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The Manipulation of History w/ Andrew Rouse
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Andy Rouse is a researcher and host of The Deep Share podcast. His areas of research are broad, covering the manipulation of history, the study of consciousness, folklore & mythology, and more. Andy is a deep thinker and I really resonate with him, so I'm looking forward to having him back on to dig deeper into some of the topics we touched on this episode.
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Transcript
Introduction to Andy Rouse's Journey
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome back to the Connecting Minds podcast. Today our guest is Andy Rouse from the Deep Share podcast. Andy, thank you so much for joining us today, brother. Thanks, man. Glad to be here. Appreciate it. Yeah, man. I think it's going to be a very interesting conversation. Can you tell the listeners a little bit about what is your podcast about? How did you get into all of this stuff?
00:00:23
Speaker
So since I was like 18 or 19 years old, I've been researching the brain consciousness.
00:00:36
Speaker
religion, spirituality of all kinds, history, things like that. And so, you know, right around, I would say 2015, maybe 2016, I started to get turned on to all these conspiracy podcasts. I was like, Oh my God.
00:00:55
Speaker
My people, I found them. They're in podcasts. Okay, cool. And so after a couple years of listening and eventually just kind of screaming,
00:01:07
Speaker
at them and stuff without them being able to hear me, I decided to start my own show and see where it went. And I just happened to talk to certain individuals at the right time and man, it's been like two years now or maybe more and I've got some really great friends and there's a lot of amazing people in this community. And yeah, it just keeps getting better and better it seems.
What is the Tartaria Conspiracy Theory?
00:01:35
Speaker
Yeah, so one of the things I know you were able to talk at length is the manipulation of history. So if you wouldn't mind, there's a topic that I have quite an interest in. I even have a couple of books on it, but I just have not had time over the last couple of years to dig into it. So I know it's kind of a bit en vogue. I don't want to be banal, but let's talk a little bit about Tartaria, bro. What do you say?
00:02:04
Speaker
I actually surprisingly don't know that much about Tartaria. I could give you like a vague conspiracy theory overview of it, but I don't know really the ins and outs. I have a couple of colleagues that have really looked into it and are connecting it to the older time periods that I look into. Okay. But for just like a general gloss over Tartaria is, um,
00:02:34
Speaker
Well it's it's kind of funny there's a couple ways to talk about i would say first of all it's the story of hidden history it's a lost civilization in a way but kind of not because they were among us the whole time and old maps and old books talk about the tartars and it's a place near
00:02:55
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like the East or Russia or somewhere there. But then the this is the second way to talk about it, where it to me, it seems like kind of gaslighting or gatekeeping in a way where there's tons of hidden history. But Tartaria is a way to kind of corner or corral and go look at this and lump everything into this category because I was in a couple of Tartaria Facebook groups and I had to leave because
00:03:24
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The topics were never about analyzing actual history or archeology or linguistics or anything like that.
00:03:34
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how weird can we get and how much crazy, unconfirmed, unverified wildness can we add to this story? Not to shit on flat earth, pardon my language, but that's one angle and we just don't know. I'm not saying I know, but
00:03:55
Speaker
no one knows really. And so there's a lot of these little things that get thrown in giants and everything. And without unpacking those words, and I think linguistically is the most important part, but without unpacking them, we kind of
00:04:11
Speaker
plant our flags in different parts of this conspiracy map, this alternative history. That's the second thing, and I'm more focused on that area of history where it's like, okay, we have a lot of alternative ideas going on this day and age. The prominent ones being put out into popular culture being like Graham Hancock's take on things or Randall Carlson or the two of them.
00:04:37
Speaker
There's a number of different people you can point to in that arena, but to me, it is gatekeeping in a way. I don't know if it's intentional or not. I'm not trying to point any fingers, but it seems like it's a limited hangout situation. Okay. From your research, where can we say with a fairly high degree of certainty that
00:05:05
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The history has been manipulated. Can you give us some concrete examples?
Skepticism, History, and Spirituality
00:05:10
Speaker
Concrete examples, man. Like did Jesus Christ exist, for example? Oh, that's a really interesting one. That's still up for debate, in my opinion, because on one side you have like a brand of skepticism that is
00:05:27
Speaker
looking at religious writings and mythology and folklore as all bullshit or just all silly stories made by primitive people. And that's kind of where the main route of skepticism comes from. But then you have the other side, which takes it way too far the other direction, where it's just, I don't know, it goes into taking it way too literally.
00:05:55
Speaker
Um, I think it kind of lies somewhere in the middle there where there is a lot of history in our mythology, but there's a lot of spirituality written into it as well. And I think the two are kind of spun up in a way. I don't know if that really answers the question, but there's not, I mean, when it comes to concrete examples,
00:06:13
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Jesus is an interesting thing because we have so many references to similar deity-like figures all throughout in different areas. There's the whole connection to
00:06:29
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the Egyptian Osiris or Horus. And even within the same religious myths, we have this Jesus archetype. I wrote a paper in college about Lucifer being a prototype of the Jesus character, which definitely pissed some people off. He's a sun god.
00:06:48
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And so was Lucifer, and there's a lot of sun gods, there's a lot of sun worship, all the way back to ancient folklore and ancient mythology. It's always the sun. We've connected that to a lot of evil conspiracy stuff too, but I mean,
00:07:05
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We got to remember that it's not like some evil group that's coming up with this stuff. It's maybe perhaps an evil group or a nefarious group that likes to hijack what's naturally true, but not creating lies, you know? Right, right, right. So what's kind of your area of, would you say you're most well versed in?
00:07:26
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When it comes to history, I really like studying the ancient European and Germanic areas and the Scandinavian areas and all the folklore and mythology that comes out of those areas. It's pretty amazing. What spurred that interest for you towards those things?
00:07:45
Speaker
So I've always been really interested ever since, um, I was like, like I said, 18 or 19 when I started doing like psychedelics, that really blew my mind open because I was like an atheist when I was younger. I didn't, I kind of turning into a nihilist at that point. And then psychedelics, you know, took all of that away and left me with only questions and, um,
00:08:10
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You know, so when I ended up in the kind of conspiracy world, I've always been really fascinated by, by ancient history. Like, where does all this stuff come from? Like, what did our ancestors think about this stuff? Is psychedelics written about there? Uh, and then it's juxtaposed with the alien stuff too, the ancient alien thing. And I was really, really interested in ancient aliens for a long time.
00:08:33
Speaker
That's what got me interested in this because a friend of mine, Dan Dananaki, Dan, as he likes to call himself from rising from the ashes podcast. It's a great show. Check it out. But he's a brilliant researcher and he turned me on to what's called the box saga BOCK. And it's an entirely different cosmology and entirely different alternative history that we've than we've ever heard. But it's very intriguing and it led me to
00:09:02
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It was like all of a sudden a curtain had been pulled away from my eyes and I could see clearly for the first time that all these missing links and missing pieces that I kept fumbling around with with ancient aliens and everything.
00:09:17
Speaker
To me now, it looks as though it's all human history, strictly human history, and the ideas of fairies and angels and all these different aliens and everything. It's different perspective, it's different perceptions, but it's mostly about how we've
00:09:37
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kind of played a game of telephone with our language for the most part. And I've gone into all sorts of etymologies of Ireland and Scotland and England and Scandinavia. All these words that we use, we can root back to mean human things.
00:09:58
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And, you know, it's still up in the air. Of course, I don't have any full answers, but everyone's kind of looking into these different areas from their own perspectives, you know? And for me, it's like Occam's razor almost like, let's start with humanity and see if that's where we can keep it. Because I do believe that there's a beautiful spiritual experience inside every one of us that's waiting to happen.
00:10:21
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Um, but I also believe that there is some force out there, whether it be misunderstood by us in a million ways or something close to what we call it in religion, but it's a deceiver of some kind. It's some deceptive force and it may be just part of ourselves. I don't know, but it wants to hide some of this stuff, maybe just political gain or something over time. I don't know, but a lot of this is suppressed. So it's interesting to, to look into it.
00:10:50
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You know, this is something I've actually been thinking a little bit lately about is why
Reincarnation and Personal Spiritual Insights
00:10:59
Speaker
Why is so much stuff hidden from a human when you're born? Because I don't know how you feel about reincarnation, but I've often talked about that I believe in reincarnation. But some folks that are more into the Gnostic sort of paradigm that there's the demiurge and we are basically
00:11:22
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our souls are tricked to keep reincarnating to Earth so that our energy can be extracted. And their sort of proof for that is if this was, if Earth was a place to learn, why don't we remember our previous lives? And to that, I would personally, I've been thinking about it, I've never had a chance to
00:11:43
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bring those arguments up to those guys. I've actually wanted to interview a couple of them about it, but my personal take is, dude, I can't fucking remember what I had for breakfast yesterday. You want to remember a previous life. So that's one thing. The meaning of life is a passing thought.
00:12:01
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Like, I've experienced, quote unquote, the meaning of it all under eight grams of dried psilocybin. And it was a passing thought just as important and remembered as, oh yeah, I got to get milk on Tuesday. Like, literally, it's Terrence McKenna's example of waking up in the middle of the night and proclaiming, a song is a song. And it meant nothing the next day.
00:12:27
Speaker
It's something beyond the words. Sorry to interject. No, no, no. That's exactly it, man. I've actually also had like, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and I just realize we are enveloped in God's love. And I just like, thank you, God. Thank you. And then I just fall back asleep. Then the next morning I wake up and I remember I had this sort of profound
00:12:55
Speaker
Moment of bliss and like what the hell is that about just right? I just woke up in the middle. You know, was it a dream? What what was it about? But um, and what was so clear about it? God, it's like I you know, you remember I saw something so clearly in that moment and now I literally can't scratch at it and figure it out What was it and it doesn't matter just that memory of the impact?
00:13:15
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Yeah. So if you die, let's say you, um, oh, so actually here's the other sort of thing about it. If it with a human mind, it's very difficult to conceptualize much other than the workings of your own mind. You're mostly desires and, and you know, the egoic stuff. So how, who the fuck
00:13:39
Speaker
are we to so presumptuously assume we understand what God's plan is for us here, why we are born here. And for me, it's one of the biggest questions I'm grappling with. Why is there so much suffering that is coupled with the human experience?
00:13:58
Speaker
But then when you think about it, what is suffering to God is a little human, little puny human suffering because, oh, he didn't get the girl or the car that he wants. In the grand scheme of things, what is that? What's your thoughts on that? I think you definitely hit it on the head there.
00:14:21
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It's not necessarily like us looking at an ant like they don't matter I think it's that our perception is so far off from what reality is that we Like even just the idea of God and us
00:14:38
Speaker
This is offensive to some, but I think even that is a dualistic idea. I don't subscribe to what conspiracy theory usually calls Luciferian or Satanic. They use these terms arbitrarily. They don't know where the words come from.
00:15:00
Speaker
I'm not i don't subscribe to that idea that every human is running around we're all our own gods and we should be able to make our own morality as we see fit that is a very luciferian idea those thoughts and cults do exist and they're probably connected high up and it's it's a very ego maniac type of ideology.
00:15:17
Speaker
And I think that that is a well intentioned at first confused take on what we should get out of, you know, the experience we have with that transcendental interaction, because I think
00:15:32
Speaker
The whole thing is fractal. Everything is fractal. Everything is one. I think this Law of One idea permeates most ancient religions and mythologies when it comes to the spiritual aspect of it. It's about this oneness.
00:15:51
Speaker
I'm going a little over the place here, but the idea of separating ourselves from what we see around us is arbitrary and personal and it's identified with the body and the self.
00:16:08
Speaker
Really, I used to dig into Buddhism a lot. I really jagged with Buddhism, especially after psychedelics, just kind of rifling through my upbringing with Christianity and everything. Buddhism was just, it seemed like I was reading an instruction manual for consciousness rather than what I should do or shouldn't do or what is and what isn't.
00:16:29
Speaker
It was more like, this is what's going on in your head. This is what's happening out here in the world. And the cool part about Buddhism is the central thing that makes it Buddhism is the self is rejected too as an attachment, where Hinduism doesn't do that, Taoism doesn't do that. These other Eastern religions don't do that. But Buddhism is the outcast where there is no self either, that there is no beer, there's just being.
00:16:55
Speaker
It's to this verb, this being, this process. What that looks like after we die, I don't know if we've ever come into contact with a single clue, other than maybe near-death experiencers, like those guys. But when I take psychedelics and when someone meditates or all these different situations, perhaps even the near-death experience, not trying to step on toes here, but perhaps these experiences are only reflections of
00:17:23
Speaker
other levels of our physical approach to reality and the mental, the mind, the duality of it. I don't know if we've ever seen beyond this, but yeah, I'm all over the place here. Sorry.
Buddhism, Ego, and Consciousness
00:17:37
Speaker
No, no, it's a very super profound shit. That's why when you get it, I'm the same. I start thinking about one thing, then a bunch of other things because we're talking about- Yeah, it's a treat.
00:17:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's very deep stuff, but I love that I seem to connect with folks that we just philosophize like crazy. I love this shit. I also was really quite into Buddhism, like in my twenties. And one thing I'm trying to replay back in my head is I remember, I think I got this book on the teachings of Buddha. I was in a hotel in Singapore.
00:18:12
Speaker
And instead of Bibles there, you have the teachings of Buddha in the book. So I borrowed that for a lifetime, that little book, very cool book. One page was in English, one in Japanese, very cool books. I was like, definitely keep it nice. That's awesome.
00:18:29
Speaker
Yeah, so I think in there I read it that basically the way Buddha taught was that the ego itself, like what you said exactly, the ego itself is the illusion. So I think for most people it would be very difficult because you also cannot use only the intellectual mind. In fact, the intellectual mind will get in the way of coming to terms with the fact that
00:18:58
Speaker
That ego, that perception of yourself as you think it is, that is the illusion. That is a mirage that you are holding together.
00:19:07
Speaker
just with thought forms, you know? How do you reconcile that? I would take it a step further. I would take it a step further. So in the Russian doll fractal kind of perspective, when we have a transcendental experience of some kind, it doesn't have to be. Whatever creates this situation where we have a true ego death or what we like to call in the West, ego death.
00:19:35
Speaker
this idea of shedding all the illusions, we can literally come back into reality. We inevitably have to come back into the logical thinking mind, but we can do so knowing that these illusions are there and that we can take them more lightly. We can live our lives more lightly. But then in the next level up, that next scale in the fractal,
00:20:02
Speaker
Us being here as individuals to me is also ego and that will also be shed. When we're talking about shedding this actual mortal coil.
00:20:14
Speaker
So there's two different things, and I think this is a contentious topic when it comes to religious text, because I think there's a lot of Western religion that talks about enlightenment, not about post-mortem existence. And I don't know. Someone could correct me. How many times did they mention
00:20:33
Speaker
you know at the afterlife and in what context in Christianity Judaism I would like to to see what they're saying because it could very well be that you could easily see a metaphor right in your face and say well whoa whoa whoa whoa this is clearly talking about
00:20:48
Speaker
you know, becoming aware of oneself, not necessarily what's going to happen when you're not here anymore. Like you, you and me, these separations seem to be a product of the physical duality that exists, this multiplication of the one.
00:21:09
Speaker
Whereas if so that that's kind of my view on it where yeah in this life we individuals we reflect that greater scale so we can shed our egos individually in this life here together, but That greater ego is this physical world itself kind of in a way not that it's an illusion not that it's fake
00:21:31
Speaker
Because there's often this theme we run into in movies and books and all kinds of things where, you know, this place has to exist for the afterlife. It's like this kind of dualistic setup already. I don't know. It's a complex topic, but I do think there is an ego that we collectively shed after death and we realize that
00:21:52
Speaker
I don't, I don't know, man. I don't know. I have no idea what's going on, bro. Well, it's like consciousness is like a process. Like I was saying before, like there's a being there, it's being, but there is no beer. And I think here in this state, this physical dual state, it's almost like alchemy. We are producing this outcome, like a mathematical equation. And the physical world is like this
00:22:16
Speaker
the other side of the equal sign. We're here together in this moment collectively talking and everything, but what Buddhism talks about is what all there really is, is this void, this pregnant void. Pregnant because it's like a quantum superposition. All possibilities are there, but once the wave function has collapsed on into a particle,
00:22:43
Speaker
And like the double slit experiment, it becomes this, well, it is here or it is here. It is here. It is there. So to me, we are the collapsed wave function. We are the particle. We are the, yeah, this is what it would look like of the preliminary thought that is the pregnant void of everything.
00:23:06
Speaker
That went pretty deep. My head just exploded. I gotta go pick up my brain. I like you, bro. You're cool. Likewise, man. You can handle and put up with this crazy shit. Me and my wife, before we had our kid, we would go on these walks and we'd walk the dog and we'd start philosophizing and shit.
00:23:31
Speaker
So we just philosophize about all sorts of shit. And recently we're coming back from a walk and we started philosophizing about it. And I just remembered, we don't do this anymore. What happened to us? You know, we became grownups, we got married, we had the kids, now we have all these responsibilities. And we don't have time to just walk, relax, and just philosophize about life and stuff. And, you know, this is
00:23:53
Speaker
Part of why I love doing this podcast so much because we can talk about serious things that most people that we are in our everyday life, we're just so busy with the minutia that we don't get to. I personally do sit, stop, and contemplate things. When I'm out with my dog, I listen to a lot of podcasts that stimulate this type of thinking, but I feel like
00:24:17
Speaker
This is badly needed in society now. Instead of being on our phones or watching YouTube videos, we need to be getting together. Because you literally are opening my mind right now. Someone listening to us, listening to us, they might have a profound
00:24:32
Speaker
even a moment of Satori, you never know. Just listening, something that prompted the egoic mind to maybe stop for a second, that the base conscious has just permeate out of that, like a flower coming out of the ground, you know? So, everything is cool.
00:24:49
Speaker
It's happened to me so many times listening to other podcasters. I feel like we're all floating in the same language soup and the same thought processes, at least once we're turned on. At least once the question is asked and we're looking. Once we're looking, we're all on the same side. I know that all of us have different perceptions of things and we all have different language we use.
00:25:14
Speaker
You know, I can dig all of it because it's kind of just different perspectives on the same thing that we're really getting at that we're really never going to be able to name when it comes to the phenomenon of consciousness and what we're doing here.
00:25:29
Speaker
Like I said before, it seems like even our deepest clues and hints come from the thinking mind, whether it's an open thinking mind under psychedelics or meditation, it's still pulling pulling something amazing out of the ether.
00:25:45
Speaker
filtering it back down into language. And then our egoic personality brings it forward to other people. And then sometimes we build churches and pyramids. But sometimes we just talk about it, you know, one way or the other. We're never going to be able to name it. I remember having that revelation on psychedelics often. It was always, everything is metaphor. Everything is simile.
00:26:09
Speaker
But you can never just say what it is. What is it? There is no name for it. It's just...
00:26:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What have you gone into researching the origins of civilization as a guy called Michael Tassarian?
Who is Michael Tassarian?
00:26:26
Speaker
I don't know if you've heard of him. He talks. Yeah. He talks about the that the origins of modern civilization come from Ireland. Have you ever looked into that stuff? I absolutely have. And I don't agree with him at all, but I absolutely agree with the points he makes about Ireland.
00:26:44
Speaker
Like, his work on Ireland is incredible. I like a lot of it. But I think he covers the Tuada De Dannan quite often. Basically, the origin of the Druids, the origin of the fairies, the elves, all these words that we have in Irish folklore, that's them. They showed up on the shores of Ireland in Ships of Light and all this. They were tall, white, blue-eyed, blonde hair, blah, blah, blah, red hair.
00:27:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's my area of expertise, if you could call it that anyway. I have no degrees, but obsessions, for sure. Yeah, that's my- What's your take? I personally, I love Michael Tesarion's work. Me too. I have all of his books. I have not read most of them yet.
00:27:30
Speaker
But I do have all of his and a lot of his other stuff. But I do disagree with some things for sure. I do think he does have a couple of blind spots, but everybody does. But what's your take as opposed to his regarding Ireland and its role sort of in the modern world or civilization?
00:27:51
Speaker
So I don't, I can't say that I know his theory specifically. I've definitely looked into a lot of his work over the years. I don't remember what his real theses are, but I generally know that he's talking about old Ireland, you know, the Gales, the Saxons, every, everybody in that area that was kind of getting together and mingling. Yeah.
00:28:10
Speaker
Um, but the thing is, uh, the, so this twada data non from Ireland, the ones that show up on the shores, they are supposedly the ones that basically create all of the folklore or, or, well, that all the folklore is about them and everything. Um, they come from the middle East.
00:28:33
Speaker
So the two other data non, when you trace them back in time, we see them in areas of Cynthia known as the two odd, uh, two odd a on new, the name changes a little bit, but all along this pathway, we see them naming different areas all after this, this Danu, but.
00:28:59
Speaker
The thing is, the Tribe of Dan is more closely related to the Twatha Daedenan than this goddess Danu. I actually think that is another thread altogether, I don't know.
00:29:11
Speaker
I've connected, and many other people have connected, this Tuada Daedenan to the Tuade Anu of Armenia and Scythia, this Middle Eastern area. And when you look into the Scythians and this group, this druidic group in the Middle East, it's all the same symbolism, the serpent symbolism. It's the same mythology of these are the keepers of magic and
00:29:39
Speaker
Yeah, this is a can of worms. This is interesting that you mentioned this, but we may not have time to get into all of it because I'm kind of trying to link a bunch of things that each take like 15 minutes to talk about. For the most part, yeah, as far as the origins go, I've traced it from Ireland's closer to us in time than this. We go back to
00:30:03
Speaker
the Tuade Anu in the Scythian area, and then I'm linking it directly to the Anu Naki of the Mesopotamian area. It lines up with a lot of interesting migrations that are happening
00:30:18
Speaker
over the course of a couple thousand years in that area. And while the Sumerian language itself is a linguistic isolate, which means that there's no languages at all that we can find that can be related to Sumerian, despite that fact, they are surrounded by these
00:30:41
Speaker
people, these migrating tribes coming down from the Caucasus, from the east, and they're migrating all into these areas later on after the Sumerians were already established. But I'm just looking into all of these different areas of the Basques. They're everywhere. In records of 5,000 BC, we're finding traces of these tall,
00:31:05
Speaker
light-skinned, green-eyed, blue-eyed, red-haired, blonde-haired people, nomadic tribes coming in. And the thing is, is that lost tribes of Israel ended up in the Caucasus. Like, that's already kind of established. Unless you're taking that as pure mythology, you're going to completely miss it. So that's why I was talking about that, like, primal form of skepticism that just writes it all off.
00:31:31
Speaker
as silliness and just follows whatever historic narrative is being passed on by academia. But there's much more to it. And I think that, yeah, this is a whole can of worms for sure. So were the Anunnaki, what were the Anunnaki? I personally, when a few years ago, when basically when we met with my wife, we would
00:31:54
Speaker
instead of watching bullshit netflix we would watch like document or what we thought were documentaries on youtube and we watch all these world war two documentaries and about the anunnaki and it was all the suggested things that we're like oh let's see this looks interesting so in hindsight i realized that was all
00:32:12
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bullshit, like propaganda, all the world wars, not all the world war two stuff, but a lot of the world war two stuff, it was probably embellished and there's certain narratives there and stuff like that. But this Anunnaki stuff, it seems like they're throwing you like, Oh, look, they drew a spaceship on this thing and the tool or whatever. So it was probably aliens. I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens. So what's your take on the Anunnaki and all this stuff?
00:32:36
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Okay, so to me, the Anunnaki, which means of princely blood or of royal blood or of the princely blood of An and Ki, which does not mean what Sitchin translated it to, which was from heaven to earth came or something like that. It's not what it means. And many linguists have proven him wrong over the years.
00:32:59
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They were human. In my opinion, these were the same people or something closely related to the same people that later on established Iran and India. And these people are still present in Northern Africa. We have these Caucasian people. We have Egyptian mummies with red hair. And the thing is, this line of thinking, so here's my thing. My angle was disprove ancient aliens
00:33:28
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bring it back home to human beings. What I accidentally have run into is this frigging bullshit Nazi stuff. And I wanted to say that because I'm sure people will think it. And I wanted to clarify that. Like I'm not trying to say anything to do with like, oh, the white race, blah, blah, blah, nothing like that. We're looking at what was going on back then. And as far as I can tell my argument against people that
00:33:54
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Before I say that, there are a number of anthropologists and archeologists that go down this path. I'm not one of them. I don't have any credentials, but I'm just saying they do and they are completely canceled. They are destroyed. They are evil. They are white supremacists. They are Nazis, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. My defense is that what I'm finding is that the high Germans, if you trace them back far enough, they are the Canaanites.
00:34:22
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The Israelites are both sides of that war and all the victims and the aggressors. It is all the same people far back in time. That is pretty contentious and we don't have conclusive evidence. I'm using
00:34:40
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70% evidence, which is DNA-based mostly, we're finding caucasoid DNA in Asia that makes sense for the Tokarians. We've already discovered there's pyramids there that for some reason have been just grasped over for generations.
00:34:57
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So it's all there. We have a lot of roadblocks because the thing is you can't talk about any alternative history that isn't verified by academia with these amazing historians that know it all like the back of their hands because they're going to reject any alternative theory anyway, whether it has value or not, because it's a waste of their time, honestly. Whether they're completely against it or not, it's an academic waste of their time.
00:35:23
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So these are hard walls to climb over to find out if some of us are running wild with theories or not. But that's what I'm trying to do. I'm just trying to spread the word far and wide and try to get more eyes on these areas. Because I think this area of political blockage is telling, but it's also scary because I'm not trying to come off like some
00:35:47
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trying to uncover the Nazi Aryan race or anything. I'm not trying to do that. I'm running into it on accident trying to disprove ancient aliens. But yeah, I don't know. It's a weird topic. Yeah, dude. I don't even know. Like, to be honest,
00:36:04
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I don't even know what can be trusted anymore of any of this history that we're told, like evolution, you know, the ancient Egyptians, that they built the pyramids, you know, because we have it's clear that so even in Ireland, there's pyramids, they have all these these mounds. And when you look at some guy on Michael Tesario's enslaved podcast with David White, they had one guy, an Irish guy that
00:36:33
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He basically, they could draw like a line between from, I forget, somewhere in Ireland, they had this mound and it basically crossed, this line basically crossed a bunch of different monuments, like in France, et cetera, all the way to the, I believe the Great Pyramid or the Pyramids of Greece. So whatever, whoever and whatever civilization built these things, they were clearly like,
00:37:03
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in various places around the world. So I don't know, and a lot of the stuff is hidden and they're clearly, so Tara, the hill in Ireland, I know when I was living in Ireland, they wanted to build a motorway, they wanted to destroy, so it looks like these, and in this case we could call them satanic sort of psychopaths that have no reverence for history and they want to completely paper over this stuff for their own agendas.
00:37:31
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It's clear that they're destroying a lot of heritage sites to cover up the real truth, and then we're fed this fabrication through schools. Yeah, I totally agree, man. The idea of them being everywhere, too, it's interesting because we look at the Phoenicians and
00:37:52
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Man, my boy Narco Longo from Old World, Florida on YouTube. Please everybody go check him out. He has done a lot of amazing work and he's connected the Phoenicians all the way down to Florida. It's crazy, man. They were everywhere and the Phoenicians are these people. They are the Scythians.
00:38:08
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They are these people, these Tuada Daedenan from Ireland. I don't know if you've heard this perspective before, but a number of people go on to podcasts talking about these angelic sailors or the sea people. Of course, oftentimes it's used more in a fantastical way.
00:38:31
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fish people and gods and sci-fi themes, but really we're talking about these seafaring nomadic tribes. As you look at Phoenician ships and Viking ships, they're the same exact thing, and they're separated by supposedly thousands of years of history. Bullshit.
00:38:51
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You know, it's unbelievable. I wish next time maybe we'll do a slideshow because slideshow is pretty amazing. You know, you got Hammurabi of Babylon, a celebrated king of Babylon, a human. And he looks identical to all the Anunnaki paintings in Sumer.
00:39:08
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So it's like, well, what do you do? And the Scythians and the Tuatha in Ireland, they have all these features. It's unbelievable. And we didn't get into the pixies, which is a really fun one. I can give you a little one there. That's just that this word pixie is associated with fairies and fairyland and all this mystical stuff. But the pixies, this term clearly comes from a group called the Pict Sea, which was prevalent in Cornwall, England, but also Scotland.
00:39:36
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And, uh, and Ireland, the pics, the painted people, we don't even know what they called themselves, but we know them by other names like the two other and the twat a onu and the Anunnaki. These ancient groups were everywhere and.
00:39:53
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They think of themselves or thought of themselves 100% as the superior race. It doesn't mean they were, but they clearly painted themselves as gods. This is contentious as well, and we all have a personal meaning. I'm comfortable using the word God as my personal spiritual meaning.
00:40:14
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But at the same time, this word itself, supposedly from what I'm finding in certain areas, this word was more of a terminology for intuition. So anyone that was led by will and intuition, which sounds like initiates of higher understanding, right? That principle is more what that word stood for. So these gods.
00:40:42
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or kings with the crowns, right? The crown symbolizes the sun. And the oldest religions that I've found talk about that transmutation of the information or the wisdom from the sun, the origin of these sun worshipers.
00:41:00
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is the transmutation of that power into the human brain and the fractal relationship between the sun and that third eye, the pineal gland. This is the crown chakra. So it's all kind of connected in the symbolism, but it's all human. It's very much human. And we've just, I think it's both a game of telephone over thousands and thousands of years and tons of different cultures mixing together, but also I,
The Druid Knowledge Suppression
00:41:28
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I do believe that there's a line of nefariousness going on where others that are more powerful and more able to use their voice know about all this and keep that advantage to themselves probably. But I do think it's natural too. We've gone through many cataclysms on this planet.
00:41:46
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probably have led to a lot of confusion afterwards. What's your take on the Druids now? From my understanding, they were sort of keepers of all this ancient knowledge. They were basically magicians, not in a fairytale way, but they were able to
00:42:09
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they had a cult, a cult knowledge. They had a really, a lot of wisdom in terms of plans, what plans to use and stuff like that. And then I remember when I was a kid, I used to love Asterix and Obelix, Obelix. And it was obviously a cartoon, but you know, the, the druid, I don't know where those guys like,
00:42:34
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like initiates of something because it looks like they saw like a lot you know how TV and programs like that would devour certain clues so the the druid he know he would
00:42:46
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go there with his golden sicko and get specific herbs that only he knew how to mix in specific ways. Were these guys hunted down and killed off by whoever the sculpt is that took over their knowledge and the power? What's your research tell you?
00:43:05
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I think so. The whole idea of St. Patrick ridding Ireland of all the snakes is clearly about what we in modern times call pagans, but Pagani is just a specific area, a specific group. This word is just for the perennial peoples of the planet, the parent race. I'm comfortable saying parent race.
00:43:29
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even if they're pretty nefarious at certain points in history and stuff like that. They're not good or bad. It's just history, but parent race nonetheless, because it seems to be where all of this is coming from.
00:43:44
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Yeah. There's a part of the box saga, which I'm trying to confirm because you can't, this is a part that you literally can't go to any academic historian and be like, Hey, because well, obviously this would have been hidden. This would have been obscured. Um, supposedly Leo, the ninth Pope Leo, the ninth in the year 10 50 hired an army in, uh, Saxon, Germany.
00:44:09
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and to go to this holy place of the box saga people that we didn't really get too into that but the people where they live where they're from and where they still resided at that time and murdered everyone and let's call these people of the box saga the original pagans if you will the original heathens and that's where this this heathen story kind of comes from but so they kill everybody
00:44:37
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They destroy the old world, the whole symbolism of it, and they want this new Catholic world to take over, and they clearly did. But what's interesting about even the box saga, even from the pagan's perspective, it claims that they made a deal with Pope Leo IX, that this original pagan information would remain hidden from the world and kept in their family
00:45:06
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for a thousand years, not forever, but for a thousand years so that it will be released when the world is ready to hear it, which is to me the most, and the box saga is very long and very complex and we could definitely get into that some other time. But to me, that's the most important part about the box saga because it's like, well, wait a minute.
00:45:31
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Do we really have this like two sided thing then? Is it really the pagans versus the Christians or anything? Are these just dualities that have formed over time? Because shit, Christianity is very pagan. It's all just reused and recycled information, but maybe it wasn't accidental. You know, it was all put there on purpose for a greater reason to keep this through line or something. I don't know. It's really weird. Hmm.
00:46:01
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I don't remember your original question, though. I may have gone off track. No, the question is, do you think that the Druids were, like, just, you know, killed all? Oh, the Druids, yes. So, yeah, I think they absolutely were. And I think the destruct, so when I, I'm sorry, that's what happened. I went off track, told that story about the box saga. So, in a way, this is like a metaphor for what happened, where the Druids and anyone like that, that whole old world idea has been
00:46:28
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hidden, buried and suppressed. But the more I look, and this will probably be good to like lead us into another time, the more I look
00:46:38
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especially after digesting so much ancient aliens and stuff like that over the years and kind of being a part of the UFO community and looking into all this stuff rather than what the general, generally accepted perspective is that we have this like glorified parent race from back in the day that has been hidden by bad guys or something. It's starting to look more and more like it's all just them and they've hidden their own history and ours along with it.
00:47:08
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So that's pretty concerning. Yeah. So do you think there's a chance that any of this will ever come to light? Like the real truth or do you think we're fucked basically?
Is the Internet a Tool for Enlightenment?
00:47:20
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I think it's coming to light on purpose. I don't think it, I think, um, and this is a whole nother can of worms. We're opening all kinds of can of worms today. Um,
00:47:33
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In a way, the opposition to the powers that be is
00:47:42
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unknowingly controlled opposition. Like if the goal is to kind of collapse the world as it is, which does kind of feel like the case, who's doing the collapsing? Who's exposing everyone? And who's collapsing all the houses of cards? And that would be us, the conspiracy movement, the truthers, the hidden history buffs, all of us that are coming out and calling bullshit on everything that's been told to us throughout.
00:48:10
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Not just our childhoods, but our parents, our grandparents, their parents, and so on for a long time. We're the ones collapsing the world.
00:48:22
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We're the ones helping that happen. And it's interesting when we combine that with Terrence McKenna and many others of that generation's idea of the return of the age of Aquarius and the archaic revival, because these are old world ideologies, this lightly hinting at original paganism, right? So if we're collapsing the modern world and maybe that one wants to come back,
00:48:52
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And we already have this supposed prophecy of the church and the pagans making a deal to allow this to come out in a thousand years. It's a really twisty situation we're in. And I don't like calling anybody bad guys or good guys at this point. I think we're all just in this together and it's, it's a really weird twisted story, but it's going to come out. It's all inevitably coming out because even who we would consider bad guys have been slow dripping all of this to us for decades and decades and decades.
00:49:21
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But why do you think that is? I don't know. A lot of people have talked about revelation of method, but unfortunately that's not a real esoteric principle. That was created by James Shelby Downard, who was insane. He was wild, man. He talked about all sorts of Illuminati and conspiracy stuff. Some of it was pretty crucial and I think may be true, but he was pretty unhinged and there was a lot there.
00:49:48
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It hinges on your belief in Christianity in a way, and whether you do or not, you can see the one-sidedness of that. It's like, eh, the revelation of method idea is this. They have to tell us. It's some karmic retribution thing where if they tell us what's true, then
00:50:06
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you know, even if we don't understand it, they're free of karma. And I call bullshit on that because I think spirit knows better than just simple human language and trickery. I think spirit, you know, consciousness itself would know if you're being a liar or not, you know, so that's karma is inside, you know, you're judging yourself. So
00:50:26
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To me, I think there's an element of that where, sure, they have to tell the truth in a way, but I still think it's more that we don't understand our own language most of the time, especially when it comes to the ancient stuff. If we're talking about the old stuff coming back or being embedded into everything around us, sure, but we don't understand the words we're using and that's why we go off on
00:50:50
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reptilian tangents from Nibiru and stuff like that. We don't understand the language, even if they are signaling each other in public, the big bad they. It's all coming out because it's never been not out. We are finally upgrading our perceptions.
00:51:11
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We are, unfortunately, I hate to phrase it this way, but catching up to them, whatever them, the initiate, right? The ones who have already been initiated and were mature enough to put society together. I'm not saying they're good guys or bad guys, but the ones who were in a position to, I don't know, feel knowledgeable enough to create society or something to that degree.
00:51:34
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Yeah. I think the printing press and obviously the internet now, it is a big equalizer. So those that have the desire, because we are starting with a great handicap with a huge deficit. The schooling system has really made, has churned out mostly non-critical thinkers.
00:52:01
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order followers, acceptors of the status quo. So, I don't know, just out of curiosity, do you think
00:52:11
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It's just the internet basically got away from them. Maybe they didn't think that there's that many bright sparks. It's possible. That's a really contentious thing. Why would they ever give it to us in the first place? Why would they ever allow the print?
00:52:36
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So you don't want to be like, quote unquote, black pilled and be like, it's all evil. It's all, you know, not like that, but we kind of have to, instead of saying everything is evil all around us, I think we have to instead of reframe what we think about how these connections are put together, you know, because why would they give us the printing press? Why would they, quote unquote, ever even allow us to know how to read? Well, we are them.
00:53:02
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As I'm trying to prove through history, there's really no difference at a certain point in time. If there's a group that knows that, why would they be killing their own family if we claim that they are all about bloodlines and shit like that?
00:53:17
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It's much more complicated than we give it credit for. And I think, like I was saying in the beginning, we really love to plant our flags because we want to be able to, when you wake up from the matrix, quote unquote,
00:53:33
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you are vulnerable, you are flying in free space vertigo, right? Until you start planting flags. What's true again? I need something that's real. Okay, so you start to build a new worldview. And I do think it's possible to have a middle path. Shout out to Lindsay Sharman from Rogue Ways and the middle path. There's a good way to have a middle path there and to not
00:53:58
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Plant your flags maybe set up a tent that you can easily take down but no flag planting for the most part because you're building a world view whether you like it or not and every time you plant that flag you limit the amount of locations the next one's going in.
00:54:13
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in my love opinion. That's actually a great analogy. I know somebody that, I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, but she was a very Christian person. And after the COVID stuff, she
00:54:35
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was like, okay, I don't believe anything. I don't believe any, like any, any, it should tell me like any conspiracy you tell me, I will probably believe that that happened. So that's all that's very dangerous. And because you're extremely impressionable. It's like the, the way, uh, basically trauma programming via trauma works because, and that's what this was. Yeah. So, but get this. So she,
00:55:00
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went from being like a mega christian into then she was like flat into the flatter stuff she's like oh it's flat all the stuff and then
00:55:11
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she went into no that's actually not true and then she got into the the ascension into 5d in the next five years so illusion yeah yeah so like this is all an illusion you know we're gonna send it to 5d which basically it's it's a way
00:55:32
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to compartmentalize all this stuff that's happening in reality so as not to have to deal with it like an adult intellectually. You compartmentalize that and it's like magical fairy pixie dust.
00:55:49
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Yes, dude, because they don't want to take it like all these people grew up with that, that mystical idea of heaven and God. Once they lose that, or if they're start questioning that, you can literally see like, I'm picturing like this big evil banker, just like putting one church down and then one like crazy hippie dome of new age. And then just watching them get scared out of there and run into the next building.
00:56:17
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Exactly. It's just one extreme to the other and it's all a psy-op. It's all a psy-op, but like not everything is a psy-op, but a lot of the new age stuff, I got a lot out of these popular new age writers back in my 20s for sure. I did too, I did too. But this stuff I like, what's the guy's name called?
00:56:38
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Marc Pacio, he's got some great presentations on it about how we are conditioned to become passive observers and thinking we can meditate away this bullshit and think happy thoughts. I definitely see, it's very obvious that the new age movement got hijacked in that sort of way. But it's just, it was for me quite sad, to be honest, I felt sad.
00:57:07
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because I could see she's facing a lot of pain. And unfortunately, most adults are just big children.
00:57:18
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Absolutely. Unless we actually say, I am ready to feel a little bit of pain in order to mature my psyche, we're fucked. People are fucked. That's initiation. It's a scary word for a lot of conspiracy theories. It immediately leads to Freemasonry and stuff. No coincidence there.
00:57:42
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Initiation. It's when the Native American boys would spend... This is an old story. It's probably completely outdated and full of shit. But as a child, I had heard that certain Native American tribes, their young boys at a certain age would go out and fend for themselves for a week or something like that. There's a million different forms all around the world of initiation. And yeah, we just assume that growing up and turning a certain age makes us an adult.
00:58:08
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Yeah. And it shares rites of passage that you're talking about, like all the indigenous tribes, they would have something like, like, uh, uh, the, the kid will have to go out there and, you know, fend, fend for himself, no food, wolves, or, um, I think it was, was it in some African tribes, you'd have to like do literally literal leaps of fucking faith where you just
00:58:31
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jump off of a cliff or into the water. There was one thing when I was living in South Africa, there's this thing called the slide of courage in Sun City, which is like an amusement place, a casino and like water slides. But I think the origin is they build this
00:58:48
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slide that goes vertical and when you when you're like old enough you you show that you you have the courage to go down the slide it's like literally you're at one point you're in the air falling down I've been on it when I was like I don't know 11 12 it is epic yeah so there's and even like
00:59:07
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Just taking psychedelics like absolutely do peyote. I was one of my revelations when I did psychedelics the first time I had a lot of different revelations it was blowing my mind every 30 seconds time didn't exist but one of them was holy shit this must be what they're talking about a rite of passage like
00:59:30
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And you know, maybe it was premature enlightenment at that point for my 19 year old brain, but still it was, I got it. I understood the concept. It was like, okay, it's perturbation of consciousness. It's inducing.
00:59:44
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that you think you're going to die in a way. That's the rudimentary version of it, I would say. I think it's become more complex through different tribes over time, but elementarily, it's get rid of the fear of death. That's what an adult is. I bet we could even trace the
01:00:01
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the phonetics of the word adult to something interesting. That's usually the game I play. Finding context in our words today leads back to a lot of these old world things. We haven't dropped any of these languages. We've just kind of mixed them together. It's pretty wild.
Rites of Passage in Modern Society
01:00:20
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These rites of passage are kind of kept from us in a way.
01:00:26
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but they're out there and they're becoming more prevalent now and they're being pushed everywhere. This idea, this...
01:00:33
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Again, we have this duality where you're saying Mark Pacio was talking about meditation being this psy-op in a way, but it's not. Meditation itself is amazing, but I do agree with him that these 10 minutes under a tree, be by yourself and breathe for a minute. Well, I hate to say it. Maybe that does help people in a way, but that ain't what meditation is. Meditation is what Buddhism talks about. It's getting to that non-thinking center.
01:01:02
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Have you ever seen the movie, I Heart Huckabees? No. It's very weird. Not a lot of people saw it or gave it credit, but it's got a lot of symbolism mixed into it. It's all about corporate modern life and materialism and stuff and certain people in the movie that become enlightened. Well, they do this activity near the end of the movie where they just have this bouncy ball and they're hitting each other in a certain part of their forehead.
01:01:26
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And it's just goofy, it's a funny scene, but it's about, if they do it the right way, they'll stop thinking for a few seconds.
01:01:34
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Oh, okay. I get it. So we just do this all day, man. We just do this all day and we'll be fine. Everything will be fine. And it's, that's what Mark Posse is talking about. Like don't get led into all these tools are the answer to your being, you know, like these tools are there, but we have to be adults in the fucking ancient sense of the word to really
01:01:57
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be able to use them properly and without ending up using them as a crutch or letting them become us. Love it, Andy. Listen, we're definitely going to have to have more time in the future. Absolutely, my friend. You're going to have to come on my show sometime too. For sure, bro. I would love to. Listen, I have a couple more questions for you before we wrap up. This is for my Solutions Talk segment. I ask every guest.
01:02:23
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What are you doing that others can do also to increase their freedom, self-reliance, autonomy, and or resilience to the challenges that we face this decade and beyond? My wife and I both are looking at anything that we have to purchase and seeing if we can create it ourselves. To some degree, at least. We're not making our own clothes yet.
01:02:52
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But it's all possible. And so right now we have a massive garden starting to get replanted right now. It's the perfect time of year. We grow a lot of vegetables and fruits and we grow our own sponges that we use in the kitchens and the bathrooms.
01:03:09
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Yeah, literally it doesn't have to be limited to food, but that's a great place to start. Microgreens is another great place for people to start. Even if you want to make it a business, people are exploding with microgreen businesses all over the place because grocery stores will buy them up. Trying to do things for yourself. You don't have to go off and live in a yurt. You don't have to go off and live in the woods.
01:03:33
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Not yet anyway, and plus the woods are all owned anyway. So do something for yourself and spread the love. We share our vegetables, we share our fruits with our friends and families, and sure enough, we have a lot of people in our family and friends groups that are asking us how to do things now. How can we do this? What should I do? Hey, I'm getting a raised bed. Should I plant tomatoes like this?
01:03:59
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it's spreading just you know and if that's the whole essence of it that's this multiplicity to its advantage here in duality one to two to four to six to eight it just goes and goes and goes and goes the ideas are out there and there's no stopping them at this point and i think every step of the way even if a lot of what we've been led into to be thought of as free or you know
01:04:24
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opposing the powers that be turns out to be some sort of like honey trap or something the human spirit never never goes away and that's the one thing they can't take and i think if we raise the next generation with these things in mind and yeah try to raise critical thinkers not conspiracy theorists
01:04:43
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Mm-hmm critical thinkers, you know, I want my son to challenge the shit out of half the crazy stuff I say in five years, you know, what does he he's only five right now, but it's not gonna take long Yeah, you got his own Bigfoot theories and stuffs
01:04:59
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But he's in the garden too. And my knee said two is as well. They're in there, they're getting their hands dirty, they're getting used to what it takes to pull out a plant when it's ready, to put it in before it's sprouted. Just to get them used to the process of doing things for themselves and remembering the oldest activities that we've done.
01:05:27
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I started this year with dreams of that, doing some hydroponic stuff to show my daughter. She's a little bit too young, but next year, definitely, I've got some hydroponic peppers, strawberries, lettuces, and stuff. We're going to get into that. I think you're so right. You're so right. I grew up when I was like five, six, seven, I'd be at my village, my grandma's village.
01:05:50
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And I'd see, I'd see how I'd just be out, out with her. And like, she'd be, have a goat milk, the goat should give me milk directly. She'd literally scoop the little goat poops out of the milk and it was like this yellowy liquid. And like, I'd be sick or something. And she's like, drink this. Let's, let's secure what ails. Yeah.
01:06:12
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It was so epic, bro. It was so epic. We've fallen so far away from the old world. And it's funny too, because most of the people that are like kind of new age hippie, not most, I shouldn't say most, but a lot of people that I have come in contact with.
01:06:29
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even on social media, it's like, these are the last people that are willing to do any of this old world shit. They're so embedded. So I think that's kind of what people like Elon Musk and these other kind of technically Luciferian type people are kind of after. They're like, well, I want it the new way, but I want it the old way and I'm gonna synergize the two. And I just think it's, I don't know, there should be a synergy of the two, but it doesn't seem, they don't seem to have the right answer.
01:06:58
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I think a lot of the stuff, it's uncool now. It's uncool to... It's icky. Yeah, it's icky. But what I love is there seems to be a resurgence that gardening is cool. Growing up, food is cool. Absolutely. I feel like it's all about how you frame it. So my wife personally does not have great memories about gardening from her childhood. I do. So I'm always super enthusiastic and she's always like,
01:07:26
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pouring water on my fire about it so i'm trying to frame it other way so i'm literally like
01:07:32
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all the dude that did a bunch of like scientific research that uh uh grow uh like being out in the dirt touching the dirt uh it's good for your microbiome it's good for like uh uh endorphins uh you know increasing like um feel good neurotransmitter so it's good for like mood you know you there and i'm like i'm coming up with like ways to make it cool in a way absolutely so i think you need a few
01:07:59
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cool, like you were saying before, someone like Joe Rogan, if he's like, ah, fuck these grocery prices, I'm going to start my own garden, then a million dudes will be like, shh, shh, I'm not going to pay like 12 bucks for lettuce, I'm going to grow my own lettuce at home. Guys, this is why guys like that, they wield so much power. If they say,
01:08:22
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gardening school or whatever, like living more ancestrally school, then more people will do it and they will realize that, fuck, this is the way. Not being stuck giving your kid when they're four years old a tablet to look at, no being out, get dirty. And being dirty is good because it's good for their immune system, it's good for the microbiota.
01:08:42
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Absolutely. I think, like I was saying at the end there were about Musk and everybody, the whole transhumanism thing, the tech run world. It's like, I really think they're desperately trying to reimagine the old world into the new world. I just think nature is going to be like, no, it's a mimicry. This doesn't jive and it may not hit us at first, but it's gonna. It's weird too because it's like,
01:09:12
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There's a whole sector of the alternative media world that kind of feels, and I don't disagree entirely, that even the idea of progress as it's used in a modern way is kind of a psy-op. And when you root back to all these certain modern words and everything, it's tied to all the most evil people and stuff. And I can't deny that.
01:09:37
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There's also this thing that my wife and I often say to each other which is like didn't we come here to be human beings like whether it was our choice or not like we're human beings were put here without knowing the circumstances even if we have the ability to remember throw all these or deals or psychedelics or whatever. Initially we're here as amnesia amnesiac orphans basically.
01:09:59
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So, whatever we decide, how would that necessarily be condemned on some existential level, right? But it's hard to argue with the idea that the further we go away from natural living,
01:10:14
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The more dangerous our health concerns get and it's like, well, shit, what does that do to progress? Or are we just framing progress in the wrong way for the past couple hundred years? I don't know. Cause it's, you know, at first it's oil that's evil and it's destroying the world. And maybe there's some truth to that. And now it's electric cars are bullshit and look at the frigging minefields of, or the endless graveyards of, uh, you know, wind turbines and
01:10:40
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Okay so everywhere you look it's evil evil evil you can't you can't find the right solution anywhere what the hell. What i don't know man like is the only way to do it is to rub two sticks together to get fire i don't know we.
01:10:53
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not allowed to make progress or else it leads to our destruction? Or have we just at some point been led in the wrong direction that is destructive and there is a progress that we can get back to? I think we have a lot to learn from the Amish. They were like, this decade
01:11:14
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is just enough technology. Simple machines, no further. No further, no get the fuck out of here with all this other stuff. This is it. So I don't, those guys definitely have a lot to teach us, I think. It might be interesting sometime in the future, like the Amish are wearing VR goggles, but
01:11:31
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Everybody else is so far ahead. It's like, Oh, what are the Amish? They just stay one century behind. I don't know. Cause I know a lot of them watch TV. Cause now a lot of them apparently use a diesel generator. So it's like, guys, it's like,
01:11:48
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I think at a certain time period you're so far away from everybody else that like it's inevitable you kind of do progress a little bit, you know, I don't know. I don't know, man. It's so weird. I love it all. I love how there's, we don't have full answers to any of these things yet. And it does feel like we're getting close though. It feels like every, of course, every day almost feels like we're right next to the, you know, the, the end of the illusion, you know, but who knows? Who knows? I think, I think it's, it's,
01:12:19
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to go the other direction from the black pill thing you mentioned. I think we need to white pill ourselves. It's just, and I love your attitude a lot. I love you're so like, it's palpable that you are a positive upbeat person. You know, it's not, you're not putting on a show, you know?
01:12:41
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It's clear that you're like a student of life, you love to learn. And I also love experiencing new things, new hobbies. I think let's be men, let's be adults, let's be
01:12:57
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there to whatever happens be there and fucking show up whether it's with a shovel for the garden or with a fucking fashioned sharpened stick spear to fight the you know whatever doesn't matter let's just be ready as men as warriors but also be you know like love life enjoy life and just it's a magical adventure at the end of the day when it's all about how you see it
01:13:26
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Hell yeah, man. Absolutely. I agree with you 100%.
Conclusion and Where to Find Andy Rouse
01:13:30
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And the last final question, bro, where can the listeners find your work? Please share that. So this has been awesome. Really appreciate it, man. You have great questions. Can't wait to talk to you again. The listeners can definitely find me at the deep share on Twitter and Instagram.
01:13:48
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On Facebook, I'm just Andy Rouse. Reach out and say hi. My podcast is on all the podcasting platforms. I'm on also YouTube and Odyssey. Yeah, you could find me all those places. On Twitter, I am not as much of a everything goes type. You'll find me arguing and I feel that I have found a nice little
01:14:13
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perspective on there to entice questions. And that's what I want because I do have a lot of hard nosed ideas about history, but I'd love to be proven otherwise because it's only going to add to my perspective. I know it's not going to take away from it and that's a good place to be at. So come and join me over there. I love that. That's, that's the truly open, open-minded thinker's way. You know, just prove me wrong. I'll learn something.
01:14:38
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Yeah, I don't want to accept everything. I'm not that open-minded. I have, you know, a logical reason as well as whimsy, all right? Absolutely, brother. Well, yeah, man. Andy, till next time, brother. Thank you so much. Till next time, man. Thank you.