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212 - Madame Web (2024)
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“His name is Ezekiel Sims. He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders just before she died.”
Her web truly does connect us all as the whole gang gets together to discuss this year’s first Sony Spider-Man-less Spider-Man film in anticipation of Kraven the Hunter opening in theaters this weekend! Along the way, we chat about the current state of superhero and comic book movies, the futility of Spider-Man movies without an actual Spider-Man, the Morgan Freeman battle in South Park: The Fractured-But-Whole, Spider-Man video games, and the joy of researching spiders in the Amazon with your mom!
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Transcript
The Wealth and Responsibility of Film Franchises
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franchise right alone will make us rich beyond our wildest dream When you take great responsibility, great power will come. And then sometimes this movie happens.
Welcome to the Disenfranchised Podcast
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Hey, it's the disenfranchised podcast. We're that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves, full fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. I am your host, Steven Foxworthy. And joining me as always, the man who was in the Amazon with your mom when she was researching spiders right before she died, it's Tucker. Hey Tucker. Oh, that was kind of rad until you said, and then she died.
Meet the Hosts: Steven, Tucker, and Brett
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I mean, it's part of the line. No, it's like, oh, he's in the Amazon with your mother. ah Yeah, like you're like you're in elementary school, like making fun of your mom. Yeah, I was ah in the Amazon. where Where were you? I was in the Amazon with your mother.
00:01:19
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how do you it the you believe I was in the Amazon with your mom. o My mom's never been outside the United States. Oh, that's tragic. So how's it going, Steven? It's going, Tucker, about yourself. Pretty all right. Pretty okay. And also joining us, proof that her web really does connect us all. It brings back our good friend, Brett Wright. Brett, how we doing today, sir? Hello, Steven.
00:01:50
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There it is. There it is. Just use it to my ears. and Look, the holidays are a busy time. They are, for us all. But we have her web to connect us all, and it brought it it brought you back to us. Uh-huh, sure. And we could not be more grateful. Yeah, for sure. You you could probably be more grateful, but we could not. I appreciate that. Thank you. I'm saying it's good to see you, Brett. It's it's what we're saying. Thanks. It's good to be seen.
00:02:21
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It, it, it, we see. See you. All right. See you, Brett. I perceive you. Yeah, I feel seen. And so you are.
Sony's Persistent Film Releases: Craven the Hunter & Madam Web
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um But we have gathered together today in because look, guys, Sony just won't stop.
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ah They're coming out with Craven the Hunter. ah No one asked for it. In fact, some of some people actively rallied against it, and yet they will not be deterred. Craven the Hunter in theaters this weekend, and so to celebrate, we are covering, well, God, about the only movie we possibly could in this circumstance. ah Brett, what are we talking today?
00:03:03
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Well, I mean, it knocks out two, two of our things, right? We always end the year. Well, I mean, this isn't our year end episode, but we've we've got another one for the year end, but yeah, it's, you know, uh, failed franchise starter from this year. Uh, Madam web.
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From 2024, Madam Web, but directed by S.J. Clarkson, ah screenplay by Clarkson and Matt Sazama, Burke Sharpless. Speaking of Sharpless, this script ohh and Claire Parker ah with story by Kareem Sangha, Matt Sazama and Burke Sharpless.
00:03:40
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That's too many screenwriters for one movie, if you ask me.
Madam Web: A High-Budget Flop
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And starring Dakota Johnson, Sidney Sweeney, Isabella Merced, Celeste O'Connor, Tahar Rahim, Mike Epps, the great Mike Epps, slummin' it in this movie. Speaking of people slummin' it in this movie, we also have Emma Roberts, Adam Scott, and Zosia Mamet, just slummin' it in this movie. We've also got Carrie Biche,
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and Jose Maria Iaz Pique. What a cast, gentlemen. Oh, what a picture. What a cast. would it What a neat little ABC family TV movie. This was a TV movie, right? This wasn't, this was a neat little TV movie. Tucker, this- What? $80 million? $80 million? What? Yes. What? Oh, that's just the net. We're talking a gross budget of a hundred million, sir.
00:04:37
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For this? For this. Oh, it's a neat little movie. That's too bad they spent so much money on it. And I have to imagine so much of that as reshoots. Oh, no. Because everything Ezekiel Simms says in this movie is 80 yard in later. God, it's the worst. Every time he talks, it's either the back of his head or from a distance. And his lips do not match what he is saying. Like it is. It's the worst I've ever seen.
00:05:08
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where the character on screen is speaking the same language as the person doing the ADR. The only time it's been worse is when you're watching like a Giallo film or something, but that's dubbed anyway. So like, you can't get really better than that. Yeah. I mean, that that explains why his motives in this movie makes zero sense. They really, I mean, oh my God. If you think about it for just a second, they fall apart. They just crumble like this.
00:05:35
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the Luckily, I wasn't thinking during this movie. I mean, that's a good idea. don't not You should i you should shut your brain off when you're watching this
Infamous Films: Madam Web Goes Viral
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movie. Otherwise, it's probably the way this movie made as much money as it did is just a lot of people shutting their brains off. Well, I think also it it as much as I loathe saying this about things anymore, but it went viral for how bad it was. ah But not in the way that Morbius did.
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We like Morbius was so bad. It's good viral. And the Madam Web was just so bad. It's really bad. And you should laugh about it. Go watch this movie to know how bad it is. um Or don't just take our word for it. I'm going to disagree with you slightly there, Brett, um because before you had said that this is worse than Morbius. Oh, it is. I couldn't get through 20 minutes of Morbius. I couldn't. It was just so horrendous.
00:06:34
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but this was kind of fun you guys it was kind of i kind of liked it a little bit we're we're coming in on the tucker scale of like really shitty movie that he actually likes kind of yeah i didn't want to like it but it kind of grew on me and after about the first half hour is like okay I think all right I guess I gotta to like this movie I'm gonna have fun with it so this is your kind of bullshit is basically what you're saying no no well and it it kind of is because there's there's some like the editing is terrible and the ADR is terrible and And the cinematography, the cinematography? Oh, my God, there is there is no cohesive language to this movie. Like, I guess it's all in English, but like a cinematic language is all over the fucking place. I like how here's what I liked is there was a much bigger story here, but because of all of the meddling that is very apparent in this film.
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They just kind of took the simple idea of it and just moved from situation to situation. It's like, OK, the girls are here. She gets there, figures it out, stops it. They move to a different place. That happens again. and then They move to a different place. And that happens again. And I was having fun with that. I was enjoying like the scenarios and like, I don't know, it was really dumb, but it was just just dumb enough to to really kind of interest me a little bit. Now, I'm not saying this is a great film.
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And there are a lot of problems with it, but I was thoroughly entertained by about 60% of this movie. You know, you know how when George Lucas and Steven Spielberg sat down to make Raiders of the Lost Ark, they were like, let's make a movie with like, none of the bad shit with like, like no bad scenes, all all killer, no filler, no chappa. This movie is the exact opposite of that is what if we made a movie with all the shit you do not care about?
00:08:38
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What if we made a movie where it's just, it's a superhero movie, but they don't actually fight or dress up in costumes. They just talk to each other the whole time. Except for little flashes in like a five minute scene of his dream sequence. It makes sense though, because this is a prequel to a Netflix series. That's what this is. A Netflix series is that no one wants to see because this sucks. I would watch it. You're the one.
00:09:06
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That's what I'm saying. I think, I think it's so disappointing about this movie is not that it's terrible. And you could argue that it is, it but it's.
The Complexity and Budget of Madam Web
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There's no argument. It's terrible. That the quality, its level of quality is where it is. And they spent that much money on it. That's probably my biggest grievance with this film outside of the action scenes where it looks like it's shot for a reality show. Cause it's, it's move zoom.
00:09:34
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move, zoom out, move, zoom. That was very irritating. a Very irritating. A lot of things I don't like about this movie, but overall, well, it's kind of all right. That's fun. Like what is over? I was like, we do just do a couple more of those little vignettes where like they're doing something and she sees it and has to figure it out. Let's do that a couple more times. Nah, dude, that you're you're on your own on this one, man. We're not coming. we get I where you're going, I cannot follow.
00:10:03
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No, I'm very, I'm very interested in this conversation that we're going to have because I i can't be moved, but I'm also probably going to agree with 90% of what you guys say about. And that's what's going to make it so frustrating is you're going to be like, yeah, I know, but wasn't it cool, though? And we're like, no, no, it fucking wasn't. It would be like, but but it was, though. But. like wait
00:10:29
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Yeah, this is this is kind of become a Tucker episode. Yeah, I this very evidently. but Do you remember in Dumb Endeavor when they reunite and and he's like, like, I can't believe you would straight up do this and like total arity of yourself like that.
00:10:52
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Just when I think you can't get any dumber, you go and do something like this, and totally redeem yourself. that's like every five minutes of this movie i'm like oh but ah what the oh wow that's actually good No. See, at no point did I stop and say, oh, my, that's actually pretty cool. I just kept going, God, and we're somehow getting even dumber. I think it's it's ah it distracts you with its dumbness. It doesn't mean because there's so many things that I'm not sure about, but I like them. Like for for example, the lead actress, ah Dakota, what's her name? Dakota Johnson, Dakota Johnson. Yes. Oh, that's that Fifty Shades gal in it.
00:11:33
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Yeah, daughter of Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith. Oh, yeah. Don Johnson like that guy. um Anyway, um like, I don't know if she was perfect for the part or the worst possible choice because her performance is so. Weird. Mm hmm. So weird. And everybody else gives kind of a standard performance.
00:12:01
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And no, nobody does poorly. Everybody does. They say the lines best they can, you know, with some of the horrible fucking dialogue. whos getting This is not Oscar caliber dialogue. but with te johnson i I can't figure it out. I can't figure out if she's nailing it.
00:12:19
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or she hates being in the movie. But either way, it works for me. Based on the interviews she gave after the movie ah was made and she was promoting it, I think I have an idea as to how she felt about being in this movie. And it was not good. Either way, it works for me. And I got to tell you guys this, there is no non-venom Sony Spider-Man movie that That's any good I agree that I have any interest in had no interest in Morbius I had no interest in this I have no interest in Craven until I saw Madame web today I Felt the same way about it as I do Craven, which is why? Why is this being released? I'm calling it right now future episode of this podcast Craven the hunter. I'm calling it. I ends up surprising me and I like it because I'm kind of mad that I like this movie. I'm just... They're just steamrolling. At this point, they're on roll. like It started with Morbius and they're just going to keep chunking these out and they're going to get worse and worse.
00:13:30
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And I can't find myself to care. Me being a big Spider-Man fan, I can't bring myself to care because there's no Spider-Man in these movies. There's like a sort of like hint, like a little whisper of a promise that they might meet Spider-Man later. Spider-Man is in this movie. No, he's not. Peter Parker makes an appearance as an infant. No, it's not. Yes, he does. Does he not?
00:13:54
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No, that's what they're doing.
Comic Deviations and Coherence Issues
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That's not me. They're doing it. I'm not doing it. That's what they're that's what they're trying to do. I would say it's not me. They're not doing it because legally they can't do it. That's true. I'm just saying it's done in the film. There's something that's done in the film. Emma Roberts is is in here for some some reason or some fucking reason. I saw she shows up in this movie. I'm like, Emma, no. What?
00:14:23
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Emma, what are you doing? No. and like like Seriously, it's it's her, it's Mike Epps, it's Adam Scott, it's Zozia Mamet. I'm looking at the four of them and I'm going, you're better than this, though. You know that, right? like You're absolutely better than this. Dudes, yeah.
00:14:42
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Yeah, dude. And Sydney Sweeney, at least, actually is a Spider-Woman fan, apparently. She really demanded they do that scene of her hanging upside down, that iconic Spider-Woman pose. I think the costumes look good. She demanded they do that shot. For the 20 seconds you see them, I agree. Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:00
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Yeah, that's what's frustrating is you get a 20 second to a minute like tease of something that was probably supposed to be in a sequel, you know, we see them in costume in the next one. I would say it was probably supposed to be the climax of this movie.
00:15:16
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and And reshoots and re-edits and a whole bunch of other shit made them decide to put it as a dream sequence I can't imagine what we know as we've been doing this for as many years as we have right I'm not entirely sure I feel like especially with how Sony does things but that was just supposed to be a tease for a sequel Sony they They're, they're the mind bogglingness of their decisions, I think is rivaled only by Warner Brothers at this point. ah Because and yeah say what you will about Sony, at least they didn't, you know, shove this one for a tax break, right? Like they actually released this piece of shit in theaters and said, Hey, watch, watch what we did. Do you like this character? Hope not, because we kind of ruined her. He tried.
00:16:06
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An effort was made, not much of one. Let me, let me go out a bit of the nerd rant real quick. Like, cause it's not even, it's not even either. It's like a combination of the two versions of Madam Web from the comics. It's like, she becomes old Madam Web at the end of the movie, but she's not actually old. Right. And she, and she's pretty much the modern day Madam Web through most of the rest of the movie. But like.
00:16:35
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But she's not but they're not there's nothing alike at all. i like the the The powers don't match up. Do you mean her mother wasn't in the Amazon researching spiders right before she died? No, I mean, look, to be honest, I don't know a whole lot about the modern day, Madam Web, but I can tell you for sure the old one wasn't. I know the old one exclusively through the cartoon.
00:17:02
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She was like i on the level of like an Agatha Harkness in the comics where she's like a mentor to the spider people. And I mean, yeah, she is like, you know, she holds the threads of the cosmic web together and all of this various spider men across the spider verse, you know, commune with her when they need to and she guides them and whatnot. And that's where the similarities end to this to her in the comics and her in this movie.
00:17:31
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um I don't know what they were trying to do. I don't think they know what they were trying to do, Brad. I don't think so either. Do you guys remember when the main character of this movie just left the girls she was protecting for a week and went to South America and jumped in a lake and then she could control her powers?
00:17:57
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Remember when the movie just stopped? huh So that she could do that. So that we could fulfill the promise of the guy who's like, she will come back. And when she does, I will be here. That's a whole episode. How did they not make this a Netflix series? They got the Marvel Netflix series guy to direct it. Just make it a Netflix series. This would have been fine as a Netflix series.
00:18:21
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that's too I mean it's too I don't want to say confusing but it's definitely like how could they have done that and not stepped on you know, regular MCU toes and pissed off them. Right? Because they're already walking the line of pissing them off, like, and on the edge. um So I mean, yeah, making it a series probably wouldn't have been a good idea. no And I don't think Sony would have wanted to compete with the shit that Marvel's putting out in the air.
00:18:54
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their films. her Her going back there was had I not been with my dad seeing the movie is probably where I would have walked out. When when they hit us with the fucking back in a week with great power comes great responsibility line.
00:19:10
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but like changed so like you get the reference but it's not actually the reference like you get it like nudge nudge they flip it though because she'll get her power when she becomes responsive fucking stupid that is i think the most damning thing about this about these continued spider-man films is they have to come up with new ways of saying the great power great responsibility line they have to like tweak it and do they though they feel like they do they think they need to but i like we see we see one in we see one in Civil War when like Peters trying to explain to Tony Stark like why he does what he does and it's just like he hasn't figured it out yet he hasn't like it's not cohesive then you get it again in no way home
00:20:00
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Again, Aunt May. so up Well, hold on. In the MCU, it's different because his origin story's different. That's why they have to do it differently there. And that's why it eventually shows up fully formed in No Way Home, because that's when it
Sony's Standalone Spider-Man Ambitions
00:20:13
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happens. That's and bra what he gets the phrase. um Sony's different. Sony's doing it. that We have to twist it so we're not the same, and we don't... We're not technically doing the thing that could get us sued, but like... How how would they get? How would it get them sued? That's the thing. It's that they own the rights to it like it's their thing. They have a contract with yeah with Disney. So here's the thing. I think the reason that they make all of these not Spider-Man movies, but always sort of allude to Spider-Man in some way is because they think that if they make one of these good enough
00:20:54
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that they don't have to have a contract with Disney to make money off of Spider-Man. As soon as that's over, they get him back and they start putting Spider-Man in their movies. They just have to make one good enough first. And then they're trying to strong arm them into doing that by throwing Vulture into the end of Morbius. Yes, Venom in the No Way Home. Yeah, Venom in the No Way Home by having- For no fucking reason.
00:21:17
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which Which I mean, you know, Feige's immediately like, yeah, fuck that. Get that guy out of here. Send him back to his own universe. Fuck you. We'll keep a little bit of symbiote just in case I'll throw you a bone, but get him the fuck out of here. there is't There's an interview when Venom was coming out back in 2018 with Amy Pascal and Kevin Feige talking about Venom and Amy Pascal's like, oh yeah, like would they all share the same universe and you're going to see like Spider-Man pop up in Venom movies and Feige's just like, ah no, you're not. Like he just the look on his face is like, just that's not gonna happen. And like, they it's it's pretty clear they wanted there to be a Tom Holland cameo in this movie. Like they've been, Sony really wants to try to get Tom Holland in these movies, but I think two things happen. One, Feige and Holland both have to sign off on it, and neither one of them wants that to happen. Like Holland doesn't want it, and Feige definitely doesn't want it.
00:22:21
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When they set up, the if if we were going to choose one of the Spider-Men, ah between tom hol and Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield, and Tobey Maguire, the fact that this movie is set in 2003, it would be the Tom Holland one.
00:22:40
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So it makes sense the the time that this was set like they're they're setting this shit up for Tom Holland. They're trying to make a movie so good that they can get him to come be in their Spider-Man thing. They can get that back from Disney because that you remember a couple of times that contract has expired and they've had to renegotiate it. And we almost lost our boy. Yeah, so they make they make a non-Spider-Man Spider-Man movie good enough. Soon as that contract's over, snatching that motherfucker right back. So if this was the one, it would be Tom Holland.
00:23:09
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But here's the thing, that's not going to happen because Sony doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. No. Well, yeah, that's the thing. they What I love look in in an alternate universe where these movies are great and we get a sinister six movie with Tom Holland, Spider-Man, I'd shit my pants with excitement.
00:23:28
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But that's not going to happen. That's what they want to happen. It's not going to happen. They've been angling for that for years. Like that there was supposed to be that was supposed to be a Garfield one. Right. One of the follow ups to the second Andrew Garfield when they first decided, hey, we want to do what Marvel's doing and we want to have our own Spider-Man like universe. And they've done that, except they've done it without Spider-Man. And the thing I've as these movies keep coming out, it becomes more and more clear that without Spider-Man,
00:23:59
Speaker
um The villains are kind of pointless. It's crazy. Spider-Man villains without Spider-Man. That's crazy. Right? they They don't work with us, Spider-Man. That's fucking crazy. du and And yet, DC has managed to put out at least two,
Are Superhero Films Oscar-Worthy?
00:24:15
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well, I would say one, incredibly successful Batman villain movie without fucking Batman.
00:24:22
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I was just about to say, and he's just like, you know, he's like a Joker movie without Batman, wild. Bruce Wayne is in that movie. It's so bad. Batman is not. I don't care what anybody says. Both Joker movies are caught garbage. The first, i i I will not watch the second one. I don't care. But the first one, I agree. Absolutely terrible. The fact that that was nominated for a Best Picture is laughable. The fact that that is the movie that Joaquin Phoenix has his Oscar for is absurd.
00:24:51
Speaker
ridiculous And I do not I do like do say what you will Joker sucks, but it feels like that that movie was very successful and made a lot of money. We can't argue that like Oscar like Joker being nominated for Oscars feels like Lord of the Rings like throw the nerds a bone like i don't really yeah but lord of the rings i feel like as much as i don't like those movies those are oscar worthy films well sure i would agree with you even though i don't like lord of the rings either but i would agree with you but like it this is the academy we're talking about i feel like throw the nerds a bone is really what that feels like like
00:25:28
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They probably didn't really think they were Oscar worthy films, but they were interested in throwing the nerds a bone, then Dark Knight would have been nominated. and Iron Man would have been nominated. Well, that was before that was that was the before times, right? That was a long, long ago.
00:25:43
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Yeah, but you know what came you know what came out before both Iron Man and The Dark Knight? All three Lord of the Rings movies, and each one of those got nominated for Best Picture in a field of five. Well, yeah, but but but then you switch over to the superhero side of things. That's what I mean. Like the superhero side of things, the Academy, hadn't had they could keep ignoring superheroes for a little bit longer when those came out. and ah Sure. I feel like so few of those have been worthy of the nomination. I think Dark Knight probably yes.
00:26:12
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Absolutely. Black Panther got nominated and that felt like a a bit of a coup. I liked both of those movies, but ah they're not not Oscar worthy, really. Dark Knight feels like it is, but I don't know if I'd agree with Black Panther.
00:26:28
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um But then you, and I would say Black Panther, one of the better Marvel films, in my opinion, honestly. But also, I'm not a good judge and I hate the Academy Awards, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Sure. At least a grain, maybe maybe a half a salt like, who knows. so um But and yeah all that to say,
00:26:49
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There was a time in the early aughts when superhero movies were gaining traction and gaining steam where they were just, I mean, it was Pablum. It was shit for baby nerds, like nerd baby funny book movies. And then I think 2008 is your turning point. You get your Iron Man, you get your Dark Knight, people are sitting up going,
00:27:08
Speaker
these things can be taken seriously we get one of the we get the single largest franchise in film history launched in 2008 and we get Christopher Nolan kind of doing the opposite side of things going we could just make these into really like good movies and i think we're back at a point now where by and large we're just churning this shit out to churn it out like even some of the marvel shit feels very half baked like Um, like quantum mania. I know you guys love quantum mania, but like, I can't get into Agatha all along. Excuse me. I just took a shot and I'm coughing. I apologize. Tucker, Tucker loves quantum mania then. I did. I like liked it. I liked it. I wouldn't say I loved it, but I, I thought it was pretty good. I can't, is Agatha all along good? I can't tell. I got through three episodes and I just don't really care. good
00:28:02
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Okay, I'll keep going with it if you say it's worth it. We do. Yeah. And I mean, Stephen's over there shrugging. He doesn't give a shit. We understand. And it's just there's too much of this shit now. I can't I can barely commit the time to do the stuff I want to do. Spoilers, they kill off Kitty Foreman in the second episode. So there's automatically a strike against you. I mean, yeah like she was fantastic. I loved her as the kind of fish out of water of the group. Well, you why do you kill the best character off immediately?
00:28:31
Speaker
Well, there's a reason for that. Get to the end of the series and you'll find out. OK, I will continue, Brett. I will because you say I trust your judgment and I do want to. It's it's like when you're buying comic books as a kid, like some of them aren't great and you're not having a good time reading them. But you you need to have that knowledge to move on. Right. Yeah, so that's why i I I like Marvel stuff. There's not really a lot of it that I hate outside of um That secret invasion, is that what it was called? Everybody hates secret invasion. okay say That one is awful. That wasn't even half baked. That was like a third baked. Right. And then they just threw it in trash. I haven't had issues with anything else, really, but I don't dislike Agatha all along. I just kind of I just kind of got bored. Got three episodes in and I was like, ah and I just kind of forgot about it.
00:29:28
Speaker
I mean, it is kind of it it is a similar formula, the first three episodes, and then then it starts to change a little bit. It's a little different. Things start to happen. Things are introduced. People become things that you may have predicted they become, etc, etc.
00:29:44
Speaker
um Yeah, no, this is very good and I I would agree that Marvel was definitely in a slump after in-game They didn't know what to do with themselves it they've they have felt consistently rudderless I would say so but you guys maybe werewolf by night though we I mean, there were there were bright spots. Sure. me i' in the slump I mean, multiverse of madness, for example. Oh, yeah. It was a bright spot. in islam So, like, yeah, it's it's it's on an upturn where like they finally got their shit together with their TV series. They're like, OK, we're not just going to pump these out. We're going to have a show runner. We're going to do the shit correctly.
00:30:23
Speaker
We're not going to treat it like an afterthought. and i mean they're They're only releasing one or two movies every couple years instead of two every year. They've they've course corrected. they and they They're fixing it. I i hope that's true. and i I would like to see them like figure that shit out, but there's a part of me that's wondering maybe at at this point, maybe it's a little too late. Who's to say?
00:30:52
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um I mean, as as a fan, I would say it isn't. Sure. You're also saying that from the point of view of someone who's over it. I'm so tired, Brett. I'm so tired.
00:31:03
Speaker
Like I kept up with this shit for years and I'm just so exhausted by it now. It's it's the age old argument here of like, well, that's how comic book work too. like Like I was saying, yeah. yeah and But here's the thing, sometimes you can put down a run and just be done that's with it. you can you know Yeah, absolutely. But with comic books, you can't put down a run you didn't like and go, man, all this is shit now. What are they thinking?
00:31:28
Speaker
But you can't do that. That doesn't work. I mean, you can you can look at and there have been times where like the DC implosion in the 70s, where like you they're putting out like tons and tons and tons of books. And they're just by and large, not very good. Like there's, ah again, a few bright spots. But by and large, it's it's not good. And and so they cancel like over half of their their their monthly titles i'm glad you said the 70s because uh you had to specify which year that happened because that's not the only time that's happened no i mean the new 52 it happened again there too where they just put out a bunch of shit and i tried to get in into new 52 i'm very familiar with the new 52 and how much that failed yeah and i there're there're they're they're they and again comics is is cyclical cyclical in that way like
00:32:17
Speaker
there's There's always going to be shit like that happening in comics, and some of it will work and some of it won't. and but you know it So much of it is about gimmicks, and that has, I think, kind of pervaded the movies a little bit, to the point where you're you're kind of looking for these gimmicky things.
00:32:35
Speaker
and It's something that I've harkened back to a lot. The truer it is to the spirit of the book, the better a sale it'll be. And I think that's why so many of these Sony titles have failed, is they're kind of working off the lessons from the early aughts. These feel like early aughts superhero movies.
Cyclical Storytelling in Comics and Films
00:32:59
Speaker
ah in a way, where they don't have that like, adherence to the to the books themselves, they're, they're riffing too much, and they're throwing as much stuff in as they can, just to try to see what'll stick. And that that's not a recipe for success when it comes to this kind of movie and this kind of storytelling. It wasn't then and it certainly isn't now. Because we have something to compare it to now. Exactly.
00:33:26
Speaker
I mean, we always did. We could always compare it to the books. And I mean, there were always still the early bright spots of He Who Must Not Be Named X-Men, Sam Raimi, Spider-Man. Like you still, even in the early aughts, you had your bright spots. I'm with you, fellers. So, thanks, sucker. Always appreciated. Oh, brother, we're at the reference. yeah ah So, Brett, you saw this movie in theaters earlier this year when it first came out. Tell tell us about that.
00:33:56
Speaker
I mean, it was, it was my dad and I's tradition. The opening weekend of a Marvel movie, we would go see it, regardless of what it was. Um, so we were there opening weekend to check out Madam Web before all of the, you know, word of mouth got out. When in fresh. When mostly, yeah. I mean, word of mouth has started. So I was maybe like, maybe a little aware. People had seen the trailer.
00:34:24
Speaker
Yeah, which I mean, oh what is that trailer? That's not this movie at all. I don't really trust. like I think that has a lot to do with people's enjoyment of it, too. It's like I never saw the trailer. I mean, I've grown to hate trailers because trailers nowadays just show you the whole fucking movie until I watched this movie. I was like, that's that. I mean, the movie is not good either, but that's not like that. That's not this movie. What is what is this? What is this? But and also, yeah, sometimes trailers just straight up lie to you.
00:34:55
Speaker
Ah, it was all the costume stuff. The whole trailer was, how it was just the 20 seconds. Yeah. Trailers are not what they used to be, man. yeah, no. I mean, I that came out of it <unk>m pretty shocked. um Because i'm I'm very much on record as saying how much I shut my brain off at movies and I don't really try to think too hard about them. I just kind of like to look at the pretty pictures and look at the cool references. Oh, they're talking about Spider-Man. Yay. I know that guy. He's great. I love Spider-Man. I know that guy.
00:35:38
Speaker
but But the difference is i will if it is that bad, it it'll it'll worm its way into my shut off brain and go, wait a minute. We're not watching something we should be liking. Right. Whereas my dad actually is that guy. My dad is the yay, Spider-Man, and like didn't really have any problems with it. Am I going to go see this? Should your dad and I watch this together, Brett? Maybe. Maybe you should. hi You don't know me, but we've got to watch this movie together. Clear your calendar.
00:36:08
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, he thought it was fine. But you know, he's not critical of much. So maybe I get from him a little bit. yeah So I mean, yeah, yeah, no, I yeah
00:36:27
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I mean, there was definitely a lot of things that I didn't notice until after the fact. There is still that, you know, the general bread of it all, like the stuff that you have that people have to point out to me because I didn't think about it at the time. It's the gift that keeps giving, Brett. You watch a movie and you get a certain amount of enjoyment out of it. And then you watch the ending explained videos and you're like, oh, I'm getting more enjoyment out of this film, even after I've finished watching it.
00:36:55
Speaker
Or in this in the in this movie's case, the opposite, where it's like, oh, I get to hate it more. How much and what's more? I hate it. content based on this film. So you're getting something out of it. Sure. But like, for example, how time does it make any sense in this movie? It really doesn't really doesn't percent. I stopped worrying about time after about an hour. And I was like, yeah, I'm just not going to think about that anymore if I want to have a good time. And see, that was after an hour of this movie. Time was all I could think about. Like I've wasted an hour of my life on this movie.
00:37:28
Speaker
Oh, the whole diner scene and her getting there. That's that's the most egregious time discrepancy thing. God. Yes. Yeah. Time that she teleports to the diner. No, she walks there so quickly, but it takes her so long to drive. Right. Right. And before it before you realize that she's going to come and hit him, which is like up until the point where he she comes through the diner and hits him. Right.
00:37:55
Speaker
you're like really cuz I think that out a mile away like like ah like this is the end of the movie right here like he she's not gonna get there because what back roads is she taken that's taking her like 20 times the time it took her to take three steps from where they were in the woods to the diner I The absurdity of it all is almost admirable. I knew that couldn't be the end of the movie because they hadn't had a Pepsi product placement big enough yet. What? She has the can at the beginning. I mean, oh, there's so many cans of Pepsi. But yeah, that sign at the end, fucking huge. I thought the sign was cool. And it was so stupid. It was so stupid that this dude is so powerful.
00:38:47
Speaker
So powerful. Like you see in the visions like that she got before she changed things, how easily he just breaks those girls every time, every time.
Podcast Format and Chaos: A Meta Discussion
00:39:00
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And, uh, homegirl is just like, oh, JK and pushes him in front of his side. And that's almost as if the logic in this movie doesn't make any sense. Right. That's what I'm saying. The absurdity is almost admirable. Is it though? There should be an award for it.
00:39:17
Speaker
But not like a raspberry where you're punching down, but being like, you guys, ah you might've done it on accident, but this is the most absurd, absurd thing I've ever seen. This is your award. Here is your trade. I was going to say, you you do not have to hand it to them. I'll just, I'll just come out and say, you do not in fact have to hand it to them. oh You can get a vision of you handing it to them. Right.
00:39:43
Speaker
And then decide not to at the last minute. Change that future and decide not to. Right. There it is. Wow. Oh, you know what I want to do? I want to start my own award show called The Absurdies, and um it'll just be movies. We're not going to think about their quality, but how absurd can they get without losing the standard viewer?
00:40:13
Speaker
That's what we're going. That's what we're I guess it would be without losing me. Because they're my I'm the Academy. I'm the Academy in this one. Yeah, if you had your own award show, Tucker, it is pretty tight with sweep every year. I hate that movie came out decades ago, but it's still winning these awards. It would be getting it would be getting lifetime achievement awards every year. And like um we'd have new awards.
00:40:42
Speaker
Like when that now they have the Dr. Dre award, like at the the Grammys and shit, it would be like that. We'd have the Pootie Tang award. Plus, I'd make up some new award every year for Pootie Tang to get. But outside of So Costas Award. Yes. Fred, you brilliant son of a bitch.
00:41:07
Speaker
Yes. That'd be the best sports movie of the year. We get the Bob Costas Award. Uh, no, but yeah, that would be cool. I could do that, but no, the rest would be, it would have to be from that year. It would be ah an annual show. I mean, Pootie Tang would always play a part in it, but everything else would be current.
00:41:28
Speaker
Was it a 12 month range? Yeah. Okay. Dudes. Yeah. Dudes. Make that happen. Do you want to, do you want to know my history with this movie? Sure. Oh yeah. We're 40 minutes in. Let's get back to the format. I feel like we're kind of doing it backwards.
00:41:50
Speaker
We've been doing that a lot lately. I'm not going to lie. And I think maybe it's not backwards anymore. Maybe we embrace the change. Maybe we just like barf out all of our deepest, most intimate thoughts for an hour and then, you know, do the legwork, go through the routine. We had so much to say about this movie in particular that we couldn't stop ourselves. You know, good or bad, there's so much to say about this movie. Right.
00:42:17
Speaker
So much to say. We're like tripping over each other trying to like get all of our thoughts out. Right. Yes. Look, ah you guys, I have a lot of time and I don't like to really do this anymore because of the time thing. And this one's going to take a lot of effort. But ah when people hear this. Oh, I can't believe I'm committing to this. When people hear this. Fuck. Oh, I hate my integrity. Whatever it is, you don't have to.
00:42:47
Speaker
No, I have to now there. I've made a pact with myself. Not one time will you hear us talk over each other. You mad, man. You crazy son of a bitch. Why would you do that to yourself? At this point, while I'm editing Future Tukey, man, don't I suck? Don't you hate me? Don't you fucking hate me right now?
00:43:10
Speaker
Oh, I suck. I mean, I'm in the Amazon. Hey, Future Tooki, I'm in the Amazon with your mother. Then you insult him. What the hell? Fuck that guy, man. That's what we call salt in the wound, just rubbing it in there. Oh, guys, ah but who are we kidding? I exist outside of space and time. It doesn't matter. I've already experienced that.
00:43:35
Speaker
That's true. if You do slip timelines all the time. So my my history with this film, let me tell you you guys, never saw it. Never had a new desire to see it completely. Like I knew it existed because it was a whole thing. You know, I give two fucks about this. book I could man like I'd rather step in a pile of dog shit than watch this movie. Like because at least then, like I'd have to focus it with the hose and get it off my shoe and like, actually, I'm i'm accomplishing something.
00:44:04
Speaker
But I had no desire to watch this, but I watched it tonight. I finished it about a half an hour before we started recording this and how that worked for you. It was all right. I thought it was a neat little TV movie. Like I said, it was a neat little TV movie that cost 80 million dollars. bar
00:44:27
Speaker
yeah Steven, what's your history with this movie? I wonder. ah I saw the trailers and determined that this is probably going to be a real bad movie. And then I put it on the list because I knew pretty much instantly this was going to be like this was an interesting year because there were two movies that I had on the list while they were still in theaters. This and the movie were covering at the end of the year for our year end.
00:44:55
Speaker
um Like I pretty much knew those were going to be our um those were going to be movies that we would end up covering on this podcast. And um so I knew I'd have to cover it at some point. And then we determined that whenever Craven came out, we were just going to cover Madam Web. And I said, Oof, and we did it. And um here we are talking, talking Madam Web. So I knew I was going to have to see it eventually. And it turns out I was right. We did. And I did. So I watched the movie.
00:45:25
Speaker
And, um, yeah, I did not, I did not have the fun time with it that you did. It's too bad. I do. I like, I understand your reasons, but, uh, I do, I do wish that you could have experienced the joy I experienced. Uh, Hey Brett, are you there? Brett? No, he's not. He's, he's yellow. Okay. Yeah. He's, he said it's trying to reconnect him. Okay. Five minutes later. So Brett, Oh.
00:45:55
Speaker
hello Hey, how ay I'm on, I'm on my phone app. I'm on the app. That's so cool. Yeah, I probably sound like shit. So it look, I can understand what you're saying. Yeah, we've at least got that going for us, which is nice. so That's, um that's fine. Yeah.
00:46:18
Speaker
yeah is it do you want to clean up this audio after the fact because i can we can keep knowing No, no, I'm look I'm gonna spend a lot of time on this episode anyway, so I'll It'll it'll work. I'm just saying if you listen to one disenfranchised episode this year make this the one Cuz your boys gonna make this shit sound good like you were here and you know how much we've been talking all over each other boy let me tell you what oh boy I'm gonna spend two days I'm gonna work on this like I'm getting paid is what I'm saying all right so anyway Steven with that being said ah I figure we should I think we should do the plot in 60 seconds
00:47:07
Speaker
All right, well, for the uninitiated, the plot in 60 seconds is the part of the show where we, your intrepid hosts, recount the plot of the film we're discussing. In this case, 2024 is Madame Web in 60 seconds or less at the behest of the D6 of Destiny. This little item that I hold in my hand, this relic of disenfranchised lore,
00:47:29
Speaker
Uh, I have, uh, sides one and two, Brett has sides three and four and Tucker has sides five and six. I'm going to roll the D six and we're going to see who among us will be recounting the plot today. And that is a six, which means you guys Tucker, you guys, that's me. That's you. This is the first time the D six has chosen you. Is it not? I i mean,
00:47:57
Speaker
I feel like I've done a plot with all three of us. I don't remember which one. Maybe Brett's the one who hasn't been picked by the D6 yet. No, I have. It's rare. It does happen. It's usually me. And quite frankly, I'm just happy that it's not me. So I'm going to go ahead and put 60 seconds on the clock today.
Madam Web Plot Summary Challenge
00:48:20
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Dude, yeah.
00:48:21
Speaker
And Tucker, I will give you the 30 and 10 second warnings and the time starts whenever you do. ah So there's this lady and she's a straight up EMT and her partner is ah Ben Parker, like that Ben Parker. And she gets in a little accident and comes back to life. And then, but like before that, she starts to see the future a little bit.
00:48:50
Speaker
But not like really. And then she sees Mike Epps die and then he does die. And that's sad because I love Mike Epps. And then she gets on the train and there's these girls and she's like, what the fuck? And then she saves the girls. And then she does that about four more times until the end where the guy was chasing them. He gets squished with a Pepsi sign. And the reason he was trying to get them is because eventually they had killed him.
00:49:21
Speaker
And oh, that sucked for him. He was not into that. So he had killed them, but they a killed him instead. So it all worked out. And now we're all. And that's the end. That was good. That's something. All right. That's good. Hey, look, it's Brett. I'm back. He's back, baby. Press back.
00:49:44
Speaker
Yay, three different bits of audio I have to put together and make Sal the same. I mean, I didn't say much during my terrible audio time. know It was mostly us because we echoed through yours.
00:49:58
Speaker
so But you know what makes that easy is like the waveforms. I can see what's like an echo and like what's you talking and I'll just cut that. I don't care how shitty it sounds. I'm just going to cut it all out until you speak. It's going to be fantastic. You guys are going to love it. Best episode ever. This is the watch. Adam Webb, baby. This is my demo reel. This is my um my portfolio for when I go to become a ah podcast editor.
00:50:31
Speaker
on the side when you choose to abandon us to become a podcast editor. I would never. I would never. You guys come first.
00:50:44
Speaker
Much love. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. We sure do. Anyway, Adam Webb.
Success of Spider-Verse vs. Sony's Struggles
00:50:53
Speaker
Oh, man, this this movie sucked out loud. I'm sorry. Not a wolf. I oof. Big damn oof.
00:51:02
Speaker
Just something we didn't acknowledge when we were ranting about all the stuff at the beginning is we didn't even, I tangentially mentioned it, but we didn't really talk about the Spider-Verse movies that are actually good and made by Sony. Legit, great, yeah. um But I would say that's because Sony has actually hired competent filmmakers to put those together, as opposed to what it's doing with this section of its universe, which is just like holding out for Marvel to like come to their senses and realize they need us when Marvel definitely doesn't need you, Sony, like get over yourselves. these Here's the difference. I think Sony sees the animation as a lesser art and that its appeal is not as broad so they don't care about it as much. So they're not meddling in it as much.
00:51:55
Speaker
And that's why the Spider-Verse movies are good because they don't they don't they make a lot of money for them. but They don't care about them. That's not what they want. They're they they love making that money. They want to they want to live action. Spider-Man something that does that. And that's why even though the first one hit and they're making the other two in the second one hit, they still they're not like in that shit. So he's like, whatever, do it it. Make us another hundred million dollars. I don't care if we're doing this. Shut up.
00:52:22
Speaker
Right. You know, they're they're making it happen in the animation. It's compared to doing that in live action is relatively cheap. So the return on something like ah either of those Spider-Verse movies is going to be, I feel like, so much more.
00:52:38
Speaker
It's a good point, I think. Yeah. Especially considering how long it takes them to make a Spider-Verse movie. right I wish they'd hurry up on the third one because I wouldn't have seen the second one if I had known how much of a cliffhanger it ended on. I'm still mad about that. Still. Take your time, Sony. Make the best movie you can. 2026. I wake up sometimes thinking about how much I hate the ending of that movie. Just like sweating. Angry.
00:53:08
Speaker
That was my birthday movie last year, and I would say it's a well good movie. So good. Loved it. Just
Diving into Spider-Man Video Games
00:53:14
Speaker
like the first one. So good. But how are you going? How are you going to how are you going to give me cinematic blue balls like that? Spider-Verse? How are you going to do that? You got I was there. I was ready. Like I was about to pop cinematically.
00:53:30
Speaker
Yeah, cinematically. Right. frantically checking your watch like, wait a minute, we we don't have enough time. What? what Well, ah no oh it all happens so quickly. I don't check my watch because it doesn't seem like an ending. I'm not looking at that. I'm not thinking about that. And they get to this climax. where It's like, oh, shit. Oh, fuck. It's all about the pop up credits. I should mention a friend of the podcast, Brock Boyce, worked on Beyond the Spider-Verse, so I'm glad.
00:54:03
Speaker
Fantastic. That's we're across the spider. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. We're going to we're going to have him on the podcast at some point, probably to talk about the Peanuts movie, a movie he also worked on. Let's do a movie about someone who plays piano. Schroeder ah plays piano in the Peanuts movie. But, yeah, the one movie, the one movie, Steven Peanuts movie. Oh, peanuts. OK.
00:54:29
Speaker
More Annunciation is helpful when you're saying that word. No, no, less Annunciation. I mean, yeah, dial it one way or the other. Don't don't don't dial it in the middle. That's the problem. Oh, you guys, there's the perfect example, example of that in the South Park video game that I've been playing for the last week, but it's so.
00:54:53
Speaker
ah offensive it which which you cannot up video game fractured but whole ah the fractured but whole I can't even repeat it but it was so effective that it it worked on myself and Marv in the real world where someone is named something that sounds so much like a racial slur for this person so close
00:55:18
Speaker
that even Marv and I were like, wait, did you? OK, you said you didn't. All right. Because I know you're not racist, but it really sounded like they got us is what I'm saying. They got us. They fucking got us. But it would not dare would not dare. Maybe the mike's not on. But it's OK. No, that's not a sound clip that's going to exist of me. That's fair. That's totally fair. it's Similar to what they actually did in the show was token being named Tolkien. No, no, no. It's a superhero name for one of the characters. Sure. I mean, I so i assume we weren't talking about the same thing because token is not offensive. Right. So the cops are racist in South Park in that game.
00:56:10
Speaker
I did not finish the fractured butthole. I did finish the stick of truth. Yeah. Was the movement system too much for you being a non gamer? No, I ah there were a couple of parts that were just really tricky for me to get past. OK, the was it the the the spontaneous bootay that that level took me way longer than I expected to get. That took me two tries.
00:56:37
Speaker
It took me way more than the first one. I kind of I kind of figured out what I needed to do. It's. I don't know. Games like that are weird because you have to you have so many characters you can choose from and you have your party and you have to. Everybody kind of has to have good chemistry with their strengths and their weaknesses and.
00:57:01
Speaker
Sometimes I'm really good at that. And in South Park games, I'm pretty good at that, like picking my move set and having the right dudes with me for the right situations. Hell, I beat Morgan Freeman today, boys. And that was the hardest fight of the whole game. You can pick a fight with Morgan Freeman. That's yeah, I've heard that that's the that's the tough one.
00:57:22
Speaker
It's not even part of the story at all. Right. It doesn't. You don't get you get an achievement for beating him, but like nothing in the story changes. It's nothing. It means nothing like classic RPGs. He's this game's ultimate weapon. Yes. He's a secret. He's a secret hidden boss. Yeah. And it took me two times. But damn it, you guys. And an hour and a half that battle. The second time I tried it, when I beat him, it took an hour and a half for me to beat him.
00:57:50
Speaker
Yeah, it's like a Culex in Super Mario RPG. The the new Culex, the 3D Culex, the added fight they added to the remake took me about an hour. it was it's one well and It's perfect that you mentioned Super Mario RPG because it's one of those battles where like this whole game is for people who aren't into RPGs.
00:58:11
Speaker
It makes it simple so you can the perfect part so you could do it. And so if you're someone who I'm not an RPG expert, but I played RPGs, I understand them. And so I prefer something like the Stick of Truth or Fractured But Whole or Super Mario RPG, because it is a little, a little less complicated.
00:58:30
Speaker
You know, but then you get to the Morgan Freeman fight and you can't slack anymore. You have to use your healers. You have to use your protectors. You have to use everybody exactly how they need to be used. Or you're not getting past like half of that fight. You're dead in like 20 minutes. If you're doing it right.
00:58:52
Speaker
And me, the guy who's slacking the whole game. So I'm like, this is easy. Like but I barely had to think about this. and Morgan Freeman comes along. I'd take a break. I was like, all right, can strategize. And I spent about a half an hour getting my team together and getting my powers because in Fractured but a whole, you can after a certain point, you can change up your powers to different classes and which move could be a different class and everything. And so I was trying to get the perfect thing going and figure it out. And I did.
00:59:18
Speaker
and that final Morgan Freeman battle an hour and a half you guys between 6 o'clock and 7 30 this evening I was fighting Morgan Freeman which resulted in his defeat That's one of the most rewarding like video game experiences is when you do spend an hour you know just pumping your brain at full capacity, trying to manage everything for an hour straight because the worst feeling in the world is getting them almost dead and then you have a lapse in judgment and you die.
00:59:51
Speaker
That's that was my first try. He was three quarters the way done. And I fucked up. And then I realized where I had fucked up in the past. It's like, all right, I have to do two different things here to figure out how to do them differently. But that that feeling of victory after an hour of just hyper focus is one of the greatest video game feelings of all time. Yeah. Yeah. This has been a little trip over to Brett's video in corner.
01:00:20
Speaker
Yeah, didn't I tell you, Stephen? Did I tell you we were going to the video game corner? Look, it made me realize. Did I? And I'm not going to do this because it would be like a five hour long episode. But and oops, all video game corner on Spider-Man games. Oh, my God. You know what? If we could just if there were two games that we could all play. And then do one episode on it, and that would be the the two Sega Developed spider-man games the first one being spider-man versus the kingpin the amazing spider-man versus the kingpin for the Sega Genesis and Subsequently the Sega CD and though the graphic looks graphics look better. I preferred the Genesis soundtrack It was chaotic in a really great way um And the spider-man arcade game the one where you can play a spider-man Hawkeye Submariner or black cat?
01:01:19
Speaker
Those are the two I want to talk about. Those are the two. Are there better ones? Yes. I mean, yeah, the fact that you're leaving maximum carnage out of those two. Right? that's a different That's a different episode. That's the thing is we don't do this all in one episode. We take it in like little groups. No, no, no. That's just it. We do it all in one episode and it's a five hour
Madam Web's Box Office and Critic Reception
01:01:42
Speaker
long episode. Oh, no. i'd I'd fall asleep and cry at the same time.
01:01:46
Speaker
had I would too. Look, I love Spider-Man. I love Spider-Man video games. I play most of them. A lot, of yeah. the Like the original Spider-Man for Game Boy. Hook that shit into my veins. I was playing that 24 hours. If I wasn't playing Super Mario Land, I was playing Spider-Man on Game Boy. Animated series? No, just OG, original, the very first Game Boy Spider-Man game.
01:02:09
Speaker
With X-Men and arcades revenge. No, I know what you're talking about because the second one was a carnage game It was spider-man 2 and carnage was on the cover that I know what you're talking about. like Sorry Never beat it. I couldn't get past venom. He was like stage 3 stage 4 games back then yeah Yeah,
01:02:29
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um but yeah I just couldn't talk about him that much because there's also bad ones For for every one good one, there's like three bad ones. I believe that. I feel like I've I've played a lot more good Spider-Man games than bad ones. But there I mean, you've probably avoided the bad ones. No, it would have to be a Spider-Man focused game like it couldn't be like Ultimate Alliance or something like that. It wouldn't have to be.
01:03:03
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Now, where do we draw the line, though? Because then you have Spider-Man and X-Men in Arcade's Revenge, which is half a Spider-Man game. if if we If we took out all the games we used as part of the ensemble, then it's maybe a three-hour episode.
01:03:17
Speaker
That's yeah, I think that's what we'd want to do, though. I would include Spider-Man and X-Men. And, you know, I would not talk about every versus Capcom game these and I would we would spend a little time just talking about Spider-Man in those games. It's like a little. Yeah, dude. Good meeting you guys. Let's do that. Let's put this together. We're doing it. It's getting done. Mid episode video game corner planning meeting. Yeah, let's yeah see that. Hope you guys have enjoyed.
01:03:45
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Did you leave? Are you still listening? While we're over in the video game corner, I just wanted to real quick, before we leave, I wanted to as this tradition, I wanted to mention.
01:04:00
Speaker
Why? Give himself something that else to do in this episode. ah fuck Why would you do that? Because is why he would do that. Because I'm a bad dude, Brett. Why would you question that, Brett? Well, bad dude. Future Tucker is going to fucking hate you. Nah, I'm going to listen. I have to listen to this whole episode. There's no way I can skip through this at all. No. No way. Not happening. Too much. Too much finessing needs to be done for this one. I blame myself. Yeah. So do I. I had so do I. Steven, I'm so proud of you.
01:04:37
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I'm learning. Dab it. Dab it. Well, you guys, well we sure did. Boy, guys, we sure did. Straight up talk about Madam Web, huh? We, you know, we did. We talked about some Madam Web. It truly was a Madam Sweb. Maybe Madam Web was the friends we made along the way. It was, I think.
01:05:02
Speaker
I feel like the fact that everyone regrets this movie is a big um like black spot against it and probably why we won't see any more of them if even if the box office had not been terrible, which spoilers it was. It was. I did a breakdown of all of the ah Sony's Spider-Man universe, which is what they call this, despite the fact that it has no Spider-Man in it.
01:05:27
Speaker
um I did a breakdown of all the movies by budget, ah domestic gross, international gross, total gross, and then Rotten Tomato Metacritic and Letterbox scores. And I don't know if this is going to come as a surprise to you or not, but Madam Web scored the lowest across the board. Speaking of total gross, a. e e um It had the lowest domestic gross, the lowest international gross, the lowest total gross, and the lowest Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, and Letterboxd scores of all of these films, including more. I want you guys to know that I fought this movie, okay? Like, I wasn't just like, oh, everybody hates this movie. I'm gonna like it. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. No, I fought this movie tooth and nail the entire time, and I still had a good, I don't get it.
01:06:22
Speaker
I don't get it, like Morbius, I couldn't get to 20 minutes of, but like, i I was genuinely entertained by this film. Do I see its flaws? Absolutely, but I had a really good time. And it means to lovers. I don't get it. Was that what happened? I think that's it, yeah. I don't get it. Yeah, Tucker had a full on rom-com with Madam Web. I didn't hate it. I really didn't. I kind of liked it, is what I'm saying. Kind of liked it.
01:06:50
Speaker
You and Madam Web go like this, which is on brand for you. I mean, it's at the top of the episode. is I don't want to be a cliche. And yet here we are. But but yet here we are. Yeah. I fought this movie the entire time. And yet at the end, you and Madam Web are still doing this.
01:07:09
Speaker
ah yeah I'm smooshing my fingers together like they're kissing. For the listening listener. Now for the non-listening listener, here's something else. And now for something completely different. And now here's something we hope you'll really like. ah Turn down your ears where available.
01:07:34
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ah So speaking of, Madam Web had a gross budget of $100 million, dollars net budget of $80 million. It grossed $43.8 million domestic.
01:07:50
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And 56.5 international for a total worldwide gross of $100.3 million. Barely made profit, though. but I mean, in and that's, well, not counting, you know, like marketing and shit. Yeah. Oh, I thought you included the marketing in that earlier number. All right. Never mind.
01:08:11
Speaker
Statement retracted. Right. It's ah base. I mean, really, you want your domestic box office to overshadow your budget. um So when the when the domestic gross comes in under the budget, you're like, oh, this is bad. Usually that's that's the case. um It opened at number two the weekend of February 16th, 2024. This was a Valentine's Day movie. not two All right. Yeah.
01:08:39
Speaker
ah It opened right behind the Bob Marley movie appropriately titled one love because it opened at number one ah In in third place at the box office future episode of this podcast our guile That's a movie that's not getting the sequel ah In third or in fourth place you have migration Which is that movie about the family of like birds that are trying to fly south for the winter?
01:09:05
Speaker
Hey, you guys ever read that comic book about the lions that and it was the Iraq war and you guys ever read that? Mm hmm. Nope. You know what I'm talking about? Nope. I don't know why I brought that up. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Neither does anybody else is fine.
01:09:23
Speaker
ah In fifth place, something called the chosen season four episodes four through six. I don't know what the fact fuck this is, but it's a fathom events and apparently it opened at number five. It's probably an anime of some kind, I'd imagine. There you go. In sixth place, ah Wonka. In seventh, the beekeeper. What if there was a beekeeper? In eighth place, anyone but you.
01:09:49
Speaker
In ninth place, Lisa Frankenstein, which I maintain, was pretty damn fun. I liked that a lot. I would like a 4K of that. I'm still upset that nobody gave a shit about that movie. This is way better than anybody gave a cray for. I'm going to get a tattoo from that movie, not because I like the movie so much, but because I like the tattoo so much. Still, I want to get that 4K if it ever comes out in the US. And in tenth place, something called Land of Bad.
01:10:16
Speaker
ah Looks like it's got ah Liam Hemsworth and Luke Hemsworth and Russell c Crowe in it. Look, I hate to keep doing this, but Madam Web, talk about land of bad. OK. Number its number four this episode. ah You're a bad dude. Only one. Steven did one. I did the other three. Brett, this is this is why we need you here. More more frequently. I can't help it when they're right there. I do. And we love it when you do.
01:10:44
Speaker
Um, the, uh, Tomatometer score on this one is 11%. Uh, the critics consensus, Madam Webb's earnest approach to the title character's origin story has a certain appeal. Does it though? No, but it's predictable plot and uneven execution make for a forgettable superhero adventure. Hard agree. I don't know if it was a predictable plot. Could you even follow it to predict how it was going to end? The premise. And I liked that even though.
01:11:14
Speaker
The whole timing, the way time flowed when she was driving to that diner, as we were speaking of before. I love that she got stuck behind a log truck. Final destination. Because it's this is such kind of a final destination sort of thing. And I think maybe. That's why I kind of took a shine to it, because it does it.
01:11:43
Speaker
i think I think this movie should be smarter, but for me it doesn't have to be. It has to be about as smart as a cheap horror movie for this premise to work for me, and it does. But it's not that smart though, that's the problem. I think the premise is, I think the execution is stupid.
01:12:06
Speaker
But theyre the the balance is just enough to where that's very entertaining to me. yeah the The premise is good because Madam Web is a cool character. Dude, yeah. Yeah, dude.
01:12:18
Speaker
They just don't want any there to be any kind of consistency with how her powers work or anything else. Is it? But now, to be fair, the whole once they introduce the whole um deep Spider-Man lore into the comics, like Spider-Totem and Spider-Man are connected. Fuck all that shit. i don't I don't like any of that, but that's me. It got really fucking weird. there man Agreed. But Madame Web's still a cool character.
01:12:53
Speaker
Or Spider's Man. I have to mention Spider's Man real quick. You know who Spider's Man is? Is he a man made of a bunch of spiders? Yeah, in his universe, Peter Parker fell into a what is basically a vat of radioactive spiders. They devoured his body ah and and absorbed his consciousness. So it is a bunch of spiders that think they're Peter Parker. I mean, that's kind of the premise of Swamp Thing.
01:13:28
Speaker
That's amazing, though. It's like six million spiders in a trench coat. It really what is. The fact that they like they they have a collective consciousness that thinks it's Peter Parker. That's the fucking like that's the icing on the cake.
01:13:46
Speaker
Thank you for reminding me that Spider-Man exists. I had forgotten for a brief time. And now you've brought joy to me for weeks. I need Beyond the Spider-Verse to have a Spider-Man cameo. He needs to be in there. Last thing, he would have to have some kind of speaking line because you can't just have Spider-Man in the background somewhere because he just looks like Spider-Man. Right. You can't tell that he's made of spiders until he like talks.
01:14:10
Speaker
Or like spiders come out of him somehow. Do you hear that, Steve? And he's made a fucking spider. No, I got it. I got it. I'm I'm I'm along for the ride. I am in this conversation also, Tucker. and It's just so ridiculous. How? My cheeks hurt, you guys. We got to stop talking about spiders, man. Oh.
01:14:35
Speaker
Oh, anyway, Carrie, on what were you saying? I'm sorry. I was saying the meta score on this one is a 26 based on generally unfavorable reviews from 51 critics. And Tucker, care to take a stab at the letterbox score for Madam Web. So this one's tricky. It's tricky because um not only did people not like this movie,
01:15:03
Speaker
but it was a meme not to like this movie like talking shit about this movie was essentially a meme so that kind of kind of throws my letterbox radar off a little bit so oh gosh it's gotta to be i can't go sub two i'm gonna go sub two it's gonna be fuck a duck between 1.7 and 2.2. 1.5. I was right to go sub two. I was right to go sub two. I've never gone sub two before, so I would say 1.5, really? Yeah. Yeah. Average of 1.48 based on 347,547 ratings.
01:16:00
Speaker
I'd really like to check out the um the positive ratings. I had an idea. When I looked on IMDB at the reviews, I had an idea of where I would land on an IMDB score. And so I sorted it by them and people who gave that score, their review kind of summed up how I felt about the movie. When they were like, Oh, this is a neat, a neat little movie. Like this doesn't seem like a big budget movie. It seems like a TV movie. And for that it's fine, but it's not that. So it sucks. You know?
01:16:36
Speaker
mike Mike Flanagan's letterbox review is literally just the Nicole Kidman. We come to this place for magic. AMC speech.
01:16:46
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a Accurate. Yeah.
Madam Web: Opinions and Female Superhero Films
01:16:48
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One of one of our finest filmmakers, Mike Flanagan. That's it. Speaking of letterbox scores, ah Brett, out of five, how are you ranking? ah Twenty twenty four is Madam Web.
01:17:06
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Uh, I gave it a two because yay, Spider-Man.
01:17:14
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um Tucker, what about yourself? And Spider-Man. Um, so this, this is a tricky one for me because a three seems like too much, but a two and a half doesn't seem for the amount that I enjoyed this film.
01:17:36
Speaker
ah So can I do 2.75? Is that acceptable? Just this once. Okay. Letterbox doesn't do that. I'll say it for are you, Steven. Letterbox doesn't do that. It's going to throw off his numbers. Well, round me up then. To three. There it is. For the letterbox. Yeah. All right. And whereas i it's a one for me.
01:18:01
Speaker
That's fair. It's it's I mean, it's this this goes this is like Electra Catwoman levels of just bad female superhero. book And hey, maybe in like 20 years. Madam Web gets redeemed like Electra did. Maybe straight up, maybe. I think I think this is probably. One of the. Worst movies.
01:18:31
Speaker
that of all time, yeah, that I enjoy in a way that I do. i know You can't say that when something like food fighting, you've and seen movies, right? Like one or two movies. I try not to make a habit of it, let's be honest. That's why like with this movie, like for me, a a fair objective rating of this would be about a one point five or two.
01:19:00
Speaker
But- Yeah, I mean, same for me. A pure objective rating is probably a one, but- But I think this is- As previously mentioned, yay, Spider-Man. Spider-Man, this is, but I think this might be the worst movie that I don't like because it's bad. Like, I'm genuinely entertained by this film, and I don't know what's wrong with me. Rather go away. I fought it the whole time. And while the credits were rolling, I was like, well, fuck me if I didn't like that movie.
01:19:30
Speaker
boy did it suck but gd it i had a real good time i mean maybe you should rewatch it and revisit it because i mean like no when i first came out of if i want if i watch it again it'll be it'll be amazing spider-man 2 with andrew garfield and i don't ever want that to happen again it's like gossamer brad we mustn't dissect gossamer I loved Amazing Spider-Man 2 so much when I saw at the movie theater.
Movie Enjoyment: First Viewing vs. Rewatching
01:19:55
Speaker
I was like, oh, man, that was I mean, that it kind of sucked in a few places. But boy, that was a really fun experience. When's the next one come out? And then I bought it when it came out on Voodoo and I watched it and I was like, what is this steaming pile of shit? Mm hmm. What is that? That is that is the other side of the coin of what I will refer to as my condition. Like when I see a movie for the first time, my brain is shut off and I'm all about it.
01:20:19
Speaker
But like if I watch it again, which maybe this is why I don't go back and watch movies a whole lot. If I go back and watch it again, then I'm not along for the ride because I've been along for the ride already. So now now I'm being more critical because I'm watching it a second time. and You know what to expect. you you don't yeah Your expectations are going to be correct because you've seen it.
01:20:42
Speaker
Yeah. Take, for example, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, which I watched for a second time last night. Yeah, you texted us. Text the group chat about that. Yeah, a very funny sight gag that I'd missed the first time. Mm hmm. And yeah, I think my opinion of it got worse. Yeah, I look, I do have an urge to watch it again. And I said that on the episode two, I have an urge to watch it again. But like the more I've sat with it, the more I don't really want to.
01:21:12
Speaker
But I'm going to, I don't know, enough time has passed where I feel like I can come into it without expectations, but still relatively fresh on the nuances, you know? So if I'm ever going to like that movie, it's going to be the second time I watch it probably. So if I like Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, when I watch it on HBO Max, I'm never going to watch it again.
01:21:40
Speaker
I like to end on a high note. I like to retire on top, you know. Sure.
Podcast Wrap-Up and Listener Engagement
01:21:44
Speaker
As one should. Right. Yeah, I did it, you guys. We fucking did it. We did it as as we are want to do. How did he did we do it? He did it. It's been done. Straight up. All right. And that is our episode on 2024 is Madam Web. Her web truly did connect us all.
01:22:06
Speaker
um And yeah, we're the disenfranchised podcast. You can find us wherever you get your podcasts, which is probably where you're listening to us right now. And hey, while you're there, ah Why don't you go ahead and leave us a review, a five-star rating and review, please and thank you. It goes a long way to helping us find more listeners like yourself. Been a while since we've gotten a new review. Leave us one and we'll read it right here on the podcast. Oh, speaking of writing in, I did get a text earlier ah really from friend of the show, past and future guest, Hope Lichtner.
01:22:40
Speaker
Um, who, um, yeah, she's great. Um, right and, she said, uh, when, when she heard that we were, uh, doing madam web, uh, she decided to write in, she says, hi disenfranchised. Madam web was the central conceit of your show worth it.
01:23:00
Speaker
you go like We've already. We've already done that um active contrition. Am I using that right? um When we covered Food Fight. I mean, right. We are we already had our penance. We've already went through that. We've done self-flagellated all up in this bitch. We've already had the existential crisis of what are we doing in that way as years ago with Food Fight. So we're fine now. But i think I think Brett, you and I at least agree, this movie better than Food Fight.
01:23:32
Speaker
Yeah, of course. I don't think there's anything worse than food fight. So. right Yeah, and I don't want to find out if there is no. Frankly. And then she writes, P.S., what did you all think of Godzilla X Kong? A new empire? I quite enjoyed it. I thought it was very good. I have no interest in it. So unless I have to watch it for something, I probably will not watch it. I haven't seen it yet, but I plan to.
01:23:59
Speaker
I'm glad that it brings you joy, dear listener.
King Kong vs. Godzilla: Personal Preferences
01:24:02
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I truly am. yeah we We sat down and did a King Kong watch through. I might have talked about this on air. I don't know. I know I talked about it, but I don't know if it was on mic or off. Hard to tell these days. It is. I'm here so rarely. We don't really remember. But yeah, the girlfriend and I have a little poster of scratch off horror movies and the King Kong franchise, which is something I hate about this poster. It just gives you franchise and not a specific movie. but Don't you watch all of them? You watched the 70s ones too? Oh, those 70s ones. We decided to just pick a a like a batch of them. Do we do the 70s ones? Do we do the originals? Do we do
01:24:49
Speaker
Legendary Monsterverse, which is what we want. You picked Legendary, yeah. We're going with those, yeah. I mean, you got to watch the OG though. And of course, you know I'm a sucker for the Peter Jackson one as well.
01:25:02
Speaker
Yeah, which I'm not. And she's not a fan of black and white movies. And there's a dead life reference in it, though. God, I love that. That's the only thing I like about that movie, I think, was that they had a Sumerian rat monkey in a box. I mean, that's cool. That's the thing that made the people the zombies in the dead lives. I mean, that's that's cool. But the rest of that movie is actively boring and it has Jack Black in it.
01:25:27
Speaker
disagree that movie fucking rules um Go listen to our episode and you hear all um all of my opinions about it. Yeah, Brett and I Brett and I basically square off on that movie You don't step it up on each other Kind of looking up but the legendary I enjoy we didn't watch the Godzilla's Because she she was more interested in the Kong's I've seen the Godzilla's I'm more of a Godzilla fan She's more of a Kong fan King Kong is one of my favorite movie monsters Um, hey, and that first one for legendary was good with uh, you got really nice and it was a really fucking guy was Surprised how many brie larson? Yeah tom hiddleston tom hiddleston. Yeah, sam. Mel jackson The movie was really fucking good. Shay, uh, shay wigham Yeah, and yeah But uh now the the newest one new empire very good Very good. There you go. Enjoy
01:26:25
Speaker
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01:26:51
Speaker
ah We'll respond to those and you you have a it's your door to talk directly to us And then for five dollars a month you get access to all the behind the scenes content episodes of dis and five chised Including our recent ranking of all the Ghostbusters movies Unenfranchised you get oops all Christianity corner oops all video game corner And you get what are we watching episodes when we when we record those in fact? I think we're gonna be recording one later this week if I'm not mistaken Look, all we need to do is get back on track With them and then I don't think biweekly would be too much to ask for any of us. Honestly, And if we have to do with, uh, Brett seems to be the one who watches the less cause he seems to be doing a lot of work and stuff. So even if we could do two biweekly one with Brett per month, yeah that would be great.
01:27:51
Speaker
We just got to get caught up. And I think the idea I had earlier today is going to work. We just have to find the time to get it together. And finding the time is going to be the big challenge there. we just got it We have to clear those lists, gentlemen. We have to, because mine has grown to larger than the size it was. I watched more stuff between October and now than I did all summer. And I still haven't given my list from the summer. So I've got my list. And I've watched so much shit.
01:28:19
Speaker
I kind of feel bad for having my solo episode because I really thought that was going to work, but we ended up not being able to get together to do the stuff. So it didn't. Yeah, it's funny that Tucker was like, yeah, we'll do solo episodes. And then Tucker's like, solo episodes suck. I was like, says the only guy who's ever gotten one, but OK.
01:28:37
Speaker
It wasn't. I did not enjoy doing a solo episode. I would have rather had you guys say yours. But it was by the time I was done with mine, it was two hours. so I think we get back on track, we get clear our lists and get back on a schedule will be all right. And that's the plan stands. Stan, you'll stand. But yeah, and the then ah you can find us on social medias. We're at disenfranch pod in a lot of places, but not every place because fuck Twitter.
01:29:05
Speaker
um But yeah, come find us sometimes I'll update that shit um And yeah, you can find me your host Stephen Foxworthy on certain social media platforms at chewy walrus but Sometimes I update sometimes I don't most of the time. Hey guess what? I don't but you know, that's that's just the risk you take um Brett where can we find you these days on social medias? You're on what Instagram and blue sky in letterbox? Yeah letterbox too all right Let them know what platforms so they don't gotta go searching each and every one. Like, oh, is is he on Twitter? Nope. Is he on threads? No. maybe I mean, I am on threads. I just don't use threads. Well, as if you're on Instagram, you're on threads. I barely use Instagram though. Let's be honest. That's too bad. Cause that's where I'm most active.
01:29:52
Speaker
I know, we know you'll you'll get your turn, Tucker. But anyway, i'm I'm on Instagram and letterboxed and I've started using blue sky because it's not a terrible place. Blue ski? Blue ski is pretty good, man. Blue ski is coming around once ah once the the the melon burned Twitter to the ground. Everybody flocked over to blue ski and it's pretty good. It's a nice place.
01:30:22
Speaker
Feels like early days of Twitter. So that's good stuff. I saw some warlock on all of those places, by the way. So underscore warlock on the places that allow for underscores. Yes. And Tucker, hey, guess what? It's your turn. What about you, sir?
01:30:40
Speaker
Hi, it's me Tucker and you can find me on social media at and Instagram and on YouTube at ice 909. That's I C E and I N E the number zero and the number nine. Uh, also man, shit. I don't know. Straight up. Tuck mugs even exist anymore. Tuck underscore mugs. Nobody's sending me guest mugs. I can't seem to get my shit out. I don't know, man. Is it, is it over? Is Tuck mugs over? It might be.
01:31:10
Speaker
No, it's not over. Talk the mugs no more. you're No. You've got just a pile of mugs and a trash can and you're walking away from it in the alley. and Yes. Oh, bad. Spider-Man references. is Yay, Spider-Man. Find an artist to make that. Take money out of the Patreon fund and pay an artist to draw that.
01:31:38
Speaker
Please. We're not doing anything else. The Patriot money. Let's just get that drawn. I think it's worth it. I have a special folder on my computer of of drawings of me that have been done and released. Into the open, and that would go great in there.
01:31:59
Speaker
But no tuck mugs look no we're not shutting down. Okay tuck mug is still alive and well It's just you know we have We have an off-season basically and sometimes That occurs in the strangest times which like now because I'm not busy at all I'm Chilling most days in the last couple weeks just chillin So it doesn't make any sense that there's no Tuckmug stuff going on, but just just hold on, Tuckmuggers. ho Hold on for one more day.
01:32:44
Speaker
Things are going your way. I'll tell you my favorite riff on the Spider-Man No More thing is the one from Marvel Zombies, where it's literally just his skin hanging out of a trash can and a skeleton walking away. It's fucking great.
01:32:59
Speaker
Marvel zombies. That's so great. You guys, I used to have this really great shirt and it was the the cover that is parodying the the Hulk Wolverine cover where you see the Hulk in Wolverine's claws. Mm hmm. Man, that was a great shirt. You guys fit me so well. And it was one of those where it wasn't like an iron on. It was like a screen print where it was like part of the shirt. Like it wasn't on top of the shirt, it was in the shirt.
01:33:29
Speaker
Oh, such a good shirt, you guys. Sounds like a good shirt. Yeah, I had moths in my closet, though. Oh, that's not good. ended up No, that's never happened to me, but I'm just realizing at 42 years old that that's what mothballs are for. I knew that mothballs existed and I knew that people used to get pit like little holes in their clothes when they stored them for long periods of time because moths would nest or whatever. Mm hmm. I never put those two things together until about a week ago. That's a cool story, bro.
01:34:00
Speaker
Thank you. Wow. and indeed tubooks coming Wow Why won't we watch out? You better not cry. I'm crying. OK. Better not. Better not powered either. No, you better not.
01:34:19
Speaker
Do it, see what happens. We're not gonna tell you why. You're trying to figure it the fuck out. Tuck mugs, send me guest mugs. It may or may not have something to do with the Krampus. Everybody send me a Christmas guest mug and we'll have ah a purge, a straight up, a great ah great mass posting on the tuck mugs of guest mugs. Send them all to me in one day, December 12th.
01:34:47
Speaker
That's that that's before this. That's before this but episode airs. for yeah Well, look, it's Madam Web, dude. I'm like looking into the future and shit and like changing it somehow, but then like taking longer to do it than it took to happen when I saw it. So like, I don't know what the fuck is going on. see I was going to make a control reference. Like, you know, you' you're the daughter Jackson. Yeah, this is. holy When you find a document that talks about the hiss before she actually names them, the hiss, it's the whole like, yeah, it's the whole thing. Well, the board is always listening. That's true.
Conclusion: A Humorous Spider Remark
01:35:21
Speaker
They're right there at the tip of the board is always. And that is our episode on twenty twenty four is Madam Web for my co-hosts, Brett Wright and Tucker. I'm Stephen Foxworthy. Until next time, we'll be in the Amazon with your mom researching spiders.
01:35:41
Speaker
Yay, Spider-Man!