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Don’t Overthink It: Live Interpretation w/ Megan Nilsen
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This week Margaux’s friend and fellow podcaster, Megan Nilsen, is joining us for a live dream interpretation, where God emphasizes a common theme through a series of curious dreams. These dreams highlight God’s preeminence and power, accentuating that He is the one who goes before all things, providing the grace needed for 'impossible' situations and miracles.
If you’ve been tracking with us for any length of time, you’ve likely heard us go through these key questions while interpreting a dream:
- When did you have the dream?
- Title of the dream, if you were to give it one.
- Emotions: mostly positive or negative?
As we interpret the dreams, Megan also shares her metamorphosis—from living one way to discovering what it truly means to yield to God as the Vinedresser and experience the fruit of His handiwork. Check out the full episode to hear Megan's powerful story of letting go of the flesh and embracing the joy and whimsy of the Spirit—and discover how you can experience your own transformation!
*Scripture References: Luke 2:52; Isaiah 43:19; John 15:1-8; Zechariah 4:6
“The Spirit of God is the X Factor that you can’t predict; you can prophesy it, but you can’t micromanage it. It happens or it doesn’t happen.”
“When we’re processing our own dream, God is speaking to us about our life. We don’t need someone else to be an expert on our life, no one else can be. Sometimes another person coming in helps break patterns we get into in our minds…having someone else come in and ask those questions gives more space and permission for you to dig into what’s happening.”
Megan’s Website: https://meganbnilsen.com/
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Transcript
New Season and Courses Introduction
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Can you feel that it's time for something new? Well, September 13th, we are starting a fresh new season of the Breathing Underwater membership. If you have been wanting to go deeper in your dream life with God and do so in community with accountability and teaching, this might be the place and the time for you. For details on the monthly membership, go ahead and click the link in the show notes or email me directly.
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And there's another exciting thing happening. We have Healing the Soul through God Encounters, a three-week course, which is an introduction to inner healing as a lifestyle. We'll be learning to be in right relationship with ourself and with God, and we will make space to experience him in relationship to our soul. This starts 9.25 and goes the next two weeks. More in the show notes.
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We were designed to hunger for the deep things of God, to thrive on faith and wonder, to seek out divine wisdom that defies human logic.
Human Hunger for Divine Wisdom
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We were designed to unlock the mysteries of God. This is Breathing Underwater.
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Hello, everybody.
Introduction to Megan Nilsson
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I have the pleasure of hosting my dear friend, Megan Nilsson today. Welcome, Megan. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. I've been wanting to do this for a long time. It's a long time. It feels like it has been a long time coming. And when I said your name, I heard one of those like,
00:01:36
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and tracks in the background. Megan Nelson. Exactly. Oh, that's amazing. Thank you. Megan and I were just joking before I bute before i pressed record that we're named twins because she's M.N. Megan Nelson and I am Margot Nelson and it's so close. So close. I love it. That's right.
00:01:54
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Meghan is a fellow podcaster and a fellow lover of Jesus and discerner of spirits. I would say follower of the Holy Spirit and a fellow dreamer. She and I met through a podcast group. That's how we initially met. yeah And then I ended up flying to Colorado, I think last spring and meeting her in person. Oh, so much fun. Meghan, is there anything you want to share about who who you are, what you do, where you live, your people? Sure, sure, sure.
00:02:23
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ah Yeah, I live in Colorado Springs. It was amazing to meet you in person. We did done not have enough time, so I'm going to complain about that part. um But I have four kids, two biological, two adopted from Ethiopia between the ages of 17 and 24, been married to my college sweetheart for a long time.
Megan's Work and Dream Interest
00:02:41
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29, 28 years, something like that. And my vocation at the moment is I'm a kingdom life coach, which basically means like life coaching through kingdom lens. Like what's God saying? How's He directing you? Getting real clear on that, helping people understand that kind of the divine strategy for their life. And then podcasting, like you said, I host the kingdom life coaching podcast and I've written a couple of books.
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And as far as dreams go, I, I am so intrigued by dreams, interpreting dreams. I can remember, um, very clearly when I first really realized like Jesus was in my dream, probably 15 ish years ago, you know, was when I really started paying attention. Um, and that just kind of been intrigued since then. So when I heard about you, I was like, yeah, I gotta know. what I love this. So you've been doing this a while. I don't think I realized that you'd been interpreting. I mean, I don't know about doing this a while, that sounds a little generous. I know that God speaks through dreams. That's very clear. Obviously it's very biblical. I know that he has spoken to me through my dreams, but it isn't until late and until I've been listening to your podcast and really paying attention to a couple of other places as well that I thought, oh, could he be speaking in all of
Significance of Dreams
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my dreams? So if something, I've been very quick to dismiss something as random,
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too complicated, whatever. And now I'm like, oh, maybe it's not as random as I think. And so this this part is new. Oh, like the digging into the metaphor is new. And so for your listeners, they have to know that I interviewed you on my podcast. So go to kingdom like coaching, put in Margot's name. And that was super fun. Oh, my gosh, you guys. And this woman is so good at podcasting. I was like, how did she get so good at this right away?
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I want to be like you when I grow up. So I'm definitely putting that link in the show notes so that people can come and and listen to your podcast in general. And if you want to listen to mine, you can listen to that too. But I love what you just said because I feel like that is, is what I'm consistently kind of pushing against is that mindset that, oh, that was nothing or, oh, that was too complicated or, so oh, that no, that wouldn't make, doesn't make sense. It was all just too weird.
00:04:55
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when dream imagery is weird. It's freaking weird. Right. And God's imagery is just weird sometimes. Yeah. Read the book of Revelation. Like I don't, we need, we don't need to say anymore. It's weird. Seriously. Period. Yeah.
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Well, I'm so
Dream Interpretation - Anna Bard
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encouraged to hear that. And we are going to actually jump into some of your dreams today. Oh, my word. She has three. We might get to three, but we're definitely going to try and go after those two that have a similar similar theme. yes Yeah. So what I'm going to do, you've heard me do this before, is I like to do it interview style. I'll ask questions and try and really draw out of you what you're sensing, as well as me adding what I'm sensing.
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um What I'll have you do before you tell me the dream is I'm going to ask you the same three questions that I ask everyone, which is when did you have it? What would you title it? If you were to give it a title as if it were a movie and what was the primary experience of emotion in the dream? Meaning was it, was it mostly positive or mostly negative? You don't have to give me the individual ones. Just yeah, felt positive or neutral or not. It felt negative. Yeah. Sound good. Perfect. Yeah.
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Um, okay. So the first dream that I'm going to talk about, I had, so at the time of this recording was about a month ago, exactly. So August 18th, today's September 18th. So exactly a month ago. Love it when that happens. I know. I love, I love eight. Um, okay. So this dream is my daughter, friend had a baby. She was like a teen mom.
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And this baby was super tiny, like maybe preemie. And you could fit in the palm of your hand, like tiny little baby. And I went to hold him for the first time and I cradled him in the palm of my hand, like just mesmerized. And then all of a sudden this little baby was alert, like looking at me, opened his eyes, smiled like not like a newborn would, way more alert than that. And then he started growing into a full grown man, like was sort of like morphing into a full grown man, like right before my eyes. wow And then we were all like astounded and amazed and everybody, there was other people around were like, what in the heck is going on? And the location was we were in a school bus. We were in a school bus.
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naturally. He and mom, preemie baby, grows up right before our eyes. And then I said, what do you name him? And she said she wanted to name him Anna Bard. I was like Anna Bard. And then I remember thinking that is the strangest name I've ever heard.
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And I made her say it a couple of times. Cause I was like, wait, what do you want to name him? Anna Bard. And I wrote it down. So I think that was the name Anna Bard. Okay. So that's the but baby dream. Number one. Wow. Well done. Um, remembering that name and writing it down. Yeah. Thanks. Uh-huh. I cannot wait to see what that is about. Yeah. And the I think would say, um, the emotions were mostly positive. Okay. And what did you title it?
Symbolism and Openness to New Beginnings
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o um um I almost want to call it like ah like a man-baby, like metamorphosis, something like that. like the Yes, the evolution from baby to man was like happening in real time, like in minutes. Metamorphosis? Yeah. Okay, that's good.
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I like that. Okay. So the second baby dream. Nope. no Nope. Nope. We're going to do this one first. No, that's okay. You're ready. now You're like, and no girl. Uh-uh. Let's, let's sit with this one first. Did you have this one before the sec get one you're about to share? yeah Okay. So I just want to make sure I have it right. Bryn is your daughter's name.
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And she's the one that had a baby and it was a boy. But it was a preemie, so he was early and really tiny. Super tiny. But he was super alert for that age of a baby. Correct. And that tiny of a baby. And that tiny of a baby.
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And really the emphasis of the dream was, oh my gosh, you had a baby and he's so alert and now he's morphing super fast into a grown man. huh And all of this is happening on a school bus. And ah that might be my favorite part. Like the magic school bus with Ms. Frizzle. Yeah, exactly. And his name was going to be Annabard. Yeah, Annabard or something like that. Annabard. Yeah, and ivy I even went back and kind of tried to look up, is there anything about that? I couldn't find anything about that. Couldn't find anything with Annabard? I don't even know what it it it what it is, what it means or anything. Oh, this is not nothing, my friend.
00:09:28
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It is so obscure, but so specific. And you even asked three times in the dream to repeat it, which to me is going, okay, you're participating in this pattern in your dream of repetition, which is emphasizing. but So whether we come to the, the meaning of Annabard today or not,
00:09:50
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the Lord is going to show you what that means um and it feels very important. Yes. Okay. Brynn, if you were to say that she's metaphorical, what might Brynn represent based on who she is, what she carries, what she might specifically mean to you? What would you say?
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This is funny.
Relationship with God and Spiritual Growth
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ah I actually, she's so dear and joyful and loves the Lord with all her heart. And the minute you said, what would she represent? I was like, kind of like Mary because you know, Mary was a teen mom and she was birthing Jesus.
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yeah And then all of a sudden I'm like, whoa, she birthed this little baby. And I think Bryn wouldn't, like the Bryn that I know wouldn't, it wouldn't be because she was promiscuous. Let's put it that way. It would be because the Holy Spirit like implanted something in her that needed to come to the world. And then when I think about the baby himself,
00:10:51
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And the scripture that comes to mind is like, and Jesus grew in favor with God and man. Like we don't have much of Jesus' life in scripture, right? Like if you think about it, Jesus kind of morphs in front of our eyes, scripturally speaking. right He's a baby and then he's like 12 and he's lost in the temple. temple And then he's like 30 and he starts his ministry for three years, like in a matter of pages. Wow.
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So yeah, that's what's coming to mind. I love this. Tell me how this resonates with you as you're saying it out loud. Does it feel like it's connecting to life at all? The baby piece, and I've seen, you know, I've heard you talking about how babies can represent like new projects, new things.
00:11:33
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New season something new seasons. Yeah. I mean, the interesting thing is it's not my baby. like Very clearly not my did not birth this baby and the next dream will be the same way. Um, so I don't know if it's about me stewarding something that is
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God breathed and has the potential to grow pretty quickly because God's spirits behind it has nothing to do with me or anybody else. It's just like God is like here and putting this in your hand and it's going to grow really fast. And I don't know what that is necessarily. Obviously I have a business and coaching and podcasting and all those kinds of things. So that would be a natural,
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Uh, connection for sure. Is bre one of your biological? Yes. So I think it's interesting that you birthed her now she's birthing this baby. So this baby is of your.
00:12:31
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yeah of your bloodline. So even though it's not directly your baby in the dream, it really does feel like there's ownership. It's a grand baby.
00:12:42
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yeah Grandma. Oh gosh. like Wait, not yet. ah Too soon. Too soon. Exactly. But if you think about that in the spirit and how God tells us, it talks to us so much about legacy and like what we're passing on and leaving to the generations. I'd really be interested to see if there's more meaning in that for you. The fact that Bryn felt like Mary to you right away is so beautiful. I really felt the spirit when you said that and this just young kind of pure innocence that she carries.
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Um, that's this open womb for God to do what he wants to do, right? Because that's, that's, I believe a part of why he chose Mary. It was like, there was nothing around that story that could have pointed to her doing anything. It was just her openness to receive what he wanted to do and to steward that into, you know, the birthing of Jesus. So I wonder if even that concept of just like purity and openness to receive the seed of God, something that might look unconventional, might feel like it's coming early, might feel like, whoa. Yeah. I actually i do resonate with that for it does because and I, I feel like the whole like my conversations with the Lord and but and sometimes confirmed through other people is really this like
00:14:05
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relationship that is super Holy Spirit
Creative Direction and Unique Divine Plans
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driven. And when he tells me to create something, I create it. When he tells me to do something, I do it. And I never really know how it's going to turn out or how quote unquote successful it's going to be. Um, and so I just do it.
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If he says, do it, I do it. I feel very thankful and grateful and privileged to be able to to do that, you know, with where he has me in my life. And then the other thing that sticks out to me is the name at the end, you know, we're like, it's so, it's so weird. Like, it's not a name.
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And so then I think, OK, Lord, are you going to birth something that is just unique? And you can't you can't name it Mark or John or Laurie or Tina because it's like Annabar like like maybe i'm I'm waiting for something that he's like, this is new. Like I'm doing a new thing. Do you not perceive it like you can't and even name it because you don't have context for what it is. I love this. Like, OK. How does it feel when you say that? Does that feel true?
00:15:08
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it feels exciting and like hopeful like and there isn an There's an expectation and there's also a peace. I think my flesh could be like, well, then what is it? I have to know what it is and i have to I have to figure it out and I have to start Googling and I have to, and I feel like the way what he's saying to me is like, don't overthink it. yeah It's gonna come by my spirit. I mean, that's how Jesus was born into Mary, by his spirit. And then it's going to be something you couldn't have perceived anyway. So you might as just well wait until I'd give it to you and then you'll know what it is. but So I'm like, okay.
00:15:43
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And that sounds like him. huh Doesn't it? So often we're like, can we name it now and kind of have a ah shape for it before it comes? And he's like, just keeps walking with me. Yeah. Yeah. And I love the school best because that resonates with who I am as kind of like a teacher. I feel like my, my podcasting and my coaching is very um, teacher-y, advice-ish. We're joking that I'm like a grandma, but I feel like I bring a ton of like motherly wisdom to all the things that I do. So I'm like, wow, okay, that's not a stretch. so Absolutely. Absolutely. Come on, everybody. Come with me on the journey of like learning of the things of the spirit. That's how I feel.
00:16:23
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Yes, yes. ah that That really resonates. That's what I was thinking with the school just school bus, because you know vehicles have to do with ministries or callings or what's getting you from point A to point B. It could be representing like your life at the moment. So the fact that you were in that, I think, speaks of this space of learning, this space of teaching, this this season, or really this space entity. It could be specific to your business. It could just be your call as a teacher.
00:16:51
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But it definitely has to do with learning and growth. um Interestingly too, and I'll just put this aside and then we can move on to the next one, but Annabard.
00:17:02
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All I can think about is Lord of the Rings or like the Hobbit, because that seems like such a Hobbit name or you know something that you would see from Tolkien. And when you are just talking about kind of the adventure of like, we don't really know where it's going to go. That's what I think of when I think of Lord of the Rings. I think of this kind of assignment or calling that you really don't know what's going to happen once you step outside your door, but there's a whole adventure that is... Yeah.
00:17:28
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comes along with it, so just to emphasize. It's okay, Frodo. It's okay, Bilbo. It's okay, Bilbo. You can do this. That does sound like a Tolkien character. That's hilarious. Doesn't it? Anabard. Anabard. Anabard. A little bit like um one of the dwarfs. Uh-huh. Yeah, right.
00:17:46
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Anyway, to be continued, it might be something completely different, but okay. Let's leave this one here for now. It sounds like you've got a good amount of revelation to just even hold and sit with and inquire yeah about more. Okay.
Second Dream - Miracle Baby Amy
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Let's do the second baby dream. Um, you title it.
00:18:07
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and Well, obsession, if we have metamorphosis, then we have obsession, okay? um I know, it sounds like a trilogy and in the making, don't you think? It does, I would so watch that. Maybe I've got some novels in me, can't wait. I would not be surprised. Yeah, metamorphosis, obsession. Okay, so this one is a peripheral friend. Her name happens to be Amy. One sec, positive or negative emotion?
00:18:34
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um I think positive. okay Thank goodness. I have a lot of negative dreams, girls. I'm i'm happy to bring you some more positive dreams. ah Same. I'm so sorry about that. right They are important, but they're not as much fun. Let's be right. They're not as much fun. no so My friend Amy gave birth to a small struggling baby struggling for his life. I find that very interesting. Both these babies are super small.
00:18:58
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And I could tell it was like, yeah, a preemie, something concerning for his life, fighting for his life when he's born. And I was with her for that and I was helping her take care of him and and and holding him while she poked him with like needles to draw blood. I remember like,
00:19:16
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being like, it's okay. And let me just hold his little arm because you've got to draw the blood for the test. And then he grew as I held him. This is crazy. It's like super similar. And he was a miracle. I wrote, he was a miracle baby. Like he was growing even though he wasn't supposed to live. And he had big brown eyes and he gained weight to a good chunky size. He was like super big brown eyed chunky baby. And then I held him by his hands as he started to walk.
00:19:46
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Oh, my gosh. And then everyone around who was ever was there was like oohing and awing over these big like just milky brown eyes. And then I would say I would say I'm obsessed with this baby. I was like, I know I'm obsessed with this baby. That's it. That's that's the dream.
00:20:02
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So again and again, I'm obsessed with this but so but baby. Like he was just like, you know, when you're around a baby that you just want like kiss and snuggle and hug and smell and like shove your nose in their neck and you're just like, that was that kind of baby. And you're like, I want, I'm glued to you. I just want to be holding you or touching you all the time. exactly Yeah, that was really interesting as I was explaining it to see some of the similarities of the little tiny baby who begins to grow.
00:20:33
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against all odds. And then all of a sudden starts walking in the dream. Like that's and you're holding it ten pretty quick growth. Yeah. Hmm. I sense some emotion towards the end there when you were talking about how obsessed you were with the baby and all of that. Yeah, I can feel it. It was like, it was like, I've never loved anything more than this. I felt super protective of the baby. And again, this definitely wasn't my baby because it was like a friend had the baby, but I felt like,
00:21:04
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I'm holding him and I, and I just like so much love that is just like on a band, like on abandoned, like there's no pretense. There's no, you know, I think sometimes, uh, me personally in my flesh, I can get very, um, Oh, kind of measured.
00:21:26
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with with my joy or tempered like it's okay like I'm super happy but if it doesn't work out it's okay like I feel this tension in my soul but like in the in this dream it was like the joy could not be contained and like the like the mama bear kind of obsession with like He's so amazing and he's mine and you all you all see it and you know it. like You know what I mean? And it wasn't about me. They weren't looking at me saying, oh my gosh, you're amazing. I was easy to give myself away because it was about the baby. The baby's amazing. Not me. Yeah.
00:22:00
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Yeah. And it's interesting that you just said he was yours, even though you knew he wasn't yours. I know. I think that's really important because I don't necessarily think it's as literal as these are someone else's babies. I wonder if they're just the women in the dream who are birthing the babies, who they are and what their name means is more a part of why they were the ones giving birth, but it actually belongs to you. Does that make sense?
00:22:24
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So Amy, let's talk about Amy and she's a friend of yours, a real life friend. A real life friend and peripherally. Um, we're not like best friends or anything like that, but our families have known each other for a while. And she actually just battled, she's battled a couple of rounds of cancer in her life actually. And as kind of a miracle, even now she's in her mid fifties probably. And, um, oh yeah, she's a miracle.
00:22:54
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And you actually feel Holy Spirit. You, um, actually called the baby a miracle. Amy's baby. I did because he survived. So I wonder, would it be fair to say that Amy in this dream would represent like a miracle?
00:23:09
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Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting because she actually battled a form, a very acute form of blood cancer of like leukemia. And then I, in the dream, I'm like helping her take blood tests for the baby um to make sure that the baby's okay. So that's interesting. Very interesting. If um Amy might represent something else, like is there anything else you would attribute to what she could represent to you based on who she is, what she carries?
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00:23:39
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She's very down to earth and very gritty and full of faith and just super real. She's just like, she's just a very real authentic human being, which is very, you know, draws you in. So here we have this miracle baby from this miracle woman that is delivered that you're helping with another preemie. So interesting.
00:24:10
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That grew really fast that you were very connected to that felt like your own baby. Do you think that this is different? than the metaphorical baby in the first stream. Because like you mentioned, when we're talking about babies, we're talking about something that's coming to birth, something new that God is doing in your life. A new season, a new project, a new idea. It could be anything, right? But both of these happened within a month of each other and it's a really similar story.
Exploring New Beginnings and Miracles
00:24:40
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Do you feel like there are two things or do you think that they might be different angles on the same thing? I think there might be different angles on the same thing.
00:24:49
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the metamorphosis stream feels like something happening by God's spirit, that when God puts his fire on something, it just it just takes off, like the favor off it goes. You know what I mean? You can't even he' just got to keep up. Then the second one feels like a different angle because of like like the internal joy that I felt. like The first one feels more like of a curiosity, like an extra curiosity of like, whoa, what is God doing? And the second one feels like, and I am having so much fun and I'm so obsessed and this is so much joy. like So I think could there be something coming that's just super fun.
00:25:35
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you are like be like and I'm obsessed with this thing and that I don't have to hold back. I don't have to like pretend that I'm not or filter myself or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Any, any thoughts on the big brown eyes? Right. i Yeah. Yeah. That definitely stuck out to me. Like you could just stare into those big brown eyes. I don't know. oh Um, yeah, you were saying milky brown eyes. I know. Cause I had to give it a a descriptor. Cause as I couldn't just say brown eyes, like they were just sort of almost like the Gerber baby, like big, you know, like that's the sign of the most adorable. It was these big eyes. Right. So big, but big and very specifically Brown. They were Brown. I don't know. Yeah. I don't either. Yeah. and Anything I would associate with Brown is not really working in this context. So.
00:26:28
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You know, sometimes it's really clear and you're like, oh yeah, no, i don't I don't have that for this. I don't know. But that does feel like a descriptor, almost like Annabard in a way that's like, wow, this was so emphasized, but it feels a little mysterious. Yeah. Where we'll maybe just see.
00:26:43
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I know. And in some ways, if you say someone has brown eyes, that feels very regular, doesn't it? It's not like sometimes if you say, oh my gosh, they have like the most piercing blue eyes or the most, right you know, like these hazel eyes are like amber. People are like, whoa, but brown eyes almost feels like average. Okay. If you're listening to your brown eyes, you're not average, but no, you are not.
00:27:04
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It's almost like, like every, everybody could fit into that scenario. Like when I think about what God births through me or could birth through me, it's going to be sure by his spirit and unique, but there's also going to be an element of like ordinariness to it. I think the reason that something would grow is because it feels very relatable to a lot of people. So brown eyes to me feels like, yeah, a lot of people have brown eyes. It's not some,
00:27:34
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unique, obscure thing that you're like, Oh, well I don't fit into that category. I mean, half the human race is probably like, yep. Great. So are you kind of seeing this within the context of like a ministry thing that you would do or a business or something that is relatable to others? Cause the way I've heard you talk about it, it sounds like it's, it's kind of taking shape that way as you're talking.
00:27:57
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Yeah. It takes shape that way because that's probably outside of my family, which is the number one thing. Then the secondary thing is calling. And because he's put me in a place in a space of of speaking and writing and podcasting specifically, like you're planting seeds, as you know, and you put them out into the world and you don't know where they're going. You don't know how fast they're going to grow. You don't know Like when you start something from scratch, as you have done and I have done with our ministries or our podcasts, like you start that first recording with like, it's like a preemie baby. and Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know who's going to listen. I don't know where we're headed. I don't know what's going to be, but little by little we survive. Yeah. Will it survive? Totally. Will it survive?
00:28:43
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And so there's like a hopefulness and a like a, I feel like an encouragement from the Lord of like, just keep going. And when it's time, I will, my spirit will be on it and it will grow beyond what you, like you couldn't have done it. So, so a lot of times the Lord is reminding me not to overthink everything.
00:29:03
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And yes, I'm on social media, and yes, I have that strategy, but not to the point of obsession, because I could be obsessed. And I feel like the work in my spirit is to be more obsessed with him and what he's doing and the fire that he's putting on something or the baby that he's growing rather than obsessed with the details and the shoulds and the right way to do it and all those kinds of things. Like he's growing me in that way. I see. To be more abandoned to his spirit and grow that way rather than manufacturing it through measured means, which is what my flesh is would be very comfortable doing. Okay. Yeah. So naturally personality wise, you have more of that, like, Oh yeah, I'm going to get that done. I'm going to put on a list. I'm going to strategize that we're going to do it. then That's more how you're wired. Naturally. I'm going to hire the coach. I'm going to get the expert. I'm going to learn from all these people, which is good and wise. And I have done it.
00:29:58
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But there's just I just call it the x-factor like the Spirit of God is just the x-factor that you don't you can't you can't predict it I mean you can prophesy it but you can't micromanage it it just happens or it doesn't happen I mean by a spirit it happens. Yeah Can't control it. Mm-hmm can't control him. That's right. That's right. Yeah Oh, I love this. I really feel the spirit on what you're saying. I'd love for you to just even unpack that a little more. I think this is resonating with people. What has that journey been like for you? If you could sum it up
Yielding to the Spirit and Metaphorical Thinking
00:30:30
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in five minutes or so, ah what's that journey been like for you shifting from one way of being into really yielding to the spirit in your life? It's been,
00:30:46
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amazing and a lot of work. And when I say a lot of work, it's it's a refinement process. like it's putting it's It's putting myself in a place of refinement and pruning because he's really showed me like that he will cut off the branches that don't bear fruit. And I feel like in the past probably 12 to 15 years,
00:31:12
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he's it's yeah I've had the revelation of what what I've been, the the layers of of ah belief or clothing or I've been wearing, kind of the culture that I've grown up in. Like it's really been a sifting and a pruning of, okay, this is really beautiful. Yes, hang on to this. and And these are some of the things that are holding you back and really causing you to live more in the flesh as far as like needing to control and needing to understand outcomes. and um, image and stuff like that. And then living by the spirit is, it's been a newer new ish in the last decade. And so it's been fun and a lot of hard work. Like it's a constant refining and pruning at any kind time that the Lord is constantly, you know, refining and pruning. Like there's a humility to it. There's a vulnerability to it. But now I love to talk about it so much because
00:32:10
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it's like what he does. And then it's super relatable. So I feel like the voice that he's given me to put out into the world is like relatable. And I think I said that, you know, with the brown eyes, like it's not, I'm not, I don't have some crazy story. I don't have some, and something that's just like, Oh my gosh, have you heard her testimony? Like, I feel like it's just like,
00:32:30
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Every person can go, oh yeah, yeah, I've experienced that before. And the spirit is calling me to new things and there's more life here. And so, I don't know if that's making sense to you as you hear it, but I'm working it out if you can't tell. At the very beginning when you were talking about how long you've dreamt, but then really starting to dig more into the metaphorical side of it. It's so interesting because I just heard you use like three or four different metaphors, even just describing your journey.
00:32:57
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talking about the pruning of the branches, talking about the clothes that you're wearing and what you grew up with. I mean, there were two or other things or so that were all like really image and metaphorical. So it sounds like that's already in you. Being someone who it sounds like you're wired to think in images.
00:33:15
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who ah Because as a writer, you can't not think in metaphors. Like very, you know, you you don't want to be a boring writer. Right. So since I've enjoyed writing since like high school and then ultimately publishing these last two books, then.
00:33:32
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it is in in my nature to kind of go, how can I describe this in ah in a different way? That's a little more engaging and hook somebody and you know, so the language piece has always been in me. But allowing myself to get really like creative and and and let and more like ah like, what do you call it? Like unabandoned or just like like not think too much about it. Like, you know, i I think the work of my life has been to, to, to let myself get more open and whimsical and joyful. Like people have told me from teachers to physical trainers, like don't overthink it. You're thinking too much. Don't try to control this movement. Don't try to do this. this So, so that's the, that's kind of the, the ego piece that is, it can be very strong in me.
00:34:21
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And I think being able to go into the dreamland and speak in metaphors is a really beautiful counterbalance and like like the like the Lord like drawing out just more life and more color and more whimsy that is that is not natural, quote unquote, that you know that I'm aware
Processing Dreams and Literary Connections
00:34:40
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of. Right. Well, I see you flow in that so naturally. You pretty much interpreted your own dreams just now. I was just asking questions.
00:34:50
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And you were explaining what it felt like and yeah, what you were sensing and you're just kind of talking it out and it started to take shape as you did that. It was really fun to witness. And I i wonder how many other people, that's one of the reasons I like to do kind of an interview style is because sometimes we just need space to actually process it out loud and we get to it ourselves, right? It's not like, I need to bring this to someone who's an expert. No, no, that's not how this goes. Well, and that's the thing you don't know.
00:35:16
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what I've been thinking about and what God's been doing in my life and what my journals are filled with and all the sort of the nighttime thoughts. We don't know that about someone else. exactly So if you just bring to them the question, Hey, how does this resonate? What does this make you think of? Like we, we, and I just say sort of the like that the the common we as children of God, we know more than we think we know.
00:35:40
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Yep. And so you're just giving people permission to tap into that in a really beautiful, safe space, encouraging space. And then you can layer on your own vision or your own prophetic wisdom, which is amazing. It's like frosting the cake, you know? Absolutely. You can't have a cake without frosting.
00:35:56
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Come on. Can I have a cake without frosting? No. And I love that you just use the word permission because I do think that is something that we need. When we're processing our own dream, we're going to have God is speaking to us about our life. We don't need someone else to be an expert on our life. No one else can be. Sometimes another person coming in helps break in to patterns we get in, in our minds, you know, where we think, Oh, that was just nothing. Or this was my daughter. It must literally be about her.
00:36:26
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Which, you know, some of this might be down the road, but I just even going, Oh, I think it might be actually more metaphorical. What would she represent? Can open it up. Just having someone else to come in and ask those questions gives more space and permission for you to actually dig in what's happening there. So permission to rain, maybe, maybe just a so shameless plug. I was really trying not to say it. I was really trying hard. you you see how yes Come on, let's go. I know.
00:36:52
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I can just feel kind of the impartation and permission even just in hearing you talk for people to to go through their dreams in a new way and process it out. yeah So thanks for being yeah you. Thanks for being you. Oh, here we are just being us named twins.
00:37:08
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named twins. Yeah. We're, we're going to close here. anna bar You better believe I'm going to pick up the Simarillion or whatever. what That's like Tolkien's book on like the, the whole, the backstory of the entire Lord of the rings. It's like an encyclopedia on a fake world. Simarillion is yeah basically like the context for all these worlds that he created and where all the origin stories it it i thought i what it was about space.
00:37:35
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yeah Oh, well, okay. We're going to have to go fact check this, but he did write like a crazy deep detailed book about a world that doesn't exist. I completely believe that. I mean, he wrote Elvish. Like it's an actual language. He cleaned up his own language. Yeah. People have learned Elvish. Yeah. Maybe Annabard is Elvish and it's. Annabard was an elf. He would be really good looking. They all are. I mean, that's truly. I love the elves. I think you could have been an elf princess, Margot. Oh my gosh. Thank you. Don't even get me started. I live Tyler in the movies. You're speaking my love language right now, girlfriend.
00:38:14
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Her or Galadriel. Oh my goodness. I'm not even going to start on that. yeah Well, because we only have a couple of minutes left, we're going to close, but is there anything that you.
Concluding Thoughts on Dreams and Growth
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really want to share in this last few minutes or anything that you advice that you would give kind of to people who are still figuring out this dream journey and maybe feel a little bit more analytical or I would just say just start writing things down. Just start writing things down. And I don't write down every single solitary dream I have. I mean, I don't know. I just don't have the energy for that.
00:38:46
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But when I wake up and it's something that I remember a fair amount of details and it feels a little more coherent and it's not six dreams like put together where I will write it down. And it's fat it's super fun. I'm a huge fan of writing things down because how would I know within like three weeks span of time and this little baby and stuff like that. And then you get to and just go process it with somebody, you know,
00:39:10
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I'm going to, I'll make the plug for your member dream membership program, of course, which I just joined FYI. yes you Um, but. Like just be less measured and open up your mind and your heart to the fact that Jesus could be speaking to you in all kinds of creative ways and don't overthink it. I'm a chronic overthinker, so I'm gonna be like, hey, don't overthink it. Just let it happen, let it happen. See what's going on. And I feel like the message for me today as I'm walking away with this is don't overthink it. When God wants to throw his fire on something and grow something from a tiny little seed to
00:39:47
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to a big, huge harvest, he will do it. Wow. So just be an open and ready for that. When and if it happens. to be Miraculous. That's definitely the theme here. It's meant to be miraculous. Yeah. laugh And maybe I need to write a novel series. Metamorphosis, Obsession. I got to figure out what the third one is.
00:40:09
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That's the protagonist in my new novel. is anna Listen, everybody stay tuned. Okay. Because I will definitely be promoting this book when it comes out. all right series That would have to come by God's spirit. Cause to write a novel, I'm like, wow. You mean like a miracle.
00:40:25
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Like a miracle. Oh, snap. Maybe this whole thing is about this miracle trilogy that's about to come out that we didn't even know. Okay. All right. All right. Message received. Seeds planted. Seeds planted. Yeah. Okay, Megan. Well, I love you. I hate to close here, but I'll have you back again. Yeah. Sounds fun. Would love that. Thank you so much for being here. We'll talk soon. Thanks, girl.