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218 - Bodied (2018) w/ Evan ‘Jimmy’ Wilson (Straight Up 006)
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“That audience reaction. It’s like heroin.”
It’s a fifth Thursday, so we’re Straight Up going off format to cover the third Joseph Kahn film we’ve ever covered! And who better to join us than Grand Voodoo Band’s own Evan Wilson (or ‘Jimmy’ as Tucker is inclined to call him)? Along the way, we talk about the dichotomy between progressive ideals and transgressive art, our rankings of Joseph Kahn films, and what makes Kahn Tucker’s “next Ti West”!
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:54
Speaker
Let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor. Disenfranchised podcast! We're that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. Or at least we normally are. Sometimes we're not. Under the normals.
00:01:18
Speaker
I'm so dumb. Under the normal circumstances, I would be your host, Steven Foxworthy. But sometimes we get real weird with it because sometimes, because he holds the podcast hostage once or about four times a year, um we let one of our co-hosts... Yeah, exactly. Four times a year. That's what I said. um We let one of our co-hosts do whatever the fuck he wants. Otherwise, he's going to get real annoying with it. And this is one of those... like Don't look at me like you don't know if that's true.
00:01:47
Speaker
um This is one of those weeks, so I'm handing the reins over to my co-host, our very own Mackleless, if you will. It's Tucker. Hey, Tucker. Hey, Steven. How's it going? Not bad, sir. How are you?
Mix-up and Guest Introduction
00:02:03
Speaker
I'm doing okay. I just watched Bodied. Yeah. and ah Yeah.
00:02:09
Speaker
Yeah. Joseph Kahn, man. Oh, wait. That was I. I may or may not have watched Halina Rain's Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. Was that not what we're? Oh, I like that movie, too. You do talk about that. Jimmy, did do you see that movie, Bodies, Bodies, Bodies? No, not yet. OK, well, let's stop recording now. Jimmy's going to go watch Bodies, Bodies, Bodies.
00:02:34
Speaker
OK, Dan, that's obviously a better use of your time. Was that the 24 one?
00:02:42
Speaker
Yeah, from 2022. Yeah, yeah. With ah Rachel Sennett and ah ah Pete Davidson and all those people. Yeah, I did not see that. Yeah, I like that movie. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. The other voice you're hearing is that of our guest tonight. I have it on good authority that the Rock Monster from The Fantastic Four gave him permission to say the N word.
00:03:04
Speaker
I don't know about that. It is our good friend, Evan, don't call him Jimmy Wilson. Evan, how are we doing tonight? I'm doing really good, dude. I'm doing really good. We're glad to have you here tonight to talk about bodies, bodies, bodies.
Discussion on 'Bodied' and Joseph Kahn's Work
00:03:22
Speaker
yeah
00:03:25
Speaker
ah So, Tucker, this is this is your show. this is This is straight up, man. We're straight up talking about Joseph Kahn's 2017 or 18, depending on where you look how you're looking at it, ah bodied And it stars Callum Worthy, Jackie Long, Rory Uphold, Dumbfound Dead, ah Walter Perez, Shaniqua Shanday, Charlamagne the God, Disaster, ah Loaded Lux, Hollow to Dawn, Deborah Wilson, the Great Deborah Wilson, ah Anthony Michael Hall, ah
00:04:01
Speaker
a very, very stacked cast. It also has a someone named Eminem has a producer credit on this film. it's um It's it's quite, quite the object. Dare I say it? What a cast. What a picture. What a picture. Gosh, you guys had neither of you guys had seen this before, right? This is the only Joseph Kahn feature I had not seen up to this point, which is to say the only one we've not covered on the podcast up to this point.
00:04:31
Speaker
Now, unfortunately, I don't think Jimmy's seen torque or detention. I think I discovered detention like the second I moved to Washington, I think. So that kind of. I wasn't able to share it with them.
00:04:50
Speaker
Well, is that right, Jimmy? Yeah, I mean, you miss all the shots you don't take, dude. So. Word, word. Yeah. OK.
00:05:02
Speaker
And Steven, you said you've seen you've seen the other two. I've seen both Torque and Detention because we watched them for this podcast. We watched Torque as a main feed episode ah when the most recent Fast and Furious film came out and then we watched Detention as a previous installment of Straight Up.
00:05:20
Speaker
That's true. Yeah. I think you liked both of them too. I did. Yeah. And honestly, I just, as a spoiler for later in the podcast, I like this one about as much as I liked attention. Like they have kind of there, they, they land on similar ground for me. They share some of the same cast too. Similar DNA for sure. Well, I mean that there's some of the same cast as well. Right. That's what I said. He said similar DNA, dude.
00:05:48
Speaker
Well, yeah, but that too. I mean, the cast is part of the DNA. What do we what do you got really semantic about this? Like, what are we doing? I guess so, dude. I don't know. I don't know either, man. I just I just work here.
00:06:04
Speaker
Well, um but yeah, this this is the movie that we watched, and it was recommended by Tucker, who ah loves Joseph Kahn. I mean, see our previous episodes on torque and detention, really, to hear about Tucker's love for Joseph Kahn. Am I right? I do. I do love him. He's my new Ty West ah because Ty West doesn't need my help anymore. Not anymore. Not after i for X and Pearl. He's fine.
00:06:31
Speaker
X hit I had to find somebody else and luckily there was Joseph Khan. Now I knew Torque existed ah kind of since it came out but it wasn't really on my radar because like from the trailers it just it was it wasn't very well marketed I don't think eat um didn't really represent the tone of the film ah but when I saw Detention and then I went back to see Torque I decided he's my new guy and that's why I seeked out <unk>died And I'm very excited to see his new film, Ick, that will be hopefully- He's the festival circuit probably toward the end of this year. Yes, hopefully soon. Er, then
Warner Bros., Troma Films, and Film Tastes
00:07:14
Speaker
later. I mean, we are finally getting the toxic Avenger movie theatrically, which I'm very excited about. Not that Joseph Kahn had anything to do with that, but yeah. Was I wrong to think that at one point they were saying that that was just going to be a tax write-off?
00:07:30
Speaker
Um, I don't know. I mean, here's the thing. After the whole Warner Brothers debacle of the last couple of years, you could be forgiven for saying so. Well, because Warner Brothers kind of shit the bed with a lot of their great films.
00:07:44
Speaker
Well, because I remember a lot of news about it when it was being filmed. And then like the last I heard was that like nobody bought it and it's not going to be released. Well, that's not true anymore, because the people that brought us Terrifier 3 are doing us all a big solid and ah probably going to make a mint marketing and and putting out the toxic Avenger.
00:08:06
Speaker
They know their audience. They do. And that's why I think it's going to be pretty successful. So I'm excited to watch the entirety of the ah Toxic Avenger franchise. And then for this podcast, when it comes out, Sergeant Kabukiman NYPD, man, which I know you're excited for, Tucker.
00:08:25
Speaker
You know, it's like trauma movies are rad and shit, but I'm just like I'm past that point in my life, Stephen. I got to a certain age where I was like, I don't I just don't think I need to watch trauma movies anymore. Like I watched them and they were cool. So what you're saying is just when they thought you just when you thought you were out, they pulled you back in. Right back in, man. They pulled me back in.
00:08:51
Speaker
I don't know, it's a really shitty Pacino, but there you go. Recognizable, though. I would say if you say so, like, oh, that's that line from that movie. He's probably doing Pacino.
00:09:08
Speaker
I saw my first trauma movie for the first time just a couple of years ago, actually. And which one? and one we Which one was it? Chillers. Oh, boy. With the.
00:09:19
Speaker
And the people from the people from the bus stop and yeah. Here's the thing about chillers. It is a really terrible movie, but I had so much fun. It's like one of those one star in a heart on letterbox kind of movies. Like that's where I fall on chillers. Yeah, so I think I saw it a long time ago and I don't remember anything about it except for the little things with the things and they and yeah, I guess I think I liked it. OK.
00:09:50
Speaker
It's fun. It's a bad movie, but it's so much fun. That's back when I watched te Troma films though. Right. We're going to get you back into Troma films. We're going to get you back into Troma films this year. Is there a time in my life for that? It's right now. I'm just looking at my watch here and it is right now.
00:10:07
Speaker
Like I do plan on watching the toxic avenger remake, but I don't feel like I need to go any further than that. No, we were, well, we're going to, we're going to watch Sargent Kabukam in NYPD for this podcast. A thing you were actually legitimately excited about no less than like a year ago.
00:10:22
Speaker
Cause I was like, we're going to watch that. I watched trauma films. Are you saying you've outgrown it this year? that Only just. I refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that you, I don't think you're capable of that kind of personal growth, Tucker. No offense. I love you. That's, that's where you're wrong, Steven. That's where you're wrong.
Themes and Style of 'Bodied'
00:10:44
Speaker
Oh, but we're not here to talk about trauma. We're going to do that another time when Toxic Avenger comes out in theaters. For right now, we're here to talk about bodies. Twenty seventeen's bodied, um a.k.a. a nerdier eight mile.
00:11:04
Speaker
but fair I've actually not seen 8 Mile, so I have no idea if that's accurate. It's like if 8 Mile were made sort of as a sports film, like a boxing movie almost. okay I'd even say it's like 8 Mile meets like Scott Pilgrim versus the world sort of aesthetics. yeah That's that's actually got that. Yeah, he's got that visual style. That's something that is pretty consistent throughout his films, as he will kind of go out there and put little clip arts and graphics and stuff in there. Just to accentuate things. And something like probably was he doing it before Edgar? Yeah, before what, Stephen? Was he doing it before Edgar Wright or did Edgar Wright beat him to it?
00:11:53
Speaker
Oh, Edgar Wright was like Scott Pilgrim came out way before detention, at least. Didn't I'm not sure about with Torque. OK, well, and I don't remember there being too many of those graphics in Torque because Torque is a very specific kind of send up. It's it's like funny, fast and furious or like fast and furious with motorcycles. So but I mean, it it it kind of had ah the same kind of silly tone as that with like a the way Ice Cube's character was and like some of the more reality bending things that he was doing with his motorcycle and guns and stuff. Right. Yeah. No, that movie does dip into the absurd. And I think that's the thing that Kahn really embraces is there's a he the way he melds the absurdity of these ideas with
00:12:46
Speaker
kind of the visceral reality of the world that he is. I think detention may be less so than Torkan embodied, but yeah, he he does a very good job of combining reality with absurdity in this movie. And I think that's one of the one of the things that makes it stand out amid other movies.
00:13:07
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I think he's he's always been he's always had a very unique visual style and it obviously comes from his music video background. Dudes made hundreds of music videos for everybody. He sure has. You throw a rock um in a crowd of musicians and like it's going to pass by four or five people that he did a video with and hit somebody he did like two videos with. Yeah.
00:13:32
Speaker
I was at someone on letterbox was like, man, I wish we got more than, you know, a movie every eight years from this guy. But I guess those Taylor Swift music videos aren't going to direct themselves. You know, I'll bet that pays to. I'm sure it does. Yeah.
00:13:46
Speaker
he He makes, the the reason I think he doesn't do as many features as he does is because he is really making mad bank from being a music video director. It's the same reason why Kinka Usher never directed a movie after Mystery Men. A, he hated it, and B, he's making too much money doing commercials to really fuck with it, so. That's too bad, though, because that's a good movie. Mystery Men's a great movie. See, our previous episode on Mystery Men, that movie fucking rules. We love it so much.
00:14:14
Speaker
Indeed, indeed. Joseph Kahn, though, wins. some
Media Literacy and Cultural Critiques
00:14:20
Speaker
I wonder, when's he going to have a big hit, Steven? When's it going to happen? What am I going to have to move on? I don't want to. I want more time with him. I look, I'm sure because it came out this year. Torque or a bodied came out here his three movies. Torque comes out in 2004 and then we get seven years later in 2011, we get detention. And then was it six years after that, we get bodied.
00:14:44
Speaker
in 2017 and then twenty seven we get another seven years between Bodied and Ick. It comes out last year hitting the festival circuit. So like that he really died like every six or seven years, he just comes out with a movie. And I think and and but in between those, he makes a shit ton of music videos ah in between bodied. And he also does TV, but he's doing music videos for Taylor Swift, ah Maroon five, Jennifer Lopez, Imagine Dragons, DJ Khaled.
00:15:19
Speaker
ah This is a little huddy. I don't know who that is. um more ah he He did a TV special with Mariah Carey. Nice. Ava Max, Nicki Minaj, Lenny Kravitz. like Respect. do just Do just work in. And and good for him. Yeah, dude. For sure. And again, we we on the disenfranchised podcast slash straight up are never going to begrudge an artist making money.
00:15:49
Speaker
ever. And well, my thing is, is like, I want him to go the Ty West route and have a big hit. But also if he had a big hit, we couldn't talk about it on straight up. I think he is one of those guys who his his taste in the films that he makes is so esoteric. It's for a very specific kind of people and a very specific kind of audience. And the the ideal audience for a Joseph Kahn film is Tucker.
00:16:19
Speaker
Hey, hey, that's me. Like you are the you are the exact perfect audience for this filmmaker, right? I think so. And look, I'm sure there I'm sure there are others. I'm sure there are dozens of you, dozens. But ah but again, it there's it something he does has got to hit with the cultural zeitgeist and it feels like he's a guy who's maybe just a couple steps ahead.
00:16:51
Speaker
Yeah, i I wanted to mention that too, because i'm every time I watch a Joseph Kahn movie, I'm like, this is... I don't know when the time is going to be for this, but I think it's a little ahead of its time. Right. I don't know when that time's going to be, where it'll be appreciated, but...
00:17:10
Speaker
Well, I think a lot of it is the word of mouth thing. I think the fact that we tend to cover these movies, if not, you know, several years after they come out, um it's it's us doing our part to get the word out. Right. Like Joseph Kahn, guy to follow person you want to know more about. So, you know, check his films out. um We've covered all of the ones that have gotten released, like beyond the festival circuit on this podcast. So go listen to our previous episodes on torque and detention and then come back and listen to this one some more.
00:17:41
Speaker
And hey, that's the whole point of Straight Up, Steven, is to share with people films that that maybe they're not aware of, maybe that would normally not be in their purview, you know? Now, Evan, well evan was this like is the first time watch for you this time?
00:18:01
Speaker
Yeah, and I don't think I've seen at least any of his other films. you know I mean, I've probably seen a music video or something where he's had a hand on, but um you know definitely the first film of his. um And how familiar are you with the world of battle rap? I know that you're ah you're a musician yourself. so I'm sure you've gotten yourself into one or two rap battles in your time. No, my foot's not really in that door, Steven.
00:18:31
Speaker
Okay. All right. Well, you know ah that that's just ignorance on my part it's Not bend any any battle rap. and Okay, that's fair. That's totally fair ah But but you're not closing the door on it like it's something you're open to down the road somebody steps up on me I might have to like Say something but spit some bars Yeah, but you know A good samurai keeps his sword sheets most of the time, so. That's true. Yeah, that's what they say. Respect. You have respect. a Respect. Respect.
00:19:16
Speaker
You guys, what is this movie? what yeah You tell us, man. This is this is your offering. that That's what's great about Joseph Kahn movies. You may never figure that out. You may never answer the question, what is this movie? He plays pretty fast and loose with genre a lot of the time. One ah letterbox review that I read that I really enjoyed says that it it it juxtaposes progressive ideals with transgressive art, which I really liked that description, um because it holds these two things in tension. And it's a lot more interested in asking the questions than it is with posing the answers, which makes it a really good discussion.
00:20:02
Speaker
quite frankly I was actually thinking about that before we started recording how um there's no like nothing is resolved in this film not not just story wise but like anything that they bring up and shine light on and show this side and that side that it never It's all just kind of there. It's not really interested in in providing the answers. It's more interested in getting you to have the conversation. um Like, yes, these kids are pretentious as hell, but do they have a point? um Yes, there you know there is something transgressive about this art, but is art not in and of itself a form of expression? And doesn't that deserve to be heard? Isn't that protected by our rights and freedoms and under the First Amendment?
00:20:52
Speaker
for now anyway, knock on wood. right um
00:20:58
Speaker
But um but the again, those are some of the questions that these this this film posits. And again, it it lets you kind of hate everybody, really. Everybody.
00:21:11
Speaker
like no one comes off squeaky clean in this at all. No, not at all. I mean, there's there's racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, like it's all out there as part of the transgressive art and it's all called out. But you you're still like the the movie lets you kind of sit in that tension for the runtime. And I think that's part of the genius of it is how well it's able to balance both sides of the equation and kind of let you embrace the tension of it. Yeah, and I think in that way. um It's strange that a lot of the rap battle sequences are kind of a mixture between like a sports film, like I said, specifically like a boxing film, right? And something that's
00:22:06
Speaker
I don't even know how to describe it. Try. No, I'm working on it. I have to edit this part out. Let me let me type in here. You can hear the wheels turning like right. I don't know if the I don't know if the audience at home can catch this, but man, those those those gears are grinding right now. Yes, they're smoking, dude. Straight up smoking. I thought you just had your vape out. No, I haven't touched my vape. That's the thing.
00:22:36
Speaker
No, I lost my train of thought. No, I was saying that. What was I saying? Oh, I have to pee. You guys and do. i I wrote. I'm sorry. I wrote the time down. Do you have the diabetes? Because I have to pee a lot and I'm I am diabetic. It's just that whenever I drink a beer, I have to pee like seven times. You know, you should just you should just wear a a piss bag.
00:23:03
Speaker
While you're recording. I'm not going to do that, dude. That's not that's not what I'm going to do. A handy bottle. I got to go. Thing he would announce when he was doing it on the podcast if he actually would be like, I'm straight up peeing right now. He wouldn't want to bother you guys because his hand sanitizer right here. What's up? I have to pee. Go pee.
00:23:27
Speaker
Are we editing this out? Yeah. Okay. We'll edit this out. Unless you and I have a really riveting conversation. Okay. Well, you're going to the bathroom. I'll just, you know what? I'll go to the bathroom too. Absolutely. Might as well. Why not? Five minutes later. Let me tell you something. Yeah, dude. I think our bladders are synchronized, dude. because We lived together for so long.
00:23:54
Speaker
So long that that because I have to be often now as well. And I feel like and you didn't have to before. And that you guys, I'm just going to I'm going to throw this out there. If you're not diabetic, you guys might want to consider getting your prostates looked at. No, dude, it's no. It's just metaphysical. I'm talking about. OK. All right. What do I know? Fuck me, right? OK. We are connected more than you could ever imagine, dude.
00:24:23
Speaker
And it's specifically linked to our bladders. In a straight up spiritual way that starts in our bladders. Yeah, dude, in a metaphysical way. Yeah, dude. Do yeah. Y'all weird. So you don't you don't understand what friendship is. Apparently not. Apparently, I don't understand friendship because I'm not in a regular pi schedule with someone. Yeah.
00:24:55
Speaker
Oh, we fully Yeah, bro. We fully, fully synced. Just isolate that one line of mine and put it at the tag at the end of the podcast. Oh, maybe. Straight up, maybe. I would like to apologize for the brain fart and for for causing this break that we've taken, though we all I think we're all a bit more refreshed now. Mm-hmm. Splash some water on the face. Yeah, dude.
00:25:25
Speaker
Smack yourself a few times. I'm soaking wet. Yeah, I know. Oh, sweating cycles are synced to Jimmy. Yeah, bro. Whenever I'm just randomly breaking out in sweats, I know who to blame. It's me. It's because I'm on the podcast. I get so hot for some reason.
00:25:49
Speaker
I do have that effect on people. I'm sorry. That's what it is. steve What's your what's your temp set up, though? It's I'm sitting at like 72.
00:26:01
Speaker
That's which is pretty comfortable, but like that is the same dude. I start talking and getting like my adrenaline going and stuff. I start sweating. I have no way of controlling the temperature in my apartment, so it's probably in the mid to low 60s right now.
00:26:18
Speaker
Nice word. Because it barely keeps the cold out. Sometimes it'll get down to the 20s in this apartment. Nice. I live in a great place. To cuddle up.
00:26:34
Speaker
Way to blanket. yeah I don't know the weighted blanket. Oh, that's too bad. Christmas idea idea for Steven's Christmas present next year. Weighted blanket. Thank you. My ex had a wife. If you're into that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. I'm not probably not going to be living in this place come Christmas next year. So good. Good. At least I hope not. If I am, something's gone horribly wrong. Straight up good. So what were you saying about this movie, Tucker?
00:27:10
Speaker
Well, i was I wanted to apologize for the brain fart and for my small bladder. um But in general, I was just saying that ah something I really admire about Joseph Kahn is that he's so good at balancing tones and genres and even visual trans transitions between tones and genres that I feel like he's kind of, it's not,
00:27:42
Speaker
As time goes by, more people do a thing, right? And I feel like he's kind of on the forefront of that. Like people have been experimenting with blending genres and tones four years stephen for years, years. I'm just saying- I'm just trying to figure out what you're doing and where you're going. I'm saying Joseph Kahn is- I'm curious you're still crying, Dan. Yeah, they are, to a halt.
00:28:11
Speaker
he's no he's leading the pack. I think he's kind of a new generation of filmmaker that has because of the films that he's grown up with and the films that he loves. He's able to channel that and balance that balance lots of different genres and lots of different tones better than historically we have seen. there's something I mean, there is something to be said for that. I think the way that I've always kind of thought about it is telling a story is ah is a requires a certain skill set.
00:28:44
Speaker
But to be able to combine elements in such a way that is still cohesive and still works is another skill set that goes along with that. And not everybody can do, like comedy, not everybody can do it. It takes someone who understands rhythms and timing and things like that. And I think merging genres to the extent that he does, to the extent that we're something like detention, which is completely indescribable as a film. Like you cannot pin a genre on that movie. Like it is, yes it is a horror film and yes it is a science fiction film and yes it is a teen drama and yes it is so many other fucking things that the way that he's able to balance all of those requires such a deft hand and such a level of skill that a lot of filmmakers just do not have. And yes, it's in service of a very silly movie
00:29:39
Speaker
But the way that he's able to make that work is nothing short of astounding. And I think Bodied is another great example of his ability to kind of balance those different tones and genres. And I think in a way that detention doesn't, make sure that you're make it so that you're actually saying something.
00:30:00
Speaker
Like this, this movie has a point to make and a thing to say, and detention, I don't think does to the same extent, and Torque certainly doesn't. So like, I feel like this is kind of the next evolution of Joseph Kahn, as it were. Yeah, I agree. And that's why I'm excited for his future. I can't wait to see Ick because every movie he does, I think he just improves so much in the time between films. Do you know what Ick's about? yeah I have no idea. I want to go in blind. Okay, so you don't want me to read the synopsis here to you? I'd rather you not, but if you think that the people in the audience would like to hear it, I'll go right ahead. Make a judgment call. Take your headphones off. You will. That's true.
00:30:46
Speaker
you right All right, so I'm going to I'm going to start now skip ahead like 10 seconds if you don't want to hear this ah science teacher. Hank's life changes when he reconnects with his first love and suspects a new teacher a new student is his daughter all while facing an alien threat in their town. OK, yeah, I'm not going to remember any of that. that Again, it it feels like that kind of weird balance of things that he does very well.
00:31:15
Speaker
Um, and I think it's, I don't know. It feels like, uh, feels like it could be fun. Who knows? It feels like there's some detention mixed in there. Like detention and like a little bit of detention and a little bit of attack the block, maybe. I don't know. But again, haven't seen it. Can't tell you.
00:31:34
Speaker
Yeah, dude, I'm, you know, three for three so far for me, like dude hasn't missed yet. Right. So I'm in silly does I'm always optimistic.
00:31:45
Speaker
And Tucker, you and I can do our Joseph Kahn ratings. and I mean, do you want to do them now or do you want to wait until the end of the episode?
00:31:53
Speaker
Oh, I mean, we could we could do it now. We could do it now. OK, so Tucker, how would you rank the three Joseph Kahn films that you've seen up to this point in chronological order? They are Torque, Detention and Bodied.
00:32:09
Speaker
Yes. ah So mine is going to go from three to one, which is torque, body, detention. but I think being the best. Right. Our lists are very similar. I'm going to I'm going to go three to one as well. It's going to be torque, detention, bodied. I think his films have progressively gotten better.
00:32:29
Speaker
I agree. No, I think that Bodied is a better film than Detention, yeah but Detention just... it It holds the place in your heart and that's fine. It speaks directly to me, Steven. It does. It does. Directly to me. Look, there's... I've seen my my number three film of this year was number two of the last year, I guess, was my number ah was my number two film until I saw The Brutalist tonight.
00:32:54
Speaker
um is is my number two, three film because it is 100 percent my shit and no one else's. And that is the movie Conclave, because like a bunch of like Cardinals like plotting secret plans and dark corridors and like shady hallways is 100 percent my shit. Like I dude you love that shit. I love that so much. And so, yeah, I'm like this is a perfect movie. What the fuck are we talking about here? Like no debate.
00:33:22
Speaker
But I would say the substance and the brutalist, both more powerful films than Conclave, but Conclave is still a perfect film. And I will buy that shit on 4K when it comes out on 4K. You better. I'd be mad if you didn't, Steven. Shit, son. I'm not trying to get mad. Don't make me mad, Steven. I wouldn't like you when you get angry. I don't know. mate Actually, I'm usually funnier if I'm upset about something. If I'm mad, like, I got better jokes.
00:33:51
Speaker
He's sassy. It's fun. I'm a sassy grump. It's true. So when you guys were rooming together, Evan, would you like just intentionally piss him off just so you could giggle? No, it was just always unintentional, but... What's the funniest Tucker getting angry story that you have?
00:34:14
Speaker
that you're that you're able to tell on the podcast. It's just more of like a mood. I just like remember the vibe of him just like he would get like, oh, like, for example, we would like disagree about thermostat because this guy wants to run around in barefoot and shorts and a sleeveless shirt in the winter because he's like, oh, if it's Tucson, it should be nice. And I mean, in fairness, what's the coldest it gets in Tucson?
00:34:43
Speaker
Uh, about 45 31. Wow. The other day, but with like a 65, you finally got below freezing as a low. Yeah. Our high today was 26.
00:34:57
Speaker
it's a 30 point swing though, which is very disarming. it Yeah, it sucks. It's it sucks because like in regular winter, like you get used to the cold, but like in Tucson, like it'll be 65 70 degrees during the day and then it'll be in the 30s to the 40s at night and it's it's too much of a shot like ah I would be wearing so much, so much coats and pants, mini pants, so much coats and so many pants. Yes. But we would argue about the thermostat because I like my place a little cooler and he would like to set us at like 72, 73 and it would dry the dickens out of my skin and my my nose.
00:35:41
Speaker
So I understand that absolutely yeah and I didn't have a humidifier at that point so yeah I was gonna say you gotta have a humidifier if you're gonna be living with that you gotta to have a humidifier. I got to learn your lesson that's. yeah now
00:36:00
Speaker
But he's he's sassy boy. I mean, he's his sass like he his sass like stats are like usually pretty high. like I mean, girl, you ain't got to tell me. But but. ah Fond memories, dude. Indeed. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. Good times. LOLs. Yeah. Yeah. So who do you think would win between the two of you in a rap battle?
00:36:29
Speaker
Oh, him for sure. Sorry, I got it. I know for like, uh, it might be more engaging for the audience if we like are like, nah, me na hit not hit. No, it's a hundred percent. I mean, tougher seems less sure in his own ability than you do, but as he's just a self-aware boy, dude. I think that I could maybe do something rad, like in the right moment, but I don't. I've never done a battle rap. I did freestyle once. On a song. Way back in the Ninja Pirate days.
00:37:14
Speaker
ah Yeah, it went really well, actually. And like I say, it was just one of those time and place things. And and I just happened to think of the right things at the right time. And it came out really well. And then dude's laptop like shit itself a week later and we lost that recording forever. So what you're saying is you don't feel comfortable spitting a few bars for us tonight.
00:37:39
Speaker
No, no.
00:37:44
Speaker
It's not on the table. No, no. I think Stephen could beat me in a rap battle, though. I mean, I did do I look I did improv for many, many years. I am out of practice. I'm out of practice and be I the the one type of improv I sucked at was the making up song lyrics off the top of your head style of improv.
00:38:09
Speaker
Because you got to you got to think of rhymes on a fairly consistent basis. And that is I mean, I might I might be a poet sometime, but you could hardly say that I am aware of the fact that I could be. Well, Stephen, I'll tell you what, you just get a slow enough beat. And you have to time it have to be pretty slow, like five beats per minute. I'm pretty quick on my feet. But if I have to rhyme quickly, then I know I'm out.
00:38:38
Speaker
Tapping out on that. I guess none of us are battle rappers then. I mean. Darn. We are all. I never claimed to be. We are all just disturbingly pale. That is a big part of it. Yeah. Well. Kind of like the lead of this movie, Callum Worthy. Hey, look at that. He's got a he's got a very DJ Qualls kind of vibe about him, doesn't he? Very much so. He could be his nephew or something.
00:39:05
Speaker
Legitimately, we were watching this, my partner and I, she started watching it with me and then like, very quickly it was just like, nah. She probably tapped out, yeah. She tapped out. I can see her tap it out for sure. That's probably good, that's probably good. I paused the movie. It just gets worse. I paused the movie to go make myself a drink and she walks into the kitchen and she's like, I am going to bed. And I was like, you're not gonna watch it? And she's like, no, I hate this. And I was like, all right, that's fair. Fair. That's totally fair, this is not your kind of thing.
00:39:33
Speaker
Um, but she, we're watching this movie and she goes, Oh, he did kill Dick Gypsy Rose's mother. And I was like, what the fuck? And she was like, from that show he's the boyfriend on the act. Yeah. With, uh, Joey King and Patricia Arquette. So yeah, apparently he killed true Patricia Arquette.
00:39:52
Speaker
So that was that was how we knew him. She's OK, though. I saw her in Severance this last week. That's true. She does do on the severance. He's also been on a couple of episodes, a couple of few episodes of Solar Opposites, an animated show that I quite enjoy. You like that show. Yeah, that it's a fun show. I would recommend it. And apparently he was on a show shortly after this movie came out. He was on a show called American Vandal that set Netflix ablaze. After it quietly released it. Yeah.
00:40:23
Speaker
OK, it was one of those shows where it was like it everyone thought it was an actual documentary and then it turns out it was not an actual documentary. ah But he apparently has a has a a role in that film or in that series as well, so.
00:40:40
Speaker
I like him in this. he um he kind of He makes some choices that I think that are are really out there, but it wouldn't work if they had gotten an actor in there that that was maybe a little more timid about making those kind of choices. I don't think the character would have worked as well.
00:40:59
Speaker
Agree? No, there's there's an element of bravery to this performance that and it comes with him just leaning all the way into it. And I think that's why it works is because he does commit himself to the role. Where a lesser actor might be like, this is too much, I should probably back off of this a little he does not he just completely leads into it. And there again, bravery is the word.
00:41:23
Speaker
Well, I think a lesser actor would have made it too silly, you know, because a lot of what he does and a lot of what he says is absurd, but he sells it. And you don't it doesn't come off as absurdity. Like it's almost intimidating, like threatening, you know, it's the commitment. Yeah, he commits fully to the the shit that he's spewing. And it some of it is very shitty.
00:41:47
Speaker
a lot of it. Yes. Yeah. And again, that's what we mean by transgressive art. This is this is not a you know, not your not your mom's probably probably not the thing you'd want to take your mom to on ah on a Saturday night. No, no. Not at all. But ah I mean, it's
00:42:10
Speaker
I really enjoy the energy of this movie. like it's I was talking to Jimmy before the record here, and he said that there were a couple commercial breaks on Prime when he watched this movie. I got one, yeah. oh how could you i can't I just can't imagine watching any Joseph Codd movie with a commercial break.
00:42:34
Speaker
It was like they have that momentum. Well, that's the thing there. It's it's it's hills and valleys, right? Every every good film plot has a hill and valley. It was on a downslope moment. So it didn't feel like it wrecked the momentum for me. Agree. Yeah. Well, I think it's a testament to how engaging this film was to where I wasn't even fazed by that commercial break. I was like,
00:43:00
Speaker
I don't give a shit. I'll sit here for 30 seconds, 60, you know, I'll sit here for multiple seconds. I want to prime him some shitty show I'm never going to watch. No, but it's like, you know, I've seen like, you know, and you guys can probably like remember times where like a commercial break cuts into a film and you're just like,
00:43:19
Speaker
You kind of lose that momentum and you're just like, ah, like, um what else do I have to do? Like, I got to do the dishes or, you know, check my phone, whatever you get. And you get lost. Oh, to be terrible. And you get lost. This movie, I mean, super engaging. I mean, again, I watched with limited commercials. I can imagine if I'm watching it on to be your freebie or one of those things to where there's a commercial break every 10 minutes, it can get a little ah disengaging. But I mean, I was plugged in the whole time. you And i was I was really surprised by that.
00:43:57
Speaker
Yeah, and i I mean, I kind of went in and when they started, you know, weighing the the progressive versus the transgress, I'm just kind of like, is this ah is this going to work for me? Like I was debating and then it. Yeah, where are we going with this? I'm not sure when it happened, but there was a moment where everything just kind of clicked and I went, OK, I'm fully on board with this. This is actually a lot of fun. And I want to see how far this goes. And I think that's kind of the point, like you you you're along for the ride with this guy. Like it's this. I it it in some ways, it kind of fits the white savior motif because, a you know, a white kid comes in and shows he's better than rapping at all the p then all the POC like like, OK, sure. um And they do quote Eminem with a ah ah very high degree of reverence, or at least the white people in this movie do. yeah
00:44:52
Speaker
The rapper named white racist while the while the while our main character is defending Eminem, the the character literally named white racist comes up behind him and starts to agreeing with him. He's like, just go away. Just stop. This is one of those films, though, I feel like it like exists within its own bubble in the sense of where like. You're not.
00:45:16
Speaker
supposed to necessarily take a side in the end you know what I'm saying like like even when it's like uh you know you've got this like white savior complex like argument that we're talking about too which i agree with you even there it's like the film is like such a parody in a way and like self-aware and like you know, like the actors obviously take themselves very seriously in their roles, but the movie itself with the way it's edited and like presented to the audience like has a degree of like not taking itself too seriously while at the same time presenting some like very profound like themes. um so And so, I mean, again, it's like,
00:46:06
Speaker
I think great art sparks good conversation. And, you know, if if this movie was too preachy about one way or the other, you know, I mean, we, you know, wipe our hands clean and be like, yeah, that's the statement. It's very obvious we're done here. But instead, it's this specific thing. And there's multiple other things that could spark conversation within this film that are pretty important. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And he wants us to live in that tension, I think.
00:46:36
Speaker
Totally, and I think if you're trying to like make a really profound like lasting statement, I think asking a question instead of stating an answer, I think somebody said that earlier, is like a much more wit better way to you know get your point across than beating somebody over the head with your point. you know Exactly. And ah you hope you hope, as the artist, people come to the conclusion that is the correct one, or they're on their way to that, but you know you you can't control At a certain point, as the our artist or creator or team, you can't control how people perceive art at a certain point. So at some point, it stops being yours and becomes the audience's. Correct. Sorry. I will love artists have said. Right. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Sorry, American History X. No, you guys that are going to sound good.
00:47:31
Speaker
Some people just didn't see it that way. Well, even like Team America, which seems like pretty pretty obviously anti-war, it like ends up on lists of like conservative pro-war movies. Yeah. And it's like, are we watching the same film here? ah Yeah. Well, and I think that's I mean, Matt and Trey are they're the kind of filmmakers that will do that kind of shit where you're just like, where do they land on these issues? Because they make fun of fucking everything and everybody. Correct. Correct. And the whole the art itself is transgressive.
00:48:02
Speaker
There's layers of transgressive. ah it now that The content itself is transgressive and the piece itself is transgressive. like And ah yeah, once again is like the ambiguity, I think add it lends itself to the the piece for like, I think Team of America is a good example, too. so But unfortunately, some people get the wrong impression. But, you know, there's some people can't be helped, dude.
00:48:29
Speaker
Some people think of Rick from Rick and Marty's a guy to look up to. So, you know, what are you going to do? And but and that's just it. Like at some point misinterpretation is going to happen. and and And particularly in our increasingly media illiterate world where, you know, it took fans of the boys four seasons to realize that the show was making fun of them. Right. Like.
00:48:53
Speaker
fucking come on, dude. Like, have we been watching the same show? Oh, man. But that's, I think, part of the subjective nature of it. Like, I think in this movie, it's got I think everybody's right, everybody's wrong on some level. like These people have a point, but are they going too far with it? And I think that on both sides of this argument, both on the progressive and transgressive elements of this film, like there there has to exist a happy balance within the middle. like The scene that I love is after the first rap that he does, the audition rap with ah Prospect.
00:49:30
Speaker
Um, he comes and they're talking to Tim because I'm just glad you don't think I'm a racist piece of shit. The guy says to him in Korean, you are a racist piece of shit. And he's like, thanks, man. Like, like, and that's just it. Like, everyone kind of thinks this kid's racist, even though he's claiming not to be, but in the end.
00:49:48
Speaker
He kind of is. Like he's still playing into all these stereotypes, but it's okay because everyone's doing it. And the extent to which he buys into all of this kind of becomes clear and those in that last major poignant scene where he's rapping against Ben and goes way too far below the belt. And I mean, they were just...
00:50:13
Speaker
Like they were kind of just there to have fun. You know, like they were getting five thousand dollars anyway. Right. And he just wow. He and he and that just it doesn't feel like it was provoked by anything either. He just does it and he does it to win because for him winning is more important than whatever else.
00:50:37
Speaker
And then after he realizes that his friend is not OK with the shit that he just pulled, then he's just like, fuck everything. I'm going to go, you know, like I'm going to go up against Megaton. Yeah. Well, he does call his ex-girlfriend and try to propose to her.
00:50:57
Speaker
And I think that's the thing that fucking, that's that is so funny. it i Honestly, I thought the whole movie that she was gonna end up with his dad, anthony played by Anthony Michael. I just thought they were gonna do a split screen and she's in bed with his dad. like That's what I legitimately thought i was gonna happen. I was right there with you on that.
00:51:16
Speaker
And because the whole the whole movie, like all the co-eds, all his classmates are flirting with his with his dad. Like you half expect when his girlfriend dumps him, she's just going to go sleep with his dad. Like it would make sense. Yeah. Would make a lot. ah it's It's fantastic writing. You know, that's just it's fantastic. You know, ah yeah, i I I like how, you know, we're we're kind of at least like I can't speak for any other like cultures or whatever, but at least in Western culture and like America, the way we like consume film and stories is you know the you know the person we start out with you know tends to be the guy that we're all supposed to like empathize with and kind of put ourselves into. And these sorts of anti-hero, post-modern films kind of
00:52:16
Speaker
you know, sleight of hand that, ah you know, throughout the film, and this was a perfect example to where, you know, you're, you think we're having fun, you know, we're all on the side of this, you know, protagonist and we're, we're following his journey. And, you know, you're supposed to, you know, a lot of like, old films are, it's kind of a canned thing to where you're just kind of like, yeah, and, you know, and he's a good guy, like,
00:52:43
Speaker
you know and And what they're doing is righteous. And and you know like you should empathize with them more than any other character, because we've been been with them the entire time. in This movie, throughout the entire film, just kind of continues to stomp on that idea. And it's like, you know you think you think he's empathizable. You think that you know maybe he's going to have a redeeming arc. That's what happens in movies, right? like right And throughout the time, it's it's subverting expectations in the most engaging, fantastic way, I thought. i I haven't seen any of his other films, but I was very impressed. i I mean, there are so many different ways to subvert the protagonist is good guy but trope, for lack of a better word, like you could do the unreliable narrator and sometimes your protagonist is just a piece of shit and it takes you right to realize it. Right.
00:53:38
Speaker
my my My partner read a book called Liar. um And she she read it, and I think one one of her roommates at the time read it. This was years ago. And when she finished the book, her roommate was like, oh, I can't believe that blah, blah, blah. And she's like, he was lying. The the book is called Liar. He was lying the whole time. He was an unreliable narrator. And her roommate was just like, no, they wouldn't do that. No.
00:54:04
Speaker
And it just again, media literacy is dead. um And and you know my partner loves domestic thrillers, and those are all about the twist ending and the person that you think was, and and a lot of times it comes down to the the main character, and there's a secret the main character is harboring that you don't find out till the very end.
00:54:21
Speaker
Totally. um And that that shit happens all the time and can turn your entire opinion of a character on its head. And you're with this guy right up until he shits the bed and fucks over his friend. And you know keith you want him to stop and he just keeps going. and You're like, you've gone too far. And he's like, fuck you, hold my beer. I haven't gone too far yet. I haven't gone too far enough.
00:54:45
Speaker
And it it's it's so hard to watch because you can see him killing his friendship right in front of you. And he has the audacity after it's all over to just be like, but we're good, though, right? And you're just like, fuck, you can't come back from that, man. Like you've destroyed this thing that was beautiful. Even after they build the expectation with, yeah, with the wrapping together and Yeah, they did really well together. They did. Mm hmm. That's too bad well the run that your boy Adam is such a dick like because they could have done some really cool stuff. Yeah, I'd watch that sequel. I know we're not main feed, so it doesn't have to fit the format. But if there were a sequel of this, we retcon that ending. And ah and they just become battle rapper doubles. Do they do doubles? Is it like tennis?
00:55:41
Speaker
I mean, apparently they do because that's what they did with Blunt and 40 mag there in that last. Yeah, but that's the only time I saw that. And we went to like three or four rap battles separate like events. I mean, it feels like it was it's not a thing they do regularly, but there's like a plan in place, like a contingency for it, not unlike Air Bud, where it's like, what if a dog wants to play basketball? And I get there like, well, I guess there's no rule against it. It's kind of one of those things like if if it comes to this, we can do the double rap battle.
00:56:09
Speaker
OK, like we can do the mixed doubles if we need to do. Yeah, that's that would be bodied to and the two would be because it's both of them wrapping together against two other people. Right. But but you see, and here's the thing, if if they do body to, I want it to see it go in a direction more like.
00:56:30
Speaker
a fast and furious thing where they have to get the band back together to do the highest kind of thing. And they end up in space. Fuck yes. The guys from this movie. Yes. It's Ben Grimm and Adam.
00:56:41
Speaker
and and Prospect and Divine Right and yes, everybody. All of our friends from the first film coming back for the second one. They got us to save the world, dude. Absolutely. The world is in danger and only these battle rappers can save the day.
00:57:00
Speaker
Now, I would say that you could do that as a crossover with detention, a sequel to both of those films. But the actor who played Prospect played the smart kid who turned the bear into the time machine and attention. Well, and here's the thing. Maybe he plays a dual role and maybe they don't call any attention to it at all. Oh. And it's just the same actor playing two different roles and no one talks about it. And it's just an ever and like the audience is thinking the whole time, like, why don't they call attention to this? And they never do.
00:57:32
Speaker
Doppelganger. Doppelganger. Yeah, I'm into that. That's the sequel. I like this plan. We did it. We did it. We fixed bodied everybody by giving it a sequel that it doesn't need. That is also a sequel to detention. We're like Hollywood executives up in this bitch. That's a challenge, though. That's if anybody could do that, it's Joseph Kahn. So Joseph Kahn, if you ever hear this,
00:58:01
Speaker
Do a combined sequel to Bodied and Detention. You can do it. Also, Joseph Khan, come on the podcast. You can do it. You can figure it out. Like, it's going to be hard. You can do it. Like, come on the podcast and be our guest. We would love to talk to you about whatever failed franchise starter. Fuck, it doesn't even need to be a failed franchise starter. Just whatever movie you want to talk about, we'll talk about on the podcast. That's my promise to Joseph Khan and Joseph Connell.
00:58:29
Speaker
It's the Joseph Cudd special. That's it. Just hit us up at disenfranchpod at gmail dot.com. You will make Tucker's entire life. That's true. Probably. No, probably, dude. We all know that's true. a Man, you're you're you're you're new. Your new favorite guy reaches out. Now you'd be freaking out in the chat. I'm I'm I'm his hype man right now. You're his his 40 mag.
00:58:58
Speaker
40 mags? Exactly. I don't remember if it's plural or not. I know blunts is plural, but it's with a Z. Lots of comic book references in here for you, Steven. Yes. Did you enjoy all of those? Very much. Did I enjoy all of them? Have a good time with those. Yeah, I used one in my introduction of Evan. It's true. Yeah, you did. The Rock Monster from the Fantastic Four gave information to say the N word.
00:59:23
Speaker
Which might be my favorite line from the movie, honestly, and Deborah Fucking Wilson. What a champ. I love her. She's the best. Yeah. Yeah, dude. She's great. But in this movie, Gordo for detention shows up, too. They do. And but I mean, you also get a lot of people who are um who are in the battle come from the battle rap scene. So, yeah, every person that like comes up to him and tells him he did a good job and they don't they're not good actors. Those are all real battle rappers. All the guys that are coming up, hey, hey, man, good job of respect. All those guys, those are real battle rappers.
01:00:05
Speaker
um respect blunts is played by uh loaded luxe who's apparently regarded as like one of the the the main battle rap guys like the god of battle rapping kind of yeah yeah um hollow dadon who plays 40 mag mag is not plural by the way um like disaster charlotte main the god like and then And then you've got fucking Andy Milanakis in this movie. Fuck yes. Yes, I texted Tucker the moment I saw him. What is his name? Freddy Ruble? Freddy Hustle. Yeah. Freddy Hustle. Is Freddy Rubles? Yeah, I don't know, dude.
01:00:50
Speaker
I mean, that would also be a funny name. ah But no, he shows up and he's got like the the leisure, not the leadership, but like the 70s style shit on. And I'm just like, oh, fuck, Andy Melanakis. It's so funny. So good. Such a perfect role for him, too. Like, absolutely incredible. Yeah. Like, yeah, I think this thing is is so incredibly well cast stacked. Yeah, absolutely. Like they're able to get like so many people who know What they're doing and it again, I think it lends the film and air of authenticity to where you're You're watching and you're you're having a good time because you're right there along with it and it there's there's something real about it It feels real even like the bad battle wrappers in the Andy Milanakis
01:01:39
Speaker
like battle battle battle. Yeah. Like all those guys, I think with the exception of groom, I think our actual battle rappers like the comedian, I'm pretty sure is that's not his a guy who couldn't remember guy who could remember the choke artist joke artist. Yeah. Yeah. God, what a fun. What a fun movie this is, honestly.
01:02:06
Speaker
Like, yeah, we we had a good time. We had a good time with this movie. Yeah, I think it's um it's really good. It's what I think. I think it's really good, you guys. And it's. um
01:02:23
Speaker
I don't know, I said it a lot during this episode, but gosh, I just love Joseph Khan, you guys. You do. Everything that he's done. Like, I'm completely engaged and pulled into. And this is just another great example.
01:02:41
Speaker
Yeah, he has a way of, um you know, like we said, balancing these various genres and these various ideas ah in a very interesting way. And I think the fact that this movie actually has a point to make is I think what edges it out over um detention for me, because I think both are probably in terms of filmmaking on a similar level. Again, I think there's a little more he's learned a little more in the seven years between the two movies, but like he's he's doing good work here. And I think that is that needs to be recognized for sure. I also think that um this film out of his the three that we've seen of his right is probably leans on his talent as a music video director more than the other two.
01:03:34
Speaker
Yeah, because a lot of this what I was saying before I think when I lost my mind was that ah the battle wraps are shot like a boxing fight and a music video at the same time.
01:03:50
Speaker
And then sometimes you get like wacky little animations. There's one rap battle where it just montages between the different battles and each one has different background music and one is Yaketty Sax. But somehow that's not annoying. Like I keep trying to make that annoy me. I'm like, how is this music switching from this music to this music every couple seconds? And I'm not annoyed at this right now. How's that possible?
01:04:21
Speaker
It just doesn't make sense. like it On paper, I'd be like, this is fucking horrible. right But that montage, every time I watched, I'm like, how do I not hate this? This is fantastic. Yeah, it is it it's it's good. And again, against all odds, like on paper, a lot of this probably shouldn't work, and yet it does really well.
01:04:44
Speaker
guy and a right guy Again, and I think that's it like both in both in right in terms of writing because it's smart writing the script is very smart. ah But it's also very well directed and you can I mean the two of them ah both the the writer, um the screenwriter Alex Larson and Joseph Kahn came up with the story together.
01:05:06
Speaker
Um, and so that from that, I'm sure they were, a they had a synergy, I'm sure between them, which helps a lot. Like usually you don't see that kind of synergy unless it's a writer director, like one guy doing both. Um, and in this case, it kind of is, but also kind of isn't. So I feel like they're sharing those responsibilities and it it works very well for the film.
01:05:29
Speaker
Do we know Alex Larson from anything? um He performs. he's a He is actually a rap a battle rapper himself called Kid Twist from Toronto. Okay. so and he He said that the film is loosely autobiographical.
01:05:50
Speaker
So the two of them kind of in which I think is a big part of why this thing feels so authentic that and they cast the actual battle rappers. But no, he is an actual battle rapper who came up, you know, came together. He he battled in the world rap championships in twenty two thousand and seven. He was the first king of the dot champion. So, you know, he's yeah he's he's got it. He's got a novel out working on his second one. So, yeah, there you go.
01:06:22
Speaker
kid twist alex larson i i would i would watch another film written by him maybe and he's like a few months younger than my kid sister so there you go there you go if he ever writes anything again i think that i'd probably seek it out and Let me see if I don't I don't know that he matters. You worked on a TV show. He did called Yasuki, four episodes of that. ah He's a staff writer on something called Drop the Mic. And they also did a few episodes of Captain Laser Hawk. I don't know what the fuck that is. Me neither. He also has a cameo in this movie as Man in Restroom. Nice. Oh, he's the guy.
01:07:10
Speaker
in the restroom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. with The guy in the and then he turns around and walks by. I think he waves like he waves. Sure. That's him. Let's go with that. Yeah. Like the ponytail and that guy that's real nice stands out. They frame him in a in a very odd manner in that scene, almost like he's supposed to mean more than he does.
01:07:35
Speaker
Well, and because he's the writer. That's that's why he's the guy. He's the guy. He's he's not the guy, but he's also the guy. His default guy, I'd say, you know, it's the guy. Yes, absolutely. You know, he's the guy. Oh, wow. Wow. Christopher Walken also back on Severance. You guys.
01:08:02
Speaker
I like Christopher Walken. He's a fine actor. Steven, that wasn't an invitation. Oh, OK. Fuck me, I guess.
01:08:14
Speaker
As much as we appreciate your Christopher Walken. I mean, I pulled out Pacino. I'm I'm I'm laying on Lance. I'm walking on you. Just, you know, just I just am underappreciated in my own time. He's walking here.
01:08:33
Speaker
Hey, I'm walkin' here.
01:08:38
Speaker
No. No. No, boy, I can't do it. What else do we have to say about bodied, gentlemen? I don't know everything, like how rad it is. Did we talk about that? did We talk about we've been talking about that the whole fucking time, dude. Did we talk about how there's a joke that references the time traveling mother daughter arc from detention? No. In this movie, did we talk about that? I think you were the only one that caught that. Well, you know how the one dude sleeps with the other dude's girlfriend? Right.
01:09:12
Speaker
Well, before he does that, before he goes in that room, he tells them that he's going to make love with her in such a fashion, I'm paraphrasing here, make love with her in such a fashion that that his- Her teenage daughter will get pregnant. But there's something about time travel too. I don't remember, but it is referenced. And I noticed it a couple of times ago.
01:09:40
Speaker
And it's there. And also, like I said, Gordo is there. You should add that to the IMDB trivia for this movie. It might. It might be in there. I don't know. But yeah, there's a couple a couple of references with, you know, some of the actors and that specific thing.
01:10:03
Speaker
It's nice. I wonder if there are any like references to torque, but I've only seen that once like detention. I've seen like you have to watch it multiple times or you're not getting the full experience. I'm like, if you're not watching it, if you're not watching it three times in a row in one day, never do. Are you really watching detention? i You're not really missing so much. detention You're missing so much, Steven. I know use for our episode on detention, you said you watched it like 10 times or something ridiculous like that. In that week, yeah, like not in a row. I mean, you could watch something 10 times in a week. That's not a lot of your time. I mean, there are so many other things you could be doing with your time than watching the same thing 10 times, but sure. It's just really good. I don't know what to tell you.
01:10:55
Speaker
I mean, I'm not denying that. It's a good film, but yeah, I'm not. Is it the greatest thing ever made? I don't know about that. No, bodied or detention? Detention. I think, you know, actually when I was watching it this time, I have my detention posters like right over my display. So like I'd be watching it. I'll be like, this is really rad. And then I'd look up my detention poster and be like, yeah. I could be watching that right now instead.
01:11:25
Speaker
Not at all. Not at all. Hey, you guys, this report yeah this came out on YouTube Red. It is a YouTube original. Did you know that I subscribe to YouTube Red? Like, that's why I'm grandfathered into the YouTube music.
01:11:44
Speaker
like how I pay like so little for it and have but fantastic and no ads like YouTube premium. What happened? Like 2017, 2016, whenever that shit was. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Well, I've been there on the ground. I would agree with you on that one. Oh, and the teacher, um the teacher from detention is one of the professors as well. The professor where his girlfriend shows the video of him in the rap battle.
01:12:15
Speaker
That guy is the teacher in detention that the main gal um is into, but he's gay. And the sprinklers and. It just shares a lot of cast. There's at least three people that are in both of those movies. In fact, like one of the main characters, like I said before, when we were doing our crossover sequel. One of the main characters is the same actor. And now has he was he in Torque also?
01:12:45
Speaker
I don't know, but you know, I was going to say, is is there anyone that spans all three of his films up to this point? I don't. You know, if it were anybody, it would probably be Johnny Park. Well, I'm looking right now. I'm going to check. I wish Ice Cube had stuck around. No, he's not. He is. He's only done ah two things before. um ah Before our detention, one was a
01:13:15
Speaker
2005 I'm guessing short film called Eve's prayer and three episodes of a 2010 series called just kidding films as his dumb found dead. Wow, so he's really Well, I mean, between that and bodied, he didn't really do much either between those two films. So maybe he was just a maybe him and Joseph Kahn really worked well together. Yeah, maybe they're just friends. Maybe they just maybe he's going to be the Noah Segan to the Christopher Nolan, not Christopher Nolan. Joseph Kahn. No, Brian Johnson, because Noah Segan, but
01:14:01
Speaker
He would be his Noah Segan. No? Anybody? Ryan. Ryan Johnson. Same thing. No. Damn it. Get right the fuck out of here, dude. No. All right. Well, Brian Johnson directed a film called Vulgar.
01:14:19
Speaker
Oh yes, that's true. No, it's just a letter. It's just a letter. I know who I'm talking about, Steven. Everyone knows who I'm talking about, Steven. I just want to make sure our audience knows who you're talking about, Tucker. They know exactly who I'm talking about. I think you're giving them a lot of credit.
01:14:38
Speaker
Wowzers. I know, I'm the worst. um No, dude.
01:14:44
Speaker
Bodied came out in theaters, a wide release, I should say. It did. It had a, well, I guess not wide. It it had a limited release um after YouTube Red picked up the exclusive streaming rights. It came out in theaters on November 2nd, 2018 in the year of our Lord. It opened at number 42. Golly.
01:15:07
Speaker
to $53,000 in its opening weekend. It did ultimately end up making on a budget of, oh, I did have the budget pulled up here a second ago, bear with me. On a budget of 15 million, it made $100,116. That is what we call an underperformer.
01:15:33
Speaker
Well, I think it was just putting theaters for Oscar contention, you know? Like the money was in the streaming. Like the people that were paying for the subscriptions and all that. Like me, I paid for this movie, Steven. You did. I paid for this movie.
01:15:49
Speaker
you did you shirt boy howdy sure you did i made if if i made this happen it could have like been hinged directly on my subscription whether it got made or not here's the thing in the tipping point it opened in 14 theaters and when it went wide it went to 17 theaters so like yeah this was not this was not a wide release This was making money off ads and, like, subscriptions and shit. 100 percent. Now, this is actually a box office we've covered before because this is the opening weekend. We covered this in our very first year. Opening at number two is the Nutcracker and the Four Realms. See your previous episode. No, I don't. Brett loves it.
01:16:33
Speaker
i be I thought that movie was kind of where shit is not good. ah But opening at number one is maybe ah the superior ah musical film of 2018, definitely one that got Oscar nominations and an Oscar win paradoxically Bohemian Rhapsody. Oh, boo. Opening weekend of Bohemian Rhapsody.
01:16:56
Speaker
Boo. Boo. Number number two, as we said, Nutcracker and the four realms. I wonder how Tucker feels about Bohemian Rhapsody. Boom. Oh, OK. Interesting boo. um In ah third place, we have the Tyler Perry film Nobody's Fool. ah In fourth place, the second or I'm sorry, the fifth weekend of Bradley Cooper's A Star Is Born. Good fucking movie.
01:17:26
Speaker
Well, with the Lady Gaga's as well, isn't that right? Correct, correct. Fantastic. And in fifth place, down from number one the previous week, having been out in three weeks, it's the David Gordon Green reboot of Halloween. oh Such a promising start. Hmm. Such a promising start. Yeah, I would. I would say the the first that that entry in particular is among my favorite in that franchise. It's really strong. really Fair. of Rounding out the top 10, we've got Venom at number six, Smallfoot at number seven, Goosebumps 2, colon, Haunted Halloween at number eight, Hunter Killer at nine, and The Hate U Give, also featuring Johnny Park at number 10. Nice. Yeah.
01:18:13
Speaker
So he's got he's got two in the top 50 that week in the top 50. Right. ah Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how he's got two in the top 45. Let's let's give it let's said credit where credit's due.
01:18:27
Speaker
give him um So yeah, the the movie does not ah really make that much domestically. um it It does.
Ratings and Reviews of 'Bodied'
01:18:36
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However, the Tomatometer score on this one is an 89% critics consensus, which is with its thorny themes and aggressive humor bodied dares to offend and justifies its approach with a subversive comedy that edifies as it entertains people like it. Yeah, but not many people that the people who have seen it Like it. Exactly. that's That's not a lot of people. that' what it is It has a seventy five on Metacritic generally favorable reviews from twenty two critics. And Tucker, would you care to take a stab at the letterbox score? I'm thinking between three point two. Nope. Three point three and three point seven. It is a three point five right in the middle of nailed it.
01:19:27
Speaker
Fantastic. Three point five, right in the middle. um Evan, we'll let you go first. Out of five stars, how many are you giving to Bodied?
01:19:38
Speaker
I don't know, about three point fives. Pretty solid. That's where I'm at. Three point five is fair. That's fair. Tucker, what about you?
01:19:50
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ah This is a 4.5 for me. For me. And the the half a star that gets minus d-d-d-d is because of the weird, like, dust in the air towards the end.
01:20:10
Speaker
ah Whenever they show Adam at the bar, whether he's talking to Ben or not, there's like this weird dust in the air. Like, you know, when the sun will hit dust yeah and it kind of glows. I'm aware of what dan in the air is. I get I get distracted by that. And as much as this movie is damn near perfect, just having something like that sort of take me out of it ever so briefly.
01:20:37
Speaker
In such an important time, that gets half a star taken out. Unfortunately, outside of that. Perfect. Okay. There you go. I, I also give it 3.5 stars. That is fair. Um, I, I had a lot of fun with it. I thought it was a thought it was a good film. So there you go. Yeah.
01:20:58
Speaker
3.5.
Podcast Philosophy and Content Choices
01:20:59
Speaker
I'm glad. I'm glad because, you know, like, as I've said many times, the purpose of Straight Up is so that I can show my friends movies that I think they will like or that I think they will at least appreciate. And so, like, when when there is a positive reaction to one of these little weirdo movies that I throw your way sometimes, it makes me happy that it has brought you joy.
01:21:22
Speaker
Both of you. Yeah, I mean, i I legitimately did enjoy this one. So, yeah, it's not a film. It's like not a film I would have seeked out myself. Like, you know, like there's a sea of stuff to watch. But when it's got the table stamp of approvals, you know, I mean, and it earned it, too. So, I mean,
01:21:53
Speaker
You know, the the tubal stamp of approval is a mixed bag for me because Tucker and I do not always agree. We do not have always have the same tastes in film. But I will say that I never I would never recommend something to you or ask you to watch something.
01:22:13
Speaker
that I thought that you would not have a good time with. and I know that's happened a few times, but that's never my intention. He means well, dude. Unfortunately, I have asked you to watch so many things that you've hated um for this podcast. That's the main feed, though. that's that's the We have to please the algorithm, but straight up, I picked that shit. so like It's on my shoulders. like i want It makes me happy when I show you something that you enjoy. Yeah. Took her out here trying to game the algorithm. That's the point of straight up is to share things that, you know, people might not know about. So good for us. We did it. And if you didn't know now, you know, you're now aware. If you were previously unaware, there you go. Um,
01:23:05
Speaker
Evan, tell us a bit about what
Evan's Music Projects
01:23:08
Speaker
you've got going on. Tell us about what music projects you got. What's what's what's cooking for you these days? ah Well, I just finished recording the guitar for this collab I'm doing with a friend of mine. We're calling it Lupine Daughter at this moment for the project.
01:23:25
Speaker
um And, uh, I don't know if she, she came over and like, cool name. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Cool. We have the the stamp of approval from Steven as well, dude. Um, but, uh, yeah, she came over to, uh, my apartment and Weaver recorded like four tracks and, uh,
01:23:49
Speaker
And it was like 84 degrees in my apartment when we did it in the middle of July or August in Tucson and ah yeah. um But we bung them out and been sitting on them for a bit and just finally cracked them out. And I'm really excited to to get them out in the world. So that'll hopefully be dropping sometime in I don't know, maybe sometime in July or August is what we're hoping for. um Right in the monsoon season. And then on top of that, I got my own ah got my own stuff with Grand Voodoo Band. um I put out a single in October called Ghost in the Feel, which folks should definitely check out. And there's a music video for that as well. So worked really hard on that. The album should be coming out hopefully by spring or summer.
01:24:45
Speaker
this year. So I know Tucker's going to be excited to hear that. We'll get you back out to... Oh yeah, I'd love to come back, chat about whatever else you guys can throw my way in. We'll try to get you on something you'll enjoy. Again, like we we don't want to really throw projects at people that we don't feel like they'll enjoy, but you know.
01:25:09
Speaker
i can I can send you the summer schedule and if there's anything you're interested in or anything around the time you want want to hop in on, then let us know. Cool. And I'm always keeping my eyes peeled out for for good intentioned movies that just didn't get picked up for a whole franchise. I'm always keeping my eyes peeled for that kind of stuff with you guys.
01:25:30
Speaker
If there's any that you feel strongly about and would love to come on, let us know. The door is, our our door is always open for you, Evan. We love having you on. You're a great guest. um Yeah, doors always open.
01:25:46
Speaker
I do. In fact, remember, in fact, the the the only time this is at almost one of the only times this has ever happened, the filmmaker like caught our tweets and actually responded yeah to our Instagram posts. And like, and like, we resend our stuff out. So I felt very good. He gave us a Jeffers welcome. um That was a good fucking time. That was good. that was So yeah, we you.
01:26:15
Speaker
You made that happen, Evan, and and we will always be grateful to you for that. Right now it is the only thing in our Instagram story. I will tell you, we're backing off of Instagram because meta, o yikes, but ah ah that was that was the one good thing that came out of our time on Instagram for sure. Totally, totally.
01:26:34
Speaker
man ah But yeah, anyway, you can check me out on Spotify, Apple Music, Bandcamp, all the wherever you listen to music at, you'll find me at Grand Voodoo Band. um And then yeah, just ah keep your eyes peeled for Lupine Daughter. You can follow me on Instagram as well at at Grand Voodoo Band. um And that's where I'll be posting about any future music projects.
01:27:02
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so
01:27:06
Speaker
hell yeah. Looking forward to honestly looking forward to all of that that that cannot ah love have loved the last few singles cannot wait for the the full album and lupine daughter is just the coolest name for anything I've ever heard. So in fairness, I'm a werewolf fan. But yeah, that's that's fucking cool name. Man, my friend's gonna love hearing that. Okay, cool.
01:27:31
Speaker
Good. Yeah. Let her know. Absolutely. We had a big, we had a big meeting trying to figure out the name today. So if it's, if it, you know, it's got, it piqued up your ears. So.
01:27:44
Speaker
I mean, again, i just i'm that's coming from, again, just a shameless werewolf fan. ah love Love the werewolves, my favorite movie monster. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago when we covered the Wolfman remake, which I loved better than everyone else that watched it ah because I'm such a sucker for werewolves.
01:28:06
Speaker
you you You want to get me, put put some good werewolves in a movie. And I said, good werewolves, because, you know, Twilight.
Promotion and Social Media Engagement
01:28:13
Speaker
um It's hard to do a good werewolf movie, I feel like. you wouldn
01:28:19
Speaker
it It isn't, it isn't. like they're just There's certain things you need for werewolves and um you know imprinting on babies, not one of them, ah frankly. So you know do with that what you will. um But this has been the disenfranchised podcast, specifically an episode of this straight up.
01:28:39
Speaker
ah But you can find disenfranchised anywhere you get your podcast, obviously, because you're listening to us right now. And hey, while you're listening, while you're on that pod catcher of yours, go ahead and leave us a nice five star rating. And if you're feeling a little zesty or review would be swell. ah That enables us to find more listeners like yourselves and we like you and would love to find find find. I'm not sure what happened there, but that was fun.
01:29:07
Speaker
Is that my thirst and how impression? Lovey. Straight up. Maybe. um and no Straight up. ah Join the official conversation of the disenfranchised podcast over at patreon dot.com slash disenfranch pod ah for absolutely no money at all. You can join the the free feed. ah We'll drop main feed episodes there and you can comment and talk. Join the official conversation, like we say, ah in and talk with Tucker and I. We we actually post there.
01:29:37
Speaker
And, um, yeah, that's the thing we do. And then, um, uh, if you want to, you know, actually support us a little more, uh, throw five bucks down on the table per month and you get access to so much behind the scenes content, literal days of content back there behind the main feed, um, that you can, uh, that you can listen to and enjoy one of these days. We're going to record another, what are we watching?
01:30:01
Speaker
Uh, we've got a dis and five tries planned as well as just scheduling the three of us to get together, which is no easy feat. Let me tell you. Yeah, these are hard sometimes these boys be working and, and I, I also be working. So we're back in the day when we do, when we would do a, what are we watching and a main feed episode every week? Like it was nothing. Like it like was no skin off our back at all. Like.
01:30:29
Speaker
We didn't even have to go out of our way. It's pulling teeth now just to come out with a weekly episode on the main theme. Honestly, it's so fucking hard. Bless the patrons because like, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of stuff on there, but the new stuff is just trickling so slowly and which I know is a great selling point for joining our Patreon. But so join our paid tier five dollars a month for us to just like not give you anything.
01:31:00
Speaker
No, but for real, there's like days there is stuff on there, though. if You've never subscribed. There's so much stuff to listen to. It's just at some point you're going to run out and we're not going to have anything there for you after a certain point. Well, if you join now by the time by the time you get to the end of it, we might have a few things out. We've been to one to two things averaging a month, usually around one to zero. Yeah, I was going to say that seems more accurate lately.
01:31:28
Speaker
We try, ladies and gentlemen, we try. We try so hard and got so far. And in the end, it doesn't even matter, dude. I don't think it matters, dude. I mean, we had to fall and lose it all. And in the end, it doesn't fucking matter.
01:31:46
Speaker
um I love doing that. That's one of my favorite things. um where I love it when you do that. We are at disenfranch. Yes, socials at disenfranch pod. Again, we're kind of dropping meta. I'm not feeling great about the meta thing going forward. So ah we're going to stick with blue sky. We're going to stick with YouTube ah right now. Those are the two that we're going to stick with for the most part. I heard blue sky is going to come out with a picture, kind of an Instagram rival. And when that happens, we'll join that.
01:32:17
Speaker
to kind of not have to deal with the meta shit. But yeah, that's where we are right now at disenfranch pod at those and letterboxed. Of course, I just logged bodied so you can go see our our rating of bodied. Fantastic. Right there. Three point eight three is where that ended up. Solid. Solid. Fucking A. Fucking A. Fucking A. Oh, damn it.
01:32:49
Speaker
we We have this Evan, I don't know if you you listen to the podcast regularly, but we have this running gag. ah We there was an episode of straight up that we did a few months back on a movie that so now we ever since that episode, we have a running gag.
01:33:07
Speaker
tucker has to bleep it out it was before that episode because i was talking about doing that episode a couple weeks earlier you couldn't stop talking my doing that episode the only episode where we uttered the word but is the episode every other time that we reference it I'm saying a lot of every other time that we reference it. I have to beep it out. That's just that's that's I'm pretty sure you told light is on our phone call the other day. Maybe ah you can you we can but bleep you out too.
01:33:47
Speaker
Fantastic. That was beautiful. that That was really well done. It's a shame no one's going to hear that. it That was a really good one. I had to do my part. and And you did it admirably. Very well done. Good job. Thank you.
01:34:02
Speaker
um i am i'm I'm your regular host, Steven Foxworthy. You can find me on, like I said, Blue Sky Letterboxed. That's it for right now for me, at Chewy Walrus. That's where you can find me. ah Tucker, where can we find you these days? Well, for the moment, I'm still on Instagram. I don't know how long that's going to last. I think I kind of want to get rid of all the social medias again.
01:34:31
Speaker
Yeah, do the press. Yeah, what we call it the right purge. I it's embarrassing, but like I just can't stop scrolling through that shit all day, and it makes me feel stupid to just sit there and scroll all day. And so I think I just have to get rid of it. Don't you feel cheap after an empty? Yeah, dude.
01:34:59
Speaker
Yeah, I feel cheap and empty during. Before, during and after. Definitely. that's it Yeah, it it kind of feeds the cheap and empty, honestly. Yeah, so I think I'm getting rid of that. But ah for now, I'm still on there for who knows how long at and also on YouTube. I'll stay on YouTube. YouTube's fine. Whatever. Until it gets bought out by like Meta or some shit. Yeah. Oh, but you just stay away from the shorts, dude.
01:35:30
Speaker
Dude, i'm I'm not a shored kind of guy. You stay away from him. I don't like the reels. I don't like the shorts. The threads. Fuck heads like a thread. Fuck a thread.
01:35:45
Speaker
idiots. Anyway, also on Instagram, there's tuck mugs, which since I don't know how I feel on Instagram, I don't know how long how much longer that's gonna last, which is really sad, because I really like that place. I like tuck mugs. Tuck mugs is so cool. And it's been like probably the most positive thing I've ever put on the internet. Because I'm part of the problem. Just because I don't like the problem doesn't mean I'm not part of the problem. I'm an asshole. Bro, just change the format about it. Just ah you can upload videos about your mugs instead of pictures on Instagram, you can and you know, we could we could come up with a theme song could be like,
01:36:33
Speaker
Look, if anyone's going to write that theme song, Evan, we want it to be you. It's got to be ah a joint effort between me and Tubi. Yeah, that's fair. Dude, yeah, into it. But yeah, Tuckmugs is still a thing for now. um If you want to put in a guest bug, send it to us, disenfranchpod at gmail dot.com or just DM the Tuckmugs account with your picture and, you know, your little write up Whatever we are still but the time being talk my ah for the time we are still taking guest submissions and like there's no approval process. We're just going to post it. It's not like you don't have to do a tryout like in the movie.
01:37:24
Speaker
Right. No, we'll just we'll just put you right. and Honestly, it didn't really matter who won in the movie either because everyone kind of advanced. So yeah. Yeah. And last I do like tech mugs. I do want to announce just, you know, for our audience, we we have been texting with our good friend Brett Wright, who is at ah at a currently embroiled in his own rap battle to end all rap battles.
01:37:48
Speaker
Uh, and he, he also gave this film, like Evan and I gave this film a 3.5. So that brings our communal rating to 3.75, which I have just updated for the socials. So there there you go. That is that is some live some live shit coming down the pipeline. And that is another straight up in the can. Gentlemen, we did it. We did it. We showed it to you guys. I mean, what about what about Jimmy's socials? He gave them already. Did you? Oh, yeah. Is that when I was peeing? Oh, yeah. Socials, though, do you do my socials?
01:38:34
Speaker
Yeah, no, I got him. Do you don't subscribe to all that shit, dude? Don't worry about it. I'm sure he would. I'm sure he would let you have the socials. No, I don't need him. Well, and again, if our audience has forgotten them, they can either rewind or look at the show notes because I'm going to put them. It's going to be in the show notes, you guys. Calm down. It'll be in the show notes. It's fine. Respect. Respect.
01:39:00
Speaker
fact And that is our episode. ah Evan, thank you, Evan Wilson, thank you so much for joining us again. It is always a pleasure. You're a great guest and we are always, again, doors always open. Let us know if there's something you come across that you would like to to join us for and we'll I'll put it on the schedule myself. you'll be You'll be hearing from me very soon. Excellent, excellent. I just want to say one more
Tribute to David Lynch and Closing Thoughts
01:39:29
Speaker
thing. Yes, please.
01:39:31
Speaker
RIP to David Lynch, dude. Fucking A. RIP to the goat. Absolutely. Absolutely. one day if If we hadn't um just had him on the podcast, ah we would be covering ah Twin Peaks Firewalk with me. um with ah with our good friend Jim, Jim Roaner. But we literally just had him on two weeks ago to talk about the yeah two weeks ago. Right. We literally like we had Jim on David Lynch passed away and I'm like, should we do like last week for our last Dragon episode? I i was like the group. tech Should we do a David Lynch movie? And Tucker's like, I think the only one we could cover that we haven't is um
01:40:16
Speaker
is Fire Walk with me and and we just had Jim on. So we will be doing that when that one will be on the schedule. But I don't know, maybe maybe if we can find the time to schedule it, maybe there's some ah maybe there's some Patreon content that we can mine from that. So who knows? I'd like to. As would I. But yeah, he he changed the way I look at film. He influenced me a lot on my shooting my own music videos and stuff. And yeah.
01:40:45
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And he was he made some really rad music too, if you ever check it out. so Yeah, absolutely. One in a billion. Absolutely. Love that dude. um Seriously, one of my favorite filmmakers. what Up until recently was my favorite living filmmaker. so now Now he just joins the ranks of of my favorite filmmakers who have passed. and Yeah, he's he's absolutely phenomenal. RIP to an actual legend. um So until we cover. Firewalk with me or until next time, whichever comes first, it's going to be next time. um This has been straight up in the disenfranchised podcast, straight up, straight up.
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The ah yeah, the this has been our episode of the disenfranchised podcast. And um yeah, I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy, ah for the host of this show, Tucker, for our very special guest, Evan Wilson. Until next time, my name is. Respect. Respect. Respect.