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Nickal Takes First Loss - Session 78
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Bo Nickal takes his first loss in professional MMA, and the wrestling world is split on how to feel about it. We talk about the deepest weight class coming up and how that stacks to previously stacked weight classes. Plus how the World Team process to can be altered for the better.
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Introduction and Banter
00:00:00
Problem Solver
Yeah, you will.
00:00:02
Cokeley Brothers
Now I'm back so that you guys don't talk about me for the first eight minutes of the podcast.
00:00:03
Reese
I bet you will.
00:00:08
Reese
We talked about Sammy?
00:00:10
Cokeley Brothers
You did. You did a lot of it.
00:00:11
Problem Solver
We love you.
00:00:13
Cokeley Brothers
You know who told me about it?
00:00:14
Reese
All good things, I'm sure.
00:00:16
Cokeley Brothers
Katie told me about it.
00:00:18
Reese
What we say?
00:00:18
Problem Solver
Why did you let her... See, this is a problem. Why did you let her listen before you listened?
00:00:25
Problem Solver
We should be allowed to talk about things without...
00:00:26
Cokeley Brothers
It's... It's a problem that she listened in the first place at all.
00:00:33
Problem Solver
Why?
00:00:34
Reese
Yeah, why? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:00:38
Cokeley Brothers
She's not dumb.
00:00:40
Reese
So she caught on is what you're saying?
00:00:41
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, well.
00:00:44
Problem Solver
She was aware of the implications.
00:00:47
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah, she was.
00:00:49
Reese
She smiled.
00:00:49
Problem Solver
So we fucked up is what you're saying. Now,
00:00:52
Cokeley Brothers
Dude. Yeah. It's so fine. You guys have no idea. and it's It's okay.
00:00:56
Problem Solver
obviously we have no idea.
00:00:57
Cokeley Brothers
Um, Yeah, it's fine.
Bo Nickal's Fight and Future
00:01:00
Cokeley Brothers
ah Welcome back to the barn session, everybody. We've got a couple of things we want to talk about today. First and and most annoyingly is Bo Nickel.
00:01:14
Reese
Yeah, but nickel.
00:01:14
Cokeley Brothers
Bo Nickel lost. Bo Nickel is, as the people say, the hype train has been derailed.
00:01:17
Reese
What do we.
00:01:24
Reese
It's fully derailed is what you're saying. That's the right.
00:01:27
Cokeley Brothers
I'm saying Bo Nickel will never be a UFC champion.
00:01:28
Reese
trail
00:01:31
Reese
Never ever.
00:01:32
Cokeley Brothers
And you know what that makes me?
00:01:33
Reese
That's what you're saying.
00:01:33
Cokeley Brothers
Ryan, what does that make me?
00:01:35
Problem Solver
A hater.
00:01:35
Cokeley Brothers
that makes me it That makes me a terrorist.
00:01:37
Problem Solver
aunty
00:01:37
Cokeley Brothers
I'm not American.
00:01:38
Problem Solver
anti-americanic Anti-American.
00:01:41
Reese
Yeah, you hate America.
00:01:42
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:01:43
Reese
You love the terrorists.
00:01:43
Cokeley Brothers
So let's...
00:01:46
Problem Solver
You're all about the Netherlands.
00:01:49
Cokeley Brothers
Bo Nickel fought last weekend and he ah yeah he lost to a guy who is from the Netherlands?
00:01:55
Problem Solver
Yeah, he's 20-2 now.
00:01:57
Cokeley Brothers
He's 20-2. Obviously...
00:01:58
Problem Solver
Renner DeRitter, RDR. He's tough, dude. He was good.
00:02:02
Cokeley Brothers
Obviously pretty good. ah TKO'd Bo Nickel, right?
00:02:06
Reese
Bo was a favorite though, right?
00:02:06
Cokeley Brothers
I mean...
00:02:08
Problem Solver
Bo was a pretty good favorite. Listen, the man Bo looked like he... I don't want to say he was overlooking his opponent, but he definitely looked underprepared.
00:02:18
Reese
He looked bad.
00:02:21
Cokeley Brothers
Something felt off about this one.
00:02:21
Reese
Yeah. and
00:02:21
Problem Solver
And the other guy looked like he wanted it more.
00:02:24
Cokeley Brothers
Something felt off about this one.
00:02:26
Problem Solver
Yeah, I'll tell you what it was. Ryan put $100 on Bo Nickel.
00:02:30
Cokeley Brothers
I can't believe it.
00:02:30
Reese
Oh, no.
00:02:31
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:02:32
Reese
Why would you put $100 on Bo Nickel?
00:02:33
Problem Solver
Flush. Because I thought my bet was safe, dude.
00:02:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:02:36
Problem Solver
I thought that was like super... sad Because I've never lost a bet on
00:02:39
Reese
ah
Wrestling Fans and Allegiances
00:02:40
Problem Solver
Bo Nickel.
00:02:40
Problem Solver
I've won seven bets with Bo Nickel.
00:02:40
Reese
oh
00:02:41
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. is He hasn't lost.
00:02:43
Reese
Well, I guess that makes sense.
00:02:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. ah
00:02:45
Reese
you know We're not winning a lot of money with those bets.
00:02:48
Problem Solver
No.
00:02:48
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:02:49
Cokeley Brothers
No, no kidding.
00:02:49
Problem Solver
No.
00:02:50
Cokeley Brothers
like Dude, some of them.
00:02:50
Problem Solver
But I am winning money.
00:02:52
Cokeley Brothers
Wasn't he like minus 5,000 or something crazy for one of his fights?
00:02:52
Reese
It is free money.
00:02:57
Problem Solver
yeah well that guy that took one of like the i think it was his like third fight in the ufc um he he took it like last second and he just absolutely mauled the dude yeah how was that
00:03:12
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:03:15
Cokeley Brothers
So he lost and there were people on Twitter, ah
00:03:22
Cokeley Brothers
primarily the people that, that were dogging on bow nickel are a group of people that can be defined as you're either an Iowa fan, an Iowa wrestling fan, or you are a general hater of Penn state.
00:03:40
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, and to my knowledge, yeah.
00:03:42
Reese
Or you just don't like Bo maybe. I think maybe it's you either it's either you're an Iowa fan or you don't like Bo.
00:03:45
Problem Solver
Well, that's the see that's the thing, though.
00:03:46
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:03:48
Cokeley Brothers
And there's some crossover.
00:03:49
Problem Solver
is like
Depth of Wrestling Weight Classes
00:03:51
Problem Solver
Or your you know you maybe you're a j b yeah a j b guy, and you know he's come after quite a few times.
00:03:57
Reese
Right.
00:03:57
Problem Solver
and I mean, dude, he's made, he's, it's not just Iowa people that he's made enemies out of.
00:03:59
Reese
That falls under. Yeah.
00:04:03
Problem Solver
It's Nebraska people with burrows and Jersey people with, but I mean, yeah, know, and then just general wrestling people, you know, there are people that just don't like his attitude and the way he talks and and, that's okay.
00:04:08
Reese
yeah
00:04:14
Reese
Right.
00:04:15
Problem Solver
People are allowed to have, you know, those opinions on Bo. It's, he's no, I wouldn't say he's a saint by any means.
00:04:23
Cokeley Brothers
No, no, personally, I have not.
00:04:25
Problem Solver
i don't I like Bo. I always bet on Bo and hope hope that he wins. But you know I can see why people don't agree with the stuff that he does and says. so
00:04:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, as far as him fighting. Yeah, I will. I want Bo to win all of his fights, at least as long as it's not.
00:04:41
Problem Solver
yeah
00:04:43
Cokeley Brothers
So oh if he goes up against like, I don't know, some other NCAA wrestler, maybe I'll cheer them on.
00:04:48
Problem Solver
and i'd probably
00:04:49
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:04:49
Problem Solver
I'd probably still pick Bo.
00:04:51
Cokeley Brothers
It depends. It really depends on who it is. ah But the the point is, ah ah there were then there were a a handful of ah defenders, I guess. People who were saying, if you aren't just if you are a fan of wrestling and you aren't cheering on Bo Nickel, then you aren't a fan of wrestling. It's basically what was what the claim was being made.
00:05:13
Problem Solver
I mean, it's one guy that was saying that.
00:05:15
Reese
Yeah, who's leading the charge?
00:05:15
Cokeley Brothers
this the biggest The loudest voice was Pat Mineo, for sure.
00:05:15
Problem Solver
and then and then other And then the other guy and then other people were echoing him or whatever.
00:05:21
Cokeley Brothers
Now, right.
00:05:21
Problem Solver
you know just it's and it's you know And he does it because he likes to troll Iowa people. And that's whatever, dude.
00:05:28
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:05:30
Problem Solver
That's his prerogative.
00:05:31
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but I mean, there's there's absolutely go ahead.
00:05:34
Reese
But then he would he people people, you know, presenting him with like a different hypothetical like, oh, what if Um, like, would you, so would you cheer for, ah already forgot it.
00:05:50
Reese
It was something to do with Oh no. Would you cheer against, um, ah an American wrestler if like, it was Oh like they're arresting Oh
00:06:01
Cokeley Brothers
Like if it's Ono versus Vito at Worlds, right?
00:06:03
Reese
Yeah. Or something like that. And he said, America, obviously I'd do America like, you know, it's, you know, it's always going to be America, blah, blah.
00:06:05
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:06:08
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm.
00:06:10
Reese
buy And it's like, what you're a liar, dude.
00:06:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:06:13
Problem Solver
Dude, I mean, that's... And that's... You know what? That's... If that's what you want to do, then that's on you. Don't hate on other people for their own preferences. Like...
00:06:21
Reese
And don't lie, because he's straight up, he's lying, if if you ask me.
00:06:23
Problem Solver
Yeah. yeah Yeah, he is.
00:06:27
Problem Solver
Oh, you think...
00:06:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I mean, it depends on it depends on the type of fan you are.
00:06:27
Problem Solver
Well...
00:06:30
Reese
i'm um miss i'm I'm not getting the ah hypothetical right. I would need to look back at it, because that's not what it was.
00:06:30
Cokeley Brothers
If you are a, like...
00:06:35
Cokeley Brothers
and Okay. Okay.
00:06:37
Reese
It was something like, it was something where it's like, okay, obviously you're lying, dude, just to prove your point.
00:06:46
Problem Solver
Like ah ah maybe at nationals. is Was that the hypothetical?
00:06:49
Reese
That might have been what it was.
00:06:50
Problem Solver
Oh no. Versus like, ah Drake Ayala or Ryan Crookham.
00:06:50
Reese
I don't know. Oh, I have to find it.
00:06:59
Problem Solver
Dylan Chauver.
00:06:59
Cokeley Brothers
but at at the end of the day At the end of the day, people are going to have their allegiances, and no one is beholden to anything in particular, or anything generic, I guess.
00:07:09
Problem Solver
Dude, and it's it's also it's sports. It's not anti-American to cheer for a guy that you like just because he's from a different country and he's fighting another American.
00:07:18
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:07:18
Problem Solver
Like that's, you know what i mean?
00:07:19
Cokeley Brothers
Right, right, right. Or, he's... is Okay, I... It's not, anti it's not, it's fine. If you don't like Bo Nickel, it's fine for you to cheer against them and still be a fan of wrestling.
00:07:28
Problem Solver
Yeah.
00:07:29
Cokeley Brothers
That exists.
00:07:30
Problem Solver
Yeah.
00:07:30
Cokeley Brothers
And it forever will because Bo Nickel has given himself a little bit of this heel look to, to his persona, his, his public image.
00:07:31
Problem Solver
Yeah.
00:07:41
Cokeley Brothers
And that's, I'm guessing his approach and it's good for him. And you're going to have haters for it. So it's just the way it is.
00:07:49
Problem Solver
Haters gonna hate, hate, hate.
00:07:50
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. um'm I'm about to hate. Ryan, what are you playing?
00:07:54
Problem Solver
Ha ha
00:07:56
Reese
How do you catch them so well? yeah
00:07:58
Problem Solver
Because I keep turning my head like this.
00:07:58
Reese
I had no idea.
00:07:58
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, when you're just like, when you're just, when you're, this is it.
00:08:02
Cokeley Brothers
This is what this is what I'm getting.
00:08:05
Problem Solver
Yeah, but i'm i'm I'm dialed in both right now.
00:08:08
Cokeley Brothers
You're at least, yeah, you're at least, Dalton. I just want to know. but What are you queued up for right now?
00:08:11
Problem Solver
What do you think I'm playing?
00:08:12
Cokeley Brothers
You playing, you forkknifing?
00:08:12
Problem Solver
I've been all on the night. The night.
00:08:15
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. All right.
00:08:16
Problem Solver
All about that spoon night.
00:08:18
Reese
Dude, you know, we should all play all three of us.
00:08:18
Cokeley Brothers
That's fine.
00:08:22
Cokeley Brothers
That game that I sent you guys. That game was sick.
00:08:24
Reese
Oh, I did not.
00:08:24
Problem Solver
Yeah, we should play that game.
00:08:25
Reese
I did not.
00:08:27
Problem Solver
That game does look pretty cool.
00:08:27
Reese
If we played that game and we didn't play, we played that game over the game that I'm about to ask, I'm going be very sad and very upset.
00:08:30
Problem Solver
Elden Ring?
00:08:35
Problem Solver
Is it Elden Ring, Reese?
00:08:36
Cokeley Brothers
Go for it.
00:08:36
Problem Solver
Are you going to ask for Elden Ring?
00:08:38
Reese
No, no, no, no. Elder Ring Night Reign. It's a three-player co-op. And the more stuff I see about this game, the more I'm like, oh my god, I might have to buy this game.
00:08:45
Problem Solver
ah
00:08:49
Cokeley Brothers
Is it out?
00:08:51
Reese
It comes out later this month.
00:08:55
Reese
And they just did like a showcase of one of like the final bosses or whatever. Dude, it just looks good. It looks just too good.
00:09:03
Cokeley Brothers
I have played i've played like three hours of video game in the last like three months maybe four probably three
00:09:12
Reese
She stood your life together.
00:09:13
Problem Solver
No R6.
00:09:16
Cokeley Brothers
That's kind of... Alright. ah
00:09:22
Problem Solver
Got him, Reese.
00:09:22
Cokeley Brothers
ah That's funny.
00:09:25
Problem Solver
Got him, Reese.
00:09:26
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:09:26
Problem Solver
Good job.
00:09:28
Cokeley Brothers
um I put out a tweet today. I think think I feel confident with the with the idea too. I think 133 is going to be the toughest wait next year at NCAAs.
00:09:42
Cokeley Brothers
Like, by far.
00:09:47
Reese
What'd you say? I'm about to find.
00:09:50
Problem Solver
He says 133 is going to be the toughest weight by far next year.
00:09:53
Reese
and What makes you say that?
00:09:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:09:53
Reese
I want to know why you say that.
00:09:55
Problem Solver
No, it's deep. I saw his tweet.
00:09:56
Cokeley Brothers
So you've got, so you've got two returning national champs, Lucas bird, Richie Figueroa.
00:09:57
Problem Solver
It's deep.
00:10:03
Cokeley Brothers
You've got one of two guys between, Masanosuke Ono, who is a world champ or Marcus blaze, who has beaten, you know, he he's, he's number two on the ladder, uh, number three this year or whatever.
00:10:19
Cokeley Brothers
Uh,
Evolution of Wrestling Talent
00:10:20
Cokeley Brothers
You've got multiple you've got a national finalist, Drake Alley. You've got multiple returning All-Americans. You have ah rising stars like Ben DeVino. i don't think ah I don't think any weight class compares.
00:10:32
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, you've got guys, you know, we can take a look at like even J.D. Raider's predictions that he did on flow.
00:10:37
Problem Solver
84 is going to be good next year.
00:10:38
Cokeley Brothers
84 is going to be good.
00:10:39
Problem Solver
It'll it'll compete with it.
00:10:41
Cokeley Brothers
84 is gonna be good, but also like all Americans from this last year, <unk>re they're losing one Connor McGonigal, but he's got, I think he's got ah handful of them, not even getting that. I think they're like losing in the round of 16 because it's, it's that deep and you have that much additional talent.
00:10:59
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, even imagine a situation where Nick Buzak is transfers out and he's wrestling for Pittsburgh and he's wrestling on 33 like this, this weight can be crazy. It's even losing like Nasir Bailey's not going to be there next year.
00:11:10
Reese
So name them, name, name the guys.
00:11:10
Cokeley Brothers
And he was,
00:11:13
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, so you have, I mean, I guess this is this is how I'll phrase it, because we don't know for a fact that we're going to get Ono or Blaze at 33. Neither of them could be there. But then you have Braden Davis, most likely.
00:11:22
Reese
No, one of you don't think one of them will be there.
00:11:23
Problem Solver
One of them will be.
00:11:25
Problem Solver
One of them will be. Yes.
00:11:25
Cokeley Brothers
you think You think for sure one of them will be?
00:11:27
Reese
Dude, do you remember seeing blaze in person
00:11:32
Cokeley Brothers
Did we see Blaze in person?
00:11:33
Reese
at Philadelphia? Yeah, we walked, he was in, he's tiny.
00:11:35
Problem Solver
his He's not very big.
00:11:39
Reese
He's short is what I i really mean.
00:11:39
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm. be Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
00:11:43
Problem Solver
like If he's going to make 65 kilos, it's not a problem for him.
00:11:44
Cokeley Brothers
Sure. sure
00:11:48
Reese
Yeah.
00:11:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, okay. So you have one of between Ohno and blaze at one 33, you have Lucas bird, Richie Figueroa, Drake Ayala, Ryan Crookham.
00:12:02
Cokeley Brothers
Ben DeVino or Nick Bousakis and or Nick Bousakis, Zan Fugit, Tyler Knox, Zeth Romney, Jacob Van D, possibly Frost.
00:12:13
Cokeley Brothers
ah Other people who I'm not even mentioning. Frost might not be at 33 next year because apparently that was a hell of a cut. But I mean, it's pretty deep.
00:12:24
Reese
yeah
00:12:26
Problem Solver
yeah
00:12:27
Reese
I need to see the other weights.
00:12:27
Problem Solver
Yeah, Iowa State has, um
00:12:31
Cokeley Brothers
a problem.
00:12:32
Problem Solver
yeah, has an abundance of talent.
00:12:34
Cokeley Brothers
Even, even dude, even losing Chittum and Redding and Swiderski, they still have a little bit of a log jam, which is crazy.
00:12:42
Problem Solver
Yeah, no, they have, not a little bit. They have a huge lockdown.
00:12:47
Cokeley Brothers
It's nuts.
00:12:47
Reese
um yeah do we How do we think this stacks up to like
00:12:54
Reese
What year was it? 2020 or 2019? think it was 2019, maybe. 133 2019. That bracket. Like, Suriano, Fix, CBass, maybe. I think RBY in there. DeSanto. DeSanto.
00:13:03
Problem Solver
133 in 2019. Refresh my memory.
00:13:04
Reese
that
00:13:04
Problem Solver
What 133 2010?
00:13:08
Reese
like serriano fix me it ah see bass maybe
00:13:18
Problem Solver
but about one thirty three
00:13:19
Reese
de sano
00:13:20
Problem Solver
two thousand and ten
00:13:24
Reese
All right, which one are you looking up, Sammy?
00:13:26
Cokeley Brothers
I'm looking up 2019. I've got it pulled up.
00:13:31
Cokeley Brothers
2019-133.
00:13:41
Problem Solver
I meant 2009.
00:13:42
Cokeley Brothers
Ethan Lezak, Austin DeSanto, Roman Bravo-Young, Austin Gomez, Ernest E was in there, Montori Bridges, Gary Joint,
00:13:43
Problem Solver
I said 2010. I definitely meant nine.
00:13:47
Reese
John Ernesty.
00:13:57
Reese
Oh, yeah, Gary Joy.
00:13:58
Cokeley Brothers
Tariq Wilson,
00:14:02
Reese
Yeah, Tariq Wilson.
00:14:02
Cokeley Brothers
This is a Gary Wayne Harding.
00:14:06
Reese
G-Dub? Good lord, dude.
00:14:08
Cokeley Brothers
This is a, this is pretty, this a pretty nutty weight.
00:14:12
Problem Solver
two thousand and nine
00:14:12
Reese
that was That was the year that John Smith was like, this is the toughest bracket or the deepest bracket I've ever seen in my life.
00:14:20
Problem Solver
two thousand and nine
00:14:22
Reese
I'm looking it up.
00:14:23
Cokeley Brothers
Pulling it up, pulling it up.
00:14:26
Reese
It won't load.
00:14:27
Cokeley Brothers
ah I've got it.
00:14:30
Cokeley Brothers
133, we got Frank Gomez, Reese Humphrey, Jason Ness, Andrew Hochstrasser, ah Dan Dennis, Lou
Impact of NIL on Wrestling
00:14:40
Cokeley Brothers
Rugarello, Dan Michef.
00:14:44
Reese
Yeah, that's a little out of my depth.
00:14:46
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I mean, I'm not.
00:14:46
Problem Solver
Jordan Oliver. I mean, dude, Jason Ness, Dan Dennis, Frank Gomez, Mike Gray, Jordan Oliver.
00:14:47
Cokeley Brothers
Mike, Mike Gray, Dan Dennis.
00:14:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:14:54
Problem Solver
Look at just go look at the podium, the podium finishers.
00:14:55
Cokeley Brothers
ah I'm sorry, i was Jordan Oliver? Where's Jordan Oliver in here?
00:15:01
Problem Solver
Is that not the year he took fourth?
00:15:01
Cokeley Brothers
I don't see Jordan Oliver in here, no.
00:15:03
Problem Solver
two thousand 2009. Hmm. and nine
00:15:07
Cokeley Brothers
No Jordan Oliver, not at 133.
00:15:10
Problem Solver
Maybe it was 2010.
00:15:11
Reese
Be here, Richard that year.
00:15:12
Problem Solver
What did Jason Ness win it that year?
00:15:16
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yes, or no, Jason Ness took third. Frank Gomez won it.
00:15:20
Problem Solver
Oh, okay. I meant 2010 then. Go to 2010. That one was also good though.
00:15:24
Cokeley Brothers
Pulling it up. It was. Okay, 133, 2010.
00:15:32
Reese
Does it, it doesn't.
00:15:32
Cokeley Brothers
Consolation.
00:15:35
Reese
But right now, 2019 multiple.
00:15:35
Cokeley Brothers
it' a
00:15:37
Problem Solver
there's
00:15:38
Reese
multiple
00:15:38
Problem Solver
One of those brackets had like multiple Olympians, like multiple future Olympians, like Hodge, Hodge trophy winners, multiple national champs.
00:15:43
Reese
This one is...
00:15:47
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So hang on. No, let's listen to this. Listen to this. Listen to this. Uh, I'll just list off the first, the the eight all Americans, uh, Jason Ness, Daniel Dennis, Frank Gomez, Jordan, Oliver, Tyler graph, Dan Mitch F Boris Novotkov, Steve bell.
00:16:04
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, you also had, uh, Mike gray, uh,
00:16:12
Cokeley Brothers
and Ian paddock is in there.
00:16:17
Problem Solver
Ian, he got big.
00:16:19
Reese
There are no world champs in that bracket.
00:16:19
Problem Solver
was his freshman year too.
00:16:21
Reese
I will say that no world champs, no Olympic medalists.
00:16:27
Cokeley Brothers
Novotkov did middle?
00:16:27
Reese
Franklin Gomez.
00:16:30
Problem Solver
Yeah, but there's three Olympians. Dude, that one's just deep. Three.
00:16:34
Reese
Whoa, come on.
00:16:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, well, hang on, hang on. Wait, how many Olympians we have?
00:16:39
Problem Solver
three
00:16:39
Cokeley Brothers
Well, what is... yeah i know, I know. You have Novotkov, right?
00:16:41
Reese
In 2019 has one, two, three. No, fix. Never made it
00:16:47
Problem Solver
Technically, and and he wasn't Olympian, but he was on the Olympic team, Jordan Oliver.
00:16:51
Cokeley Brothers
Right, that's that's the one that I was going to mention.
00:16:52
Reese
Right.
00:16:53
Cokeley Brothers
Graf made a world team.
00:16:56
Problem Solver
Graff has a world medal.
00:16:56
Cokeley Brothers
um No, doesn't. Yes.
00:16:59
Problem Solver
Doesn't he?
00:16:59
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:17:00
Problem Solver
He took bronze.
00:17:01
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, do take bronze?
00:17:02
Reese
Either him or the other guy, Cologne.
00:17:02
Problem Solver
No, maybe he got fifth. He might have got fifth.
00:17:06
Cokeley Brothers
Cologne took bronze for sure. I know that.
00:17:07
Reese
OK, then he did not take bronze.
00:17:08
Problem Solver
was cologne Cologne wasn't in that bracket that year.
00:17:12
Reese
Cologne, I just know that one of them took bronze and one of them took fifth.
00:17:15
Cokeley Brothers
ah think graph took fifth.
00:17:17
Problem Solver
Yeah, then cologne was
Wrestling Event Organization
00:17:20
Problem Solver
Yeah,
00:17:21
Cokeley Brothers
World championships, Tyler graph, fifth place, 2019.
00:17:22
Problem Solver
yeah he was fifth and cologne was bronze.
00:17:26
Cokeley Brothers
But, whoa, Tyler Graff is a world champ at 2024 Veteran Worlds. so
00:17:31
Reese
Oh,
00:17:32
Problem Solver
There you go. Eat it Reese.
00:17:33
Cokeley Brothers
So, yeah.
00:17:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:17:40
Cokeley Brothers
Crazy.
00:17:40
Problem Solver
Eat it.
00:17:43
Reese
I will eat nothing.
00:17:44
Cokeley Brothers
ah Okay. I mean, Pantaleo. Excuse me? There's a Pantaleo in here?
00:17:55
Cokeley Brothers
Joey Pantaleo from Liberty.
00:17:59
Cokeley Brothers
All right. Uh, 2019 NCAA is one 33. That is a pretty ridiculous bracket. And there's still some time for the legacy of it to develop. But I think with this upcoming year, one 33, I mean, it's weird how one 33 has got, ah got all of these crazy deep weight or crazy, crazy deep years. Right.
00:18:19
Problem Solver
Weird how.
00:18:21
Cokeley Brothers
Weird how, right. Um,
00:18:24
Reese
What are you insinuating?
00:18:25
Cokeley Brothers
But yeah, I mean, 184 is going to be tough. You have McAnally. You have Ferrari. You've got a combination of, well, you're going to have Rocco Welsh, but who are you going to have from Oklahoma State? It's going to be somebody tough between Zach Ryder and Braden Thompson and Jersey Rob.
00:18:51
Cokeley Brothers
Jackson Smith's in there. i don't really know. so I looked at these championship predictions that the JD Raider put out and like McAnally, Ferrari, Welsh.
00:19:04
Reese
with the one with the one with eight or seven penn state finalists
00:19:07
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Just, just, just, but I know, I know. Just, just, just, just listen to me. Just listen to me.
00:19:14
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, McAnally, Ferrari, Welsh, or what are your one, two and three fourth place? Jackson Smith.
00:19:21
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know about that. You know, And then you got Zack Ryder, Aiden Sinclair, Silas Allred, Bennett Berge, Edmund Ruth. I don't know. I just, I don't quite think that this weight is as deep as 133.
00:19:36
Cokeley Brothers
Personally.
00:19:40
Cokeley Brothers
That's how I see it.
00:19:41
Reese
What about, don't know, I feel like, you know, 49, I've just got this feeling about 49 always, every year.
00:19:42
Cokeley Brothers
What do you think?
00:19:50
Cokeley Brothers
Always every year. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:52
Reese
Well, you know, not every year, but definitely the the most in these recent years, for sure.
00:19:53
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:19:56
Cokeley Brothers
I guess maybe there might've been a couple of years where like,
00:19:58
Reese
Well, there were definitely a couple years.
00:20:01
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, I'm thinking about like when yeah you always think about those years where you've got a guy who's so tough that he kind of clears out a weight class, you know, like Nolf kind of felt like Nolf did that at 57 and Rutherford had done that at 49.
00:20:09
Reese
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:14
Reese
But we talked about it.
00:20:15
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:20:15
Reese
There was a year at 49 where there wasn't a tough guy.
00:20:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:20:18
Reese
And it just was not a great weight.
00:20:24
Problem Solver
You're saying Ronnie Perry isn't tough?
00:20:25
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:20:27
Reese
I'm talking about Hadeshow. I'm talking about the year Hadeshow won.
00:20:31
Problem Solver
Oh, 15? 14 wasn't... I don't know.
00:20:32
Reese
The year after Sertzis won it, yeah.
00:20:32
Problem Solver
15
00:20:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I mean, have forty nine yeah, 49, you got, you got.
00:20:39
Problem Solver
have been better than dude.
00:20:42
Reese
Yeah, I mean, maybe. I don't know. I'd have to... I mean, neither one of those were good, were tough weights or tough brackets.
00:20:48
Problem Solver
so
00:20:51
Problem Solver
Well, except in 14, you did have a returning national champ take seventh or eighth.
00:20:52
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:20:56
Reese
Kendrick?
00:20:57
Cokeley Brothers
Kendrick. Yeah.
00:20:58
Problem Solver
Kendrick.
00:20:59
Reese
That doesn't really count.
00:21:00
Reese
He was coasting.
00:21:00
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:21:01
Cokeley Brothers
Did he feel checked out that year?
00:21:03
Problem Solver
Doesn't matter.
00:21:05
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:21:05
Reese
It matters.
00:21:06
Cokeley Brothers
Right. I mean, you can, cause you could say the same thing with however we see Richie, Richie Figgs do at one 33 this upcoming year. You just don't know what it's going to look like.
00:21:13
Reese
Richie Figgs, you think he's checked out?
00:21:16
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, going to Oklahoma state.
00:21:17
Reese
and being
00:21:17
Problem Solver
125 this year had a national champ not even placed.
00:21:19
Reese
Maybe he already checked out, though.
00:21:20
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Exactly.
00:21:21
Reese
and Yeah, but he got pinned, bro. He got caught and pinned in the queerness.
00:21:25
Problem Solver
Okay, what happened on the backside, dude?
00:21:25
Cokeley Brothers
And then the backside. I'm on the backside.
00:21:27
Reese
That's what I'm saying. He got caught and pinned and then had sad boy hours.
00:21:34
Reese
he's I don't think he's i don't think he he's ah going to keep wrestling.
00:21:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and
00:21:39
Reese
i think after DMPing, you have something to prove. You know yeah you have something to prove.
00:21:43
Cokeley Brothers
yeah and
00:21:45
Reese
you You weren't just a one-off champ. I mean, you can get another All-American in there. you know And it just feels different than it was back then, dude. I don't know. Back then, it feels like ah guys really – there was a lot more guys that felt like they were just like, I just want to be done.
00:22:02
Reese
ah hate this. I want to be done. And it feels like that doesn't happen.
00:22:04
Problem Solver
i You don't get that feeling now?
00:22:06
Reese
Well, i do. I think it still happens, but I don't think it's nearly as bad. I think I think these kids are just so much more disciplined and well-rounded than the guys were 10 years ago.
00:22:15
Problem Solver
You know why? You know what it is. It's the wrestling less matches, dude.
00:22:19
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm.
00:22:22
Reese
Yeah, whatever it may be.
00:22:24
Problem Solver
On average.
00:22:24
Cokeley Brothers
Sure.
00:22:25
Problem Solver
On average. On average.
00:22:26
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know. i don't know how I feel about that. Here's why. Here's what i was thinking about.
00:22:32
Problem Solver
Dudes are still just as checked out, though, if you ask me.
00:22:34
Reese
You think they're – well, okay, so is it – are they like wrestling – so you're saying they're wrestling less matches and they're just as checked out?
00:22:43
Problem Solver
I'm saying I don't think there's that much of a difference. I think there might might have been more 10 years ago, but the number isn't, it hasn't gone down that much.
00:22:46
Reese
yeah Look at it this way.
00:22:51
Reese
if you look at just guys who were number ones or like pound for pound, top 10, number ones in their weight class who didn't pan out in like classes from 10, 15 years ago versus now.
00:23:05
Problem Solver
Oh, I was confused on what you were saying.
00:23:10
Cokeley Brothers
i think here's and here I think here's another big thing about it, right?
00:23:12
Problem Solver
Yeah, I'm still kind of confused. What are you saying here?
00:23:14
Cokeley Brothers
the The ceiling...
00:23:14
Problem Solver
Are you saying that guys
00:23:15
Reese
talking about guys. I'm talking about guys not getting burned out as much and not having off the mat bad habits as much like, you know, like a lot of, I feel like Oklahoma state dudes like 10 years ago were like a lot of them got burnt out near the end of their careers.
00:23:35
Reese
and I mean, you know, maybe that's, maybe I'm generalizing there, but guys definitely do it.
00:23:40
Problem Solver
I guess, I guess like who? Give me an example.
00:23:44
Reese
Josh can dig.
00:23:46
Problem Solver
He was hurt.
00:23:47
Reese
We know, but we know for a fact that he wanted to be done.
00:23:52
Problem Solver
We do?
00:23:54
Reese
Dude, he's, yeah, I don't remember who said it, but like, they were like, yeah, Josh just didn't want to wrestle anymore. He was, you know, he wrestled his senior year just to wrestle and he was ready he was ready to be done cutting weight and stuff like that.
00:24:11
Problem Solver
I must not have been there for this.
00:24:12
Cokeley Brothers
me let me Let me propose this idea to you guys.
00:24:16
Problem Solver
But also, there's the rumor we know about, too.
00:24:17
Cokeley Brothers
Do you think...
00:24:19
Problem Solver
so
00:24:24
Reese
We're about the one we heard at the trials in 2016.
00:24:27
Problem Solver
i'
00:24:27
Reese
Oh yeah.
00:24:28
Problem Solver
No, I'm talking about um talking about the rumor I've recently heard. Recently.
00:24:38
Reese
ah yeah
00:24:38
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:24:38
Problem Solver
Recently.
00:24:40
Reese
That's a good example of, yeah.
00:24:40
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:24:43
Cokeley Brothers
Now, well, so, so, okay. So let me, let me throw this idea out there in terms of a reason why guys might be more motivated to have a full career.
00:24:55
Reese
Yeah, there's there's one obvious reason right right off the bat.
00:24:57
Problem Solver
Yeah.
00:24:57
Cokeley Brothers
Just more money.
00:24:58
Reese
yeah
00:24:58
Cokeley Brothers
There's just immediately more opportunity for money. ah Your cap is not no longer because like, think about it 10 years ago and even five years ago, the best you could get was a full scholarship and that's it.
00:25:13
Cokeley Brothers
That's your cap. Now you can get millions of dollars immediately. There's a, there's a serious massive jump in terms of opportunity and incentive for people to perform consistently.
00:25:24
Reese
Right. There's yeah. And there's speaking of incentives, bonuses apparently for placing and stuff like that. Right. That's, that's a thing now.
00:25:33
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a thing. It was a thing beforehand. Like, like one of the things about the way scholarships were handled, at least in my experience was if you're a starter, you get, you know, you're at a certain point. And if you, you know, make it to the NCAAs, you get more. And if you place at the NCAAs, you get more like that's a thing.
00:25:54
Reese
yeah
00:25:54
Cokeley Brothers
um Now, obviously that can just be applied to, to NIL, which is great. I think, I think, If you're not incentivizing performance, you're probably not using NIL the right way.
00:26:07
Cokeley Brothers
If you're just trying to, if you're throwing a six figure offer to a guy just to get him in the room and that's it, what have you done?
00:26:10
Reese
like with with uh with certain people
00:26:14
Cokeley Brothers
You've done nothing. You've done nothing for yourself.
00:26:19
Reese
there are examples yeah of this past season
00:26:19
Cokeley Brothers
Exactly.
00:26:24
Cokeley Brothers
Now, so I think that's the right way to handle n il
00:26:27
Problem Solver
Allegedly.
00:26:28
Reese
magic didn we
00:26:30
Cokeley Brothers
Now, I don't know what some of the limitations and stipulations are in terms of what you can do with NIL. Can you make it like this full incentive-based contract? I don't know. I don't know if
Identifying Quality in Wrestling and Pokemon
00:26:40
Cokeley Brothers
there's legal issues with that.
00:26:44
Cokeley Brothers
have no idea.
00:26:46
Problem Solver
Junior college coaches like, you know, like David Taylor, he can divvy out in NIL money. He's got a war chest, so to speak.
00:26:53
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Yes.
00:26:54
Problem Solver
We're not allowed a war chest.
00:26:57
Cokeley Brothers
neither Neither are the Ivy Leagues. they They can do like sponsored deals where it's like, oh, you're a Nike athlete, but you can't do like, Mike Gray can't go cut a check too to anybody.
00:27:01
Problem Solver
Yeah.
00:27:04
Problem Solver
Yeah, no
00:27:07
Problem Solver
Exactly. Yeah, if you're affiliated, you're.
00:27:11
Cokeley Brothers
And I'm going to be honest with you. I wish it was that way across the board because that's the way it should be. You shouldn't just be able to have this this bag with a fat dollar sign on it.
00:27:22
Cokeley Brothers
It just be able to reach in and and throw whatever you need at the problem.
00:27:24
Problem Solver
A, A, anywhere that's able to profit off your name, image, and likeness, you should be able to get money from.
00:27:33
Cokeley Brothers
Anywhere that's able to profit off your name image on the list.
00:27:34
Problem Solver
Anywhere, anywhere, any, any institution, business, anything that is able to profit off your name, image, and likeness, including your university, your university or college, whatever, should be able to pay you.
00:27:38
Reese
that
00:27:42
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm. Right.
00:27:44
Reese
but
00:27:45
Cokeley Brothers
Uh-huh.
00:27:46
Reese
That does not apply to wrestling though.
00:27:47
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. Within, yeah within means, right?
00:27:49
Problem Solver
Why? But why can't, but why can't it apply to wrestling race?
00:27:51
Cokeley Brothers
Because...
00:27:53
Reese
Only and unless we unless we drive that kind of that level of interest and make that much of a difference in sponsors, then...
00:27:53
Cokeley Brothers
it
00:27:58
Problem Solver
Well, I mean, there it is, though, at you know, some some schools. i'm not Obviously, and not all schools can do that, but it's the way of the world.
00:28:07
Cokeley Brothers
I agree with the idea that like, if I can, if I can sponsorship the sponsor, the low or get sponsored by the local car dealership and that drives them more business, obviously. Yeah.
00:28:18
Cokeley Brothers
Some of the money should go towards me. There's zero way. There's zero possibility that any wrestler is going to be driving in millions of dollars in value to any wrestling program.
00:28:29
Cokeley Brothers
It's impossible.
00:28:31
Problem Solver
Well, don't know about impossible, but... There
00:28:33
Cokeley Brothers
It's impossible.
00:28:34
Reese
I think it's impossible.
00:28:34
Cokeley Brothers
It is yet to be done. It is, it is unproven.
00:28:36
Problem Solver
you go. Unproven.
00:28:40
Cokeley Brothers
Unproven. And yet, kids are getting millions of dollars.
00:28:41
Reese
Unprecedented.
00:28:44
Reese
Yeah.
00:28:45
Cokeley Brothers
Millions.
00:28:46
Reese
Yeah. And it shouldn't even be called NIL.
00:28:49
Cokeley Brothers
No. It is professional athlete contracts.
00:28:55
Problem Solver
they're profiting off their They're profiting off their name, image, and likeness.
00:28:55
Reese
Yeah. And we should, and we should,
00:28:55
Cokeley Brothers
Basically.
00:28:58
Problem Solver
What are you talking about?
00:28:59
Reese
we should know how much they're getting paid.
00:29:01
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. yeah
00:29:04
Problem Solver
We do.
00:29:04
Reese
also.
00:29:04
Problem Solver
For some some places...
00:29:06
Reese
i want I want it to be open public information just like in professional sports.
00:29:06
Cokeley Brothers
Right, but i mean it's not it's not as transparent. Yeah, yeah. Like the in ah NFL, yeah. That would be interesting. I mean, because because then then all the gloves are off.
00:29:20
Cokeley Brothers
we We're just doing things out out and...
00:29:22
Reese
Yeah, I would hate that. I would hate that. That's really what it would just be hilarious.
00:29:26
Cokeley Brothers
Kay would be like, send them fake numbers. send them Send them counterfeit Pokemon cards.
00:29:30
Problem Solver
counterfeit numbers pokemon parable pokemon them right now
00:29:32
Reese
ah so
00:29:33
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:29:37
Problem Solver
oh man what a flex i started reading that article and i was i yeah i did reese did you read it i showed moffat today i was like moffat you got to read this article this dude is a total nerd total nerd he was nerding out in that blog dude
00:29:40
Cokeley Brothers
Did you guys read that? Yeah.
00:29:44
Reese
I did not read this article.
00:29:52
Cokeley Brothers
He's total nerd. And I love it.
00:29:54
Reese
What was he saying?
00:29:57
Problem Solver
I mean, like, he knows... he has He has done his research on Pokemon card collecting, dude.
00:30:02
Cokeley Brothers
Oh my goodness.
00:30:03
Problem Solver
Like, he knows the grades, PSA, this number, that number.
00:30:04
Cokeley Brothers
You know what?
00:30:04
Reese
Oh.
00:30:07
Problem Solver
Like, this is what they're looking at.
00:30:08
Reese
He's just talking about.
00:30:09
Cokeley Brothers
what to look for.
00:30:10
Problem Solver
Like, the edging and the centering of the cards and the whiting on the outside.
00:30:10
Reese
I'm out of cards.
00:30:14
Problem Solver
Like, he dude, he knows everything to look for.
00:30:16
Reese
He's a money guy. This
00:30:19
Problem Solver
And then he...
00:30:19
Cokeley Brothers
what?
00:30:20
Problem Solver
Dude, he got...
00:30:21
Reese
is a money thing.
00:30:24
Cokeley Brothers
But dude, it was so interesting to listen to him, like focus in on finding quality in the
00:30:30
Reese
You got me excited thinking that he knew He knew the game.
00:30:35
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, i mean, dude, he might. i don't think I don't think it's outside the realm of... but Look, if he likes Pokemon cards, there's a pretty good chance that he likes Pokemon.
00:30:43
Reese
don't know. There is – dude, but the whole thing, like, you know, like the Paul brothers, like Logan Paul big, you know.
00:30:48
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that's that I get that that's money, but I don't think Kale Sanderson's quite in the same bucket.
00:30:51
Reese
He's just –
00:30:51
Problem Solver
yeah race you need to read this ah Yeah, you need to read this article before you start saying stuff like that.
00:30:54
Reese
right.
00:30:57
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, you need to watch yourself, buddy.
00:30:58
Reese
No, you just got me excited. I thought maybe he was gonna I didn't realize there's gonna be about trading cards.
00:31:00
Cokeley Brothers
ah The Kale mafia the ka Mafia will strike you down.
00:31:03
Reese
I thought I was gonna be about just Pokemon in general.
00:31:06
Cokeley Brothers
No, but...
00:31:06
Problem Solver
it's about count It's about counterfeit.
00:31:07
Cokeley Brothers
but
00:31:08
Problem Solver
He got scammed. He got scammed,
Wrestling Brackets and Logistics
00:31:10
Problem Solver
man.
00:31:10
Reese
Oh,
00:31:11
Cokeley Brothers
It was so interesting. And I know that there was a different meaning behind the parable. ah But it was so interesting hearing hearing him like I guess, obsess or just just ah nerd out over like identifying you know quality and and being able to recognize what is going to make the difference between something that is great, which is like ah an eight or a nine, at and what is perfect, which is a 10.
00:31:22
Problem Solver
Nerd out. Nerd out.
00:31:36
Cokeley Brothers
it's like If he can do that with a Pokemon card, he's obviously shown that he can do that with wrestlers and recruitment. He can identify. like He's somehow identified that somehow identified What makes a wrestler, a recruit, a PSA 10?
00:31:51
Cokeley Brothers
He's done that. It's very interesting to me.
00:31:52
Reese
Or maybe they're an eight and a nine and he makes them into a 10. Is that what he's saying?
00:31:57
Problem Solver
Probably for some guys like Matt Brown.
00:31:59
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:32:01
Cokeley Brothers
Right. but and but But he was also, he was talking about the fact that like, he was like, I bought the card and I was so focused on the value. I didn't even, I didn't even see the bigger picture, you know?
00:32:14
Cokeley Brothers
I didn't even worry about, i didn't even worry about whether this thing was real or not. And he, more eloquently and references quotes in the Bible and puts it all together. and it's like, wow, this was, I think I, I, I read it and I was like, okay, this was like last week.
00:32:24
Problem Solver
It's a great article. I should read more of his blogs after that.
00:32:29
Reese
So how old is this blog?
00:32:31
Problem Solver
Literally days. Yeah.
00:32:32
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:32:33
Reese
Oh, so he blogged.
00:32:33
Cokeley Brothers
No, no, no. This, this parable one was like very recent.
00:32:35
Problem Solver
Days. Days.
00:32:38
Reese
That's right.
00:32:39
Problem Solver
Days. I'll look it up.
00:32:41
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. It's like, it was like what's within the last week.
00:32:43
Problem Solver
Monday, even.
00:32:44
Cokeley Brothers
But it made me start to realize, like, okay, I get why when he talks with people, they they just listen. I get it. It's very fascinating.
00:32:57
Cokeley Brothers
So that was...
00:32:57
Problem Solver
Well, you feel like he's one of those guys that doesn't really talk until he has something fascinating to say.
00:33:01
Cokeley Brothers
and and Yeah, and when he does talk, you better be listening.
00:33:05
Reese
I want to know what he's saying. What do you think he thinks about like just. Well, probably don't know, I guess the the whole you know, what does he think about Elon Musk?
00:33:15
Problem Solver
i don't want to guess what he thinks. The
00:33:22
Problem Solver
The parable of the Pokemon card was posted on Rockfin 12 hours ago.
00:33:22
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:33:28
Problem Solver
That's what it says.
00:33:29
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:33:32
Cokeley Brothers
12 hours ago.
00:33:33
Problem Solver
It says 12 hours ago.
00:33:34
Reese
So he blogs on Rockfin.
00:33:35
Cokeley Brothers
i sent it to you days ago. sent it to you days ago.
00:33:40
Problem Solver
I don't know if you did, though, Sammy.
00:33:41
Reese
Is that where he does, is that where he posts them on but run Rockfin?
00:33:41
Problem Solver
Did you send it to me yesterday? Yeah.
00:33:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but he does it on Rockfin. Yes, he does it on Rockfin.
00:33:47
Reese
That's cool.
00:33:47
Problem Solver
um Under the Nittany Lion Wrestling Club.
00:33:47
Cokeley Brothers
I sent it to you I guess maybe it was Monday. Was it yesterday? Might have been yesterday.
00:33:52
Problem Solver
It might have been yesterday, dude. I'm going i'm going through our text right now.
00:33:56
Cokeley Brothers
But 12 hours ago would be 9 a.m. m this morning.
00:34:01
Problem Solver
Cool.
00:34:02
Cokeley Brothers
There's no way it was this morning.
00:34:03
Problem Solver
It might have been this morning.
00:34:04
Cokeley Brothers
Wait, it's Wednesday. I have no idea.
00:34:09
Cokeley Brothers
Either way. ah Yeah, that's... Look, if you guys have a Rockfin subscription, go read Kale Sanderson's
00:34:19
Cokeley Brothers
parable. It's fascinating.
00:34:22
Reese
I don't have one, so you're gonna nap the you're gonna have to pirate it for me.
00:34:22
Problem Solver
terrible Parable of the Pokemon card.
00:34:27
Problem Solver
Yeah, you sent it Monday morning, Yeah, actually I do.
00:34:28
Cokeley Brothers
She's just use Ryan's. um Um, okay.
00:34:32
Reese
No, I want you to pirate it.
00:34:33
Cokeley Brothers
You
00:34:38
Cokeley Brothers
guys want to talk about world team trials?
00:34:43
Reese
When is it? Two weeks?
00:34:45
Problem Solver
Next weekend.
00:34:46
Reese
oh
00:34:47
Problem Solver
not this Not this upcoming weekend, but next weekend.
00:34:50
Cokeley Brothers
10 days away.
00:34:50
Problem Solver
No, I would love to. As as you know, we are seeing more and more of these entries flood in. It's more and more apparent.
00:34:57
Cokeley Brothers
Trickle.
00:34:59
Problem Solver
Well, you know mean. more It becomes more and more apparent to me that, yeah, we need to add the other two weights in here. And then Liladol and Forrest need to just sit in the finals of World Team Trials.
00:35:13
Cokeley Brothers
I don't, I don't think I agree.
00:35:15
Reese
Why? Why does it become more apparent?
00:35:18
Problem Solver
Because of all the college guys that weren't at the Open that were clearly just preparing themselves for world team trials.
00:35:26
Cokeley Brothers
Well, they knew ahead of time, right? Vince Robinson knew as soon as Spencer Lee accepted his birth that he would have to go to the U.S.
00:35:35
Reese
Yeah, but and it's ah it's a quick turnaround, you know, whether you know it or not.
00:35:35
Cokeley Brothers
Open.
00:35:38
Cokeley Brothers
It's a quick turnaround, but this this is the this is the ball you got to play if you're a college athlete. Look, it went whenever...
00:35:43
Reese
Yeah, but his point is
00:35:43
Problem Solver
Sammy, what is, what what is, but Sammy, what is, what what is the negative?
00:35:50
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:35:51
Problem Solver
The term negative can have different meanings depending on the context. I fucking, I fucking hate this bitch. My computer will do it too. And it's no it only does when I say your name.
00:36:00
Cokeley Brothers
ter Turn it off. I had to turn it off so I could live a normal life and speak to myself in third person without being disrupted.
00:36:07
Problem Solver
who Her, her name and your name aren't even the aren't even close in my opinion.
00:36:11
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, they're close enough. Dude, Katie triggers it all the time. All the time.
00:36:18
Problem Solver
I should be able to, I'm going to tell Apple, let me rename this chick.
00:36:18
Cokeley Brothers
Um...
00:36:20
Problem Solver
So when I say my brother's name, she won't pop up anymore.
00:36:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Uh, what is the downside? I think, you know, we talked about the idea that it seems it's, it's seems to me that the U S open is, is trying to be driven as this, the the biggest, one of the biggest events that is run for our,
00:36:43
Reese
We already solved this problem.
00:36:44
Problem Solver
Yeah, you already, yeah.
00:36:45
Reese
Cash prize.
00:36:46
Problem Solver
Mm-hmm.
00:36:47
Reese
Real cash prize, Sammy.
00:36:48
Cokeley Brothers
what?
00:36:49
Reese
Not your nonsense stipend.
00:36:49
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, real cash prize, not the national team.
00:36:51
Problem Solver
And also, that
00:36:52
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. ah Uh,
00:36:57
Problem Solver
that doesn't mean that we can't, well why can't we have two premier events? Three. Why can't we have three premier events? We have two.
00:37:06
Cokeley Brothers
So, so one of the things that I've noticed,
00:37:06
Problem Solver
Why can't we have three?
00:37:10
Problem Solver
We don't have enough events already, so the events we do have, we should make them the best events that we can.
00:37:14
Reese
I agree.
00:37:16
Cokeley Brothers
right? Well, I mean, which is ah this is the thing. One of the things I've noticed with, uh, with the senior level is guys do not compete that often. And it seems to be by design.
00:37:27
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, it seems as, as the talent increases, the frequency of competition decreases. And I have my own thoughts on it. I personally think it's kind of nonsense.
00:37:37
Reese
your thoughts?
00:37:39
Reese
Me too.
00:37:40
Cokeley Brothers
And I reference people like Kyle Snyder to to say, hey, you can compete a lot and still be healthy and still be successful. It's possible.
00:37:51
Cokeley Brothers
Does it fit you? Maybe not. But anyway,
00:37:56
Cokeley Brothers
I am just, I'm touchy on like, sending, you know, you're D you're, you're not incentivizing the u S open as much. It's still an incentive. Sure. And if you do cash prizes, sure. That, that makes it more incentivized, but,
00:38:16
Cokeley Brothers
ah I don't know how much money team USA has to, to dish out. I really don't know. I don't know what that looks like.
00:38:25
Problem Solver
Well, there's an easy way for them to keep making more money.
00:38:29
Reese
ah
00:38:31
Problem Solver
Have more premier events. Put more butts in the seats.
00:38:34
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:38:37
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:38:40
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:38:40
Problem Solver
You can put more butts in the seats by having all your weight classes at World Team Trials.
00:38:46
Cokeley Brothers
I think, so here's the thing. Here's the thing with World Team Trials.
00:38:49
Reese
I do think ah butts in the seats is – You know, butts in the seats, that's a touchy thing.
00:38:49
Cokeley Brothers
I feel like it's not going to be a big event.
00:38:50
Problem Solver
Sammy, I don't know why you're fighting this so hard right now. Just accept it.
00:38:56
Cokeley Brothers
I don't have to.
00:39:05
Reese
That's a touchy term there when it comes to these tournaments.
00:39:11
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, it's never been easy. It's never really been successful. ah Outside of like Final X and like...
00:39:17
Problem Solver
Well, and that's the other thing, too. Don't have them in dumb places like Louisville, Kentucky.
00:39:22
Reese
Yeah. What are the logic?
00:39:22
Cokeley Brothers
I think they were they were probably struggling to find a host.
00:39:26
Reese
Yeah.
00:39:27
Cokeley Brothers
Genuinely.
00:39:27
Reese
That seems like the issue normally is a venue.
00:39:29
Problem Solver
I mean, it would be it would be... It would make more sense to have it in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
00:39:29
Cokeley Brothers
Genuinely.
00:39:34
Cokeley Brothers
Texas.
00:39:37
Cokeley Brothers
Tulsa, Oklahoma.
00:39:39
Problem Solver
Coralville, Iowa.
00:39:40
Cokeley Brothers
Coralville, Iowa.
00:39:42
Problem Solver
Or...
00:39:43
Cokeley Brothers
But no, they're putting it.
00:39:43
Problem Solver
um
00:39:43
Cokeley Brothers
How far away how far away am I from Louisville?
00:39:46
Reese
When we think about the trials, the Olympic trials, like it was not very full.
00:39:53
Reese
In 2016.
00:39:55
Problem Solver
What?
00:39:56
Reese
And like, why is it? I don't remember it being very full.
00:39:56
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:39:58
Problem Solver
for finals ah For finals, it was packed, dude. It was sold out for, and not maybe not sold out, but it was packed for the finals, dude.
00:40:01
Reese
I
00:40:08
Cokeley Brothers
so Louisville is far away.
00:40:09
Problem Solver
and just remember how I just remember how crazy, dude, third match three for Jaden Cox and Kyle Dake, no one left.
00:40:10
Cokeley Brothers
Oh.
00:40:13
Reese
um remember our case there was nobody around.
00:40:16
Problem Solver
Everyone stayed for third match match three of Kyle Dake, Jaden Cox.
00:40:20
Cokeley Brothers
Were you guys at the trials?
00:40:20
Problem Solver
And it was still, yeah. Were you not?
00:40:24
Cokeley Brothers
Damn, no.
00:40:24
Reese
Now, where were you?
00:40:26
Problem Solver
Where were you?
00:40:26
Reese
Probably in school.
00:40:27
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know and when, when,
00:40:27
Problem Solver
2016 high school. You were probably, yeah, you were doing school stuff.
00:40:31
Cokeley Brothers
well, when was it April?
00:40:33
Reese
Yep.
00:40:33
Problem Solver
Yeah.
00:40:35
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, you guys are watching Jesse. Frickin heck man.
00:40:37
Problem Solver
Yeah.
00:40:38
Reese
Yeah, it was pretty epic.
00:40:41
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah, I must've been busy with wrestling.
00:40:41
Reese
It was like the best trials ever.
00:40:43
Problem Solver
Man, you weren't there, Sammy. I could have swore you were.
00:40:46
Reese
He was not there.
00:40:47
Cokeley Brothers
Was not there.
00:40:49
Reese
He wasn't in the picture.
00:40:49
Problem Solver
i guess he wasn't because he wasn't in the picture. Yep. I was just about to say the picture where you're wearing the hoodie that I want so bad.
00:40:56
Reese
Yeah, gone.
00:40:58
Problem Solver
John forever.
00:40:58
Cokeley Brothers
ah No, but butts in seats is definitely a problem in the sport ah from top to bottom.
00:41:05
Problem Solver
Omaha, Nebraska.
00:41:08
Cokeley Brothers
Omaha Nebraska would do it.
00:41:08
Reese
What?
00:41:09
Cokeley Brothers
Now here, there might be one name that if you go there without it, might not go so well.
00:41:18
Reese
what
00:41:19
Problem Solver
Join Burrows.
00:41:19
Cokeley Brothers
Jordan Burroughs.
00:41:21
Cokeley Brothers
Who, ah Chance Marstyler posted a video of him training with Burroughs. Quickly, quickly, quickly for to the side. what are What chance do you give that Jordan Burroughs shows up at trials?
00:41:35
Reese
What chance Marcellor?
00:41:36
Cokeley Brothers
No, no. What percentage possibility?
00:41:40
Problem Solver
Shows up and wrestles.
00:41:42
Cokeley Brothers
And he competes, and competes.
00:41:47
Reese
Five.
00:41:51
Reese
that high?
00:41:52
Problem Solver
Out of 10? 5 out 5, 100?
00:41:54
Cokeley Brothers
Percent.
00:41:55
Problem Solver
I don't know. 50. 50.
00:41:56
Reese
Five out of five, dude.
00:41:58
Problem Solver
five out of five one hundred
00:41:59
Reese
Five stars. I give him five.
00:42:01
Problem Solver
um
00:42:01
Reese
star I give him five stars.
00:42:01
Cokeley Brothers
I'll give him a 20% chance.
00:42:06
Problem Solver
and um yeah da
00:42:10
Reese
50% chance.
00:42:10
Cokeley Brothers
50.
00:42:11
Problem Solver
Fede.
00:42:11
Cokeley Brothers
That's crazy.
00:42:12
Reese
We got the whole spectrum, 5, 20, and 50.
00:42:12
Cokeley Brothers
Flip of a coin.
00:42:13
Problem Solver
Ding.
00:42:14
Reese
there part
00:42:17
Problem Solver
Fede.
00:42:19
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I don't, dude, I don't know. I would love to talk to somebody at USA wrestling and and ask them like, Hey, like what is the, what is the full reason for why you do things the way you're doing them? And, and like, Do you have plans to change it and improve it?
00:42:30
Cokeley Brothers
And what way do you think it could be better?
00:42:33
Reese
is there's not there' they're not a part of you that just...
00:42:34
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think.
00:42:36
Reese
feels like, you know, when you feel like we have these conversations, you don't feel like in the back of your mind, you're like, they've already talked about all this stuff. And like, we looked, look like idiots because we're
00:42:45
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, other people? Dude. All right. Here's the thing. Well, no, no, no are you talking about like just anybody? Are you talking about the people USA wrestling?
00:42:52
Reese
people at USA wrestling.
00:42:53
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, the people USA wrestling, if they're not having conversations about how to do this and how to do it the right way, then they're not doing their job.
00:42:59
Reese
Right. That's my point. Like, you know,
00:43:01
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:43:01
Problem Solver
Are they doing their jobs?
00:43:01
Cokeley Brothers
But ah that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that we can't have, have a conversation about it.
00:43:04
Reese
we can't try.
00:43:05
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, we talk about, we talk about lineups. You think we, you think we shouldn't talk about land us
Vertical Pairings in Competitions
00:43:10
Cokeley Brothers
because Oklahoma state has figured their lineup out for the next 10 years.
00:43:13
Reese
These are two different things, but yeah.
00:43:15
Cokeley Brothers
Are they it's, but it's both, it's two groups of people doing their jobs.
00:43:16
Reese
Yeah.
00:43:21
Reese
No.
00:43:23
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:43:24
Reese
No, because not even those guys really know what their lineup is.
00:43:27
Cokeley Brothers
No, sure, sure. But they've obviously put a lot more thought into it and have a lot more influence over what the lineup looks like as opposed to what we do.
00:43:34
Reese
Yeah. We're a lot closer on the lineup stuff, I feel like. and we we don't you My point is is we don't know all the the details.
00:43:42
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, yeah. And like, it's not really, we don't run events.
00:43:47
Reese
Yes, exactly.
00:43:47
Cokeley Brothers
We don't. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get you.
00:43:53
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I'm still interested to see like
00:43:54
Reese
Oh, yeah.
00:43:56
Cokeley Brothers
because it's development for the sport and I want to know. I want to know.
00:44:00
Reese
Yeah, I want to go.
00:44:01
Cokeley Brothers
I also want to know I want to know what you guys' thoughts on USA bracketing was.
00:44:01
Reese
too
00:44:05
Cokeley Brothers
How you, I mean, you had the fan experience of it.
00:44:06
Reese
I liked it.
00:44:06
Problem Solver
Yeah, I like it.
00:44:07
Reese
You didn't hear you didn't listen to the podcast.
00:44:10
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, briefly, but God, I can't have an actual honest to God conversation with you about it.
00:44:15
Reese
I'm just saying we talked.
00:44:16
Problem Solver
Well, but you didn't listen to ah our episode.
00:44:17
Cokeley Brothers
Shoot.
00:44:21
Cokeley Brothers
Ryan, here's the problem.
00:44:22
Problem Solver
I want to know how our episode is doing on the numbers.
00:44:24
Cokeley Brothers
All right, no, no,
00:44:25
Reese
Yeah, what's our number?
00:44:25
Cokeley Brothers
It's doing great. It's doing great. The numbers are great. The numbers are great. They're fantastic.
00:44:28
Reese
That's not a number.
00:44:29
Problem Solver
How great. How great, though.
00:44:32
Cokeley Brothers
We can talk numbers later. Let me let me explain something to you.
00:44:33
Problem Solver
No, tell me. now I want to talk. I want to talk them now.
00:44:36
Reese
It's tacky.
00:44:37
Cokeley Brothers
No, no, I'm going to tell you something right now. Okay? Because i try I tried to get off the episode as fast as possible because after the first couple of minutes, I didn't know what to expect.
00:44:40
Problem Solver
Did we do too good of a job, Sammy?
00:44:50
Cokeley Brothers
Because I was in the car listening with somebody.
00:44:50
Reese
What?
00:44:52
Problem Solver
So we did our job.
00:44:52
Reese
Oh.
00:44:57
Problem Solver
So we did our job
00:45:02
Cokeley Brothers
You guys are great. no I mean, you did some people like the conspiracy talk. I heard it was an alien hour for the ages.
00:45:08
Reese
ah many How many people?
00:45:11
Problem Solver
Sammy, I'm pissed. I'm pissed that you haven't listened to it, Sammy.
00:45:13
Reese
You know what? i'm just gonna I'm just going to say this right now. ah Calling it Alien Hour is extremely insulting.
00:45:19
Problem Solver
Yeah, don't ever call it that ever again.
00:45:21
Reese
yeah Kyle Brackey knows dick about aliens and conspiracies.
00:45:30
Problem Solver
You heard him, Sammy. Wiener.
00:45:35
Cokeley Brothers
I like Kyle Bratkey.
00:45:37
Reese
I like Kyle Brackey too. But you know what really, was really disappointing to me was when he, he was going to talk about a real actual conspiracy.
00:45:38
Problem Solver
like him a lot more now that he's gone.
00:45:39
Cokeley Brothers
He was so, he was, he was very passionate.
00:45:47
Reese
And then he was like, then he, he reneged and said, Oh, this dude's actually a fraud. And I was just like, dude, there's a, well, you know, that's a controversial, it's about this dude named Dr.
00:45:53
Problem Solver
What conspiracy was it?
00:45:56
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:46:00
Reese
Sebi. If you look him up, you'll probably see people be like, first thing you'll see is like a con artist.
00:46:02
Problem Solver
Oh.
00:46:02
Cokeley Brothers
Who?
00:46:08
Reese
He had this,
00:46:08
Problem Solver
Yeah.
00:46:09
Reese
diet called the aal alkaloid alkaline diet.
00:46:12
Cokeley Brothers
Alfredo Bowman,
00:46:14
Reese
Yeah. You know, he had like, but he had like high profile clients.
00:46:15
Problem Solver
I've heard of
00:46:16
Cokeley Brothers
controversial Honduran herbalist.
00:46:18
Problem Solver
i've heard of this guy
00:46:20
Reese
And, you know, he, he treated people like Michael Jackson, know, some other people.
00:46:27
Reese
And in like the 70s whatever, and then he got sued. um And then
00:46:32
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, because he was practicing pseudoscience, Reese.
00:46:35
Reese
pseudoscience, bro.
00:46:36
Problem Solver
It's okay.
00:46:36
Reese
Pseudo medicine. They were like, you can't run it.
00:46:37
Problem Solver
What makes it pseudo?
00:46:38
Cokeley Brothers
had he He had many clients that were very famous, including Michael Jackson, Lisa Left Eye Lopez, and John Travolta.
00:46:38
Reese
You can't have ads.
00:46:50
Cokeley Brothers
feel they could have left one of those out.
00:46:52
Problem Solver
Why? Lisa left eye Lopez sounds like a peach.
00:46:58
Reese
Anyway, he yeah got he went to court um and they were like, you know, show us show us proof that you healed these things like diabetes and cancer and ah yeah, HIV.
00:47:10
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, HIV.
00:47:12
Reese
And you know what he did? He showed him.
00:47:14
Cokeley Brothers
You did it.
00:47:15
Reese
He did it. But they were still like, no, psych. You can't, ah you can't practice here in the States. And you also can't have ads anywhere in the States. So get the F out of here.
00:47:25
Problem Solver
Yeah, that's because he was costing, he was going to cost them money.
00:47:29
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, big pharma, Reese.
00:47:29
Reese
And Bradkey, Bradkey was like,
00:47:31
Cokeley Brothers
Can't play with them.
00:47:34
Reese
Nah, I don't want to talk about this. Too scary.
00:47:37
Problem Solver
That's because he knew his boss would shut him down.
00:47:40
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, because he's in deep of the pockets at Big Pharma.
00:47:40
Reese
You know, got no balls.
00:47:41
Problem Solver
And YouTube.
00:47:45
Reese
He's not an entrepreneur like me.
00:47:49
Cokeley Brothers
Is that... Okay.
00:47:51
Problem Solver
Entrepreneur.
00:47:51
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:47:54
Problem Solver
like entra More like more like entre-newer, manure.
00:47:55
Cokeley Brothers
It's a new one. I haven't heard that one.
Home Maintenance and Closing Banter
00:48:03
Reese
Ma newer.
00:48:04
Cokeley Brothers
Booty. Boo.
00:48:05
Problem Solver
I just, I just minigunned this person.
00:48:05
Reese
You know, it's not so bad of a word when you think about it.
00:48:05
Cokeley Brothers
Boo.
00:48:08
Reese
You got a ma and then a newer.
00:48:15
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:48:15
Reese
That's a sign for a bit.
00:48:17
Problem Solver
Everyone say hello to Carly.
00:48:20
Cokeley Brothers
Hi, Carly.
00:48:20
Reese
Carly. All right, well, is that it?
00:48:30
Cokeley Brothers
I'm pretty tired. I don't know about you. Dude,
00:48:33
Reese
Yeah, I gotta eat.
00:48:37
Cokeley Brothers
we got to work on that with you.
00:48:39
Reese
know, it's been bad. I spent like all, I mean, I spent my like my whole whole afternoon cleaning though.
00:48:42
Cokeley Brothers
We work on that.
00:48:46
Reese
I was doing, I was being a good boy. Went to the grocery store, cleaned
00:48:48
Cokeley Brothers
Being a good boy. Cleaning the house.
00:48:52
Cokeley Brothers
Wrap down the baseboards, Reese.
00:48:54
Reese
the baseboards.
00:48:54
Problem Solver
Good boy.
00:48:56
Cokeley Brothers
The baseboards.
00:48:58
Problem Solver
Good boy.
00:48:58
Cokeley Brothers
You know, those that strip along the wall where it meets the floor.
00:49:03
Reese
Dude, the tile, I don't know what you're talking about, but the tile downstairs is shifting and cracking.
00:49:11
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, like...
00:49:13
Reese
Yeah, there are parts like by the, by the, uh, one of those support beams, ballasts, wherever they are.
00:49:22
Problem Solver
The earth, the earth, the earth moves Reese.
00:49:22
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:49:22
Reese
It's like, it's created like a, yeah, but I just, you know, it's interesting that it's happening now.
00:49:31
Problem Solver
I mean,
00:49:31
Reese
House has been there for a while.
00:49:35
Problem Solver
yeah, but the time I mean, yeah.
00:49:35
Cokeley Brothers
Over time.
00:49:36
Reese
you know You know what it is? Because there's freaking leaks in the roof.
00:49:39
Cokeley Brothers
The lizard people.
00:49:41
Problem Solver
It's, it's, it's a
00:49:43
Reese
No, not lizard people, just leaks in the roof.
00:49:43
Cokeley Brothers
What?
00:49:45
Reese
Just plain and simple leaks in the roof.
00:49:46
Cokeley Brothers
What?
00:49:48
Cokeley Brothers
Leaks in the roof cause cracks in the basement tile?
00:49:49
Reese
that
00:49:51
Problem Solver
So the water is getting into the foundation and coming down and causing cracks.
00:49:51
Reese
Sammy. Yeah. don't you yeah why don't you just stop making yourself look dumb right now?
00:49:56
Cokeley Brothers
What?
00:50:01
Cokeley Brothers
No, i I'll be as dumb as I need to be to understand this. Help me.
00:50:05
Reese
It's running down the it's yeah running down the walls, the drywall, the foundation and into the ground and causing the ground to shift.
00:50:10
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:50:12
Cokeley Brothers
Doesn't the ground get wet?
00:50:14
Problem Solver
So the ground gets wet, then it freezes.
00:50:15
Reese
No, there's a concrete creek foundation.
00:50:18
Problem Solver
it freezes So the water gets under there, then it freezes during the winter time and it causes stuff to crack and
00:50:26
Problem Solver
Sammy, this is this is how stuff 101.
00:50:27
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going to believe you guys on this.
00:50:29
Reese
Well, it's happening, so how.
00:50:29
Cokeley Brothers
What?
00:50:32
Cokeley Brothers
Well, like ah my thing is the foundations in the dirt and when it rains, dirt, get wet.
00:50:38
Problem Solver
I mean, I'll show you, dude, I'll show you
00:50:38
Reese
The foundation, it's not on dirt. It has a concrete um concrete dude.
00:50:43
Problem Solver
Yeah, and I'll show you like in concrete cracks over time to say mean when it gets wet, like I'll show you cracks in my concrete over here.
00:50:50
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. I'm not, hang on. You guys are getting angry.
00:50:54
Problem Solver
Or.
00:50:54
Cokeley Brothers
I'm not debating you.
00:50:55
Reese
No, I'm just i'm just shocked.
00:50:56
Problem Solver
It feels like you are.
00:50:57
Reese
or I feel like you're playing dumb too.
00:50:59
Cokeley Brothers
No. Nope. Swear to God I'm not.
00:51:01
Reese
Okay, well then I'm just shocked that you think, did you think that it's just on dirt?
00:51:02
Cokeley Brothers
I'm trying to be as...
00:51:08
Cokeley Brothers
Well, yeah, there's a concrete slab that that's what the house is on.
00:51:09
Reese
the house with on dirt.
00:51:10
Cokeley Brothers
I get that. But isn't that the thing that's cracking?
00:51:12
Problem Solver
hmm.
00:51:13
Cokeley Brothers
Is the foundation?
00:51:15
Reese
Right.
00:51:16
Problem Solver
Yes.
00:51:16
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:51:17
Problem Solver
Because of water.
00:51:17
Cokeley Brothers
And the foundation, which is a concrete... I know.
00:51:19
Problem Solver
Because of water trickling down from the roof, because the roof needs to be re shingled.
00:51:19
Cokeley Brothers
hey Can Let me... let me
00:51:23
Reese
Yeah, but okay, I see what you're saying. You're saying there it's that water has always been running, but the what it's a lot harder for water to get that far underneath the house without I mean, it's a lot easier for it to get underneath the house if it's just going
00:51:28
Cokeley Brothers
The water's always there.
00:51:32
Cokeley Brothers
Like into the middle.
00:51:38
Reese
If it's just in the house and it's running.
00:51:39
Cokeley Brothers
Straight down into it.
00:51:40
Reese
Yeah.
00:51:41
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Well, that means you got to get up in the roof, Reese.
00:51:45
Reese
You have me, I gotta, I gotta patch the roof up.
00:51:47
Cokeley Brothers
Reese the roofer. You're going to go fix the roof and then you're going to go sign up for the US Open.
00:51:52
Reese
Well, why not? I don't see why, why I wouldn't do that.
00:51:56
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going to go sign up for the US Open next year in Masters. I'm going to go win a Masters title and get my stop sign.
00:52:00
Reese
Nothing's beat up on some old dudes.
00:52:03
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:52:04
Reese
I think you have to be, know, have to be a certain its veterans.
00:52:05
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:52:07
Cokeley Brothers
It's like 20 to 30 is how old I have to be.
00:52:07
Problem Solver
No, mass. Yeah, there's different, there's different categories, categories of masters.
00:52:13
Cokeley Brothers
like 25 30. Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:52:14
Reese
ah there's different age groups.
00:52:16
Problem Solver
Yeah. And it's each category is based on your age.
00:52:21
Reese
Are you really going to do that?
00:52:23
Cokeley Brothers
I saw that they get stop signs and so I want a stop sign. this is my but This is my way in.
00:52:27
Problem Solver
It's
00:52:28
Cokeley Brothers
This is how I win, Reese.
00:52:29
Reese
You've got to stop sign.
00:52:31
Cokeley Brothers
No, I don't.
00:52:32
Problem Solver
a small one.
00:52:33
Cokeley Brothers
I have a coaster.
00:52:37
Problem Solver
Sammy has a coaster.
00:52:37
Cokeley Brothers
Fourth place gets...
00:52:38
Problem Solver
I have a mini one.
00:52:42
Problem Solver
Or a small one. Sammy has a mini one. None of us have the big one.
00:52:47
Cokeley Brothers
yeah never i thought you won it.
00:52:50
Problem Solver
One what?
00:52:51
Reese
and Didn't you win it?
00:52:51
Cokeley Brothers
Fargo.
00:52:52
Reese
Didn't you beat that guy that you lost to?
00:52:53
Problem Solver
I never won Fargo, Sammy. What?
00:52:55
Cokeley Brothers
I thought you won Fargo, dude.
00:52:57
Problem Solver
I took second in freestyle and third in Greco.
00:53:01
Reese
Show us how much he cares.
00:53:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I thought you took...
00:53:04
Problem Solver
He cared, Reese.
00:53:05
Cokeley Brothers
Swear to God. I thought you took... Dude, I was in the i was in the crowd filming. I was number one fan.
00:53:10
Problem Solver
Yeah, I know you were.
00:53:11
Reese
Yeah, I wasn't even there.
00:53:13
Problem Solver
Sammy was hurt for me.
00:53:13
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:53:13
Reese
But i still know it I still know what happened.
00:53:15
Problem Solver
And I appreciate that, Sammy.
00:53:16
Reese
Three losses. Three losses and he still made the finals.
00:53:23
Problem Solver
Sammy and I were talking about a different year, but yes, that also happened.
00:53:27
Reese
Oh, what year were you talking about?
00:53:28
Problem Solver
Two losses made the finals, three losses to take second.
00:53:31
Reese
oh right, right. Yeah.
00:53:33
Cokeley Brothers
i
00:53:33
Reese
Three losses total, second place.
00:53:35
Problem Solver
yeah you have to look at the bracket so all right i'm gonna go ahead and i'm gonna go ahead and explain this to our
00:53:36
Cokeley Brothers
ah i lost ah lost twice and took
00:53:45
Problem Solver
viewers you know so when i wrestled at fargo and when reese wrestled at fargo they had what's called vertical pairings okay not line brackets now vertical pairings in my opinion are trash okay
00:53:45
Reese
The youngins.
00:54:04
Cokeley Brothers
True.
00:54:06
Problem Solver
so it's basically like a round robin but double elimination if you lose you're out of the round robin so you just keep wrestling guys that are in in your pool two pools of however many you should keep wrestling until they're down to the last four guys right so i there was so well there was there was but kind but kind of it was it's hard to explain anyway um
00:54:21
Cokeley Brothers
Which is crazy.
00:54:23
Reese
No separation, no separation criteria either. no there was.
00:54:35
Reese
I bet it is.
00:54:36
Problem Solver
So I got I get beat I'm winning this match and am I do this is went back when you had to win two out of three periods all right, so I wrestling this kid from my I can't Washington Oregon.
00:54:47
Problem Solver
I don't know somewhere somewhere out west and I smoke him in the first period I'm beating him in the second period pretty good and he had locks me pins me So I lose that was my first loss that dude gets eliminated from the bracket and I win
00:55:00
Reese
hello
00:55:03
Cokeley Brothers
That freaking liberal.
00:55:06
Problem Solver
I win my my next match, my next two matches, I think. My next one or two matches, I win. And that brings us down to the last three guys that were in our pool. So when they did that,
00:55:20
Problem Solver
They moved us basically into a group of three. right. So my loss in this group of three, my my previous loss didn't matter anymore, essentially.
00:55:31
Problem Solver
All right. So I pinned this kid from Florida. The Florida kid um beats this New York kid.
00:55:38
Reese
Because
00:55:39
Problem Solver
And then the New York kid beats me. right. In three periods.
00:55:42
Reese
it was all on point, right? Like, that
00:55:44
Problem Solver
Yes, so so since it was a three-way tie between the three of us. Since I had a pin, I had more criteria points than the other two guys, so I made the finals, and then I got beat.
00:55:52
Cokeley Brothers
Hell yeah.
00:55:55
Cokeley Brothers
That's why we have the electoral college.
00:55:58
Reese
but makes sense.
00:55:58
Problem Solver
Essentially. and And I got beat by a kid from New Mexico with, drumroll please, Nichols' dad in the corner.
00:56:06
Reese
Oh.
00:56:08
Problem Solver
Joel Jason.
00:56:08
Cokeley Brothers
See, this is why we don't like that guy.
00:56:10
Reese
i lost I lost to...
00:56:10
Problem Solver
Old Jason Nickel.
00:56:11
Problem Solver
No, actually, that that was that was the beginning of a beautiful friendship between Dad and Jason Nickel.
00:56:12
Reese
Oh,
00:56:16
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:56:16
Reese
ah really?
00:56:17
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, they can be friends.
00:56:19
Problem Solver
That was literally the start of it, yeah.
00:56:21
Cokeley Brothers
Yep, but we don't we don't like him.
00:56:26
Reese
The last time I shook Jason Nichols' hand after a wrestling match, I got the W.
00:56:26
Problem Solver
So...
00:56:27
Cokeley Brothers
We love him.
00:56:32
Reese
But about three or four times before that, I had lost. It's Texas.
00:56:35
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if I ever got coached against by him.
00:56:39
Reese
We wrestled Texas a lot with a junior duels.
00:56:42
Problem Solver
He coached me at the Oklahoma Open one year, too, my junior year.
00:56:43
Reese
um my
00:56:46
Problem Solver
He was in my corner, and so was this other dude from Iowa's dad.
00:56:46
Reese
You probably didn't wrestle Sammy because.
00:56:51
Problem Solver
I can't remember his name now. Dad would remember, but...
00:56:54
Cokeley Brothers
Christensen.
00:56:55
Problem Solver
Nope. His son...
00:57:00
Problem Solver
Hathaway? Jack Hathaway?
00:57:02
Problem Solver
I think he wrestled at Oregon State.
00:57:02
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm.
00:57:03
Cokeley Brothers
That sounds familiar.
00:57:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:57:06
Reese
Jenna Cathaway did Iowa City West boy.
00:57:07
Problem Solver
Jamie, look that up for me, would you?
00:57:09
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And, and Anne Hathaway.
00:57:13
Reese
about to get the cat, Anne Hathaway.
00:57:15
Cokeley Brothers
No. Okay. I want to go to bed.
00:57:21
Problem Solver
Shoot I'm lagging.
00:57:22
Cokeley Brothers
And Ryan wants to get the dub.
00:57:23
Problem Solver
I'm lagging. I'm lagging. No, I lagged. I have no i have bad internet bad in here. I lagged bad Table game
00:57:28
Cokeley Brothers
Hey, if you're still listening to the podcast, tell everybody about it and go play Gable Game.
00:57:29
Reese
like that
00:57:32
Cokeley Brothers
Go do all the things for me. Do things for me.
00:57:34
Reese
I was a gable game champ today.
00:57:37
Cokeley Brothers
Shut up.
00:57:38
Reese
and so everybody knows. And I didn't do it. i didn't even have look anything Legitimately.
00:57:40
Problem Solver
Legitimately this time What about what about yesterday, Reese?
00:57:42
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but whatever.
00:57:42
Reese
Legitimately.
00:57:43
Cokeley Brothers
You're freaking cheater.
00:57:45
Reese
right you didn't even explain and You didn't even explain yourself when you said Kirk is a crazy pick. Why is that a crazy first pick?
00:57:50
Cokeley Brothers
Because, okay, it's crazy. To pick somebody who's not in one of the middle two weight classes doesn't really make a lot of sense.
00:57:55
Reese
oh Oh, yeah. That was crazy.
00:57:57
Problem Solver
I pick Carter Starachi every time.
00:57:57
Reese
But here's what here's what happened. I went to GableGame.com and right in my brain, the first thing that popped in my brain was heavyweight.
00:58:07
Reese
So that's how I usually do it.
00:58:10
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, congratulations.
00:58:11
Reese
That's how I do it.
00:58:11
Problem Solver
Reese, hey, Reese, listen, there is no right or wrong way to play the game.
00:58:12
Reese
That's how you win. Intuitively.
00:58:17
Problem Solver
So don't listen to Sammy.
00:58:18
Reese
No, the right way is to listen to your gut.
00:58:18
Cokeley Brothers
Mathematically, there's a right way.
00:58:22
Problem Solver
What about the day before that, though? Reese, did you play that one?
00:58:25
Reese
I didn't play that one, actually. I didn't get the i didn't i was shocked by your Bronigal, what you said with your Bronigal.
00:58:28
Problem Solver
Then you forfeit.
00:58:29
Cokeley Brothers
You lost your streak.
00:58:31
Problem Solver
I won that one. Dude, so I get them confused. I do it all the time.
00:58:34
Cokeley Brothers
I never do.
00:58:35
Reese
Yeah.
00:58:35
Problem Solver
I always do.
00:58:36
Cokeley Brothers
Never do. Never will.
00:58:37
Problem Solver
but Sammy, you know what, Sammy? You shouldn't, because you wrestled one of them.
00:58:41
Reese
Yeah.
00:58:43
Cokeley Brothers
Whatever.
00:58:43
Problem Solver
All right.
00:58:43
Reese
I don't either, though. I mean, I feel like it's pretty, at this point,
00:58:45
Problem Solver
I do. I do. I do. I'm sorry. I just do.
00:58:49
Reese
They're like three weight classes apart.
00:58:52
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:58:53
Problem Solver
It doesn't matter. They're D and Z Bronicle.
00:58:56
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. D and Z. And don't forget it about the J.
00:58:58
Problem Solver
ones One's at 65 and one's at 97. Shit, see?
00:59:01
Reese
Don't forget about Jay and Z.
00:59:02
Cokeley Brothers
Once it's 74, you...
00:59:04
Problem Solver
shit see
00:59:09
Cokeley Brothers
All right, everybody.
00:59:11
Problem Solver
He said three weight classes apart.
00:59:11
Cokeley Brothers
Have a good rest of your time.
00:59:12
Problem Solver
That's why I was confused.
00:59:16
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:59:17
Problem Solver
It's two.
00:59:17
Cokeley Brothers
And that's a show. Have a good one. Goodbye.