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214 - Argylle (2024)
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“You're there because of my stress and my anxiety triggering a visual coping mechanism or something.”
We’re closing out 2024 with a bang AND a whimper because we’re covering one of this year’s first major failed franchise starters! Along the way, we take detours to discuss John Travolta’s Santa Claus Capital One commercial, why Hamilton hasn’t been adapted for the big screen yet, the post-Oscar career arc of Ariana DeBose, and the value of going into a movie blind! It’s our last big foray of the year so join us, won’t you?
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Failed Franchises: A Year in Review
00:00:22
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franchise right alone will make us rich beyond our wildest dream The greater the spy, the bigger, the disenfranchised podcast. Were that podcast all about those franchises of one? Those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film? I am your host, Steven Foxworthy, and joining me, as always, the...
00:00:45
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greatest spy I know, it's Tucker. Hey Tucker. Hello Steven, how's it going? It goes Tucker, it goes. i am yeah yeah We are recording this on the other side of Christmas from its release, um but equidistant as it were. um So yeah, pretty cool. ah It's a Christmas Eve recording for a Boxing Day release, we gotta love it.
00:01:14
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Put them up. Put them up. But it is not our Christmas episode because that was last week. This is our you because it's the last Thursday of December. So this is our year end release, Tucker.
Canceled Sequels of 2024
00:01:27
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That's true. And up to this point, historically, we have covered a failed franchise starter from the year of our Lord 20, 2024. At the end of every year, we cover a failed franchise starter from the year that has been ah just kind of as a way of you know, saying goodbye to the current year. um And let me tell you, Tucker, 2024 has had some real doozies. We have an embarrassment of riches and choices from 2024. We have a lot of canceled sequels, Transformers 1, Wolf's, the George Clooney Brad Pitt movie was supposed to get a sequel that got canceled, ah Red 1,
00:02:10
Speaker
that rock movie that came out like four weeks ago. Yeah, ah Craven the Hunter still in theaters, the Bill Skarsgard remake of The Crow, Borderlands. I mean, we we have options. None of those are ones we're excited to cover. Of course, we did already cover Madam Web.
00:02:32
Speaker
And actually, MatterWeb was the second 2024 movie that we'd covered this year because per our contract with our listeners, we also covered Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. So this is actually the third 2024 film we've covered in 2024. That's exciting. It is exciting, especially when we tell you what we landed on for 2024. Tucker, what did we eventually end up landing on for 2024?
Argyle: Cast, Creators, and Controversies
00:02:58
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Well, I'll tell you, I'm glad it wasn't any of those others that you mentioned.
00:03:02
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because fortunately you you chose correctly Steven when you scheduled this one um we're we we straight up we watched Argyle you guys We watched it we we did boy did boy did we ever watch the argyle from twenty twenty four february twenty twenty four it's argyle the first major failed franchise starter of the year ah directed by matthew vaughan written by jason fuchs and starring henry caval.
00:03:32
Speaker
Bryce Dallas Howard, Sam Rockwell, Bryan Cranston, Catherine O'Hara, Sophia Botella, Dua Lipa, Ariana DeBose, John Cena, Samuel L. Jackson, Rob Delaney, Richard E. Grant, Ben Daniels, Louis Partridge, and others. What a cast. And a CGI cat. And and a very CGI cast. What a cast. What a picture.
00:04:01
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Oh, what a picture. I tell you what, I was really mad. Well, I wasn't mad, but I was really disappointed um that I waited so long to watch it because I watched it last night and I was like, damn, I don't have time to watch it again tonight.
00:04:19
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And I'm not going to have time to watch it again tomorrow. And like, it's the kind of movie where I really, I wanted, I wanted to record this as soon as I was done watching it. I was like, I need, I need to talk about this right now. So hopefully, and I was like, every, I was, everything was going through my head and I was like, no brain, stop, save it, save it.
00:04:39
Speaker
And so hopefully i I remember all of those points that I was thinking of last night. I was outside just pacing like, oh, man, I really want to talk about this movie. And the worst part was is normally when that happens, I go on YouTube and I'll watch videos about the movie. But from based on the thumbnails and the titles of most of the movies, um those people didn't like this movie as much as I did. So I didn't really want to engage with that. There was no reason to. Probably wise on your part. Yeah.
00:05:09
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Now see, I didn't have that reaction to this movie. In fact, I walked out of this movie going, yep, I don't think we're getting sequels to this and I think that's okay. It didn't work for me. But generally, I'm going to be honest with you, generally Matthew Vaughn doesn't work for me. I'm not a big Matthew Vaughn fan. I've never seen the Kingsman's. I've seen the first two. I've not seen the Kingsman, but that feels like a future episode of this podcast.
00:05:37
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um So i'm I'm holding off until we need to watch it for this podcast. I don't know that I've, I've, well, I think I've, I've seen that X-Men movie that he did, but- Which I think might be my favorite thing of his. I don't think I've seen anything else that he's done outside of that. I don't really remember that. I saw it when it came out and it was good, but I don't really remember much about it. I mean, there are things that I really dislike about it, like January Jones's performance, um but there are things that I really like about that one too. so
00:06:09
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And I kind of wish they'd let him move forward instead of handing it back to he who must not be named. um Yeah, because he but I mean, he did do Stardust. I did like Days of Future Past, though. I thought that was good. this future past was fun It wasn't good. all It was fun. It was all right. His first movie was Layer Cake, which is not a movie I've seen.
00:06:30
Speaker
I have it either, but i'm I'm familiar with it like peripherally. I hear good thing. it's It's kind of like a Guy Ritchie light kind of thing. um And that's yeah I think he did get his start producing Guy Ritchie films. Yeah, he produced Lock, Sock, Two Smoking Barrels, Snatch, Swept Away. So he started as Guy Ritchie's producer before he started directing himself. So Layer Cake is kind of a Guy Ritchie-esque pastiche.
00:06:57
Speaker
And he's kind of, for the most part, kind of just with the exception of Stardust and X-Men, really, just kind of continued in that vein. Everything else he's done is either the first Kick-Ass movie or- Oh, yeah, he did do that, didn't he? All the Kingsman movies. So that's kind of the thing. I mean, Kick-Ass definitely deserves it's its status, but I I think it's just OK. It's pretty OK, I'd say. I like it. I like I liked the first one. I didn't rush out to see the second one. In fact, I still haven't seen the second kick ass. But from what I understand, he didn't really have much to do with that one. It's not terrible. It's just he was a producer. That's about it. It's fine. The sequel was fine.
00:07:49
Speaker
I just I don't know. I know that it was it was meant to be a franchise, but I don't know that first movie I think would have been enough for me. Kind of how I feel about our guys series or something. I mean, it started as a comic book series, as did Kingsman.
00:08:05
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Well, I'd be really interested to see how they'd make a sequel to this because all of the fun, the fun that I had in this movie, not all of it, but a lot of it stemmed from all of the wacky, absurd, batshit crazy fucking stupid twists that just kept happening. And see, that's that took me right out after like the third one. I'm like, fuck this movie. Just motherfuck this movie.
00:08:32
Speaker
Look, about five seconds into this movie, my brain clicked and was like, hey, it's going to be this kind of movie. Do we like it or do we not? And I was like, you know what? I think we like it. And then I was on board from ah the beginning of this movie almost felt like a trailer for the rest of the film, not in like the set piece or anything, but really in the tone of it, because it's really, really stupid and it's really absurd, but it's really smart about it.
00:08:59
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Like, and even even down to the way the film is made, the way that it's shot and the way that the CGI, I think has to be in some places like bad on purpose. Because this movie just kind of has a silly air of I don't give a fuck about it while also taking that very seriously.
00:09:19
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Do you know what I mean? Does that make sense at all? No, I mean, honestly, okay it's for me, it's the I don't care about this shit that takes me out of the movie time and time again, because it then why are we here? If you don't care, then why the fuck should I is kind of my attitude toward this stuff.
00:09:37
Speaker
And it- What are you saying? Who don't care? Who doesn't care? The filmmakers clearly don't care. Oh, no, they put a lot into this, man. They put a lot into how absurd and stupid this is. But that's just it. Like, it it doesn't feel intention- To me, it doesn't feel intentionally absurd and stupid. It just feels absurd and stupid.
00:09:56
Speaker
Well, I think that's even though it didn't even though it didn't work for you. I think that means that it it did what they wanted it to do because like, you know how you've got bad movies that are good because they're done in earnest.
00:10:12
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But it still just sucks really bad. But then when somebody tries to make a bad movie, that earnestness isn't there. So it isn't sincere. and it It isn't the same. Right. Well, this movie somehow, for me at least, pulls that off. They're trying to do something that's kind of so ridiculous and stupid, but they they take it for me, they take it seriously in all the right ways.
00:10:38
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to where it works, even though they're trying to accomplish something that is normally accomplished by accident in earnest. You know what I mean? No? Okay, maybe I'm just babbling. I could I don't know. I don't know. It's for me, it's kind of the um it's the it's the Napoleon dynamite problem.
00:11:00
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It's the, they spend the whole movie kind of winking at the audience and like, eh, this is funny, right? You like this, huh? This is funny, right? That I'm just like, you do that so many times and I'm just like, stop, okay? Just let me watch the damn thing. And this, it it took to quote Family Guy, it insists upon itself in that way. And this movie has that kind of like, huh? You like this, right? You like this.
00:11:29
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and But then you get like the pre-vis stuff, like that initial chase ah through Greece, where he's driving the car across the buildings while she's zipping, ah while very clearly standing, so like sitting still on a motorcycle, but is zipping through through Greece. like Everything's pre-vis. Nothing is real. Everything's just kind of flubbery. And for for me, that just completely diminishes the stakes of the thing.
00:11:57
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And I know that's like the fantasy world, but then the real life action stuff doesn't look that much better. So no. And my theory on that, hear me out. Where are you going? Don't leave.
00:12:11
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um No, I forgot what I was talking. I'm just drinking some of my white Christmas Russian here. Oh, God. ah So the moment.
00:12:24
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The moment that I decided that I liked this movie was after, at the beginning, they're dancing around and, and he gets out, he does all the, all the smoke comes and he gets out and he's in the car and Dua Lipa comes out and she's on the motorcycle and she just unloads like a whole clip right at Henry Cavill from an Uzi.
00:12:52
Speaker
and then And the black girl is the only one that actually takes a hit. And then makes a sexy face, turns around and drives away. And I was like, oh, it's this kind of movie. OK, OK. Like I see you, movie, I see you and and I'm into it. And I think at that point, like I hear what you're saying and I understand ah what you mean because there are this is not I don't think How should I put this? careful i have seen I have seen several better films this year. I've seen a lot of better movies than this this year. But this is the most fun I've had watching a movie all year. All year, Steven, the most fun. Like ah everyone else in this house was asleep. And like, I was like,
00:13:47
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I was trying not to laugh too loud or like I wanted to clap sometimes. And like, I don't know, man, it was maybe it just hit me at the right time. then that very Sometimes the right movie at the right
Impact of Mood and Environment on Film Enjoyment
00:14:01
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time can make all the difference. I've seen masterpieces when I've been in a bad mood and I've hated them.
00:14:07
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And it's one of those things like I need to go back and revisit that because I was not in a good headspace when I sat down for that movie. This one, I sat down going like I kind of i wanted to like it. I really did. And for a while it was like the movie was fighting with me. I'm like, movie, would you let me like you? And they're like, no, we want to be bullshit. And I was like, damn it. yeah and And eventually the bullshit went out. And I just was I'm just like, we've got too many good actors in this movie.
00:14:35
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doing just the most ridiculous things, and saying the most ridiculous dialogue. And I'm just like, why why is Richard E. Grant in this movie? Like, that's that's one of those, this this is a cameo that screams of, we've got more important stuff for him to do later, yes kind of things.
00:14:57
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Um, you know, who gets the VIP award of the cast though, for me is Bryce Dallas Howard, because I, I've seen her in other things and she's, she's fine. She's competent. She's just always, for me, she's just kind of unremarkable, you know, just pretty, pretty, pretty mid, which is fine. You know, it gets the job done.
00:15:21
Speaker
don' I don't think she's ever kind of risen above like those early M. Night Shyamalan movies for her and in my mind. But yeah, yeah. But I think that she she really went above and beyond on this one. Like she stuck out to me in this movie. In what way? And ah well.
00:15:45
Speaker
Um, I didn't know, first of all, I didn't know anything about this movie before I watched it. Oh, you didn't, you hadn't like seen a trailer or anything. I had no interest in this movie at all to the point to where I didn't even want to watch a trailer. I had no idea what it was about. No plot synopsis. Nothing. I just knew that maybe it was some kind of spy movie. I don't know. And I think going into this blind without any knowledge, I don't know how much they revealed in the trailers, but I loved, um,
00:16:15
Speaker
how even though the twists were ridiculous. that the way they switched gears with each one worked really well for me. It almost it almost felt like if somebody smoked out Joseph Kahn while he was making detention, because it flows like detention does. It kind of goes from one thing to and another. Every time there's a twist, the movie switches gears and goes in this other direction. And it's just kind of like a slower more ah ah slower detention.
00:16:49
Speaker
like not MTV style, not ADHD, detention, like calm detention. Like, I don't know, because I feel like detention is is much more consistent in its tone management than Argyle is. Like with detention, I feel like Joseph Kahn doesn't let everything get away from him. He's constantly aware of all the pieces he's got on the board and knows when to deploy them for maximum effectiveness. I don't get that from Matthew Vaughn all the time because there are ideas that could be really interesting that get dropped immediately.
00:17:25
Speaker
like the Bryan Cranston twist, I think is incredible. And I would love to see that play out for like 10 more minutes, at least, or half a movie. Like in another world, that's the movie.
00:17:37
Speaker
But we abandon that so quickly and everyone's true colors come out so quickly. And I got whiplash from this movie like a half a dozen times because it's just flinging itself wildly from one end of the screen to the other without any kind of concept of like...
00:17:57
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trying to rein in this monstrously unwieldy narrative that it's constructed for itself. And I, I don't know, I felt and and also detentions like what a tight 90. Yeah, this thing is is unwieldy, even in its runtime, like I could have you could have cut at least a half an hour out of this thing, maybe, maybe 45 minutes, and I'd have probably been happy.
00:18:22
Speaker
It's what, two hours, two hours, 15, two and a half, I think it's um hang on. Let me I tell you what, I was watching it to 20. I was watching it last night and I paused it to get up and go to the bathroom. And um I saw that I was at an hour, 45, and there was a half hour left. And I was like, damn. It's going to be over that day.
00:18:50
Speaker
I just, I wanted more. So my my issue is for some reason, my my my apple plus Apple TV Plus app likes to um ah just like stop working mid mid mid video, like multiple times. And it did it probably 10 times while I was watching the movie last night.
00:19:08
Speaker
And it would, anytime I tried to get back in, it would just start the movie from the beginning. So I was constantly aware of how far I was into the runtime of this movie. And I mean, that was kind of an insult to injury kind of thing, because I wasn't enjoying the movie. And then I have to go back through all the shit that I didn't like the first time to get to the stuff I didn't like that was currently happening. um Yeah.
00:19:32
Speaker
Not nothing. We're just kind of like, ah oh, yeah, ah we know this, we know you're not enjoying this, but how about we add to it an experience that you're not going to enjoy even more? That's too bad, Steven. It really, I mean that sincerely, because gosh, I wish you would have had the good time I had with that movie.
00:19:50
Speaker
I wanted to man. I wanted to. I'm smiling. I'm smiling just thinking about it. I want to watch it again but you know what? I'm afraid because something you just said about having to stop it a whole bunch of times and like come back to it. This is a movie that I feel like if I had stopped it too many times and had to come back into it, I would not have enjoyed it enough because you kind of get for me, I kind of got sucked into its rhythm.
00:20:16
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And I feel like that if I'm not holding on to it tight as it's zipping along, right that I'm going to notice the cracks. You know what I mean? Like if you if you get into the rhythm of this movie and you stick with it, you're going to be good. If you sit there and kind of, you know, you got to do this and like in your case, not even your fault, your shit was fucking up right.
00:20:42
Speaker
Like I think that kind of dampens the experience because I think this this film is best enjoyed when you kind of just
00:20:50
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go right into it. And you I don't even that one break that I took, I was like, man, I got to get back to that. Come on, let's go. Right. That's what I'm afraid. I'm afraid to watch it again, kind of, because it's probably not as good as I imagined. And like I said, I am fully aware that this is not a good movie. Oh, who doesn't silence their phone during a podcast? Even, geez, some people know I have to edit that out. Golly. Yeah, I like this movie, though.
00:21:18
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um' glad I'm glad I'm glad you enjoyed it. I um didn't. um Although this is our second week in a row where we've covered a movie about a a female spy who loses her memory and is forced to live a normal life until her spy instincts are reawakened, and also co starring Samuel L. Jackson.
00:21:42
Speaker
Dude, yeah. so is that Did people know that about the movie going in? Did the trailer reveal that? No. No, that is one of the twists of the movie. One of the many twists of the movie. That's something I really enjoyed about how they handled the twists in this movie because they gave you enough clues leading up to it to where you you've pretty much figured out what's going to happen.
00:22:05
Speaker
but you're not sure how they're going to do it. And that's fun for me because it makes me feel smart, but also keeps that sense of intrigue where I'm like, okay, I see what they're going to do, but how are we going to get there?
00:22:21
Speaker
And that was that was really fun for me. Yeah, the the I think the only things I knew going in is that it was a spy thriller and Bryce Dallas Howard is like a J.K. Rowling style author who writes these spy novels.
00:22:39
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um
00:22:41
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that feature Henry Cavill's character. I think that was all I really knew going in. I knew there were kind of two worlds, but I didn't know where the delineation was, and it felt like Sam Rockwell's character was the inspiration, whether she knew it or not, of the character she was writing. Like, there's the whole, she's writing real life was a part of the trailer, as I recall. um okay But I didn't know how, like,
00:23:08
Speaker
the Henry Cavill stuff fit in or... That was a nice misdirect for a while too. Nice little misdirect. You're like, oh, how's she right in the future? What? Right. And then slowly you start to realize that's not what's happening at all. Right. My initial thought was that Catherine O'Hara was a spy because she would send everything to her mom to read and that Catherine O'Hara was the one who was the spy and was like feeding her the good stuff. um Like, oh, change this or update this or what what's this about? um and And I was right about Catherine O'Hara being a spy just wrong about her feeding the information. So.
00:23:45
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, because spoilers, everyone in this movie is a fucking spy. Everybody, everybody. This is like the John Wick universe for spies. Like the John Wick universe, everyone is an assassin. Literally every person in every one of those movies kills people for a living. And this movie, everyone's a spy. Even the cats probably a spy. Speaking of the cat being a spy, I want to I want to float this theory by you, Steven, because I went through about two thirds of the second act thinking this was what I was supposed to infer. And you remember at the beginning after the she finishes reading the book and she takes the questions and stuff and she goes home and she's trying to finish the book and everything and she asks the cat
00:24:40
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if he has any ideas. right And then the camera pans right into the cat's face and then the movie begins. This is in the cat's brain.
00:24:52
Speaker
You know what? I think I would have probably liked that better. That's what I like. I sincerely, because of the way the camera pushed into it, I'm like, Oh, okay. Now we're going to see what the cat's idea is just because of the kind of movie it was so far. It was so silly. Right. I was like, we're we're going into the cat's viewpoint. Okay. And so for probably about 30 minutes, I was like, wow. Yeah. This, this cat viewpoint part is going on for a really long time. This is really interesting. And I was like, wait, was I supposed to infer that? Like, But then that's the thing about the cat is the cat thing never really pays off. Like the cat is kind of the most non-MacGuffany MacGuffin that ever did not MacGuffin. Like it's just it's just there. It's not even a foil. It's just kind of a constant presence. Like the cat doesn't really like help except when it kind of like scratches at Bryan Cranston later in the movie. Like
00:25:45
Speaker
Yeah, lights him real hard. It was just, other than that, it's just kind of a, a non-entity that like Sam Rockwell is clearly ah upset about. And like they, they try to get a couple of jokes out of it. And I don't think either of those really land, but I don't know. I don't know. The cat thing didn't really work for me. And this is coming from someone who owns cats. So. I appreciate, appreciate about that.
00:26:10
Speaker
um I appreciate the amount of dancing they allowed Sam Rockwell to do. Because Sam Rockwell dancing is always a win. Mm hmm. You can't lose if Sam Rockwell is dancing. You're having a good time. Everyone's Sam's having a good time. We're having a good time. If if say Sam Rockwell should dance in every movie. He should have that in his like John Travolta has in his his contract, his claws and his contracts like I got to dance a little bit. Mm hmm.
00:26:41
Speaker
And can I say, you know, this might be and um a good explanation as to why I like movies like this. I really like that Capital to One card ah commercial with John Travolta, where he's Santa Claus. And he walks through. They basically do the beginning of set of Saturday Night Fever. Yeah, but he's it's perfect. And he's got the guy and then he goes in, he does the dance.
00:27:04
Speaker
I just like I don't like that kind of instalgibate shit, but like for some reason that one was they really did a good job with that. Just I mean, the devil's in the detail. Wow. Always. Yeah. And there's so much for people who are fans of the original movie and know the scenes that they're referencing. Like it's it's subtle and it's perfect. Perfect. Yeah, I believe in.
00:27:32
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And again, it's kind of one of those things where and again, it's the details. So if you're if you know the thing, you're looking for the thing, you're going to see the thing. um Yeah. and And the more attention to detail. ah For me, a parody is only as good as someone's appreciation for the original thing. ah You can't parody a thing if that that you hate, otherwise it's just going to feel um
00:28:02
Speaker
like those scary movie ripoffs from the early aughts like not another teen movie not another superhero movie epic movie epic movie spartan right like all that shit where you're just like it's clear you don't like this why are you doing this you're not above this material um That's that's clearly kind of what it it feels like. And I mean, for for all of this movie's flaws, it's very clear that Matthew Vaughn likes action movies. Obviously, that's kind of what he does. Again, with the exception of Stardust, it's it's kind of the type of movie he tends to make. And he specifically loves this kind of spy thriller genre. This is his apparently his ode to 80s action movies like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon.
00:28:50
Speaker
And I don't see as many of those movies in here as I do just like, bond shit. I see a lot, as far as the action influences, I see a lot of like, early 2000s, big budget, like bad boys 2 kind of stuff.
00:29:07
Speaker
And not in a bad way at all. I really loved all of the action scenes, like were they cheesy and stupid? Yes, but I thought they looked fantastic. And even when they didn't, it felt like they weren't supposed to. like Like I mentioned about the CGI, the CGI in this is not great, but I think they kind of use that to their advantage because of how silly the rest of this is presented. Like the bad CGI almost works as an asset to that presentation for me.
00:29:35
Speaker
Like the cat, the cat looks fucking terrible. Terrible. Yeah. There's maybe a real cat in that movie like twice in like two shots. and There's maybe a real cat right and it looks awful. But for me, it just adds to like the the cartoonishness of not only that character, but just kind of of the whole film.
00:29:54
Speaker
It's almost like, and in some some cases it's almost like a cool world kind of thing where you can tell they're trying to interact with something that's not really there. yeah And not doing a very good job of it. um And I use cool world just because cool world has probably some of the more egregious instances of that. Whereas something like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, you get like the attention to detail. Like yeah whenever Bob Hoskins is grabbing Roger by the neck, you believe he's grabbing Roger by the neck.
00:30:23
Speaker
Like those are things that are happening in real life ah versus, you know, attempting to enter. But like when Sam Rockwell like reaches in and grabs the cat and throws it off the roof and I'm just like.
00:30:37
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Like nothing about this feels like the object that he's holding in his hands has no weight whatsoever. A real cat as a as a cat owner would be squirming like hell and fighting. He dropped the cat before he intentionally dropped the cat just because the cat would be fighting with him trying to get to get loose like. Yeah, that is true. That is true. I really enjoyed the um the scene where Sam Rockwell and Bryce Dallas Howard are, they're in the armory and they come out with all the smoke. I thought that was just fantastic.
00:31:20
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Like, and if you would show, show me that scene outside of the context of this film, I'd be like, yeah, that's kind of, like that's kind of cool. I like what they did with the colors and stuff. That's rad. Whatever. But within the context of this movie, that was the peak.
00:31:35
Speaker
of this film was that action scene just because of like how it sort of brought these characters to where they needed to be, where they had been going this whole film. I don't know. It just it tied it all together with a nice big bow for me. That scene did. And it was pretty. Yeah. I mean, it looked cool with like the the smoke and stuff, but like I. Yeah.
00:32:05
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I don't know, it it, it was dramatic, man. It was, for me, it was emotional because like, it is a silly movie and it's really dumb, but there are the emotional beats between Sam Rockwell and Bryce Dallas Howard really, really work for me. And I think that, I mean, that's not so much the script as it is. Those are at least Sam Rockwell and Bryce Dallas Howard in this movie specifically, they're, they're killing it.
00:32:33
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ah They are killing it. They're doing their best. I love their chemistry in this movie, too. I really do know. I'm glad you like i'm the weird one.
00:32:46
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I'm the weird one. i well and that's That's the thing about this movie is that this movie comes out and before it even does that thing that movies do now where before the movie comes out it's like we're gonna do like this is gonna be a trilogy we've got a prequel spin-off planned we're gonna do a crossover with the Kingsman and quote one other action franchise that is as of yet unnamed Like, they come in with these incredibly lofty expectations for what this movie is supposed to do. And there's no way the movie can live up to those expectations. i I agree with you. But I don't think for me, at least it doesn't need to because it feels like a pretty good bottle story. Like this is, I'm like, I would watch a sequel to this.
00:33:34
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But I don't need one. I don't even really want one. this is For me, this is a really good bottle story for me. There are obviously sequel hooks. Oh, so many sequel hooks in this movie. Yeah. But but the the main things that are the main conflicts that are brought up in this movie for me are all tied up and resolved at the end. You can go on from there.
00:33:59
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Which this movie clearly wants to do it wants to but that's that's why I'm really surprised to hear you say that they plan this out as Like they already had the shit figured out because I kind of assumed that they just wanted it to be a franchise So they made this movie because it feels so self-contained for me at least it feels really really self-contained And it's that thing that we tend to talk about. Like, if you want to make a trilogy, you've got to put all your effort into the first movie. And this movie feels like a movie where they just try to cram in as much as they could into one movie, to the to the extent that it's overfull. It's overstuffed. There's too much happening in this movie.
00:34:40
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And the stuff that is happening isn't necessarily always stuff that I like. Like I said, in another world, you can slow some of this down and deal with the interpersonal relationships between, like, ah between Bryce Dallas Howard and Bryan Cranston and Catherine O'Hara.
00:34:58
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Instead, what we get is like they're revealed as spies halfway through, or I guess Cranston, we know he's a spy before we know he's posing as her dad, but then that's just like, oh, well, we're moving on now. This is the rest of the movie. like Well, they make a double twist out of it, because at first, you don't know Catherine O'Hara is also a spy. I mean, I knew Catherine O'Hara was a spy.
00:35:20
Speaker
Oh, shut up. You didn't nose deep. I just told you what I thought the original twist of the movie was. Like I knew that was the part that I was not surprised about. And so when Bryan Cranston walks through the door, I'm kind of like, oh, so they're both spies. OK, I did think she was Catherine O'Hara was slightly wasted in this movie. She had some moments that I really enjoyed, but I feel like they could have done so much more with her. Like, like I don't when she was in it, she was great, but I wanted just just a little bit more That's the problem with casts of this size is invariably there's nothing for everyone to do. I mean this movie has two Oscar winners and of those two Oscar winners one of them gets some decent stuff to do. The other one Ariana DeBose spends most of the movie dead. She comes in a little bit at the beginning and a little bit at the end and we don't see her the rest of the movie.
00:36:15
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I like her too. That's a shame. I love her. That's what's why I would watch a sequel because she would be in it and she would get to do stuff. Did you see West Side Story, the Steven Spielberg West Side Story from a few years ago? I haven't. I haven't because I need to dust off my my other West Side Story VHS and finally watch it. I've had it for 30 years and I've never watched it. It is.
00:36:37
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the the The Spielberg-West End story is incredible. It's
Ariana DeBose and the Musical Trend
00:36:41
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unbelievable. And she is unbelievable in it. She is so good. And every movie that she's pretty much taken since then has been Disappointing to say the least. I just want to run through it. Like, first of all, she's in Hamilton. She is the bullet in Hamilton. That's that's the people love the people love the Hamilton. They love it. After that, in later in 2020, she's in The Prom, a movie I don't like, but my partner really loves. I've not seen it. It's it's on Netflix. And if ah you don't like musicals, so you'll probably hate it.
00:37:15
Speaker
I wouldn't say I don't like them. it's I know I have said I don't like them, but I'm revising that statement and saying that I'm... Well, I mean, you could put it that way, but I think a better way to put it is that I'm just very, very, very picky. Fair. That's fair.
00:37:34
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um I'm not a big fan of The Prom, but I love – and I like musicals. um I love The West Side Story, um which is the movie that she won her Oscar for, um which is the same role – she played the same role that um Rita Moreno won her Oscar for as well.
00:37:51
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Hey, that girl from Y2K is in that West Side Story, too. Rachel Zegler, yes, she's amazing. I like i love her in that movie. ah Then she does a lot of television. She does five episodes of Westworld, nine episodes of Shmigadoon. That's what I know her from.
00:38:07
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I was gonna say I love her, but I can't figure out where the fuck I know her from. That's what she's making her from. She's fantastic. She's great. ah She's a schoolteacher and she make a doing. Is she a theater? She seems like she'd be a theater gal. did She do a bunch of theater before she went in the movie. Yes. She she she was in like she she did ensemble for like company and Hamilton and ah just a shit ton of other shows. Oh, you did say Hamilton. That's right. Yeah. Pay attention.
00:38:32
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Are they going to make a movie of that man? man Like a movie movie? if if Lin-Manuel said is if if someone's got an idea to to holler at him. I just can't believe with how successful that was that there's already not like a four movie franchise at this point.
00:38:49
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I mean, I think it's got to be the right project for Lin-Manuel to agree to it, to like greenlight it. I don't think he's in a hurry. Like Wicked took forever. But like with the success of Wicked, people are like, well, Lin, you got to do this. And he's like, yeah, if someone's got a good idea, he's like, I don't want to direct it. But if someone else wants to direct it and has an idea for how to pull it off on on screen in a way that's compelling and interesting, I'll hear him out.
00:39:16
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Like, so I think he's interested. He's just not in a not in a hurry, which is, I think, the right way to be. Wait for the right director with the right idea to come along to adapt your property.
00:39:27
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ah why be a difficult one to do because you're you're walking a fine line there because you have to make it a period period piece so you you have to take a lot of the aspects seriously and i'm not saying that hamilton isn't a serious play but it it has kind of a not so serious gimmick you know what i mean So I mean, you're telling you're telling a ah an 18th century story with a very 21st century sensibility in a very 21st century way. So the play itself is already kind of there's already a tension built in there that people really responded to. And now you're adding a cinematic aspect to it.
00:40:08
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Yeah, like I'm afraid most people's pitches would be we just have like actors playing these roles and then they're just wrapping the whole time and I'm just like that doesn't work like you kind of I almost kind of want to see like more of a dogville kind of thing where it's super minimalistic like the stage show is.
00:40:25
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Yeah, um or or something more like what wicked did where everything's super opulent but also very fakie Um, I mean, yes, I know the sets are real but like no real place looks like that Like those are clearly sets like no no real functional places in our world look like that so but it but yeah, so a very kind of uh ah But I don't want to see like people walking around eight or 18th century New York rapping. I don't want to see that. No, it's it like I said, it's it's a weird it's a weird line to straddle there because you have to. Damn, I don't even know how you do that. I'm sure somebody could do it, though. I'm sure someone out there has an idea. And when they pitch it to Lynn and he likes it, they'll be able to do it.
00:41:16
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So I retract my initial statement. I do understand why they haven't made a movie of that yet. Yeah. And again, it's also all's bombed big. So yeah. yeah But I think wicked's Wicked's pulling a lot of the sting out of that out of that cat's bombing. Like John Chiu, John M. Chiu is basically cashing in the check that he he got from Crazy Rich Asians. Crazy Rich Asians was huge. He was the director of that. And he's like, well, ah you you give me a ton of money. You tell me what project I want to make. I want to make wicked. He made In the Heights kind of in between there. But like Wicked was his dream project and now he gets to make it. So
00:41:55
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Well, i don't know if I don't know if Wicked completely 100% counts as the same as other stage musicals would because it's it's sort of based on ah something that was already cinematic, that had been represented cinematically. h So I agree with you, but I don't know if Wicked being a stage musical means that. Hollywood executives are going to be like, let's do more stage musicals because it is like the. Do you know how Hollywood executives think Tucker? That's exactly what's going to happen. And but I'm saying. The look of Wicked is very much based on.
00:42:44
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you know, like the the original MGM Wizard of Oz. Just with all the color pulled out of it, because they desaturated the hell out of that thing, which I hate. Yes. Yeah. I'm saying, though, it it is even though it is originated as a book and then a stage play, it is based on something that has already been established. Very cinematic. Sure. Like it's it's one of everybody knows that fucking movie.
00:43:12
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So I'm just saying, i wouldn't I wouldn't get my hopes up that they're going to start making all the the stage musicals now that Wicked hits. But here's the thing, they they have been already. Like we've gotten this year. or We've got a Mean Girls musical this year. But nobody gave a fuck. And was that because of Wicked?
00:43:30
Speaker
No, Wicked was already like Wicked hadn't come out yet. Like we get Mean Girls at the beginning of the year. We get In the Heights like three years ago. Like these. Oh, yeah, that's true. Musicals are coming out. They're being made. And honestly, I think Mama Mia might be the culprit there. Like the reason musical started seeping back into the public consciousness. Cats in 2019, you get um Mamma Mia and Mamma Mia, there we go again. um The Greatest Showman, I think, is a big culprit there as well. That one was huge. Not a stage musical, but still like a musical. And so people were like, well, is that one with people like singing and dancing? What's it? Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone? La La Land. What was that shit? There you go. Yeah, that was the musical, right? ah Not a stage musical. No, that was just music directly for the screen. But do you think it was
00:44:23
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um an homage to a stage musical? Do you think it was more an homage to like the old Gene Kelly musicals? it's the old Yeah, more than more than the old screen musicals than it was the old stage musicals. Yeah, I haven't seen it. Because you know, I haven't either. But just what I know of it and what I have seen of it, that it seems to be more more that than the other.
00:44:48
Speaker
But I mean, we we have been getting quite a few musicals within the past several years. And so there's no reason for me to think we won't get more. um Netflix did a matilda music the did the Matilda musical and the screen adaptation of that. like we've We have been getting them. They've just, I think,
00:45:08
Speaker
flown under the radar to an extent. Tick, tick, boom came out the same year as In the Heights. The Lin-Manuel director. Oh yeah, Andrew Garfield. Yeah. With Andrew Garfield and Vanessa Hudgens. That one was good. I quite liked Tick, Tick, Boom. And I kind of want to see that. And I loved In the Heights too. Like In the Heights was great. So Anthony Ramos and Melissa Barrera, Jimmy Smits, like great cast in The Heights. Jimmy Smits. Jimmy Smits, man.
00:45:39
Speaker
That puts a smile on my face. You get 2021, you get West Side Story. So like musicals are kind of like, they're they're in a zone right now. They're having a moment, as the kids might say. Speaking of musicals, Steven, as soon as we're done recording here, I have to watch Anna and the Apocalypse because i've i'm I'm on the line here. Like I have to watch it before Christmas.
00:46:07
Speaker
And even though it will technically be Christmas, I was going to say, yeah, for you, it's Christmas in two minutes. I've still got an hour, but yeah, I have to watch it before I go to bed at night because i I rent it every year. I don't know why I don't just buy it. I should probably just buy it. You sure? But I rent it every year and I watch it because I like i ever since it came out 2017. Have you seen Anna the Apocalypse? Yeah, a couple times. I like it a lot.
00:46:31
Speaker
i I think it's OK. My partner doesn't really care for it. I think we watched it a couple years ago. I don't think you liked it. I like it because the the tonal shifts in that movie, they're not great. They're a struggle, but they do it. Like, I don't know anything about the making of this movie, but just by watching it like.
00:46:57
Speaker
It, they do these tonal shifts and you're not sure if they're going to pull it off because you're like, Oh, is it? Oh, there you go. Okay. Okay. All right. They got it. Okay. It's one of those, it's one of those leeching go for a second earnestness is carrying the thing. Yes. I really liked that movie. I liked the songs in that movie too, though. I don't know if I'd buy the soundtrack.
00:47:19
Speaker
I don't know they are well, no, because they're not really Christmas songs either. I'd say I classified as a Christmas album, but it's not really the songs aren't really Christmasy. Not really.
00:47:31
Speaker
So to veer back to Ariana DeBose for a bit, because I was I was recounting her. So Schmigadoon, nine episodes of Schmigadoon. She does ah ISS, which is a movie about a space station. She's in it, apparently. ah The Disney film Wish. She's a Disney princess in that one. um Most people said that was bad. She does this movie. ah Two episodes of Fraggle Rock.
00:47:57
Speaker
ah Something for Amazon Prime called a House of Spoils, um which feels feels like ah maybe something like the menu. She plays a chef called Chef. I know the House of Cosby's. Do you ever see that show, Steven? No. On Adult Swim? No. It was an animated show about this guy who um builds like this machine that sucks in all these alternate universe Cosby's and he has to live with them and it's a sitcom. So you have all these different like niche, very focused niche Cosby's that he lives with. Yeah, it's it's really dumb. ah They ended the show because um Bill Cosby's lawyers are very scary. yeah Apparently.
00:48:48
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I didn't mean to derail you though, but you made me think of House of Cosby's and I don't think of House of Cosby's that often. So when I think of it, I i feel like I need to mention it. And then finally, the last thing she did this year, which you can see in theaters now, if you want to future episode of this podcast, Craven the Hunter.
00:49:05
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Hey, oh, she's in there. Yeah. So I mean, it just it just feels like she has not really followed up her Oscar win with a lot of like quality, quality gigs and even something like this that you quite enjoyed. She's barely in it. But she's she's better than it feels like most of the material she's been offered up to this point.
00:49:26
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Well, and that's the problem with getting your Oscar early, Steven. People start having expectations of you. You're allowed to fuck up before you get your Oscar. It's the Cuba that you get your Oscar. Oh, my God. That poor man. Poor, poor man.
00:49:44
Speaker
Wherefore art thou, Cuba? um What I the last thing I saw that he did that was any good was um that OJ Simpson show that Ryan Murphy, OJ Simpson show.
00:49:56
Speaker
I heard that was really good. not He's not bad. I don't know. I feel like he's at a point in his career now where he's done all those B movies and shit, but a whole new generation is starting to appreciate the good movies that he was in.
00:50:13
Speaker
And those people are becoming filmmakers. And, you know, they're like, hey, man, let's pull this guy out of obscurity. Like Tarantino did with Michael Madsen, basically. Right. Took a B movie guy and threw him into these fantastic art films and he kills it every fucking time. Yeah. I think I think part of Michael Madsen's problem is that he's also not really an easy guy to work with by and large.
00:50:36
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he He seems to have a bit of problem with some substances, I think that that has a lot to do with it it. Seems like that may be an accurate statement. I cannot confirm or deny as I do not know the man, but it feels like it could be true. yeah I went to a con where we were supposed to meet him, but he never showed up. Interesting. Yeah.
00:51:00
Speaker
Maybe that's who Tom Savini was getting his cocaine from. Maybe that's why he was pacing in the hallway of the hotel in a towel yelling at someone on the phone about not having the cocaine he was supposed to have. with that I love you, Tom Savini. I'm sure you were going through a bad time, man. Like, you were real nice in the beginning and then... Tom Savini, check out our episode of um the ah your remake of ah Not as Living Dead to just, you know, love, love and respect you, Tom Savini. But, you know, facts are facts. um And that ha happened. So speaking of people that are underused and if if if ah if not used hardly at all to their capacity in this movie, ah John Cena,
00:51:45
Speaker
really like funny, funny actor. like I like John Cena a lot. Loved Peacemaker, loved him in the Suicide Squad, um thought he was really good in Fast 9. The fuck's he doing in this movie?
00:52:01
Speaker
he has a He has a great natural comedic ability, um but he really shines when you get him with the right director. um The kind of director that can use that comedic sensibility and then also direct this man into a fantastic dramatic performance. And that's exactly what Peacemaker was. Yes. For me, because he's hilarious in that. But he really nails the drama, too. Like, like, he's not just funny. Like, I believe he's that character. Like, if I met John Cena in real life, I would just assume he's Peacemaker. Absolutely. Because I believe every word that comes out of his mouth in that show.
00:52:45
Speaker
Yeah, he's but he's with the little he had to do in this movie. I thought he was great. One of my favorite visual moments of this movie is when he just fucking yanks do a leap off that bike. Mm hmm. And just it's so good. Just stops her right there. Fucking tracks.
00:53:03
Speaker
He doesn't even yanker. He just like closes his hand. Right. He stays there. The bike keeps going. Yeah. Um, Catherine O'Hara underused Ariana Depose underused John Cena underused Richard E. Grant like I don't know what he was doing in this movie. It feels this feels like a favor for a friend kind of a thing. Although Richard E. Grant strikes me as the kind of guy that if you call him and they're like, Hey, I love your work. Would you want to do this movie? He's like, I'm not doing anything. Yeah, sure. Why not? Like he just strikes me as that kind of guy. and Absolutely. And also Sofia Butella.
00:53:44
Speaker
Like, love her, think she's great. Loved her, actually really enjoyed her in the mummy. Like, she's one of those people who just, again, has not had a really great go of it in Hollywood, but is a really phenomenal, talented performer um who just doesn't often get a lot to do.
00:54:04
Speaker
Which is she is like one scene in this movie. Exactly. Just not enough. Like, it again, this feels like a favor for Matthew Vaughn. She was in The Kingsman. So like maybe maybe that's all it was, is she's just coming in to do a favor for him. But like, come on, man. Like, I don't want to I don't want to see the Rebel Moon movies, the Zack Snyder movies that she did this year and last. But like, maybe I'll have to because um she's she's probably in those a little more. But yeah.
00:54:32
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I don't really have any interest in those movies either and this is coming from someone who does not hate Zack Snyder.
00:54:42
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I liked her in Star Trek Beyond. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I liked her in Hotel Artemis. I didn't see that one. I have not seen Atomic Blonde yet but I'm sure she's great in that. I didn't see that one either.
00:54:59
Speaker
Um, but yeah, like she, uh, she'll, she'll show up and and I liked her in the mummy. Like I, I, again, the mummy, not a good movie, but I thought she was good in it. But yeah. we Still, I've not seen that either. Yeah. You're okay. You're fine. You're not missing all that much, honestly. You know that the dude, what made the invisible man, he's making the straight up wolf man, dude. I know. You seen the trailer to that? Of course.
00:55:29
Speaker
I didn't even know that was a thing. I went to see Y2K and the trailer was before that. And I was like, oh, damn. The Wolfman is my favorite Universal monster. So of course I knew that was coming. Oh, dude, did you what do you think of the trailer? Are you hyped for it? Are you psyched? I'm very excited. Yeah. ah Yeah, we've we've got a movie on the schedule to cover when it comes out. Nice. And I.
00:55:49
Speaker
hopeful Hopefully, we've got a guest for that episode. I'm going to have to do some scheduling here pretty soon, now that we're entering into the new year. so I'm going to have to get some people scheduled on the horn. so yep yup yell dude yeah but then and and Then Ben Daniels just showing up at the end, just as a little like cameo, like, hey, I'm a famous ah famous actor. I'm just doing this again. It kind of is a favor.
00:56:15
Speaker
kind of thing, but but that's more like, a hey, you're gonna see me in the next one because this is the the prequel hook, basically. We get a sequel hook and we get a prequel hook in this movie, both centered around a character played by Henry Cavill. Yeah. Yes.
00:56:35
Speaker
I don't even like, there's like so many things in this movie, like when he showed up at the the Q and&A at the end. I was just ah so many. That was terrible. Southern accent with a mullet that is ridiculous. I was baffled. um I don't know this. This movie is so weird and I love it because it really is just absurd and baffling through a lot of it. And that was kind of the perfect cherry on the top.
00:57:13
Speaker
at the end of the movie was after all those twists, like how much more fucking ridiculous and stupid can you get? right Oh.
00:57:25
Speaker
this right here, this is this is about how much more we can go before we have to completely roll the credits. Right. We got one more for you. We're going to top ourselves one more time. And the thing that really I find super bizarre about it is that he resembles a guy that she's only ever seen in her imagination, like in her mind, a man that does not exist, but she recognizes him immediately and he knows that she recognizes him immediately and that makes no fucking sense. It makes no sense and that's what makes it the perfect cap for this and that's why this feels like a bottle film to me. This doesn't feel like a franchise movie to me because they're doing a sequel hook and they're doing a prequel hook but the prequel hook
00:58:12
Speaker
with the with Henry Cavill is so fucking stupid. It doesn't make any sense that you're like, I don't even want to know where this goes. Like it's I'm it's really perfect. Perfect. Right here. This two and a half hours. This is all I need of this. And it's perfect. And see, I think that is this is all I need of this. And I never want to see this again. like That's kind of I come out on the other side of it. Like, is this the worst movie I've seen this year? No. Oh, no. No.
00:58:41
Speaker
But is it in the bottom? um Is it in the bottom five? Yes. Yes. I of five i don't like that. why okay right tu I don't like it. It is better than Madam Web, though. I do put it above Madam Web. I didn't. I liked Madam Web, too. It's just too bad it was a B movie that cost 80 million dollars. And then I put aip b movie I do put it. where It's right in between, I think, on my list, Madam Web and Speak No Evil, another movie I didn't really care for.
00:59:11
Speaker
I didn't see that. it's the yeah The James McAvoy horror movie about the the family that meets like a British family of the American family meets a British family on vacation and they go to stay with. um Yeah, I saw the trailer and like I saw the movie. but The concept seemed really intriguing, but just the stuff they showed in the trailers didn't seem like it was going to be something I enjoyed. I mean, if you saw the trailer, you saw the movie.
00:59:40
Speaker
that's but You can pretty much tell what the movie is by base based on looking at the trailer. Trailers are a necessary evil. In a lot of ways. like You gotta have them, but at the same time, there's so many movies that would benefit from not... Well, they wouldn't benefit marketing-wise, but experience-wise, they would benefit from not having trailers. Right. like that's I think that's one of the main reasons that I enjoyed this movie so much, is that I didn't know anything about it. And it's so much easier to...
01:00:09
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kind of get on board with a movie that you don't have any fucking expectations for. right and no and i can go to or bad Good or bad. I completely agree with you on that point. like the the The movie experiences that I have enjoyed the most over the past however many years um have been from going to a theater where there was a movie that I had just heard. The only thing I knew about it was that it's good.
01:00:36
Speaker
And I knew nothing else. Like, X has a movie coming out. I'm excited to see it. Let's go. Or, wow, I've been hearing a lot of good things about Y. Like, Barbarian was one of those. Like, everyone's just like, yeah don't see the trailer. Don't read any reviews. Just go see it. And so I was like, OK. And based on that alone, I went and saw the movie. And it fucking ruled. And I literally called my called my partner right after, as I was walking out the theater, and like, hey, you should go see Barbarian.
01:01:05
Speaker
i ah I saw Barbarian Blind as well in the way that I hadn't seen any trailers for it. The only thing I knew about it because that ah when Barbarian came about came out, Wise Kids You Know had started doing a lot of like podcasts and stuff on YouTube.
01:01:28
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and other platforms. So they were kind of back in
Spy Films: Substance vs. Spectacle
01:01:32
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my consciousness. So I knew that Zach Krager had written and directed it. And that's, I mean, that's all I needed to know. And that was a fantastic blind watch, especially at the movie theater. Holy shit. That was so good. and going into that movie blind look if you haven't seen barbarian don't look it up just go don't watch a trailer just go to HBO max and watch the mother don't even read the description just hit play correct
01:02:04
Speaker
And I mean, even even the movies that I've liked to most this year that I've seen are movies where I didn't know anything going in, like the substance, long legs. I saw the TV glow, all experiences that I had an incredible time with in the theater, movies I knew nothing about going in. I'm just like, well, I've heard good things. Let's go see this. And I was not disappointed.
01:02:29
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I think that's um what kind of hampered my enjoyment of I Saw the TV Glow, ah which is why I really need to sit down and watch it again, because I kind of know what to expect. So maybe I can sort of lean into it this time. But when I saw it, I had seen the trailer because, um you know, my girl from snail get snail mail is in the film, right?
01:02:58
Speaker
But she also does a ah cover of Tonight Tonight for the soundtrack. Hmm. And. My one of my favorite new bands of the last probably 15 years, Florist, they had a song on the soundtrack. Right. you You have mentioned many times your love of Florist on the podcast. Oh, gosh, I saw I tell you, I saw him live a couple of months ago, Stephen, at last month. you did It's a religious experience. That's what you said. but That is what you said. Just an existential breath of fresh air, a deep breath.
01:03:35
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ah
01:03:39
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Anyway. I have seen two concerts this year. The last time I saw a concert was like 2017 prior to this year. I don't usually go to like concert concerts. Like I'm more of a, like a local music scene kind of guy. It's just the last few places that I've lived. There hasn't been a local music scene. So I, I got nothing. I think Jimmy and I are going to go to the Mel again this year, go to the melody. And I think that's one of our new Christmas traditions is one is to, to go to a bar on Christmas night.
01:04:16
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which we did last year, and that was a lot of fun. I was going to say, you know, what you know, where you're going to. ah We went to um the dugout there. Oh, in Fountainsburg, Fletcher Place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just down from Tapper's. there No, I know. it Well, yeah, that's ah right by ah right by where I used to go to church, actually. Yeah. ah Jimmy played a show there once, and then we found out that it was open on Christmas. So me and him and his brother.
01:04:43
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And his brother's friend went out there and we had a really good time and there was a lot of people out there and it was just a, it was a pretty fun vibe. Um, but then also we went to the melody in last year and I, I told the story of how I ran into somebody I hadn't seen in like 15 years, which was wild. Somebody from the scene back in those days and from another band that I happened to know for back in those days. So I think we're going to make that a tradition too. I just don't know when we're going to, when we're going to go this year.
01:05:12
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And I also don't remember why I brought it up, but it doesn't matter. It's out there. I mean, we're talking about, you know, movie experiences going into movies without having seen them. You're talking I saw the TV glow, how you saw florist. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am excited to go to the mill. But yeah, I really do. I don't know. I think I just.
01:05:39
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I don't know, but I really need to watch. i so I saw the TV glow again because I don't, I don't want to be the weird one on that one. Yeah. Not a good one to be the weird one on. Well, it's not even, it's not even about that. It's just, there's so many things about that movie that should work for me. It's the cast is specifically, uh, the person that played.
01:06:07
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Uh, Bill's daughter and the most recent Bill and Ted, who is in, I saw the TV glow. I think they are really, really great. And I just want to watch everything that they're in. And I like justice Smith and like, there's like the soundtrack. There's so much about it. That is it's right up my alley.
01:06:29
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And I've been like um and unwittingly enjoying a lot of queer movies lately too. So like, I feel like it should be like right up my alley. Right. So I don't want to be the weird one on that one because I should enjoy it. So I want to enjoy it. I want to get what other people get out of it. I want you to get it too, because it was it was really, really fucking good. Yeah.
01:06:56
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Yeah, I but but again, like going into the movies into those movies in particular long legs substance and I saw the TV glow absolutely enhanced my experience on those movies. I didn't see a trailer for any of well I did see a trailer for the substance but who the hell knows what was going on in that trailer like I still don't like I have a I have a theory as to what that movie might be about.
01:07:20
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But dude just do yourself a favor and check it out. It is. oh You know, I have to because margo quality Margaret Qualley, Margaret Qualley is my gal. Yeah. And she's amazing. It's fantastic. Like, I cannot wait for all the rad shit she's going to do. Like, I'm watching that gal for sure. She might get an Oscar nomination this year for the substance, honestly, and I would not be upset about it. Yeah, she got a Golden Globe.
01:07:42
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No, I'm pretty sure. Now I gotta see, now I gotta see the substance. I need to see long legs too, because obviously Oz Perkins, but right I still don't, I don't know anything about that either. All I know is the title and that apparently Nicholas Cage is in it, but it's not like overly advertised that he's in it. I mean, that was like most of the advertising of the movie was like they hook put a heart monitor up to old girl. Like when she went into her first scene with him and they like recorded it and that was part of the marketing, but yeah.
01:08:12
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See, I know so little about this movie, Steven, that that felt like a spoiler. That's how little I know about Long Legs. That's fair. It's good. It's good. I will tell you, i i it I struggled with Long Legs, but at the end of that, I realized that I enjoyed it. Like it's one of those movies that I had to think about for like a week before I finally landed on whether or not I enjoyed it or not. Oh, I like those. Yeah.
01:08:42
Speaker
I like those because you don't you don't dislike it, but you're not sure if you do like it. It's one of those, yes this is a well-made movie. Objectively, this movie is well-made. Objectively, this movie has a lot going on. How do I feel about it? Which is, I mean, that's that's hereditary for me. like I will tell you, hereditary, objectively, is a well-made film. Do I like it? No, that is not a movie for me.
01:09:05
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Um, yeah I like Midsommar. I like that one, but I'm not a big fan of the other big Ari Aster movie. Um, so, uh, and I haven't, I haven't seen Bo is afraid yet. I was just about to say, I haven't seen Bo is afraid yet. Tucker is afraid. I am afraid to see that movie. I have a feeling I will, I have a feeling I will dig Bo is afraid. Bo is afraid feels like the kind of movie I will get a kick out of.
01:09:30
Speaker
And again, I know nothing about it. I have seen the poster. That is all I know about that movie is I have seen the poster. um But I have a feeling that's a movie I will I will probably enjoy. Well, I think you should probably see it first, Stephen. You when when let me know when you see it. I'm sure we'll cover it if we ever get back to doing. um Fuck a duck. If we ever get back to doing what are we watching? cause I'll probably talk about it on that. Oh, we're going to get back to it, Stephen.
01:10:00
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We already did TV. It's time to do movies. Oh, and I've got movie and I keep adding because I keep watching movies. I'm not going to stop watching movies. So. That's true. Speaking of movies, you know what movie I'm going to show to my sister and brother-in-law and nephew later this week? Argyle. Brigsby Bear. Oh, okay. You love your Kyle Mooney.
01:10:23
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I love my Kyle Mooney and I specifically love Breaks Be Bare. You do like Breaks Be Bare? Because it's such a fucked up concept with such an empathetic and relatable main character that goes through such a niche situation that he shouldn't be relatable. And it's probably one of the most fucked up wholesome movies I've ever seen in my life. It's both fucked up and wholesome as shit.
01:10:55
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And it's one of those movies like when the credits roll, you're just kind of smiling like, yeah, that I feel like. An hour and a half went by and my life is better because of it. It's a special. It's a special movie is what I'm saying. I will watch it because it is a future episode of Straight Up. That's true. I cannot wait to talk about that. Yo, you know, next month there's a straight up. And speaking of Joseph Kahn.
01:11:23
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That's all I'm gonna say. I know. Oh boy, am I excited. Tucker, I know. I cannot wait for you to see that movie, Steven. I want to get breaded on that one too. Might need to see see if I can get a guest as well. I might want to get Joe on that one. Okay. I was going to say, I don't know if we have anyone scheduled for that one or not. um Let me check the spreadsheet, but we don't, we don' don't know.
01:11:48
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But I have I might want to throw a guest on that. We've got time. A little bit of time. We've got a little time. Yeah. You know, Stephen, we didn't do the plot in 60, but honestly, as much as I loved this movie, I don't know if I could accurately recount the entire plot. And there were some times where I was like. And it kind of took me out of it for a millisecond. I'll be like, I'm having so much fun, but I don't know what's going on. I'm having so much fun.
01:12:15
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like I have Jimmy as our guest. What's happening? Is was Jimmy going to be our guest for body? I have Jimmy written on the schedule. Oh, oh, because well, the thing is, is because we had thought that he was going to release his record by then. Oh, I don't think that's going to happen till spring. I'll talk to him. He's in town. I will see him in the next few days. I'll see him tomorrow night. I will see him. You mean tonight? Because it's Christmas for you. I haven't went to sleep yet, so tomorrow night. OK.
01:12:47
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I will. I will see him and I'll mention it to him. See, see if he's got an ETA on that. Like I just I want to get him on. It doesn't matter what the episode is, honestly. I just want to get him on when that record pencil him in for Frank Miller is the spirit. Whatever. I'm sure he'd be down.
01:13:09
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um But yeah, Argyle, I mean, look, I wanted to like it. It's one of those things like I i wanted that I wanted everyone to be wrong about this movie. um But in the end, it's it's a bloated, stagnant mess in my mind. Like I just don't. I'm glad that you like it, but it just it it was not hitting for me. Well, and see, it was the opposite for me because I like just I hadn't heard anything about this movie.
01:13:40
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except that it bombed and nobody fucking liked it. So like the only expectation I had going into it was that like, you know, sometimes I like bad movies. Sometimes I don't. This doesn't really seem like one that I would be into. And honestly, when I think of all of the parts that make up this movie, none of it is really what I would normally enjoy. And I think that might also add to my enjoyment of it because it's not a genre that I have a lot of stake in. Sure. You know, I don't give a fuck about it James Bond. I don't give a shit. I don't care. I don't care about no motherfucking spy movie. So maybe I can take it a little less seriously and have a little more fun with it. Yeah.
01:14:33
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Um, whereas, and again, like the first thing they do in this movie is disparage John le Carré, who is my spy guy. Like, we're gonna cover Tinker Taylor Soldier spy later this year. And that is my favorite spy movie. Really? Yes, I fucking love that movie.
01:14:52
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Um, do what I like the title. That's a catchy title. I'll tell you what. Yeah. But it's based on a Jean le Carre novel. Um, I've read a couple of Jean le Carre novels. I like his stuff. I've read a couple of the smiley novels and I like them. Um, like that is my, but like the over the top.
01:15:10
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action bond spy shit is not really my cup of tea. but I like the clandestine looks across darkened rooms, back alley deals, you know, who do you trust, no one kind of stuff. I love that shit where every moment feels like danger. That's that's the spy shit I love.
01:15:28
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um And I think Taker Taylor Soldier Spy is a lot more, you know, guys in offices and, you know, back rooms and trying to learn Russian during the Cold War kind of shit that I really dig versus something like this, which is just it's it's all bombast. It's all spectacle. And I I want I want a little more substance to my spy work personally. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just not that invested in the genre, honestly.
01:15:59
Speaker
Um, and this for me, yeah, it was a spy movie at its core and it had a lot of twists and turns, but I think it also leaned really heavily into the action set pieces in a way that most spy movies don't typically do. So it felt, it felt like a spy movie parody with a lot of unique twists, but.
01:16:29
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the action of it all was more like a blockbuster blockbuster action movie. Right. Really well done for my money. Really well done. The action scenes. But ah i I'd be curious to know how you feel about the Kingsman films. Honestly, I, you know, I've enjoyed the trailers of those and I know everybody loves those fucking movies. So maybe I should look at them. I just never I'm not interested in the genre. Steve, that's what I'm saying. I got no stake in that. I don't give a fuck about a spy movies. Yeah.
01:16:57
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Like the ones I've seen are fine, whatever. Like I don't hate spy movies. I just don't give a fuck about it at all. I was saying just more from like an action standpoint.
Exploring Streaming Content and Discoveries
01:17:05
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I'm curious. Like I never, I never would have watched this movie if we hadn't watched it for the podcast. Well, you're welcome. Never. You've earned a million fucking years. I thanked you at the beginning of this episode. You did. For including it.
01:17:18
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for making me watch. I was gonna say you did not seem so excited the other night when you were when when I had that I can resubscribe to Apple TV plus before severance premiere a month early but take I mean so you a you get to watch Argyle as many times you want be you get to watch the Jake Gyllenhaal presumed innocent show. Do I like that? It's it's it's good.
01:17:44
Speaker
OK, I'll put did I put it on my list I don't know if you did not. I did talk about it on the most recent. What are we watching? I hadn't finished. it I finished it earlier today and it's good. um You can also watch rewatch Shmigadoon as many times as you want, because that's that's where Shmigadoon lives. That's true. a Presumed innocence. Presumed. Jake Gyllenhaal, Peter Sarsgaard, Ruth Nega,
01:18:11
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um Don't tell me anything else about it. Bill Camp, Elizabeth Marvel, just fucking amazing cast in this movie. I was randomly going through IMDB last night. I don't remember what thread I was following, but I saw a movie. um I happened upon a movie called I Still See You, and the description said, after an apocalyptic event on Earth,
01:18:39
Speaker
The world is inhabited by ghosts. And I was like, I don't care how bad this movie is. It could be the worst movie I've ever seen. I have to see that executed. I have to see that idea executed. Tucker, I have good news for you. What? One of the two writers on I Still See You wrote Argyle.
01:19:06
Speaker
That's how I got to it. That's why it's on my list. Yeah. Yes. Oh, I don't know if it's going to be good, if it's go if it's going to be a hidden gym or if it's going to be just a pile of garbage, but I'm interested in that concept and I have to see the only actors in this movie that I have heard of are Bella Thorne and Dermot Mulroney. Yeah, those guys, which does not inspire a lot of confidence, but, you know,
01:19:34
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We'll see. What's the IMDB rating on it? The IMDB rating is.
01:19:42
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A 5.8. That could go either way. Yeah, um somebody like me that could go either way, Stephen. I let me let me see what the. um Let me see what the the what do you call letterbox rating is? Letterbox rating.
01:20:02
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probably Probably very similar vein for you, a 2.6. That could go either way, yeah. like Look, I like a lot of really good movies. I do. I appreciate fine art in cinema.
01:20:19
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But boy, I do appreciate some trash. I tell you, you do love you some bullshit sometimes. I will appreciate the fuck out of some old bullshit. You do love you
Argyle's Box Office Journey and Future Prospects
01:20:28
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some bullshit. Speaking of bullshit, Argyle opened on.
01:20:34
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February 2nd, 2024, earlier this year, it opened at number one to a underwhelming $17.5 million dollars on its way to 45.2 domestic. Throw in another 51 international. You've got a $96 million dollars worldwide gross on a production budget of, you ready for it, Tucker? I don't want. $200 million. Oh, I mean, it shows.
01:21:04
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It's all right up on the screen, isn't it? It really is. Like I was talking about the bad CGI before, but there's a lot of really good practical stuff in this that there's a lot of location stuff that looks just really expensive. So like when I say it shows, I mean like a lot of this movie does look really expensive.
01:21:23
Speaker
So, yeah, this movie, um this movie made less than half of its budget back. um That's a shame. And that's, again, without the added, you know, the movie's got to make like two and a half times its production budget to break even thing. um It was supposed to have um it was supposed to be the first of a franchise of at least three films. um What was confirmed in March 2022, that there would be two sequels.
01:21:54
Speaker
Um. The second film would be a prequel, the first Argyle novel exploring the origins of Argyle becoming a spy. The third movie would follow additional installments. Wait, did the people who were talking about that, did they see this movie, though? Because what? Why would you? That's Matthew Vaughn. why That's Matthew Vaughn, the director of this movie saying those things. why But how are you going to do a prequel about?
01:22:20
Speaker
because then you learn in this book, did he watch this movie that he had made? Did he read the script that he had written? That's why, look, i'm look I had a lot, of i like I said, this is the most fun I've had with the movie this year, but I'm glad there's not a sequel because, and maybe that's why this works so much for me because maybe it works on accident. Maybe it is earnest. Maybe they accidentally made something good.
01:22:48
Speaker
It's all starting to come together now. It's all starting to make sense. OK, yeah, no, I totally get why I like this. But then they were they were also going to do a shared universe with the Kingsmen and another franchise that is um unnamed, um that would, you know, basically build on each other for a giant crossover, like moving forward. ah When the movie went to streaming and did pretty decent numbers on Apple TV plus, Matthew Vaughn was still doing well. Like excited, like, hey, maybe, you know, maybe it it does well enough to where we're going to get, you know, the sequels do. No, you made half your budget. It's not going to happen. I'm I'm really glad, though, like, I'm glad that this is a self contained story because none of that sounds appealing to me. And that, like I said, that's it's starting to make more sense maybe as to why I like this movie, because it's the opposite of a bad movie made in earnest. yeah
01:23:42
Speaker
Like it's it's the complete opposite of it somehow. Wow. Argyle opens at number one, number two in its fourth weekend and release um is we hang on a second. Let me refresh this chart, actually, because it shows me that's at number three. It doesn't actually. OK, I don't like what the numbers is doing right now, so I'm going to head over to box office mojo real quick.
01:24:13
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which is usually not what I like to do, but like the numbers sometimes you got to do it. The numbers isn't giving me a number two for that weekend. And I don't like that. So I want to check the actual um here we go. February 2nd.
01:24:33
Speaker
Okay, here we go. um So number one at the box office was Argyle. As we mentioned, number two at the box office is The Chosen, ah which was a Fathom event. It's like a TV show. It's like The Chosen season four episodes one through three. That doesn't count. Fuck off. I think which is probably why ah the The numbers didn't have it. It looks like I'm guessing. It's a yeah, it's a Jesus thing. um it's It's a show. ah So yeah, that's that's why they released it in theaters. Number three is The Beekeeper down from number two the week before in its fourth week of release. Number four is Wonka.
01:25:15
Speaker
that Timothy Chalamet movie that made over $200 million. dollars Oh, yeah. It was so everybody really liked it. It was for and then nobody remembers. Right. its It was the Paddington guy did it. So maybe we'll see a sequel to Wonka. Maybe we won't. I don't know. You know, a third Paddington is coming. I i do know that it's not directed by the same guy. So everyone's really worried that it might not be very good. Or maybe after seeing Wonka, they're really excited that it's not directed by him.
01:25:44
Speaker
Because maybe they're like, he's lost his touch. He can't do a Paddington. um In fifth place, migration. ah It's a movie about the birds ah flying south, migrating. Cool. Rounding out the top 10, we have the aforementioned Mean Girls, which went from one to six in the span of a week. I believe it. Yikes. Anyone but you, the Sydney Sweeney movie that apparently starts with like a long pan into a man like like looking down the barrel of a man's erethra.
01:26:16
Speaker
Nice. In eighth place, my partner's favorite movie of last year, American Fiction. Well, I like that movie, too. It was good. I liked that a lot. A good movie. I really like it. Yeah, I like good movies. Poor things. Also good. See, I don't even mind seeing that. I'm not i'm interested in that shit. i mean that guy That guy's not quite Lars van von Trier. but likes It does have your girl Margaret Qualley in it, though.
01:26:42
Speaker
I know, dude, and Gerard Carmichael, dude. I love that. You do. Fuck. And then know rounding out the top 10, you've got Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, the sequel to Aquaman. Didn't even see it. I don't give a fuck. Same.
01:26:57
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um In the Tomatometer score is a 33%. Critics Consensus Argyle gets some mileage out of its silly energetic spin on the spy thriller, but ultimately wears out its welcome with a convoluted plot and over long runtime. ah The Metascore is a 35 based on generally unfavorable reviews from 56 critics. Tucker, care to take a stab at the Letterbox score.
01:27:26
Speaker
Between a 2.8 and a 3.2. It's a 2.3. Fuck a duck. Wow. That's wow. We've offended the meme reviewers. Yeah. I guess. I wonder if any of the good reviews are like sincere. ah Here's one of my favorite reviews. Minus one star because Henry Cavill and John Cena did not kiss.
01:27:56
Speaker
I mean, yeah, they should that that would have been really good. Like when Sam Rockwell and Bryce Dallas Howard finally kiss at that moment to just really in the way that Marvel undercuts an emotional moment, just to do that same thing to just cut to Henry Cavill and John Cena kissing, but still somehow hold on to that emotion? The problem is it's Matthew Vaughn, so that's never going to happen. The Kingsman movies have a very kind of homophobic bend to them. Oh, that's still fun. um Argyle, there's ah his a review. Dua was like, I'm not here for long. Catch me or I go Houdini.
01:28:41
Speaker
ah is a ah five-star review for this film. I thought she was great. She was really good, though. I didn't know she was an actor at all, but I think she... She's done two movies. It's literally this and Barbie, like, are the only two films that she's done. Oh, yeah, she was in that. ah Someone said, Loki better than I thought it'd be.
01:29:05
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Uh, he better than I thought it'd be. Uh, someone, another five star review. This movie was a roller coaster. First half was nims Island on steroids. The other half was just a fever dream. Lots of laugh. Yeah. Lots of laughs. Literally L I T T E R L o Y. Love this movie.
01:29:22
Speaker
Girl, yeah, I feel that. I don't know if that's a cat pun just because there's a cat in this movie. Here's another five star review. Was it a bad film? Yes. Did I love it? Yes. It managed to hit my specific interest in spies and
End of Episode Reflections and Future Plans
01:29:34
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fiction. ah Shout out to me saying to my mom, I cannot shake it out of my head that that actress looks like Dua Lipa. And my mom saying that is because it is Dua Lipa. That is in fact.
01:29:46
Speaker
Dulepa. All right. So there you go. There's some some of the five star reviews and most of them seem relatively sincere. um yeah But that um of that is our episode.
01:29:59
Speaker
on 2024's Argyle. And that is the 2024 year for the disenfranchised podcast. We've lived, we've learned, we've laughed, and we've loved. And at the end of the day, we're taking next week off. So no ah no new episode next week. It is our one bi-week that we allow ourselves annually. ah So there will be nothing from us. But after that,
01:30:22
Speaker
We're gonna hit the ground running. Hopefully, we're gonna have a guest on that episode. I need to talk to her otherwise. If we're not, then I'm just gonna post some bullshit. um Which is to say, I'm just gonna, you know, pick a random movie from the list that we haven't covered yet. And we're gonna cover it. So yeah, we should you know what we know that doesn't for the format I was gonna say because of new year, the new year, we should do 200 cigarettes, but Because I know that's my New Year's movie. Do you have a New Year's movie, Steven? Yes, I do. It's called Gremlins 2, The New Batch. That's fair. um And that's one along with Ghostbusters 2 that I would probably watch if if I have the time. But I always make sure to watch 200 Cigarettes. You seen it? You've seen this? You heard about this, Steven? I've heard about it. I've not seen it. Fantastic. One of MTV Films finest creations outside of Poudy Tang.
01:31:19
Speaker
Let me just ask you this, and this will affect my enjoyment of the movie. Is there ah an accounting for all 200 cigarettes? I think so. Because if there's if there's not, I'm not interested. that that Do yourself a favor and look at the cast right now. OK. Here we go. I'm going to read them out in. i know Look, I know you're trying to do the socials and everything, but I need you to look at this cast and realize why you need to see this movie. I'm going to do this in alphabetical order as listed on IMDb.
01:31:49
Speaker
Fantastic. Ben Affleck. There you go. Casey Affleck. Mm hmm. Dave Chappelle. Fuck yeah. Elvis Costello. Yeah. Here Mo Diaz. Janine Garofalo. Dude. Yeah. Gabby Hoffman. Fuck yes. Kate Hudson. Yeah. Courtney Love. Jay Moore. Nicole Ari Parker. Mm hmm. Martha Plimpton. Fuck yes. Christina Ricci.
01:32:18
Speaker
Yes, dude. Paul Rudd. Yes. Yes. Oh, my God, it's so good. It's it's the perfect kind of um late 90s sort of slice of life art house comedy. The sideburns on Paul Rudd, too. Yes. What the hell's that going on there? Yes.
01:32:45
Speaker
It's it's a really sweet movie. I like it a lot. It's ah yeah. Check it out. You know what? If you don't have anything to watch on New Year's Day, watch 200 cigarettes. Because it's real fucking good. The problem with it is is it's one of those movies that isn't streaming. So you have to buy it on physical media. That's the problem with that one that is problem.
01:33:09
Speaker
But if anybody wants to borrow my Blu-ray just, you know, email us at disenfranchpod at gmail dot.com and send me your address and I'll ship it to you. And, but you have to pay for the shipping back though. Like I'll pay for the shipping to you, but you pay for it to come back. So we just kind of equally pay on that, but I'll let you borrow it. That's a lot more trust than I would put in anybody, but yeah. I'm, I just want people to see 200 cigarettes. If I have to buy it on Blu-ray again, so be it. Yeah.
01:33:39
Speaker
yeah Spread the love, Steven. Spread the love. on cir Keep circulating the tapes. Keep circulating the tapes. ah This has been disenfranchised. but Hey, why don't you just follow us on our social medias? We're on Blue Sky, Facebook, Instagram, Letterboxd, and YouTube at DisenfranchPod. Email us. Any of your thoughts, requests, whatever you want ah at DisenfranchPod at gmail dot.com.
01:34:07
Speaker
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01:34:57
Speaker
um And then, hey, I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy. You can find me on ah Blue Sky Instagram letterbox. That's ah about it at Chewy Walrus. ah You can find the absent Brett Wright. Last time we saw him, he went on a a mission, ah was supposed to meet a hacker, and we've not heard from him since. um But we are watching his social medias closely, sus underscore warlock.
01:35:21
Speaker
On Instagram and letterboxed and sus warlock on blue sky Brett hurry home. We miss you Tucker. Where can we find you these days? As per you you can find me on the instagrams at ice 909 that's I see in I in e the number zero and the number nine I can also be found on YouTube under the same moniker Also, on Instagrams, we have the tuck mugs, tuck underscore mugs. And ah I'll tell you what, Steven, there was a drought there for a while. Mm hmm. But now, like in the last week, there's been like two whole ass posts, dude. And I hear that there's going to be another one real soon. Like by the time this episode drops, my understanding is that there will be another mug. So hey, that's what I've heard. That is that is the impression that I get. Yeah.
01:36:15
Speaker
Indeed. And I may know something about that, and that mug may feature something I'm going to show you right now. Show me right now. Well, you're not going to tell me what it is. Holy fuck. Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's going to be in there. I used to have the Furby version. Oh, yeah. Because they had Furbies and then they made a Furby. I'm not going to leave it because I'm not going to have to very much time to edit this episode. Right. But that guy right there, yeah they had a Furby version. of They kind of had to. yeah I mean, it that feels like a no brainer to me.
01:36:45
Speaker
And I didn't give a fuck about a Furby, but like when that was announced, I was like, yeah, I want that. I will. I will have to to tell you at or show you at the end of this episode the noise that it makes. But yeah. um Yeah, but tuck mugs. Check it out. Dude, yeah. um Also, I am currently in ah the motherland. I have ventured from my home. You are. And gone back to the place of my my birth and childhood.
01:37:12
Speaker
to be with ah me, Familia, as is said. And um so why did I bring that up? What the fuck are we talking about, Steven? We're wrapping up the episode. Oh, yeah. So I'm here at my sister's house and she has a lot of really cool mugs. So I think I know last year I did a couple of her mugs. It took me a couple of months to get it together and everything, but.
01:37:41
Speaker
I mean, at least it's, I can get a few picks and stuff of some good mugs here and add that to Tuck mugs. I'm saying like the beginning of the year is usually a very, uh, a post heavy time for Tuck mugs. It's usually the summer and fall and suffers. Yeah. Whereas the, the deep winter and the spring flourish with posts from Tuck underscore mugs.
01:38:10
Speaker
Tuckmunks out. And that is our final episode of 2024. Thank you guys so much for being a part of this podcast, for listening to this insane thing that we do on a regular basis, for allowing us to do it on a regular basis. um We appreciate you. We would not do this without you. So thank you guys so much for listening. um And we've got some fun stuff planned for 2025. If I do say so myself, as the guy who generally plans out the direction of the podcast by and large, there's some really fun stuff. I will say, as of as as the schedule sits right now, two theme months before the halfway point. um So that's pretty fun. um A shorter month next, a shorter month next month because of the bye week, but it's gonna be a fun time. We've got a straight up coming. It's gonna be fun. We got a lot of stuff coming up and I'm excited to share it all with you. But until then,
01:39:05
Speaker
We're going to take a little break. We're going to celebrate the holidays, because as of right now, we haven't celebrated Christmas yet. So we're going to do that. um And we're going to celebrate New Year's. And then we're going to come back in the new year ah refreshed and raring to go. ah So this has been the final 2024 episode of the disenfranchised podcast.
01:39:28
Speaker
For my co-host Tucker, for the absent Brett Wright, I'm your host, Steven Foxworthy. And until next time, don't forget the disenfranchised motto, regret for time wasted is wasting more time, which is kind of what we're best at. Peace out.