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204 - Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992)
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“All I want to do is graduate from high school, go to Europe, marry Christian Slater, and die.”
The gang’s all here to discuss this horror-comedy classic! In addition to our discussion of the various actors involved (including the late, great Donald Sutherland), we also take time to dig into the career of Sasha Jenson, do some armchair psychologizing of Joss Whedon, debate whether separating art from artist is possible, and take a very special trip to Brett’s Video Game Corner!
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Introduction and SpookyThon Week 3
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I want to be in the sequel intro with the theremin notes If you're gonna do it do it. It's spooky sod man fucking do it. Oh, wait, wait, can I get something there? Can you guys hear it?
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you know dropdown now i'm just hearing There we go Yeah, there you go. Whatever. Oh, hey. Tucker got a sermon, you guys. I got a sermon, you guys. and And that is how we start SpookyThon week three. What an auspicious beginning.
Podcast Dynamics and Guest Introduction
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This is the disenfranchised podcast for that podcast, all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first
00:01:23
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Film. I am your host, Steven Foxworthy, the guy who has to invite them because they're seniors. And joining me as always, man, who's not a name, it's a realtor. Hey, Tucker. Hello, Steven. How's it going? Man, it goes. It goes. I'm drinking a rum and Coke and I'm having a good night. Oh, yeah that's fantastic. I'm actually drinking my second rum and Coke right now because I drank the first one.
00:01:52
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during the pre-show chatter. Also joining us, the man, the myth, the legend, back because we're talking vampires and he's contractually obligated to be here for the vampire episodes. It's my OG co-host, Brett Wright. Hey, Brett, what up?
00:02:11
Speaker
Hello, Steven. Oh, I like that. awesome like That's my spooky sound intro. I love it. Also, I guess i'm I'm second build now. I mean, by off I say as always and you're you you were not always here anymore. So look, you got a point. It used to be as always and you're it's not as old. And if I entered if I do intro you first, as always, then it's I'm just like, as always, but not really.
00:02:39
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Yeah, you're right. That's true. Yeah. And we held out for a long time, too, because there was about a year there where Stephen was introducing your first even when you weren't there. He'd be like, Oh, Brett's taking out with Oscar Isaac's in the born supremacy or whatever. i And i I do even still try to connect it to whatever movie we're covering when you're not here.
00:03:03
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Like, like last week, I think I said you were getting you you walked off to get your tire aired up. And we hope you made it back. Okay, like just stuff like that. Just tying it into the movie. i You know, look i um I would know that if I listened to the show, but you don't. It's not a demotion, Brett. It's not a demotion. It's a lateral move.
00:03:26
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Like, I mean, but you're still the OG like now that you totally have seniority. It totally makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody to blame but myself. and I mean, I was going to say, really, you can you can you can blame your employer. That'd be a good place to start. I could blame the employer. Yes. I'm still the FNG. I will. Honestly. You know what? and I'll blame them right there with you. Yeah, me too. Absolutely. Take that employer.
00:03:54
Speaker
Hey, hey, you guys, do you want to do you want to say their name and I'll be bleep it out? Because I can get it out. You know, I can beat that shit out. Tucker just itching to bleep shit. Do you want some catharsis, Brett? Say that shit loud and proud. Fuck it, I'll say it. Their name is. Yeah. That's a nice beef. That was a good beep. Oh, that's a good quality beep. That's a nice beep. I love when Brett is just like, fuck it, I'll say it.
00:04:25
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um like That might be that might be my new favorite bread ism is fucking I'll say it and look i Look man, I can't take credit for that. That's so what we do in the shadows quote. I'm even can you? and stephen can you appropriate you Hashtag that can you hashtag that in the socials hashtag?
00:04:42
Speaker
You could do that, right? No, don't do that. I could, and sure but I will. They're all you're also thinking on social media. No, they are. To the extent
Change of Movie for SpookyThon: Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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to the extent that i e I did something fairly and I had someone who recently was from there contact me and say, hey, can you that it's affecting my. um Yeah, like that's the extent to which they are online.
00:05:11
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Wow, i mean let i'm let me write down timestamp here. As much as I want to say more to that, I can't because the more I say, the less ambiguous it is. Correct, correct.
00:05:25
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In fact, you may you may want to bleep some more of that shit that I just said, too, because. Oh, man. I'll choice words to where people can follow the story, but they don't know in the specifics. Yeah. Like, I mean, if you want to put in the maybe the da dadada da da da da da da music, like the technical difficulties music, maybe that might be a good idea. That's all beeps. It's all beeps. OK. I was going to say, I forgot that's your M.O. is just beeping as much as possible. Yeah, and I'm I'm I'm. Move the.
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I move the play header command V move the play header command V beep beep beep. You're out. Peace. And while we're no more while we're on the subject, I just I have to say it. Would you? Brett? Brett? No. You know what? Oh, fuck. Oh, no. OK. No. OK. Fuck it. I'll say it. Are you telling me you're not going to say Brett? No, you're screaming, right? OK.
00:06:22
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no I'm not going to I'm not going to play along with you. No, he's not. like And man, he's going to do it when we least expect it's a like mid pod in deep in a conversation like and he's just like, you guys, how I really feel is.
00:06:40
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Oh, God, we are punchy as fuck tonight. It's a good night. It is. And it's not even technically late for me. I was going to say. But I'm still I'm I have not slept well the past week. I mean, this is already past my bedtime. ah So like we're just we're in this zone and I've been drinking. This is this road on the show then, shall we?
00:07:06
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Let's do it. So it's week three of spooky thought and as promised, we are covering a movie we were planning on covering months ago, because we had this one on the schedule when ah the late great Donald Sutherland passed away back in June. ah Life found a way as it is want to do.
00:07:23
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And we replaced it with our Italian job episode from early in the pod. ah But we we've said, hey, let's circle back to it for Spookython. And hey, guess what? It's
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992) Film Discussion
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Spookython now. So we're circling back. And Tucker, this is a favorite of yours. What are we talking about?
00:07:40
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Well, if I could first say that that episode, the Italian job ah revisited is our most streamed episode on YouTube with like 300 views. That's insane. Out of all the episodes. Like we have some that have like upwards of 200, but that one's by far the biggest one. We are talking about 1992.
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Buffy the vampire slayer, the movie asterisk, the movie asterisk. Before we get too far away from it, I feel like we brought up the Italian job. I have to mention some of the real quick tangent. Please sort of Halloween adjacent. Yeah. Um, I was watching we do weird, you know, the girlfriend and I are doing that poster where you scratch off and you watch a horror movie based on what you scratch off. Hell yeah. We scratched off the scream saga.
00:08:32
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The poster does this sometimes. Instead of just a movie, it'll say a whole franchise. You're like, I don't have time, it's one day. Fuck that. Well, we got we got sucked into the legendary monster burst because of that. Because it was just like, King Kong franchise. We're like, damn. what Let's watch Skull Island because it's really good. OK, but which King Kong franchise? Because there's three.
00:08:57
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Well, that it didn't specify. There's the 30s franchise, the 70s franchise, and then the legendary franchise. I think it meant the original 30s franchise, but she's not a real like black and white movie person. and like legend It's aesthetic. The Skull Island one with John C. Riley. John Goodman. Yeah. Yeah. John Goodman. Good one. Because it is really good. Brie Luxon. Samuel Jackson. Is Samuel Jackson in that one? Tom Hiddleston. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good cast. It's a really good cast. It's a really good movie. I really enjoyed it. I like the movie. I think the cast is still better than the movie. Oh. Like I like the movie. But I think the cast is better than the movie. I would agree. Yeah. So that that's what i we got. We like we watched that one. And she was like, I want to watch the rest.
00:09:44
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So we did. um so But anyway, so as we were we're watching this rewatching screen. Look, sometimes you just want to watch a giant monkey punch a giant lizard. You do. You do. And then you want to watch other movies of that same giant monkey punching other creatures, not necessarily that giant lizard. Correct. But sometimes that giant lizard too. Sometimes other giant lizards.
00:10:07
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Yeah, yeah, that's true. Sometimes other giant monkeys as is the newest one, which is okay, surprisingly. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, it was like it was direct to streaming, probably why. um But anyway, so we're why where we watching the screen franchise because it's like her favorite horror franchise.
00:10:26
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Yeah, dude. And, uh, I noticed that, you know, there's that the, the very iconic line that we talked about a lot in our episode in the Italian job remake of the, what fine stands for. Oh yeah. Um,
00:10:45
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Sydney's college friend in Scream 2, because Sydney keeps saying she's fine. Her roommate? Yeah, her roommate, yes. okay Her roommate says that to her as a real like quick throwaway line that I never caught before.
00:11:00
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But now that we like made fun of it in the Italian job remake episode, I like, it was acutely aware nice of what fine stands for. That's awesome. and all It all comes together. It did. It was nice. And I had a chance to bring it up. So I did anyway. Yeah. I liked that. Thank you for sharing, Brett.
00:11:19
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So anyway, we're talking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer from 1992, directed by Fran Rubel-Kazooie, written by someone named Josh Whedon, I don't know, who cares, ah and starring Christy Swanson, Donald Sutherland, the late, great Donald Sutherland. And speaking of late and great, Paul Rubens, also, you know what, we'll just keep the lates and greats going, Rutger Hauer.
00:11:45
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And Luke Perry. yeah Yeah, we've lost all three of those gentlemen. um All four, because donald trump that that's four. um Also, Michelle Abrams, Hilary Swank in her first ever movie. Hello. ah Paris Vaughn, David Arquette.
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Uh, who else? We got Steven Root, the great Steven Root. Thomas Jane is in this movie. Ricky Lake, Ben Affleck, Seth Green, Alexis Arquette. Like, we got some names in this movie. In fact, I might go so far as to say, what a cast. That guy agrees with me. What a picture.
00:12:22
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Now I'd like to mention that Seth Green's scenes were cut from the film. He's not actually in the film. He is in a brief blink and you miss it moment. Like you see him, but like he was actually in it before they cut him out and he's just like remnants of him in the background. He's on the VHS box art actually. That's true.
00:12:41
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Can we also mention ah Sasha Jensen? um Because there for a minute, he was in every movie I was watching. I'll allow it. He was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He was in Halloween Four. And he was in Days to Confused. And I was watching those three movies like all at the same time. So he was like the guy there for a minute for just a very brief moment. He was also in the the ABC TGIF show Teen Angel.
00:13:08
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word. Guy hasn't done anything in a while. I think he just kind of retired. Now his parents were big showbiz people. His dad was like a stuntman and his mom was ah like a Hungarian actress or something, something real fancy. um So maybe he just kind of felt like he needed to do that. And then maybe he got to a certain point in his life where he was like, you know what, I think I want to do something else.
00:13:29
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his la His last last dot. Hmm. Wow. let Let's try that again. His last credit that is not a documentary is the 2013 Clark Gregg film. Trust me. Yeah. And when I say Clark Gregg film, I mean written, directed and starring Clark Gregg. A.K.A. Agent Coulson from the Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase One.
00:13:56
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Also in state and Maine. Right. Which is a movie I try to mention as often as possible. Also, The New Adventures of Old Christine, a TV show that fucking rips. That's what I've heard.
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Sasha Jensen, though, I think ah maybe ah because I feel like he could still be working like TV and stuff. That's why it feels like maybe he was just like, I want to do something else. and Speculation doesn't matter. ah just I mean, it's interesting that he is there. he He took a big there was a big break between 96 and 2003. He's in a or I guess 95. He's in a short film in 96.
00:14:34
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And then it doesn't appear in anything again until 2003 where he's in a little crazy and grind. ah But the stuff that he does when he comes back is not super noticeable stuff. Like it's not like nothing nothing he does is that big like the I would say the last big thing he's in is probably dazed and confused in 93.
00:14:58
Speaker
yeah He was good in that. So maybe he just maybe he just never hit after that. And that's kind of just figured, you know what, I'll just cut my losses. Yeah, and that's fine. I enjoyed what we got of him. There you go. I like him in this movie. like He's one of the best things about Halloween four. And I like because there's not a lot of good stuff about Halloween four, let's be honest.
00:15:19
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ah You know, the best thing about Halloween four is that it yeah is five. It's better than five. I mean, there you go. but That's true. The low point of the series for me, because at least six was interesting. It was stupid and it sucked. but It was interesting. It kept my attention because I was like, what crazy bullshit is going to happen next? Kind of like Jason goes to hell where you're like, where is this going? I don't know, but I've got to got to find out.
00:15:44
Speaker
I still maintain the low point of the Halloween franchise is resurrection. But ah but that one's one for me that's so bad that it's good. i'd see i can't go there like I can't come around the other side on that one. I'm sorry. you neith Also, I really love Tyra Banks and I really love Busta Rhymes. And the fact that they're both in this and they're silly as fuck kind of it's a terrible Halloween movie. In fact, it's a terrible movie. But there's I'm just saying there's some fun to be heard there. If you say so, I'm going to take your word for it because I'm not going to watch it again. As long as you fast forward through the very beginning. That negates the entire ending of H2O, corrects.
00:16:25
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Well, of course it negates the ending of H2O because if it doesn't, we can't have a movie. Yeah. And that was in the contract, too, for H2O. Oh, I know that they had to to retcon at the beginning of the next one. I would have been like, no, not worth it. No, or that. Fuck it. Whatever. Yeah. Ruin it. Don't don't make a good one and then ruin it. Not worth it. I love I love Jamie Lee standing by her guns and saying, then you fucking kill me. And they're like, all right.
00:16:53
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Yeah. Look, we wrote you out for three for four movies like we're not precious about this shit. Like we will kill you. I just want to cash a check. Exactly. and So Sasha Jensen again. Fantastic. And just in all the things I was watching there for a few years. There you go. Yeah. Very, very unique face. Very recognizable face. ah So this is one that we have on and off throughout our time.
00:17:21
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um doing this podcast debated as to whether or not we would ever do this movie. um Particularly after the, the weeding of it all ah surfaced and we all kind of realized what an awful dude that guy was. um But you know what, a lot of other people worked on this movie and it's still kind of fun. So we're covering it. And we're gonna say just right off the bat. Fuck Joss Whedon.
00:17:52
Speaker
You fuck that guy. Yeah. I'm going to say that the more time that goes by, the more I realize that most creative people making these films suck. Yeah. Human beings. So I've just kind of I've resigned myself to not give a fuck anymore, and they except in extreme cases, like with the jeepers creepers guy. I'm like, no, fuck no, that guy. Oh, fuck that guy. But like there's a line to where I'm like, I don't fucking care. Whatever. I really like this movie like.
00:18:22
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Sorry. Right. It's really good. I mean, yeah and there are there are a couple of people in this movie that are not great, like in um terms of like their who they are as people or their personal politics. But um we we can enjoy this movie for the for for what it is as as a piece of art, um which is not to say that everything that I like everything about this movie, because I got issues for sure.
00:18:47
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with this movie, but you know, the more times I watch this, the less issues I have with it. And this is steady on my rotation. I'd say I watch it every two to three years.
00:19:00
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And every time I watch it, I like it a little bit more. Every time I watch it, that second act, the pacing is seeing is a little better. So let me so let's let's let's get right into it, Tucker. How did you first discover this film Buffy the vampire slayer from the year of our lord 1992. I watched it on HBO, ah probably 95 96 whenever I was probably like 13 excuse me 1314. And I really
90s TV Viewing Habits and Comparisons
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dug it like I really, really dug it. um
00:19:38
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I really liked the concept. It was a really unique concept, something that hadn't really been done before. I really loved Christy Swanson in that movie. I think she really does something with that character that makes it really iconic, even though it's separate from what most people would consider the iconic portrayal of the character.
00:20:02
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So I've always loved it. Um, in fact, I loved it so much when the TV series came out, I watched the first couple episodes when they aired and I wasn't interested because it, that wasn't my Buffy. Uh, now years later, hashtag not my Buffy.
00:20:18
Speaker
years later, around 2008, I did watch the entire series and Angel and I do enjoy both of those very, very much. But still this, Kristy Swanson will always be my Buffy man. I love her in this movie. There's not, there's not another I can't think of another more realistic performance of just a regular ass motherfucking teenager. She just nails it dude, fucking nails it.
00:20:46
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Yeah, hashtag my Buffy, Kristy Swanson. Anyway, ah Brett, how'd you come across this? Honestly, about the exact same way. It looked probably maybe a year or two later. But yeah, no, I mean, I probably saw it on HBO in my teenage years. And being a fan of vampires as I am, I quite enjoyed it.
00:21:15
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And yeah, that's about it. I don't think as I mean. its As for the series, I guess we're also talking about the series, too. um You can't not really. It's kind of inseparable, like, because I know, well, I'll get into it later, but, you know, go ahead. I don't think I started watching the series until it picked up steam and to like. Season three or four, maybe once it started getting word of mouth and people are like, hey, you should watch this.
00:21:45
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Because while I love the movie, it wasn't like ah they made a series out of that movie. Awesome. I'm going to watch that kind of off my radar. um
00:21:57
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Plus, things were different back then, too. Like you had to you had to be at your TV at a certain time to watch something. Brett probably had some other shit going on. I probably did. There was probably something else. That's me and most shows from the 90s I wanted to watch that I have rewatched. Yeah. I just i was doing other things. Yeah. When it was on TV, you I couldn't just stream it. Yeah. Or if there was another show that I wanted to watch more that was on at the same time, I had to make that decision. Yeah. Time slots were a thing for sure. These things mattered at one point in our in our history, and kids today will never understand.
00:22:36
Speaker
Nope. You go to the grocery store and you're like, damn, when I got 15 minutes for my show start, I got to get this shit. in yeah I remember running red lights to make it home in time for lost. I love that. That is a thing I did and I'm not proud of it, but I did it.
00:22:53
Speaker
People did it, man. and People lost was maybe the last big like event viewing, appointment viewing television show. I would say Breaking Bad. and I was gonna say, yeah, Breaking Bad, because that kind of rattled the streaming line there. like I started Breaking Bad on TV and finished it streaming. And see, i was I did it the other way around. I started on streaming and finished it live. so
00:23:20
Speaker
I never finished it because I heard it was unsatisfying and I was like, I disagree. Very satisfying. I also liked El Camino. So you get a little epilogue there. too I haven't read i I haven't watched El Camino yet. I'm actually.
00:23:35
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ah Like finishing up a Breaking Bad rewatch right now. Oh, no, I mean lost not breaking bad lost lost insanely disappointed wow no i'm talking about loss I'll watch Breaking Bad. Maybe eventually one day get to Breaking Bad Brett. You will love it. It's fucking great well i i'm not real sure maybe i don't know It's fucking great though, it's great with Game of Thrones in terms of like if I watch it, i'm but I know everything that's gonna happen already anyway, but But here's the difference, Brett, is Breaking Bad is good consistently.
00:24:08
Speaker
Whereas in Game of Thrones, there's a clear drop off. And it's not exploitation disguised as high art either. Game of Thrones, there's good shit about it, but like they're like, we got to have a certain amount of titties on screen for a certain amount of time in each episode. Somebody
Initial Reactions to Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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that guy has to fuck at some point.
00:24:28
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His sister, probably. They called it sex position for a reason. Well, that stopped after a while. After like You're the person saying this who hasn't watched it past like two episodes. I've watched up to season six.
00:24:44
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Look, I've watched everything. I've watched the whole thing. And it's what scarred me. It's what it's what ah made me such a prude cinematically because it was just so boring it was her own and And I hate it. Yes. Yes. I watched all about the last two seasons. this is i mean This is not what you said last time we talked about it. You said you stopped watching it because of the nudity. No, I had to watch it because my gal was into it. I couldn't not watch it. I didn't want to watch it.
00:25:13
Speaker
Well, then your, your memory is not that great because now the the exploitative nudity stops after like season two. yeah Well, well, it scarred me for life. So unnecessary.
00:25:28
Speaker
Breaking Bad Good, though. There do be some stuff in there every once in a while, but like it's not. Rarely. I i was going to say one in instance of titties and a lot of manbutt. So it services the story every time. Also, I don't care. I don't I don't care. he There could be nudity in the show. I don't give two shits about nudity in a show. It doesn't bother me.
00:25:52
Speaker
I get that. And that's fair. I just it annoys me when it's not relevant to the story or if it doesn't work well in the context because I'm very much always been trying to fight my lizard brain. I always kind of think that instinctually feels like a very losing battle for you, Tucker. Hey, man, I've done pretty well last 10 years, ah but I I think that instinctually we put too much value and too much obsession on sex and sexuality and all of that stuff. And I think we'd all get a lot more done if we were all just a little less horny. I mean, duh. Just a little less, not a whole lot more horny, less horny, but just a little bit. Is it more horny or less horny? Make up your damn mind. We need to be less horny.
00:26:51
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Yeah. Anyway. I refuse. Anyway. lost where did you i didn buffy the vampire but I was worried we wouldn't come to me. And here we are. Thank you. Thank you for asking, Brett. amazing you a problem No, no, I said it right.
00:27:06
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um No, no, i I knew what I was saying. um i I honestly, I remember hearing about Buffy when it was on TV. I had a friend who was very into the show and tried to get me into it. And I was like, you mean they made a show off of that terrible movie, a movie I'd never seen?
00:27:25
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I was like 13. OK, I had no standards. or You were not only were you a contrarian, but you were not self-aware yet. So watch out. Right. Watch the fuck out. Dangerous fucking combination.
00:27:41
Speaker
Um, but no, I, um, so I was just like, they made a movie ah or ah a show off that awful movie. And everybody's like, no, it's good. Actually. I'm like, okay, I'll take a word for it. And then I got into college. I had a lot of friends who were big fans. And so I think one summer I just went to the library or the video store and just got Buffy and started the the show and started watching it and really enjoyed it. So once I finished the show and finished Angel, I ended up buying all of this, all of the show. I still own.
00:28:11
Speaker
At one point, I owned everything Joss Whedon had ever directed or show run on DVD. um I don't anymore, but I do still own Buffy, Angel and Firefly. um I that's got rid of Dollhouse because fuck Dollhouse. But yeah, so the Buffy's and the Angels, if you have the DVDs, that's good because that's really the only way that you can get them like in their original aspect ratio anymore. So hold on to those. Oh, I'm not getting rid of them. Oh, God, no.
00:28:42
Speaker
o we Yeah, no, I i i have to treasure these days to have all of those. I know a lot of people do, but that's why I collect physical media, Tucker. This is why people like us are physical media apologists. Wrong. That's it. Yeah. um So, yeah, that's the reason I still own those. But then I think sometime after that, I came to the movie and was like, I'll give this a watch. I like the the show. This will be fun.
00:29:08
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and It was a it was not what I was expecting at all. on the way to do that yeah i know I don't disagree. It took me it took me a few watches of the movie to come to ah be able to appreciate it on its own terms. But there are still some things
Controversies Surrounding Joss Whedon
00:29:26
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about it that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. But there are things I don't blame on the du direct. I actually blame Whedon for all the things I don't like about the movie.
00:29:36
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Um, particularly knowing what I know about him now, I, that makes the things I don't like about this movie even more glaring personally. One very specific thing for me. I wonder if it's the same thing. I'll bet it's the same thing that I'm thinking of too, because he did it a few times as a whole. It was kind of a Whedon trope.
00:29:56
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Mm hmm. um and Yeah, guys, guys got his problems um and he's made them very public. um What a fucking creep. I will say again, the official stance of the disenfranchised podcast is fuck Joss Whedon and secondary stance. Shut up, Joss Whedon. Be nice. And the horse he rode in on and be nice.
00:30:26
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Be nice. Joss, wait. Stop being mean. You catch more flies with honey bees with milk. If you get the cow for free. What? Yeah. You got further and further away. I was about to I was about to walk through a screen door on a battleship, you guys. You were about to do something.
00:30:51
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Look, Tucker, why don't you just make like a tree and get out of here? I'm out. well Holy shit. So, no, we are here to talk about the 1992 cinematic film classic Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Yeah, dude. And yeah, there there is a lot to enjoy about this film.
00:31:20
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For sure. Yeah, treasure for sure. For sure. Tucker, why don't you kick us off again? I know you got a lot to say here. I just have a really good joke, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate or not. I i think it is. You can bleep it. I don't. I can.
00:31:43
Speaker
But I would like I have to explain it. So I'd probably just cut the whole thing out. So here it goes. If it doesn't go over well, we'll just pretend I didn't say it. So do you know how in J and Silent Bob or no in dogma and they're talking about Bethany's lineage and stuff and you you mean your favorite line in dogma? Jay says, does that does that make Bethany have black part black? Yeah, every time.
00:32:13
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that I watched this film post seeing that film whenever she's talking about being a slave in her dreams. Like, does that make. okay
00:32:25
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Does that make Buffy have black part black? You can't even say the line, right, dude? Because it's too much. It feels wrong, but also it's really funny.
00:32:39
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Is, is it? I mean, I know you think it's really funny, but also it's just kind of accurate. Like it's just, it's just what it is. Like it's written into the lore of the slayers that she's been different races and ethnicities over the course of the entire lineage of the Slayer. But, but then, i'm not but they're not, but they're not all related though. That's a relief.
00:33:00
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It's a bloodline, though. It's a bloodline. Fred's right. The lore guy's right. The show establishes it's a bloodline, isn't it? Well, no, because then at the end later in the show, all no, because all the slayers that come together in the last season, they activate a shit ton of slayers in the last season. And it's all like it's just a shit ton of people that are not related to each other whatsoever. So it's not it's it's more of a calling than it is a bloodline. But I think in the film,
00:33:29
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though, which a version of that film is canon with the TV show, but not the actual film. Whedon kind of picked and chose what he wanted to carry over. I think in that lore, I mean, they share the birthmark. I feel like it's supposed to be not necessarily a bloodline, but some sort of link. And it's not like a reincarnation thing.
00:33:56
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It's the Highlander, yeah, it's the Highlander shit. And it's just like the Watcher guy, he's gonna come back, but he's gonna come back as the same dude. But Buffy doesn't always come back as Buffy, I guess. Well, in the show, it's like a college of Watchers. There's like a school where you go to like learn how to be a Watcher. That's what I'm saying, not like separate cannons, slightly related, like universes that cross paths.
00:34:21
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and involve the same characters, but you get the firsting tiniest little bit of lore in the movie. It's a little little soosal of lore and it's like it's very little and you have to like extrapolate it. Well, and there is a comic book that's canon that retells the story of yeah this film and what happens in between. Right. That's canon with the show. Right.
00:34:48
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. they're weird right and They are separate. Yeah, they're not. Well, and it's based it's based on his original script. So Whedon writes the script and it's his his whole thing. I mean, and he's from a like his parents or screen like comedy writers. So like he grows up in this household where you have to be like witty and funny in order to like be heard or seen.
00:35:10
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And so he – what else is he going to do but become a screenwriter? um But he apparently is watching horror movies and realizes the blonde is always the first one that gets killed off, and he doesn't think that's fair and is like, I want to i want to i want to empower her.
00:35:26
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And so he creates this idea of the Slayer and makes it this valley girl from Southern California. um This this high school cheerleader who is, you know, into all these superficial things, but has this grander destiny about her and gives empowers her to beat the shit out of vampires and other monsters. And with that in mind, just Sweden, what happened?
00:35:52
Speaker
Like this. That's such a like... Let me just check my notes here, Brett. It looks like he's a man, is what happened. I don't know. But look, we we love a self-aware feminist king. But that's not Joss Whedon. No, like what happened? He started out that way. He started down that path, it sounds like. And then somewhere along the way, he got real fucked up. Like all the worst people, he bought into his own myth and started to believe what people said about him and thought that that made him cool.
00:36:23
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yeah that And went mad with power. He basically was a big old nerd in high school. And then once he got a little bit of power and a little bit of authority and realized that he could have some modicum of control over the types of women that would have um not even looked at him twice in high school, ah and over the kind of guys that would have bullied him and beat him up in high school, he exercised every modicum of that against them to whatever extent he was able. like and that is a yeah I have to imagine that's a, go ahead Brett.
00:37:03
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He was he's a performative feminist. He thought that if he made the story about a strong female lead that the females would like him. And it worked for a long time. Yeah. Well, also, I think that martin I think that people are capable of believing one thing and acting in a manner that contradicts that. I don't think that's. I don't know.
00:37:30
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i i I don't think anything that he did was good, but I don't know. It's a slippery slope. When you, when you, when you are like that, when you're younger and then you get older and you do have that power. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not excusing it. Fuck that guy. But I think it would be difficult for a lot of people.
00:37:56
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I just, I can't, you know how, Steven, you know how you're a contrarian? I'm always the devil's advocate, even if I don't want to be. I know. I'm always thinking of like all these other like, well, maybe this is what happened. I know. Even when you're, even when you're devil's advocating against yourself. Yeah. And i've I've seen you do it and I don't call you on it. And I'm like, I wonder if he realizes that this absolutely contradicts another thing he said like two weeks ago. Yeah. I don't, I don't do it because we're friends, but I'm like,
00:38:24
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But no, I know it's happening. It's okay. um but But again, that's the self awareness. And again, I don't think self awareness is a gift given to everybody, or a skill that everyone chooses to develop. Because I do think it's something that you can develop, you can develop self awareness.
00:38:41
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um You've been overdeveloped in my case. yeah I'm hyper self-aware. right It's torture. For you, it's to the point where it's crippling. You have a crippling sense of self-awareness. I know some people who have a skewed sense of self-awareness, where they feel like they're very self-aware, but they're um they don't see themselves as they truly are. Either they see themselves as better or worse than they truly are. so like it It can go any number of ways.
00:39:10
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But for Whedon is and he's an interesting case study and he's one of the he's he's a milkshake duck for a lot of people. He had a lot of very ardent fans. Yeah. And when he fell, it broke a lot of people and really upset a lot of people. He's a cult hero, like.
00:39:35
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people who are into that kind of shit that's he was straight up God for a while. And he's he's the first one he's like to the point where when people like JK Rowling or even more recently Neil Gaiman like are kind of some of their base or more horrible things are exposed they like but Whedon was kind of the first one of those that made us all go oh fuck really?
00:40:00
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Not him. It's not like this. Right. like It's such a disappointment. That's for me, like a lot of people seem angry or just are like, fuck like that guy. But for me, for a lot of these people, especially if I admire their work, it's such a disappointment. I'm just like, really, man, like you couldn't like I get it. There's urges and shit. You couldn't keep that couldn't keep that shit under control. Come on, man. You're better than that, dude. Come on. Come on, man.
00:40:23
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Right. But like I don't know. For me, like one of the big things that kind of like really irked me in this movie is the my superpower is PMS thing. That's the one thing I was talking about. OK, I'm glad I'm glad I thought it might have been and I'm glad we're on the same page here. Very glaringly obvious uncomfortable thing. yeah ah Well, I mean that and the the like cons everyone constantly referring to Buffy as a bitch or ah a diesel or like the whole movie. I'm also like, I don't like that. For that time, though, it's realistic. Again, not excusing it. Maybe you put a banner above it before it, like the old Disney movies where it's like this wasn't OK then and it isn't OK now, but times were different. Right. You know, that kind of thing. It would be weird if that shit weren't in there as horrible as it is.
00:41:11
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Right. Some of it. I mean, but but again, it's that it's that kind of shit is the shit that made me about this movie kind of bristle a lot more. And again, I think it's worse now that we know what we know about. We like it. It's something I probably could have like laughed off earlier. and Like, oh, but he's he he gets it like he understands like and you can kind of tire. Right. But but now that we know what we know about him, it I'm not sure it is.
00:41:38
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Well, and I don't think it is either, but I have the luxury of having all of that shit just like grandfathered into my pop culture sensibility before I knew that shit. So even though though it upsets me and I noticed that it, I don't, I, this might be a bad thing to say, but it doesn't dampen my enjoyment for it because I've always, I've always had a good time with it.
00:42:01
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and And though time has gone by and I've become less ignorant and I've known more things about the person who created this, it has changed the way that I think about it, but I still, like I said, I like this movie more and more every time I see it. I've been watching it for fucking 30 years. I mean, there's something to be said for the death of the author, right? Like being able to divorce the creator from the work. And I think with something like this, it it's almost necessary yeah for us to be able to try to do that, for us to get any kind of enjoyment out of it.
00:42:30
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um Which which is not to say that we can't appreciate what he was doing or was attempting to do. But, you know, we we have to on some level kind of break ourselves apart. And it's it's not an easy thing to do, um particularly, particularly when we are constantly being made aware of. You know, the that what a terrible person that dude is. yeah And it's it's harder now. Well, not harder. It's.
00:43:00
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like it's easier to find out that someone is a shitty person now. Yes. Then it was 20, 30 years ago. Right. So ah people that you love, like from the 70s or 80s, chances are they were probably fucking assholes to. Yeah.
00:43:19
Speaker
So that's why I'm kind of my goal is to just ah with with the exception to of extreme cases, just kind of I'm trying to divorce myself from all that shit. I don't give a fuck about any of these people that make these movies. I'm just trying to enjoy this art and just not have to as much as I can. You know what I mean? That's my goal. That's not easy for a long time, just because it's it would be so hard for me because.
00:43:45
Speaker
You know for better or worse my personality a lot of the time is so intrinsically tied to these things that I love And it would be impossible for me. Like if you came out if it came out tomorrow that like I don't know Dan Aykroyd or Ivan Reitman or whoever was like a really terrible shitty person. I would cry Like what if we found out Bill Murray was a shitty person?
00:44:08
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yeah i ease we know ah there are some yeah like yeah but he's off but he's also a shitty person in the movie so it's like well yeah was he wasn't really playing against type kind of makes you wonder if he's ever been acting ever kind of but like maybe in time I have to do what Tucker's doing because if I don't Then in this day and age, at the drop of a hat, I could wake up tomorrow when Ghostbusters could be ruined for me if I don't do what Tucker's doing. Everybody sucks. Everybody sucks and everybody is under a fucking microscope. So if somebody sucks in some way, you're gonna fucking know about it. So I'm just like, no, fuck all that noise.
00:44:51
Speaker
To a certain extent, like I said, there are some things where I'm like, oh, oh, actually, no, I cannot engage with that. Right. Yeah. This person like murdered 20 people. You know, I'm like, no, no. That would cross the line for sure. You make Ghostbusters, though. Right.
00:45:06
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Yeah.
00:45:09
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ah you but i maybe And maybe that i I know there's people out there that would hear Tucker, or I say this and would be like, you're a shitty person too, then fuck you. But like, you have to be more socially aware, you can't like, you know, but like, fuck off. And and honestly, I think that is, I think, and and I think we've said something to this effect before, I think I have, but everyone kind of needs to figure out what they're comfortable with.
00:45:35
Speaker
and And stick to that. Like if you're not comfortable consuming media by terrible people, don't. And we're not going to tell you you that you should. If you don't want to watch this movie, don't watch this movie. If you don't want to watch this movie because Joss Whedon is a shitty person, do not watch this movie. light that is that is and That is absolutely your right and your choice and that's fine. It's valid. It's
60-Second Buffy Summary
00:45:58
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100% okay. We're not going to judge you about that. As long as you don't judge us for wanting to watch it. And and if you do, that's fine. Just maybe keep it to yourself.
00:46:08
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No, I'm not look I ever everyone needs to what what did we used to say Stephen What was this? Don't be a fan. Just like stuff. Yeah, there you go our mantra Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, it's been a long while. I mean, because I think people who tend to be fanatic about a thing tend to lose a sense of objectivity, which is why I think on some level, most fandoms or if not all fandoms are inherently toxic, because once you reach the point of fanaticism, you've kind of lost a level of objectivity. Like you're not able to see the thing for what it is because you're so fanatical about it. And like fanatic is a synonym for crazy. Mm hmm. That's what that means. So like if you're a fanatic of something, that's maybe it's a little. And that's that's what the word fan is short for. You know, which is why I'm loath to call myself a fan of most things. I think this is an important conversation, though, separating the art from the artist. And I think there are a billion different takes. And honestly, I would like to hear anyone's take if they want to put it in the comments. Yeah, I'm interested to see that perspective.
00:47:17
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patreon dot.com slash disenfranch pod join for free and let us know. Do you think it's possible to separate art from the artist? Should we separate art from the artist? Let us know we let's let's get a conversation going because ah this is this is a topic that I am endlessly fascinated by and I'd like Tucker absolutely want to hear what you guys have to say on that.
00:47:36
Speaker
And it's something you could talk about forever. Like, honestly, if we just did an episode on this, we could do a whole so we could just do a whole podcast on it. If you would have started this just talking about that subject, we'd still be talking about it. Correct. They'll be talking about it. And we could keep talking about it. But at some point, we're going to have to do the plot in 60 seconds. mean This is a very important thing we needed to address as upfront as possible. yeah Absolutely. 45 minutes into the episode. like Well, we've been talking about it for the past 15 maybe. At least. yeah Yeah. So, you know. And yeah, it's it's a big topic and I am glad we discussed it. And i I would gladly continue to discuss this going forward. We'll probably have this discussion again whenever we cover Superman Returns. So look forward to that, which will be whenever the new James Gunn Superman movie comes out. Oh, boy. Yep.
00:48:31
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Buckle your seatbelts. And we'll have it twice because there's two terrible people involved in that movie. Oof. Yup. Do we have to cover it? I mean, we don't have to cover it. I mean, that's always what we said about this movie, too. And here we are. I do like Brenda Ralph, though. I mean, look, it's a vampire movie. It's a good vampire movie.
00:48:57
Speaker
It's relevant to deaths that have happened recently. It's a little bit different than just like there's a Superman movie be coming out. Let's talk about some shitty people. That's different. I mean, we're going to talk about the shitty people that happen to be involved in the making of a Superman movie, Brad. May I interject violently and aggressively? I don't think I can stop you. Brandon Ralph. I don't think I've mentioned this on this podcast or to either of you guys, but he is the star.
00:49:25
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of Friend of the Podcast, Joseph Khan's next film, Ick. And from the festival reviews, it's he fucking kills it, like best performance of his career kind of business. I can't wait to cover that on a straight up in a couple of years. Also from fuck you. Also. from
00:49:47
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From the festival reviews, people who are familiar with this work say that this has the kinetic energy of detention, but it's easier to digest and much more accessible. So this might be the one. This might be it for Joseph Kahn. He might have cracked the fucking code. I can't wait to see it. Mm hmm. All right. Call me anyway. So the plot in 60 seconds is the party has cracked it. We'll talk about it. all We don't talk about it anyway. We'll do a Patreon special if we have to. Yeah. We'll talk about it, up like I said, we'll talk about it straight up in a couple of years. It's fine. He's my new Ty West. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, 60, plot 60. The plot in 60 seconds is part of the show where we, at the behest of the D6 of Destiny, ah recount the plot of...
00:50:33
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer from 1992. In 60 seconds or less, I think I am one and two, Brett is three and four, Tucker is five and six is how the dice have been allocated. Tucker's got 60 seconds on the clock and the person recounting the plot will be... Fuck me! It's me! Never me! How is it never me? i It hit my mic chord. It probably would have been five, but it hit my mic chord and it rolled into a one. and Fuck that mic cord. all that always That's your karmic reward for not rewatching the movie, Steven. Fuck you. Wow, you called him out. Yeah, I have I have never called anyone out for not watching the movie on the podcast. Oh, if they bring it up first, I will. I'll join in. But like I've never called anyone out. Did you you didn't say that on Mike? No. one Oh, that's my bad, Steven. I mean, I'm leaving it in, but I didn't mean to. I'm sorry. Oh, I know you're leaving it in.
00:51:28
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I honestly did. I forgot. that's That's my bad. Still leaving it in. i So fuck you. i leaving it just just to just Just so we're clear. Okay. Copy that, Steven. Okay. As long as we're on the same page there. we are We are. Let me know when you're ready. I don't know. Buffy's a teenager. she like ah I don't know she, she's a slayer she meets Dennis Donald Sutherland he tells her she's a vampire slayer. Rucker Howard comes to town Pee Wee Herman's with him they start turning people into vampires. Luke Perry comes to town he's named after a fish.
00:52:03
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um They start dating because he's dreamy, even though he's not Christian Slater. um They team up and start killing vampires. A bunch of teenagers become vampires. There's a school dance. They can't come in unless they're invited, but they're all invited because they're te they're seniors. and so they Yeah, they're seniors. ah So they kill a bunch of vampires. um I forget how they kill all the vampires. They don't burn down the school. That was in his original.
00:52:31
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scripts Oh, it's electricity or something, right? I don't know. Stakes to the heart, really. Yeah. 10 seconds. I don't know. Anyway, the vampires die. Buffy beats the Lothos. Merrick dies earlier. And Buffy and Pike drive off to slay more vampires. The end. That's time. like so That's all right, Steven. She moves away with a different mom, and then they they they make a home ands in Sunny. Sunny, though.
00:52:56
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right Yeah, their parents get divorced somehow. but some yeah The parents get divorced, but like her mom's personality completely changes. Oh, completely. Maybe after the divorce is what when that happens. Right, she kind of like mellows out and becomes like grounded. some There's a mysterious sister that we never knew about that just kind of appears.
00:53:17
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Well, that's actually part of the story that, dude yeah, it's a whole thing. No, it's a whole thing. It's a whole, it's like a season long story of Dawn. Dawn. Dawn. It's Dawn.
Actors' Career Highlights: Rutger Hauer, Donald Sutherland, and Others
00:53:30
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Yeah. Yeah. She was never actually there. She, it was just a false memory implanted by some, by the big bad of that season, I think. I know. Corey, right? and Maybe. Was that season five? That was a later season, so I don't remember.
00:53:46
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um Season 5 was the glory season. Maybe it was. So in 1992 though, how cool was it to see Redger Howard in something like this?
00:53:57
Speaker
I mean, Rucker, how are fucking rules? But I think for me, like at that point, he was just like be movie action guy for me. And I fucking he was like he was like that generations treat Williams sort of, you know, and like he was so rad and he did so many cheesy sci-fi movies and stuff. And then to see him in this and he's incredible in this and he's good in his shitty movies, but they're shitty movies. So he's I mean, this is this is 10 years after Blade Runner.
00:54:25
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Like a decade after Blade Runner, he's doing this. I'm saying that's what I know him from at that point when I see this movie. I mean, he's coming from the the Dutch film scene. Like he's he's a Verhoeven guy. I think from his from his pre-American era kind of comes over with Verhoeven or a little earlier than Verhoeven because he's in Verhoeven's first English language film, Flesh and Blood in eighty five.
00:54:50
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Like, so the two of them are working together. ah So in between Blade Runner and this, he does Eureka, The Osterman Weekend, A Breed Apart, ah Lady Hawk, one of my dad's favorite movies, weirdly, that Matthew Broderick. Yeah, dad movie classic right there. Flesh and Blood, The Hitcher. The Hitcher, guys. The Hitcher. The Hitcher? In actuality, The Hitcher. Wanted Dead or Alive.
00:55:21
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The Legend of the Holy Drinker, um Bloodhounds of Broadway, a future episode of this podcast, Blind Fury. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're going to do it. um Crystal or ash, file or fire or wind as long as it's love. um So you can see there's there's a decline happening here. The Blood of Heroes.
00:55:45
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um The Law of the Desert, which is a TV miniseries, I guess, so maybe that doesn't count. Past Midnight, Beyond Justice, Split Second, you can like tell the titles of these are getting very generic like B action. and That's what I know him from. Beyond Justice is pretty sick, though. Right. Past Midnight, Beyond Justice, Split Second, and then Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
00:56:13
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um And but second is a classic. Have you guys seen split second second? Of course. That monster. what second It is. It is the best like um obstructed view monster ever. You only ever really see just like the outline of it, but it's terrifying. It's this weird sci-fi. I don't even it's on the poster. See split second. See it. See Blade Runner meets Alien, says the poster.
00:56:39
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fucking B movie classic. He's seen the future. Now he has to kill it. Oh, it's so dark. Steven, you have to fix the settings on your TV before you watch it, because that's a dark movie anyway. OK, but after that, he seems to go right back into B movies, Blindside, Voyage, Arctic Blue, Surviving the Game, Nostradamus, and then like he gets reclaimed later. I know.
00:57:05
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Like years later, he does. Nolan kind of rescues him from obscurity for the Dark Knight. And that's kind of one of his like reclamation projects, because for a while him and Eric Roberts. Right. He's just doing like this or it was.
00:57:24
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was it batman I think, you know, his was Batman Begins. Rucker Howard was in in 2005. The same year he's in Sin City, interestingly enough. um Because a year for him the year before that, he's in the Salem's Lot remake miniseries as Kurt Barlow, which excellent casting, can I just say? Excellent fucking casting. But that's the one with like Rob Lowe and Donald Sutherland and ah James Cromwell, like the weird Salem's Lot miniseries. um Andre Brown, that new ones.
00:58:03
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I heard that new one's good, even though, like, all the reviews I've read said it's bad, but, like, all my friends that have seen it say it's good. That's kind of what I hear, too. It is decent. it It moves a little bit too fast, but it it's also it's also should have been a miniseries like all the others have been and not a two hour movie where they can't fit anything into it. That's the thing I even King story. I started I started to read that book a couple of years ago and I was just like, I don't know how you turn this into a two hour movie. There's too much going on here.
00:58:32
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Yeah, that's sort of the only problem the movie has. The rest of it, the stuff they do tell is really good. But like you lose so much. That's the only problem. Yeah, I believe it. I have no problem believing it. Still want to see it, though, and probably will kind of want to read the book first. But like I I did i well, no, I'm going to save that for what are we watching. But um oh, oh.
00:58:58
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rela one those Yeah, Yeah. It's if we ever get a chance to do one of those ever again, maybe one day. You guys can I also mention a tiny bit of trivia here um about Rucker Howard? No, love Rucker Howard, but I feel like kind of said all we can say about Rucker. Fantastic. R.I.P. for sure. Wasn't ready for that. No, was not ready for that. How do you burn situation?
00:59:26
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Um, but Sasha Jensen and Ben Affleck both also in Dazed and Confused together. Not as friends, but together. And both of them play, uh, play, uh, basketball players in this movie. That's true. Yeah. Ben Affleck has a glorified extra scene where he makes a face. He did he sure does.
00:59:50
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Makes a straight up face. Yeah. Oh, it was dubbed over. The one dubbed over. Yeah.
01:00:00
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um Let's let's talk about the reason we were initially going to cover this film, Donald Sutherland in this movie. Yeah. Like, love Donald Sutherland. And the thing I love most about him in this movie is how badly he pissed off Joss Whedon during the making of this movie.
01:00:21
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But why why? Why were they not friends? Apparently, Donald Sutherland did not treat Joss Whedon like little Lord Fauntleroy thought he should have been treated. Oh, no. I know. What a horrible thing. Donald Sutherland knew before all of us. Right. Yeah, he um basically kind of went on to the set and I mean, he's Joss Whedon basically blames Donald Sutherland for why the movie doesn't work. It doesn't? No. Oh. Hmm. Joss Whedon said in a 2003 interview with IGN, I believe that part of the problem was that the director was unable to control the big fat wannabe movie star who came, you know, the old guy, Donald.
01:01:14
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They were changing their lines and running rough shot over her and everyone else. And I'm sorry, you can't have that. You have to have faith in the leader. And in that situation, the leader has to be the director. In TV, it has to be the producers.
01:01:29
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end quote. But yeah, there you go. um He in a 2001 interview with the AV club, he was just a prick. He would rewrite all his dialogue and the director would let him he can't write he's not a writer. So the dialogue would not make sense. And he had a very bad attitude. He was incredibly rude to the director. He was rude to everyone around him. He was just a real pain. And to see him destroying my stuff.
01:01:53
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Some people didn't notice, some people liked him in the movie because he's Donald of Sutherland. He's a great actor. He can read the phone book and I'm interested. But the thing is, he acts well enough that you didn't notice with his little rewrites and his little ideas about what his character should do that he was actually destroying the movie.
01:02:11
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petty wow lord well jesus christ right He sounds like a 14 year old boy that wrote a fan fiction and nobody liked it. I mean, where's the lie, though? Like with Whedon, it seems like I mean, he he stuck with writing high schoolers for a pretty long time. Like you kind of have to wonder if Arrested Development didn't come into play at some point, you know?
01:02:40
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It do be like that sometimes. It do. um But yeah, like just very petulant and petty like, oh, my beautiful words. Like, you know, I I know a lot of writers and some of them are very much like that. And some of them are not precious about that shit at all. Joss Whedon strikes me as one of those guys who's very precious about that shit. And welcome to Hollywood, kid. Right. You got if you got a way to make something sound better, fucking tell me.
01:03:05
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yeah I want it to be as good as possible. I'm the same way. Joss Whedon's like, no, I wrote it that way on purpose, and that's the way I want it. Like, and I mean, Neil Simon is kind of the same way, but Joss Whedon is not Neil Simon. So no, no, there's not enough arguing between the characters.
01:03:26
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I don't think.
01:03:29
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Isn't that I don't I don't think I've seen a Neil Simon play where it's not just people arguing. Are you sure you're not thinking of David Mamet? No, thank you, Neil Simon. What Neil Simon stuff have you seen? California Suite.
01:03:54
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California Suite. OK, so just California Suite, then I was in that bitch. I was in California, sweet. I was Bill Cosby.
01:04:04
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was so I was the character of problematic people. and That's the biggest betrayal of all, but I don't want to talk about it. ah No, I was the character in the play that Bill Cosby plays in the movie opposite Richard Pryor in that segment.
01:04:23
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Yeah. um Rumors is probably my favorite Neil Simon play. um He also did Biloxi Blues, The Odd Couple. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I see that. I have seen, but yeah, California suite. That's laughter on the 34th floor.
01:04:43
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One more, I'll bet I know it. um Wasn't there another sweet movie from a different, like, Texas sweet or something? New Jersey sweet? No, I don't. I feel like there was a different one as well. Brighton Beach memoirs. No, I don't know that one. Don't know that one. I know about a third of the ones that you said, Steven, so more than I initially let on. He's done the good was the good by girl. I think that was him. I am like, I've heard of that, but I don't know what it is. That's the one that
01:05:17
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You mean it's not all just people arguing? Richard, drive there there is more to Neil Simon than just people arguing. ah Yeah, it's mostly that, right? He wrote a movie I recently purchased, ah Murder by Death.
01:05:31
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Well, you love that shit. I do love that shit, though. It's your fucking jam, dude. It is my fucking jam. It is the he did write The Goodbye Girl, um The Sunshine Boys, the George Burns, ah Walter Mathau film. He wrote that one. George Burns, his Oscar left on the twenty third. I said thirty fourth. It's twenty third floor. um Oh, there wasn't. It's called London Suite. Yeah, dude. London Suite. There you go.
01:05:57
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but Um, and apparently also wrote sweet charity. Is that true? so And Plaza, sweet man. He did lots of, hey he did the screenplay for the the Elaine may film, the heartbreak kid. Oh, I had no idea. john maxwell Yeah, dude.
01:06:20
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This is why we can't have nice things. um That is the nicest thing, though. You seen Shawn Michaels? Geez, Louise. Barefoot in the park. No, he can wear shoes. He still look good.
01:06:36
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Tucker, I got this for you. I don't know. Tucker, you see this? I got this for you. no There you go. Thank you so much. That's for you, man. Audio lessons, which is all over. I'll treasure it forever. I had a feeling you might.
01:06:49
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um Anyway, enough about Neil Simon, whoever that guy is. Um, so it was a part about the movie not working because of Donald Sutherland really thinks this movie doesn't work because of that. Cause like the reason it doesn't work sometimes is because it's moving way too fast and it kind of don't make no sense. You have to fill in a lot of gaps.
01:07:17
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you got You got to use your own brain to fill in a lot. yeah There's a lot of implication. And then when they get to the climax, when they get to the third act, it's split into two parts, which kind of for me negatively affects the pacing for a short amount of time. Whereas as the rest of the film goes very quickly. And like you say, you have to fill it in in between.
01:07:40
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The when ah Merrick dies and the dance is just excruciating to me. Like, I love that movie, but that like 10, 15 minutes, I'm like, can we just can we fucking go to the dance, man? Can we get to the dance? Can we do this shit? Let's go. Let's fucking go. That's my only only complaint for this movie, by the way, is that like 10 minutes in between the two parts of the third act. That's it outside of that perfect film.
01:08:07
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well i just no it'sing no no
01:08:15
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i got some note Not Tucker Tucker has no notes Dudes
01:08:27
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Dudes. Yeah. Joss Whedon's first screenplay after years of writing for television ah was a right. He wrote for Roseanne. He was a story editor and staff writer for Roseanne and then also wrote for the television show Parenthood. That's the first not the not the.
01:08:43
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a successful one, but the one that was not. That was also based on the really good movie based on the 1989 Ron Howard film of the same name starring Ed Begley Jr. Yes. And if you have not seen starring Steve Martin, fuck off. No, Ed Begley. You're talking about the TV show. Yeah. um Speaking of, I take that back, Steven, I apologize if I were in the same room with you right now, I'd give you a comforting hug.
01:09:07
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ah if there's anyone out there that has not seen the parenthood film I suggest you just put it at the top of your list because it's it's pretty fantastic it's not it's not a genre that I'm it's true it's not a genre that I'm usually too into but much like musicals when I find a good one mmm parenthood so good so good I mean it's he Steve Martin can kind of do no wrong Rick Moranis in that bitch. Yeah, Keanu Reeves, Joaquin Phoenix, Joaquin. Yes, Joker Folly, I do is Joaquin Phoenix. Yes, yes. Eight millimeters Joaquin Phoenix. Is in it. Yes. To die for is Joaquin Phoenix. um That gal with that face that's in other stuff, she's in it. And then the younger gal, ah Plimpton, Martha Plimpton.
01:10:06
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Yeah, she's. innna Yeah. I love Martha. And her mom, who's the the mom? She's in a bunch of shit, too. She's got that real squished face. No offense. She's beautiful. But she's cat's kind of like a squished. What's her fucking name? Man, so many such a such a cat rattle off that cast list for us real quick, Stephen. Just just real quick. Not even slow for the for the film.
01:10:29
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Yes. ah You can interrupt me if I'm going to do it quick. I will not. I will not go quick. Steve Martin, Marystein Burgeon, Dion Weis, Jason Robards, Rick Moranis, Tom Hulse, Martha Plimpton, Keanu Reeves, Harley Jane Kozak, Dennis Dugan, Joaquin Phoenix, Eileen Ryan, Helen Shaw, Jason Fisher, Paul Link, Alison Porter, Zachary LaVoy, sorry, Ivy-Ann Schwan,
01:10:55
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I hey hit the the limit of what IMDB was able to show me. Alex Burrell, Lowell Ganz, Rance Howard, ah Max Elliot Slade, Clint Howard, Lamont Lofton, Erica Raffles. I think we're getting into the weeds here. that's when you know That's when you know you've got a quality Ron Howard movie is when his brother is in it. When his brother is like, he's not like, oh, sorry, Ron. I'm actually busy doing like the Ice Cream Man and a number of other micro budget horror films from the 80s and 90s. But but with Parenthood, Clint Howard read that script and he was like, oh, damn, well, uh. There ain't going to be no ice cream man, too. Are there Ron Howard movies that Clint is not in? Because if so, he wanted to me, maybe one or two. I mean, you guys, have you read there? They have a ah ah joint autobiography and it's the sweetest thing ever.
01:11:53
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It's Ron Howard and Clint Howard and they just, they write their autobiography, but like, like there'll be a little, a couple of paragraphs from Ron, couple of paragraphs from Clint and like, they're kind of talking back and forth. It's a very interesting read. I've never, I've read biographies like the, that big Saturday Night Live book. That's just like things that people say and like big interviews sort of, but this is different. It's, it really flows really well. I appreciate it as a book. And if you're interested in Ron Howard or Clint Howard or any of that shit, I definitely recommend it.
01:12:24
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It's called The Boys. OK. Speaking of Ice Cream Man, future episode of this podcast, Ice Cream Man. Oh, oh, I can't wait. Has Clint have we done any Clint Howard shit? Oh, yeah, because I haven't gone off about Clint Howard. Not that I don't know a Star Wars story. Yeah. I mean, we did solo early, early, early in the days of this. But like that was ah that was our first 15 episode. Like episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:55
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Clint Howard, big fan. Yeah, I mean, he but who doesn't love Clint Howard. um Yeah, he's great. He's not in Buffy, though, which he would. I feel like he could have filled some kind of role. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Howard and Buffy.
01:13:11
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Hashtag go back in time and recast someone to Clint Howard in Buffet. You know what? Here's the thing, though. The role he would have played is the role played by Stephen Root. And I fucking love Stephen Root. So don't you fucking dare. Yeah, you're right. You're right. ah Just give me two versions, a timeline A and a timeline B version so I can enjoy them both. Because I i fucking adore Stephen Root. That guy is never bad. I have never seen him give a bad performance. He's been in some shit, but I've never seen him do that.
01:13:39
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Yeah, like, um yeah you know, office space, king of the hill, dodgeball, true blood. Like he has everything. He has such an incredible range. I was just talking about how Kerry always is, is where like every other movie, you're just watching a movie and all of a sudden he just pops up. You got to put somebody on Kerry always alert and watch out for him. Dude is the same way. You got to watch out. You're like, well, you see.
01:14:10
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It's it's one of those things where you just like Steven root shows up and you can kind of relax because you know You're in good hands like frequent collaborator with the Coen brothers You know how we all love the Coen brothers and you know if you watch enough movies Eventually, he's gonna pop up in some like after watching two or three movies. He's just naturally gonna show up. Yeah Oh, he's fucking amazing and get out Lee. Oh, yeah he's He's so fucking good and get out like holy shit. Oh of Coen Brothers, like ah I think Oh, Brother is kind of the Eagles of their that and Big Lebowski is sort of the Eagles slash Lynyrd Skynyrd of their filmography to where it's great, but I'm so fucking sick of it. um But he I love him as the the blind guy at the radio station that records them. He's lordy. That was some naughty final picking and a singing. Oh, man.
01:15:01
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He's probably, well he's one of the best top 10 at least character actors working today. he is He is an all-time that guy actor, just an all-timer. And he doesn't, he's he's one of those actors that doesn't seem to have any ego or pretension. Like he will do fucking whatever.
01:15:22
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he'll come in and do a two line part and just like a day player role or even root. You probably got a Stephen Root. Exactly. Like there there needs to be room in every script for a Stephen Root kind of. I agree. It should be mandated by federal law. And here's the thin root accords.
01:15:40
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He is the kind of guy, and I i feel like Stephen Tobolowsky is another one of these guys, where there may not be anything on the page, like it could just be a very basic thing, and he will make it interesting by virtue of the fact that he is a fascinating actor.
01:15:54
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That's why you get those guys for those roles. Exactly. That's what those actors are for. And theres do they exist there's a little more to this one, to this part, than there might be to some of his others. But this is still fairly early in his career. Like, this is 92. Up to this point, like, he's only been active. His first ever film is Crocodile Dundee 2 in 1988. That is his first film credit.
01:16:24
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And then after that, he is in George A. Romero's Monkey Shines. Yes, he is. He absolutely is. That's his second ever film credit. You all seen that? You heard about this, the monkey shines, the guys in the wheelchair. I've heard about the monkey shines. And he's got the little machine that gives him the treat. But then like, I won't spoil it anyway. Go ahead. The year before this, he is in a a future episode of this podcast, V.I. Warshawsky.
01:16:48
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Oh, I don't know that. I've never heard of that, but it's ah it's a ka it's a Kathleen Turner movie. Oh, where she plays a female PI. i Hold on. You just said Kathleen Turner. I have to fan myself off a little bit here. Tucker, keep it in your pants, buddy. Well, well, I think they just got really tight, actually. They have a Kathleen Turner. I just hear her voice and like I'm getting really warm. Yes.
01:17:16
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Put
Film's Tonal Shifts and Director Impact
01:17:17
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it away. i We don't need that. I just have to remember that Peggy Sue is married. She got married, so I don't have a chance. Hand check. Hand check, Tucker. oo um But no, I like he is he's I have nothing but good things to say about Stephen Root. I will never have a bad thing to say about Stephen Root. Stephen Root, don't be a terrible person. Do not be a piece of shit. Do your best, man. Come on. I wouldn't do it i believe in you. Broken fucking hearted. I believe in you.
01:17:44
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I love Steven Rood. That guy, that guy's amazing. Such an incredible actor. um But I would say the best part of this movie for me, and i I don't think this is a hot take. I think this is actually a fairly tepid and lukewarm take. um Speaking of late and great, Paul Rubens just steals this movie from fucking everyone else in it. And it's kind of amazing. I really love Paul Rubens in this movie, but there are times And he's not the only element of the film that that does this from time to time, but this movie sometimes finds itself in an identity crisis. And most of Paul Rubin's performance is part of that identity crisis. And I don't think it's severe enough to where it it it ruins the tone.
01:18:35
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For me, but it can be a little noticeable because like everything with Buffy and um Merrick and all the high school stuff while it's silly it it seems very realistic But with Paul Rubens and some of the other vampires there They're a little over the top and I think they're supposed to be I think it serves the script actually really well But it can be a little jarring sometimes to kind of switch into that mode, especially like when he dies, you're like, okay, like, I know this is kind of a funny movie, but it's not really a comedy. and So it's okay. all All right. We only spent that much time on it. Okay, we're good. We did not ruin the tone. Moving forward. It works. I'm just saying sometimes you're like, Oh, oh, wait, is it gonna? Nope. Okay, we're good.
01:19:20
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It's a little too silly sometimes. His death scene is like one of my favorite parts of the movie. It's like the best scene in the movie. It is. Out of context, it is the best scene in the film. Out of context. I love getting a little bit more of it during the credits. Yes. Right. Perfect. Because we didn't get enough of it earlier. No, almost. I mean, I've always considered this movie a horror comedy. Yeah. I don't think it's out of place at all.
01:19:45
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I just think that there are different types of humor that kind of butt heads in this film in a few instances. But like I say, it's not egregious enough to where it ruins the tone for me. It's just ah slightly noticeable to me. so That would be something that someone like Joss Whedon would blame on the director not having a firm enough hands. Yeah.
01:20:07
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Whereas because I think I think, you know, I think it's pretty widely known that they pretty much just let Paul Reubens just improvise his death scene. And he did. And everyone on set thought it was so hilarious. Like this fucking just put it in the movie. Like, this is too good. Yeah, that's definitely not to do that. That was a blooper reel until it wasn't. Exactly. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.
01:20:34
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um But like this movie got friend Fran-Kazooie basically put in director's jail. This is the last thing she ever directed. What did she do before this? Tokyo Pop, a 1988 film. I know the cover, but I know nothing about it. Because the cover makes it look animated. It is not at all. Okay.
01:20:55
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Aspiring singer Wendy hops on a plane to Tokyo with dreams of making it big in the music business, she soon finds romance with Hiro, a rock and roll musician who convinces her to become the lead singer in his band. It is like an anime sort of thing though, right? I don't think so. Not based on all the pictures. Well, I've never seen it, so I can't respond to that. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I could be thinking of something else.
01:21:20
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Like, yeah, this does not look in any way animated or how it could be construed as having been animated. But yeah, let me see that for sure. Because I don't know if this is what I'm thinking of. Oh, no. Oh, no. But that's that girl. Carrie Hamilton. Yeah, she was. And then she. But then she didn't. But now she and there's not even clap it out. Yeah, she. Yeah.
01:21:50
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Deep breaths. Yeah, put it all together. I Wikipedia rabbit hold her at one point, but that sounds really a round holder, boys. No, I put down a Wikipedia rabbit hole about her some time ago. I don't I'm not to do it again because I forget what her whole deal was, but it was really interesting. I mean, a lot of has a whole deal. She's a lot of TV. The whole thing. There's like a reason she's unique.
01:22:19
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I don't mimby what it is. Go ahead and Wikipedia that guy. What's her name again, Steven? Say it. Kerry Hamilton. There you go. That's C-A-R-R-I-E? Yes. H-A-M-I-L-T-O-N. Passed away in 2002. And that might be part of like the whole rabbit hole. I'm not sure. I don't remember, but it was interesting and it was a unique story. I mimby that.
01:22:44
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Vaguely interesting woman that I remember reading about is what I'll say. OK. Died of pneumonia as a complication of lung cancer that spread to her brain. Died at 38. Yeah, that's right. Tragically young. Yeah, for sure.
01:23:03
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God, that's depressing. I'm de depressed now. She's not in this movie, though. You don't have to be depressed. I mean, it's true, but we don't have to stay here. But no, I mean, to to circle back to the point like like this movie and the reputation of of this movie kind of ruined Fran Rubel-Kazooie's career as a director. Now, she did go on to she she is, God bless her, credited as a producer on every fucking episode of Buffy and Angel.
01:23:33
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Yeah, dude, dude. So she got paid. Like she got hers and God bless her. um But she did other she did produce other things as well, like she produced Orgasmo, the original Trey Parker, Matt Stone film. Yeah. Well, yeah they did cannibal musical first, didn't they? Oh, that's true. You're right. You're right. The second Trey Parker film, Orgasmo, the film that popular popularized the phrase redonkulous. And the reason that that where that comes from redonkulous, because it's ridiculous. And in that movie, they call dicks, donks, penises. That's your donk. And so when someone says redonkulous, they're saying ridiculous, but in a way that it's like referring to a penis, ah which is why I thought it was funny in the mid Um, or maybe early 2010s, I saw a promo for a show on Cartoon Network aimed at younger children that used the word redonkulous because it had been like so ingrained in the mainstream that nobody thought about what the fuck it meant.
01:24:45
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Well, I say penis reference to say redonkulous is to refer to a penis in an indirect way. I've i've heard of her calculus before. I've i've i actually a pastor once said recoculus to me. I like that guy. Hilarious. I like that guy. i But but yeah, like it like this, this kind of like.
01:25:06
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did like put her in director's jail again. and But because she was a director on this movie, she will basically never have to work again because she's credited as a producer on like 250 plus episodes of television. um And God bless her. You know, I'll bet she's on her yacht right now. And that yacht is called Buffy.
01:25:29
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She's all the way to the bank. Yeah, dude. Having a good time in international waters. You can do whatever you want out there, Steve. Really? Tell me more. Yeah. No laws, dude. No laws. You can do all the drugs, dude. You straight up like punch somebody in the dick and like not get arrested for assault. Specifically that, though.
01:25:49
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Pushing somebody directly in the dick. Excuse me, punching somebody directly in the dock. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Brett. The straight up dog. Also, I'd like to say our gas bill is- See, this is what we're missing when you're not here, by the way. This is what we miss when you're not here.
01:26:05
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As much as I've fallen out of favor with South Park in the last maybe 15 years, I will still vouch for both Cannibal the musical and Orgasmo. They're both really, really fun. If you have the stomach for it, the South Park bigger, longer and uncut. Also very funny. One of the best musicals ever. It's so good. I will say one of the top 10 movie musicals. I fucking love that movie. That's in there somewhere. Yeah. it it Look, it's.
01:26:31
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It came out in 1999, one of the all time great years for film. And I will tell you, it's one of the reasons why. It's part of that. yeah for And I think the best song in the movie this is going to sound really weird coming from me. It's Satan's I want song is probably the best song of that whole damn movie. It is really good. It's so fucking good. Yeah. I'll say it that again.
01:26:56
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Marv was looking through my DVD collection. He was like, you have bigger, longer uncut because he knows me as the like I stopped after stephen season season 11 and I don't give a shit about South Park guy. But man, I still fuck with that movie, though. I was going to say the movie came out like after season four. Like, come on. no I know. I know. I'm just saying I'm kind of like I don't it's.
01:27:15
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It's something I enjoyed to a certain point, and I have no desire to really revisit it outside of the film, but I do love that movie so much. It's good now. It's good again, though. I will tell you, it's good again. It has never stopped being good, that movie. Well, no, I mean, the show is good again now. That's what I've heard as well. Like, if you came back to it, I think you would probably enjoy it. Maybe. Straight up, maybe. I don't know. There's some good stuff there.
01:27:45
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Nice. ah There's two more actors in this film we kind of need to talk about. OK. Luke Perry. Thoughts. How do we feel about Lucas Perry? I like Luke Perry. He's the great Luke Perry. Fine, I guess. I don't I don't really have strong emotions about him, but I have generally positive thoughts on the performances of his that I've seen in films that I enjoy. I was going to say, I never really engage with the stuff he was most popular for, like My sister, like, I know to know or like Riverdale like I was never. So I did. I did know him from that, but like a peripherally, really. Right. Fifth element. That's what he was in that I was like, we he was. Oh, yeah, I guess he was. Oh, yeah. I guess he was. Yeah. Briefly. Yeah. In the beginning, he sure was.
01:28:35
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Aziz every time I watch that movie every time I watch that movie that surprises me though I've probably seen it at least 20 times. Yeah. I'm like, oh look Perry. Oh, yeah, Luke Perry. Oh, right. Look Perry is in this movie. That's right. There he is. Look at him played himself on a on a number of television animated television shows, including The Simpsons Family Guy and Johnny Bravo. Nice. So, yeah, do with that whatever you want.
01:29:03
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And I mean, in this movie, he's playing he's playing Proto Spike. Yeah, yeah. He's so like that's in front of this character's name and you got Spike. That's what you guys I was I was in the green room putting my name um and I thought of putting um Spike, but parentheses around the S. Mm hmm. Now it's going to be my name for the nice. That would ah that would have been it would have been nice.
01:29:29
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Yeah, and I do like I do like Spike in the series as a character, ah but I really wish that. um Like, I'm glad that the TV series that we got existed, but I would love something that follows this film in tone closer. I'd love something
Performance Praise and Career Paths of Buffy Actors
01:29:50
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like that. um I don't think that it would be as serious or lore heavy as the show we got. And I think that would be just fine. I still think it would be a lot of fun, especially if we got someone who understands the assignment like Christy Swanson understood in this movie with her portrayal of this version of this character. Like I said, that's to me, that deserves an Oscar. She gets an Oscar. She gets three Oscars for this movie for the same performance from me personally.
01:30:22
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There's I'm just saying, man, like you're giving me that look to like, oh, but it's a silly movie. But no, dude, she sells it. I believe every motherfucking thing that comes out of her mouth in this movie, everything. Perfect spot on pitch. Perfect. She wins a Tucker for Best Actress. Yes. And then another Tucker for Best Actress. And then what the hell? Fuck it. I'll say it. A third Tucker for Best Actress. Plus three multiplier on that shit. Yeah.
01:30:51
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Yeah. um And I mean, she had ah a decent run there for a little bit in the 90s and then just kind of completely disappear. Like this is her first.
01:31:03
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probably big starring role. She is in Hot Shots the year before and Highway to Hell also. She does three movies in 91 that kind of set her up for this. Mannequin on the Move, the sequel to Mannequin, starring your boy Mischaq Taylor. Not filmed at the Woolworth, like the original. Right. And I think Mischaq Taylor is the only actor that returned for the sequel. I think that's right. I think so, yeah.
01:31:26
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Yeah. um She does Highway to Hell and then Hot Shots in 91. That's a great 91 for her. It's a good 91. And that sets her up for Buffy the Vampire Slayer. After that, she does The Program in 93. Yeah, that's that movie that got in trouble because people were laying in the middle of the street in real life.
01:31:48
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probably i me that you may be that no I don't remember about this at all seeing this was all over the news okay in 94 she does the chase and getting in getting in and then in 95 she does John Singleton's higher learning oh yeah yeah I was freaking she said that right Oh, yeah, right. she she she's she's She's the Luke Perry of that movie. I was going to say she's the Luke Perry of higher learning. Absolutely. And then she does The Phantom in 96, future episode of this podcast, The Phantom. Wait, no, we did The Phantom already. Did we fucking cover The Phantom? You did. I watched it. I wanted to be. but Because that's I'd been trying to watch that since it came out.
01:32:32
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And I finally did and it was for this podcast and the same thing is going to happen with the shadow and I cannot wait. We have a guess hawai for the shadow, too. I it' just like the Phantom. I've wanted to watch it since it came out, but it's always just like right. It always just gets bumped down just enough on my list to where I've never watched it. At this point, you're just in it you just save it for the podcast like whenever we cover for the podcast. Yes, that's that's the plan. And then in 90, later in 96, she does a TV movie, Marshall Law with Jimmy Smits.
01:33:07
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You're going to do a TV movie. You might as well do one with Jimmy Smits. Jimmy Smits. That's a pro pro Smits podcast. And then eight. And then in 97, she does eight heads in a duffel bag. Oh, I'm a I'm ah ah one of the few defenders that film I own. It does not surprise me at all that you are a fan of a duffel bag. It's in that it's kind of in that time where um They were trying to make really dark comedies, but nobody wanted anything to do with it. Like eight heads in a duffel bag and very bad things. Perfect double feature for me. The darkest of comedies. Like you have to be kind of like you have to decide that you're like just going to pretend you're not a good person for a while to enjoy. that
01:33:52
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I'm and see I'm the kind of guy who I've just like no one does a dark comedy better than Danny DeVito. Like if I'm going to watch a dark comedy, I'm going to watch something like Throw Mama from the Train. I'm going to watch Death to Smoochie. Jack the Bear. Like the ultimate for me. Well, that's not a Danny DeVito directed film.
01:34:09
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Yeah, but to anyone who's seen that, that's a pretty funny joke that I said that just then. OK. Calling it a dark comedy is pretty funny. OK. If you've seen it, that's a silly thing to say. It's a really silly thing to say. That's a hangover movie. I mean, I have seen it on Sunday, Sunday afternoons on television. That's why it's on television. Yes, because that's when you watch it. It's Sunday afternoon when you finally wake up, but you're still really dry and like you feel like you're going to die and you need really greasy fast food.
01:34:39
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And so after that, but she kind of starts to be relegated to like TV movies or B movies. Tinseltown Bad to the Bone in 97, Ground Control in 98, Supreme Sanction in 99, but also in 99, Big Daddy. Hey, that's true. In 2000, dude, where's my car?
01:35:02
Speaker
Where's your car, dude? Dude, where's my car? Where's your car, dude? I feel like future episode of this podcast. Dude, where's my car? Really? I don't know. Was there? I think there was. um No, there was not. Are you sure? No, he it's one of those things where he just saying that. No, that was called Harold and Kumar go to White Castle and it's not a sequel. It's a spiritual spinoff.
01:35:32
Speaker
If they made a second one, it was directed video, and I honestly do not know about it, but I feel like that would be possible. Possible sequel, a sequel titled, seriously, dude, whereas my car was planned circa 2003, but became stuck in development hell for several years and never materialized in 2016. Put it on the list. ah You know what? It's never fucking getting made now that Ashley Kutcher is pretty much Roman Polanskiing himself to Europe after the whole Diddy shit. So we really can't put it on the list now.
01:35:59
Speaker
Well, we were a little suspicious of him before that because yeah he was all like, oh, Danny Masterson's a cool guy. I'd even write it in an official document for a court for his case. We love him. Oh, wait, you mean it? It's not it's not now it's not it's going to be seen by other people other than the judge. Well, I didn't know that. Oh, no, it's already on the list. Fucking. Yeah, dude, where's my car? Already on the list, dude. There you go. is that believes I haven't never fucking going to happen.
01:36:29
Speaker
I do really like that movie because of how dumb it is, but I haven't watched it in probably seven years. So I'm interested to see how it finds me
Box Office, Critical Reception, and Legacy of Buffy
01:36:40
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in 2025, 26, whenever we cover it. And after that, like it's just like her two thousands then are just obscure after obscure eventually like starts doing like Hallmark movies and then ones.
01:36:57
Speaker
ah yeah I mean, yeah, she's in Angels in the Snow. um You fucking tell me um she's on the show psych. Eventually she becomes a Trump supporter. Oh, yeah stephen that' not no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Fuck off, Steven. Shut up. No more. No more. You're done. Rewind. Oh, a little bit.
01:37:22
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You know what really is really surprising to me is that Christy Swanson, who as far as we know, has no um negative political beliefs.
01:37:33
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um that she never had a role on the show as a different character because I see a lot of like reboot shows and shows that are retellings of films or are different narrations of a character like with the flash show. You know, they had like the the guy who played the flash in the eighties and the nineties. He was like a different character. Plus he was also that flash on that show. But you know what I mean? They'd be bringing people back as different characters that were part of the original thing.
01:37:59
Speaker
And I would have loved to see Christy Swanson as something in the show. Right, but Whedon's never going to let that happen. Whedon's never going to invite the star of 2020's Obamagate the movie to be on his show because he hated Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and the experience so much. He's not going to have her back to do that. But no, Christy Swanson was in a 2020 movie with Dean Kane called Obamagate the movie.
01:38:28
Speaker
no I don't want to. i let Anyway, what a stellar performance in this film from Chris Swanson.
01:38:41
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Hilary Swank, though, two time Academy Award winner Hilary Swank. I'll tell you, she's not um like she's fine in this movie, but it's odd how.
01:38:53
Speaker
she's really the performance i'm probably the most indifferent about in this film that's fair an Oscar winner twice also i've seen her in next karate kid too so i know she has chops but i know she can flounder as well i've seen that shit we've seen both uh get you a girl who can do both I've also seen boys don't cry. And that's one of the best performances I've ever seen. So it's just the performance. Don't tell me. Don't tell me I don't love Hilary Swank because that movie I I'm going to die watching that movie because I'm going to be so sad. Next time all of us, there are two Christie Swansons.
01:39:30
Speaker
That's true. And and two Hillary Swanks. Yes. Like so many fucking Hillary Swanks. All the Hillary Swanks. Oh, my God. So many Hillary Swanks. Well, maybe not. Never mind. I don't want it. I don't want a Trump supporter inside of me. Get that out of there. Get that out of there. That's this terrible. Again, separating the artist from the art. Fantastic performance. You get three tuckers for that performance again.
01:39:58
Speaker
But yeah, like this is this is literally Hilary Swank's first film performance. She has four TV performances prior to this, and then it like this is her first film movie. And then I think I think i mentioned this on the episode. her ah Her second movie is The Next Karate Kid. like We've covered Hilary Swank's first two films on this podcast. That's true. Yeah, keep going. What's next?
01:40:28
Speaker
ah Her her next theatrically released film is a movie called quiet days in Hollywood where she plays the unfortunately named Lolita ah ah see Damn you popular as hell Yeah, that's my alarm yeah, right no, that's the Oh, Brad, come back to bed. That's what it is.
01:40:59
Speaker
Ash works third shifts. Remember, she's at work right now. Wow. What else? What else? What else do we have to say about Buffy, gentlemen? You guys want to take a trip over to the video game corner? Fuck yes. Let's do it. Do it. So now that I have you guys over here.
01:41:25
Speaker
Oh shit. Yeah. 140, 140. Okay. I got you. Don't worry about it. He did the thing. You did it. You did it. Fantastic. Wow. Oh, I'm going to have to go clean up. I lured you over here under false pretenses. No, those are the best. In this instance, the best of pretenses. Thank you. Get me every time he gets me every time. And we, and we love him for it. We truly, truly do.
01:41:55
Speaker
We have it about four minutes and at one hour and 40 minutes got it. Okay played the long game on that one. Yeah, it's Mmm, it's gonna be nice. bre I can't wait to beep that god bless you sir. That was Masterfully done. Yeah well done ah got those inmate once yeah and And we love to see it again, this is what we miss when you're not here man, it's true the energy This has been some really fun energy this episode. i've I've really enjoyed this. This has been a good time. It's been a good time. And speaking of good of a good time, ah Buffy the Vampire Slayer opens July 31st, 1992. It opens to number five at the box office with a $4.5 million dollar opening weekend on its way
01:42:44
Speaker
to 14 domestic, no real overseas ah performance here. So it does double its production budget of seven million. But ah the the word of mouth on this is not good enough to sustain it for longer. I would say if I may interject for a second that this is a movie that really found its audience on home video and on television and back then.
01:43:10
Speaker
you could make money on a movie that way. Like back then, you you got your theatrical returns and you're like, oh, well, that wasn't as much as we wanted, but we'll probably be fine with video and TV. Buffy did gangbusters on video and TV. So they did not get their shit back theatrically, but they made some money on this motherfucker for sure. Right. Otherwise the show doesn't get made. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly.
01:43:35
Speaker
um um Opening at number one though, Bobby Zemeckis film, another horror comedy of sorts, ah Death Becomes Her. That is a fun movie. I do enjoy Death Becomes Her. yeah yeah do ah in In second place, a sequel in three weekends, it's earned $38 million. dollars um Honey, I blew up the kid.
01:44:01
Speaker
Not a bad sequel. It's it's what it's what it is. It's fine. It's not bad. um Number three, a movie I've never seen, but I feel like you toddler one that Tucker would enjoy ah mo money. Damon Wayans is mo money. I do like that movie to a certain point. If Damon Wayans is involved, I'm also involved in viewing it. He did. There there was a point to where like he it it just we kind of we kind of went separate paths right about early 2000s, but before that, hmm. On board. Parallel. Parallel. And in fourth place, a league of their own. What if there was a league of their own? Do you guys remember how I lived there? Oh yes, you did inform us of this. I lived there. You have to. Steven said it was they didn't exist, but it's a real place. Right, because it doesn't. I understand, yeah.
01:44:59
Speaker
No, I've been to the studio. I didn't see any games, but they used to have a farmer's market there. So let's go there quite a bit. That's pretty cool. ah In fifth place, we have Buffy, the vampire slayer. and That's the movie. That's this that's the movie we've been talking about. We were talking about rounding out the top 10. You've got a Sister Act in sixth place opening. What's her nuts? Just died. Maggie Smith. Yeah. Dame Maggie.
01:45:25
Speaker
Yeah, dude. That was one of those when I when I dropped that in the group chat when I was like, oh, I loved her in the Sister Act movies. Like half my coworkers were like, wait, she was in that. Oh, that's right. I forgot she was in that. Clash of the Titans, the original, not the remake.
01:45:41
Speaker
yeah oh yeah that's right she's creat episode of this podcast The future future of this podcast the original clash the titans yes i love that movie i love the effects the stop motion is fantastic and then that's the last harry house tracking fast track it dude.
01:45:56
Speaker
All right, it'll be on in like February. And that scene in Hook made the rounds on social media because they died exactly the same amount of years that Wendy and Peter had been apart and home right yeah they died on the same day, exactly the same amount of years apart. Right. And then I think Michael Gambon, it was like a year later to the day, almost like.
01:46:20
Speaker
Yeah, so. um In seventh place, opening at number seven, Bebe's Kids, ah based on one of the funniest standup bits of all time. I like that movie, too. You can't deny that. Have you seen the movie, Steve? I have never seen the movie, but I fucking love the standup bit. Oddly enough, he used to watch the movie a lot on HBO when I was way too young to really understand yeah the movie. But yeah, we're we're we multiply. We're Bebe's kids.
01:46:51
Speaker
Um, yeah, fuck. Yeah. that a Robin Harris, man. RIP. Uh, in eighth place, Eddie Murphy, uh, in Boomerang.
01:47:05
Speaker
yeah That's funny but fine. That's fine. Uh, in ninth place, a movie called unlawful entry. What if, what if someone entered unlawfully? Unlawfully, yeah. Without the protection of the law. Right. And then in 10th place, um, a little movie called universal soldier.
01:47:22
Speaker
Oh yeah, with the Jean-Claude Van Dammes. With the Jean-Claude Van Dammes. Damn. The JCB. That's a pretty hardcore 90s top 10. Those are my iconic 90s films in there. And then ah in 11th, you've got Howard Zanden in 12th. You've got Alien 3. So.
01:47:38
Speaker
Yeah, right. Like that's just that's a solid box office. I don't know about alien three, but it's not the worst alien. It's far from the worst alien. It's it's not. It's the worst. So in my opinion, it's the worst of the original trilogy, but that's as far as I'm willing to go. I you know what? Yeah. Although once you see Romulus, the two prequels sort of improve.
01:48:04
Speaker
I liked Romulus a lot. Romulus is really good. The lore that they drop in Romulus improves the two sequels. There's one thing I really didn't like about Romulus, and Brett, you probably can figure out what it is, but yeah. I might not be able to. I'm not really sure what it would be.
01:48:21
Speaker
oh I really don't give a fuck about no alien that much, but that's Fedi Alvarez, boys. It is. That's your boy, Fedi Alvarez. You know, I'm into that, dude. I know you do. I know you do. What didn't you like about Rami, the Steven spoiler? Fucking give it to me. tu I don't want to hear. Yeah.
01:48:40
Speaker
Uh, the, the de-aging on Ian Holm. I fucking hated that shit. Oh yeah. I mean, I don't really care about that sort of thing, but i but you know, I do. So, well, I mean, I forgot that you do, but yet now that you say that it makes sense. you Yeah. That tracks. Okay. Come on back, Tucker. Okay. and It's really, it's really not that much of a spoiler because it happened so soon in a movie. I know, but it's it they treat it like a reveal though. So i that's true. Don't ruin my cold open. Nope. I'm not.
01:49:09
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ah Tomatometer score for Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a 36%. The critic's consensus Buffy the Vampire Slayer's supernatural coming-of-age tale is let down by poor directing and even poorer plotting, though Christy Swanson and Paul Rubens' game performances still manage to slay. Fuck yeah.
Ghostbusters Cosplay and Community Interaction
01:49:29
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Slay is an understatement for both of those performances.
01:49:32
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ah The meta score is a 48 based on mixture average reviews from 17 critics. And Tucker, wanna take a stab at the letterbox score on this one? um This is gonna be in between a 2.5, oh fuck no, it's gonna be a 2.7 and a 3.2.
01:49:55
Speaker
It's a 2.8. yeah Oh, I did it. Yeah, you know boy. He did it. He did it. So, Brett, out of five stars, how are you rating 1992's Buffy the Vampire Slayer? I'm going to hit this with a three. Okay, fair. Tucker?
01:50:19
Speaker
um this is a four out of five with the caveat that I tend to do when it's a film that is not objectively what I'm rating it, but I just love it so much for certain reasons that I have a lot of fun with it. It's a Tucker four. Okay.
01:50:38
Speaker
i'm i'm I'm sticking with Brett. I'm a going with a three on this one. That's fair. It's a three for me too. like I am pleased. There's things I enjoy. There are things that I don't. The things that I enjoy slightly outweigh the things that I don't, but there you go. That's that's what it is for me.
01:50:55
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01:51:22
Speaker
All of that. It's going to be so much fun. Me and Steven are going to argue. We're going to get mad at each other. It's going to be great. We're going to stop being my friend and not talk to me for like a month afterwards. We're going to be in costume. It'll be great. Yeah. And we're going to post pictures of Brett in his costume on social media. It's going to be wonderful. But we'll probably post some sneak peeks.
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01:52:44
Speaker
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01:53:23
Speaker
Um, and speaking of social media, I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy. Uh, you can find me on Instagram letter boxed and, um, what's the other one blue sky red chey at chewy walrus. Um, Brett, where can we find you on the socials these days?
01:53:43
Speaker
I mostly just letterboxed. i I sometimes post on Instagram once in a blue moon. You've been posting fairly often on Instagram, I think the last couple of weeks. No. No. I've been one post in the past. Hold on. Hold on. Wait. I'll look just to confirm. Like month. Wait for it. Hold on. Wait. Wait. Keep waiting.
01:54:09
Speaker
August was the last time I posted. Don't leave. Hear us out. Hear us out. Don't leave. Hear us out. Hear us out. Hear us out. Hear us out. see i post i just posted a couple days ago last time before that was august oh see i thought you had posted uh your the pictures of you in costume on uh on insta but apparently um that was that was just a preliminary sneak preview that was a jiggy chest that was the group chat okay first costume test we're all boys fuck yeah love that love that for us well then
01:54:41
Speaker
only the cool people got to see those photos because i'm not entirely happy with them hell yeah i was look ill i'll be honest with you guys i like i wasn't as happy putting it all on as i thought i would be and i don't really know why that is i gotta unpack that so Well because well you did that's the first time you put it on you gotta adjust some shit man. You gotta make it work for you yeah Maybe it work maybe that's what it is. Yeah know yeah it was turninging After the fact I was like I'm not smiling in any of these photos and I don't feel as good as I thought I would putting it all on Yeah, cause you hadn't busted yet bustin make you feel good, right? Bustin does make me feel good. You got a trap though. Do you have a trap?
01:55:22
Speaker
I have not gotten the trap because that's why that's why well it's like there's no way to really attach it to the belt. But they do in the movie. if There's a little core cable. Yeah, but like the replica ones don't.
01:55:39
Speaker
I mean, they recently did. So Hasbro has done some really high end replica things the past few years. I had the plastic one when I was a kid. It was cool.
01:55:49
Speaker
oh Yeah, me too the real Ghostbusters over I totally did But like outside of the Hasbro ones There there's been a couple but they're all but they're all added like they're all out of production now They're super expensive. The one you can get for spirit Halloween isn't really that great um I do have sort of like a level of where I want it to be, like, because there's some other things I could get from Spirit Halloween, like the trap or the walkie talkie, but those are not screen accurate in any way, shape or form. Now, could you get like some kind of schematic for that, Brett? Because like I know,
01:56:29
Speaker
um like I always wanted a Tom Servo. And outside of paying someone an exorbitant amount on eBay or Etsy, like the best way to do that is you can buy, you can pay for like the schematic and you have to buy like the certain parts and you can put it together yourself. It tells you exactly how to do it and exactly what you need. Yeah. you Um, I'm not that handy. Even if you could for the trap, I don't think so.
01:56:57
Speaker
I mean, I'm sure you could if you're handy enough. Like a lot of, you know, before the internet was a thing, Ghostbusters fans were putting together their own shit left and right. Like people were building pro time packs from scratch back in the day. Like, whereas now you could 3D print them or what most people do is they either they'll buy the Spirit Halloween pack and modify it. Yeah. That's probably a good start. Yeah.
01:57:20
Speaker
It is. Yeah. And, you know, Hasbro has been selling a lot of really good stuff. I wish I'd had the money when they done this most recent fundraiser last year. It was the two in the brought two in the box. Quoting this from earlier. Yeah. That was a scale replica of the ghost trap and a replica of PKE meter. And both of them hit their stretch goals to come with a holster to put them on the belt. Have we gotten the Gaga meter yet?
01:57:49
Speaker
No, that is something that people want, but people are also like they're never going to do that. It's too obscure. Most people think the second movie's bad, so they're not going to do that. Well, you know what they always say, Brett? Spirit, some people hear it. Some people fear it. Some people just won't go near it. They won't go near it, yeah. I mean, I think the one thing they might do from Ghostbusters 2 eventually is a slime blower replica. That might happen, maybe. Damn, you're about to. You can get Vico paintings.
01:58:18
Speaker
You can totally get a video. I get a video painting. You know, I'm not a guy what likes collectibles and shit, but I would get a video painting for sure. I do. I do want to get a video painting eventually and probably put it up in my office here. So in your grand room. In the den. I mean, in the study. I don't know if Ash would want to video painting in the living room anywhere. So you put it in the study. Well, you don't have a study. What? I don't have studies. I don't have studies.
01:58:48
Speaker
Sorry. My apologies. So all I've got are the goggles. The only thing that's like the sort of extra periphery sort of gadget I have is the goggles. And that's it. so But that's probably all I'm going to do. I mean, that's enough. I don't need to do it anymore. It's OK. I can rest. I've gotten everything. I can rest.
01:59:13
Speaker
Now, you know that if ever someone needs a ghostbuster, you can at least visually represent that accurately at any time now at the drop of a hat. Somebody calls you three o'clock in the morning. Brett, we need somebody that looked like a ghostbuster for real. You'd be like, got you. Is it at least seventy five dollars, though? You're going to give me. No, no jump is too big. No fee is too big.
01:59:39
Speaker
Well, there is a Circle City Ghostbusters. There's usually a Ghostbusters group. and almost Yeah, I know those guys. Yeah. What's your dorks? I don't i don't know. i like I don't know if I want to join them anyway. because like they They have a charter and I have a whole thing about like you have to have modified your gear in one way or another, at least a little bit. Oh, they're even more lame now than they used to be? Damn. Yeah. yeah i don't I put an Alice frame on my pack and that's all I did. And maybe that would count. I don't know, but I really don't want even want to try. But but anyway, yeah, Louisville Ghostbusters are better. You should join them, Brad. Those are the guys you want to get with. That's close enough. A couple hours. I couldn't attend their stuff.
02:00:26
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But anyway, yeah, it it looks pretty accurate, as everyone will see once we post pictures to tuesday the layman. It looks very accurate. You can't really tell a difference. um But to a fan, like if I were to take my outfit to the circus of the Ghostbusters, I would be like, this looks like shit. Yeah, but Brett, as a fan, if you came over to my house in that outfit, I would think that it was rad as fuck. Probably, yeah, because you are a normal, sane person who just enjoys Ghostbusters. Oh, yeah.
02:00:56
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Yeah. so baker Just the fact that you have the little clips on the belt, like that's enough for me. I'm like, Oh, that's a detail. I never, I didn't expect to be like kind of on something like that. Yeah. They, they sell, they sell those specific, I believe out like clips, like hooks on Etsy. I got those on Etsy. Fantastic.
02:01:19
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Yeah, I love that. Crazy, man. Yeah. Anyway, with social media, we're we talking about social media. Yeah, I'm on. Yeah, I'm on YouTube and Instagram at Ice 909. That's I C E N I N E the number zero. And the number nine. Also, tuck mugs is still a thing. Tuck underscore mugs. I actually I had a post that I meant to do last night.
02:01:48
Speaker
because I had some soup last night and I put it in this mug that I've been meaning to put on tuck mugs. And I'm kind of disappointed that I forgot to do that because I thought about it while I was making the soup. I was like, oh, I better take a picture once I make it.
02:02:03
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didn't happen, but next time I use this mug, which will be soon because it only got up to like 48 degrees today here. High of 48 here today. So your boys, your boys going to be like nips deep in some soup for a long time. Cause soup is my, my winter meal. Give me a grilled cheese and some soup. I'm good. That's all I need. Just one of those a day and I'm good. Oh, hell yeah.
02:02:30
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And, uh, so that'll, next time I make some soup, which will probably be in the next couple of days, I will post that mug. So be prepared for something, uh, soon. Also, um, I've been speaking to my social media manager about reaching out, um, to our, uh, our past and future guests cat to see if, uh, she's going to make good on that very.
02:02:56
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And
Teaser for Next Episode and Social Media Engagement
02:03:48
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that. is our episode on 1992's Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Join us next week for the penultimate episode of our fifth annual spooky-thon as we cover a movie I've been trying to cover for years. um Not because I've ever seen it, not because I think it's good, just because I've been trying to cover it for years and I finally get my chance next week and I'm kind of excited about it.
02:04:16
Speaker
And that's my birthday. And that's your birthday. So it's good next week's episode is my birthday. Yeah. so So be sure to wish Tucker a happy birthday. Not right now. No, I know. Wait a week. Not yet. Won't be soon. Wait for it. my Yeah. us out Here Here is how. Don't leave.
02:04:40
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Yes, yes, we did watch Glory Hole Sushi this many times. I've watched it. I've been listening to that song on loop for the past week. I don't care if I see it come up on YouTube as a recommended video at any point. I will watch the whole thing. I don't care. I did a mini, mini episode. They did a mini episode of the podcast on it this week. They did. Yeah, it was very good.
02:05:07
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So until next time, ah This has been disenfranchised. I'm Stephen Foxworthy from my co-host Brett Wright and Tucker until next time ah You son of a bitch pew pew pew