he's like peaking.
00:30:28
Cokeley Brothers
where Takes a peek.
00:30:31
Beelzebub
Come on, man. Like where is your, I mean, where's your pride, dude? Where's your shame?
00:30:38
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, he sold his pride to China.
00:30:43
Beelzebub
likes Just like John Cena
00:30:46
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, John. Poor John.
00:30:49
Beelzebub
China that's another thing we can talk but we talk about geopolitics dude I need to Read more about them.
00:30:54
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, love me some geopolitics.
00:30:58
Cokeley Brothers
don't either.
00:30:59
Beelzebub
don't really know what's going on necessarily, but you know interesting
00:31:06
Cokeley Brothers
ah No, we're tariffing the crap out of people.
00:31:10
Beelzebub
We're just hitting them hard with the tariffs
00:31:13
Cokeley Brothers
Tariff. Tariff.
00:31:15
Beelzebub
With the right and then the left.
00:31:15
Cokeley Brothers
I heard...
00:31:18
Cokeley Brothers
I heard my son saying something on the phone to somebody. don't know who was talking to. him Stepmer's mom and stepdad. Maybe. I don't know. He was basically there he was like, Trump's tariffs ruining this country.
00:31:31
Cokeley Brothers
I was like, oh, geez.
00:31:32
Beelzebub
going to hell.
00:31:33
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, geez. You're 13 years old. Shut up.
00:31:38
Cokeley Brothers
I was like, what are you regurgitating right now? You 13-year-old.
00:31:38
Beelzebub
he's going to help
00:31:43
Beelzebub
yeah where yeah I wonder where he gets and any of that kind information from.
00:31:48
Cokeley Brothers
I so badly we just wanted to be like, Cooper, what's a tariff?
00:31:54
Cokeley Brothers
I didn't, though. I didn't. I didn't want him to know I was listening, but I was. I'll tell you what's ruining this country right now.
Family Politics and Tariff Talk
00:32:06
Cokeley Brothers
Trump's tariffs. was like, oh, my God.
00:32:09
Beelzebub
would he be talking to?
00:32:11
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. and so I thought he was talking to his step-parents or his step-dad and his mom until he said that. I was like, Why would he be talking about that stuff with his... I don't know.
00:32:22
Beelzebub
hmm maybe they do maybe they talk about that stuff
00:32:25
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe.
00:32:29
Cokeley Brothers
All I know is my son does not know what he's talking about.
00:32:34
Beelzebub
probably not who does it's complicated the the bankers and the lawyers
00:32:35
Cokeley Brothers
But who does?
00:32:40
Cokeley Brothers
is complicated. And I think they did that on purpose.
00:32:45
Cokeley Brothers
Made it complicated on purpose.
00:32:52
Beelzebub
The tax men.
00:32:54
Cokeley Brothers
Whoever, whoever decided politics and needed to be a thing.
00:33:02
Beelzebub
In the economy.
00:33:02
Cokeley Brothers
Whoever.
00:33:04
Beelzebub
yeah
00:33:04
Cokeley Brothers
The economy.
00:33:08
Beelzebub
The tax code. Nobody knows. Nobody can read that thing. It's so dang long.
00:33:17
Cokeley Brothers
It is long.
00:33:20
Cokeley Brothers
Just a bunch of jargon.
00:33:25
Cokeley Brothers
What else, Reese? What's new in the zoo?
00:33:29
Beelzebub
What's new in the zoo? should we go Should we circle back to wrestling or or not?
00:33:37
Cokeley Brothers
Has anything really happened since Monday?
00:33:39
Beelzebub
That's what I was wondering. I was like,
Wrestling Rule Debates
00:33:42
Cokeley Brothers
So the rule changes. The rule thing was the biggest thing I saw. But yeah, I mean, how Rafael Hippolito entered the portal. A few other portal additions.
00:33:42
Beelzebub
not really.
00:33:53
Beelzebub
I want to know who's entering what new challengers are entering the World Team Trials. That's what I want to know.
00:34:02
Beelzebub
Who we getting? What's new?
00:34:03
Cokeley Brothers
See, and how
00:34:04
Beelzebub
Carter Sirachi? That feels like a for sure.
00:34:07
Cokeley Brothers
I would like to talk about this. and and I mean, we'll talk about it again when Sammy gets here, but
00:34:14
Cokeley Brothers
how do you feel? like do I feel like there should be ah World Team Trials for 57 61. I feel like
00:34:26
Beelzebub
Oh yeah, I saw yeah I did see you talking about that.
00:34:26
Cokeley Brothers
lili do
00:34:28
Beelzebub
thought
00:34:29
Cokeley Brothers
So how do you, do you think, you think I'm just, I don't know.
00:34:33
Beelzebub
they used to do it like that.
00:34:34
Cokeley Brothers
Dude. Okay. I thought they did too, but I was like, maybe they didn't.
00:34:40
Cokeley Brothers
But yeah.
00:34:40
Cokeley Brothers
So anyways, what we're saying is, uh,
00:34:40
Beelzebub
I feel like they did.
00:34:41
Beelzebub
i like I feel like in the original Inception of Final X, they just added Final X and they you know they still had like I feel like they still had best of threes at the trials.
00:34:56
Cokeley Brothers
right, right, right.
00:34:57
Beelzebub
Yeah. Something like that.
00:35:01
Cokeley Brothers
They definitely did. like if if you won if If you won the Open, at then you got to go then you got to go to best two or three at Final X unless there was a returning medalist.
00:35:03
Beelzebub
They at least have every bracket, every weight.
00:35:08
Beelzebub
You get to sit at the trials.
00:35:17
Cokeley Brothers
Then they got to sit at Final X. And if you won the Open, then you got to sit at World Team Trials.
00:35:21
Beelzebub
yeah Yeah, for sure, I feel like that was a thing.
00:35:23
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:35:25
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, this should just go back to that.
00:35:28
Beelzebub
Just go back to that. yeah i I mean, I'm sad that we don't get to see a lot of those guys. I mean, all those guys, really, at 61. I'm sad.
00:35:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:35:38
Beelzebub
That sucks. I mean, they can all you know a lot of them can pump up, I suppose, at 61 at least, but.
00:35:44
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, so a lot of the guys at 61 can pump up to 65, but none of those, like, and, like, here's the thing, like, not that it was, like, a super quick turnaround, but, like, maybe a guy like Vince Robinson would have, like, you know, would like a little more time to train and get ready for freestyle. So, you know, um I don't need to go to the Open because I'm already qualified for trials. Well, actually, ah there is no World Team Trials for your weight, Vince. So if you want to go, you've got to go 65 kilograms.
00:36:12
Cokeley Brothers
That's silly. That's silly.
00:36:12
Beelzebub
Yeah, that is kind of, it is kind of dumb.
00:36:15
Beelzebub
I mean, I don't disagree at all.
00:36:19
Cokeley Brothers
so So I feel like we should be making more opportunities for our for our guys, right? Showcase themselves, but
00:36:27
Beelzebub
Yeah, I mean, they don't like their wrestle that much, you know.
00:36:30
Cokeley Brothers
no. No.
00:36:34
Cokeley Brothers
Like car Carter Staragy, for example. like
00:36:39
Cokeley Brothers
he you know He didn't have to go to the Open. He got to sit, and he's like, I'm qualified for trials already. I'll just go to trials.
00:36:47
Beelzebub
Yeah. And what if we had, you know, seven or eight guys who were sitting at Final X? We'd have two or three actual brackets at the trials.
00:37:00
Beelzebub
That would be weird. That would suck.
00:37:01
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that would suck.
00:37:04
Beelzebub
Yeah, I'm all in and now.
00:37:07
Cokeley Brothers
That would suck. So, yeah. Make it ah just and one extra step.
00:37:12
Beelzebub
Fix it.
00:37:13
Cokeley Brothers
Because Sammy was like, oh, well, there that would...
00:37:13
Beelzebub
Now.
00:37:16
Cokeley Brothers
He's like...
00:37:19
Cokeley Brothers
feels like that would take away from the open. He thinks USA wrestling is trying to make the open, like this big event.
00:37:25
Beelzebub
I mean, yeah
00:37:26
Cokeley Brothers
I'm like, I don't think that would really take anything away from either event. If you did that.
00:37:33
Beelzebub
I've heard that from other people. Other people have said that.
00:37:35
Cokeley Brothers
No, I have, I too. I think, and I think that's a great idea, but I just don't, the notion that, uh,
00:37:43
Cokeley Brothers
If you added the World Team Trials, it would take away from the Open. I just i like i don't think so. But...
00:37:52
Cokeley Brothers
Because...
00:37:52
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:37:52
Cokeley Brothers
i mean, just because just because... Just because you... You know, like...
00:37:52
Beelzebub
I mean, i think if you go back...
00:38:00
Cokeley Brothers
Just because you can't sit at Final X if you win the Open doesn't mean, you know, the guys aren't going to try and sit in World Team Trials. You know what i'm saying?
00:38:11
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:38:12
Cokeley Brothers
So...
00:38:12
Beelzebub
We've had some weak US Opens, though, I feel like, in the recent past. For that reason, I feel like.
00:38:20
Cokeley Brothers
You think so?
00:38:22
Beelzebub
I think so. I feel like I remember that.
00:38:26
Beelzebub
But, you know, still, I don't know.
00:38:30
Beelzebub
and I know.
00:38:31
Cokeley Brothers
Also, just give prize just give prize money out.
00:38:32
Beelzebub
I think... Or just, you know, how about you just wrestle, competitors? Wrestle you know for the if you're gonna If you want to compete, then there's your opportunity to compete.
00:38:45
Cokeley Brothers
I know.
00:38:45
Cokeley Brothers
I'm saying incentivize incentivize them
00:38:45
Beelzebub
and
00:38:48
Beelzebub
Yeah, I mean that's cool too. It's a bit of a reason.
00:38:53
Cokeley Brothers
Cash.
00:38:54
Cokeley Brothers
Cash money. Yeah.
00:38:54
Beelzebub
I get it, it's expensive to wrestle after college.
00:39:00
Cokeley Brothers
But it's like it, you know, why do you think all these golfers go to all these different tournaments? It's like, well, because there's an incentive to.
00:39:07
Beelzebub
yeah Yeah, the U.S.
00:39:08
Cokeley Brothers
You know, you don't just see the
00:39:09
Beelzebub
Open and like tennis, is that there's money in that, right? Yeah,
00:39:12
Cokeley Brothers
Well, all yeah, all of them. that Wimbledon, French Open, Australia, all of them have like cash prizes. Otherwise, yeah, if if it wasn't, then, you know, you'd see like like back to golf. only You'd only see the best guys showing up for the Masters or something. you know i'm saying Like that would be lame.
00:39:32
Cokeley Brothers
That would be lame.
00:39:34
Cokeley Brothers
So start paying these dudes.
00:39:34
Beelzebub
yeah it would be.
00:39:38
Cokeley Brothers
Cash money. Pay me. Top eight, pay him. Pay him out.
00:39:38
Beelzebub
Pay me.
00:39:43
Beelzebub
There are rich donors out there. Rich wrestling donors. there They exist. USA Wrestling. You need to find those men.
00:39:54
Beelzebub
And take their money.
00:39:54
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, find him.
00:39:58
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm.
00:39:58
Beelzebub
Use their money.
00:39:59
Cokeley Brothers
we have We've gotten Elon Musk.
00:40:00
Beelzebub
For good.
00:40:01
Cokeley Brothers
We have now have the have had the richest man in the world come to the biggest wrestling event in the world. Maybe that's a start.
00:40:07
Beelzebub
Yes. go to Elon, even though i you know, I just kind of ragged on him for like four minutes.
00:40:09
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm.
00:40:16
Cokeley Brothers
It's okay.
00:40:16
Beelzebub
And I feel like his money, his money would come with a lot of stipulations and know, don't know.
00:40:17
Cokeley Brothers
It's all right.
00:40:25
Beelzebub
You know what saying?
00:40:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I do.
00:40:29
Cokeley Brothers
A lot of strings attached.
00:40:30
Cokeley Brothers
That's what you're saying.
00:40:31
Beelzebub
Strings attached big time.
00:40:35
Cokeley Brothers
Well, don't want that. But yeah, but I do want to my competitors to be paid. Get that money.
00:40:44
Beelzebub
get that money it's time
00:40:46
Cokeley Brothers
So
00:40:49
Cokeley Brothers
what else?
College Wrestling Transfers
00:40:52
Cokeley Brothers
Anything else? Today was the last day to hop in the portal. So if you didn't get in the portal, it looks like you're stuck.
00:40:59
Beelzebub
but so they can still transfer right without like
00:41:02
Cokeley Brothers
So you can still like grad, like you're grad transfer, I don't think you technically have like, you can decide whenever.
00:41:12
Beelzebub
Okay, so like, Parco and Teamer and Buchanan, they were all graduates.
00:41:16
Cokeley Brothers
and So I don't know. So what I heard on those guys was like, they just, you know, they never contacted the coaches. They just showed up on campus.
00:41:28
Cokeley Brothers
ah That was like,
00:41:31
Cokeley Brothers
their way around. Apparently, if you just show up to the school and you have no contact with anyone from the staff or anyone from the athletic department of that school, you just show up and you're like, hey, I'm i'm here.
00:41:31
Beelzebub
That's okay.
00:41:35
Beelzebub
That makes it okay.
00:41:51
Cokeley Brothers
and like to wrestle. Then they can be like, okay.
00:41:55
Beelzebub
Interesting they probably don't even they're probably like okay, we believe you
00:41:58
Cokeley Brothers
So...
00:42:04
Cokeley Brothers
Well, mean, I don't, you know, I think there probably needs to this rule needs to be looked at, but like, you know, if a donor just reaches out and is like, I'll just take care of all the communication, just communicate through me, like, I'll be all good.
00:42:19
Cokeley Brothers
So.
00:42:22
Beelzebub
It's crazy, but you know
00:42:26
Beelzebub
get that money
00:42:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Crazy, but also get that money.
00:42:30
Beelzebub
yeah you know what these guys getting paid all this money in college i can help them continue to wrestle after college right that they would be like in position to be able to afford to compete overseas and at different events because they call that money in college
00:42:50
Cokeley Brothers
You would think so, but a lot of these, well, hopefully, you know, a lot of them are thinking that way, but also some of them are buying, you know, new cars and houses and shit, so.
00:43:02
Beelzebub
Carter Starachy, I mean, you know easy you know what he said about it. yeah he He should be able to, you know, based on his words, he should be set. You know, he should be set to be able to compete for a decade at least.
00:43:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't believe anything that comes out of that guy's mouth.
00:43:20
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:43:21
Cokeley Brothers
So, or at least I take everything.
00:43:22
Beelzebub
But you know, he's getting paid.
00:43:23
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, I know he's getting paid, but that whole, I'm the highest paid athlete in the NCAA and it's not even close.
00:43:26
Beelzebub
Buku boxed.
00:43:31
Cokeley Brothers
It's like, okay, guy.
00:43:34
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:43:35
Cokeley Brothers
But then other, and then other Penn State people are like, our guys don't even get paid that much money. It's like, which is it?
00:43:42
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:43:44
Cokeley Brothers
so
00:43:46
Beelzebub
Probably somewhere in the middle.
00:43:49
Cokeley Brothers
Always he is.
00:43:50
Beelzebub
Always
00:43:51
Cokeley Brothers
Always is.
00:43:55
Cokeley Brothers
How would that go? A potential Penn State, Oklahoma State duel. What would that look like? Would that be a, would it be a, a schlacking?
00:44:02
Beelzebub
that was yeah not even you That was not even a segue that you just...
00:44:08
Cokeley Brothers
It was talking about money and Carter Sriracha and money with wrestling, Oklahoma State, you know, it all makes sense.
00:44:16
Beelzebub
There you go.
00:44:17
Cokeley Brothers
Paycom, you know,
00:44:19
Beelzebub
They come as money.
00:44:21
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, maybe that guy will pay our athletes.
00:44:24
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:44:25
Cokeley Brothers
He is, actually, technically.
00:44:26
Beelzebub
I mean, he's doing it. He's doing the same.
00:44:28
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, nash national duels.
00:44:29
Beelzebub
Putting his money where his mouth is.
00:44:29
Cokeley Brothers
That is.
00:44:34
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah.
00:44:34
Beelzebub
Very exciting.
00:44:35
Cokeley Brothers
Penn State, Oklahoma State. How would that look, Reese, right now?
00:44:39
Beelzebub
Right now, I mean, i think if, you know, Penn State wins.
00:44:42
Cokeley Brothers
Ugly.
00:44:44
Beelzebub
Probably.
00:44:45
Cokeley Brothers
Are they just going to run away with it next year?
00:44:49
Beelzebub
Probably. But not as bad as it was this year, for sure.
00:44:54
Cokeley Brothers
Well, shoot.
00:44:55
Beelzebub
They don't have
00:44:56
Cokeley Brothers
Did you look at a um J.D. Raider's predictions?
00:45:05
Beelzebub
new
00:45:06
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, he has it.
00:45:09
Cokeley Brothers
He has it way worse.
00:45:13
Beelzebub
but worse than this year
00:45:16
Cokeley Brothers
I'm pretty sure he did. Maybe he didn't. maybe umm But it seemed like he did. Way too early. Yeah, this is it.
00:45:26
Cokeley Brothers
He's got Ohno winning it.
00:45:36
Cokeley Brothers
One champ. Two champs. Third place at 41. Second place 49.
00:45:45
Cokeley Brothers
First 57.
00:45:48
Cokeley Brothers
first at fifty sevenen
00:45:52
Cokeley Brothers
First at 65, KSAC. First at 65.
00:45:53
Beelzebub
who' Who's you got at 57?
00:45:54
Beelzebub
K-Sag?
00:45:55
Cokeley Brothers
First at 74. Third at Haynes. Levi Haynes. Third at 84 with Rocco.
00:46:01
Beelzebub
Oh my god, dude. Who's 74? Who's at 74? yeah, yeah.
00:46:03
Cokeley Brothers
97. third at
00:46:07
Cokeley Brothers
seventy four is levi haynes
00:46:07
Beelzebub
First?
00:46:07
Beelzebub
Which one is it? 97. 97. i oh yeah
00:46:09
Cokeley Brothers
leave a hint third at eightyfour rocco
Future of Wrestling Teams
00:46:18
Cokeley Brothers
ninety seven
00:46:18
Beelzebub
second prayer what ninety seven
00:46:23
Cokeley Brothers
97 first.
00:46:27
Cokeley Brothers
And then heavyweight. Heavyweight's got seventh.
00:46:27
Beelzebub
Jesus.
00:46:32
Beelzebub
It feels like there's less.
00:46:32
Cokeley Brothers
10 All-Americans, nine in the top three, and eight of them in the top in the finals.
00:46:37
Beelzebub
Nah, dude. It's not happening. Eight finalists. Why would he why would those why would that be his predictions? Why would you predict that?
00:46:44
Cokeley Brothers
Right. One, wine two three, five.
00:46:45
Beelzebub
You want that to happen?
00:46:48
Cokeley Brothers
four five Six, oh, seven. Sorry. Seven finalists. My bad.
00:46:55
Beelzebub
That's just so, that's just lame, JD. That's lame. You're lame for that. Do you, I mean, are you just, this is like, it's like when people fill out brackets and they're like, oh, they have like the the top two seeds in the finals in every bracket.
00:47:12
Cokeley Brothers
I know who did he, he must, he must have, uh, did these predictions with Justin Bosch.
00:47:13
Beelzebub
It's because they can't.
00:47:21
Cokeley Brothers
I look at some of these two and I'm just like, what is going on?
00:47:27
Beelzebub
I mean that's crazy. That's just have some Have some heart man.
00:47:28
Cokeley Brothers
Like, let me let me go to 84 here.
00:47:31
Cokeley Brothers
Let me go.
00:47:32
Beelzebub
Have some courage to pick something crazy or at least different
00:47:36
Cokeley Brothers
Let me go to 84 here. So for example, like he's got Jackson Smith taking fourth and Zach Ryder taking fifth.
00:47:48
Cokeley Brothers
But would you have Zack Ryder higher up there if he was in a Penn State singlet?
00:47:53
Beelzebub
Exactly yeah, why do you have rock a wash in third?
00:47:54
Cokeley Brothers
You know i mean?
00:47:59
Beelzebub
he took a second because he beat Lennox Wolak in the semifinals.
00:48:06
Cokeley Brothers
I guess.
00:48:11
Cokeley Brothers
I guess.
00:48:15
Cokeley Brothers
Who knows if he's even the starter next year, too, Zack Ryder.
00:48:23
Beelzebub
Yeah. Braden Thompson beat Rob, right? Jersey Rob at the Open.
00:48:29
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm.
00:48:30
Beelzebub
5 to 5 or something like that.
00:48:33
Cokeley Brothers
It was that close.
00:48:33
Beelzebub
i was i was one. I thought it was like something like that. thought was like a criteria win or something.
00:48:38
Cokeley Brothers
It might have been.
00:48:41
Cokeley Brothers
Sonny Sasso's only going to be a freshman? How does that work?
00:48:41
Beelzebub
I wondered was better.
00:48:46
Beelzebub
How does that work?
00:48:48
Cokeley Brothers
There's no way. I'll look at it up.
00:48:53
Beelzebub
Yeah, because I thought he was just trying to battle for the spot.
00:48:55
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, thought he was supposed to be a freshman this year.
00:48:59
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:49:10
Cokeley Brothers
Oh my goodness. I don't know my login. Oh, yes, I do. Haha.
00:49:15
Beelzebub
what do you think about this new bracketing
00:49:15
Cokeley Brothers
Saved.
00:49:19
Cokeley Brothers
he's going to be a sophomore. I don't know why. yes ah usa rest The USA bracketing, I like it.
00:49:25
Beelzebub
yeah the yeah I like it too honestly people complaining about how bland and bare bones it is I'm like oh that's fine i don't care unappreciable
00:49:37
Cokeley Brothers
ah Compared to track?
00:49:40
Beelzebub
unappealing visually well I think ah like Willie Willie was was saying how bland it is and he was saying you know track was the same way or track is the same way you know
00:49:56
Cokeley Brothers
you You think that he was shitting on it?
00:49:59
Beelzebub
yes
00:50:00
Cokeley Brothers
Why?
00:50:03
Cokeley Brothers
So like people with like Willie thinks that ah the arena is a better product than track and and and USA bracketing?
00:50:12
Beelzebub
I don't know I'm not sure where his stance is I just know him and hash were kind of like it looks ugly glea or whatever
00:50:23
Cokeley Brothers
I thought it looked fine.
00:50:24
Beelzebub
but it's and it's easy to it's really easy to use you know that's the most important part in my opinion yeah okay it was three to three Thompson over Rob and then Welsh beat him five to zero
00:50:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yes.
00:50:37
Cokeley Brothers
Oh.
00:50:40
Cokeley Brothers
That is little...
00:50:45
Cokeley Brothers
Rocco Welsh.
00:50:48
Beelzebub
So kind of interesting for sure
00:50:58
Beelzebub
Well Chris Moore he's gonna be good dude for Illinois Here just it's nice to see a team like Illinois kind of back on the radar After their hiatus
00:51:01
Cokeley Brothers
That kid is tough. Dude, Illinois is tough. They're just tough, man.
00:51:07
Cokeley Brothers
Tough.
00:51:13
Cokeley Brothers
Agreed.
00:51:19
Cokeley Brothers
ah Agreed.
00:51:20
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, they're going to be better. They're back and better than ever, if you ask me, you know.
00:51:20
Beelzebub
They just need to.
00:51:24
Beelzebub
Yeah. I mean, what's the highest they've ever placed?
00:51:29
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. Let's, you know who we can ask? Google's AI.
00:51:33
Beelzebub
Did they ever like, I wonder if they ever like, like in the early, i feel like in the early 2010s, they were, they were good.
00:51:45
Beelzebub
They were like top 10 at NCAAs.
00:51:51
Cokeley Brothers
10th place.
00:51:53
Cokeley Brothers
It's the highest they've ever gotten. Mm-hmm.
00:51:53
Beelzebub
that's the highest was that ah interesting they need more champs need more high-profile guys like webster hope they can maybe get there bird will be born somehow
00:51:58
Cokeley Brothers
This year and 2015-2016. that is interesting. What you mean
00:52:08
Cokeley Brothers
somehow?
00:52:24
Cokeley Brothers
you mean somehow
00:52:26
Beelzebub
I don't know. He feels old.
00:52:29
Cokeley Brothers
Well, his freshman year was 2021. That's the free year. Yeah.
00:52:34
Beelzebub
was his freshman year.
00:52:35
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:52:37
Beelzebub
I thought he graduated in 2019.
00:52:40
Cokeley Brothers
just looked at it. is
00:52:47
Beelzebub
Man, when you look up Lucas Bird on Google, first thing, what do you think it is?
00:52:53
Cokeley Brothers
Marty Bird? Oh, no. 6'3 Girlfriend?
00:52:58
Beelzebub
Girlfriend and then height. Those are the first two things.
00:53:05
Beelzebub
Lucas Bird and his girlfriend.
00:53:07
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, so you're right.
00:53:08
Beelzebub
Lucas Bird wife.
00:53:09
Cokeley Brothers
You're right. You were right, Reece. He med-redded last year.
00:53:16
Beelzebub
Retroactively probably or something.
00:53:19
Cokeley Brothers
What you mean? He never even stepped on the mat last year.
00:53:22
Beelzebub
and Okay, fair enough.
00:53:23
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:53:27
Beelzebub
show to red shirts in free year and something else because he's
00:53:29
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm.
00:53:32
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven years.
00:53:40
Cokeley Brothers
Woof.
00:53:40
Beelzebub
right yeah
00:53:43
Cokeley Brothers
Fifth, fifth, round of 12 first, and then TBD. See what happens. 33 is going to be fun next year.
Age and Maturity in Wrestling
00:53:55
Beelzebub
Indeed. I mean, Bird versus Ono, I think that's an interesting match.
00:53:59
Cokeley Brothers
I think it's a really interesting match. I'm really interested to see Ben DeVino.
00:54:07
Beelzebub
Yeah, Ben DiVino for sure, yeah. I wish guys like Jax, Forrest, and Bo Bassett would just say, all right, we're going we're going now.
00:54:18
Beelzebub
We're jumping in now.
00:54:19
Cokeley Brothers
Jumping in now. I'm about to dive in it.
00:54:24
Beelzebub
But then what would ah what would, you know, I guess, what would the yeah being held back, what would that all have been for? even though, why did you do that in the first place?
00:54:36
Cokeley Brothers
Who knows, right?
00:54:39
Beelzebub
Yeah. I'm just a hater because I'm a hater.
00:54:40
Cokeley Brothers
Who
00:54:43
Beelzebub
As someone one who I feel like was very immature for their age.
00:54:50
Beelzebub
I hate that. I hate that people do that. Makes me wish i I'd done it.
00:54:55
Cokeley Brothers
i When I was like younger, i kind of i was like, why did why did dad do that? Why did dad wait a year to start me? But um as I got older, I was like, I'm glad he did it.
00:55:08
Beelzebub
Yeah. You were like on the on the edge there where it's like...
00:55:12
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:55:15
Cokeley Brothers
Summer birthdays for boys, yep.
00:55:17
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:55:18
Cokeley Brothers
One of those things, so.
00:55:19
Beelzebub
I mean... Yeah, I would have hated doing... I mean, yeah. If you were going to hold me back, it would have had been before got to kindergarten.
00:55:29
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, like Zach did.
00:55:29
Beelzebub
I feel like the trauma of being held back... The trauma of repeat having to repeat a grade would have been a lot for me.
00:55:37
Cokeley Brothers
Catastrophic.
00:55:39
Beelzebub
Yeah, it would have really messed with me big time.
00:55:46
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I agree.
00:55:48
Beelzebub
I would have felt out of place.
College Advice and Personal Reflection
00:55:51
Beelzebub
I remember the the trauma of in college when i i just had terrible grades for a year.
00:55:51
Cokeley Brothers
my
00:56:02
Beelzebub
And I was like, the feeling of falling behind was just very unpleasant.
00:56:08
Cokeley Brothers
What he's saying, kids, is go to class.
00:56:10
Beelzebub
Go to class, please.
00:56:14
Cokeley Brothers
so
00:56:14
Cokeley Brothers
Don't do this to yourself. Go to class.
00:56:14
Beelzebub
For that and many other reasons.
00:56:20
Cokeley Brothers
Well, Reese, on that note.
00:56:22
Beelzebub
Well, I guess we're going to end on that note, yeah.
00:56:25
Cokeley Brothers
Just kidding. I just wanted to mess with you. Unless there is something you'd rather be doing right now.
00:56:33
Beelzebub
I do need to eat dinner naturally promise a ramen or something quick and easy drop a couple eggs in there
00:56:35
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm. ten fifteen
00:56:40
Cokeley Brothers
Oh.
00:56:42
Cokeley Brothers
Ramen.
00:56:46
Cokeley Brothers
Coop, he's been talking. He's like, you're like ah next time I make ramen, I'm going to put this in there or that. He's going to make this crazy ramen bowl next time he makes ramen.
00:56:55
Beelzebub
nice what's he been doing
00:56:59
Cokeley Brothers
It's going to stink my sting my house up. I don't know. What do you mean? He just like talks about different things he wants to try in his ramen.
00:57:06
Beelzebub
Oh, has he done it though?
00:57:09
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:57:12
Beelzebub
Does he make ramen?
00:57:12
Cokeley Brothers
he also He also wants to make it fresh.
00:57:16
Beelzebub
He wants to make the noodles fresh?
00:57:16
Cokeley Brothers
He's tired. Yeah, he's tired of me buying the packaged noodles.
00:57:21
Beelzebub
So he eats ramen?
00:57:23
Cokeley Brothers
My son?
00:57:25
Beelzebub
Yeah.
00:57:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. i
00:57:28
Beelzebub
He doesn't like the maruchan?
00:57:29
Cokeley Brothers
I'd say... I'd say... No, he does like it. He just wants to...
00:57:33
Cokeley Brothers
He just thinks it would be cool to make fresh noodles himself.
00:57:33
Beelzebub
But he wants fresh noodles.
00:57:37
Beelzebub
That's cool.
00:57:38
Cokeley Brothers
I that, yeah.
00:57:38
Beelzebub
Sounds hard, but it'd be cool.
00:57:41
Cokeley Brothers
So... I think you saw someone do it on youtube once
00:57:47
Beelzebub
Yeah. wonder how... I can't remember. I've watched videos. Feels like it'd be hard to make them into noodles.
00:57:53
Cokeley Brothers
YouTube once. You two can do it together.
00:57:59
Cokeley Brothers
That would be a little uncle-nephew activity for you guys.
00:58:00
Beelzebub
Someday.
00:58:05
Beelzebub
Yep. I can learn and he can learn in and then I'll never do it again probably.
00:58:09
Cokeley Brothers
You can learn together.
00:58:14
Cokeley Brothers
until you realize it's not as hard as you thought, and then you'll be like, I'm going to this all the time.
00:58:18
Beelzebub
Yeah, maybe I'll just love it. I'll turn out to it'll be something that I become passionate about. like, wow, I love baking.
00:58:29
Beelzebub
I doubt it, but maybe. It means baking, essentially baking.
00:58:30
Cokeley Brothers
Well, that wouldn't be baking, but
00:58:34
Cokeley Brothers
no, it's cooking. Baking is like when you make treats.
00:58:38
Beelzebub
It's bread related.
00:58:43
Cokeley Brothers
o
00:58:45
Beelzebub
Bread adjacent.
00:58:45
Cokeley Brothers
me
00:58:47
Beelzebub
It's all the same.
00:58:50
Cokeley Brothers
I'm not going to say anything.
00:58:51
Beelzebub
Just let me have it here, come on.
00:58:52
Cokeley Brothers
Okay,
00:58:52
Beelzebub
Let me have this one.
00:58:56
Cokeley Brothers
you can have it. All right, guys.
00:58:59
Beelzebub
Sitting on this couch, terrible for my back.
00:59:00
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, well, that's why you should get should be up in your spot, your normal spot.
00:59:10
Beelzebub
you mean? I'm in my office, dude.
00:59:14
Cokeley Brothers
Your gaslighting won't work on me, Reese. All right, guys. That's it for this Samulus episode. This Samulus barn session.
00:59:24
Beelzebub
Yeah. Let us know how much better it was. You know, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much better it was. 1 being still better, but 10 being really like, wow.
00:59:36
Beelzebub
Why do we even have Samy?
00:59:38
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:59:40
Cokeley Brothers
I think it was a 10. What about you?
00:59:43
Beelzebub
I think it was a 10. yeah, Sammy, he's done. He's finished. One more podcast.
00:59:48
Cokeley Brothers
He's out. All right, guys. You have a good weekend. We love you. Good night.