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208 - Boris and Natasha: The Movie (1992)
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“It’s good to be bad!”
In honor of the 65th anniversary of “The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle” cartoon show next week, we’re taking the next couple weeks to dive into the two big screen adaptation of the classic Jay Ward animated series! And we’re kicking things off with a look at the 1992 made-for-TV (but intended for the cinemas) movie featuring Moose and Squirrel’s arch-nemeses! Join us as we talk our histories with Rocky and Bullwinkle, discuss why Rocket J. Squirrel is the greatest straight man of all time, and debate which elements work in this film and which ones don’t!
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Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts
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franchise right below will make us rich beyond our wildest dreams. Coming to you live from Frostbite Falls, Minnesota! It is the disenfranchised podcast, that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy, and joining me, as always, the moose to my squirrel, it's Tucker. Hey Tucker!
00:00:49
Speaker
Hi Steven, you should have said, ah watch us pull a rabbit out of our hat. That's what you should have said. And now for something you'll really like. Yeah, dude. See, you could have done something like that. but I mean, there's always next week. Yeah, you're right.
Celebration of Rocky and Bullwinkle's Anniversary
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Because this is part one of two. Yes. Of our two-part celebration of Rocky and Bullwinkle.
00:01:16
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personal heroes. That's right. Absolutely. Fucking love Rocky and Bullwinkle to this day. Love Rocky and Bullwinkle unabashedly unapologetically loves me some Rocky and Bullwinkle. This is this month. Tucker is the 65th anniversary of Rocky and Bullwinkle. The Rocky and Bullwinkle show came out 65 years ago this month, and so to celebrate, we're covering not one, but two adaptations of J Ward animated films, specifically those related to Rocky
Discussion on Boris and Natasha: The Movie
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and Bullwinkle. Starting with the 1992 film made for TV, but intended for theatrical release, Boris and Natasha Colin, The Movie. Yeah dude.
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directed yeah by Charles Martin Smith. That's that. That's the nerdy guy from American Graffiti and Starman and The Untouchables. Yes. Yes. Oh, no. Yeah. I'm so sad in The Untouchables. I don't want to think about him in The Untouchables because it's so sad.
00:02:26
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It is. He's also in this film as the hotel clerk. And it's so sudden, Steven. It's so sudden. You don't even really have time to. Oh, that movie. That's why it's sad is because it's. Oh, oh, I have to go lay down. Oh, that's such a good movie, Steven. It's so good. It is. I love that movie, despite the Kevin Costner of it all. I love that movie. yeah um Based on a ah screenplay by Charles Fraden, Linda Favella, Anson Downs, based on a story by um Charles Fraden and Brad Hall, that is Mr. Julia Louis Dreyfus, Brad Hall,
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um And starring Dave Thomas, Sally Kellerman, John Calvin, the great Andrea Martin, Paxton Whitehead, ah Christopher Neame, the great Alex Rocco, the great John Candy, Jose Iber, Sid Haig, Anthony Newley, John fucking Travolta in this movie. Yeah, shows up for a second.
00:03:33
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Rance Howard, Corey Burton and the immortal June Foray. What a cast. What a picture. Can I mention something at the beginning of this movie that struck me like first, I was like, oh, hey, there's Sid Haig. And then I remembered how many like oh pardon in the expression ethnic types he played back in those days. Right. And then just as I was thinking over that and having like an existential breakdown about it,
00:04:03
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Um, I noticed when they go into that alley and there's all
Reflecting on Cast and Characters
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those dudes there and he says the password and they take him to the balloon, the guy in front is the guy who plays the bum and UHF.
00:04:18
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You're the guy that asked for change. And then he says, 75, $1. And it's the best joke in the movie. Yeah, that guy, he's the guy at the front of the Y patch. I looked it up. It's totally him. His name is Vance Colvig Jr. And that was his last film before he passed. This or UHF? This. He died in 1991. So probably not too long after this film was released.
00:04:47
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Uh, no, not too long before this film came out in 1992. Yeah, I meant after not too long after it was shot. Oh, yeah. I'm assuming that makes sense. Yeah. Considering the timeline. That's a big old fucking bummer is what that is. Yeah. But I recognize them right away. And I had to look it up. That's I mean, that's that's that's an incredible poll. Can I just tell you? That's an unreal poll.
00:05:16
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That's what you get with me, Steven. You get unbelievable polls is what you do I've got that attention to the details that don't matter. That's I mean, honestly, you could say that for any and all of us. Let's be honest. We're we're all kind of good at that. um I blame the Internet. I mean, all sorts of things I can blame. I'm going to start. I was good about and work. I was good. Internet. I was good at that before the Internet, though. In fact, the Internet took my job, man.
00:05:46
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Like, fuck Google. Motherfuck Google. Because back in my day, before like the Internet was like had everything in the world on it, people will call me up at night and be like, hey, man, what's that guy? And he was in that movie, but also he had sang that song once that was a hit. And I'd be like, oh, you need know, homeboy. And it was OK. Thanks. Bye. Did you do that? um Was it before like we had Google on our phones? There was that service that you could text and then they would like text you back and answer.
00:06:16
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No, I didn't know about that. This was just people I knew they knew I was the guy. Oh, if they there was a couldn't maybe something because you couldn't be like, oh, who's the guy in the thing in like 1999? You know, you couldn't do that on the Internet, really. like Right. There was it was in the early.
00:06:32
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I would say probably mid aughts, there was a service mid to late aughts, there was a service you could like, text and they had people that would do it that would like search the internet for you and then text you your answer. dumb Basically, it was what it was. And I forget what it was called. But a lot of my friends were like, you should work for that company. And I was like, I'm, I'm currently teaching high school, I feel like this is far more lucrative than that would be.
00:06:56
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I don't remember what that service
Engagement with Listeners and Series Affection
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was called. If you remember, send us an email to disenfrancepod at gmail dot.com. That's our email address. Shoot that on over there. If I can leave it in the comments on our Patreon. Patreon dot.com slash disenfrancepod. You can do that also. um if If I remember it before the end of the episode, I will drop the title. But yeah, i'm fantastic. It is. It is fantastic. It's very fantastic. But we are here to talk about Boris and Natasha, Colin, the movie. Stephen, let's get right into it. Let's talk about our histories because I know we're going to have to do it again next. Yeah. Yeah. I know we're going to have to do it next week, but I'm OK with that because it's such a it's a it's a happy place to be. I mean, I I am a long time Rocky and Bowinkle fan. I grew up on that shit.
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um I remember even getting like a book from the library about like Jay Ward and his creations and it kind of like spelled everything out um and like kind of went ah went through his history. Like it was a really cool book. Like I was just always, I was a big animation kid. Like I loved animation. I loved ah cartoons as a kid, Looney Tunes, like classic Disney, Rocky and Bullwinkle.
Analysis of Rocky and Bullwinkle Characters
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I loved all of it.
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so like the stuff from the 60s, the Rocky and Bullwinkle stuff. I loved the irreverence of it. I loved the goofiness and the silliness of it. And like Rocky, Rocky, Rocket J. Squirrel, one of my favorite animated characters of all time. If I'm being really honest, like Bullwinkle is great and all, but I love Rocky. Like Rocky was my guy. Rocky's the best straight man of all time. He is. Of all time.
00:08:54
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He has so much tolerance. Like. I feel for you, Rocky. Like he's just dumb as hell. Like he's funny. He's dumb as hell. Can you imagine having to hang out with Bullwinkle like at all? Geez, Luis. I mean, there are there are straight men that like that have no chill. Like I'm looking at you, Burt, from Sesame Street. Like and and look, I I can't imagine like being in roommates with Ernie.
00:09:23
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or or being being like lovers with Ernie, I can't imagine because that guy is just like pure chaos and Bert is not duck for sure. Your order. He's not a rubber duck. That's true. um But um but no, like Rocky and Bullwinkle, you buy that their friends, despite the fact that Bullwinkle is the dumbest creature on the planet. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's always the thing that made those cartoons so funny is that Bullwinkle is so dumb. Rocky is so patient. And if Bullwinkle is as dumb as he is, how dumb do Boris and Natasha have to be to not catch him? Like how inept do they have to be? It's kind of amazing. Yeah. Yeah, they are the wily coyote to their Roadrunner version. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. But no, I always remember loving those cartoons
00:10:21
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I love the fact that every episode ended on a cliffhanger. And I would constantly miss episodes and constantly, like, not know what was going on from episode to episode. Like, but I just i did not in any way tarnish my enjoyment. I love Dudley Do Right. I loved Peabody and Sherman. I love the Aesop's Fables or the Fractured Fairy Tales.
00:10:50
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Yeah, that's good. is Yeah, um like all of it was just so good. It's so fucking good. I loved it all. um And yeah, I remember, remember in like the 90s when they were like the same, they're the the Taco Bell mascots for a while.
00:11:06
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I do remember that yes. There was like some licensing deal where they were the mascots for Taco Bell like just they were kind of there was a little bit of a Rocky and Bullwinkle resurgence in the 90s because that was when you know the boomers were our age and so all the shit from their childhood was being like brought back.
00:11:25
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Um, and so yeah, I, you could catch those cartoons on like Nickelodeon before the Nick at night programming started, or you could catch them on like TV 40 or something like early on a Saturday morning. And I was all in on those. Absolutely all in. I loved the kind of grittier animation style of it. Like it was, I, there was nothing about it. I didn't enjoy.
00:11:48
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inconsistent, too. Yes. Oh, God, yes. And that added to the charm. Yeah, for me. And it it was ah it was an animated show that like it had the irreverence of the Looney Tunes, but it didn't take itself as seriously as the Looney Tunes did.
00:12:05
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Like as goofy and off the wall and crazy as the Looney Tunes tended to be, you could tell like they kind of took themselves a little seriously. There was none of that with Rocky and Boinkle. Like nothing was sacred with them. And I kind of loved him for that. Dude, yeah. Dude. Yeah. What about you? Well, Steven.
00:12:29
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No time has passed, obviously, obviously that directly after when you asked me when no breaks were taken. No, none. No, no bodily functions ah completed and taken care of. Absolutely not. Anyway, I can't run a professional type ship yeah over here. we do I can't think of a time, Steven, I can't think of a time when.
00:12:55
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I didn't know what Rocky and Boinko was. Right. It's just always been there. And they used to play it on Channel four all the time. WTTV. WTTV for you.
00:13:13
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Yeah, dude, that's back when they were not network affiliated, which happened only recently, kind of. It did. Yeah, because for some reason, Channel eight lost their CBS affiliate and so they went to four instead. Which is so weird. Really bizarre. I don't even know what the fuck happened there. Sorry, we're getting really like hyper local with like indie Indianapolis area TV affiliates. Is Randy Allis still there? Like they keep all the people, right?
00:13:41
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I think so. and But without that, without the network affiliate money, can they afford to keep all those people? Man, I, I grew up watching that morning show channel eight. That was your morning show? Yeah. Channel eight. Those are my people, my people. But before that show came on, Steven, Channel four used to play Rocky and Bullwinkle at four o'clock in the morning.
00:14:08
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yeah and your boy, that's me. um I would get up at four, as a child, I would get up at four o'clock in the morning, take my ass downstairs, turn on the TV and watch Rocky and Bullwinkle for an hour. Yeah, you would. And unlike you, Steven, since I did that,
00:14:31
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like religiously and never missed a morning. I was always caught up on the overarching story. See, and I was for me, I was an afternoon evening watcher, which means that if I had homework, that took priority over rockin bow and go because I was not consulted on where the priorities were.
00:14:50
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And so as or as a result, I was given no say in whether or not I was able to watch Rocky and Bullwinkle. The same thing happened with the old 60s Batman show as well. Oh no, those cliffhangers though. I know. Same bad times in that channel. We used to play that on channel four two right after the monkeys. Oh, the monkeys. We do. Here we come from walking down the street.
00:15:19
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Good stuff. Dude, yeah. and Classic television. That is the rifleman. You do love the rifleman. I do. I love the father, son dynamic. Anyway, Rocky Boy has always been my shit. it Always and forever. And this film, the first time I saw this film, Stephen,
00:15:45
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Oh, because I've never seen this film before. I have seen this film many a time, Stephen. ah So I rented this from the library when I was just a lad, probably 12, 12 or 13 years old. That tracks. um And I was like, this is rad as fuck.
00:16:03
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I especially liked um how it was like live action. And instead of like putting animated Rocky and Bullwinkles in it or something, they came up with the clever twist of them being the the undercover agent guys surgically and altered. Bravo. Bravo. Yeah, fantastic. Every time.
00:16:27
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um So I saw this, I rented it from the library, and then I was able to procure a copy of it on early eBay, like 1998 eBay. Nice. And it's in a box downstairs right now. That's amazing. Yeah, it's in it's in the the storage box of stuff I'm probably not going to watch, but I do not want to get rid of. Yep, definitely.
00:16:59
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You didn't, you didn't bust it out for, for this episode. I did not because I have never seen it in its original aspect ratio. um And like you mentioned earlier in the episode, Steven, this was originally meant for a theatrical release. So it is shot and framed in a theatrical aspect ratio, even though it ended up just being a Showtime movie. right So I had never seen that. Yeah.
00:17:26
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i don't think Well, I don't think this would have made any money, but like if it were if there were just like a million me's, if I clone myself a billion times, we would all go see it and this movie would make money. Well, and i'm here's think the thing, the 90s were the time when the 60s were starting to make a resurgence. Now, I feel like this would have been on the early end of a lot of that shit.
00:17:46
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But like the 90s are the, well, we got the Brady Bunch movie, the Little Rascals. um And so much of that was so good. Like those Brady Bunch movies are really good. Addams Family movies, really fucking good. Right. I mean, the the first Addams Family movie came out in 91. So this could very well have been a response to that, honestly. In some way, yeah, maybe. Like, and so.
00:18:09
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I feel like i feel like it's it's probably just like a ah vote of of kind of of confidence vote from the studio. In fact, there is talk of ah of a test screening that went very, very poorly. And so there were other scenes shot for the movie as a result. And Dave Thomas says, yeah, those scenes never got shot. And so like the the movie kind of doesn't make as much sense as it would otherwise.
00:18:37
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um Yeah, according ah in the Wikipedia entry, according to Thomas, a number of scenes were never shot, which made it impossible to properly edit the film. So the film never really got like this filmmaker said they spent like 18 months trying to re edit it after that ah test screening and it kind of didn't end up working out because
00:18:57
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Yeah. I still love it.
Revisiting Boris and Natasha Film
00:19:00
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I'm going to bury the lead here, Steven. I love this movie. I've always loved this movie. And I haven't I haven't seen it actually in several years. um And so I was curious to see if I still liked it if it held up. And yeah, dude, I think I like it more than I ever have with this viewing. I always really liked it. But this.
00:19:21
Speaker
I really, really liked it this time. So I popped this on, and my my partner has no context for Rocky and Bullwinkle. Oh, damn. That's not something that she grew up with. No, that's sad. So I mean, it's fine. um No, I weep. I weep. I mean, you're you're you're yeah perfectly OK. But I.
00:19:44
Speaker
I started watching this and immediately as soon as I hear Corey Burton channeling the narrator from those original Rocky and Bow and Gold shorts from the 60s, the 50s and 60s, I am i'm i'm in. like I am locked in on this movie. I'm like, is this is this a secret masterpiece? I don't think it's a secret masterpiece, but I think it's a damn fun move.
00:20:09
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And all, may I mention while we're speaking in the narrator, all of that dialogue is so fucking clever. Yeah. It's like, and that was kind of the thing about Rocky and Bull equal the original series too. Like that shit was meta before meta existed. And this film just takes that a step forward.
00:20:26
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the The original narrator was, ah the voice of the narrator was William Conrad. He was actually still alive when this movie was made. He died in 1994. My guess is he had probably retired by the time this movie was being made and didn't want to redo it. Yeah, we can't all be June 4a and just still keep that that vocal range until your death. She was doing a Rocky and Bullwinkle short like three years before she died.
00:20:54
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Dude, like that woman is amazing. Like I June for a maybe one of the best like voice actresses to ever do it. I think my favorite quote about her is somebody said that ah people say that ah she's that June for a is the female version of Mel Blanc.
00:21:17
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But in reality, Mel Blanc, Mel Blanc is the male version of June for a. That's what it is. Yeah. And we love Mel Blanc. Just, I mean, yes, so much love and respect. We covered our blanks last film on this podcast with James Brew. Jetsons, the movie. Oh. He wasn't Strange Brew, though. Future episode of this podcast, Strange Brew. Really?
00:21:43
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Dude, we talked about this off mic like three weeks ago. Do I get this excited every time you mention it? ah You definitely got this excited last time I mentioned it. I'm so excited. Here's another future episode... about More Dave Thomas. william Yes, William Conrad's final film performance, final credited film role, 1991 future episode of this podcast, Hudson Hawk.
00:22:06
Speaker
Oh, I like that one too. I do too. I do too. And Last Man Standing. Those 90s movies, Bruce Willis movies that didn't do very well. I like them all. I have a feeling we're gonna cover Hudson Hawk and like Ford Fairlane like really close to one another. I just have a feeling. I'm into that. and And maybe any other like performer driven movies that you can tell that they really wanted to get sequels off of. But no like he William Conrad, amazing actor, not in this movie, but like narrator for like Rocky and Bullwinkle. He was the narrator for the fugitive. her He originated the role of Marshall Matt Dillon on Gunsmoke. Like. I'm holding back the urge to talk for an hour about the fugitive, the original series. I'm holding back that urge. It's too bad that the fugitive movie got a sequel because then we could cover it.
00:23:07
Speaker
I like both those movies, too. I guess we could maybe cover US Marshals on Unenfranchised sometime. Well, see, that's that's the thing, though, about those movies is I don't really see US Marshals as a sequel to The Fugitive. I see it more as like a spin off of it.
00:23:28
Speaker
because the fugitive is called the fugitive. And just like the television show, it is about Richard Kimball, right? And his his whole deal that he does. And the thing that happens to him and his wife and the one armed man, and Lieutenant Gerard and all that shit. But when you got U.S. Marshals, it's focusing on Tommy Lee Jones and all those other dudes are Joey pants. Yeah, Joey. Yeah. The other guy.
00:23:59
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and Alan ro there. Yeah, he is. Is he? I think he is. I'm pretty sure Alan Rux there. All right. I'm much surprised to get real quick. We have to. Because I've is it Alan Ruck there? I feel I don't know. I'm gonna find out.
00:24:13
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ah Robert Downey Jr. is in U.S. Marshals, though, I may be that. He is. Joey Pants, Kate Nelligan, Daniel Roebuck. Love that guy. Danny Roebuck. Yeah, dude. Tom Wood, Latonya Richardson, Irene Jacob. No, Alan Rock. Dang. Well, I'm wrong. That happens sometimes. I feel like you're thinking of then. I don't know. Maybe Daniel Roebuck. Maybe.
00:24:42
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Maybe, not my not my favorite Wesley Snipes performance. He's not bad, but it's no too long foo. I mean, correct, yes. As much as we do love Wesley Snipes, and we do. We do. That is kind of a perfunctory role for him. Pay your taxes, Wesley. Pay your taxes, please. We love you, pay your taxes. And only gonna be one blade, particularly at this rate. Yeah, dude, yeah, dude. Don't be one blade.
00:25:11
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Why didn't he have his sword? What was that shitty hat? How could you not have the sword? How could you not have that? How could you not have that sword? In the comments, please tell me, how could you not have that sword? If you've seen the blade that the Deadpools and the Wolverines And you're asking the same question. What was that little, little dagger sort of saber looking deal? No, where's the sword? You bring the character back. Was there some rights issue with the sword? Is the sword the Ruby fucking slippers in this bitch? I don't think so. How could you not? How could you overlook that in a movie that's already gone meticulate it would just be redundant so meticulous?
00:25:53
Speaker
in its fan service and to have Blade just have this random goofy looking blade, like make it less noticeable. And maybe I wouldn't bitch, but it had to be this weird looking curvy little hand sword, like a, like a half a sword, like a dagger almost. Come on. It's blade. It's blade. Where's the sword? Anyway.
00:26:21
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Wesley Snipes was in US Marshals. We were talking about US Marshals fugitive. The fugitive is a really good show. I was trying not to talk about the show because it's one of my favorite shows of all time. ah But and we're back. ah Specifically, we're talking about William Conrad. Oh, the narrator. Still cautious, like the third tangent talking about that guy. Yes. But Corey Burton is the one who does the who basically does his William Conrad impression in this movie, and he does it really fucking well. Corey, I know him from anything. He is prolific.
00:26:57
Speaker
Like he and especially does a lot.
Voice Acting Acknowledgements
00:27:00
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He was a protege of Paul Freese. The great voice actor Paul Freese has done a ton of shit for Disney. um He has been Ludwig von Drake since 1987. He was the voice of Dale in Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers.
00:27:18
Speaker
Um, also he's just a voice actor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't mean like just a voice actor. I'm just saying that's. No, that is his bread and butter. No, he is a voice actor. Yeah. Okay. And he has been basically like.
00:27:33
Speaker
studied with Dawes Butler. like he's He's been around some very like prolific voice actors and has become a prolific voice actor himself. And he's in he's in like all the big IPs too. like There's nothing he's missing here. right like He's in everything. Everything that's big, he's in. Transformers, Star Wars, Kingdom Hearts,
00:27:59
Speaker
um He's brainiac in the DC animated universe. um Like he he is. Again, prolific. So spoilers. um Does he do the narration in the movie we're covering next week? um No. Oh, he does the trailer voice in the machete trailers. Oh, which makes me so happy. That's nice. I like that. He sounds great.
00:28:28
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Um, though he did play Snidely Whiplash in the 2014 all new Rocky and Bullwinkle Adventures. That animated and computer animated show. That's the June for a short that I that I mentioned when Tom Kenny is Bullwinkle, your boy Spidge Bibb. Mr. Shows Tom Kenny. Mr. Shows Tom Kenny. Yes. He's always that reporter that like says the opposite of what he wants to say.
00:28:55
Speaker
They died shortly after. I'm sorry. I mean, they lived every time. Man, Mr. Shaw, that's good. Go watch Mr. Shaw, everybody. I think it's on HBO. And then they did a season a couple of years ago on Netflix called with Bob and David because they couldn't get the rights to the name. Mr. Shaw, Mr. Shaw, right from HBO.
00:29:18
Speaker
Yeah, dude. Yeah. Lots of lots of future stars on that show. Mm hmm. See lots of people that that got pretty big. Yeah. And you also will get to see. Excuse me, goodness. Oh.
00:29:33
Speaker
and Right there, dude. I got hiccups, which is a bad thing to have during a podcast. It's you also get to see future January 16th participant Jay Johnston in that show. Yeah, that's unfortunate. I always liked him. I did too. Yeah, so it's a it's a it's a big ass bummer. But what's a bummer? It's a bummer. Holy shit. I'm looking at the cast in next week's episode and dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah.
00:30:01
Speaker
Like in a lot of kind of before they were stars kind of people in there. as Look, we can't we can't talk about it because I'll start talking about that movie because I also love that movie and I have so much to say about it. We have to not talk about it right now. OK, I've never seen it, so I can't really speak to it. Oh.
00:30:16
Speaker
um but But no, Cory Burton does not play the narrator in the movie that we're covering next week. However, he is fucking great in this. And I think yeah yeah he is maybe my favorite part of this movie, if I'm being really honest, because he is so He perfectly encapsulates and and most a lot of it is the script too, but his cadence, his delivery is so spot on that I legitimately wondered for about half the movie if that was in fact the original narrator, William Conrad, before I looked it up and saw that no, it it is not.
00:30:59
Speaker
Well, I think that I think that I could tell that it wasn't him, but I thought that it was spot on like as good as someone could do. Like anybody that they have that does Bugs Bunny nowadays, like you could tell it's not Mel Blanc, but they do like and Muppet performers, too. By the way, I don't know how those guys channel Frank Oz and Jim Hansen so well, but they do. They they manage. they do They manage again. You can tell it's you can tell it's not them, but And and yet and and Dave's still there. Dave Dave goals still there. Still still gone to the great. Yeah, he's the guy. um You ever see the the documentary Muppet guys talking? No, it's fucking great. All I'll have to say is Frank Oz there. He's the director and like main guy. I watched the Blues Brothers the other day because it was on TV. What am I, 80?
00:31:54
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Anyway, it was on TV and I watched it and when Frank Oz is there, he sounds he sounds so much like a Muppet character where he kind of does in real life already. Yeah, because his voice, even though all the Muppet voices he does are different, he's still in all of them. You can hear him in all of them. Same with Jim Henson. um But gosh, it was so weird.
00:32:22
Speaker
Just because he sounded like fucking Muppet, man. I love the property guy. He does the same thing in trading ah trading places, too. Oh, yeah. He basically plays the same character in trading places that he doesn't lose brothers. Dude, yeah. Like, God, it's so good. um Yeah, no, this movie is.
00:32:42
Speaker
Man, it's fun. Like, the initial treatment was written in the, in the probably late 80s. And it was brought to producer Jonathan Crane, ah not to be confused with the DC villain, the Scarecrow.
00:32:58
Speaker
No. And at the time, Jonathan Crain was married to Sally Kellerman, the actress and singer. And singer, yeah, because she sings the song in this movie, too, the credit song. She does, yes. And she and he green lights the project as a vehicle for his wife. He's like, I'm going to make this movie so my wife has a project. Kellerman is the one then that brings Dave Thomas on board as Boris.
00:33:27
Speaker
Like she's like, this guy's funny, let's bring him on. And then Charles Martin Smith is brought on as director. His dad apparently used to work for Jay Ward as an animator. And so Charles Martin Smith like grew up with Rocky and Bullwinkle in a way that most kids probably didn't. Like his dad was the one that made Rocky and Bullwinkle, which is really fucking cool.
Production Insights and Film Comparison
00:33:53
Speaker
um And so Crane then, because he was a talent agent, is able to get people like Travolta and John Candy in there in this movie. Like all those big name cameos are probably a result of Jonathan Crane pulling his influence and making sure those guys show up. um you yeah And yeah, it was meant for a theatrical release. The ah test screening was kind of a disaster. And so as a result, I think they They spent um over a year trying to re-edit the movie before finally I guess dumping it on Showtime to kind of languish in obscurity and no one would ever talk about it again.
00:34:38
Speaker
until us right here, right now, discussing. But for real though, ah nobody knows about this movie. Like this should technically be a straight up. Yeah. Nobody fucking knows about this movie. I'm lucky that in the age of very little internet, I found it, figured out that it existed. Damn. I i knew it existed only as an oddity, like only as something that would qualify for this show. yeah And even then tangentially, because we normally don't cover television,
00:35:07
Speaker
But i'm I'm making the exception for this because, well, because Rocky and Bullwinkle 65th anniversary. I would argue that um films produced for Showtime or HBO in the 80s or 90s are, I mean, a lot of the time on par with theatrical releases back then.
00:35:28
Speaker
Like they were making a real good fucking TV. I mean, even now they make real good fucking TV movies, even as as modern before streaming as like the early 2000s. Yeah, they made that HBO made that movie with ah Alan Rickman and Yasim Bay, something the Lord made. Did you see that? No, like yo, yo, you got to see that. Yo, they're doctors and it's sad.
00:35:53
Speaker
Oh, I've heard of this. OK. I do know about this. Yeah, I'm just saying back in the day, back in the day when something was advertised as coming to HBO and HBO original movie, you were like, it's going to be it's going to be something substantial. It's not going to be like an ABC movie of the week. That's for damn sure.
00:36:13
Speaker
know And I mean, nowadays, like most streaming movies have that kind of pedigree of like the ABC movie of the week. And every now and again, you get something like a Salem's lot, or or the killer or fear Street, right? That you're like, why wasn't this released in theaters?
00:36:32
Speaker
Yeah, David Fincher, what's up? I would have watched The Killer in theaters. I thought it was fantastic. I don't think Fincher had anything to do with that. I think he so the Netflix was the highest bidder on the rights. And so that's who it was sold to. There you go. Like that's the kind of that's the kind of shit that happened. I have not seen it yet, but I do want to go see The Killer, you guys. And you don't have to go anywhere. It's on Netflix. I did see Mank, though. And you know what? I dig Mank.
00:36:58
Speaker
I want to see it, but I want to wait until I i go. I'm doing a little kind of mini David Fincher watch through with with my husband and his girlfriend. And nice. And so we watched. Nice. Nice thing. Such an open relationship. That's that's lovely. really Let me be clear. ah Jerry Seinfeld. Not there's anything wrong with that, but we are not in love and we are not homosexuals.
00:37:25
Speaker
Um, so anyway, my husband and his girlfriend, we were hanging out and he was like, yo, he saw that I had Zodiac and he was like, yo, can we watch Zodiac? And I was like, fuck yeah, dude. And so we watched the cut directors could three hours directors cut dude. Yeah. So we watched that.
00:37:48
Speaker
And when it was over, we were talking about how rad it was. And I was like, hey, you guys, I want to take you on a little filmmaker journey. Let's let's hang out with David Finch. And so every week we're going to watch a David Finch movie this week. We watched the game. I love the game. And if you remember, if you listen to our top five dis and five tries to episode on our Patreon, patreon dot.com slash this French pod, you would know that that is my favorite David Fincher movie.
00:38:18
Speaker
I do love the game, though. If they don't, they they actually and for real do not make movies like that anymore. Mm hmm. They didn't make movies like that then. That is the only movie like that. Often imitated, never duplicated. So ridiculous, but also so grounded. Like you don't know how to feel about it. And it's so wonderful. Mm hmm. Oh.
00:38:41
Speaker
Oh, yeah, it like there's no way all that shit works, right? There's no way, but it doesn't matter because that movie grabs you like yanks you by your dick and like pulls your log. A movie exists on the edge of a knife like yes Tucker is going to die. He's going to hack up a lung someday, but not today. Oh, it's hot. It's hot, Steven. I feel like Barbara and the living dead. It's hot.
00:39:08
Speaker
hot He grabbed me and he ripped at me. Johnny's got the keys. That's all I got, thank you. Thank you, Barbara. Thank you, thank you, that's all I got. Fuck. What the fuck are we doing? Look, we're gonna talk about Boris and Natasha. And he fucked this man.
00:39:32
Speaker
Sorry, I forgot about that one. That's my bad. Let's talk about doing the plot in 60 Segundo's. I got it right here. hety So the plot in 60 is the part of the show where we at the behest of the coin of justice is which is the it that I have right here. We'll recount the plot of. 1992 is Boris and Natasha in 60 seconds or less. I'm going to flip this coin. Tucker, you're going to call it in the air.
00:40:01
Speaker
Tails is tails, tails. It is heads. Oh, does that mean I have to do it? That means you do have to do it. Yes, I do. OK, you do. I would put 60 seconds on this. Happens so rarely that i I never know. All right. So I will put 60 seconds on the clock for you. Oh, no, we still have to use the official timer. Oh, OK. Well, then I'll just hold it up to the screen. And if you want to say 30 and 10, you can. I will say it for the benefit of the audience.
Plot Recap and Humor Discussion
00:40:30
Speaker
Okay. It's just like, I appreciate the effort, Steven, but I didn't spend $20 on this video. Use your fucking phone. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, I only spent $3 on it. Um, anyway, okay. I'm going to start the time when I start talking.
00:40:46
Speaker
and So at in the beginning, ah Boris and Natasha aren't there yet because we're hanging out with fearless leader and he's talking to ah agent X and he's talking about how there's a time shift that reverses time for three seconds and it's really rad. And, but he wants Boris and Natasha to pretend to go get it, but they're just Patsy's so that they can die. So the real guy can find him.
00:41:06
Speaker
Basically they're doing the legwork. So Boris and Natasha are stealing this leg and they get away in a balloon and they go to the United States and Natasha becomes 30 seconds, a straight up model and shit. And it's really rad. And you feel really good for her because it really at its core, it's the story of empowerment for her and straight up.
00:41:25
Speaker
And then a whole bunch of crazy shit happens where some guys, some other guys brother and some guys a spy and some guys not. And then Rocky and Bullwinkle, they are there and they're in Mount Rushmore and it's really silly and they reverse time to the beginning of the movie. And that's why Sid Haig saw three people in the balloon because the scientist guy was in there with them. And at the beginning of the movie, you're like, what?
00:41:48
Speaker
I did it. you You did something, all right. that It is. It is a story of empowerment, Steven. It is. You're not wrong. Unfortunately, those are the elements of the movie that don't work quite as well for me because that's where it kind of gets away from the the Rocky and Bullwinkle. So like that and the spy stuff don't work as well for me as, you know, what they dress up in costumes. I like from the show. I mean, I like that.
00:42:18
Speaker
the obese and like just In the vacuum guide their vacuum in the rugs. They got their missiles Oh Gosh, yeah, it would just again. I love the absurdity of it.
00:42:38
Speaker
And I love the absurdity of the shot where like they're talking and it and it shows all the FBI guys like hanging on cables outside of there. Yes. And then they're like double the amount of dudes. And so they show the shot again. And there's all these guys hanging from cables. I just love the way that like that could be in any movie. And I would be like, oh, that's intriguing.
00:42:55
Speaker
I like that. Or like when they're like, Oh, I will never understand America so much wasted space, you could fit a whole family in this walk-in closet, and coloss you go through the wall, and there's like an entire team of of CIA agents back there. Like, yeah it the the stuff like that is really goofy. and And it's the goofy stuff that I like the most about this movie.
00:43:17
Speaker
Because that's the stuff that really reminds me of the the old Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons. But when you start getting into like the shit with the microchip and the exp ah like the the time travel element that kind of comes in there at the end, like I have no interest in that stuff.
00:43:35
Speaker
Well, see, I I do. I kind of think that those two things really complement each other. And it's something that you'll when you see next week's movie, you will notice a stark contrast between the two films, because what next week's movie does is just makes a live action Rocky and Boinkle. What this movie does.
00:43:54
Speaker
is they take this these silly cartoon characters and actually make them live action characters, which is why the stakes are higher, which is why they have emotional ah emotional plots, you know, and the characters evolve.
00:44:11
Speaker
And I think that it it doesn't work as well as I think they wanted it to after 20 rewrites. But I, for me, like it, I don't know, I like, I like the juxtaposition of those things. And I think that if you're going to make a movie like this, um it is hard to maintain a good tone.
00:44:27
Speaker
Yeah, definitely more like consistent, consistent tone. ah But I think that this movie succeeds more than it fails for me, at least. And it's another one of those movies that was so fucked in the editing process. Yeah. That I don't know how it's as good as it is. I mean, there's definitely this movie. There are definitely elements of it that are not as cohesive as they probably should be, which is a bummer.
00:44:55
Speaker
I agree. Because I really wish this movie were a little tighter.
Character and Style Appreciation
00:45:00
Speaker
And there are some plots that don't seem to really go like the the Natasha as a model doesn't really go anywhere beyond like that newspaper clipping Natasha is missing, like, or the end of the one lady in the hotel going wait, you look familiar to me for some reason. Like, that's that's the last we get of that plot. And it feels like there should be more to that. Like, um I mean, and and the the movie is kind of itself an exploration of the relationship between these two characters. Like, whereas Natasha's kind of always been Boris' second, but like, are they together? Are they not? How do we know? Like, none of that's really ever been made explicitly clear. And this movie tries to clarify a lot of that, which I appreciate for sure. um But then by the same token, you're kind of
00:45:57
Speaker
Just wondering, like, I mean, OK, but. But like, I want more of the goofiness, I want more of the, you know, between WrestleMania and your Sylvania, you know, we have possible. Yeah. Like, I love that shit. Like, that's the goofy wordplay that I really love. I mean, come on, he is the whole climax is he just likes a stick of dynamite. It takes him back to the end of the movie. but That's. ah or at the beginning of the movie, and that's right that's a big goof. I mean, yeah, that is I mean, that is that is a big goof. You're right. um yeah You're not wrong. It is, in fact, a real big goof. No, I do agree with you, Stephen, that it is a messy movie. It's a very messy movie. But but for me. I think despite itself, it everything works for me like and it all kind of works together. And I can see.
00:46:57
Speaker
where you're coming from. But like I said, I really I really enjoy the development of the characters. I like their relationship. I like I think Natasha is very a very well rounded character when I mean, in the cartoon, she's just a Russian lady, a Russian spy lady. Yeah. Now, Boris, on the other hand, I like Dave Thomas. Same. And I like I like Dave Thomas in this movie. But Dave Thomas is not Boris. No.
00:47:29
Speaker
No, not a homegirl is Natasha 100 percent. Right. Sally Kellerman is in fact June for a coached her on the voice. I'll bet June for a was not only not only did she have a cameo as an autograph seeker, you know, oh, I have an aunt from Pennsylvania myself. Like, God, I love you June for a you're the best. I know you you have sadly passed away for many years, but good God, you're a legend. um But like the.
00:47:59
Speaker
ah Like she was also Sally Kellerman's vocal coach for this movie and it Like it shows she does a good job. But then you get you you do you get to Dave Thomas and he's just kind of relying on Like his Dave Thomas thing to kind of get him through there He doesn't even try to do an accent. He accidentally does an accent every once in a while, right and I think
00:48:28
Speaker
I think for this Boris to be Boris. Maybe he is too much of a character, whereas I applaud how they really fleshed out Natasha. I wish they kind of kind of would have gone the opposite with him, because I feel that would have been more true to. The the cartoon, because Natasha was always just following Boris around and Boris was he was a real bad dude.
00:48:57
Speaker
yeah Real bad dude. I mean, look, his last name is bad enough. He's he's bad enough, dude. Yeah. Though, like I said, I do like the resolution. i I think I think if they had kept him as bad as he is in the show up until. She finds him on the bench. I would be OK with his his character sort of evolving at that point, but I don't know. He was just.
00:49:28
Speaker
I was just wasn't Boris. It wasn't Boris to me. Still love this movie. And I think I think Dave Thomas understands the project. He understands what movie he's in. I said he does a good job in this movie, but he's.
00:49:43
Speaker
They couldve could have called him something else like Dave and Natasha. They should have called this movie. Right. Right. he Well, you know who they originally the original casting choice, I think before Jonathan Crane got a hold of it, the original actors, they wanted to play Boris and Natasha in this movie. And I think physically they definitely fit the roles is like Danny DeVito and Angelica Houston. Oh, yeah.
00:50:10
Speaker
Yeah, dude, I would have been under that. That would have fucking rolled back and see Angelica Houston not wanting to do this, particularly if it's right off of either right off of a it would given that it then took them over a year for them to actually edit this thing. They probably didn't have um it was probably filmed before the Addams family or it may have been conflicting with the Addams family.
00:50:34
Speaker
filming. So which is why Angelica Houston would do it. But again, Jonathan Crane steps in and goes, Hey, my wife's gonna be good for this. We're gonna cast her in it. So but yeah, and then she's the one that brings on Dave Thomas. But like, in another world, you can see a Danny DeVito Angelica Houston lead Boris and Natasha movie like getting somewhere.
00:50:58
Speaker
dude Yeah, especially if DeVito himself actually got to direct the thing. Oh, yeah. That what I think that would be beneficial for sure. I love DeVito's directing career. Like I have nothing but good things to say about DeVito as director. Spoilers for next week. There still has not been a good live action Boris. Oh, bummer. Because I like I like I like that actor.
00:51:26
Speaker
In my opinion, it's for me like spoil again spoilers for next week. It's the same as this movie. He's great in the movie, but he's not. I don't know if that's due to the writing or what, but we'll talk about that next week. We will not a satisfying adaptation of Boris. Which is a bummer. Yeah, I mean, they they do a lot more to make him resemble the character physically, though. So I mean, there is that.
00:51:51
Speaker
um But yeah, ah how do you think about how they handled ah Rocky and Bullwinkle, the the surgically altered um these surgically altered human neighbors, Harv and Toots? Harv and Toots.
00:52:10
Speaker
Yeah, dude, um I like I like that a lot. Actually, like I said, when I originally saw it, that was like one of my favorite things about it. Because when you first when you when you watch this movie, like about for about 20 minutes of the movie, you're like, well, ah but is there going to be Rocky and Bullwinkle or whatever or some kind of reference to that? Then after that, you just kind of don't think about it. You're like, oh, we're in this. We're doing this now, this real ground kind of grounded thing you know that we're doing.
00:52:37
Speaker
And then for them to show up at the end and their their people and their secret agents. I think it's brilliant. Mm hmm. I think it's brilliant. I think it's a lot of fun. I love Andrea Martin. I am. She's great in everything. she's Yeah. When she bad, Andrea Martin, like she can go big in ways that few other actors can go back. She's real good. She's real good. Love her. Love what she does. um And I don't really know Uh, the actor that plays Harv from too, too much. He's not an actor that I'm super familiar with. No, me neither. Um, we're both looking him up, so. We, we are. That's the thing we're both doing. It's like he's in a lot of TV shows. He's more of a more of a TV actor, it looks like. John Calvin is the actor's name, not to be confused with the father of Calvinism. Um.
00:53:36
Speaker
His last movie was in 1994, so not long after this. Right before this, he was in Critters 3. Yeah. So, you know, Critters 3. He was in the Airwolf TV movie, too, which means he might have been in the show also. Well, yeah, he was in two episodes of the Airwolf television show.
00:53:58
Speaker
Um, but yeah, uh, just again, kind of like a bit player on a lot of, a lot of TV shows anywhere from like future episode of straight up. Norma Ray. There you go. He did an episode of a quantum leap, a show that I unabashedly love. Dude. Yeah. That's a good show. It is. It is a very good show. Uh, episode of Walker, Texas ranger. Like a lot of his TV appearances are kind of one-offs. Uh, the only series, it looks like he was a regular on his tales of the gold monkey.
00:54:30
Speaker
Which was kind of a What if we told tales about a gold monkey? I think it was an attempt to capitalize on the success of ah Indiana Jones, because it came out the year after Raiders of the Lost Ark. Donald Belisario said it was based on the Howard Hawks film, Only Angels Have Wings.
00:54:52
Speaker
so It's a Donald Belisario show. Angels with filthy souls, is that what you said? That is not what I said. He was also a regular on The Paul Lind Show in the 70s. Oh.
00:55:04
Speaker
I don't know what that is. Paul, you know Paul Lynde, right? I didn't know he had a show. Yeah. I didn't know he had a show. A very short-lived, starred Lynde as Paul Sims, a general practice attorney and the father of a family that consisted of his wife, Martha, and daughters Barbara and Sally. The Sims lived in a fictional city of Ocean Grove, California.
00:55:29
Speaker
Um, but yeah, he was, uh, he, he played Howie Dickinson, um, which is the, the husband of his eldest daughter. So. Word. Yeah. Very cool.
00:55:44
Speaker
Now we know about that guy. Yeah, now we know about that guy. But yeah, Andrea Martin, fucking amazing. Love her to no end. Love that she's in this movie. But then the other thing- She's in Black Christmas too, wasn't she? Wasn't she in the first Black Christmas and then she came back for 2019? Yes. No, not 2019, 2006.
00:56:04
Speaker
Well, whichever one, yeah. She came back from one of them. Yeah. ah Love Alex Rocco. Friends of Eddie Coyle's Alex Rocco. Fucking love that guy. Dude, yeah. Dude, yeah. John Candy has maybe my favorite moment in this movie when he takes a bite of the potato grenade. and yeah I cackled like a mad king. So funny. Because you think it's going to be something like poison.
00:56:32
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, no, it's just a bomb. We're in this movie, so it's a potato grenade. And I think that's what I loved about it is it's just so off the wall and so goofy, like exactly like you want it to be. You get Ron and Clint Howard's daddy, Rance, Bryce's grandpa, Rance Howard, as the polygraph man, the director himself, Charles Martin Smith, as the hotel clerk,
00:56:59
Speaker
And just so you know where he is in his career at this moment, two years before Pulp Fiction, you get a cameo from John Travolta as a guy taking Natasha out on a date. Look who's talking, John Travolta. That's it.
00:57:18
Speaker
um My favorite moment of that movie is when he sings Town Without Pity. Yeah, that's fair. But yeah john che we I feel like we discussed him fairly recently when we talked through um Battlefield area old Earth was the name of that movie. Yeah. Both got there like in at the same time. um But yeah and we'll we'll cover him again when we cover The Punisher. Like we'll we'll get.
00:57:47
Speaker
more Travolta on this podcast, don't fucking worry. But yeah, his like late 80s, early 90s, I guess he's on a bit of an upswing here with Look Who's Talking, Look Who's Talking 2. He's doing all right. Yeah, but the fact that this movie, this movie was probably filmed a couple of years before it actually aired. So we're talking this, he probably filmed this before Look Who's Talking.
00:58:14
Speaker
and So like that movie kind of gave him a little extra shot and then pulp fiction kind of put him over the top like pulp fiction was his return was his resurgence and Honestly, he's been kind of looking for that comeback really ever since I Suppose so <unk> always have urban cowboy Steven will always have urban cowboy. We will Bob Balaban's urban cowboy What? Bob Balaban didn't direct that. You're crazy. No, he's in the movie, though. OK, I was going to say, did not direct it. No, he's he's he's one of the or no, I'm I'm thinking of Midnight Cowboy. Never mind. Yeah, Bob Balaban, the Midnight Cowboy, not very, very, very different, very different movies. Urban and Midnight Cowboys. Yes, sir.
00:59:05
Speaker
You seen Urban Cowboy Steven? I have not, I've seen Midnight Cowboy. It's on my voodoo, check it out. Okay. It's real good. Okay. He plays Bud, and his girlfriend's name is Sissy. I'm currently in the middle- It's like Saturday Night Fever for rednecks, it's fantastic. Oh, okay. I'm currently in the middle of two director washthroughs, so I don't know when I'm gonna get there, but I will get there at some point. Okay.
00:59:33
Speaker
And Mickey, which is directed Urban Cowboy. So I don't know if you're interested in him at all, but I he's not one of the two directors whose filmography I'm watching through right now. OK, I'm just saying to direct the paper chase. No big deal. Sure, sure, sure. No big fucking deal, Steve. You're right. No, you're right. No big deal. The gd paper chase, David. I'm the China syndrome. Let's let's let's that's being fair.
01:00:04
Speaker
Bright Lights, comma, big city, dude. Yeah. That was his last film, Bright Lights, Big City, 1980. But yeah,
01:00:16
Speaker
ah he is not in Boris and Natasha. No, John Travolta is um John Travolta is. Yeah. Yeah, and I was I was kind of expecting a little more from that cameo, but it's still really funny that you just opened a door and John Travolta is there. ha Yeah. And then he just doesn't. And then they just slam the door in his face and he's gone the rest of the movie. It's fun fantastic. It works. It's funny. And I'm sure John Travolta just had to like drive over there one morning. He was there for like maybe an hour. And then he went and sexually assaulted some male masseuse. Like fuck. Who knows? Like you do. Like you do. Like you do.
01:00:53
Speaker
If you're, if you're John Travolta, he's got a redemption arc though. I think, I don't think he's done that in several years. So I hope not. He's rehabilitated. We deserve another shot. You know, I hope so. Yeah. I really truly hope so. Haven't heard anything for awhile for the sake of the masseuses. I hope so.
01:01:13
Speaker
Masoors, is that what they're called? I don't know. Man, I don't know. Man, I don't know. Masoostresses. I think there's a lot of wasted potential in the character of Agent X. Can I just say that? Agreed. You may.
01:01:26
Speaker
Um, like it just, it feels like there should be a lot more to that character. Like that character should show up beyond just the opening. Uh, and then he just never shows up again. And he's, he's very quickly replaced by the guy with the bad shoes, who is revealed to be the brother, the the twin brother of the scientist who created the chip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be like that sometimes. It do.
01:01:55
Speaker
And again, that a very funny moment when we're first introduced to the shoes. Are we just saying this so that you'll, so we can call back to it later? And I'm like, I know you are. And I appreciate you calling that out. Dude, yeah. I don't know. Like this is far from a perfect movie, but I had fun.
01:02:15
Speaker
I had a ton of fun, especially like if you're into that, like it's it's for people who are going to appreciate the shit that we appreciate about it. Like this is made for um maybe. Well, I mean, when I saw it, I was a teenager, but I would say it's mainly focused towards people who were kids when Rocky and Boy who came out. And now they're adults and it hits all of It hits all the check marks. It does this. It does that. It does this thing. All the things that it needs to do. And even for somebody who had just kind of recently got into it as a kid. Right. but I definitely recognize that this was for fans. Like if you're not a fan of the show, like you're saying about your partner, like you're not if you don't have context for this, like who gives a shit like. Yeah.
01:03:06
Speaker
It doesn't have a leg to stand on at all. No, not at all. Like, you're going to look at this and just go, oh, OK, whatever. Fuck it. All right. Yeah. Who fucking cares? Not me, I guess. Yeah. Silly. That's silly. Yeah. And it I mean, it is. Let's be clear. It is deeply silly. But that is why still that is what people like you and I love about it is that it is so fucking silly. This is a deeply silly, silly, silly, silly film.
01:03:34
Speaker
And we love it for its silliness. Like we absolutely do. um It's it's why we love Rocky and Bullwinkle like as as a property. I want to go through and I want to watch all the theatrically released Jay Ward adaptations now like when I want to see if I can watch um George of the Jungle and Dudley do right before I have to watch Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle next week so I can. Those are both pretty good.
01:04:02
Speaker
I remember watching them as a kid. I've seen, this is the only one that ah to date I had not seen. And I've seen it now. um But I remember, I remember seeing George of the Jungle in theaters. I remember renting Dudley Doo, right? Oh, no, I take it back because I've actually not seen next week's movie, The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle. I've not seen it yet. oh um So I'll see it for next week. And then of course, I have seen Mr. Peabody and Sherman as well, the DreamWorks film.
01:04:32
Speaker
I have not seen that what I can say about I didn't see George. It took me a while to see George the Jungle because I've never really been a George of the Jungle fan. I'm not really a fan of Jay Ward outside of Rocky and Boykle, not because that stuff's not good. It's just I haven't really dipped into it. Right. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah.
01:04:53
Speaker
And I mean, I was never a George of the Jungle fan, but that was a big movie. And I was a Brendan Fraser kid that was like 97. And Encino Man was like a constant movie that we rented as a kid. yeah So in the airheads, not a movie that I've seen as much. But yeah, I was on TV a lot. Yeah, I might have caught some of it there. But again, not really not really my bread and butter. It has some pacing issues, but it's really funny.
01:05:21
Speaker
That's the one with Chris Farley and the nipple ring, right? Does he have a nipple ring? He rips some dude's nipple ring out? He's the cop, right? Who like rips a guy's nipple ring out? yeah yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Brendan Fraser and Adam Sandler and Steve Buscemi.
01:05:39
Speaker
And Chuck Mangione, Chuck, Chuck meant the guy in the movies, although he's always a mob guy. Chuck, Chuck, man, Chuck Mangione is a musician. I know, but ah it's similar to that name. He's oh, hey, ah this is weird. Weird pull. um Speaking of movies that are adjacent to children's cartoons, there's a movie with the person I'm thinking of. You know who I'm talking about, man. I'm so mad at you right now. Are you? know Are you talking about Montana? Yeah, Montana. Yes, thank you. I was saying at the same time. So I'm looking at this going, who here plays a gangster? And I'm like, I guess it has to be Joe Montana. Did I say Chuck to?
01:06:27
Speaker
You said Chuck. You you were saying Chuck Mangione. I just want you to know my forehead is sweating right now. So there's a fever currently frying my brain. So I apologize for that. If the listeners at home haven't figured it out right now, Tucker is like on his deathbed. We're basically dead. Yeah. of But no, he plays the DJ in Airheads.
01:06:50
Speaker
And he was in this movie, this really good movie, very this is a get out the straight up list because we're about to add something to it. This movie called Jerry and Tom. And it stars Joe Montagna and um Sam Rockwell. And Sam Rockwell is an apprentice hit man, and Joe Montagna is his ah teacher, the person who's like taking him out and showing him how to do stuff.
01:07:20
Speaker
And it's called Jerry and Tom because MGM wouldn't let them call it Tom and Jerry. Two main characters names are Tom and Jerry. Right. No, I gathered that. I will put it on. It is currently scheduled for 2026. Fuck yeah. Jerry and Tom go watch it. Real good. Real good. Well, when back in the late 90s, when you'd open your door and just like step in a pile of crime thrillers. OK, yeah.
01:07:49
Speaker
One of those came out around at the same time, it's like Boondock Saints and Suicide Kings and all that shit. Oh, God. Yeah. OK. I know exactly what it's one of those. It's one of those. OK. Some of which are good. Like I say, Suicide Kings holds up surprisingly. Does it? I've seen that movie since college, so I can't really speak. I hadn't seen it in a while either, but I watched it about a year ago and I'm like, yeah, I'm still really digging this, especially Johnny Galecki. Johnny Galecki will always be my favorite performance of that movie. Ira, Ira, you are the man.
01:08:22
Speaker
He's great. I love Johnny Galecki when they let him cook. I really do. I mean, he don't get to cook too often. He does not. So when he does, it's it's fun to see. And he's really great in Suicide Kings.
01:08:34
Speaker
I that I will agree with. I mean, you got him, you got Jay Moore, you got Dennis Leary in that movie. Harry had the little kid from E.T., what's his name? Henry henry Thomas. There you go. Yep, he's in it. Yep. And of course, Dennis Leary.
01:08:50
Speaker
It's a that whole it's just this little side plot that's running through the entire movie until they just kind of it kind of comes together. You're like, why are we following these guys for like 45 minutes? You just cut away to him every once in a while. Oh, he's the guy to give him his Thomas let's get to Sean Patrick Flannery is in that movie. Yes. Flannery. That's his name. Yeah. Young Indiana Jones himself. Right. Half of the Boondock Saints. Yes.
01:09:18
Speaker
Yeah, dude. Yeah, ikings go watch it. I have it on DVD if you want to borrow it. I bought that movie from the five dollar bin at Walmart and like ended up, I think, probably selling it to a half round at some point.
01:09:35
Speaker
Um, Jeremy Sisto, the other one that we have not mentioned yet. but I can't believe how many movies that Jeremy Sisto is in that I like. It's insane. that Too many. It's just it's sufferable. Yes, that is the word. He was in he was in a fuck with the name of that show that I really like six feet under yeah for for a couple of seasons. And I was just like, oh, he was the worst part of that show.
01:10:05
Speaker
Well, hey, and and I loved loved that show. ah He was in this movie that was ah Fred Durst's acting debut. Now a twenty fours go to side character actor Fred Durst. Oh, like in every other a twenty four but he was in. I saw the TV glow as the dad. And now he's going to be in that.
01:10:32
Speaker
that Y2K that ah Kyle Mooney directed, he about to be in that too, both A24 movies, like his go-to guy. Don't make that face about a Kyle Mooney movie. I'm not. I'm making it about the fact that I forgot how many episodes of Six Feet Under Jeremy system. Oh, no. No, I understand that face now, then he's in all five seasons and somehow I had blocked out that he was in any beyond season two. The movie I'm talking about is Population 436. And it's this really cool horror movie where
01:11:03
Speaker
um Uh, Jeremy Sisto is a census worker, not like a volunteer, but someone who actually works at the Census Bureau and they've been unable to get accurate census from this specific town.
01:11:18
Speaker
And so he goes there and Fred Durst is ah the cop that he interacts with the most, who's kind of one of those good guys in a bad situation kind of characters. Sure. Kind of like ah like ah Nick Frost in um Hot Fuzz. Good guy in a bad situation kind of thing. Yeah. Same kind of deal. um And the whole twist is as that for some convoluted fucking reason, the town doesn't want their population to change.
01:11:49
Speaker
So it does kind of have is kind of similar to hot fuzz in the way that the town is trying to maintain something by murdering people. um It's really good, though. You should watch. You should watch it. Jayden Martel, Rachel Zegler, Julian Denison, like Fred Durst as himself. Who what is in Y2K? Oh, OK.
01:12:17
Speaker
Um, Lachlan Watson, uh, in that as well, Mason Gooding screams own Mason Gooding, Alicia Silverstone. And this is Kyle Mooney's feature film directorial debut. Tim Heidecker. So I'm very excited. Very excited. Because you know, that's my guy, right? Yes, Tucker. Anyone is my guy. Anyone with even a passing familiarity with you as a human being is familiar. I've seen Briggs v. Bear.
01:12:45
Speaker
No, it's on the straight up list, dude. I was just about to ask that. I was like, it better be. It is. It is. Oh, every K on there, too, if you want. Every part of my body hurts. um'm I'm sorry about that, dude. I true. So I keep moving because I can't get comfortable because all of my bones ache. Well, you know what? Let's let's wrap this some bitch up.
01:13:11
Speaker
You can talk box office. oh Let's talk. Well, there is no box office because it was made for TV film, but i have to pee really bad. So should we stop right now? Or do you have a lot to say where I could pee and just listen? I mean, I can I can do the box office for that weekend. It only take me about two minutes to pee because I only sang Happy Birthday once when I wash my hands. Sorry. I don't got that kind of time. You know what I'm saying? I got that kind of time.
01:13:37
Speaker
All right, well, let me tell you this. Boris and Natasha, the movie debuted on Showtime on April 17th, 1992, and that is a weekend. So the weekend grows oh at number one that weekend in its fifth weekend in release, a movie we also cannot cover because it got a sequel, Basic Instinct, Michael Douglas, Shannon Stone, the Paul Verhoeven film,
01:14:03
Speaker
um In second place, speaking of Wesley Snipes, ah white men can't jump. They can't scientifically proven. Wesley Snipes told us so. And Woody Harrelson proved it. um In third place, you have Beethoven.
Box Office and Movie Discussions
01:14:22
Speaker
Like, this is kind of a weird box office week because the the movie, the highest Placed new movie is at number five. um Coming in at number four, down from number one the weekend before is Sleepwalkers in its second week. Apparently not a good multiplier, Sleepwalkers. I'm trying to remember which one that is. That's the, oh, Mark Hamill, Stephen King. It's a Mick Harris film, no wonder. Okay, that makes sense.
01:14:52
Speaker
Oh, Mick Garris, the best fan, not the best director. Hmm. He's done so much for the genre. He really has behind the scenes, but I don't I don't I don't think a lot of his movies are very good. I kind of right there with you with Mick Garris. He's done so much. I appreciate the fuck out of him. I really do.
01:15:11
Speaker
Like we wouldn't have Masters of Horror without that motherfucker. Correct. For one. I mean, yeah, and he he has done so much to promote horror as a genre like it's his his his influence cannot be understated or overstated.
01:15:29
Speaker
over We love you, McGarrus. We just don't really like your movies. Right, sorry. Sorry to say that. um In fifth place, at the the highest rated number one or film opening this weekend, ah The Babe.
01:15:42
Speaker
That is the the John good john and Goodman, the babe. I had a a friend of mine and in elementary school, um ah Justin Knapp. Hi, Justin, if you're listening. He auditioned for that movie because he was a portly young child. And he was kicked out of the audition because they were like giving all the kids like numbers and having them like number off. And he just decided to be a smart ass. So when they asked for his number, he said one number and they kicked him out of the audition.
01:16:13
Speaker
Wasn't he one of Tom Hanks neighbors in the burps? Uh, John Goodman? No, the naps. He was a nap. Your friend was a nap, so he's one of the naps. No. They put him in the trunk at the end. Spoilers for the burps. No, this is the guy who um he was like the first person to get a million edits on Wikipedia. Like he's actually got his own Wikipedia article. Would you say he's prolific?
01:16:38
Speaker
Um, I mean, he, he wasn't, he was at that time, uh, really, really good. Sounds familiar too. And the fact that we grow up, grew up so adjacent to each other kind of makes me wonder if I know that dude. There's his Wikipedia page. So sounds really, really familiar.
01:16:57
Speaker
His birthday's coming up. I make sure I text him. and He looks familiar, too. How do I know this guy? He's he's kind of one of those like raconteur kind of persons, like just kind of someone who is very knowledgeable about a lot of things.
01:17:13
Speaker
um But yeah, he's I mean, good dude, like really, really solid dude. ah Ran into him at my 20th high school reunion a couple of years ago and still just really solid dude. He has his own Wikipedia holiday. He does. Yeah, because again, he was the first person to ah hit a million edits on Wikipedia. That's fantastic. Yeah. Like and you don't get paid for that shit either. No.
01:17:42
Speaker
No. I mean, that should just tell you the degree to which this guy is prolific, honestly, if nothing else. yeah I don't think he does it so much anymore, but it was a time. Yeah. Was a time. Yeah. In sixth place, Deep Cover, the Bill Duke film Deep Cover, which fucking rules. Have you seen Deep Cover, Tucker?
01:18:08
Speaker
No, but you told me to, so it's on my list. You need to see Deep Cover. I know, it's on my list. Lawrence Fishburne, Jeff Goldblum. Yeah, I know. Directed by fucking Bill, motherfucking Duke. Dude, yeah. Dude, yeah. In seventh place, a movie I know nothing about, City of Joy.
01:18:28
Speaker
shrug What if there was a city full of joy? What if there was a city of joy? In eighth place, Fern Gully, dot, dot, dot, The Last Rainforest. Hey, I mean, that's the first movie on this list I even remotely have ever given a fuck about. There you go. um And in ninth place, here's a movie you probably gave some fucks about, Wayne's World.
01:18:48
Speaker
Coming in at number nine that movie. That's a really good movie. Party time. Excellent. In 10th place. Thunderheart, whatever the fuck that is. Oh, oh, wait. No, no, that's OK. Interesting story. Thunderheart. Thunderheart is this movie and Val Kilmer plays an FBI agent and something goes on on a reservation like a murder or whatever. And so he has to go and take care of that. And it's all about like the intricacies of the relationship of like Native tribes and You know, like not native people and how like jurisdictions and laws kind of like fuck around and all that stuff. And cool thing, how I learned about this movie is, um, uh, at the beginning of my first marriage. Um, I can say that now um as a beginner, you can now at the beginning of my first marriage, my then wife and I were moving to Montana and we were driving out there.
01:19:43
Speaker
And I want to say it was in South Dakota or somewhere around there. We hopped at a little hotel and it was one of those when you get into those in the middle of the United States where there's no population, like you'll drive on the interstate for a really long time and then there'll be an exit and you have a gas station, a restaurant and a hotel.
01:20:04
Speaker
And then a little neighborhood behind it where all the people that work at all those places live or own those places. And that's the whole fucking town. yeah It's like three businesses and 15 houses. And that's the whole town. And so we stopped at one of those little towns and the hotel that we stayed at was the one of the main locations in the film Thunderheart. And they had like pictures on the wall and like autographs from Val Kilmer and all the other people that were in the movie and stuff.
01:20:32
Speaker
Um, it has, it has since closed. Unfortunately, it may have been demolished, but I can say I got to stay there before. And that's how I knew about that movie. And because I stayed there, I was like, Oh, I should see that then. Because like, it was like a ah mid nineties crime thriller, you know? So with Val Kilmer, like I'm into it, whatever, let's do it. And it's pretty all right. It's okay. It's a dad move. Watch it with your dad, Steven.
01:20:59
Speaker
i don't have I don't feel like I'm going to be watching too many more movies with my dad, to be honest with you. ah But if you do, if you find yourself in a situation where you and your dad have to watch a movie, choose Thunderheart. And I'm going to go through the next few on the list, too, because in 11th place, you got fucking my cousin Vinny. Love that movie. Nice.
01:21:15
Speaker
Nice. and Probably in it's like seventh month. Yeah, I am probably what ah my six weeks. Oh, wow. for Six weeks in 12th place. I mean, this one's been around for a while. 17 weeks fried green tomatoes.
01:21:31
Speaker
Oh, at the Whistle Stop Cafe. At the Whistle Stop Cafe. get yourself some Get yourself some barbecue. That's a pretty good movie. Kind of a forgotten classic, sort of. People used to fucking love that movie, and I think everybody's just kind of forgotten about it. Right. And then in 13th place, still hanging in. ah Beauty and the Beast, 23 weeks in, still hanging out in the top 15. So there you go.
01:21:57
Speaker
There's the box office the tomatometer score. There isn't one. ah There's only one review, a critic review on Rotten Tomatoes is from TV Guide. The ah score is a two out of four for a TV Guide. ah but Saying it's at least 80 minutes too long is the review there. And you give it a two out of four. That's like a that's like I mean, you'd say that for something with one star or like zero star, or zero, right? What's their rating system like to where you have four stars, you give out two and you call it like a piece of shit. Right. like Right. Doesn't make any any sense.
01:22:36
Speaker
um The metare Metascore though, Metacritic does have a score, 38 based on seven generally unfavorable critic reviews. And finally, we come to Letterbox. Tucker, care to give the Letterbox ranking a go. I'm sorry, has Letterbox seen this movie?
01:22:56
Speaker
ah Yes, there is. ah There there are letterboxed rankings enough to have an aggregate. I know that I'm going to be wrong because I just have high hopes, but I'm going to say it's going to be in between two point eight and three point four. Tucker, it's a two point nine. ah I did it. I did it. I can't believe it.
01:23:24
Speaker
You did, you did it, you did it. Tucker out of five stars, how do you ah rate 1992's Boris and Natasha? That's a three for me, a solid three, like with a bullet, like the most solid three possible. Yeah, the epitome of the gentleman six. I'm giving you a three as a compliment, is what that means.
01:23:49
Speaker
It's a two and a half for me. That's because I think I do like it just slightly less than you. ah But again, I have fun. Like I cannot deny that I'm having a good time with this movie. I think I think you we like the same things about this movie. It's just I think they all work better than you do.
01:24:07
Speaker
I think that's what it is. I think that's what it ultimately comes down to. um But again, not not mad at this movie, even a little bit. So, yeah, I I'm happy to would would would happily watch this again ah at some point. So, yeah, there
Episode Conclusion and Personal Anecdotes
01:24:26
Speaker
you go. That's that is our ranking. That is our episode. Like we we straight up did it, though. We did it. We did it. Straight up did it.
01:24:38
Speaker
um tucker Tucker, I don't know, man, we we did it. I don't know what else to say. it um This has been our episode. And so with that, um let's i don't know let's fucking land this plane. um We are the disenfranchised podcast. you Find us on the internet wherever you get your podcasts, leave us a five star rating and review when you do. um That is a great way to support us. If you'd like to support us monetarily as well, boy, howdy, would we appreciate it.
01:25:08
Speaker
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01:25:33
Speaker
um And i there is a there's a ah ah ah motion that has been floated through the group chat of attempting to record a another What Are We Watching for this month. So hopefully we'll get that in the books and beyond the lookout for that.
01:25:49
Speaker
um You can find us on most forms of social media. I will tell you I've nuked the Twitter account. The Twitter account is nice. Fuck yeah, dude. We're officially off of Twitter. I am officially off of Twitter. Twitter is dead to me. um It's just dead. it just fuck that Fuck that platform. like Absolutely. Fuck that platform. um So, yeah, that's where we are with that. um But yeah, you can find us on Blue Sky, Instagram, mostly Instagram. Find us on Instagram at Instagram at disenfranch pod. You can find me, I'm your host, Steven Foxworthy. You can find me on at at chewy walrus on most forms of social media, just not Twitter.
01:26:42
Speaker
um You can find the absent Brett Wright who last we checked is on ah an urgent mission to Potsylvania. We wish him a speedy return. ah You can find him on Instagram and the letterbox at sus underscore warlock. He has actually been posting a little bit on blue sky recently too at sus warlock.
01:27:02
Speaker
Um, as well, I don't know if he wants me to tell people that, but I'm going to bad. You be here and that you can control the narrative a little better. Um, and, uh, Tucker, what about you? Where can we find you on the socials? Well, I'm glad you asked even because I'm available to look at on YouTube and Instagram but at ice 909 that's I C E N I N E the number zero and the number nine.
01:27:32
Speaker
Uh, also I got that tuck mugs, tuck underscore mugs, uh, check it out if you haven't already. If you are already ah a follower, um, I'm sure something will happen soon. Like it's still alive. I probably would have posted a soup mug if I hadn't been sick. I can't eat soup from a mug when I'm sick because I don't have as much control over my muscles. You know, like I get.
01:27:59
Speaker
Like, I get chills and like, let me tell you about multiply. Let me tell you what happened last night, Steven. So I went to bed at 10 o'clock. I didn't even watch Saturday Night Live. You believe that shit? I think this is the first time in years that I have elected not to watch Saturday Night Live it outside of when Elon Musk or Donald Trump hosted, which I just didn't watch those out of principle. Right.
01:28:24
Speaker
Yeah, I don't give a fuck how funny they are. I've not watched it. but Anyway, lucky you they're not. So this is the first time in a very long time that I have elected not to watch Saturday Night Live. I tried. I tried so hard, but I could feel the chills coming on. And so I figured I needed to be under that fucking blanket when that hit.
01:28:41
Speaker
And so I rolled into my bed at like 10 o'clock until six o'clock this morning, Steven, I was sweating and shivering at the same time. Let me tell you something that happened around midnight. um I decided to barf Steven around midnight. And let me tell you, when you have the chills,
01:29:02
Speaker
And you have to get out from under those covers to the barf. It's the worst thing in the world because I'm freezing my ass. I'm shattering and shaking and shivering and barfing at the same time. And like in hindsight, it's hilarious. But like while it's happening, it's the worst thing in the world. It's like your core, like when you get the chills, your core. Oh, I mean, everybody knows I'm sure everybody's gotten the chills, but it feels like there's an ice cube in your fucking core in your core. Yeah.
01:29:31
Speaker
got to get under a blanket dude nothing else will work or bathtub bathtub work for me but I don't have a fucking bathtub unfortunately and I'm a bath guy I saw her man I'm a soaker that's the worst thing three damn bathrooms in this house and the one that's not attached to a bedroom has a space large enough for a tub but the motherfuckers that lived here before us turn that into a full-size shower assholes I can't soak Steven, you know how much better I would feel these last three weeks of being sick. Um, if I could just soak, if you know, I could just soak for a bit and just I get it real hot. So like I'm sweating, like I'm basically inducing fever, right you know, no and I, whenever I can soak at my, at any time I want, I get better so much quicker. I can stand in the shower, but after about five minutes, I feel like I'm wasting so much water.
01:30:24
Speaker
Yeah, that's the downside. Yeah, I mean, because you can sit in there like kind of curl up into a little ball and just steam like you can just steam in the shower. And that's that's kind of nice. Yeah, but after a while, I'm like, fuck.
01:30:39
Speaker
I don't want to waste more water than this. Like I basically, I take the time that I would normally take to take an actual shower, like wash my hair and wash everything. I don't do that. I just get in under the really hot water and I'm like, all right, that's about the time it would take me to wash up better. goodel It's okay. My face is wet. So you can't see the tears. Ah.
01:31:03
Speaker
Anyway, yeah, so ah I haven't eaten soup out of a bug in the last three weeks. You need to make yourself some like broth or bouillon or something. Hey, um don't tell anybody, Steven, but I've ah started my vegetarian vegetation ve vacation. Oh, okay, good for you. i will I will be Omni until January 1st.
01:31:27
Speaker
Okay, right on. Fantastic. I was so scared. I was so scared because it's so it's so rough to do it right to get back into it right because it's like psychologically, it's weird. And like, of course, your stomach's not used to that stuff anymore. So you have to be careful. Yeah. And I'm finally to the point to where I think I could probably eat anything and be okay.
01:31:53
Speaker
So that's exciting. That is exciting. And to be clear, though, I'm not I'm still only eating meat like every two or three days. I'm writing it every day because it's still kind of weird. I'm going to eat it. I'm like, this is good, but. That's meat, though. Yeah, I got a couple of giant ass bags of base gallops at Aldi today, so I'm going to be I'm going to be doing those up in some risottos and shit.
01:32:20
Speaker
I had smoked sausage, Steven. I had birthday dinner. That's what I had. You know, smoked sausage is my favorite food of all time. And it's one of the main things that the plant based world has not gotten right. I believe they can't do it. They can't do it. ah It I used to smoke my own. I've i've told you this, right? You just smoke. Yeah, I think you i had a smoker. um Yeah. Just buy a 12 pack of bratwurst from Aldi and just put them on the smoker for like 45 minutes to an hour.
01:32:49
Speaker
And then I love slice them up and like scramble them with some some eggs and some potatoes in the morning for like a really easy breakfast hash. Delightful. I love all smoked sausages, but my favorite will always be Eckridge because it has this very specific flavor to it. And it cooks up real nice. I also really like something I like.
01:33:12
Speaker
You get the Johnsonville, like the bun sized ones and you put it on a bun, just horseradish sauce. That's it. OK, it is. It is a nice, quick little lunch, like if you're about to go do something crazy and you got to get some carbs in there, some salt and shit so you can sweat it out. Yeah, dude. Straight up horseradish sauce. How? See, i I would do my smoked sausage, my homemade smoked sausages I would do with brown mustard. And that was it.
01:33:42
Speaker
Ooh, yeah, I bet that's good. It was real, real good. Yeah, I also like smoked sausage. In fact, when I had my heart attack, I was, my first one, I was pretty much a steady diet of sausage. I had to cut that shit right out. Yeah. That's a shame. To you, the sausage, to me, the cigarette, Steven.
01:34:03
Speaker
It's gonna get us one day. Yeah, i i gave up I had to give up pipe smoking after my heart attack too. so And that's so fancy though. It makes you look so dapper. i'm i there You and Sammy both. Right? I mean, Sam looks way better doing it than I do. He's got the hair. You can't fuck with that guy's hair. You cannot fuck with that guy's hair. he has a Fantastic.
01:34:26
Speaker
perfect head of hair. And as I've said previously on the podcast, I think it's because of that horrendous bowl cut he had when he was in about third grade. It feels like he has to make up for it. And let me tell you what, I don't care the reason his hair looks fantastic on point every time I see this man in his adult life. Yeah.
01:34:43
Speaker
Oh, of course, talking about friend of the show, past and future guests, same with Dumas. He will absolutely back. I've got him on the schedule. I don't think he knows I have him on the schedule, but I have him on the schedule for now. yeah It's been a while. I miss Sammy. I don't get to talk to him as much as I used to. I have him on the schedule twice for next year, actually. Nice. So, yeah. Yeah. Tuck mugs, tuck underscore mugs. I'll get some mugs on there at some point. I have tired of waiting. I just need to throw it. Do it. Throw it. Throw up, Steven, while you have the chills.
01:35:13
Speaker
Um, no, throw those up there just whenever. Uh, but I was also going to say if, if people who are subscribed to tuck mugs, if you're craving content, you know, be, be the change you want to see in the world, send us a guest mug. There it is. We love guest mugs. I love guests. I love my mugs, but you know what I love even more seeing other people's mugs. Yeah. He loves his mugs, but he loves your mugs even more. Show us your mugs. Show us your mugs.
01:35:46
Speaker
And that that's our episode. That is our episode on Boris and Sasha. Join us next year for folks to next year. Next week. You said next year. You also said Shannon Stone instead of Sharon Stone, but I was peeing so I couldn't correct you. OK, well, I have people are sleeping. I couldn't yell from the bathroom. You understand. I understand. I had two cocktails during this record. So I like that movie with Tom Tom Cruise.
01:36:14
Speaker
where he does the bartender stuff and he does all the tricks. He learned that at TGI Fridays. Did you know that? I did know that. Yes. And they're going bankrupt. That bar is loosely based on. Well, it's because they're all bought up by these fucking hedge funds that really just want the real estate. And so they end up like tanking them all. It's bullshit. Any shame. Their
Teaser for Next Episode
01:36:34
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cage and pasta is fantastic.
01:36:36
Speaker
Join us next week for the second half of our Rocky and Bullwinkle anniversary celebration, when we cover 2000, the year 2000, the adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle. So until then, this has been the Distant Franchise Podcast for my co-host Tucker, the absent Brett Wright, and myself. Until next time, it's good to be bad.
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